RH (RH) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 9, 2021

New York Stock Exchange US Consumer Discretionary Specialty Retail earnings 110 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Allison Malkin

analyst
#1

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. We appreciate you being with us on this conference call covering the first quarter of fiscal 2021. With me on the line today are Gary Friedman, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, and Jack Preston, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I want to remind everyone about our legal disclaimer: we will make certain forward-looking statements today within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including statements regarding the outlook for our business and other matters referenced in the press release we issued today; these forward-looking statements carry a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. For a more detailed description of the risk factors that may affect our results, please refer to our SEC filings as well as the press release issued today. Please also note that these forward-looking statements reflect our opinions only as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to revise or publicly release the results of any revision to these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. Also, during this call, we may discuss non-GAAP financial measures, which adjust our GAAP results to eliminate the impact of certain items. Additional information regarding these non-GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation of these non-GAAP to GAAP measures can be found in today's financial results press release. A live broadcast of this call is also available on the Investor Relations section of our website at ir.rh.com. With that, I'll turn the call over to Gary.

Gary Friedman

executive
#2

Alright, thank you all. We'll begin by walking through our shareholder letter, which covers both the results and the outlook, and after that we'll take your questions. To our people, our partners, and our shareholders: fiscal 2021 has gotten off to a very strong start, with first-quarter revenues rising 78% compared with a 19% decline a year ago. Total company demand grew 101% in Q1, and RH Core demand rose 109% — the strongest demand trends anywhere in our industry. We keep raising the bar on financial performance among home furnishings retailers, with adjusted operating margin climbing 1,260 basis points in the first quarter to 22.6%, compared with 10% a year earlier. Adjusted net income increased by 375%, while adjusted diluted earnings per share rose 285%, reaching $4.89 per share compared with $1.27 in the prior year. For the quarter, we generated $228 million in adjusted EBITDA and $136 million in free cash flow. As Q1 ended, total net debt stood at $382 million, with trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA of $896 million. By the conclusion of this fiscal year, we expect to have no net debt. Now, regarding our raised fiscal 2021 outlook: reflecting current business trends, we are increasing our revenue growth projection for fiscal 2021 to a range of 25% to 30%, compared with our earlier forecast of 15% to 20%. Our adjusted operating margin is now projected at 23.5% to 24.3% — that's 170 to 250 basis points higher than the 100 to 200 basis points we previously guided, and ROIC should come in above 60%. Turning to the second quarter, we're looking for revenue growth of 35% to 37% with adjusted operating margin between 25.9% and 26.1%. Fiscal 2021 will certainly be a tale of 2 halves, but plenty of data points give us confidence that the momentum carries into the back half of 2021, and that growth picks up in fiscal 2022 and beyond. The factors at play here include a strong market for housing and renovations — each benefiting from delayed demand and lasting momentum — along with an all-time-high stock market, inexpensive borrowing costs, and multiple sizable sectors of our economy coming back online. Beyond all that, people shedding their masks may unleash consumer enthusiasm on the scale of the Roaring Twenties. Town & Country really nailed this mood with a recent magazine cover headline: "Remember Fun? Get Ready for the Comeback!" Add to that the biggest cycle of new product launches in the company's history, kicking off this fall, plus RH International's debut next year — and enjoyable times may indeed lie ahead. You can also take comfort in the fact that our business assumptions and risks have been stress-tested, and we feel sure about holding an adjusted operating margin north of 20% in virtually any economic downturn we could imagine. RH has risen as a luxury brand that produces luxury margins. Over many decades, we have built a brand and a business model alike that yield profitability leading the industry as well as robust returns on invested capital. We also share Bernard Arnault’s view: “Luxury goods are the only area it is possible to make luxury margins.” In fiscal 2020, RH’s adjusted operating margin reached 21.8%, surpassing that of LVMH, and we can now see a clear path to an adjusted operating margin above 25% during the next several years. Regarding our business model, people frequently miss how simple and low-risk what we’ve built really is. I figured it would be useful to point out several of its main characteristics. There is no seasonal inventory; we don’t sell seasonal categories such as Valentine’s Day, Easter, Halloween, Thanksgiving or Christmas. Another thing we avoid is holding inventory in collections or color palettes that are tied to spring, summer, fall or winter, which is common among many home furnishings and home improvement retailers. It took us years to eliminate those categories, and the reason was so we could avoid seasonal markdowns — that is what allows us to operate with margins that are substantially higher. Our fashion risk is limited. Fashion cycles like the ones seen in retail models that rely on frequent discounting are not what drives our business. The major trends underlying our business relate to architecture and the dead. Architectural trends typically move over decades rather than years. Take, for example, the view held by many that the recent modern movement began with Frank Gehry's 1997 launch of the Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao, Spain — the work of a legendary architect. We brought out RH Modern nearly twenty years later, in fall 2015, after enough modern houses and condominiums existed to form a critical mass, which gave rise to a substantial new market. Regarding the deceased: as generations die off, their possessions pass through estate sales, and those sales stock the antiques trade, which in turn drives the high-end interior design business, which then influences the upper-tier reproduction sector; from there, trends continue flowing downward. Should you wonder where the mid-century modern style came from, either run the numbers or stop by a graveyard. Membership. Moving from a promotional approach to a membership one, which is what we did back in 2016, simplified and streamlined how we operate, eliminating the disorder and expenses tied to a customer offering that's always in flux. Membership additionally deepened our relationships with customers, given that most of them rely on our interior designers when furnishing their homes. That moved us away from selling products toward selling spaces, which generated larger average orders and reduced what it costs to acquire customers, as RH has become their go-to pick for luxury home furnishings. Luxury positioning. We've seen that luxury brands are less exposed to economic downturns, since their customers might hold off on spending for a period but don't lose their ability to spend. On top of that, putting money into a home pays off more and more as buyers accumulate wealth and buy additional homes, and that drives greater sales, which brings down advertising expenses and yields a more profitable operating model. A powerful picture of what lies ahead. We entered this decade with that same powerful picture of what lies ahead, a team deeply committed to making it real, and the industry's strongest brand and business model. Our plan is to launch a remarkable quantity of new, creative approaches designed to elevate and expand the RH brand even more. As I also did in my most recent letter to annual shareholders, I'll describe the strategic separation we've put in place and the strategies we're following as we continue pursuing our aim of becoming one of the most admired brands anywhere in the world. Product elevation: within one brand, we've brought together the world's most comprehensive and compelling assortment of luxury home furnishings. Our goods show up across many collections, categories and channels that we control, and because they are so desirable and exclusive, we've been able to achieve revenues and margins that lead the industry. These brands are known by customers as RH Interiors, RH Modern, RH Beach House, RH Ski House, RH Outdoor, RH Rugs, RH Lighting, RH Linens, RH Baby & Child, RH Teen, and Waterworks. We'll keep pushing to raise the design and quality of what we make, and in 2021 we'll introduce RH Contemporary, backed by a 400-page source book, its own website, a national advertising push, and a standalone RH Contemporary gallery in the San Francisco Design District. Over the next few years we also intend to bring out RH Couture Upholstery, RH Bespoke Furniture, and RH Color. Gallery transformation.

Gary Friedman

executive
#3

By transforming our more established stores into multidimensional design galleries that simultaneously double retail revenue and profitability in every market, the RH brand should achieve $5 billion to $6 billion in North American revenues, with an adjusted operating margin in the mid-20s. Such compelling and disruptive physical experiences elevate the worth of our products while creating unmatched strategic differentiation and brand awareness, which lets us seize significant market share while investing less in advertising. This places our competitors in a tough spot, because they are closing or downsizing stores at the very moment we are building the largest specialty stores our industry has ever witnessed. Our galleries, we believe, are delivering a major competitive edge, enabling RH to bring in customers while keeping fixed costs lower than the variable digital ad expenses that storeless or store-shuttering brands face, which can shift from one day to the next. Simply stroll through a mall and you will see that the majority of retail shops are outdated, windowless boxes with no trace of humanity. Typically there is neither fresh air nor natural light. In nearly every retail store, plants perish, and if that is the case, such places cannot be healthy settings for people; that is precisely why we do not construct retail stores. We design uplifting environments where the boundaries between living and shopping, inside and outside, domestic life and hospitality grow indistinct—places full of clean air and daylight, featuring garden courtyards, parks on the roof, eateries and wine bars; environments that engage every sense; and settings impossible to duplicate on the internet. RH Dallas, launched in May of this year, has gotten off to an excellent beginning, and reservations at our rooftop restaurant are taken through August. We intend to launch 3 more design galleries during 2021, among them RH San Francisco, RH Oak Brook, RH Jacksonville, a standalone RH Contemporary gallery debuting in San Francisco, along with our inaugural RH Guesthouse, which opens in New York this autumn. Elevating the brand. We're starting to take the brand past the stage of curating and selling products and into conceptualizing and selling spaces. What we're doing is building an ecosystem of products, services, places and spaces that's designed to elevate our product and make it more valuable, while also establishing the RH brand as a thought leader, a taste maker and a place maker. At the heart of that ecosystem are our products, which include RH Interiors, RH Contemporary, RH Modern, RH Beach House, RH Ski House, RH Outdoor, RH Rugs, RH Lighting, RH Linen, RH Baby & Child, RH Teen and Waterworks. Next, consider the services we offer — RH Interior Design, RH Contract, RH Trade, and RH In-Your-Home. These enhance the value of what we sell and extend the brand into neighboring areas of business that strengthen the core. As an example, we believe RH Interior Design is by now the largest residential design operation in North America, and it has aided our transition from selling products to selling spaces. RH Trade partners with independent interior designers and design firms, working together on projects and serving as a support group that manages the logistics involved in large, intricate designs. RH Contract serves the hospitality and commercial sector, supplying design and logistics assistance for projects that are large in scale and high in volume. RH In-Your-Home improves how customers feel about the whole process, since Furniture Ambassadors oversee each part of your delivery—carrying the sales experience into the home and leaving a memorable, lasting impression. We are also exploring the possibility of expanding what we offer to include RH Architecture and RH Landscape Architecture, as people keep asking us how our galleries, garden courtyards and rooftop parks are designed. Our portfolio spans several concepts. RH Galleries are designed to elevate our products and brand, adding value. RH Restaurants extend the customer experience and drive high-quality incremental traffic to our Galleries. RH Guesthouses aim to create a new market for travelers seeking privacy and luxury within the $200 billion hotel industry. RH Residences offer fully furnished luxury homes, condominiums, and apartments with integrated services, delivering taste and time value to wealthy, affluent, time-starved customers. The venues we are developing—meant to inspire and elevate the brand—will initially feature Plane & Yacht Design and Charter. In that space, customers have the ability to tap into our design knowledge, browse our work online, and book our RH1 and RH2 aircraft, as well as RH3, our luxury yacht, which can be found in the Mediterranean and the Caribbean—places where wealthy, affluent individuals go to travel and vacation. Beyond that, we will be launching our first RH Bath House & Spa inside our Aspen Guesthouse, set to open in the second half of 2022, along with other exciting venues that we will be unveiling over the years ahead. Our view is that when immersive experiences are woven together this tightly, they inspire people to imagine, plan, eat, journey and reside within a world RH has carefully assembled — creating a feeling and bond that no other brand globally can match. That is what we call digital reimagination. We're digitally rethinking the RH brand and business model, inside and out. Internally, that means changing how we innovate, curate and bring together every dynamic part of our brand. Externally, it means bringing customers into the world of RH through a new digital portal that showcases our products, services, places and spaces. This has been a multiyear project, and it started internally last year when we reimagined our Center of Innovation & Product Leadership. That effort will introduce digitally integrated visuals and decision data designed to reinforce the creative process from product ideation through product presentation. Our external work gets underway this fall as we launch Phase 1 of The World of RH, our new digital portal. It will offer rich, immersive content along with simplified navigation and search functionality, all intended to improve the shopping experience and make our product and brand more valuable. We see an opportunity to achieve the same kind of strategic separation online that we have created with our galleries offline, rethinking what a website can and should be. Worldwide growth. We think RH could turn into a $20 billion to $25 billion worldwide brand as it stands today, and perhaps even bigger should certain parts of our ecosystem develop into substantial revenue sources. As we see it, the worldwide competitive landscape is more fragmented and more susceptible to disruption than North America's, and no scaled direct rival comes to mind that has RH's merchandise, operating infrastructure, or brand equity. Our overseas push begins in spring 2022 when RH England, The Gallery at Aynhoe Park, makes its debut — a 73-acre historic estate set out in 1615 by Sir John Soane, who is arguably among the most admired and renowned architects of his era. RH England will feature the Aynhoe Architectural Library, Aynhoe Organic Gardens, the RH Restaurant & Orangery, and the RH Champagne & Caviar Cellar, along with other unique experiences. If France's reopening timeline goes according to plan, we plan to launch RH Paris, The Gallery on the Champs-Elysees, in fall 2022. Guests will pass through imposing gates that are 18 feet tall, then proceed along a decomposed granite walkway bordered by towering hedges until arriving at a garden courtyard. Once there, they will see 18-foot brass doors and pass through a 6 — which leads into a 6-foot atrium, linked by brass staircases that traverse the space together with a glass elevator. At RH Paris there will be a restaurant that looks out over the gardens and draws inspiration from the Grand Palais, a Champagne and Caviar Bar that sparkles on the uppermost level, and a romantic garden on the roof where guests may enjoy an RH Bellini as they take in views of the Eiffel Tower.

Gary Friedman

executive
#4

Altogether, we've locked in 5 sites across Europe — London, Munich and Dusseldorf among them — and we're in the final stages of lease talks on another 5 sites, which should open over the coming 2 to 3 years. Scaling the luxury mountain while creating a peerless brand. Every one of the finest luxury names on earth — Hermes, Chanel, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Cartier, Tiffany and the others — began at the summit of that luxury mountain. No brand has ever launched from the bottom the way we did and then completed the ascent to the top. Our belief is that RH can be the first to complete that ascent, fully aware that those already at the summit may not particularly want us there. The reality is we don't come from their neighborhood, and we aren't on their party guest lists. To complete the ascent, we recognize that our work must be so exceptional that it forces a reconsideration of our brand, compelling those at the summit to tip their hat in respect. This isn't an ascent suited to the faint of heart — it demands imagination, innovation and a great deal of persistence and perspiration; we must be willing to accept short-term pain to generate long-term gain, just as we did in shifting from a promotional to a membership model, elevating our products, transforming our stores, redesigning our operating platform, and running the business with a bias toward earnings rather than revenues as we constructed a financial model to support long-term, high-quality growth. We also recognize that the strategies we're pursuing — opening the largest specialty retail experiences in our industry while most others are shrinking their retail footprint or shutting stores; shifting from a promotional to a membership model while others orient their brands around price rather than product; continuing to mail inspiring source books while many are doing away with catalogs; and declining to join the herd in self-promotion on social media, instead letting our brand be defined by the design and quality of the products and experiences we create — all run directly counter to conventional wisdom and to the plan many in our industry are following. Our belief is that when you step back and consider, first, that we're creating a peerless brand; second, that we're crafting a customer experience impossible to replicate online; and third, that we hold total control of our brand from concept to customer, you come to see that what we're building is exceedingly rare in today's retail landscape and, we'd argue, will prove equally valuable. I want to thank the members of Team RH who embody our values and battle for a cause — a group building a culture of leadership rather than followship, one that aims to innovate rather than duplicate; a group whose people have the courage to keep climbing even when the air thins and the odds grow slim; people willing to be knocked down 10 times and rise 11, as they endeavor to plant the RH flag at the very summit of the luxury mountain. Carpe diem. We'll now take questions on the call.

Chuck Grom

analyst
#5

Amazing work, team. Gary, can we somehow quantify how much categories like outdoor are contributing to overall sales growth? Perhaps the category's penetration in 2018 compared with where you expect '21 to finish. And are there other categories where you think you're seeing outsized growth right now? Those results are simply exceptional.

Gary Friedman

executive
#6

Yeah. Looking at our demand trends, I'd say everything is way up, correct? So — but outdoor ranks among our best-performing categories. I mean, at the high end today, we're the most dominant outdoor brand in the world and have the biggest business in the world at the high end for outdoor by multiples. So you'd expect us to dominate that category, even though lead times are really long, and we've been sold out for a good part of the past year.

Chuck Grom

analyst
#7

Great. And are there any other categories you'd call out apart from outdoor?

Gary Friedman

executive
#8

Again, at — if you look at the core business with 109% demand growth in Q1, every one of them is up substantially. So across all categories, the business is strong.

Chuck Grom

analyst
#9

Thanks. In the shareholder letter you published last week, you said, "We have to be willing to endure short-term pain to drive long-term gain." You brought up quite a few of the business's growing pains from recent years as well; I'm just wondering if there's anything ahead that you had in mind regarding the future outlook.

Gary Friedman

executive
#10

No. It's simply — it's the outlook of putting money in with a long-term perspective to build one of the most admired brands in the world, and that's not a road most people choose to travel. The bulk of the industry, you know, concentrates on copying things and shifting plenty of little stones; our own attention goes toward large stones that generate substantial value. Bringing those to reality can occasionally require several years. So, look—our guidance, as I see it, signals that nothing in the near term appears likely to disturb our results. When we consider where we'll be putting money over the coming years—whether that's international expansion, digital reimagination, product elevation, or any of the other major initiatives we're pursuing—all of it is already baked into our outlook and guidance. That said, every so often we may need to make a sizable investment that pushes the business even further ahead into the future, right? That's how we've ended up with an operating margin that's, I don't know, nearly double that of the next best player in our category.

Adrienne Yih-Tennant

analyst
#11

Let me add my congratulations too. You're as eloquent as ever, Gary. Gary, my question, I think, has to do with the TAM opportunity — or more precisely, the $5 billion to $6 billion sales target for North America along with the $20 billion to $25 billion. You said this fits inside the company's current format. So could you tell me how many galleries back North America, and, more crucially, how many galleries back the business worldwide? And is the focus purely on home furnishings, with nothing in hospitality, B2B, and so on? I was hoping for a little more detail there, and then what I'd follow up with is this: as you open stores in other countries, in all those different cities and countries, are you doing anything around product market research or tailoring things for each individual marketplace? And should we assume every one of those stores brings in the same sales dollar, or is each one different?

Gary Friedman

executive
#12

Adrienne, that's quite a few questions rolled into one. Where should I begin? Let's see. The opportunity when it comes to the $6 billion in North America, $20 billion, $25 billion in the current format, how many galleries in North America and how many galleries internationally? That's a good question. In North America, we've traditionally talked about needing roughly 60 to 70 galleries to really cover the market there. Keep in mind that we constructed our American — we built our North American presence at the same time as we were reshaping the brand and reshaping the business, correct? So our footprint was fairly sensible, located across every major market and every major suburb, and so on. And essentially we consolidated and transformed, and now we're opening large design galleries that replace the earlier footprints. The question is whether you really need that many international galleries as the world keeps evolving and changing, right, as consumers grow more comfortable buying online without seeing products. That's somewhat unknown to us, I think. If there are no indications today that we should have fewer galleries in North America, we wouldn't penetrate the markets the way we penetrate them today with fewer galleries, as we do the math. So even though there's a kind of migration online, you really have to be careful in today's world not to look at the channels independently. I really would caution any retailer who's doing that. To me, judging a business that way seems unwise, since we are physical creatures inhabiting a physical world. The capacity to encounter brands physically and recognize them — to grasp their scale, their product range, their values, their quality, their taste and style — strikes me as essential. So my feeling is that we are expanding worldwide. Could we perhaps construct somewhat fewer galleries? Frankly, I doubt it. I don't think so. Replacing physical stores with online advertising looks to me like a bad call. Why would anyone choose a variable cost structure that might shift from one day to the next just to market a brand? Physical stores, after all, function as major three-dimensional brand-building statements that shoppers can engage with. They're able to feel the merchandise. They're able to engage with the brand. They're able to perceive the size and scale of things. They're able to grasp the taste, quality, and style, across all sorts of levels. Replacing that with some form of digital advertising or another ad format seems to me impossible — particularly when it isn't a fixed-cost format. From where we sit, sure, some of it is customers moving to online channels and so forth, yet even with a brick-and-mortar gallery there is just a natural drift toward digital. That isn't to say it changes everything—it just means that after someone knows your brand and has bought from you before, they might go home and finish a purchase having first viewed the item in a physical location. Anyone who assumes you can close a large number of stores and still hold onto the same share of the market is, to my mind, being naive. So when we look at this, we think our footprint is going to look a lot like North America. That's how we see it at the moment. We're looking into this — on the last call, I think I mentioned that our business basically breaks down as 80% suburbs, 8% to 12% second homes, and 8% in city, urban areas. And I'd expect that to be similar internationally. I don't think it would be wise to say all we need is a single store in the major European cities. I just don't believe we'd achieve the market share we have in North America; it's the same as being in a country or a city — you get a better grasp of the business. Consider Corte Madera, California. If you're at our Center of Innovation there, RH Marin at The Village at Corte Madera sits just four blocks away. These days that mall has no luxury retailer at all. Nordstrom — should you consider it luxury, which I don't — is the top brand store in the center. And if Apple counts as luxury in your book, fine, there's an Apple store; yet no other luxury retailer is present anywhere in that mall. We launched one of our large new galleries at that location. It includes a restaurant, and it will be a tremendous success. If we hadn't been there and lacked an existing store in that mall, we never would have understood what Marin County could offer. Our presence would have been far more limited. Now that our large gallery is complete, I'm confident other luxury brands will soon arrive as well. In fact, I hear Tiffany is currently locking in a location, and since LVMH has bought Tiffany, I think that picture will change. Regarding the merchandise, my sense is we'll wind up looking pretty similar. In my view, the world continues to contract. A lot of people tell me that European homes are smaller. That isn't really true. Certainly, are city dwellings somewhat smaller? Yes, city dwellings are somewhat smaller, and so are the urban demographics across North America. And every item we offer is available in every size. We sell sofas ranging from, what, 6 feet up to whatever — as many feet as you'd like, right? If you want 5 feet, we'll build you a 5-foot sofa. So our products are available in all sorts of sizes. I believe we have the assortment that suits the world. And I think the world is looking for RH. There's nothing comparable out there; and I believe our brand will resonate very well. So I've attempted to address all those questions. I'm not sure whether I overlooked anything. Yes.

Steven Forbes

analyst
#13

Gary, you mentioned in the letter that you'd keep a 20% EBIT margin under any scenario you can imagine, and since I think we're all living in scenario land, I'm curious whether you could give us some color on how you're thinking about the possible paths for demand growth as we move into the back half. And could you put the downside scenario into context — the one you tested in the model — so we can better understand the flexibility you see, or that inherent right in the model that you have.

Gary Friedman

executive
#14

Sure, sure. Honestly, anything that climbs for reasons outside your control won't necessarily remain elevated. The real issue is the duration of that rise. What shape does it take as conditions shift and revert toward some baseline? That said, this isn't a fresh baseline. And I believe it's naive to ignore any of the models. Also, had you spoken with me four weeks ago, my outlook was considerably gloomier than it is now. One month on, my outlook is considerably brighter. There's more information available to us now, and with the team we've built, we're able to spot additional patterns and understand what's going on—not only from our internal figures and the shape of our demand trends, both as we look forward and in terms of what has already occurred and what we expect to occur, but also from conditions in housing, conditions in equities, conditions in the remodeling sector, and the demand that has built up and is waiting to be released. Consider those constructing houses: projects are stretching out longer. Tradespeople are hard to find. Homeowners can't get anyone to take on their remodeling jobs. So all of that tells us they haven't purchased their furniture so far, correct? In a sense, we're the final destination along that path. As a result, there's a certain amount of pent-up demand building up. Many signals suggest to us, when we consider our pipeline and examine it, that things appear quite strong as we look toward the remainder of this year and perhaps into the following year; and once we reach next year, we have some increases, correct? Starting in the latter portion of the second half of this year, we plan to launch a record quantity of new products. For the most part, that will speed up revenues in 2022, correct? A portion will go out during this year, though only a limited amount; when we assess it, we’re essentially looking at today’s patterns. We’ll see some benefit in the back half from recently opened locations and ones currently coming online, plus a bit from new product. But honestly, those efforts are really about positioning us for ’22. That leaves us carrying plenty of momentum into 2022, and at that point we begin expanding overseas. Moving into international markets is quite a different undertaking compared with opening a fresh gallery in North America, because most of our North American galleries function as replacements. Only a handful qualify as something else — Jacksonville, for instance, could be seen as a new market or as growth within the Florida market. Just a couple remain ahead of us where we aren't present — we aren't in Hawaii, and we aren't in Montreal. Whether there's anything beyond that, I honestly can't recall. We aren't...

Executive

executive
#15

Naples, maybe.

Gary Friedman

executive
#16

Naples. Yeah, one could argue that Naples is probably incremental, though it likely isn't fully incremental, because we already operate in a few of those countries. But we aren't in the United Kingdom, right? We aren't in France. We aren't in Germany. We aren't in the Netherlands. We aren't in Spain — I mean, the list goes on and on; so we'll be opening countries, and that's a very different dynamic, right? And it's not just opening countries with a handful of galleries. We're launching in various nations through a multi-dimensional digital portal that folks will be able to use—and the entire country will be able to access the brand. After that, we'll likely figure out our approach to cross-border sales before we've built up our footprint there, including delivery and similar logistics. It's possible we can extend our reach further across the continent. I'm confident some customers will want shipments sent to Russia and the Middle East, and so forth. We'll determine how to manage those situations. We won't formally inaugurate the European continent at the point when we open the initial few galleries. Operationally, it's a little complicated, and the upfront expense would be too high. So we'll kind of figure things out as we go. Still, that gives us an advantage. When you consider the downside scenario — which matters, and we've kept it in view ever since we started seeing this uptick — we asked ourselves how it would unfold. As of today, based on everything I can see and know right now, the remainder of this year looks fairly solid. Could the stock market collapse? I don't know. It might. Could housing activity decelerate? I don't know. Nobody really knows for certain. That said, my information is likely about on par with what you have, and the same holds in reverse—so essentially all of us are making guesses about what lies ahead, and any plan we put together will be off in some respects. What matters is whether our errors are smaller than our correct calls. At this point, I think the forecast we shared with you gets more right than wrong, correct? We also have a habit of leaning somewhat cautious when we project and leaving ourselves a bit of flexibility to maneuver; still, here's how I frame it. When we were constructing our models, we revisited the question and asked ourselves: what would a normal environment have resembled, correct? How would 2020, 2021, and 2022 have appeared in the company's long-term outlook? It would have shown roughly 10% growth for 2020 rather than 8%, since shipping was not possible for us, correct? So COVID didn't truly give us a lift last year. That's the point I attempted to make regarding revenue growth of only 8%, which yields operating margins of 21.8%. Thus it wasn't genuinely a COVID boost in the manner most other retailers experienced one; we carry no cash and carry product, correct? We don't — what do we sell, 0.1% of our sales depart the store with the customer? I can't think of any product we sell that a person would haul around in a bag unless they truly required a towel on that particular day. What we actually operate is a platform built for selling straight to the consumer. All of it ships to people's houses. A large share consists of custom orders. Delivery windows stretch out further, things like that. And these aren't products where you can suddenly throw a switch and announce, hey, we're up 40 and the factories are able to start shipping at that volume. So we're sitting on a sizable backlog that keeps rolling over. Well, that backlog remains; it's about the same magnitude, approximately $150 million on a forward-looking basis. Whether we'll clear all of it this year? We don't know. It all depends on what the trends show. Most likely not all of it will carry over into this year, since as we deliver those products, fresh backlog will accumulate. So we can't say precisely when things will fully settle down. Still, looking at our longer-range plan, we'd have described a typical pattern as roughly 10% growth, another 10%, then 13% to 14% in 2022 when we expanded internationally — and we'd expect a larger jump at that point. So when we assess it, we say: fine, we grew 8% rather than 10%. As for this year — well, you're familiar with the guidance. So next we ask ourselves: suppose 2022 unfolded the way our standard operations typically would — what would that roughly resemble? At that point we're effectively saying, let's return whatever boost COVID gave us. We've done the calculations on how much we received that we really shouldn't have. We subtract that figure — it's a specific amount, and you can work it out yourselves. After that we asked: what if things continue — remember, we're currently in the lengthiest period of economic growth the U.S. has ever recorded, with no downturn. Eventually, something is bound to occur—assuming it never will would be both naive and foolish. You have to prepare yourself. So we ask: what if a 20% economic decline hits in 2022? Consider that—it's a severe one, since it resembles 2008 and 2009, when we dropped roughly 15%. Remove that 20%, taken from the COVID boost. Strip out 20%, and we still hold an operating margin of 20%, just above it. What gives me confidence is precisely how strong our model is. Our model's strength is something I can stand behind when someone asks, "Should I buy your stock?" My answer is always the same. If you're a trader focused on the short term and only care about brief, one-off price swings, then our stock isn't for you. But if you're an investor thinking long term and plan to hold for at least 5 years, you stand to earn substantial returns — just like those who've held since our IPO. You've all seen those figures; the story has plenty of upside. This model is, without question, the strongest one in our sector. Nobody has anything even remotely comparable. It all gets somewhat obscured at the moment since certain companies are enjoying a big COVID-related boost, which makes their business and margins appear stronger. They aren't running promotions. Honestly, nobody is promoting anything these days. I mean, seriously — how could you possibly promote when demand looks the way it does and you can't even secure the inventory? The upside is that none of this touches us, because we have never done promotions, correct? So our margins stay what they are, correct? You can rely on our margins remaining exactly our margins. Would I assume that other companies' margins are going to stay where they are? Absolutely not.

Gary Friedman

executive
#17

When the home industry eventually gets back to something resembling normal, there's simply no chance that the folks who promoted before won't need to promote once more. Believing otherwise would be quite foolish. I'm just glad we shifted from a promotional approach to a membership approach quite a while back, since nothing on our end needs to change. Our margin structure stays exactly what it is. The one factor in that structure possibly giving us a slight boost during this stretch is that our advertising spending is lower. We reduced advertising because we couldn't obtain the merchandise. Had we kept that advertising expense, we likely would have driven more volume; yet spending on advertising and mailing catalogs makes no sense when inventory isn't available, correct? Doing so would amount to nothing but wasting money — striking the match and setting the cash ablaze — so we chose against launching new products and against advertising. And so my feeling is that once advertising investment comes back, we'll have the inventory and we'll see an additional lift on the top line; that's one more point I probably should have covered in the letter, now that I think about it. The reality is that we have — we've scaled back on advertising; so once we begin mailing catalogs again, that too will generate momentum for the business. That's the reason we feel today, Steve, quite confident about how we view the remainder of this year and what next year looks like; and we feel tremendously confident that if circumstances shifted and the home industry surrendered any COVID gains and you layer a recession on top of that and you give back another 20% of the business, we're going to land in the 20% range, and we're going to be positioned to play offense, capture plenty of market share, and do plenty of smart things that I don't think others will be capable of doing.

Steven Forbes

analyst
#18

That was really helpful, Gary. I truly appreciate it. And just as a quick follow-up, it's kind of hard not to feel excited about RH International. So I'm just curious, as we're — what are we, under a year out, correct? What else has to get done to make sure the launch is smooth and seamless as you get ready for this grand opening?

Gary Friedman

executive
#19

Absolutely. Everything you'd imagine. I mean, we need to construct the operational platform from a distribution, logistics, and home delivery standpoint, which we're working on and building; we need to make the inventory investments and be in a position to obtain the inventory, which we're working on. And we couldn't have launched this year if we'd had no inventory, correct? So we had to push everything back by a year. Thank God, we did. We did, because we wouldn't have any goods to sell. So we need the inventory, so build the inventory. And you'll begin to see that reflected on our balance sheet as we build the inventory for international. And then we need to keep building the team. And the good news is — what's the latest poll? How many people from our organization want to work for us internationally?

Executive

executive
#20

Several hundred...

Gary Friedman

executive
#21

Yeah. Several hundred people have already raised their hands from America to go work over in Europe. So we have — and a number of those folks are from Europe itself. So there's a lot of enthusiasm among people who want to help us open up internationally. On top of that, we have a team that's — and we have a leader for international. And we're putting that team together. If you visit our Center of Innovation, you'll see a huge RH International room filled with maps, dots, cities, numbers, volumes, and populations—everything showing what we need to accomplish, where we need to go, and where we should launch home delivery versus where we shouldn't. So yes, we're addressing everything that needs to be done. The good news is that all of this is work we already do here, so nothing is truly new. It's just that in some cases—mostly—everyone speaks English, unlike 50 years ago. Also, the currency involved can differ somewhat, and similar variations come into play. That raises the issue of how the merchandise should be priced. The encouraging part, I believe, is that we examine this closely and review how competing brands set prices for their products. The margin upside may be larger than our original assumption. As a result, our confidence has grown, rather than shrunk, that once RH International starts scaling, it will add to margins instead of reducing them.

Tami Zakaria

analyst
#22

Hi, it's Tami. My first question relates to international openings. In your shareholder letter, I believe you said 10 locations would open altogether across the coming 2 to 3 years; so I'd guess the pace works out to 2 to 3 international launches annually over that 2 to 3 year stretch; does that therefore mean you intend to launch the same count of U.S. and international sites across the next couple of years? What I'm really after is this: what's your gallery opening pace over the next few years? And how does that divide between international and domestic?

Gary Friedman

executive
#23

Sure, sure. Appreciate the question, Tami. Incidentally, you seem to have had a crystal ball — your note arrived just before our announcement, and your projections come quite close to ours, so good job on those models. Regarding how quickly galleries open in North America, I'd say the pace will hold at roughly 3 to 5, or perhaps 4 to 6, depending on how these deals come together. On the international side, my view is that we have 2 in the first year, provided France opens and we can get the work done there. Paris should open either in the fall of next year, or, if COVID-related delays persist and prevent us from getting in to do the necessary work, that could push into the spring of the year after. Beyond that, we have the remaining locations. A number of them are considerably simpler to launch than others — they're less complicated. The initial handful are comparatively complex, and London is comparatively complex as well. Certain ones are less complex, since some have a smaller footprint and allow us to, in a sense, test things out and retain some flexibility. Our goal isn't to get tied down in every market across numerous nations, because if we err there, the error would stick with us forever. On a net basis for Aynhoe in England, the capital commitment will be fairly modest—we acquired the property, put some money in, and we'll arrange a sale leaseback. Paris will absorb more capital; that lease runs long-term. London will also take more capital, and we're further along, so to speak, in Mayfair, where we're essentially piecing together 4 buildings into a spectacular gallery. A number of our other sites are leased for less time, and we're putting in far less capital there, simply to get a read on the markets and on the country itself. The properties and structures are still remarkable. The wonderful thing about Europe, really, is that you find all these magnificent buildings. In the U.S., in North America, you have to hunt for a structure with stature, taste, style and fine architecture. Europe is full of them, so we're big fans of the buildings. We're quite fond of the real estate we're buying. We believe those are the correct locations, although we can't be sure. So we're eager to learn, and that's why we have some locations on shorter-term leases, which gives us flexibility. We'll put in less capital. We won't launch restaurants in every location, since that requires a larger capital outlay; instead we'll test and learn, and then we'll have the flexibility and mobility to make a bigger investment once we understand those markets better. On the consumer side, though, all of them are going to be spectacular. When we look at them, they're a bit smaller. Not every one will include the restaurant investment. Still, a lot of our galleries across North America — the legacy locations we've had for years — do huge volume and perform very well, and the new sites dwarf them in size. A number of these, I'd argue, resemble our 1.0 format galleries like Houston or Boston, where the footprint runs 15,000 to 25,000 square feet (20,000 included) instead of 50,000 to 60,000 square feet.

Michael Lasser

analyst
#24

Gary, what it sounds like you're saying is that over roughly the past 20 years, RH has built a luxury brand unlike anything else that existed in home furnishing. At this point it has pricing power and ought to earn luxury margins, which we've watched you deliver over the last several years. And COVID let you speed that up — raising prices and reaching the margin level that fits, that suits a luxury brand in this market. Is there a scenario where, because of these unusual conditions, you haven't gotten a solid read on elasticity within your core customer segment — or on how big that core segment is — and that could shift once we're on the other side of this? So that's the first part of my question. Then the second part: who are the people in the demographic you've seen coming in and buying? What have they been purchasing over the last couple of months that's driving this level of growth?

Gary Friedman

executive
#25

Let me take the second question first. Honestly, it's kind of a core RH customer — the demographic buying from us isn't any different. There's simply more activity, more movement, more people relocating, more people going from cities out to suburbs, second homes, that kind of thing, and then more people simply refurnishing the homes they're already in, just because they've spent so much time there and really couldn't travel. So people are doing their outdoor spaces and similar projects. All of that has stayed strong. On COVID accelerating anything — it really hasn't accelerated a thing. Not in our case. Sure, this year it will give us a lift. But again, if you simply look back at last year and say on 8% revenue growth — 7.7% revenue growth — we had 21.8% adjusted operating margins, right? So that was below what we'd expected. We'd expected growth of 10% to 11%. And so our model is fairly clean if you trace it through 2020. Then this year you've got some lift. Obviously, we'll be up 25% to 30%. So the way I'd look at it is to model us out over 3 — if you model this at something like 10%, 10% and 13%, you'd be roughly in the right direction, give or take a point here or there; and then the question becomes, what is 2022? Is 2022 a giveback year, a flat year, because the COVID cycle ends and the focus on the home reverts? I mean, it could be. We have things that ought to make it a better year than that, given the fact that we haven't introduced new products. How long has it been now? 18 months at most?

Executive

executive
#26

It will be 2 years in the fall.

Gary Friedman

executive
#27

Alright, so it’ll be two years, okay, this fall, since we last brought out new products. Just think about that for a second. Two years with nothing new at RH. So we have a substantial backlog ready to launch this fall and next spring. The product pipeline alone for the coming 18 to 24 months is extremely dynamic, with new items across every category, right? Across RH Interiors, RH Modern—not only RH Contemporary but Interiors, Modern, Baby & Child, Teen, Beach House, Ski House—a great deal of new product is on the way, along with RH Couture upholstery, RH Bespoke furniture, RH Color, many things we’ve been developing. So that’s a major advantage for us. And then we’re expanding internationally, which is another big advantage, right? That is 100% incremental, right? It’s not simply transforming a gallery in a market already doing $15 million that will go to $30 million, or a $25 million market going to $50 million; these aren’t incremental markets—they’re incremental countries, and really you should think of it more as an incremental continent. Because eventually we’ll open enough galleries in Europe, we’ll have our infrastructure and home delivery sorted out, and then we’ll open up the entire continent. Whether or not we have galleries everywhere, we’ll be able to work that out. The key reason you can’t rush to open up the continent is that you have to sort out reverse logistics, right? You have to work out what you’re going to do with the returns. Because the last thing you want is to suddenly open up the country too soon and end up with a pile of returns in Russia or Copenhagen or places where you have no infrastructure, no outlet infrastructure, and no way to handle the goods—and you’ll just lose a lot of money every single day, right? So we’re just trying to be prudent about how we open up these countries, at what point we have the infrastructure in place and have worked it out—worked out how to handle returns, how to handle the back-end logistics, and how to wire that to change, which a lot of people don’t know. I mean both—but I’m public, so I’ll say it. I mean, we made—in our reverse logistics outlet business, we made—it’s roughly a $200 million business. We’ve had a $100 million difference in profitability in that business over the last 4 years. $100 million, okay? We know what it looks like when that business isn’t run well, and we know what it looks like when it is run well. And you figured it out across all the handling and transportation costs and everything that goes wrong there; so we just want to build a really great business and a really great model there. So we'll take it a bit easier. But if you consider our model and the COVID factor, there's going to be a modest COVID boost this year. Yet looking at the growth coming next year, whether it decelerates or not, given where we stand this year, that's sort of a solid position, since we have other elements that will offset it. The positive side is — and incidentally, we didn't actually make any price changes or hikes tied to COVID, correct? So we simply applied our usual sort of price increases, because that's our practice. As we — and since we possess pricing power and we're a luxury brand, we're able to pass along price increases in other segments of our business. And that's among the benefits you get when you're competing in the luxury space and you have exclusive product and you control the distribution, right? But I wouldn't claim our business has experienced a COVID effect apart from the leverage we'll gain from the large — from a substantial portion of the revenue that's going to land this year.

Steven Zaccone

analyst
#28

Congratulations on the impressive results. Perhaps I could move to the margin topic. With such a robust showing in the first quarter, has anything really shifted in how you think about what drives gross margin compared with SG&A for the full year, relative to the initial guidance you gave back in March? And then, specifically for the second half of the year, with the momentum on gross margin, could gross margin keep expanding?

Gary Friedman

executive
#29

I'm not sure — Jack, would you like to handle that?

Jack Preston

executive
#30

Steven, I believe nothing has really shifted from what we told you last quarter. When you examine what has historically pushed our operating income margin higher, my view is that roughly three-quarters of it comes from gross margin and one-quarter from SG&A; and within gross margin, most of that — say three-quarters — comes from product margin and the steps we discussed around elevating design quality and raising the margin on the goods. That has stayed pretty consistent when we look at the model going back 4 or 5 years, as Gary described the evolution. This year, the comparisons will be a bit unusual given how 2020 unfolded. So clearly, with Q1 down 20% — 19% last year — Q2 flat, and the growth rates we have now, you're going to see some swings in what I'd call the margin deltas versus last year. One thing we were just examining — or that I personally like to examine — is that in the same way people look at 2-year growth rates, I would also look at margin changes on a 2-year basis versus '19. That formula I mentioned earlier holds on an ongoing basis, and I would expect that going forward; and then, to address that point, I think there's opportunity for gross margin to expand. I mean, that opportunity always exists. I think our — you know, our stance on how we communicate guidance and outlook numbers to you, and how our internal models are positioned. But it's something where we do well, we keep elevating the design, the quality and the luxury mountain, and I think you've seen the benefits of that, and I think that will keep accruing to us.

Anthony Chukumba

analyst
#31

Congratulations on a strong opening to the year. Gary, you folks are clearly juggling many things at once right now — a lot of really exciting initiatives, especially the international expansion, plus all the new products and some of these new concepts. So my question is: how are you personally splitting up your time? Because I know — or at least I'd assume — that you're deeply, closely involved in much of this, above all the international expansion. I'd really like to get a clearer picture of that.

Gary Friedman

executive
#32

That's a fair question. Inside our company, we say we truly do 2 things: we allocate human capital and financial capital — and the more important of the two is human capital, meaning how we spend our time. So nothing gets worked on here that the cross-functional leadership team can't tackle together. If you look at the major product initiatives — and think about how those come about over years — by the time you're seeing Contemporary arrive, we've been at work on Contemporary for a long stretch. We've been working on Color for years. It's just that other priorities kept beating it out for launch. Color continues to be deprioritized because we see it as less incremental than other efforts we're tackling sooner, and perhaps less essential for lifting the product brand. Still, each major initiative we pursue draws in the entire leadership team working across functions to shift the big rocks, since every one of them is a big rock. Whether it's product elevation or a gallery transformation, brand elevation and what we're doing there to lift both the product and the brand, what we're doing to digitally reimagine the business — not merely the website, but digitally reimagining how information and data move and how that can amplify the productivity of the teams and their decision-making — and then global expansion: all of these are things we, as a leadership team, devote our time to. We rank everything in this company through a lens of emotional value first, strategic value second and financial value third — in that order, right? Because to do truly great work, you have to believe in it deeply. You've got to feel such enthusiasm for it that you'd pick it above everything else, because producing exceptional, outstanding, and incredible work isn't suited to the timid. It's not simple. To rank as the finest globally in your field is not simple; it requires an enormous quantity of effort. And if you don't deliver that level of effort, that level of commitment won't exist unless real emotional significance is attached to an initiative and a strategy. That's why we focus solely on matters we deeply care about, that we're genuinely in agreement on, that the entire leadership team feels passionate about, since we must chase that together, and we must pour in tremendous effort. Next, we look at whether an idea has strategic worth. How does this idea increase the value of the brand or the business? Does it create strategic separation between us and competitors in our industry? Ideas have to deliver high strategic value. Financial value comes third; in my view, a lot of companies tackle it in exactly the opposite sequence, and that's why their work falls short. Someone puts forward an idea worth $1 billion, and nobody really feels any passion about it. So nobody does the hard work. Nobody — after being knocked down 2 times, they don't get up a third time. If you genuinely care and have real conviction in your work, you can be knocked down 10 times and still get up 11 times. You keep pushing forward simply because you care so much about what you're doing. So those financial ideas that get hyped but don't carry much emotional value usually fail to work out. They become a case of — whatever happened to that $1 billion idea? Right, we ended up — we drove into the ditch, couldn't get out, and it never happened. But the things you truly care about tend to gain worth over time. We might have something with very high emotional value, very high strategic value, and it appears to have moderate financial value. What we've discovered is that as time goes on, people appear — they're working so — their passion is so strong; they put in such hard work; they have a tendency to find additional opportunities and notice more. The work exceeds anything you could have imagined, and its financial worth grows with time; so what you believed was perhaps a $500 million idea becomes a $2 billion idea, since the work is just that good; and so — yet the bulk of our time goes toward debating and determining how we should allocate our human capital, how we should allocate our time, because that's the single most important thing we do. I can always go figure out how to raise additional money; we can go obtain more money. I still haven't worked out a way to create extra hours in the day. What we do instead is decide how our time gets divided up, since time is unquestionably the company's single most precious resource. Looking at all of this, Anthony, it can appear that there's a great deal on our plate. And that's true. These efforts have absorbed years of our work—genuinely years. None of these ideas are new; this is simply the first occasion we're walking you through them. When someone inquired how long the Guesthouse has been in development, my answer was 25 years—going all the way back to my early travels, when the available experiences left me frustrated and I kept wondering why no one offers this or why no one offers that. I came up with the Guesthouse room about 25 years ago, and by the way, you'll see it's much better today. It matters a great deal to me, and to the company as well. If you'd asked me 2 or 3 years ago—even 3 years ago—what I thought about the Guesthouse and how big an idea it would turn out to be, I'd have said yes, I think it'll be great and a really strong concept. Now I'd say it's a concept that redefines things. My belief is that it will create an entirely new market centered on privacy and luxury. I think it's extraordinarily good. It's going to amaze people throughout the industry. That's just because we genuinely care about it, and that kind of passion usually leads to exceptional work. Just like with RH Contemporary, we truly care deeply about it. A team was in last night—actually, they've been here the last few nights until 2 a.m. You couldn't convince them to go home, since they're unbelievably enthusiastic about what they're doing, and they're confident it will succeed and basically change everything. So it might look like we're shouldering quite a lot. By the way, that's just the way we operate. We shoulder plenty. Still, we stay very focused. We know how to pare things down and how to say no to 1,000 things. What you're seeing is the small number of items we picked to prioritize and that we're able to prioritize. You don't really know the full team here. You're not aware of how wide and deep the organization we've built is; this company has a very strong team and plenty of talent, so if you don't give people enough remarkable projects to work on, you risk losing them. They'll go elsewhere where they can do something remarkable. If your goal is the top talent, then you had better be pursuing the most thrilling projects anywhere. If not, they'll leave and join a rival. The worry that we're taking on too much wouldn't cross my mind. As far back as anyone can recall, people have leveled that criticism at us.

Curtis Nagle

analyst
#33

Let me return to the international side for a moment. This may be a bit soon to ask or to judge, but Gary, I'd like to hear your thinking on what the baselines or comps could look like for some of those early markets you're moving into, London and Paris, where you've got those magnificent spaces and a good number of people in those cities definitely know the brand, yet they're still new markets. Are the benchmarks maybe New York? That could be aggressive. Is it L.A., San Fran? How are you framing that? And then a quick modeling question: could you weigh in on what demand trends are doing right now? Do those roughly track what you saw in 1Q, in terms of how they stack up against sell-through?

Gary Friedman

executive
#34

Absolutely, yes. When it comes to international, we view London much the way we view New York. The demographic makeup of the wider New York market and the wider London market look quite similar. And if you consider the U.K., we tend to think of it somewhat the way we think of California. The U.K. has 68 million people, while California has 39 million, so it ought to be larger. When you examine the demographics of high-net-worth and ultra-high-net-worth individuals, California tends to run a bit higher on a per-capita basis. So we look at California and figure it's likely an $800 million to $1 billion market over the long term. That means London ought to land somewhere near a $1 billion market. To reach that, we need gallery penetration and brand recognition. The good news is that the locations we're opening are quite spectacular. We're launching with a brand that enjoys worldwide recognition among our core customer. It's not as though the brand is completely unknown to people—unless they never travel to America or have no friends there, right? When they come to America and have affluent acquaintances here, they become aware of us. So the real question is simply how rapidly it scales — we don't have the answer yet. Opening them will teach us more. We intend to execute really well. I believe we care deeply about this. The effort we're putting in will be exceptional and noteworthy. My view is that when your work is exceptional and noteworthy, you can typically find a way to generate revenue from it. Monetizing something ordinary or forgettable, though, is extremely difficult. So our outlook is positive rather than negative; this excites us. We're deeply committed. On the demand trend question — we shared those trends throughout last year since it was such an unusual year. We don't intend to make a routine of giving demand trends for the rest of our existence, and we don't do it within a quarter. But you can derive all of that from the figures. We gave fairly full guidance — a relatively normal guidance, the kind we would have given before, right? So we aren't holding guidance back from you. We gave guidance for Q2, and we gave guidance for the full year. Those figures are something you can work out for yourself, and you can get a sense of how demand was trending much the way you would have using the guidance we've given in the past. What we don't want to do is sit here and chase a crowd of short-term hedge funds and day traders by talking about, say, hey, through last week, we're here. Our focus is on people with a longer-term orientation. Still, you can figure that out. I believe the guidance we've put out is the most fulsome that anyone has offered so far this year.

Maksim Rakhlenko

analyst
#35

Nice work on what was truly a solid quarter. Staying with Europe for a moment, I'd like to dig into the margin picture. How do you expect profitability to develop there relative to the U.S.? And I think you said somewhere earlier on this call that margins might even be accretive. So how are you framing GM against SG&A, and then leverage across the entire business?

Gary Friedman

executive
#36

I don't think we're in a position yet to get into that level of granularity. Looking at it directionally and strategically once more, what we believe is that — over the long run, in our view, it can be accretive to margins and enhance our model rather than dilute it. Scale is going to be essential for us. Clearly, we'll launch distribution centers, develop our capabilities, and put money into inventory plus the other infrastructure required to get the business running. The pace at which we ramp up — and the pace at which the business itself ramps — will shape how the model develops, so when we talk about it, I'm really referring to the long term. For instance, I look at — we now spend a lot of time studying many businesses and many models, what companies charge, and what they charge in that market for comparable products. We see it as an excellent value, and we believe it could be more profitable than the U.S. business. The reason it might carry somewhat better margins is that we won't be doing what many American retailers historically did when entering Europe—replicating every function. They'd set up parallel buying groups, copy their corporate overhead and infrastructure, and so on. There were numerous layers of duplication, and we don't think that's necessary. Our approach will be to treat the world as essentially a single market, with very little duplicated infrastructure. Of course we need some HR staff, leaders, store managers, and oversight—that kind of thing—but we won't copy many of the practices other businesses or brands have adopted. The good news is we don't require a large inventory management team. Consider most retailers: they're constantly stocking a store with product they sell and constantly replenishing it. That isn't what we do. We install a gallery and nothing moves for a long stretch. Nothing moves at all. We do steam the beds and tidy them up, but nothing in our galleries is actually selling, right? So consider how complicated inventory management gets for a typical retail store or for other home furnishings retailers that move product off table tops and so on—companies in the cash and carry business. Cash and carry is not the business we're in. Ours is a much simpler model—much simpler. Such retailers would have to build big inventory management teams and replicate those teams in multiple countries, correct? They'd need to factor in all those different profiles, sell-through rates, and everything else. We don't have to deal with any of that. We keep a DC stocked, right? And everything is pulled from there. So the model is much, much simpler. And those are the—yes, many of those reasons are why we—or why we believe it will be accretive to operating margins. We simply don’t have much duplication.

Maksim Rakhlenko

analyst
#37

Understood. That helps a lot. And as a brief follow-up: with RH Contemporary and the ongoing supply chain issues, how are you all planning to meet what's likely to be very strong demand? Can you bring product in early, or is that not really workable since the business is so custom driven? I'm just curious how the team is tackling these challenges, since as you mentioned, there's a lot of newness coming in the next several quarters.

Gary Friedman

executive
#38

Yes, good question. It's not entirely special order. To start, the mix will likely lean a bit more toward special order; but a solid share of the product will be stocked; and the real key is the supply chain catching up, what the demand trends look like, and what level of in-stock rates we can reach; and that will decide — we'll likely go right down to the wire on how many books we mail and how big we get behind this, precisely so we don't create another huge wave of backorders and lengthy wait times; so we have a few months here to watch how the supply chain is doing, how people are catching up, and what current demand trends will be. And yes, we'll work that out as we go. But there is some supply chain constraint. And that's the reason we haven't launched anything in a long time. But at this point, we feel fairly good that around middle to later — I'd say late September, early October, it looks like we can launch Contemporary. And we'll launch the business. But it's like our business: people get a book, and they don't place many orders in the first few days. It takes about a month to digest it and the designs, whether that works in my house and so forth. So by the time people really start ordering Contemporary, we should have fairly good in-stock rates, and it will keep improving more and more as we move through the end of the year. But we think we'll be in good enough shape; though if for some reason demand trends are bigger than we expect as we move through the quarters, we may have to launch Contemporary in a smaller way. And so — but look, it's all a good problem to have, right? It's not like nothing's selling here; it's just that, okay, you don't really want demand trends to go down so you can launch Contemporary on time, right? Like that would be bad to wish for. So I'd like demand trends to stay up. And a good outcome would be, hey, guys, we pushed Contemporary to 2022 because our demands are damn strong, right? Now some people would say that's really bad. I think that's really good. What that tells us is the business has kept performing better than our expectations. So the precise timing of the Contemporary launch isn't really the key question. That launch will take place, and it hinges on how demand trends develop and on our capacity to ramp up production.

David Bellinger

analyst
#39

Congratulations on these results. So, examining all that success across the last few quarters with the membership model, how much growth have you seen in your customer base over what we might call the past 12 to 18 months? And even more significantly, where could that figure reach over time as you work toward the $5 billion to $6 billion sales target for North America, plus a considerably bigger opportunity internationally?

Gary Friedman

executive
#40

Yes. That data isn't really something we provide.

Jack Preston

executive
#41

Yes. David, I’d point out that our membership figure is public — it’s in our 10-K. So during the prior year, as Gary mentions, with revenue up 8%, membership rose 4.6%. That took us from 415,000 members to 434,000, and that’s one way to gauge it. Obviously, sales overall usually grow faster — thanks to higher average order values and the other factors we’ve discussed, they typically exceed the increase in members or customers.

David Bellinger

analyst
#42

Understood. Alright. So when you look at the trends here, Q1 was unbelievably strong across the board. Are there particular parts of the country within that strength that stand out as either overperforming or lagging somewhat? And did any moderating pattern show up as certain regions get nearer to normal? Or is it really more of a wide-ranging pickup across the whole business?

Gary Friedman

executive
#43

It's fairly wide-ranging. Yeah. I mean, you've got the — throughout this pandemic, clearly, the dense urban cores that saw more people leaving. Those were weaker. Markets for second homes were booming. The suburbs were booming. And at this point you've got cities where folks are returning, and we're approaching the unmasking of America, so the cities are — the energy is returning. Business is returning, and in our view they'll likely see a stronger sort of later surge.

Cristina Fernandez

analyst
#44

I'd like to follow up with a question about Contemporary. Do you believe that line is going to draw new customers to the business the way Modern did a few years back? And what's your thinking on how you'll present it in stores, and the price points? Could you maybe compare it with the Modern launch — how this one will be similar or different? That would be helpful.

Gary Friedman

executive
#45

Yes. We believe it will be very much like Modern. We believe it will draw new customers into the business; the price points are higher, as was the case with Modern compared with the Interiors business. So the quality level is higher. All the new product sort of reflects the elevation of both product and brand, right? So over the next several years, as we move the brand up the luxury mountain, you'll see higher-quality, higher-priced product kind of flowing in. Quality will improve across the board. Design will improve across the board. The designers and the people we collaborate with — more people will be more aware of them. Designers that many people said would probably never design for RH are now joining the platform; and so the product will keep elevating, and that ought to have a positive effect on average order, average ticket and plenty of good things that support the business model. I think that's what you have to consider long term with our business. As you're sort of taking — moving up the luxury mountain, you're taking quality up, you're taking design and quality up, you're also taking price points up. You have more pricing power there. All the leverage flows through, right? I tell people this constantly. Picture selling a $2,000 sofa or a $10,000 sofa — and I bring up $10,000 because that's our best-selling sofa. So if delivering a $10,000 sofa costs you roughly $200, from a shipping cost standpoint it's a fraction of what it is to deliver a $2,000 sofa, right? You're at 2% versus 10%. So it costs you 1/5, and that's why you can get such better margins here. So when you consider margin growth long term, you have to understand, from a product standpoint we're still climbing the luxury mountain. I sort of look at it and say we're a little above halfway. Maybe we're 60% up the mountain, 65% up the mountain. And the product quality, the product design, the taste and style, the brand will keep going up; and we're going to keep being disruptive at the highest end of the market, right? That's where we see the greatest opportunity, I think — those independent showrooms, along with small boutique and high-end stores and retailers. All of that is going to be very accretive to our model. And that's why, as I mentioned before — I'm not sure whether it was 1 or 2 quarters ago, a couple of quarters back — I talked about the correlation to Hermes. Not that we place ourselves alongside Hermes — the Hermes of the world, from a brand standpoint — but we aspire to things like that. And Hermes, I believe, has a 34% operating margin. So yes, a lot of good things are happening during this climb. This climb is hard to make. Nobody has ever made this climb. Everyone who's up there was born at the top. So we're in uncharted waters, in a sense, as we climb — but it's all good stuff. The leverage, that customer acquisition cost — everything here is margin accretive, the path we're on. And I think many people overlook that, because they're so accustomed to building models for the — nobody's — there isn't an analyst or an investor who has ever built a model like this for a home business. You've got no — people ask us constantly, are you more like — should I look at Home Depot? Should I look at this one? Are you similar to this? Are you similar to that? No — we're like nobody. Go look at other categories — in other categories, there are people like us in other places. No model resembles ours; that's why no results resemble ours; so everything we're doing is going to be accretive to margins.

Cristina Fernandez

analyst
#46

Yes, that's really helpful. And my second question is this: last year and this year, your source book strategy shifted. You only mailed one. Do you think you'd return to 2, like spring and fall? How are you thinking more broadly about advertising source books as the business normalizes in 2022?

Gary Friedman

executive
#47

Yes. Sure. At one point we were putting out 11 or 12 annually, correct? And then we went from 11 or 12 down to, I think, 3. Then we went to 2. Then we went to 1. Then we went back to 2. Now we're at 0. So we'll go back to at least 1. And the world keeps shifting constantly, doesn't it? When we launch these major — one thing worth examining and reflecting on, when you consider RH, again, it's wonderful because we had that reference point right beside us. And I'd urge anyone who hasn't — if you haven't visited our Center of Innovation & Product Leadership, you really should come out here and sort of observe not just what we're doing but the way we do it, and you'll grasp just how distinctive and unlike anyone else we are. After that, we'll have lunch with you at RH Marin and give you a tour; but if you'd rather just walk everyone through and take a look, oh, there was our in-line store in the mall. Then you'll see us positioned as a third anchor in the center that's impossible to miss as you drive up to the place. You have to consider the fact like, hey, how many source books do we need to send by mail in Marin when every person in Marin who could potentially be our customer is going to at minimum join us for lunch or dinner once a month, perhaps somewhat less often, but in all likelihood. Whenever they visit the mall — whether heading to Nordstrom or Apple — they pass right by our stunning gallery, which is encircled by all those century-old dollar trees. Honestly, it seems almost out of place next to a parking lot, yet it's this incredible sight. And when you take a good look at it, then stroll through the mall and notice all the other gloomy retail shops, you think to yourself, well, it's no surprise they may need to spend heavily on advertising; each of them is just a 30- to 50-foot storefront with a rather shabby-looking front. Plus, there are no windows at all, apart from a tiny bit of glass in the storefront. You enter what feels like a box with no windows, and every person there looks identical. Someone stands at the register. Everything feels much the same. So when we build the galleries that we build, and we produce the volumes that we produce, and hospitality is bringing in a lot of traffic, I have to believe we'll wind up spending only a small portion of what everybody else pays for advertising to optimize the market. Nobody — everyone concentrates on the downside of putting money into a retail store, and no one ever considers the upside. I keep telling people, it would be a fascinating world if all of us could just take a look at it. Imagine a scenario where retail exists solely online. Consider the last two hundred years, a time when purchases happened only in physical shops — what I mean is, buying online exclusively, with zero stores. All at once, suppose somebody came up with the store concept and generated substantial sales volume; then abruptly everyone started launching stores, and a movement toward brick-and-mortar retail emerged; then out of nowhere you remark, f***, everybody — apologies for my language. You say, gosh, everyone begins closing their websites, since physical stores are the place to be. Nobody ever reverses the viewpoint and reframes it in another way; we will simply follow the crowd. Generally speaking, people tend to follow others and resist change, so most just go along with the crowd. They assume everything is heading online, but in my lifetime, our categories won't see more volume online than in physical retail stores. That just isn't going to happen unless every retailer shuts its doors and makes it happen—and honestly, that would be great. I'd love for all the sellers of our goods to close their stores. Nothing could be better for us. If they did, our operating margins might hit 40. I hope they do. Honestly, at this moment, I say let them imitate one another while we stand alone as the sole awe-inspiring, extraordinary brick-and-mortar destinations anywhere. I rather enjoy the idea that we'll essentially occupy a category with no peers. Apple does the same; Tesla does the same; any outstanding business does. Such firms tend to have no real competitor since they refuse to mimic the crowd. That point fires me up. Yet picture such a scenario—it would set off a stampede, much like a gold rush, toward launching physical retail locations.

Brad Thomas

analyst
#48

There's plenty of exciting stuff to discuss. Gary, you raised an interesting point in the letter regarding the RH Dallas restaurant being booked through August. I was hoping you might give us an update on where the overall restaurant business stands, its reopening and recovery, and how that flow-through is translating over to the extent you can tell at the restaurants that have opened sooner than others.

Gary Friedman

executive
#49

I think it broke up a little bit. What's the question?

Jack Preston

executive
#50

So around F&B — the overall F&B business...

Gary Friedman

executive
#51

Yes. The F&B side is bouncing back strongly. And listen, one thing we did—we used the moment when everyone was sheltering in place to reimagine our hospitality operation. We reworked the menus, how we price things, turn times, service standards; we have a fantastic leadership team; and we think once we're able to return to a kind of full service, we'll deliver a massive impact in F&B, on both revenue and margin. A lot of the restaurants that might have been $5 million or $6 million, we believe will now hit $8 million or $9 million, perhaps $10 million, simply from the improvements we've put in. Our pantries used to function more as a coffee bar. Today it's genuinely a wine bar. And we offer 40 wines by the glass. We discovered that, hey, you average 82 points of margin when you sell wine by the glass. So that is a really attractive business to be in. It beats coffee by a wide margin. And look, coffee isn't a bad business, right? Nobody would mind being Howard Schultz and Starbucks. But we prefer the wine business; it's a genuinely good business. When you're paying someone to carry something over to a table, whether it's a $4.50 cup of coffee or a $24 glass of wine, consider what that means for payroll as a percent of sales. Again, just keep everything we're doing, keep thinking, climbing the luxury mountain, higher price points, more leverage, more volume, actually serving somewhat fewer customers while making a lot more money. So with F&B, we've essentially done the same. We've elevated the menu, elevated many things. In fact, yes, most of the menu elevation is happening right here right now in Marin, and we'll roll that out. I think that will have a significant impact. But I think we're in a—I think we have one of the great hospitality businesses in the world right now. Our volumes are incredible. Our model looks incredible. Most of our restaurants are packed all the time; and we can't wait until we can get to 100% seating. And I mean right out of the gate, Dallas looks like it's going to be a $10 million-plus restaurant. And with the new wine margin structure, which is really good—and they're drinking a lot of wine in Dallas. So we feel good about it. It's going to be a good part of the model. And when you consider how much traffic it drives to our galleries and what that does, and then what that traffic does to offset advertising costs and other things, it—it all looks incremental to us.

Seth Basham

analyst
#52

If I'm coming through, I'd like to ask about the design services business — you described it as North America's largest. What metric is behind that claim? Also, what has that business taught you over the past two years, and how could those lessons be applied in Europe?

Gary Friedman

executive
#53

Sure. Yes. When you add up the volume our interior design business produces and the volume from our trade business — which really falls under design services — and compare that with outside interior designers, well, we really are — looking at design firms, residential design firms, I can't think of anyone larger than us, or even near our size. This has really upgraded our business. It shifted us away from simply selling products toward selling spaces, and from products toward projects. That makes it a massive strategic advantage for us, and it has given us strong strategic separation. We keep putting money into that business. It matters a lot to us. And when it comes to Europe, we believe it will do very well there. Think about it — how often in someone's life do they get the chance to furnish a whole home? Almost never. So why would anyone be skilled at it, right? You can't excel at something you've only done a handful of times in your entire life. That's why, if you examine Zillow, Redfin, or really any listing platform and browse through both the priciest and the cheapest homes, you'll typically find poor architecture and poor interior design. So we believe we can have a major impact on how people live—not merely by giving them more attractive environments and spaces, but by making them dramatically more practical and sensible. People simply lack the know-how. Why would anyone expect to be skilled at it? Think of it this way: suppose you'd never set foot on a tennis court before — you've only ever bowled — so why would anyone expect you to play tennis well? That's what makes this whole thing interesting to me. Plenty of folks say, "I want my home to really reflect me." Wonderful. Yet when someone lacks a good eye for interior design, the house does end up reflecting them — and the result won't be any good. So I think our service, now that it's available — and the wonderful thing about our design service, the reason we do so well with it and why it has far more impact than what others offer, is the galleries, right? The galleries along with the source books and the manner in which we display goods. We don't construct retail stores. Most furniture and home furnishings retailers, when you walk in, feel like a retail store. Dining tables get piled with all sorts of seasonal crafts. Stuff is everywhere. Shelves are stuffed with pillows, candlesticks, tchotchkes, and various other items. Honestly, it looks like a mess. It doesn't feel like a home. It feels like a store. Walking into any of our galleries gives you a feeling of home. And not only that — it doesn't look like anything you'd find on Redfin or Zillow. It actually looks superior to any home listed on Redfin or Zillow. So it's a genuinely inspiring physical showcase of our brands, and customers want their own homes to look that way, since they've never seen anything quite that good; and as a result, our design teams build credibility, because the marketing — they're serving the customer through the example of the work, right? That's the source of our credibility. If you walk into any of the other places where people might shop, there's junk piled up everywhere; it doesn't resemble the way we'd want to live, with a dining table buried under knickknacks, Halloween or Christmas stuff stacked on top of it, or pillows tossed all over, shelves everywhere and candlesticks everywhere. And like most retail stores, whether you're walking through a mall or going into home stores and furnishing stores, they're a mess. We look like a beautiful, inspiring space. So that's the reason it works, and that's the reason it will translate. But you can't just say, oh, we offer design services. Great. If your stores look terrible, nobody cares.

Zach Fadem

analyst
#54

Gary, I’ve got two questions about Guesthouse. You mentioned several exciting things here, so first, I’m curious whether there’s anything you can share about the revenue model; and second, could you maybe take us through the food and beverage or experience offerings compared with what a typical boutique hotel offers?

Gary Friedman

executive
#55

Well, we aren’t building a hotel. So I don’t know how I’d compare us with one. But yes, the Guesthouse revenue model — you’ll learn more about it once we open it. Yes, our rooms are going to be fairly expensive; we’re building an experience the world has never seen. So it isn’t going to be cheap; it’s actually — think about it this way. The Guesthouse is the flag that gets planted immediately at the top of the luxury mountain. So every other luxury hotel in the world, I think, is going to be forced to tip their hat. And they’re going to say like, wow, we’ve never done that. Wow, how did they figure that out? We’re just going to do a lot of things that have never been seen, and we’re doing it at the very top end of the market. So it’s going to be an incredible, aspirational, inspiring experience. And it’s all designed around privacy and luxury. And I think we’re going to command very high rates, and we don’t have to sell a lot of rooms because we don’t have a lot of rooms. And so — but most boutique hotels are all about trying to — they’re all trying to be hip and cool, and they’re trying to have lobbies with a bunch of people sitting in them. And it’s like if you go to — what’s the one — I forget now. I’m blanking. But the one you go to, yes, the Ace Hotel or anything like that, which I think are cool for the market they’re going after; but you walk in and...

Jack Preston

executive
#56

The initial W...

Gary Friedman

executive
#57

Yeah, the original W. You've got all sorts of folks hanging around in the lobbies with their Apple devices. We notice plenty of those little glowing Apple logos. Everyone's busy working. Plenty of jobless folks tapping away on laptops in the lobby. That's the complete reverse of what we'll be offering; ours is all about privacy and luxury. For instance, private entrances, things brought straight to your room, so you never have to pass a crowd of people in the lobby. Nobody in the lobby can hop on the elevator up to your room. This is a totally different setup. Plus the F&B experience is really elevated. I mean, it's a stunning, stunning restaurant featuring an amazing live-fire element. I mean, there's no other restaurant like this anywhere in the world that I've ever come across; and we're genuinely thrilled about this restaurant concept. We're genuinely thrilled — New York has opened with our inaugural Champagne & Caviar Cellar, and that's going to be amazing — I believe it'll be the finest experience anyone has had with caviar and champagne. And it's aimed at a very wealthy, affluent, and discerning clientele. And it's — the concept is that it will lift our brand; it will establish us as a thought leader, a tastemaker, and a placemaker globally. And Aspen will follow suit; and Aspen will feature our first RH Bath House & Spa, which will include a membership element since we only have 9 rooms in Aspen, so you can't operate a bath house and spa paid for by 9 rooms. But Aspen is going to serve as a really strong model for us, with a membership for a bath house and spa. That will be the finest spa available anywhere in Aspen. So you'll understand it once you see it. It's really tough — this is the sort of thing we do. Sometimes you have to see it to believe it. It's just like RH Modern. When we first introduced that, lots of people were like, what? What will it be? And then we launched it. Now it's a massive part of our business. And the same with Contemporary, the same with Guesthouses, the same with everything we do. They simply haven't been done before. So essentially we attempt to, wherever possible, create new markets, correct? So we don't say, oh, let's do it like this person, only slightly better. We try to conceive something that is considerably better and more distinctive and appealing than anything available in the market; and we believe our Guesthouse is going to be exactly that.

Gary Friedman

executive
#58

Thank you all so much for taking an interest in our brand. I also want to express my appreciation to our team for all their efforts in bringing our brand to life. All of us are excited about America's unmasking, so to speak, and about moving beyond this pandemic. We believe it will be an exciting period, and our pipeline holds a tremendous amount of innovation. We look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#59

Everyone, that brings us to the end of today's conference call. We appreciate all of you for joining in, and at this point you're free to disconnect.

Read the full transcript via the API

You're viewing the first half of this call. Get the complete RH transcript — plus 133,000+ transcripts from 7,000+ companies, speaker segments, AI summaries and full-text search — through the EarningsCalls.dev API.

Get the API View API docs →

This call discussed

For developers and AI pipelines

Programmatic access to RH earnings transcripts and 133,000+ others is available through the EarningsCalls.dev REST API. Plans from $39.99/month — full transcripts, speaker segments, full-text search, and the recently-added /api/v1/transcripts/recent polling endpoint for ETL pipelines.

More tools for stock research

OptionsBell: an unusual options activity scanner that tracks options flow across all US stocks and emails you when large trades appear in RH or any ticker on your watchlist.

StockMarketScan: a stock screener with alerts: 24 pre-built screens refreshed every 5 minutes, watchlists and email notifications. Both offer API and MCP access and fair monthly pricing.