RFA Financial Inc. (RFA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
March 4, 2022
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood afternoon. My name is Sylvie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Artis Real Estate Investment Trust's 2021 Annual Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] And I would like to turn the conference over to Heather Nikkel, Vice President, Investor Relations and Sustainability. Please go ahead.
Heather Nikkel
executiveThank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Artis' Fourth Quarter and Year-end 2021 Results Conference Call. With me today is Artis' President and CEO, Samir Manji; CFO, Jaclyn Koenig; COO, Kim Riley; and Executive Vice President, U.S. Region, Phil Martens. Our fourth quarter and year-end 2021 results were disseminated yesterday and are available on SEDAR and on our website. A replay of the call will be available until Monday, April 4, 2022. The telephone numbers and passcodes for the replay were provided in yesterday's press release, and an archived recording of this call will also be made available on our website. Before we get started, please be reminded that today's call may include forward-looking statements. Such statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied today. We have identified such factors in our public filings with the securities regulators and suggest that you refer to those filings. As we discuss our performance, please keep in mind that all figures are in Canadian dollars, unless otherwise noted. With that, I will turn the call over to Samir.
Samir Manji
executiveThank you, Heather. Good morning to those of you in the West, and good afternoon to those that are in the East. Welcome, and thank you for joining us for our 2021 annual results conference call. As we've done in previous calls, I'll keep my comments today brief before handing it back to the operator to moderate the question-and-answer session. I appreciate that most attendees will have already reviewed our Q4 results, so we will not repeat most of the qualitative and financial information you are already familiar with. Instead, I will focus the majority of my remarks on the progress we've made in the implementation of the business transformation plan we announced on March 10 last year. Let me start by saying what a year it has been both for Artis and for the industry as a whole. When I reflect on the last 12 months, since we announced our new vision and strategy, time seems to have flown by. Yet when I look at what we've accomplished in that time, I'm reminded of the hard work that the Board and every member of the team at Artis has put in each and every day to help move our vision and strategy forward. One of the first steps in what I refer to as the linchpin to implementing our strategy was to unlock value through the monetization of certain assets in our portfolio. This important step provided us with the resources and financial flexibility to execute on other elements of the strategy. In 2021, we sold 41 assets for an aggregate sale price of CAD 858.6 million. These dispositions include the sale of our GTA Industrial Portfolio, which represented a milestone transaction for Artis, and in Q4, we sold all of our remaining Calgary office properties. These transactions contributed to improving our debt metrics while also enabling us to focus on a key aspect of our strategy, specifically our capital allocation plans. In Q3, we announced our participation in the investor group to acquire Cominar REIT. My apologies. In Q4, we announced our participation in the investor group to acquire Cominar REIT for $11.75 per unit, a price we believe is significantly below the intrinsic value of the underlying assets we were acquiring. Along with the CAD 112 million we invested in common equity units as part of the transaction, we also invested CAD 100 million in junior preferred units that carry a distribution rate of 18% per annum, an attractive return for our unitholders. Since the announcement in October, we've been working with our consortium partners towards the closing that happened earlier this week. During this time, our conviction in the intrinsic value of Cominar's real estate portfolio and the corresponding value creation we will achieve for our unitholders has only strengthened and solidified further. During 2021, we also began accumulating a position in Dream Office, which culminated in the announcement earlier this year that we together with our joint actors now have a 10% ownership position in Dream Office. We look forward to providing updates on both these important capital allocation initiatives in the quarters to come. In addition to these investments, we continue to reinvest in what to date has been the best investment we can make for our owners. By October 2021, we had purchased the maximum number of common units allowable under the NCIB until such time as it was renewed on December 17, 2021, following which we continued with our buyback program. During the year, we acquired over 11 million units for a weighted average price of CAD 11.29, a price well below our year-end net asset value per unit of CAD 17.37. We continue to see our NCIB as a powerful tool for enhancing value for our unitholders, and we will not hesitate to continue to use it anytime our units trade at a significant discount to net asset value. The last area of our capital allocation strategy that I wanted to touch on is our development projects. During the year, we made significant progress at 300 Main, our 40-storey commercial and residential development project in the heart of downtown Winnipeg. Later this month, Earl's Kitchen and Bar will be opening their new location on the ground floor at 300 Main. We look forward to welcoming them to the property. We also have several industrial development projects underway in the U.S., including Blaine 35 in the Twin Cities area, the fifth and final phase of Park 8Ninety in Houston, and Park Lucero East in Phoenix. These projects are generating strong pre-leasing interest, and we look forward to providing updates on leasing progress at these properties over the next several months. In general, we continue to benefit from significant value creation on development projects as building costs continue to be well below our estimated fair market values upon completion. Switching gears from capital allocation initiatives to another important component of our go-forward vision for Artis, and that is our commitment to creating an ESG-minded culture. This commitment is of paramount importance to our Board and to our management team. Behind the scenes, an incredible amount of work has gone into ESG at Artis over the last year from reviewing all Board and committee mandates, charters and policies to overhauling our executive compensation framework to align with best practices in performance-based compensation to the creation of an internal ESG committee that brings together a team of employees across all of our offices that have diverse perspectives, and most importantly, a real commitment to ESG. These are only a few examples of the exciting work we've been doing, and we're looking forward to publishing our annual ESG report in the coming months to share updates on the progress we've made over the last year. So here we are almost at the 1-year anniversary of last year's business transformation plan announcement and we can say with confidence that execution of our plan is well underway. Artis is not the company today that it was a year ago. Our debt metrics have improved. Our net asset value per unit has increased significantly, and we've taken considerable strides towards transforming Artis into a value-investing asset management and investment platform, but there is still lots of work to do. I'd like to thank our trustees and the strong and dedicated team we have at Artis on both sides of the border for their hard work over the last 12 months. It has been an exciting year, and we continue to have strong conviction in our strategy and optimism for the opportunities that lie ahead in 2022. With that, I'll turn it back over to the operator to moderate the question-and-answer session.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And your first question will be from Jenny Ma at BMO Capital Markets.
Jenny Ma
analystOne with regards to Artis' equity ownership in the Cominar entity, will there be a formal distribution associated with this equity ownership? And also, how do you expect the P&L from that piece to be accounted for within Artis' income statement?
Samir Manji
executiveThanks, Jenny. I'll cover the first part of the question and pass it over to Jackie for the second part. As it relates to distributions, we will, in the coming quarters, be providing more information and updates as we make progress in the execution of our plan and strategy with our consortium partners on Cominar. We're going to try to do that in a thoughtful way while also respecting the responsibilities and fiduciary duties we have to our partners in that consortium from a information management standpoint and disclosure standpoint. Suffice it to say that one can do the back of the envelope math on what the structure looks like with the Cominar investment and the near-term focus is going to be on debt reduction versus equity repatriation and/or distributions to equity holders. So again, more to come on that in the months and quarters to come, but we are not anticipating any equity distributions over the course of the, certainly, next 2 or 3 quarters. And I'll pass it over to Jackie.
Jaclyn Koenig
executiveJenny, this investment is going to be an equity accounted investment. So it will show up as a singular line on the balance sheet as well as on our income statement. And then disclosure on our proportionate share of the investment will be in our Note 5 or equity accounted investments.
Jenny Ma
analystOkay. Okay. Great. So when you think about the strategy overall and the business transformation plan, maybe the question is for Samir. Is there any division or component or geography of the portfolio that you would consider to be core to Artis REIT, i.e., not something you would really look to sell ever, if you can help it? Or is everything on the table when you consider how to structure the portfolio over the longer term?
Samir Manji
executiveThanks, Jenny. So again, we will comment further on the plan and strategy in time to come. But suffice it to say, our primary motivation here alongside our consortium partners was what I expressed earlier, and that is our ability to have transacted at a value and price well below what we believe the intrinsic value of the roughly 83 assets that we have retained are worth in the private market, and we look forward to the value creation that this is going to provide to Artis' owners alongside our consortium partners.
Jenny Ma
analystOkay. Maybe I wasn't clear. I meant Artis' current portfolio putting aside the Cominar.
Samir Manji
executiveThank you very much. Thank you very much for clarifying. And so from Artis perspective, specifically, I would say that we continue as we have been working through the implementation of our plan to evaluate where we believe the best growth opportunities lie in our direct ownership component of our asset base. And I would say that when I think about North America, there are several markets that continue to have very strong growth factors in play or growth forces that bring us confidence. And the idea that some markets and some assets will remain core is an interesting one. What I would say is, generally speaking, we look at a market like Greater Phoenix, we look at markets and more specifically, asset classes within those markets, such as Western Canada and our retail assets, our industrial assets in those markets as core. Having said that, we are going to be entrepreneurial and as stewards of the capital of our owners, if something preemptive, unsolicited comes our way at a minimum, we have to consider it, and we will share that and present that to the Board's Investment Committee for their knowledge and ultimately, their deliberation and consideration.
Jenny Ma
analystOkay. Great. And then maybe one last question on the operations side. Looking at the mark-to-market on the in-place rent versus market and for the industrial portfolio, it seems to be fairly flat. I'm just wondering why that is the case given how strong the industrial market is. I know you've got various geographies and some assets are on the smaller side, but maybe a bit of color on why there isn't much of a differential and what you might be expecting over the near term?
Kim Riley
executiveThanks, Jenny. I can take that one. So the industrial rents, I would agree with you. They are growing in every market. And in looking at the detail, it looks like there's a few leases that are coming up that have amortization that's built into the rates. So those rates that we put into the table are conservative. And obviously, we're going to work with our leasing teams to do the best that we can. In the last few leases that have come up, we've been able to achieve rates that are higher than the rates that are in place. So we have every confidence that we're going to be able to do better than what's in that table. And again, those numbers are just conservative.
Jenny Ma
analystCan you give us a bit more color on how much better the recent leases have been coming in at?
Kim Riley
executiveI don't know if we have a percentage in mind, but a few percent -- so this year, our [ wary ] was 4%, so hopefully, we can be able to achieve something similar going forward. Industrial rates are increasing in every market, literally day by day, we see them getting higher and you do a deal at one rate and a month later, you think you could have done a better deal. So I think it's probably a little bit difficult to say exactly what percentage we could get. But given the growth in the industrial market and the strength of the industrial market, I think it's easy to say that we will be able to do better and do as best as we can.
Operator
operatorNext question will be from Jonathan Kelcher at TD Securities.
Jonathan Kelcher
analystJust going back to the Cominar investment. The 18% prefs, how long do you expect those to be outstanding?
Samir Manji
executiveJonathan, thanks for the question. We have structured the 18% so that we have a 1.18 MOIC. So at a minimum, even if that pref gets extinguished in less than a year, we will achieve the full 18%. We will provide a bit more color and disclosure on that as we move forward. But it is not required to be repaid earlier than a year, and in fact, has a 3-year term attached to it.
Jonathan Kelcher
analystOkay. And that's cash, 18%...
Samir Manji
executiveNo. We have incorporated a big provision. So there is the option for the consortium to accrue and compound it.
Jonathan Kelcher
analystOkay. So that's more likely scenario?
Samir Manji
executiveIn the short term, yes, again, the overall structure requires for preference to certain participants in the capital stack from a debt perspective to have priority in debt reduction, which we are very comfortable with in light of the -- as I commented earlier, the intrinsic value of the underlying assets.
Jonathan Kelcher
analystOkay. And then I guess, in your $213 million or $14 million into the Cominar investment. Would I be right in thinking that Sandpiper will get paid just over $1 million annually on the Cominar investment? Or how should we think about that?
Samir Manji
executiveNo. This is no longer a public security investment. So Artis will not be paying Sandpiper any fees from the investment that Artis has made.
Jonathan Kelcher
analystOkay. And then lastly, you announced the stake in Dream. How many names would be in your public securities portfolio right now?
Samir Manji
executiveJonathan, we're not going to comment on that at this point. What we will continue to do as we navigate forward is to disclose either on a need to basis or when we believe it is of strategic value and benefit. And I appreciate that's not your question, but that will include the number of public securities that we have on our balance sheet. One can do the back of the napkin math in so far is what we have disclosed to date and the fact that the dollar value of those investments relative to what we announced on the 10% crossing on Dream Office represents.
Jonathan Kelcher
analystOkay. And then -- and just lastly, back to the 18%, that will be in FFO, correct -- that's income in FFO?
Jaclyn Koenig
executiveThat's correct.
Operator
operatorThe next question will be from [ Nick Rock at the The Score REIT ].
Unknown Analyst
analystIt's nice to see the leasing spreads going up about 100% over last year, so well done on that. One of the indicators, the SP NOI. Just curious if you can provide a little color on the plan to get that back into a positive territory. And second question is, do you have a sensitivity laid out for SP NOI spreads above or below 0 about how much it hits the NAV?
Jaclyn Koenig
executiveI can address the first question. So in reviewing the SP NOI over the last year, the main drivers of SP NOI kind of the same as they were last quarter. Most of those properties have been re-leased, so in the coming quarters, that should be improving. There are a couple of pockets in our Minneapolis industrial portfolio that we are working on right now. And so we hope to have some positive news on those going forward. So overall, in the year, looking ahead, there should be significant improvements to SP NOI. And then could you repeat the second question? I'm not sure that we understand...
Unknown Analyst
analystSorry about that. Yes, I was wondering if you're willing to provide any sensitivities as far as SP NOI relating to net asset value, knowing that when you're percent below 0 versus a percent above your sort of adds or moves net asset value to the company. Just curious if you have any color on that. But I think you did sort of asked the question that you expect a significant improvement over the year. Are you saying that you -- it appears that they'll be starting to have positive NOI or SP NOI by the end of this year?
Samir Manji
executiveYes. Maybe I'll -- now that we have that clarity, thank you for that, Nick. This does not generally impact our net asset value per unit calculation. Generally, from a valuation standpoint, the approach that one uses is to use normalized NOI market cap rates and then market cap rates in establishing fair value on our assets. And so the short- to medium-term fluctuation in NOI will not have a bearing on net asset value per unit.
Operator
operatorNext question will be from Matt Kornack at National Bank Financial.
Matt Kornack
analystJust a quick follow-up on the Cominar questions that you had earlier. Is there a potential -- or can you kind of speak to your ability or control to potentially purchase some of the assets and bring them on balance sheet? Or is this purely kind of realize the discount to NAV story in that vehicle?
Samir Manji
executiveThanks for the question, Matt. The opportunity to acquire assets within that portfolio is available to Artis as it is to each member of the consortium, but we anticipate our focus in regards to this investment is going to lie more towards the latter scenario that you touched on in seeing value creation without having to put any assets onto our balance sheet. It doesn't mean we won't. Again, that's open for consideration as we move forward. But that's not going to be the driving factor in the execution of our investment strategy here.
Matt Kornack
analystOkay. Fair enough. And then there are some gems obviously, and what you've got there. Are you in the process of selling any of those kind of core assets at this point? Or is that process -- I mean, I guess you've just closed, but what should we think timing-wise on that process?
Samir Manji
executiveThis is going to be a multiyear strategy. And what I would say, and this I think is a reflection of what we commented on earlier in so far as the intrinsic value of what we have acquired together with our consortium partners. But for the benefit of our owners of Artis for our pro rata share is that we, leading up to and even in the short period after closing earlier this week, have had a significant inbound interest unsolicited with buyers who have interest in, I would say, a wide range of individual assets, not just the trophies, and there are some, as you put it, real gems in the portfolio. There's a -- quite a mix of assets. And again, this was part of our thesis, both on the Artis Sandpiper front, but also as a consortium as a whole that there were in this portfolio not only some jewels, but really assets across the spectrum that in the current market environment, have significant liquidity and value, and we look forward to seeing that play out as we move forward.
Matt Kornack
analystOkay. Fair enough. I had a thought for that one as you can imagine. But I'm sure you guys will do well on top of those assets. On the Calgary office portfolio that was sold, can you just give us a sense, I know that there was a large vacancy. So I'm not sure if there would be a big NOI impact subsequent. Could you give us any sense as to what the NOI in Q4 attributable to that portfolio would have been?
Jaclyn Koenig
executiveYes. I can comment. So we can get that number for you. We don't have it right now, but I would say there was a significant amount of vacancy in the portfolio overall. So I think it will be a fairly small impact. Obviously, there will be an impact. But yes, they definitely were not sold on a cap rate basis. It was more on a price per square foot basis.
Matt Kornack
analystFair enough. Yes, if it's possible, just so we don't miss on the modeling side and trying to attribute the cap rate because, yes, it seems like it was more per square foot number. And then lastly for me from a modeling standpoint, just on 360 Main in terms of the remaining capital outlay on that as well as kind of timing. I know multifamily, in particular, can be a little bit lumpy in terms of when it comes on and lease-up and the impact there. But can you give us a sense as to how that's progressing, how we should think of lease-up and the NOI contribution there?
Jaclyn Koenig
executiveYes. So we have occupancy, as Samir mentioned, Earl will be opening in the next few weeks, which is very exciting. So there will be some NOI contribution towards the end of the year. They have a few months of free rent. And then we're looking at occupancy for the first 20 floors kind of towards the latter part of the year. So again, NOI coming on late Q3, early Q4. And we're already pre-leasing and have a lot of good activity and interest there. So we're excited about that. Excited to see some NOI coming on and the project getting closer to completion.
Matt Kornack
analystAnd I guess, as we look at 2023, is that a fully stabilized year? Or should we kind of think of it as being stabilized in the second half of 2023?
Jaclyn Koenig
executiveYes, definitely in the second half of 2023. So the first 20 floors will be 2022, still just coming online and lease-up progressing. In 2023, the second half will come on, so the top 20 floors. So they will still be in that leasing stage probably throughout most of 2023. So kind of towards the end of 2023, hopefully stabilizing in 2024.
Operator
operatorAnd your next question will be from Jimmy Shan at RBC Capital Markets.
Khing Shan
analystI just wanted to get a better understanding of the cap structure of the new entity of Cominar. Presumably, you'll be disclosing that next quarter, but kind of on the numbers, what does the capital stack look like?
Samir Manji
executiveMore interest in Cominar than there is in Artis on this call. But thank you for the question, Jimmy. We have not disclosed the overall cap structure. One, again, can do some back of the envelope math on what our equity ownership interest and the corresponding ratio that those dollars represent would reflect in so far as the total equity that has been invested in the privatization. And from there, one can glean that behind that equity is a significant amount of leverage, but it's a level of leverage that the consortium is very comfortable with relative to the intrinsic value of the underlying real estate. And so it does have multiple components in so far as the debt side of it, including mortgages, line of credit. We still have some work to do and some determination to be confirmed around what the debenture holders wish to do that have the option in the next 30 days to be able to redeem or to maintain their ownership in most of the series involved within the historic Cominar structure. And so again, we're very comfortable with what this all translates into. We are going to focus, as I mentioned earlier, over certainly 2022 in reducing significantly the leverage within that overall capital structure, and that should get us to a far more reasonable overall leverage ratio as it relates to fair value or intrinsic value of the assets.
Khing Shan
analystOkay. And then the pref equity beyond the $100 million [indiscernible] what's the size of the total pref equity bucket?
Samir Manji
executiveSo again, that's part and parcel of the overall capital structure. I actually view both the junior and the senior pref as leverage. So consider the $100 million and whatever the senior tranche or piece of the structure is consider that as, again, part of leverage, and we anticipate that alongside the other debt elements that, that collectively will continue to reduce in an accelerated manner over the course of 2022.
Khing Shan
analystOkay. And sorry, just on the pref equity again. So to pick coupon 3-year term, but it can be called earlier than a year. So that's why you cannot guarantee the [ 1.18 ]. Is that how I think about it? Then basically, from an FFO impact, you've got 1 years’ worth of income.
Samir Manji
executiveThat's right.
Khing Shan
analystYes. Okay. Okay. And presumably, you guys are running kind of who's leading the charge in making sort of asset allocation decisions and leasing decisions at Cominar, I presume it would be to you guys?
Samir Manji
executiveWe, alongside our partners have established a formal governance structure that includes a 9-member Board. Artis has 2 board seats within that group of 9. Sandpiper has 2 board seats. And so we feel very comfortable in the representation we have within that decision-making body.
Khing Shan
analystOkay. Okay. And then just last for me. On the office portfolio in like the Twin Cities, Madison, maybe can you just talk generally what's happening in those markets as far as leasing and maybe on the investment side, kind of what activity are you seeing in those markets?
Philip Martens
executiveI could take that question. Starting with Madison, Wisconsin, we remain quite pleased with the amount of activity that we're experiencing, we are actually accomplishing leases at larger leases. We've closed one that was just 42,000 feet. And we continue to get strong interest from good credit tenants. And so pleasantly surprised how it has withstood this past couple of years. And so we're hoping that we'll be soon over 90% occupancy. So we're quite pleased with Madison, Wisconsin. Minneapolis office, you have to, in a sense, bifurcate it between suburban and CBD as no surprise. And yet we've been also very encouraged with our progress on leasing, particularly at Stinson, and we can lease that more in the next quarter. But we've had some wonderful success releasing Stinson. For downtown, it remains a struggle, I think, for all landlords and yet we believe we've placed some particularly Canadian Pacific Plaza in a position to respond quickly. We've got an excellent amenity package that we've been working on. And so it's teed up for Suburban. Again, we've had decent activity, particularly at 61 Carlson. So we're finding that the office market in Minneapolis suburbs is strengthening.
Khing Shan
analystOkay. And maybe just if you're seeing any activity on the sales side of things.
Philip Martens
executiveAnd Jimmy, are you talking just sort of general market conditions?
Khing Shan
analystYes, sorry, on the investment side -- yes. I just kind of wondering like how liquidity in the market today, given what's going on?
Philip Martens
executiveThere have not been a lot of transactions, and we are watching paying more attention. One example would be cross some CPP [ with history ] towers, and we're watching to see what PIMCO and Zelle are going to do with that asset. So we're -- yes, we're watching, but there have not been a lot of transactions. People have been watching very closely how particularly with the George Floyd scenario that's happened in the last couple of years and see how it plays out for downtown. So we are looking. We are watching.
Samir Manji
executiveI would just add, Jimmy, where we have seen liquidity to Phil's earlier point is in the non-CBD or suburban markets there, even for Artis have been unsolicited LOIs that have been received for non-CBD assets.
Operator
operatorAnd your next question will be from Sumayya Syed at CIBC.
Sumayya Hussain
analystJust to start off with the NCIB activity. So the stocks had a good run. I think it's close to 3- or 4-year high, and it's still at a discount to NAV, but wondering at what minimum discount if it's 20%, 15%, 10%, you would see your units as a compelling investment compared to other opportunities you may be exploring?
Samir Manji
executiveYes. We review this every quarter with the investment committee and the Board and establish ranges that we are comfortable with for our auto buyback within the NCIB. We are not drawing a line at this point on what that number is. Again, we want that flexibility. The Board wants that flexibility. What we would say today, when Artis is trading at a 25% discount to our net asset value, roughly. We certainly believe it represents a compelling opportunity for unitholders to have the NCIB active.
Sumayya Hussain
analystOkay. And you touched on this a little bit, but just wondering in terms of your view on what you could execute this year on asset sales and what asset class or market you're seeing or would be seeing the best prospects for?
Samir Manji
executiveYes. From a planning perspective, we are focused on monetizing certain office assets of ours in -- particularly in the U.S. in light of the large number of Canadian dispositions we did in 2021. Having said that, as we commented on earlier, the opportunity on behalf of unitholders to consider other possibilities as things continue to evolve in the overall marketplace, including unsolicited interest that we might receive. We're going to be very open-minded and do what the Board ultimately believes is in the best interest of the owners.
Sumayya Hussain
analystOkay. And just lastly, on the investment in Dream Office. Is it fair to characterize that as a strategic but passive investment?
Samir Manji
executiveI would say that it is certainly a strategic investment for Artis. I don't think Artis will ever do something that I would describe as purely passive. And so we've had good engagement with the representatives from Dream Office, including Michael Cooper. We like what they're doing. We like the opportunities represents, again, from an intrinsic value perspective. And so I don't think we will ever be truly passive in any investment we make with our unitholders' capital.
Operator
operatorAnd your next question will be from Mike Markidis at Desjardins.
Michael Markidis
analystJust following on Sumayya's question on dispositions, perhaps just a volume ballpark even if it's a wide goal post what we should be thinking about in terms of total dispositions this year?
Samir Manji
executiveI think that rather than giving you goalposts, I'll certainly give you a floor. We anticipate a minimum of $500 million this year of dispositions. And again, I can't -- none of us can predict the future, including, as we touched on already, any unsolicited interest. If we get interest at values that we believe are compelling and would be worthwhile for the Board and its investment committee to consider that's a decision that will ultimately rest in those -- in the hands of those individuals in obviously, collaboration with management and recommendations we would make to the investment committee and the Board. But $500 million would be certainly a floor that one could anticipate.
Michael Markidis
analystOkay. Great. And then I think you mentioned earlier in the call, correct if I got it wrong, but the Phoenix area and Western Canada retail industrial are sort of being identified as the core growth in terms of direct asset ownership for Artis. So should we take that to mean that the dispositions would likely be outside of those markets?
Samir Manji
executiveGenerally speaking, I think that, that would be a fair assumption.
Michael Markidis
analystOkay. I hate to be the only person who had been asked to comment or question. So I'll go with that. But is there -- I guess, first off, presumably there's a term in terms of a time or turn to the -- this private vehicle. Are you able to share with us what the finite life would be to the vehicle?
Samir Manji
executiveNo. The consortium led by Canderel has made it very clear that the investor group together is very excited about this investment and particularly some of the unique inherent development possibilities within certain assets And any one, of course, familiar with development nodes, that's not a short-term exercise. So the structure and some specifics around that, again, we want to be thoughtful and respectful of our partners in what we're sharing. But suffice it to say that I think there's going to be certain assets that would have a shorter-term strategy associated with them and others that will have a longer-term plan ahead of us.
Michael Markidis
analystOkay. And do you -- is it possible that throughout the life of this vehicle that Artis aside from potentially it sounds like you're not going to buy any of the assets or you're not thinking about it anyway, too hard, much bigger, but is it possible that you'd have to make an additional capital contribution to execute on this strategy? Or would you say that you've extended all the capital this vehicle that you're willing to at this juncture?
Samir Manji
executiveWe think the probability of having to make an additional capital investment is very low.
Michael Markidis
analystOkay. And then last one for me on that topic. The 18% profit is pretty easy, but perhaps you guys could help us out with just what the FFO yield on your common equity piece would be just at least for a run rate basis to model initially, that would be helpful.
Samir Manji
executiveYes. I don't -- we don't have that visibility at this point. Again, there's a lot of moving parts with respect to this investment. As you know, we just closed and are now going to have the opportunity through the governance structure I touched on earlier, where we also have an investment committee. We have an audit committee stand-alone within that structure to really get under the hood and to be able to now navigate forward as the owners of Cominar. And to the extent that we do have greater visibility on that level of detail moving forward. We will certainly attempt to share that on future quarterly calls. But for now, as it was conveyed earlier, this is going to be a one line item on our financials under equity investments, and we will leave it at that.
Michael Markidis
analystOkay. And back to Artis then, just as we think of that $500 million floor for dispositions, how should we be thinking about the allocation of that capital going forward? Is debt reduction still a priority, buybacks, clearly, at the current level are on the table. Maybe additional comments there would be helpful.
Samir Manji
executiveYes, those would certainly be the 2 natural areas from a capital allocation standpoint, one could anticipate, certainly, the debt reduction side, where we remain committed to maintaining sub-45% leverage, and we may even see that go sub-40% depending on timing issues and capital flow issues of that capital flow related to timing. And then on the NCIB, again, it's going to be largely a product of where our units trade and the discount that we touched on earlier that would make keeping the NCIB active when we continue to trade at a significant discount in place. And then likely looking certainly from an exploratory standpoint at additional investment opportunities, whether it is in industrial development, whether there could be potential opportunistic acquisitions and then, of course, the public security side.
Michael Markidis
analystOkay. And when you guys look at the sub-45 leverage, is that a look through on a proportionately consolidated basis? Or is it just based on the assets that are on the balance sheet?
Samir Manji
executiveNo, that's on assets on the balance sheet. Having said that, longer term, we're not looking to take on higher leverage even off balance sheet. In the short term, when I think about the Cominar investment, there would be elevated leverage there, but I have already touched on the fact and commitment that the consortium has made to seeing that materially reduce in 2022. And we're already in the first few days of our acquisition, we're already well underway, again, based on unsolicited LOIs and interest that we have had inbound.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And next will be Mario Saric at Scotiabank.
Mario Saric
analystJust a couple on the disclosure side, one on Cominar. then you mentioned that it was going to be -- you already going to be equity accounted from an investment standpoint. Is it fair to say that you decided that you won't be providing any proportionate disclosure in the coming quarters? Or is that still a possibility?
Jaclyn Koenig
executiveWe adjusted our MD&A in Q4, and this was to address information provided in the National Instrument 52-112, so we moved our MD&A now to report on our consolidated IFRS numbers. That being said, we've included a new section, which is our equity accounted investments where we're providing additional information on those assets separately. So we are no longer providing a proportional share of balance sheet income statement, but all the relevant information can be found in that new section.
Mario Saric
analystRight. I was wondering whether with Cominar it's awful to follow those kind of applicable guidelines or whether given the size of the investment, whether we could expect maybe a bit more disclosure or a bit less?
Jaclyn Koenig
executiveWe look at that in the coming quarter as we close on the deal. But in our consolidated financial statements, we are still required, and we will be reporting our proportionate share of the balance sheet and income statement. So you'll have our financial statement information in there as well.
Mario Saric
analystOkay. And then just maybe another question on disclosure or maybe perhaps better said on the intrinsic value of the company. Samir, you mentioned kind of the 25% trading discount through IFRS now, which is based off of a stabilized NOI as opposed to, let's say, in place NOI, we can probably do the math. But do you have a sense in terms of what the gap is between kind of the Q4 '21 NOI run rate and then the stabilized NOI that you're using in your IFRS math today?
Samir Manji
executiveNo, we don't have that information, but certainly, we can try and see if that's something we can provide off-line.
Mario Saric
analystOkay. That would be helpful. And then switching gears to the capital recycling environment, more of a broader question from a specific assets or geographies here, but how would you -- how would you characterize the credit markets or the lending environment today given geopolitical risk that we're seeing in Europe relative to where it was kind of 3 to 4 months ago. So like how conducive are the credit markets to you executing on kind of the minimum $500 million in dispositions that you're targeting for this year?
Samir Manji
executiveOur sense is that, generally speaking, the credit markets are open, are liquid and will support the efforts underway. And if we look at what's happening just generally outside of certainly Artis' world, it appears that while, of course, our thoughts and our prayers are with the people of Ukraine as they are with people living in other parts of the world where this instability and conflict has been in place for some time. The world will continue to function and economies will continue to operate. And similarly, we think credit will be available in the near to medium term as it has been historically. It may come depending on specific circumstances and borrowers at different costs or spreads. But again, we don't anticipate from a direct impact standpoint, that's going to have a material impact on others.
Mario Saric
analystAnd then when we look at the various asset costs that you're involved with or looking to becoming involved with, which outclasses stand out to you in terms of having the biggest disconnect or public private market valuation to bide?
Samir Manji
executiveWe've certainly seen a narrowing of that delta across multiple asset classes if we look at what's happening, particularly with cap rates associated with retail and office, which had during the pandemic been most dramatically impacted relative to what we saw with industrial and multifamily, industrial has come off a little bit, as you know, certainly in the public markets context. From a private market standpoint, industrial continues to be very robust. We continue to see cap rates breaking new records in many markets, including some of the markets that Artis operates in. And again, from a private market standpoint, the same could likely be said about multifamily despite the fact that when we look at the public space, certain multifamily names have come off a little bit from their 52-week highs. And then again, on the other end, you see certainly with retail and office, we've seen a reasonable bounce back, and we anticipate that's going to continue as the North American markets alongside other global markets continue to be open. And we certainly hope and look forward to that reopening continuing at a reasonable and sustainable pace.
Operator
operatorAt this time, we have no further questions. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Manji.
Samir Manji
executiveI'll pass it over to Heather. Thank you very much.
Heather Nikkel
executiveThank you very much, operator, and thank you all for joining us today. We wish you and your family's health and happiness and a wonderful weekend ahead.
Operator
operatorThank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does indeed conclude your conference call for today. Once again, thank you for attending. And at this time, we do ask that you please disconnect your lines.
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