Repligen Corporation (RGEN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 9, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Evan Stampler
analystHi, everyone. Welcome to day 2 of the Wells Fargo Healthcare Conference. Good afternoon. We are excited to have Repligen here. We have CEO, Olivier Loeillot and CFO, Jason Garland. Very excited to have both of you here.
Evan Stampler
analystAnd so maybe the best place is to start. I think you guys have best organic growth, at least the companies that we cover, 13% in 2Q. Maybe just start there, kind of what the -- what's driving the strong growth for you guys? And maybe any kind of like puts and takes for the quarter?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveYes. No. Thanks for the question, Evan. I mean, obviously, very happy about how quarter 2 played out for us. You're right, we grew 13% organic. In fact, the real number was 14% because we lost a portion on tariff refund. So really a great quarter, which has enabled us to increase our guidance for the full year to 10.5% to 13.5% [before] 12% growth, which is exactly what we grew in the first half. I mean our growth in H1 was exactly 12%. So we felt like this is setting us up for a good year of 2026. You mentioned about performance of our franchises. I mean, particularly great performance of both analytics and protein as well. which has helped us mining protein grew more than 50 analytics more than 30. So this has helped us balancing quite a bit on the lower growth within on filtration. Great performance on margin, and I'm sure you're going to have a question for Jason on that later on. So I'll pass on it. What was very encouraging for us also was to see a specific rebound of a couple of market segments that we are tracking, one being emerging biotech and the other one being new modalities. And as you all know, I mean, there have been a couple of tough years on new modalities. So to see a rebounding new modality market segment for us was really a great signal. And then finally, obviously, very happy with the progress we're making on our strategy here and the acquisition -- the pending acquisition of BioLife obviously is a big milestone for us, and we're very excited about what comes around the corner here.
Evan Stampler
analystThat's super helpful. maybe going to that point, I mean, 12% is the midpoint of the guide. You have a couple of discrete headwinds this year. I mean I kind of calculated to be about 40 basis points which really gets you to about 16 underlying. I mean is that a decent way to think about how this -- the business is performing at a fundamental basis? And then I know you're not going to talk about '27, but it is like -- I mean, unless you have some of these one-timers again, is that like where the industry is kind of at right now?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveListen, you're right. I mean we have been piling 2 headwinds this year, one that we -- we knew already a year ago, which was the gene therapy program that has cost us about 2 points of growth in 2026. And then the other one, which was totally unexpected that took place beginning of this year, which we informed Wall Street about, which is a couple of ATF customers, one having management of its inventory. This year, the other one having a delay of implementation of its manufacturing site. So this has indeed added a bit of an expected pressure to 2026 numbers. We are so glad that we are still managing to deliver the growth we do because it's a testimony indeed. We have that very broad portfolio of products that we've been talking about constantly over the last several years. So you're also right, Evan. I'm not talking about '27 today. I mean you know what we've been always saying, I mean, we are aiming to outpace market growth by 5 points. And we have such a diversified portfolio of products that, for whatever reason, we get bad news on one side, we were trying and we are managing to compensate on the other side. So that's kind of the story for '27 at this stage.
Evan Stampler
analystGot you. And the news all what a lot of people are trying to figure out is what all this mRNA news means for Repligen and bioprocessing companies. I know it's really challenging to kind of put numbers around it. But I mean, I think pre-BioLife, new modalities was 16% of sales, mRNA was kind of probably puts it in the low to mid-single-digit range. Just from a high level, is there anything about mRNA production that's particularly heavy in its use of either filtration or chromatography or kind of anything that you could just mRNA in particular? And then really, what parts of your portfolio are kind of geared towards that modality?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveYes. No, mRNA is a modality we like from a lot of angle. I mean, and first of all, think about it, I mean during COVID, billions of people around the world have been taking some mRNA vaccines. And this is what I like to call sometimes the largest clinical trial that has ever happened in the history of the world, somehow where indeed billions of people have been vaccinated. So to see that piece of news coming from the Moderna [INT] project combined with Merck project, this is very, very exciting for the entire industry because for bioprocessing company, mRNA is presenting a lot of opportunities. I mean if you look at products, as you ask, I mean, it can start with any type of resin that are being used in two steps. One, for the first step, which is the DNA plasmid manufacturing and the other one, which is for the final purification of the mRNA product. We launched the first catalog product. We launched enabling customers to get rid of the biggest impurity, you're getting an mRNA process, which is a double-stranded RNA. So that's a resin piece. Then if you have resin, you have to pack resins and very often, those mRNA customers, they have to pack hundreds of columns because it's going into smaller type of population, batches and so on. So they don't want very often to pack this column themselves. So they use column packing. So that's great [bony for opus]. Then you had the filters, then you had the free in management because for free -- as far as fleet management concern the needs are very different than the needs you have on some other businesses like monocular antibody, which are mostly dealing with very large processes. M&A process are much smaller and so all. And then finally, PAT technology. So of course, there are a lot of opportunities for suppliers like ours across the board in terms of the portfolio here.
Evan Stampler
analystThat's great. Another area that we get a lot of questions, BioLife acquisition, obviously, biggest in the company's history. Seemed attractive. I mean, high consumables mix, dominant market share, why did you think that this was the right asset? And particularly, I guess, the questions that we get is like why cell therapy? And I know you've touched on it, but just to -- if you can provide anything there, that would be great.
Olivier Loeillot
executiveYes, sure. I mean, first of all, we did a lot of homework even. I can tell you, we spent like 6, 7 months in total to re-make sure we were making the right decision here doing multiple markets is about cell therapy in general, understanding what the trends were, trying to overcome potential risk like the potential emergence of in vivo therapies and so on. So we did that homework first, and then we realized, well, first of all, it's a huge new modality for our customers. 25%, so 1 product out of 4 in the overall funnel pipeline of pharmaceutical -- biopharmaceutical drug today is a cell therapy drug. And then you have -- today, it's mostly CAR-Ts that are commercial. You start to see the emergence of allogenic drugs and later on iPSCs as well. We realize this is a very fast-growing market for the next decade, for sure. And then secondly, looking at that specific asset, I mean, BioLife has done an amazing job to really differentiate itself. And as you know, we like to say 80% of our portfolio is differentiated. Their portfolio is very differentiated as well. So the fit is also very good here. I mean, on biopreservation media, they are already designing 18 commercial drugs. They are designing in more than 80% of any Phase II and Phase III drug as well. So we know like there is a lot of tailwind that's going to come in the next few years from the next FDA approval across the board here. And then finally, I mean 2 things. First of all, there's a little joke. I mean we're going to hit the USD 1 billion number next year, which for a company like Repligen. It's a big milestone for us. I mean we've been -- we've been growing very nicely, as you all know. I don't think there are a lot of people who would have paid that repeated would be USD 1 billion by 2027 several years ago, and that's a big milestone for us. And one of the reasons why is because we've got that very diversified portfolio of products, but also a very diversified end market approach. I mean we talked a lot about mRNA. We talked a lot about gene therapy in the past. We had a very small pain cell therapy. Now with this acquisition, we are going to balance our play into new modalities much more evenly between cell therapy, mRNA and gene therapy as well. So across the board really exciting for us. And as we mentioned, it's accretive across the board. I mean I tell you, I've looked at a lot of acquisitions in my career. I've never seen an acquisition target that was accretive to top line growth gross margin and EBITDA margin as well. So we like it. And at the end of the day, pretty simple integration and pretty low-hanging fruit as well for generating synergies here.
Jason Garland
executiveYes. And when you look at the synergies we feel like they're pretty straightforward, right? So we called out about $20 million in year 1. Most of that $15 million of that is in the OpEx side, very much tied to public company costs, leadership costs, right, CEO.
Evan Stampler
analystHe's being paid pretty well. Yes.
Jason Garland
executiveSo fortunately, he'll want to find some retirement home here next. And then that leaves us with, I think, again, a lot straightforward synergies on top of the leadership side, there's the redundant public company costs that come with that Board expenses, et cetera. And then the rest is on the cost of good old side, which really has to do primarily to start with helping them to work through some of the yield and bag issues that they've shared with. And luckily, we are a supplier of single-use bags, and so we're able to find a path with them to create benefit with that. So we feel like we've been pretty conservative with the overall modeling, both from the synergies, and we didn't bake any top line synergies in , but we do expect there to be in both directions, right? They're spectoseveral commercial drugs, we are not, right? So we'll be able to tap into the relationships they have, sell that broader portfolio that Olivier just talked about and be able to continue to drive some good benefits. So we love the deal overall. Financials are great.
Evan Stampler
analystYes. I mean just something you said that just kind of struck me. So the synergies going both ways revenue. So if they're in a commercial drug, how easy is that for them to switch to Repligen if you're not in there already, if it's commercial?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveI think what Jason wanted to say is, indeed, they are designing in 18 commercial therapy drugs. I don't think we -- what is in any of these 18 with the Repligen portfolio. What I think Jason was alluding to is that's going to open up doors for the Repligen portfolio and maybe not for those commercial drug specifically but more broadly for the pipeline where we might not have had those high-level contact at those accounts that we will have now because we are supplying them a very important product for those drugs, yes.
Evan Stampler
analystGreat. Maybe another one for Jason on margins. Like you said, really great quarter, I think up 380 basis points. You have this goal of 30% EBITDA margins by 2030. My math is kind of like 200 -- over 200 basis points a year. It's a lot. So how should we think about kind of the trajectory of that? And I think all this was kind of contemplated before [Polynem] and BioLife. And so how should we think about that goal in light of those changes?
Jason Garland
executiveYes. So you're right. It's a big step in each year. We announced earlier this year the transformation office that we've been executing. So that's the way to help accelerate that. So we actually feel like some of the growth will come over the next couple of years versus all being [back-ended loaded]. So we do see that benefit. [PolyMem] was contemplated within the transformation office. But to your point, certainly, the BioLife acquisition was not -- at this point in time, before we close and build out a consolidated set of financials that we'll share, we really think of that as helping to accelerate that path to the 30%. So but we'll pull all that together and kind of reprofile how we see it playing out. But I think the other thing for us is that as we continue to execute that margin expansion, it also gives us more room and flexibility to reinvest, right, making sure that whether it's in more R&D spend or technology, whether we want to double down more in some commercial and sales resources, to really help bolster our top line growth that we're going to have some of that flexibility. So we're really happy with the trajectory we've had, the discipline that the team has built, and we'll be able to leverage that more broadly.
Evan Stampler
analystGreat. Very exciting. Maybe on AI. I know this is an important topic for you guys, transformation office, working on that, putting that internally. I guess I'm more interested in maybe your -- in terms of your products and how that is going to be aimed or is aimed at helping your customers implement AI and do things faster, increase throughput. I think your PAT portfolio technologies and integrating that with your system seems like an obvious place, you had the [Novosin] deal, [NextGen TFF], you've talked about. But just how important can you talk about this and then say, explain how important that is integrating AI in your portfolio in order to kind of differentiate your offering?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveYes. And I think you phrased it well already in your question, Evan. I mean, it's a 3-step journey really. It starts with PAT. It's going to be emphasized by digital twin. And then finally, it's going to conclude to AI. So trying to be a bit more specific here, in order to use AI, you need data, whatever business you look at, I mean you can't use AI if you don't have data. The only way we can help our customers to start with is to enable them to collect that data the data. And the data are going to collect from 2 front. One is going to be on the process development side, and the other one is going to be the manufacturing side. And the only way to collect data right now via PET technologies. I mean, I'll give you a number that's going to probably strike you and people here is last year, we said probably 20%, 25% of the system we were selling coming alongside our PAT technologies. In the last 3 months, it went up to 80% to it's only 3 months. But I mean, for us, it's extremely encouraging because it's been like those people who have started to embed those PAT technologies have used them and like them now they say, "Well, I'm just not going to buy a system now without having the PET technology alongside." So that's really the first step and we've technologies. Only one is in line right now. We are going to work to make sure we get a second and if not the third one in line over the next couple of years. Then this is what digital wind comes, which is what is digital twin? Digital twin is a software that enable you to kind of try to understand what the data you're collecting means. So are you going to be better at developing a process using [atresian]? Are you going to be better at running the process under this type of parameters and so on by using this digital twin capabilities, it's giving you a first hit. And then later on, once you're going to be having a lot of data on with your PET technologies, once you're going to have used digital twin to become faster at developing our processes and so on, then you're going to start to use those very broad AI engine that will enable you to just look at the data you collected over the last 10, 20 batches you manufacture and being able to tell you after 1 hour, that's going to be a good batch, that's going to be a bad batch, and then you can stop it after 1 hour instead of waiting for 2 weeks. So can you imagine if you are a CDMO, it's a big game changer because, I mean, for CDMO, it's all about the time you used to sell -- to manufacture and sell products, you don't want to run a [badge] that's going to be a bad patch. So it's going to be a multiyear tonic what's going to be really important is today, we sell the PAT technologies. We are going to try to sell the digital twin technology as well. And then later on, partnering with the right AI company and so on is hopefully starting to be able to also sell the AI software to become like an extension of our customers in a way.
Evan Stampler
analystGot you. Maybe moving to proteins. I mean, 50% growth there. I don't think we expect that to be the same going forward. But can you just talk about what you're seeing in that business? And as we think about the long-term growth opportunities there. I mean, how should we be thinking about things?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveNo. I mean I love all of my franchises. There is one I'm really proud about that, and literally, I mean, Jason and I exactly joined 3 years ago now. And I mean I tell you, when we came maybe literally a few months after we read about our 2 key customers on the protein side who have decided to just stop buying from us completely. So it was like the most are fixed scenario you could think about. And we just felt like, hey, what are we going to do? I mean we have just reinvent ourselves and reinvent ourselves from every angle, meaning on the one side, doubling down on the collaboration we had with the last OEM partner we have, which is Pure Light. And then on the other side, making sure we start to have our destiny in our hands by having an engine, a real innovation engine for both ligand and resin as well with the acquisition of [Tanti]. And I mean, I have to say it has worked beyond our expectation. I mean it's just happening across the board. I mean, the collaboration with [Purolite] has been great. I mean, I think in the [cola] quarter 2 resource, even though we collate big companies, they didn't mention that they are getting market share, they are gaining market share on the resin side. And then on our own resin side, I mean, we are multiplying the wins across the board for both very innovative products in the new modality, but also more interestingly, in some of the older franchises where people have realized there is a shock Repligen that's capable to develop legal and resin for them in less than 6 months, which is a fraction of the time it takes to the other guys. So we've won a lot of those R&D product development deal over the last 1 to 2 years. and this starts to generate significant sales. And the best is still to come. I mean, it's probably going to still be lumpy. So that's your question about going to be able to deliver 50% growth every quarter? The answer is no. Is the objective to grow very fast on the protein side over the next 5 to 10 years, absolutely. And we get so many bets across the board, like I think going to be a fantastic story for us in the midterm here for sure.
Evan Stampler
analystRight. Moving to capital equipment. Things are still kind of weak there, but it sounds like there's some sign of life in the quarter. orders are up book-to-bill above one. You talked about a bunch of things. I mean getting a seat at the table, you have two RFPs with maybe another one coming onshoring. And then just fundamentally, you've talked about kind of an underinvestment on the part of the industry, it probably price since COVID. So where do you think we are in this? Well, obviously, we're in the bottom of the capital equipment cycle. But what does this recovery look like? Because it seems like there are a lot of different industry-specific things, but also company-specific things that have changed probably since the last cycle?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveEvan, let's start with the good news. I mean, we won 1 RFP in Q1, 1 in Q2. We already won 2 in Q3. So where it's still not as fast and as big as I would have thought it would be when we at least, we do have a seat at the table. And only we have a seat at the table. We are winning some of these RFPs, which for us is obviously a great sign because we never even had a chance to win those in the past. I mean the other flip side of it is not happening probably as fast as all of us would have liked to see it happening. And I know I've been talking about the TAP opening sooner or later very strongly. I think it's probably 5% open right now. So even with only 5%, we start to have some good win. I mean, which are going to be mostly delivered in '27. We also we're starting to build a nice backlog for '27 of those hardware deals we're winning? I think capacity is still to come. I mean, I think we've not seen like probably more than 5%, 10% of what's going to come over the next few years because it's going to be a combination of some of these onshoring big projects becoming more and more in terms of number, but also the urgent now for our CDMOs and pharma customers to really go back to the hardware upgrade cycle that they've been ignoring mostly for the last 3 years. And technologies are improving. I mean back to the story on PAT, I mean people who have been testing our PAT technologies now for the last 2 to 3 years, they probably realize, hey, you know what, not only we need to upgrade the equipment because there is better equipment today. But on top of it, that's going to enable us not to pay it with the PET technologies that are available. So the good news is we are still at the beginning of the cycle here for sure.
Evan Stampler
analystRight. process analytics, another strong quarter, 30% growth. Maybe kind of digging in there, where are you seeing the most drink? Is it broad-based? Are there particular products that you're seeing the most demand? I mean you've talked about the Solar VP plus upgrade cycle. How much is that contributing? And are there other areas within the portfolio where you see opportunities for upgrade cycles?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveI mean it's a combination of multiple factors. I mean you don't grow more than 20% in '25 and midpoint, I think, of our guidance of 25% in 2026 without having multiple reasons for that. I mean the market itself is becoming better and better. And I think we've seen some of the big analytical company instrument, talking about it recently quite a bit as well. So they're seeing it as well. I think -- and that that's a good sign, by the way, for the bigger CapEx spending because at least to my own experience, very often, where you start to see the beginning of a new cycle with a smaller scale type of equipment, which are easier. I mean your procurement, your finance right and is going to release funding for small-scale hardware faster than for larger scale so hat's another good sign. But it will start with the market getting better. And then obviously, you mentioned the upgrade cycle. I mean, one of the things we're getting more and more focused on in life cycle management of our product? We never really launched a new version of our product in the past. I mean, there was not a new version of the solo for the last 10, 12 years. So people were just delighted to see something that's much faster, much more accurate than what we had before. We are still at the beginning of the cycle of the upgrade. We have a pretty strong target in terms of what we bathe upgrade and cycle to be at, and we're going to start working on the next generation of solo probably in the upcoming few quarters as well, so that we keep on having that life cycle management. The last piece I would mention is we've done a great job for the analytical franchise as well to push both consumables and service sales because those recurrent sales are great, obviously. And it's not that we had a great attachment on both sides before and slowly but surely, we are focusing on that more and more. I have one last, which is 908, [not accretion], which is like 15, 16 months ago now. I mean it's fair to say the integration has taken us more time and energy than we thought initially, the great news is now everything is in full order, meaning in terms of quality, in terms of regulation and so on that we can finally start to push for that product portfolio, and that should be a really nice tailwind for us in '27 and beyond.
Evan Stampler
analystYes. They had some good technologies. So it's nice to see it end up in your hands. Filtration, high single-digit growth last year. mid-single-digit growth this year. There's significant headwinds there, though from Sarepta ATF. How do we think about this business in the long term. I mean, I think historically, I've kind of thought of it as like a low double-digit grower. But how do we kind of get back there?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveI mean, again, when we enter in 2026, I have no clue like -- this would be the least performing franchise all. I mean I can guarantee you. I mean, [indiscernible] has thought me that in my 30 years of experience, I mean you do budget and then you deliver the year because you have to but you never deliver it the way you think you're going to deliver it. So -- and yes, we just filed all of the headwind we had in the business all came in filtration this year, even including one, which is an inorganic play when we decided to sell [Polymen] which cost at a point something of growth as well. But anyway, the good news is we start to see a nice rebound on ATF in the last couple of months, but also we are tracking how many new program customer are we winning? I mean, after 4 months in '26, we had on as many new customer program as we had in the first 6 months of 2025. So it means like we are still getting more and more customers willing to use and then starting to use ATF. One of the interesting trends we've seen lately is more people using it for smaller scale type of product at first glance was like, "Oh, wow, isn't that surprising?" And maybe we're going to get less consumable, but it also means like people really love the technology because where I thought it's probably going to be mostly focusing on products that are requiring a few hundreds of kilograms of map every year or maybe a metric ton. I mean now we start to see people using it for processes that only record maybe 100-kilogram of map per year which shows you like people are really becoming much broader on it and so on. So that's something we were hoping to see the benefit of very soon. And I mean it's fair to assume like, well, this year, the three other franchises have been the one growing faster and so on. I mean, there is a good chance next year, we're going to see a different setup between the 4 franchises. We are still very bullish on ATF. And then the other big part of the filtration franchise is our downstream system, which also have been impacted by the lack of decision making on the CapEx spending side. So if [we tap] opens, all reasons to be optimistic about next year for filtration.
Evan Stampler
analystMaybe just rounding it out going to chromatography. I mean it's been -- I mean 2 straight, very strong years. I've always thought about the differentiation there being just the breadth of the portfolio, small scale to large scale. Maybe that kind of -- maybe there's more to it than that. Is there something else that we should be thinking about there? Why has it been so strong? And then again, I mean, after 2 strong years, I mean, how should we think about the underlying growth opportunity there?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveNo, I think, and I know I said that a few times already is people are realizing like packing a [colon] is not a core activity for a pharma company. I mean why would you need to have, and I mentioned for mRNA in particular, which is a perfect example. Why would you need to have very big team of people to pack columns where you're not sure exactly about the amount of column. You're going to have 2 pack months, 1, month 3 months, 12 or whatever. That's partly the case for CDMOs because CDMOs that they really don't know exactly what product they are going to manufacture quarter-by-quarter. They want to have their prepack column on the shelf to be able to react very fast. But on the pharma side, which is where we had most of our wins over the last couple of years, realize they've lost the expertise as well because, I mean, when I started my carrier, I mean, very often people were starting that carrier packing columns, and then they would do that their entire life. And now I can promise you the new generation and so on. I mean they're going to do colon packing for a year, 2 years and so on, then they want to do something else. And recall them packing it's a real art. You need experience, knowledge and those pharma companies realize they have a lot of losses of product because people are losing expertise, and that's going to benefit us for the next several years. And the good news is it's only a fraction of the total column packing market that is using prepacked column today. So there is still a lot of traction here for sure.
Evan Stampler
analystGreat. China, APAC, 40% in 2Q. I think China is up 60% in the first half. I mean, is this mostly China, CDMOs in South Korea, where are you seeing within your portfolio, the most demand? And then also, you signed this OEM relationship recently in the area in the region. How does this -- what does it let you do that you really couldn't do before?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveListen, I'll be humble for once. I mean we're starting from a really low point. I mean, there is one business that has not been doing well at all for the company for the last 5 years or so. Is it really our business in China? And then I've said it well open. I think we've lost market share to a lot of local company over the last 5 years. So we are working on 2 sides right now. One is to reclaim some of this market share we've lost and this is why we signed that OEM deal, and we're starting to see really good traction on that, where we're starting to reclaim some of our lost market share. But more importantly, because I'm totally convinced the China market is going to be the fastest growing biopharmaceutical market over the next decade. We are starting to win in areas where we didn't have a play earlier. I mean back to resin. I mean, we interestingly enough, we get a lot of design-in win with some of the resin we put on our shares in the last 2 to 3 years for companies that are very heavy on the new modality side. So it's a mix of reclaiming and market share loss and then gaining market share on some of the products we didn't have on the portfolio before.
Evan Stampler
analystOkay. And the OEM relationship?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveYes. No, it's progressing very well. I mean we are on a flight to China, Jason and I, on Friday night, to visit our OEM partner and discuss the next steps together. We're going to start with them manufacturing some of our filters to start with. And we've got multiple other projects that we're going to talk about together.
Evan Stampler
analystCool. Probably have time for one more question. Got a couple here. One -- so actually, there's I think if we went back 4, 5 months, maybe 6 months ago, people thought that ATF was doomed competitor was coming out with a new product. And now, we just don't really hear about it. But it's funny, I mean, I got this using AI when I was preparing for this, but I go and look at Danaher's product, and I see their press release and I see your name. So you actually know the product very well. I think it instead of if it uses TFF, is that correct? So in terms of the different technologies, and I assume they're using a very similar technology with some upgrades, like what is the difference between using TFF for versus ATF?
Olivier Loeillot
executiveYes, I mean -- and we've said that also very openly. I mean, the only real competitor we have to ATF is TFF. So when I joined 3 years ago, I realized we have both. So I said, why are we like maybe working a little bit too much in silos, where we are so [obsessed] by ETFs that if [TFF on comes], we don't even consider it, and we're trying to convince people to do ATF/TFF. So first of all, when I joined, there were 3 pharma companies that were still not using ATF, now we are down to only one. I mean it means two of the three that were like TFF/TFFs, they've moved also to ATF in the meantime. And then any time and it's not very often the case, but any time there is a company that really consider using TFF instead of ATF who are bidding and not only we're bidding, we're winning. I mean -- so I don't think we've missed a single process intensification over the last 2 years, 3 years I've been here, and 90% of the case, 95% is ATF and then the 5%, 10% TFF winning it with our own equipment as well. And so from that point of view, and again, I don't want to feel complacent because I tell you, I'm totally worried about what might happen every day and then pushing my team to make sure we're monitoring what's happening Today, we've got the luxury that we don't have any competition at all. I mean it's going to come one day for sure. And going to get ready. We are very heavy on R&D, as you know, and we're already working on the next-generation ATF system that we hope to launch probably in about 15 to 18 months from now or so.
Evan Stampler
analystGreat. No time left, perfect timing. Thank you so much for joining us. That's a great conversation.
Jason Garland
executiveThank you.
Olivier Loeillot
executiveThank you very much. Thank you.
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