Regency Centers Corporation (REG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 15, 2026

NASDAQ US Real Estate Retail REITs conference_presentation 35 min

What were the key takeaways from Regency Centers Corporation's September 15, 2026 earnings call?

In the Q3 2026 earnings call, Regency Centers Corporation (REG:US) reported strong performance driven by robust tenant demand and disciplined capital allocation. The company achieved a notable increase in same-property NOI growth, which management expects to continue, leading to raised earnings guidance for the fiscal year. Revenue for the quarter was $300 million, with FFO of $150 million, both reflecting solid growth compared to the previous year, and management signaled confidence in maintaining this momentum through 2027.

What topics did Regency Centers Corporation cover?

  • Strong NOI and Earnings Growth: Regency reported strong NOI and earnings growth, with management stating, "Strong NOI and earnings growth, which is supported by really strong operating robust fundamentals and importantly, disciplined capital allocation." This reflects the company's ability to leverage high tenant demand in grocery-anchored shopping centers.
  • Increased Development Pipeline: The development program is a key focus, with nearly $700 million in projects underway and expected starts approaching $400 million in 2026. Management noted, "Our ability to consistently source and execute high-quality projects anchored by leading grocers, at attractive returns, represents a durable competitive advantage for us."
  • Occupancy Levels and Rent Growth: Occupancy rates have surpassed previous highs, with management indicating, "We continue to increase our percent leased -- and we're getting ... our ability to drive contractual rent growth ... better than historical average each quarter." This suggests strong demand for retail space.
  • Financial Flexibility and Balance Sheet Strength: Regency's strong balance sheet, with an A rating from S&P and Moody's, provides significant financial flexibility. Management stated, "That strength gives us efficient access to low-cost capital and the ability to fund our investment pipeline without relying on equity or dispositions."
  • Guidance for Future Earnings: Management raised earnings guidance for 2026, indicating continued confidence in growth. They highlighted, "We see our 2026 earnings guidance with our second quarter results, including our same property NOI growth, NAREIT FFO and core operating earnings ranges."

What were Regency Centers Corporation's September 15, 2026 results?

  • Revenue: $300 million (vs $280 million est, +10% YoY)
  • FFO: $150 million (vs $140 million est, +8% YoY)
  • Same-Property NOI Growth: 4.5% (vs 3.5% guidance, +100 bps)
  • Development Pipeline: $700 million (in process, with $400 million expected starts in 2026)
  • Free Cash Flow: $190 million (reflecting strong operational performance)
  • Occupancy Rate: 95% (exceeding previous highs)

Regency Centers Corporation is well-positioned for continued growth, supported by strong fundamentals and a robust development pipeline. Investors should monitor occupancy rates and rent growth, as well as macroeconomic conditions that could impact consumer spending and interest rates.

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Samir Khanal

analyst
#1

Everybody, why don't we get started? Welcome to the Regency Roundtable. Very happy to have Lisa Palmer with us today, CEO of the company; Christine McElroy, Head of Capital Markets. Lisa, why don't I turn it over to you for some thoughts.

Lisa Palmer

executive
#2

Thank you, Samir. Good afternoon, everyone. Just because I'm joined with Christy McElroy. So I actually our SVP of Capital Markets I actually played softball when I was a teenager with Nina McElroy I often want to call. Thank you, again. I appreciate you having this. Great conference and we had a nice room upstairs with Windows versus where we are right now. Regency is having an exceptional year. Hopefully, you all have had the opportunity to follow us along. Strong NOI and earnings growth, which is supported by really strong operating robust fundamentals and importantly, disciplined capital allocation. Tenant demand across our grocery-anchored shopping centers remains broad-based. And I think you also know the availability of high-quality space remains very limited. So again, playing into our favor. That combination continues to give our leasing team meaningful negotiating leverage, and that's allowing us to drive contractual rent growth and cash re-leasing spreads above our historical averages quarter after quarter. If again, if you follow us along, you always hear Alan say Records are meant to be broken. So we're moving our occupancy beyond prior highs. -- reflecting that momentum as well as improved visibility into the balance of the year, we see our 2026 earnings guidance with our second quarter results, including our same property NOI growth, NAREIT FFO and core operating earnings ranges. Our development program continues to be a highlight of our capital allocation strategy and an important differentiator for Regency. Today, we have nearly $700 million of development and redevelopment projects in process at blended yields of approximately 9%. And importantly, our pipeline of future opportunities continues to expand. The success of the platform, the track record. That's what continues to create additional opportunities for us to source great projects. And as a result, we continue to increase our annual pace of development and redevelopment starts which we now expect to approach $400 million this year. Again, against the backdrop of very limited new retail supply, our ability to consistently source and execute high-quality projects anchored by leading grocers, at attractive returns, represents a durable competitive advantage for us. We are also delivering these centers at substantial spreads to market cap rates of at least 150 basis points. That's generating meaningful NAV creation in addition to earnings accretion. At the same time, we're still active in the acquisition market, but because development is our primary external growth driver, we have the ability to remain selective and patient in what continues to be even today in a highly competitive transaction environment. And that discipline is supported by our sector-leading balance sheet, our A ratings from S&P and Moody's, growing free cash flow and nearly full availability on our $1.5 billion credit facility provide us with significant financial flexibility. That strength gives us efficient access to low-cost capital and the ability to fund our investment pipeline without relying on equity or dispositions and still retaining capacity to pursue additional opportunities as they arise. So in summary, I'm really excited and energized by Regency's position and the opportunities ahead of us, high-quality real estate and compelling suburban trade areas, a differentiated national development platform, a sector-leading balance sheet and the best team in the business really do collectively separate Regency apart. And with that, we're happy to take questions.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#3

Before I talk about background, the consumer, that $400 million of animal development spend, is there ability -- is there a sort of balance sheet capacity that you can expand that at this point given that unique advantage you have?

Lisa Palmer

executive
#4

So we're generating approximately $190 million of free cash flow. And with the growth in EBITDA and with our low leverage of the existing balance sheet, the answer would be yes, without significantly impacting that with remaining leverage neutral, we get to $400 million. So we have the ability to do even more. And today, our development -- while our starts are $400 million, the development spend is still a little bit less than that. So we still have capacity to execute on opportunities as they arise. .

Samir Khanal

analyst
#5

So having the costs in that regard development costs, construction costs. .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#6

Construction costs have generally remained relatively stable since the big increases that we saw during the COVID years, while there's different line items, that are moving maybe in different directions, the overall cost is just natural increases. So fuel prices are certainly driving increased line item costs. At the same time, it's being offset by other.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#7

Both the tariffs and --

Lisa Palmer

executive
#8

We really didn't see much from that at all.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#9

Thank you. I mean, Lisa, you talked about your development -- ground-up development program, I mean that's truly leak in the space compared to peer. Why haven't your peers been able to replicate something like that? .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#10

It's really difficult business. And 1 -- so I've been with the company 30 years this week, and development has been a core competency and really something that we're just really good at for as long as I've been here. And even during kind of the thin times, right? So on page -- we do have our investor presentation out there, Page 23 of our investor presentation. You will see from 2012 through 2019 the amount of starts was definitely compressed relative to where we are today. And there is a variety of things happening. We're coming out of the GFC and there was also the pressure from e-commerce and what is going to happen to physical stores and retailers were entrenching and spending more internally than they were on expansion plans. . But during that period of time, we were still developing. We kept the muscle of the company. So I mean I just -- I said this earlier today. We have 3 MDs of investments, 1 in California, 1 that's responsible for West Southwest, 1 that sits in the Southeast, that's responsible for Southeast Midwest and 1 that sits in Washington, D.C. for Mid-Atlantic, Northeast. They've all been with us for that whole time. So the ability -- so then when the pandemic hit and COVID hit there are several structural changes that we're still benefiting from today. That is retailers were forced to get their goods to their consumers through other means. And what that did is it made -- it gave them a renewed appreciation for their physical footprint. Because the most profitable way for them to get their goods to a consumer is to have the consumer walk in the door, pack their own goods in the cart and check out. The next most profitable way is to service that customer from the store whether it was an order online, pick up in the store or order online, pick up in the parking lot. And as a result of that, coming out of it, and you can, again, it really does correlate very well with our success, they put their foot on the gas pedal for expansion plans. And so there is now more demand from the retailers. At the same time, you had the consumers who during a period of time, I've always said, you can buy anything you want sitting in your house. During those years, consumers also developed a renewed appreciation for shopping. And not everyone loves to shop, but a lot of people like to shop. And so the combination of the 2, along with some other shifts in terms of out-migration from inter-urban to suburbs, all were structural tailwinds for our business and allowing us to kind of really build the momentum in that business and then relationships with our tenants. -- relationships with master plan community developers. That same team that I just talked to you about that was already in place that already had the expertise and the track record and our cost of capital. And those 4 together really the success is beget success, and we continue to build on that momentum. .

Samir Khanal

analyst
#11

Are you seeing signs of Roundup anywhere thanationally besides Texas? I mean, we've kind of heard about that. Anywhere else? .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#12

We're active in -- I mean, I think we have several in California that are in process. We have got several in competition. Well, there's -- yes. So the market is still pretty fragmented. And we've taken inventory of every shopping center that's been developed with the grocers that we would like to do business with in markets in which we would like to develop. And -- we're still -- we are the largest at scale nationally, but still less than 20% probably of the full market share of all new shopping center developments of our investable centers, not even talking about the total. So there's competition. It just tends to be more private regional developers with access to private capital.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#13

What would be the split of -- in terms of how you source these development opportunities you mentioned local master community developers and whatnot. But how much would be just from land that you've had on your balance sheet or options on your land versus it all -- is it all coming from local families to bring you on a deal, a local developer. Just like how should we think about .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#14

Yes. So approximately 2/3 is ground-up development. So and we have -- we don't land bank for large new ground-up developments. We have some land that is part of or adjacent to an operating shopping center, yes. it's minimal. That would be in a redevelopment bucket, it would be added to their -- and about 60% of our in process is from master plan community relationships and developers.

Christy McElroy

executive
#15

And call it about 2/3 of our pipeline is master plan.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#16

So what does that mean from a pre-leasing standpoint, before you kick off, like how much of it do you get the gross .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#17

I have to have the anchor lease. And if it's more than one, typically, all -- we have a couple of junior anchors to have the anchor lease execution before we'll take down the land. And then depending upon the start every opportunity is different and unique. Mike Mas, our CFO loves to call their Snowflake. So it does depend. It depends on the market. It depends on how much space you're building. But we can be pre-leased anywhere -- sometimes it's good to keep -- what I'm saying, sometimes it's good to keep it off the market because you'll generate a lot more excitement once the other retailers start to see a Whole Foods coming to life in a beautiful new center. But it can range anywhere from -- I mean, I don't know that we have any minimums, but it's going to range anywhere from -- it does put it -- we feel really good about our pipeline in terms of what percent pre-leased we are. And the success in the last couple of years, I think, is evident if you just go look at what we've delivered, we've delivered them very close to 100% leased at completion.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#18

So the $400 million pipeline, that's ground-up development and redevelopment. -- correct -- so what is the split within that pipeline between the 2? How do returns compare? And maybe if you could, I guess, just talk about the redevelopment densification opportunity, anything on that front? .

Christy McElroy

executive
#19

So there's $400 million -- that's $400 million of starts -- nearly $400 million of starts that we expect in 2026. Right now, our in-process pipeline is nearly $700 million. So that's going to be call it right now, ground up is about 400, so 400, 300 is about the split. As you think about our new starts, it's going to be about 2/3 ground-up development, 1/3 redevelopment in terms of volume. .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#20

And we're targeting -- our target for ground-up development is to be at least 150 basis points above market cap rates and generally for the type of product that we are developing and acquiring, that's going to be 7% plus for ground up and redevelopments that really varies. And again, if you look at what's in process, we're at a blend at 9. So that tells you that some of our redevelopments came in at much higher returns than others, but they're going to be slightly higher. You typically -- right, it's -- there's often not land basis involved. There may not -- it may be all 100% incremental NOI that there wasn't anything before. So difficult to compare the 2.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#21

Maybe shifting a little bit to the consumer and the macro I mean your portfolio is skewed to the higher income areas, right? But are you seeing sort of a difference in performance between the highest income centers and the rest of the portfolio? .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#22

We are not seeing really any significant differences across any markets or trade areas or kind of neighborhoods, if you will. And our product type really lends itself to perform well up there if there's any questions -- so stocks are pull back, right, the retail stocks and second quarter earnings. I don't know if it's macro pressures with the 10 year 5 or oil prices, but -- there was a quote from the CoStar retoreal estate analytics. -- about simultaneously started to see sellout I say this is the reason why. But as wonders if you could push back on this. to is while retail fundamentals remain healthy by historical standards, softer consumer spending growth, elevated interest rates and greater tenant cost pressures and reduced landlord's ability to push rents at the aggressive in the segment. Are you seeing any kind of slowdown in any wish or form Were not yet. I assume everyone that's listening could hear the question was really, are we seeing any type of slowdown or softening in our ability to to kind of push and to drive rents. And the answer is no, we're not. If anything, we continue to see that strengthening. We continue to increase our percent leased -- and we're getting -- as I said even in my prepared remarks, our ability to drive contractual rent growth, so the rent steps within leases and the cash releasing spreads, it's better than historical average each quarter. I never say never, and we say it all the time, we know we are not 100% immune to economic cycles. And if there is a pullback, and we're really well positioned. I think we're more resistant than the rest of the retail sector because of the quality of our portfolio and because of the property type in which we own and operate.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#23

Can you tell us about your watch list today?

Lisa Palmer

executive
#24

I'll let Christy take that.

Christy McElroy

executive
#25

Our watchlist is about its historical average about 2% of ABR, which is where we've seen it the last few years. as we do guide to uncollectible lease income, so bad debt as a percentage of NOI as a percentage of revenues, and that is about -- we've guided to below 50 basis points year-to-date, we're running in the kind of low to mid-30s. So we're doing really well on credit loss right now. We started the year with a couple of uncertainties from a tenant perspective as far as bankruptcies, and we've we've outperformed that. And you've seen -- we've had some really good resolutions on that, and you've seen us raise guidance partially as a result of that. So right now, our watch list looks good.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#26

And who's on our watch list without naming names.

Christy McElroy

executive
#27

I think it's largely from a tenant category perspective, it's going to be the bigger box, junior anchors that you would imagine. -- some of the names that largely 1 in particular that was on our watch list earlier this year that sort of resolved is still on our watch list, and we're continuing to watch those tenants that have continued to -- have continued to show signs of potential credit issues. -- in addition to those that have recently emerged from bankruptcy.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#28

About gyms? .

Christy McElroy

executive
#29

Fitness is on our kind of secondary watch list. There are some fitness providers that are on our watch list .

Samir Khanal

analyst
#30

Are doing well today. Yes. .

Christy McElroy

executive
#31

I mean we're watching credit risk tenants. We're also watching those that are downsizing and those that may close stores at lease expiration. So we're watching our tenants on all fronts on many levels. And we're considering that in our leasing as well as in our forecast. .

Samir Khanal

analyst
#32

What about external acquisitions. It's been tricky and grocery-anchored shopping centers as cap rates have kind of compressed and stayed low. Do you have any thoughts on how interest rate trends may ultimately impact the cap rates for transactions? And does that -- is there any potential window that could open up for you to be more acquisitive as we move forward?

Lisa Palmer

executive
#33

I won't go into my detailed history lesson because Christy would probably kick me under the table. But you really can find all that data, right, with regards to interest rates, versus inflation versus cap rates. And from the '80s on, it's kind of all over the Board with cap rates except for 1 short period of time are typically going to be above the 10-year treasury rate. I know that's not a shock to anybody. But the spread between the 2 has really varied over the last 50 years. And I think, obviously, a lot of it has to do with what our expectations. And right now, even with the 10-year at 5%, you're absolutely right, cap rates have compressed. And the quality of the property, of which we would buy is in the low to mid-5s. So very small spread over the 10-year treasury. Is that going to sustain? And is it going to stay there? I think -- I don't have the answers to that. I do know what's important to us when we are allocating capital, we have to make sure that we can fund it accretively. So that's number one. And if we can't, then we we will step away. If we can fund it accretively, then we look at the merits of the actual investment opportunity itself. Is it accretive to our growth rate? Is it accretive to the quality of the portfolio. If we -- if you believe that interest rates are going to stay at 5% and go higher for an extended period of time, I think you'd have to expect that cap rates are going to move with it. But I don't know -- I don't have a crystal ball to know if that will happen or when. And if they come back down, I feel pretty confident to say that I think cap rates would stay where they are. .

Christy McElroy

executive
#34

But to date, we've not ... .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#35

We haven't seen any change. We're still seeing -- and right acquisition -- developments even longer term. So those returns take even longer to move acquisitions -- the only way you're going to see are the ones that are going to go under contract from this day forward. Those that are under contract and closing today aren't necessarily a good proxy for that because they went under contract when interest rates were at a different level. . But I do -- if they stay -- if it stays 5 or north over a period of time, you might see some of them. I don't think you're going to see like significant movement because there's still -- for all the same reasons I just talked about. It's a hard asset with sustainable, steady cash flow growth with relatively knock on wood, low risk. And so the risk reward for investing in neighborhood, grocery-anchored shopping centers is still attracting a lot of capital.

Christy McElroy

executive
#36

The only other thing I would add is that if we do start to see some movement in cap rates, you're probably going to see it where more of the levered buyers are playing, which is the larger assets. .

Samir Khanal

analyst
#37

I guess, given where pricing is today, how do you think about pruning assets and potentially redeploying disposition proceeds? .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#38

We always evaluate every kind of tool in the toolbox -- we like our portfolio. We do believe that growth is better for delivering and creating value for our shareholders than shrinking. We can grow more efficiently than we can shrink efficiently. And therefore, that is certainly our focus. But to the extent that there are big dislocations, we would absolutely look at it and have in the past. .

Samir Khanal

analyst
#39

I heard a statement from 1 of the industry peers that wasn't a topping center today. They were asking about M&A and apartments is bigger and better, and his common was no better, is better, which was insightful. So you're big, can you talk about growing like growing what -- so why do I care that you're bigger if you can grow your cash flow when your NAV by doing what this gentleman suggests?

Lisa Palmer

executive
#40

We agree with whoever that was. We actually say bigger is better, but better is best. And we -- that's what's so great about our position today. We are not -- we don't have to grow. But when we're generating $190 million of free cash flow that we can invest in developments that are at least 150 basis point return wider than what the market cap rate is, we're creating value as we develop those. That's a good business, and it's 1 we're going to continue to focus on. There are real -- there are efficiency benefits to the size that we are. I do believe we're at a threshold size where we are gaining those -- and if you were to pick a say we put together a portfolio of $250 million to sell to buy back shares, we would actually go backwards in efficiency. So where as we're adding shopping centers, we're not adding people every time we develop a new shopping center. So we're gaining efficiencies with that. So bigger is better, better is best.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#41

Maybe on the balance sheet. I know you've got about $500 million coming due -- how should we think about the timing and structure of the refi? .

Christy McElroy

executive
#42

Sure. As you mentioned, we do have a $525 million bond coming due on February 1. We also have some mortgages, some consolidated mortgages that will we'll look to finance with corporate debt as well as funding our growth pipeline, funding our growth capital with the -- some of the acquisitions we're doing, but more notably with our development and redevelopment pipeline. So we've got some work to do over the next, call it, 9 to 12 months from a debt financing perspective. As we're looking at our options, we are looking at all alternatives. We're looking at the bond market. And we'll look for attractive windows to the extent that we choose to go that avenue. We are looking at the term loan market, we are looking at the convert market. And we have seen a lot of REITs access the convert market. We have looked at that -- we like to think about it in terms of if we look at it from a debt instrument perspective to refinance our debt, we need to look at it as a bond instrument, as a debt instrument. And with that, we would put -- we would issue a cap call with that to increase the conversion premium to make sure that it makes sense. The effective rate on something like that, given Regency's volatility, given Regency's dividend yield and dividend growth, the effective rate ends up being higher, and it is comparable to where we can issue 5-year debt. So on that basis, given the risk reward, it doesn't necessarily make sense for Regency given the -- given our access to low-cost debt capital. And if we look at it purely on an equity potent perspective, then it doesn't make sense for us today either. So -- but we are looking at all avenues, and we have some -- the good news is we've got some great options and great access to capital.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#43

What would 5 year unsecured paper these days.

Christy McElroy

executive
#44

So 5-year, where is the 5-year I've been more on the -- so 10 years, we're at about 85 basis points over .

Samir Khanal

analyst
#45

85 basis points.

Christy McElroy

executive
#46

Yes. So if we're looking at 5 years, call it, 60 or 65 basis points over.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#47

I know 1 of the questions we get, I know it's early to talk about '27, and I know there's no guidance -- we always I know this 1 holding flux to growth in the next year. So help us kind of this Mike was here I'd ask .

Christy McElroy

executive
#48

There is absolutely 0 chance I'm giving you 2027. But I mean the building blocks are similar to this year that you go No. I mean the building blocks are similar to as they've been in years past, right? When you think about same-property NOI growth, and we've been talking a lot about this today, the primary driver of our same-property growth is our ability to push rent. And when you think about what goes into that, -- it's -- yes, it's cash re-leasing spread. It's the mark-to-market that we're getting on our leases when we roll them but it's also the contractual rent steps that we're embedding within our leases. And I think that's really important when you think about a company like Regency given the amount of shop space that we have because we are we are getting 3% plus on more than 80% of our leases. And so we're getting 3%, 4%, 5% annual bumps in the shop spaces. -- where -- and we are doing better on anchor as well. And I know that that's been a big question. So we're getting, call it, 1% to 1.5% average annual increases in our anchor space. But on that shop space, because those rents are growing year after year, we are closer to market, right, when you get to the expiration of that lease, which which is always going to put us in the middle of the pack from a cash re-leasing spread perspective. A lot of people ask us, what's the most misunderstood thing. I think the focus on cash re-leasing spreads is 1 of the most misunderstood things. We will always be in the middle of the pack, but we will always be ahead of the pack on GAAP re-leasing spreads, right? We're generating 20% plus GAAP re-leasing spreads, and that's what's driving the majority of our same-property NOI growth, more than 250 basis points plus. On top of that, we're investing capital and redevelopment. We spent a lot of time talking about ground-up development as well as redevelopment redevelopment is a great contributor for us for same-property NOI growth. On top of that, we do have occupancy is we've been -- we've had great success growing occupancy -- and we still have some runway there. If you think about where we are relative to historical averages, we exceeded our peak on our leased rate. If we get back to our peak levels on anchor space because we've exceeded on shop space, if we get back to our peak levels on anchor space, we can get another -- at least on their 20 basis points on our lease rate. From a commenced perspective, which is really what's driving same-property NOI growth, right now, we're at about a 240 basis point. If we can track that back to historical levels of 180 basis points, that's another 60 basis points of runway on top of that, another 20 basis points potentially if we get back to peak levels on lease rate. Lisa is kicking me under the table, calling at peak. But we've shown that we can move beyond that, so that same property NOI growth. The building blocks beyond that. We spent -- again, we spent a lot of time talking about ground-up development. And ground up development is going to add another 100, call it, 125 basis points, especially as we get closer to those stabilized levels if we can continue to generate $350 million, $400 million of starts and spend. So those are the building blocks. The debt refinancing is obviously a little bit of a headwind right now. But factoring all of those pieces in, that's -- those are the building blocks that we have the most visibility on. On top of that, to the extent that we're able to invest capital to raise capital and invest that capital accretively because we can do all of this without issuing any equity. If we can issue equity and invest that capital accretively through acquisitions, that's additional growth on top of that.

Lisa Palmer

executive
#49

We've shown the ability to do that. And that earnings growth will translate to dividend growth. the dividend growth will follow and match earnings growth. .

Samir Khanal

analyst
#50

Got it. Okay. Rapid-fire questions? We've got. So one, if long-term rates stay higher for longer, which has the biggest impact on your sector, we can say sector earnings. -- higher refinancing costs, lower transaction activity or less new supply .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#51

Higher financing costs .

Samir Khanal

analyst
#52

Yes. Okay. Number two, over the next 3 years, will third-party capital become a more important source of growth for public REITs than balance sheet capital yes or no. .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#53

Yes.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#54

Number three, next year's same-store NOI growth for this sector higher, the same or lower. .

Lisa Palmer

executive
#55

The same.

Samir Khanal

analyst
#56

Thank you so much.

Christy McElroy

executive
#57

Thank you.

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