RH (RH) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 4, 2020

New York Stock Exchange US Consumer Discretionary Specialty Retail earnings 101 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Allison Malkin

executive
#1

Thanks. Good afternoon, everybody. We appreciate your participation in the Q&A conference call for our first quarter of 2020. Here with me are Gary Friedman, who serves as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, along with Jack Preston, our Chief Financial Officer. Prior to getting started, I want to point out our legal disclaimer, which is that certain remarks we make today will be forward-looking under the federal securities laws, covering statements regarding the outlook for our business and other topics mentioned in the press release we issued today. A number of risks and uncertainties are tied to these forward-looking statements, and those could lead to actual results differing materially. For a more detailed account of the risk factors that might affect our results, please look at our SEC filings and the press release we issued today. Also, keep in mind that these forward-looking statements represent our opinions only as of today's call date, and we take on no obligation to revise them or publicly release the results of any revision in response to new information or future events; additionally, we might discuss non-GAAP financial measures on this call, which adjust our GAAP results to remove the impact of certain items. Additional details about these non-GAAP financial measures, plus a reconciliation of the non-GAAP to GAAP measures, can be found in today's financial results press release. A live broadcast of this call is available as well on the Investor Relations section of our website at ir.rh.com; having said that, I'll hand the call to the operator so our Q&A session can begin. Operator, we're ready for questions.

Michael Lasser

analyst
#2

Evening. I appreciate you taking my question. Gary, what are the components for this year that will deliver positive operating margin expansion? And within that, could you explain the assumption regarding your sales outlook, especially given all the uncertainty around the globe? Perhaps a helpful way to put it is this — what sort of sales environment would make positive operating margin expansion simply unachievable?

Gary Friedman

executive
#3

Well, I'd direct you to our track record — when we shared the 2019 results, I believe that was prior to COVID, when we presented a bridge toward expanding operating margins, and nothing about that bridge has truly changed. There are just adjustments tied to a sales rate lower than what we had expected. And then we've made certain organizational adjustments, as you'd anticipate and as we communicated regarding our expense structure and our spending structure. And we've genuinely attempted to reimagine the business once more. Looking at our history, our DNA is essentially designed for tough times, correct? From the very start, we had to pull ourselves out of a hole of a business called Restoration Hardware that sold entirely different products, that was essentially near bankruptcy, and raised money three times during the first year just to remain alive; we had to reimagine ourselves once more in 2008 and 2009. And while everyone else was essentially shouting value, value, value and lowering quality so they could lower prices, we took the opposite path and reimagined the business entirely, aiming higher and moving quicker. This is essentially another such moment, correct? So — but at the base, if you simply consider the foundation of where we began entering this, we stated we had no less than 200 basis points of operating margin expansion. So the crucial word there is, "at least." So if you begin there and you consider — I'm not sure. Consider Q1, we reported 10% versus, what, 11.8% a year ago, correct? So we faced a fairly difficult Q1. Half of our stores were — every one of our stores was shut for the whole period; we have outlet stores and restaurants and similar things, which generated zero revenue, with no online component. And we managed to kind of guide our teams, and our teams managed to guide their teams through — I've never witnessed a period like this, correct? The most volatile, challenging time for retail business, restaurant business, whoever, all the businesses that have everything shut down, as you can picture. And we were — we only gave up 180 basis points of operating margin; and you can — if you read our press release, we state the business has accelerated, correct? You can sort of look at those figures and picture what it might look like in — and if you simply return to that earlier release, check out the bridge, it contains every element: the outlet business, the shift away from a single-source rug supplier toward a direct sourcing model, the other initiatives we're pursuing in the core business, raising the brand's stature, and so on. I believe we now have a very obvious route to operating margins above 20%, correct? It's — we are — as we keep lifting the brand higher and we — you can watch us become a genuine luxury brand producing luxury-level margins; and if you step back and consider that, you'd ask yourself, what other luxury design furniture brands exist globally, just pose that question to yourself, vertically integrated across every category, running an operation like ours that delivers the productivity we achieve. Luxury apparel labels are plentiful. Luxury jewelry labels are plentiful. Luxury car marques are plentiful. Luxury brands are plentiful in every category. And in our category, I'd contend you genuinely cannot name one. You could name someone who may be a luxury sofa label, an upholstery label, someone who may be a luxury lighting label, someone who may own luxury business pieces; but there truly isn't an operation like ours at any level anywhere on earth; and so — but look, it's a long — as I enjoy saying, it's a long climb up the luxury mountain, correct? And we must earn our way there. We must perform such remarkable work that we force a reconsideration of this brand. I mean it's genuinely fascinating. I sort of grimaced at our team around the table here because the conference call operator introduced us and said, "Welcome to the Restoration Hardware conference call." That isn't our company's name any longer. We're RH. But old perceptions are hard to discard, correct? Same as every analyst on this call. Most of you, I'd say not all of you, most of you still view us as a furniture store. And you sort of benchmark us against Ethan Allen and other sorts of companies. And it isn't even the same business. Like it isn't even close, correct? And so I think everybody will simply need time to sort of, I think, see us the way we're heading; and I think, look, we have to prove ourselves. And I recall all those reports that were published. When our operating margins were 11.4% a couple of years back — actually, a little more than a year back. And a couple of reports said, "Oh, they've reached 11.4%. And Williams-Sonoma at its peak reached 10.5%, and now they've slid to 8.5%. Plus, RH simply can't keep 11.4% going. Bet against it." Correct? And plenty of folks told me things like, "Those operating margins of yours aren't sustainable." Then we moved from 11.4% up to 14.3%. And today you hear the exact same refrain: "Are they able to hold those operating margins?" I mean, this is nothing new for us, correct? Skeptics are something we're accustomed to. Generally speaking, until someone witnesses a thing, they won't accept it — unless they happen to be on the squad building it, correct? The vision belongs to us, nobody else, correct? So we — once that vision reveals itself, once the work turns tangible, that's when everyone will witness it and accept it. Still, I could lay out each and every detail for you at this moment, and you still wouldn't truly grasp the method behind it. You need to join from within.

Michael Lasser

analyst
#4

Go ahead and give it a shot.

Gary Friedman

executive
#5

Sure. Though you get my point, don't you? So, um, but everything's been set out, correct? It's there in that

Jack Preston

executive
#6

This appears in the Q3 letter, Michael — the one for Q3 2019 that came out in December. A potential gain of $4 billion sits right there. And like Gary mentioned, back then what we discussed was an improvement of 200 basis points.

Gary Friedman

executive
#7

At minimum.

Jack Preston

executive
#8

At minimum. And as Gary has hinted, clearly, when we put it that way, there's — within our…

Gary Friedman

executive
#9

We're not going to say at least if we had 200 basis points, right?

Jack Preston

executive
#10

Yes.

Michael Lasser

analyst
#11

Right, got it. Let me squeeze in one more quick question. What you posted for May and for June so far has really stood out. Is the reopening what's behind that? In other words, is the lift coming purely from additional design galleries coming back online? Or within the design galleries that never shut down for very long, are you actually seeing growth that keeps getting faster and bigger?

Gary Friedman

executive
#12

Yes. What I'd say is it's the two of those together. The — even during the stretch when every store and every gallery was shut, once we began bringing galleries back a handful at a time, a couple one week, a couple the next, our business kept climbing week after week. I couldn't tell you which week was our peak. Possibly 10 or so in a single week. It's obvious that having a gallery, having a retail store, makes our business far stronger. Anyone who believes the pandemic means retail stores are finished is, frankly, brain dead; so, as plenty of folks keep saying, well, look, a store isn't needed by anybody these days. Well, any retailer that grabs this moment to actually cut down its store footprint is going to end up cutting down the company. There's no way that works; so, to me, it's a really fascinating moment to just sit back and observe, since people keep asking — folks have come up to me and said, "So will you keep opening galleries? Will you keep opening your stores? Or will you halt? Just look at what Amazon or Instacart or this or that is doing." I understand it. Sure, essential goods, buying toilet paper, that kind of thing. Sure, but retail that demands taste, and style and presentation and imagination and all the rest, humans — I can't speak for anyone else on this call. Did anyone actually enjoy being at home every single day for the last three months?

Michael Lasser

analyst
#13

It certainly has been an interesting one.

Gary Friedman

executive
#14

Is there truly anyone who prefers being stuck indoors, going nowhere, seeing nothing, and having no contact with other folks? Who among us isn't eager for the day when masks become unnecessary? That's how everybody feels. You see it on TV, in the news coverage; it seems as though some places have barely reopened, yet the beaches are completely full. Bars are jammed with patrons, and so on and so forth. So we're genuinely upbeat about our business, about our model. We have an enormous direct business. We believe we're extremely skilled direct retailers, digital retailers, or whatever term you prefer, web retailers. People refer to it by all sorts of labels. To us, it's just another avenue. And we intend to continually make that avenue better. We've got exciting news coming soon about a complete rethink of our entire web platform; a bit of that showed up in my yearly letter to shareholders, and you'll see some of it echoed here since you often need to repeat yourself a great deal before the message lands. Soon, though, you'll be hearing about the world of RH, a gateway that will bring you into the products, places, services and spaces of RH. We'll just keep improving at our craft, so we expect the galleries to trend in a strong direction. The main thing we're wondering about — and I'd guess every retailer is too — is what happens when you reopen, and that breaks into two parts. First, once you reopen, how much of that pent-up demand comes rushing back? How much actually returns? How long does it stick around? What does it end up looking like? Then the second part is which shifts in spending are seismic? Obviously, Wayfair moves from up 18< > to up 19< >, correct? There are plenty of factors behind that. Every one of their rivals — At Home, Bed Bath & Beyond, tons of names in that space — basically every business built around physical stores went under, which pushed everybody over to Wayfair. Wayfair carries an enormous selection in the kitchen and home furnishings categories. Pop over to their site and you'll find something like twenty pages of toasters — roughly 600 different models, if I remember right. On top of that, nobody was going out to restaurants. Dining out just wasn't happening. You would not believe the amount of money my partner dropped at Williams-Sonoma, which happens to be my alma mater. So the real question is: fine, we've got these huge shifts and these boosts that I believe are helping us — obviously, folks are remaining at home. They glance around their living space and think, wow, we're stuck here for the foreseeable future. Let's improve how it looks. There's no travel, no vacations. We're not doing all sorts of other things. So a dramatic change in where money goes is taking place. And can that last? Will there be some kind of payback? What would the schedule look like? We don't have any knowledge about any of it. We can't make any claims. There's just no genuine method to pin down those numbers. Yet we do know that over the long term, folks will continue living in houses; at present, they'll keep purchasing furniture, furnishings, lighting, and things of that nature. And should we offer the finest assortment within the categories we compete in, whether or not a pandemic is happening, shown in the best manner with top value and top service, we'll come out just fine. So — and our attention is on the long term. So I — and I'm not — folks ask me things like, will there be — what about pent-up demand? What about that? Was it like — sure, I have no idea. I truly don't know. I don't know whether we'd act differently if we did. The only thing we know is that, over the long term, we believe we'll create one of the most admired brands anywhere in the world. And that's where our focus lies.

Michael Lasser

analyst
#15

Thank you very.

Gary Friedman

executive
#16

Thank you.

Curtis Nagle

analyst
#17

Evening — actually, good afternoon. I appreciate you fielding this. Gary, I'd like to briefly touch on — well, perhaps not so briefly — the RH Residence side of things, and maybe dig a bit deeper into why this makes sense at this moment and how many years the concept has been in development. How do the unit economics work? Are you working alongside homebuilders on this, or something else? I'd really enjoy hearing more about the vision behind what appears to be quite a significant opportunity.

Gary Friedman

executive
#18

Sure. What we aim to do is share the broad, long-range vision we hold for the company, correct? One that will endure beyond my lifetime. We hold a vision for this brand and this company intended to span multiple generations, right? When you pause and consider — if you pause and consider what we put in writing, sure, it likely startles quite a few people. Yet when you reflect on it, everything is tied together in a quite straightforward manner. Begin with the notion that some possess taste but lack scale, while others have scale but lack taste — and the combination of scale with taste, in our view, is enormous and extends widely. Nothing we do here operates in isolation, right? So everything — it all magnifies and lifts and makes the core brand more valuable. Residences fits exactly that — merely a category of space, right? Consider spaces — we already create spaces. We construct some of the most inspiring spaces anywhere in the world. Consider how those spaces appear — we are fixated on exceptional architecture. Either we locate architecture of historical caliber and adapt it anew, or we construct exceptional architecture. That exceptional architecture magnifies the product; and we do exceptional architecture; we have exceptional interior design. We — whether you look at our rooftops or our gardens, we have exceptional landscape architecture. Think about those categories since — allow me to go into this briefly. Think about those businesses — not one of them is a consumer-facing business. Where can someone locate an architect? Do they keep an office that reflects exceptional architecture? Not really. You don't even know where to look; it resembles searching for a dentist, right? You ask a friend. Where can someone locate a landscape architect? Where can someone locate a full — interior designer? Someone might respond, "Oh, those can be found on house." Sure, that's true, but the business has no physical manifestation. And we do have a physical manifestation of exceptional architecture, exceptional interior design, exceptional landscape architecture. So placing a services business within a business that represents those things strikes me as quite logical. Our interior design operation has performed extremely well, and we think there's room to elevate it substantially. Great architecture is what we practice now — we construct it, we design it, we develop it. We create wonderful sets and wonderful rooms. Our interior design work is excellent; our landscape architecture work is excellent, so those are areas where we genuinely excel. It follows, then, that a services arm makes sense — a broader services operation delivering those capabilities across several companies that don't sell directly to consumers; that's exactly how we managed to build RH, since premium luxury furniture largely isn't sold directly to consumers. Or at minimum, it wasn't, correct? The design districts, the design buildings — I often described it as sitting behind the iron curtain, so to speak, of trade-only design showrooms. To enter those spaces, you must be an interior designer holding a resell license. The same dynamic applies in these other sectors. Consider housing as it stands now. My request to everyone listening tonight: if you have a moment, open Zillow, open Redfin, open whichever real estate site you prefer. Browse 100 houses this evening within a price bracket you imagine we'd compete in. Then report back how many feature excellent architecture, how many feature excellent interior design, and how many feature excellent landscape architecture. Should it reach 1% — should it exceed 1%, you probably reside in a truly exceptional region. Yet even within exceptional regions, the figure is remarkably small. How often do you visit a friend's home and think, "Wow, what beautiful architecture. What great interior design. What great landscape architecture"? Practically never. Practically never. It resembles an entirely uncharted territory. Looking closely at the major homebuilders, they're essentially churning out something — it's no longer a McMansion. Label it however you wish. But it's a churned-out product, correct? And it's a pleasant, well-organized development, yet nobody delivers fully turnkey residences. As Eri frequently tells me, nobody sells you a vehicle lacking an interior. You don't purchase a gorgeous Mercedes, or whatever marque you favor, and receive it with no interior, leaving you to sort it out on your own. I'm unsure how many people on this call have attempted their own interior design or furnished a home themselves. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare even for me, and this is my profession. I own a house in the Napa Valley whose remodel I completed roughly 3.5 years back. It still lacks furniture. That's how difficult it is. It's a pain in the ass. So we understand the difficulty; we understand we're skilled at it; and we believe that if you — regarding work — back when I worked for Howard Lester at Williams-Sonoma, he would say, "You sell the hole, not the drill," correct? Don't sell them the drill. Give them the hole, since that’s what a drill is for, correct? And at Williams-Sonoma, the thing they’ve done incredibly well, right, is sell the concept of pizza rather than the pizza pan. They sell you the notion of pasta, or of baking an apple pie. That means selling the hole, not the drill. So I’m sitting here thinking, well, why couldn’t we — we’re genuinely strong in architecture, genuinely strong in interior design, genuinely strong in landscape architecture. I’m confident we can design and build items and furnishings that people will enjoy. And I believe there’s — when you consider people who have money, okay, and you consider what the single most valuable asset is, time, right? Without question, the most valuable asset. Anyone on this call can work out — if you misplace your money, you can work out how to earn additional money. If you misplace your time, you simply cannot recover it, right? So we spend a lot of thought on businesses that provide time value, because those will grow more valuable. And I recently purchased a house in Beverly Hills. Why did I purchase it? I walked inside, and it was completely furnished.

Gary Friedman

executive
#19

An architect designed it, and the furnishings came from — that same architect doubles as the interior designer. Once every five or seven years he completes a single house, and when it's finished, it's fully finished. I stepped inside. My reaction was, this works for me. That's going to give me back two years of my life; and right away I could move in and start using the house; and we built a test house. Maybe not everyone is aware, but the video should still be accessible online, I believe. Search for Eight Palms, RH Residence. That video is still up. In the Napa Valley we built a test house. We took — watching the video, you can see what we did before and after. We did a — the house we took on was — it sort of needed some love. We redid it entirely, furnished it, and sold it. So more of those are on the way. Just like everything we do, we'll test it; we'll try it; we'll work it. Perfecting it is essential. So stamping these things out is not the plan. I mean once again, the ecosystem's vision is a huge, enormous vision. Like we — I believe we're nearly — I shouldn't say — we — or we — Dave isn't on the phone at this moment; it's like — whether the deal is signed, I'm not sure. Like I don't want to come across as — Allison, did — right, I can't say anything. But suffice it to say there's a place where our first ecosystem will be announced, where an RH Gallery, an RH Guesthouse and RH Residences will all be in a really very cool place. And it'll make a great test; the deal and the vision have been worked on by us for a long time. And these first handful of houses we do are really loved by people. Five — six residences, I think that's what we're going to have, yes. Servicing of the residences will come from the guesthouse; so housekeeping is something you want. Having someone set up and cater a meal at your residence and so on and so forth is something you want. This isn't connected. A vertical, it is not. Visions exist for vertical ones and so on and so forth. But we'll see; how our guesthouses do, we'll see. A new market for privacy and luxury is what we think our guesthouses are going to create. Thinking about the idea of privacy, a very big market is what we think privacy is going to become. Standing back and thinking about privacy, it's the one thing everybody has given away on social media. And the one thing the Internet has taken away is that. Anybody could be Googled by you. Anything can be found out by you. True it may not be, but a lot about almost anybody today can be read by you. But a world where it's so exploited is where I think we are. Very valuable is what privacy is going to become. So when you look at what we're up to with guesthouses, once you actually see it—when the New York location opens—well, the timeline keeps getting pushed off to something else. Then the pandemic hit, and we figured, sure, we'd probably been hoping to launch that fall, but opening a hospitality concept right after a pandemic just seems like tempting fate. So my thinking is, we don't want to launch all 10 of them and then have to shut down if there's another month of shelter in place. Still, what we're going to build in hospitality, I believe, will be something remarkable. Not run-of-the-mill whatsoever. Remarkable. Some of the concepts in our guesthouse have never appeared anywhere in hospitality before. That kind of thing is necessary, because we've got to push the greatest names in hospitality to acknowledge us with respect, since this is one more step up the luxury mountain—and I believe we've nailed it. To me, it's a completely fresh market. Nobody is going after it the way we are. So you think over the long haul, and you consider, hey, if I can have guesthouses that succeed, if that pans out, that model looks really strong. With 10 residences placed above the guesthouse, I'd have a full ecosystem in which our F&B and restaurant services, the room services, the restaurant—you could—at our second guesthouse—did we discuss our second guesthouse—did we discuss our second guesthouse, and where it's located? Yes, we did; it made the news, correct? Yes, it's located in Aspen. So Aspen is where our second guesthouse will be. And down in the basement in Aspen, we'll have our first RH bathhouse and spa. Once you begin picturing these pieces fitting together and forming residential ecosystems that in many ways reinforce, lift and make one another more valuable—then you return to the idea of time, and you reflect on how companies providing time value will grow more valuable, and that's something we believe down to our core. That's exactly why our business does so well today, in our view: there's no need to visit 10 separate showrooms. There's no need to juggle deliveries from a bunch of different vendors. There's no need to spend the time or deal with the headache. We're far simpler. Far less friction, far less time. So all these pieces of the ecosystem—we think we're capable of doing them. Some of them we already handle in one way or another. And the concepts we've got for them are going to turn out really well. And I thought, look, this moment is genuinely insane, isn't it? There's a pandemic; there's civil unrest. There are global trade wars. There's every kind of every kind of wild thing happening. For us, there was no better moment to reveal what we're aiming for over the long haul, even if the only audience is ourselves, even if the only audience is our own team. The world is in need of hope, in need of inspiration, in need of — it needs some positive momentum. It needs a greater amount of light and a smaller amount of darkness. So whether anyone has faith in it at this moment, that doesn't really matter to me. We have faith in it. And the things we have faith in, we typically make real. And we typically do them quite well; so we're not handing you a model in the residence at this point. We do have the models. Every one of them is wrong to some degree. The real question is whether they're more right than wrong. Because the moment you get moving and you actually do something, that's when real learning begins. And that's where the learning curve speeds up, and that's when you start to genuinely improvise and adapt and steer it in the proper direction and do the proper thing. But I believe our vision is far more right than wrong. It's going to be wrong to some degree. I think we're going to — as we do with everything else, we — generally the things we do, we take a real swing at it. We do them relatively well. They don't all work; but if we're half right on this vision, it's a massive idea.

Gary Friedman

executive
#20

Suppose our vision turns out correct even just one time out of four — this business will end up 10 times its current size. When I step back and consider it, I say to myself, look at Elon Musk: he's building electric cars, solar power, space travel, tunnels. My sense is that we humans — we generally don't push ourselves hard enough to discover what's truly achievable. So during the time we have here, we're going to attempt remarkable work; that's what we exist to do; that's how we're wired. And that's what we put our faith in. So I believe we'll be right more often than wrong. And once we demonstrate it, everything will unfold accordingly. So…

Curtis Nagle

analyst
#21

That gives us plenty to digest, and I appreciate it. Yeah, quite a bit to consider. I'll hand it over to somebody else, but yeah, thank you for, I suppose, laying out the vision in more detail, Gary.

Gary Friedman

executive
#22

Of course.

Adrienne Yih

analyst
#23

Hi there, good afternoon. Gary, I want to stay on this topic since I believe it's genuinely groundbreaking; it brings to mind the Baccarat Hotel, doesn't it — taking a luxury brand like that and transforming it into an entirely new business. So my question would be, didn't you actually run a test of this going back to 2016 at Crystal Cove? That was located in Newport Beach. In what ways does it differ? Was the scope limited to interiors only? And what lessons came out of it? Then second, what would the timeline look like for rolling out the services — not the part of the business you described as much more long-term, but rather the services you mentioned before? Thanks so much.

Gary Friedman

executive
#24

Sure. Sure. Yes, that Crystal Cove project in Newport Beach was one where our contract division — the Contract and Hospitality division — worked alongside a builder; essentially we got brought in to handle the interiors, more or less. So it operated as a partnership. In a sense there wasn't much — we had no real control over the architecture, how the homes were designed, that sort of thing; so really it amounted to an interiors-focused job. Plus they were eager to leverage the brand, and I tend to be somewhat cautious about that. We sort of allowed them to make some use of the brand. It's like — generally I feel — and I hope nobody from Crystal Cove is listening, but there isn't a great deal of work that others perform within this particular niche of architecture, interior design, landscape architecture that we think can be done at a higher standard than what we deliver. And so — that's the reason we're confident it will succeed. When you consider the timing for unveiling the services that are going to be rolled out. At this moment, our focus is squarely on lifting the interior design business and putting substantial investment into interior design. You noticed in our press release that we shifted the investment pendulum back in the opposite direction. And we intend to keep investing forcefully in what lies ahead for us. With interior design, we believe we can elevate it to a new tier of professionalism and capability. We'll likely run a test sooner rather than later in some market. Perhaps right here in the Bay Area, at a location where we try out architecture and landscape architecture. Thinking about it — like at present in San Francisco, we have a large new gallery set to open. We have an actual opening here in Marin; they're located right here. Should we test it at those two galleries? Should we repurpose our former San Francisco gallery? I'm not sure whether anyone has laid eyes on it, but it's among the most stunning little buildings in the center of the Design District; Ed Hardy built it — he ranked among the well-known collectors and dealers of antiques, and was one of the pivotal figures at Sotheby's for many years; and he put up this gorgeous palladium building, with lovely garden courtyards. That's the very thing that inspired us, many years ago, to create gardens and rooftop gardens. So we're sitting here asking ourselves, should we simply keep that property? It's ours; the amount we put in is quite modest. Should our services operation move into separate quarters within this gorgeous building that symbolizes so much and — since there's no way we can squeeze into the galleries, correct? There'd be a portion facing consumers. For instance, if you've visited any of our newer galleries, roughly in the center and rear of one of our prototypes, there's RH Interior Design, with highly noticeable offices visible via a glass partition. Eventually, that's going to turn into RH architecture, interior design and landscape architecture. The idea, then, is to have an integrated services business that faces forward, essentially, one that draws people in. Yet you can't truly — operating an entire offices operation out of — in my view, not out of the gallery and not out of that area. My sense is it — it just won't be the right fit, you know? It works well for a consumer-facing portion to interact, greet folks, establish the link, and afterward have an office, a genuine office for the services that's ent — giving you the actual room for folks to work plus the proper equipment and tools, and things like that. So you're going to witness us trying that out. You'll watch us experiment — listen, the residences are arriving quite soon, with the initial market trial happening within the coming 2 years. We're going to expand the ecosystem. You'll learn additional details about that, and our very first test market will be that one. You'll hear — you'll begin hearing regarding the services business. We're going to trial it. That's the reason we wanted the vision shared right now, since you're going to hear additional details about those. You're going to witness them. We'll gradually manage to say more; and afterward we — listen, the largest item on the horizon — near term, the largest item is RH International. Plus we have — are those deals inked? What's the count that are inked? Did we get 1 or 2? One is similar to — practically all of them are set to be inked. And we're figuring out the specifics. Dave, you're not — is Dave present on this call?

Jack Preston

executive
#25

He's not on the speaker line. He asked.

Gary Friedman

executive
#26

He isn't connected to the speaker line. All right. Dave is unable to speak. He's sort of — he made a request to be on it. Okay. He's like — he's likely speaking at this very moment. You folks just can't hear him. We never provided him with a line to speak into. Yet Dave has genuinely mapped out an amazing initial strategy for the brand in Europe. I believe we're simply going to — it's going to be amazing. I mean we — for us it's mind blowing. So I can only picture how consumers will experience it; but the first gallery might open during 2021, in summer 2021. We need to move fairly fast; and it's — spring of 2022 at the latest, though it might be 2021 when we open RH England; that will be followed by — unless the deal falls apart at the final moment, but they're essentially finished, but followed by RH Paris, RH London. We have several others that I won't discuss further. I don't want to jinx anything. I've probably said too much already. But those will — the following 2 will be 2022 or 2023. How complex the architecture is for RH London — it hinges on how far we take it. We're basically connecting three separate buildings, and on top of that there's a stunning roof deck, a restaurant, and plenty of other features. It's going to be incredible, and it'll stand as one of the most exciting stores in all of London. As for what we're building in England — technically just beyond London — it's astonishing. Honestly, both of these rank as the most exciting retail concepts we've ever brought to life, and in their own distinct ways they match or even surpass what we did in New York. One of them is so unique you can't even visualize it. So at some point, we'll need to make a call on one of the things still ahead of us — I'm confident the timing will come together. Most likely, we'll hold it in the format of an Investor/Analyst Day. We'll walk everyone through the material, and we'll put all the visuals on display, so that each person can genuinely, fully take it in. Even so, no one has ever entered Europe in this manner. Not once. No brand has ever delivered a more stunning debut. That prospect has us enormously thrilled. And keep in mind that roughly 75% of our business should sit beyond the United States. That's what the model is supposed to look like. That's the essence of the wealth model. It's also how LVMH, Kering, and everyone else, including Hermes, operate. So as you consider those elements and our direction, that's the big picture. But indeed, it will all begin to unfold, which is exactly why we made it public. We figured now is an excellent moment to attempt to be forward-looking and motivating—and not for anyone else's sake, only for our own.

Adrienne Yih

analyst
#27

Honestly, that's really motivating — and that first part is definitely something we'll be keeping an eye on. Thanks so much.

Gary Friedman

executive
#28

Appreciate it.

Chuck Grom

analyst
#29

Thanks. Good afternoon. Could you discuss how quickly people are coming through certain channels — perhaps the galleries, outlet stores, and restaurants — since reopening? Also, could you remind us — you just mentioned this — what you expect regarding gallery openings for the rest of 2020 and going into 2021? Thank you.

Gary Friedman

executive
#30

Sure, sure. So yes, if you begin with retail stores, we don't see heavy foot traffic there, correct? Ours is a fairly low-traffic operation, unless restaurants are involved; and at present, regarding the restaurants — 4 are open, which is just half. They've been operating for 1 or 2 weeks. They're running at limited capacity, at roughly only 50% capacity, I believe. So yes, counting traffic isn't really what we do. And we — our business is simply — as we like to put it — mall traffic isn't something we truly worry about; it appears that those with enough time to stroll the mall have nothing else to spend but the day, correct? So generally, we discuss building our own destination and keeping fewer of the right customers within our galleries. That's among the reasons you'll notice certain changes we're implementing in New York, even regarding the hospitality experience, somewhat influenced by COVID and needing — having to function with social distancing. But the simple truth is that in New York, our barista bar and wine bar sort of turned into — we began to turn into the finest free WeWork, the finest free Soho House, the finest — a far superior Starbucks, and we're giving lots of people coffee and similar things. And they're lounging on our furniture all day, which makes selling difficult. So we're going to — we're adjusting things so there's actually less traffic, because traffic isn't really the point; what matters is the right traffic, correct, in our business; that's our focus. And traffic isn't even something we mention. The right customers are what we actually discuss. So we don't really — we view it through a different lens. But regarding gallery openings for 2020 and 2021, Charlotte is opening around the middle of June. We have — RH Marin will open near the end of June or early July. We simply have to deal with local restrictions and such. We're ready; the merchandise is all there. It looks great. The landscape looks amazing. We've got a — we're still — Dave, if you're on the phone, we need to adjust the lighting around the crown moldings. But that's the only small item remaining. I visited last night. But — and then RH San Francisco might open in the fourth quarter. We basically halted construction everywhere except Marin and Charlotte. So at this point, we’re starting things back up. With the complexity of bringing everything online and returning, we have to wait and see; as is widely understood, building work rarely goes without hiccups. Still, we managed to get San Francisco finished. After that, we’ll make an announcement next year, a bit later on, once we have greater certainty. And there’s no way to know whether the virus might flare up again during the late third or fourth quarter. Could there be further kinds of interruption, and so forth? What kind of price tag will that carry? Might there be stoppages of work? Those are among the challenges we’re facing; even so, yes, you’ll see 2 or 3 take place this year.

Chuck Grom

analyst
#31

All right, that's useful, Gary. Could you also speak a bit about how the demand curve has been moving in the core portion of the business? I believe you mentioned it was down 11 in 1Q and up 11 thus far in June. Perhaps you could expand a little on what you're observing across products and regions? Any detail at all would be useful. Thank you.

Gary Friedman

executive
#32

Sure; it's a broad-based increase. What I mean is, certain categories you're hearing about generally in the outdoor segment and similar areas are experiencing larger gains, while others behave differently, which makes complete sense. Since people aren't taking vacations, they're likely purchasing outdoor furniture. They'll be spending their time outdoors, so our outdoor season is performing strongly. As for the remaining portions of the business, there's nothing unexpected. The items that sell best for us continue to be our top sellers. And I believe what's going to be intriguing — I touched on this in the letter, not sure whether everyone caught it — is that we're now going to send out a spring interiors book. I suppose there will be a summer interiors book during the summer, a modern book; so at first we had reduced all circulation. We eliminated the books. That's how we managed to — what was the figure, $50 million in advertising expenses that we removed, correct, since we eliminated the books during the first half; and afterward we observed demand returning. The hard part is that our offices had been shut. Consequently, we couldn't photograph all the new merchandise we had. So we're moving the new merchandise to fall, but we did sort of rearrange the pages of the books. We had a few new items that we'd managed to get photographed and we placed them into the books; however, you never want to send out books, you never want to advertise into a huge headwind the way we faced, correct? During those initial several weeks, I believe, three to four weeks, we're — nothing you did could shift demand very much. Even companies that were performing 10 or 15 points better than other companies, suddenly, everything declined. Yes, they didn't remain up. That's the reason you never want to mail a book into the wind; so — but given that the business shifted several weeks back, we asked ourselves, well, do we have sufficient time? Is it possible to improvise? Is it possible to adapt? Is it possible to overcome? Is it possible to get the books into the mail? Because it appears there's — they're returning, and we've got somewhat of a tailwind. And so we simply mailed the books. Now the books might make — I mean they won't do nothing, all right? We're mailing millions of books. Our two highest volume books; and they won't do zero. So yes, but at the same time I don't know what the curve looks like, what the pent-up demand looks like, what — so we don't precisely know. Yes. So it’s possible — hey, maybe things slow down, and then books come back stronger, and we’re still sitting at an 11. Maybe there’s additional demand that’s been held back. And as additional galleries open, that 11 will move to 15 or 17, and then the 17 will move to 25 once books are included. I’m not sure. But if you want my view — as of today, if I were placing a wager, I believe it moves higher, not lower. Not every one of our galleries is open. Only half of our restaurants are open; and a lot of the right customers get brought into our spaces by our restaurants. So at this moment, with the world reopening, we’re feeling far more optimistic than pessimistic and far more excited. And we’ve gained a great deal from going through this pandemic. We’re much stronger because of it. Our people are — the level of imagination and innovation that our teams produced and how to run things differently through this and how to work together, and I mean we’re much stronger coming out of this. We’re a much stronger team. We’re at least 30% stronger than we were, maybe 50%, simply because of what we had to go through.

Chuck Grom

analyst
#33

Thanks, Gary. Good luck.

Gary Friedman

executive
#34

Thank you.

Brian Nagel

analyst
#35

Hello there, good afternoon. I appreciate you taking my question. Gary, this might build slightly on what was asked just before. Obviously, the recovery path looks quite impressive. Your main operation has maintained its strength nicely across Q1 and now into the second fiscal quarter. How much — when you examine what's happening in your locations, how much are you noticing, amid this crisis, shoppers who are new — bringing in a first-time buyer, and that buyer contributing to this better sales trend?

Gary Friedman

executive
#36

I have not observed — or if you check our — I mean, membership is probably the clearest window into that; and so the membership figures appear fairly similar: fresh sign-ups, re-ups, and so forth and so on. Therefore I believe it functions somewhat differently when you consider what we do. Ours is a business built around events. Someone either purchased a different house, is renovating a house or redoing their house. And that merely occurs — it occurs quite rarely. Consequently you could gain a first-time buyer, and that person may walk in and drop a significant sum and complete a design project, and then you may never encounter them again until another 10 years pass. Alternatively they may simply walk in and pick up certain bedding or certain towels and items of that nature. Yet what we do is largely a business built around events, and so it isn't the case that a great many individuals purchased different houses. That information is available to us, correct? So indeed; and so this is something I've long reflected on. While we've argued about it in this setting, we got forced to close; we were posting gains of eight. Our operation in the main operation dropped 40. Consequently we surrendered 48 points of business. Do every one of those individuals suddenly no longer require furniture? No. Do they stop being people — I mean we motivate a great many individuals to purchase furniture, don't we? However the bulk of what we do is — a substantial portion of what we do, I would say, is business driven by necessity, correct? So when you're in a business driven by necessity, should you face a disruption and that disruption — should you have a fine — we — so here's a fascinating thing that befell us. And we didn't simply — during 2008 and 2009, we endured a financial disruption that stuck around forever. By forever, I mean roughly 1.5 years, right, the entire situation collapsed. It was — the market declined. It was an entirely distinct sort of effect. And this one — exactly how lasting is it? Like sure, we can discuss — I mean what does unemployment stand at currently? 40 million? Is it 30 million, 20 million?

Jack Preston

executive
#37

The total is 40 million.

Gary Friedman

executive
#38

Yeah, 40 million. They're coming back, basically. Here's what I'm saying — as of now, about 75% of the folks we furloughed have been brought back, actually closer to 80%. And by next week or the week after, all of them will be in place. We'll hit 100%. Not one furloughed employee is being left out. Across many of these operations, you'll notice a sizable number of people returning. So the way I see it — how much of this right now is just demand that was held back? Sure, you might gain a few new buyers for outdoor furniture. But otherwise, would those purchases have happened six months later or the year after? At this moment, you've dragged that demand ahead of schedule. So what portion is simply timing shifts? What portion is actually durable? Honestly, I don't want to — I'm not trying to call out Wayfair specifically. A number of people think I keep targeting Wayfair. It just strikes me as genuinely noteworthy that their market value sits at about four times what ours is, while we generate far greater profits. Our operating margins came in roughly twenty-something points higher than theirs. Should they ever close that gap with us during our lifetimes, that would take nothing short of a miracle. But the real takeaway is that I'm happy not to be Wayfair. If anybody wants to wager on whether Wayfair can post positive comps next year, absolutely not. They're facing a comparison against 90, and the result will be a decline of 40. That leaves them at 30. Otherwise, there's going to be a significant shift. That's the reason we favor a membership approach rather than one built on promotions, correct? When you've got all these episodic events happening, things get tougher. Running your business becomes more complex, and you have to comp against it. Then Wayfair has to figure out, how do we comp against 90 — a 90 increase when we were actually only running up 18? How is that even done? Barring another health crisis or some other event that pushes everyone to purchase kitchenware, toasters, and all those other necessities and items — I realize we won't be allocating as much next year toward furnishing our houses. We already have brand-new everything, so there's no need for additional coffee makers. No need for additional waffle makers or similar gadgets, since we observe that nightly. And then unexpectedly, you're spending every evening at home; consequently, a few of these items will become somewhat intriguing. Again, that's the reason I tend to pause and think, sure, did we acquire new buyers, this and that. I'm not certain. To be honest, all of those things are pretty minor. If you get too caught up in those tiny details, you'll just end up rearranging small stones, and it might look somewhat different and give you the impression you understand more. But none of that really matters much. Our goal is to identify the major priorities, correct? Which significant opportunities could create real worth, and how do we plan to move those massive boulders? How do we generate genuine value and grab the big openings? Let's say all at once we had better data monitoring and could pinpoint exactly the number of first-time purchasers—would any choice we make actually change because of that? There's nothing there that would matter much from a strategic standpoint, correct? So indeed, we simply aim to improve constantly at the fundamental activities we perform. If we succeed at that, more individuals will rise each morning and consider us when planning their home's design. They'll think of us when in need of a fresh chandelier or a new sofa, and ideally, over the long run, term, consider us when seeking a new house. Absolutely. You must excel at those foundational elements. After that, typically, everything else falls into place on its own.

Brian Nagel

analyst
#39

Appreciate the color. Thank you.

Gary Friedman

executive
#40

Thank you.

Maksim Rakhlenko

analyst
#41

Hi, Maksim here, speaking on behalf of Oliver. We really appreciate you fielding our question. First off, you mentioned that product margins are up considerably on a quarter-to-date basis. Could you perhaps explain what's behind that? Then, on a wider note, when you consider upcoming gallery real estate projects, does the present situation have an impact on that? There are so many store closures happening. Does that leave you in a stronger spot when it comes to continuing to work out these capital-light arrangements? Thank you.

Gary Friedman

executive
#42

Yeah. On product margins, that's again, well, it's all detailed in that — Jack, was that the Q3 press release, all the bridge down to operating margins? A big chunk relates to product margins, lapping the outlet operation, the faster liquidation of inventory from a year earlier. Outlet sales will therefore decline, yet margins will climb substantially, correct? The reason is we shut that DC during Q4 of 2018, and we moved all the outlet merchandise out and sold it at an accelerated pace. So that creates an effect. Another effect comes from shifting away from a single-source rug manufacturing arrangement toward direct sourcing, which is essentially described in that bridge. Then there are simply assorted other items where the businesses were growing, the initiatives we've undertaken, the price adjustments, the price hikes we've implemented, the new collections. When you introduce new collections that are more differentiated and carry higher margin and they succeed, they raise the entire business. We view the business as the top third, the middle third and the bottom third, right? When you bring in merchandise sitting in the top third, it elevates everything, be it sales or margin. However, if you bring in items that perform around the middle, nothing changes. Introduce items in the bottom third, and it pulls everything lower, be it sales or margins; so we've been — I believe we've simply been executing better, making wiser inventory and product investments that are pushing margins up and so forth. And we're also just — for example, we — like everyone else, right, regardless of whether this pandemic occurred — and honestly it's wonderful — so let me share this story. We're sitting there thinking, okay, what should we do? Should we run promotions? Gosh, if we promote, will we ruin the model we labored so hard to create, the membership? Yet we have convertible debt maturing. What if the business remains down 40? What if it drops 50? All the modeling we've got to run. And we did nothing on Memorial Day; we ran zero promotions. And our gallery leader — during one of our calls with our — all of our teams, our gallery leader based in Toronto, said, "Look, Gary, you're the one who told the team that. You told us guys, don’t do that. Don’t take a markdown. Climbing that luxury mountain is going to be extremely difficult when you’re on crutches, correct? And we had a visual for that. We said, yeah, we can’t pull it off; we can’t return there, right? So we’re simply operating this business with a lot of discipline. And when you’ve got the right merchandise shown the right way, you’ve got excellent design, excellent quality, and then excellent value, and that value comes from the design and the quality — that mix of design and quality at that price — if it’s excellent value, customers purchase it. And I simply believe we’re — we just continue doing a superior job; and when you do a superior job, you can generate bigger margins. If you do the identical job, you’ll get the identical margins. Do a less good job; you’ll get smaller margins. I mean, it’s really that straightforward. But yes, we examine it very strategically. And we consider how to strategically construct the model we intend to construct; it isn’t by accident that we will have bigger operating margins than last year. I’m quite certain we’ll be the sole one in our category that does, and that’s truly it. And the real estate development deals, yes. I joke about it — it’s like we’re the most appealing person at the dance at this moment. And plenty of people want to dance with us because yes, we’re creating not just the most gorgeous and inspiring retail experiences that I believe the world has ever seen, but they’re among the most productive, I mean, behind Apple; and yes, we — in lots of locations, our new galleries are the subsequent highest volume experience. And in certain locations, we might be higher volume than Apple. And in most locations, we’re higher volume than the department stores, apart from a few of the Nordstroms; but even in some instances, we’re higher volume than them; we’re higher volume than Neiman Marcus in lots of locations. So you’ve got the most gorgeous, inspiring space with a hospitality component that looks like nothing else that is more productive than nearly anything else in the mall. And it makes them all more valuable, puts you in a strong position to build a bridge and do a deal that’s — where everybody wins. So — but that’s why we also paid our rent. Nobody wants to do a deal with anybody who doesn’t pay rent. So I wouldn’t want to be in a lawsuit with any of my landlords at this moment. They’re not going to be nice.

Maksim Rakhlenko

analyst
#43

Understood. Many thanks.

Steven Forbes

analyst
#44

Hello, good afternoon. Gary, there are two subjects I'd like to bring up. Waterworks comes first, and then second, what you mentioned regarding the gap between demand growth and revenue growth, plus the manufacturing network itself. Let's begin with Waterworks, perhaps. Could you update us on that business? Not so much on results, but rather your thinking around possibly integrating that offering and the timing involved.

Gary Friedman

executive
#45

Sure. Well, Waterworks came to us as an opportunistic acquisition at that moment, correct? It wasn't — we had so many large initiatives occupying our attention, yet Waterworks was out marketing themselves and became available; we — it had long sat on our list as a brand we would love to partner with and bring onto the platform we are building. And — but the acquisition was opportunistic, we completed the deal at that point, and frankly, we haven't devoted much attention to it. We've attempted to let them concentrate on their own business and build the strongest business possible. And we're arriving at a point where the timing will be right to consider how to amplify Waterworks on this platform. So there isn't a real time line yet. Everyone has been pulled in different directions and swamped just trying to make it through this stretch. Still, at some point—most likely before this year is over—we'll have a conversation about what that could look like. And it's not as if this topic has never come up before. The real question is just nailing down exactly how and when you go about it. So the opportunity here is a long-term one. My sense is—well, my sense is that the business running on our platform could end up multiple times larger than what it is now. So—and beyond that, the distance between demand and revenue is really tied to how disrupted the supply chain has been. Really, there are three or four things at play, so once the pandemic struck, we moved very aggressively to reduce inventory and scrap orders. And for those first three weeks, that looked like a smart move. Then, once we hit week four, the situation looked somewhat improved, right? And after that, it started to build momentum, is that right? So — when you go ahead and cancel those orders and close things down, it's tough. Manufacturers scaled back. They let workers go. And after that, you had manufacturing operations thrown into disarray, right? Plants were closed, and that happened not just in China and elsewhere around the globe, but also in North America; we have — within our upholstery segment, 57% of that business sits in Asia. That means China, Vietnam, and a handful of other, smaller nations. And 41% of our upholstery segment — which is genuinely our largest line of business — comes from right here at home. It's produced within the United States. And so — and beyond that, we’ve got — a modest portion sits in Italy; and next, when you consider the special order side of that operation, meaning that special order accounts for a massive share, Asia represents 51% of special order; domestic accounts for 47%, correct? So manufacturing here in the United States was under shelter in place, halted, deemed non-essential. Likewise, a bit of it is located in Mexico, right? And essentially halted — Mexico was shut down; and that hurt our outdoor furniture operation since our cushion production both in the U.S. and Mexico was shut down. There were a lot of back orders building up, along with timing delays and things like that, and on top of it, orders were coming in weak. Then we had to try to recover, and at the same time demand kept climbing — it was much stronger than we'd expected. During those first two or three weeks of the pandemic, what happened was impossible to foresee. Like everybody else, we were operating as if at war, trying to dodge the next strike and figure out how to protect the company and the balance sheet. That's a big piece of this. Then there's another piece, which is that customers need — they want their deliveries. And so we have a large number of customers who, for one reason or another, perhaps they own a second home and at present they won’t be there, and we’re delaying deliveries. And so we’ve — that’s a few points involved; and after that — so revenue is accumulating; we’re attempting to make up ground on receipts; thus we have back orders up considerably, all compounding since the back orders keep growing and they’re expected to grow even more because our demand will increase. So — and after that factories returning to operation, but after that they need to get back to full speed; it isn’t so simple; it doesn’t happen instantly, they return and suddenly they’re at 100%. Getting things back on track might take somewhere between 21 and 28 days. Our early numbers point to the bulk of it showing up in Q3 rather than Q4, though reality rarely matches expectations exactly. You could take the sunnier view, and that's what we're doing — most of it should arrive during Q3, with some possibly slipping into Q4. Eventually, once everything is in — and by fully caught up I mean we're back to a reasonably steady, harmonious relationship with the business — yes. And past that point, the question becomes whether orders sitting unfilled for too long start driving up cancellation rates. So we might surrender a point or two on that. I don’t know at this point. Typically, if we meet our dates, they don’t get canceled. However, suppose the factories assure you they'll be operational again within 4 weeks, yet it actually ends up taking 8 weeks, and after that a person receives a notice about a delayed order adding another 4 weeks — under those circumstances, some cancellations could occur. So, but a significant disruption exists in that situation. That's the reason we felt compelled to bring attention to it; it's the largest one I've personally encountered. Nothing resembling this has ever come across my experience; so yes, we'll keep providing updates in a somewhat ongoing manner as this develops. Still, I believe our figures are fairly solid. My expectation is that 90%, 95% of it will ultimately come through. A portion might be canceled. Even so, we'll capture the bulk of it. And my sense is that most of it right now, based on how we're viewing things, will land in Q3.

Steven Forbes

analyst
#46

And next, just a brief question. If I look back at 2016 and what happened with RH Modern, right, customers had to be combined somehow to serve them within a certain timeframe, correct? I mean, are customers giving you that same feeling at present? Or are you simply laying out what's going on, and do you sense that there's broad comprehension and recognition of it out there?

Gary Friedman

executive
#47

Yes. At this moment, I would say that for the most part, there is broad comprehension and recognition. Everyone realizes the entire world halts, right? It isn't as though we were at fault, the way it was with Modern. We're — we could attempt to point the finger at the factory; but as far as the customer is concerned, in their thinking, that factory belongs to us, right? So all we could do was make sure we communicated with our customers. I believe everyone faces the same — some version of that same problem. I believe every retailer slashed orders across the board. And should you be in a business that operates on back orders, plenty of retailers lack a back order operation. Furniture companies usually do have one; so I doubt we're the sole company that will find itself in this situation. Ours is likely larger since we may have stronger results in certain categories within our business; and thanks to our very robust sort of direct operation, online operation, we likely — at least on the larger product furniture portion of the business, the lighting portion of the business, things of that nature, setting aside the sort of housewares, kitchenware, those sorts of operations that are generating enormous gains for plenty of companies, if you sort of separate out the more furniture-focused retailers. And at this moment, right, none of those other secondary operations exist for us whatsoever. We're extremely clean. We eliminated holiday and all of it. So, I believe when you stack us against others in our category, furniture, we're likely to post the strongest figures in furniture. So as a result we'll likely see a somewhat wider spread between demand and shipped sales. So — but we have plenty of history dealing with spreads like this; typically — you might forfeit a small portion of it. It hinges on how we perform throughout it. If we can — if — the largest problem you face is when you must delay the orders one or two additional times, right? That's the point where cancellations begin to happen.

Steven Forbes

analyst
#48

Thank you, Gary.

Gary Friedman

executive
#49

Yes.

John Baugh

analyst
#50

I appreciate you fielding this. This won't take long. Naturally, should you push operating margins upward eventually to 20%, my assumption would be that return on invested capital rises as well. Still, I wonder, given all those different RH Residence and Guesthouse initiatives, where the capital side fits in. Compared with that margin growth, is it going to be light on capital? Thanks.

Gary Friedman

executive
#51

Yeah. That's a great question — truly a great question. So yes is the answer. With the first guesthouse it isn't; and so — yet we've more or less already put most of that money out the door; so that sits behind us now. However, anything new that gets tested requires some investment. There's — you need inventory to sell and you need something to bring partners in on. When it comes to our guesthouse approach, it will differ from certain others running branded hotels who essentially operate under a flag, teaming with a different hotel company and running a Baccarat Hotel alongside a hotel group or a Bvlgari Hotel alongside some hotel group; we intend to own the entire operation; that said, it doesn't rule out having a development partner. Still, we might strike deals going forward. For example, were we the developer, and we believed that was the proper structure for a deal, then developer is the role we'd take. Take — Aspen, as an example, where we have something like a JV arrangement, correct, involving profits, interest and such. Consequently, we hold various sorts of deals across various locations. In Aspen, capital will be light. New York represents the initial one that's heavy on capital. What allowed us to achieve light capital in Aspen? Since we'd designed something in New York, we possessed something to sell. And we also — consider this — provided we can deliver the worth of our business to a property and that assists the developer in generating worth for themselves, then we're positioned to split that worth. So I think the whole thing really comes down to how well those first few do and how excited folks are about them. And I think those first few really matter there, and you only get one shot at a first impression. So — but this is very different from a West Elm Hotel or — what was the other one that gave it a go, the watch brand Shinola, companies like that. The way I see it, none of those people actually operate their own hotels. The way I see it, they just sign a flag deal. And the way I see it — there isn't a whole lot you actually do in that situation. You more or less tell them, use my furniture, design it this manner, yet you receive a modest slice of revenue from it; so risk stays small, though upside stays small too. The experience isn't genuinely under your control. We — just as I've said, brands that generate time value grow more valuable. Our view is that brands exercising greater control, as opposed to those with less, are going to be worth more over time. In my opinion, one of the largest vulnerabilities brands face right now is the situation where the brand isn't under their control and neither is their distribution; that's among the difficulties facing Ralph Lauren at present. They need to undo all of that terrible distribution. Consider what portion of Ralph Lauren's business sits in truly awful department stores. It's like everything surrounding the brand is making the brand worth less. And by the way, I adore Ralph Lauren, it's among my favorite brands. But that's a tough thing for them to unwind. Like that approach worked for many years, but it's — but they don't conduct much of the business through their own stores, correct? So the experience isn't theirs to control. And if you set that against what Bernard Arnault has accomplished across the last 10 to 15, perhaps 20 years, I believe he anticipated this and he put money into constructing his own platform. At this stage, a growing portion of LVMH's operations owns the whole journey, from the initial idea all the way to the buyer. In my opinion, brands that own that entire journey will end up far more valuable, and they can guide how the brand is experienced at every step. Plus, there's no risk of somebody else dragging their value down. These days, though, you really don't want your brand sitting in a department store. For example, I once sat in a meeting with someone who had a terrific new brand, and this person felt they'd landed a great arrangement, since Nordstrom was going to carry them, or some other retailer was. Take Nordstrom, for instance. Honestly, I'd hate to be running Nordstrom right now. The whole approach is dated, and it isn't a particularly strong one. Everyone in that space got lucky — those department stores got lucky with really low rents. Yet the merchandise isn't something they control. Meanwhile, the people supplying those stores have no say over how customers experience the place, correct? So you end up with something like yikes, what a flawed setup. If you don't own your brand end to end, companies like Amazon—or whatever Amazon evolves into—can come along and eat your lunch. But when a brand genuinely owns the whole chain, from the initial idea all the way through to how it's shown to customers, that's the kind of brand I believe holds real value over the long haul. The luxury industry has already shown this to be true. LVMH stands out as a great illustration—what they've pulled off in real estate strategy is nothing short of brilliant—and Kering has followed a very similar playbook. Hermes too. As a result, their reliance on others keeps shrinking. So in our case, this covers every initiative we're pursuing, absolutely all of them. A guesthouse included—it makes no difference. Whether we're talking about a dining establishment or a residential transaction, it makes no difference. There could be a development partner involved, but the control stays with us. Having ownership is important to us—we want it to be ours. Our goal is excellence, but it's hard to reach greatness when you're basically giving away chunks of your business through licensing deals. No one else will care about it the way you do. No one else will have the same love for it that you feel. And if your goal is to be number one in the world, that's not a route for people who give up easily. You can't just rent something like that. It's not something you can buy. The only route is to construct it yourself.

John Baugh

analyst
#52

Following up on that, Gary, and I realize these deals haven't closed yet, plus you probably don't want to wade into the fine points, but London and Paris aren't free. Would you classify them as capital-light, capital-moderate, or capital-heavy? Any hint you can give?

Gary Friedman

executive
#53

Sure. Two of them, I'd call capital-light. Of the first three, two are capital-light, one is — no, hold on, capital — actually, for one of them we've partnered with Foster and Partners, and they're outstanding. Honestly, they might be the top architect anywhere. They built the Apple campus. The volume of work they do — they're simply that talented. Walking into their offices inspires you; and their initial concept for how these four buildings in London could interlock, when I saw it I thought, absolutely, that's what we need to do; so it'll be — my sense is it resembles a New York-scale investment, though putting New York-scale money into London is exactly what you ought to be doing, correct? New York-scale money into London is what you ought to be doing; and incidentally, New York, two — payback in under two years. That's fantastic. So — my expectation is London follows the same pattern. My expectation is we unlock a completely fresh market. Picture London this way — it's comparable to launching in New York while having zero stores in New Jersey, Connecticut, or anywhere close by. We've got all those locations surrounding it doing business. If I pooled every bit of that volume and crammed it into New York, wow, the money it would generate. So someone could say, fine, you won't capture the entire market. Well, I'm not so sure. If you create something extraordinary alongside a strong direct operation and a strong platform, and you have — nobody else is like us. The competitive field in North America is far deeper than what awaits us in Europe. Far deeper competition in North America. So building brand awareness may take a bit more time, but who knows. In the major cities, they already recognize us. They recognize us. Orders come from them to us. They purchase from us. They've visited our galleries in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and more places like that, Palm Beach. Anyway, the bottom line is it'll be a blend. And it — when two of three are capital-light and one leans capital-heavy, then — looking at it from a capital standpoint, you land in the bottom third, which really isn't — that happens to be the correct third for capital deployment. That said, you want to produce excellent work, correct? So — did New York cost us more than we'd projected? Yes. Is the gallery better than we'd imagined? Yes. Did we put our money in the right place? Getting your money back in 2 years from a flagship location of that kind in New York — go find another retailer who has ever pulled that off with an investment they made — and the majority of folks lose money in New York, correct? They put up a huge store, and they figure they'll never turn a profit. It's basically a billboard; that approach isn't something we follow. Wherever we put capital to work, our goal is to earn a return. And so — but certain things, you have to — courage is required — for instance, you need courage to pursue excellent work. And should London demand an investment on the scale of New York, then fine. You could argue it's the second or third most significant city globally, among the top three. I mean, if you won't invest there, then where will you invest? So, anyway…

John Baugh

analyst
#54

I appreciate all that information. Best of luck. Thank you.

Gary Friedman

executive
#55

Yes, thanks.

Tami Zakaria

analyst
#56

Hello, and I appreciate you answering my question. Mine is quite brief. Could you share some details on what portion of that $150 million in cost reductions you already recorded during the first quarter? Also, are additional savings anticipated for the second quarter? Beyond that, considering you cut some roles back in April, how much of this is truly lasting?

Gary Friedman

executive
#57

That's a fair question. Jack, I'm not sure whether we're able to separate that out — how might we approach looking at that precisely…

Jack Preston

executive
#58

Like Gary said, a portion of those savings is being put back in — that's $90 million, correct. Tami, the breakdown isn't right in front of me at the moment. So perhaps we can circle back on that.

Gary Friedman

executive
#59

Right, so part of that lands in Q1 and another part falls in Q2. The bulk of it came during the first half.

Jack Preston

executive
#60

Right, when you consider the savings on compensation tied to furloughs, clearly those come at the start; and like Gary said, every employee who was furloughed is going to return within the coming weeks. So that was all up front.

Gary Friedman

executive
#61

After that, the advertising expenses were restored, only somewhat afterward, correct? Following that, during the latter half, we achieved certain reductions in ad spending. That amount is being reinstated. Indeed. So indeed, that's a solid inquiry. Allow us — perhaps we'll undertake some analysis regarding it. And possibly when the following quarter arrives, we'll present it in greater detail. Thus we can reveal it such that everyone understands the response; so let's work that out. Solid inquiry; the specifics aren't on hand with us. Indeed.

Tami Zakaria

analyst
#62

Understood, thanks a lot, and good luck out there.

Gary Friedman

executive
#63

Thanks, Tami.

Cristina Fernandez

analyst
#64

Hi there, good afternoon. I've got a couple of quick items as well. First, could you walk us through how the convert gets paid in July — the $300 million versus the $70 million of cash we had when the quarter closed? Is the bulk of that simply free cash flow arriving during the second quarter? Then something a bit more strategic. In retail, the move toward digital has been unmistakable. Perhaps it's less pronounced in your business, but you did introduce virtual design consultations during the quarter. So I'd welcome your perspective on technology and consumer spending — or shifts in consumer habits — and how that might affect your business. Thank you.

Jack Preston

executive
#65

I'll take the first one, Cristina. Like we've told you, the repayment will be in cash, meaning both cash we've produced and cash drawn against our asset base; so in the 10-Q being filed tomorrow, you'll see our availability under the line. And if you assumed we paid the debt down as of today, say, or as of, I believe, May 29th, which is what we had noted, we'd still have $170 million of availability on the line. And so, clearly, given the business trends we're seeing, we'll keep generating free cash flow from there; so…

Gary Friedman

executive
#66

$170 million on the line at the low point after you pay.

Jack Preston

executive
#67

Suppose we were required to — to have paid it off by Friday of last week, that is — so essentially, it's — I'd regard that as a low point. That's the amount that would have been there. If we'd paid it down using the cash we hold plus what's left from the ABL; so once more, we'll produce free cash flow going forward, and by July 15 that will appear somewhat different.

Gary Friedman

executive
#68

Yeah, since we were cash flow negative in Q1, what we expect is that it turns positive across each of the remaining three quarters. Notably positive.

Jack Preston

executive
#69

That's right.

Gary Friedman

executive
#70

Now, regarding the move to digital—look, we intend to—we are committing heavily in this area. In the course of this year, we brought aboard a fresh chief digital experience officer, a person we had pursued for many years. In my view, he ranks among the most imaginative and brilliant individuals in that field. He advised us roughly a decade back—isn't that right, Eri? Indeed. And he'll be with us before long. Plus, we plan to pour substantial resources into a total rethink of our entire website, and it will evolve from being a website into a portal. We hold certain visions for what it can become, and I have no doubt it will transform 100 times. The man who has come onto the team is certain, in my view, to deliver an enormous impact, and beyond him, we'll recruit additional talent as well. Our aim is to assemble the finest minds globally, the finest designers, the finest—drawing on both in-house and outside people, in order to build a leapfrog experience. Something never before accomplished. One that matches the strategic separation we enjoy in the physical realm at present. So—and my sense is that will prove tougher to pull off, correct, since the screen dimensions remain identical. You're operating on a more level playing field. Even so, we possess numerous strong concepts we've contemplated over a long stretch, and at this point we'll commit meaningful capital, and we believe the proper talent is in place. So the change in habits, thinking around technology, or the change in habits. My sense is the move toward—it likely sped up. When you consider the e-commerce sphere, well, you've got—obviously, there's been a compelled change in habits. Consequently, my sense is we likely pushed forward the move toward digital, toward online, by perhaps 3 years, or thereabouts, or maybe 5 years. So the entire online business a year ago stood at what, 15%, 17%, roughly that figure. So—no, those were the forecasts for the current year. But—so perhaps you arrive at 30%, 3 years sooner, 4 years sooner, roughly that, for the entire online business, on a sustainable basis, in a sustainable manner. Thus I don't view that as an enormous transformation. I mean that's—I mean I do consider it an enormous transformation given how brief the period is. I don't believe you're—this won't persist at this spending level. I mean it's quite unlike before. Once more, if what you have in mind is merely fundamental necessities and placing them on reorder via Amazon or whoever else, the shampoo you purchase or wherever you purchase it, whatever item you use, yes, all of that, a compelled change has occurred and it will persist. My sense is much will resemble how it was, only slightly altered, not greatly altered for our business; it will be greatly altered for certain other businesses, correct? Right, so my view is that the main consequence — or really the most significant shift — is that top-tier brands and top-tier retail operators are going to emerge from all this in a far stronger position. Meanwhile, those who were already vulnerable, sitting out there on the periphery, those lacking a — I happened to be speaking with a highly astute investor, someone I'd rank — in my opinion he's among the sharpest individuals I've ever encountered anywhere. His take was this: anyone without a completely unified, seamless multichannel operation that customers find effortless will be finished by 2022, and the current situation only speeds that up. It's hastening the decline of struggling retailers. Take Neiman Marcus — bankruptcy was always in the cards for them. The only question was whether it would arrive 2 years down the road, 3 years down the road, or whether it would simply land right now, which it did. For the less robust operations, everything just moves quicker. So you could call it a purging of sorts. Yet if you look at history, whenever such a purge occurs, fresh things tend to emerge. New growth appears. Fresh concepts reach the marketplace. Novel developments take shape. It looks different, sure, but typically it ends up substantially improved. I don't view this as — it's nothing like the era of horse-drawn transport when suddenly somebody invented the automobile. And today nobody relies on horses to get around. This situation — we're not going to wake up one morning to find that shopping in physical stores has vanished completely; that's not — my read is simply that a migration toward digital purchasing in particular segments and industries and patterns of behavior has been sped up somewhat. So I believe folks become excessively fixated on this. They'll simply misallocate their capital, because they'll chase — the prevailing wisdom will become, oh, everyone needs to be pursuing this. Case in point, right now it's a fantastic moment to work as a consultant, correct? Anyone with some digital sales pitch. They'll say, just look at what the world just went through, now hand over millions to me. And that's simply — it tends to occur following periods like the one we're in. Consultants will roll out some fresh concept, maybe omnichannel, or whatever comes next, or the post-pandemic platform. And they'll peddle plenty of hot air. So really, it's just a transition. Circumstances are — circumstances were bound to change. The timeline just compressed somewhat.

Gary Friedman

executive
#71

Okay, thanks so much, everybody. First off, I want to speak to our team, who has performed incredibly well during this whole period, and to those teammates who were furloughed — welcome back. As for the handful who haven't returned yet, all of us will be — our innovation center at headquarters, where most of the folks who aren't fully back yet work, is going to be able to open next week. Then we can welcome the whole team back. Second, I want to say that in this moment of civil unrest, every person of color and every Black person in America is going through something very hard. To the African-American community and the people who work for us — they already know how we feel. We've told them, and we don't need to announce that to the whole world. We don't need a platform to show off, necessarily; we're going to keep doing our work and set the example within our own company. But let's repeat what we said internally: we stand with you. You simply have to feel a great deal of empathy for what's happening across the world, along with so many lingering, truly awful, terrible patterns of judgment and discrimination. My hope is that the unrest we're living through — which I believe is simply necessary, just necessary — we have to clean it out completely. And yes, is it chaotic? It is. Is it frightening? It is. But it's also necessary, because at times you need fear in this world to make people change. And you have to fight for what you genuinely believe in. There will be people on the margins who exploit it, whether through looting or burning things. That isn't what this is about. That's sadly what's dominating the news coverage. The 99% or 95% of people who are fighting for the freedom they deserve in this country and the respect they deserve in this country, the words in the pledge of allegiance that all of us grew up saying, placing our right hands over the heart — our hearts — and speaking of the land that has justice and liberty for all, not for some. That fight is still going on. But I just want to say all of us are impacted by this, all of us are disturbed by this, and all of us want to consider what's the best way to help. Sometimes it's simply letting people know you genuinely care. So we just want everybody to know we care, particularly our African-American teammates, for whom it must be a hard time to witness this, to be part of this, and to have those things come back up. Just know we care and we are here. And whatever we can do — and if you want to talk, know that your family is here. We're standing with you, even if we can't be physically with you all the time. Alright, look — I simply have to give a shout-out to all our people for the truly amazing effort, the truly amazing labor, the truly amazing creativity, the truly amazing inventiveness they showed during that stretch we've just come out of. And honestly, we've come out far stronger. Whatever fails to finish you off only makes you tougher. So we genuinely can't wait for what's coming next. If another pandemic surge hits us or it doesn't, we'll be prepared; so team resto — team RH is going to be prepared for whatever comes, and we're genuinely thrilled about what lies ahead; so, thank you.

Operator

operator
#72

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.

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