Rite Aid Corporation (RAD) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 10, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Albert Rice
analystHello, everyone. I'm A.J. Rice, the health care service analyst at Credit Suisse. We're very pleased to have up next presenting Rite Aid. Rite Aid is obviously a leading player in the retail pharmacy and PBM industry. Participating for the company today is Heyward Donigan, CEO; Jim Peters, Chief Operating Officer; Matt Schroeder, Chief Financial Officer; and Trent Kruse, Head of Investor Relations. Thanks again for participating, everyone. Heyward, I thought I'd maybe just turn it over to you and maybe give a few opening comments, and then I've got plenty of questions to follow up. I always should let people know that to the extent they want to e-mail questions, I will try to ask those as I can on their behalf. So Heyward, you want to make a few opening comments about the current state of affairs, and then we'll follow up with some questions.
Heyward Donigan
executiveGreat. Thank you so much. Thanks for having us. We really appreciate it. And I guess we're a little over 2 years into my tenure at Rite Aid, and it's been a hell of a 2 years. It kind of feels like 10 years, to be honest. And we launched our Analyst Day strategy overview last 2 -- March right before the whole world shutdown. And it feels like that was a long time ago, but it really was only about 18 months ago. So we really are early days into our RxEvolution. And of course, the pandemic has impacted us probably as much as any organization in America. The pharmacy chains really have been on the forefront of this from day 1. We've remained open. We barely even shut stores for even hours during this whole pandemic, and we both were on the forefront of providing necessary medications, whether it be through our mail order facility, our specialty pharmacy or our retail stores throughout the pandemic. And of course, we were one of the first, if not the first, to launch a testing site in the United States, which is really kind of funny to think about how novel that was at the time. And we were out in the parking lot with PPE, which was almost impossible to find. And now, of course, we've evolved to a very, very big drive-through testing business. And of course, the vaccines, first, the vaccines, and I actually was looking at my phone the other day. And I saw a picture that I had taken of a Moderna vile because at the time, that was the most exciting thing to see in the world was a vile of a vaccine. And of course, now we're into boosters and we're into children and third shots. And well, our strategy has not changed. It is a little different from the other pharmacy chains in that we are doubling down exclusively on the pharmacy business. So I call it pharmacy with a capital P, meaning that we are in a myriad of different pharmacy businesses, only one of which is the retail pharmacy. And so people tend to think of us as a retail pharmacy. And of course, we are. If you look at our business, we're, let's call it, $11 billion in retail pharmacy revenue, $8 billion in our PBM business and almost $6 billion in front end. So we tend to talk about front end a lot, but our business is really pharmacy. Front-end has really been restructured to support or help you get thriving business in the pharmacy. So when we talk about pharmacy, we are a mail order pharmacy of some size in our PBM business, but we also use mail order in a myriad of different ways to support our overall business. We are a specialty -- we have our own specialty pharmacy, and we have a retail pharmacy, but you can get your prescriptions via delivery, via drive-thru or via in-store. So we are very focused on new and differentiated ways to expand our prescription business, including we have a very healthy cash card business that we don't really always talk about, and it's growing substantially. So the pandemic actually propelled our strategy. It did not derail our strategy. And our core 3 goals as a company because, of course, we have a long way to go to get to the healthy company we want to be is to grow our business, mostly organically given our capital structure; two, drive cost efficiencies, and we've made significant progress, while still investing in the business; and to, of course, reduce our leverage ratio. So I think that sums it up. I'm very excited for our future. it's a crazy time right now given the labor market and the incredibly high volumes we're dealing with in store, in particular, because now acute medications are back. So it's a good problem, but it is a tough problem. I will say the labor market is really front and center, one of our challenges at this point. But we are really bullish. We are very excited about the role pharmacy plays for the future of health care and the outcomes of our customers.
Albert Rice
analystThat's great. That's great. That actually -- number of questions I could just ask off of pivoting off of that. One thing -- and you did spend a little time on the latest conference call talking about this is the repositioning, which you sort of alluded there, the front end of the store, and you're getting out of some product categories and you're trying to reposition more to that healthy living type of focus. How do you manage that transition and still maintain the revenue growth that you're wanting to be able to generate? Is that a hard thing to do as you transition out of some areas and add new product offerings?
Heyward Donigan
executiveWell, we've had actually very, very good success. We have finished the reset of our merchandise. We changed about 75% of our merchandise last year. and -- or reset it, I should say. And Jim, why don't you comment -- Jim is in charge of all of the merchandising and brand work. Maybe you can just comment on some of the specific really good inventory turn and inventory reduction numbers that we've had.
James Peters
executiveSure. Yes. To your question, A.J., it's a very, very challenging problem to address. But that's been addressed by us in the planning stages. So we didn't wholesale change merchandise overnight. We've recalculated from a timing perspective to understand what SKUs we're going to change, when we're going to change them and what the economic impact of those category changes would be. So actually, by that planning process, we've been able to see beauty health increase substantially, almost double digits even since our last conference call. And so we feel that we're in a very strong spot because of the way that we rolled out and cascaded these changes. Our inventory turns are higher than they've been in at least 5 years. So up to a 3x inventory turn. And from an inventory perspective, $180 million. of inventory benefit as a result of that rationalization. Now it's not without challenge, but we continue to -- we've got a team that hungers and thirst for challenge. We're -- I'd probably say we're a turnaround team, and that's not just the people on this call. That's people who joined the company who want to make change. And we recognize we've got to make change very deliberately and surgically. So far, it's been very positive.
Heyward Donigan
executiveWe've also reduced our working capital time tied to inventory by $180 million last year, and we believe that we can get a very sizable continued reduction in inventory while at the same time, showing the highest level of inventory turns in the recent history of the company. And on top of that, we are now challenging our suppliers. We want product that nobody in the retail drug chain has, and in some cases, big-box either. So we challenged our suppliers. We want to be the forefront of on trend and a new and innovative product for our target growth customer, which is women between the ages of 29 and 45 -- or 25 and 49. Sorry, I got that wrong. But while still really supporting our other core customer who's a little bit older, I'll put myself in that category. So really, really strong results, and we're only getting started.
Matt Schroeder
executiveI think I would say on that, A.J., is there's a couple of kind of numbers you look at to judge the success on what we're doing so far in the merchandising transformation and it is a journey. But with the reduction in inventory of the $180 million last year and probably another $100 million that we're looking at this year, with the improvement in turns, we're actually still growing sales in the front end to your stack basis. And you've got to look at a 2-year stack because the pandemic in the first part of last year was just so lumpy on the front end. But I think last quarter, we were up about 3.5% on a 2-year stack basis in front-end sales even with some of these changes that we're navigating through. So I think that bodes well for the direction we're going, and it shows that consumers are responding positively to the merchandising changes that we're making. So to get the comp sales increase even with a planned reduction in inventory, I think, shows we're moving in the right direction here.
Albert Rice
analystOn the -- and I know there's a variety of reasons why you're making that transition, but when you think about things like revenue per square foot or margins, are these products enhancing that? Or are they about the same with the types of things you're exiting?
Matt Schroeder
executiveI'll start. I would say, first of all, revenue per square foot is one way to look at. Our shelf productivity is actually up about 20%, which is another kind of metric to look at from the standpoint of how productive are we being with the merchandise that we have. The items we're getting out of, I would say, by and large, are lower merchandise items than the ones we're focusing on. OTC is typically a higher-margin business. Beauty drives good margins. Consumables drives good margins. So now there's other factors that play in such as how much you going to mark down an item and how much you're going to put on promo and all those things. But in general, we would expect margin expansion on a rate basis to come out of this strategy.
Albert Rice
analystOkay. Continuing on the retail side, the company has benefited from COVID vaccines as have all of the major pharmacy players and testing over the last few quarters. Obviously, we hope that the COVID dynamic winds down. But what is your thought as you think about the next few quarters next year On vaccination rate, testing rate? Obviously, we've got the booster. We've got the commentary around potentially pediatric vaccinations. Do you think those will happen in your type of format? Do you think we'll see some of that in other -- more of the pediatric -- pediatrician's office? And how about just the idea that you've touched people that maybe you didn't touch before and your ability to retain those as customers? Maybe make some comments on that.
Heyward Donigan
executiveYes. A couple of things, and then I'll let Jim and Matt weigh in. First of all, I'll start with the last part, which is we have converted over, I think, it's 450,000 customers to move their scripts to us since they have actually gotten a vaccine from us. So it's not a huge number, but it is an indication of people having a really good experience and deciding to shift their prescriptions to us. I think there's no doubt that this is the peak vaccine season over the next couple of months that we aren't likely to see this incredible activity all at once next year. And so we have not only flu shots, so this is flu season still and we have the boosters and some people are still actually getting their first vaccine, which is good news as these mandates are rolling out. And now we've got the kids. And I don't think we have any evidence yet whether the pediatricians will be the primary benefactor of that or the pharmacies. It's a little early. And while the media is talking about how important the pediatricians are, we saw in the last wave of vaccines, we are -- the drug channel is still a very significant distributor of these vaccines. And so I think we all probably understand that this is not going away, that COVID is not going to disappear. So it is my personal belief system that COVID will continue in some form for the foreseeable future. And like flu, it will -- there will be ongoing vaccines required for those that want them. And interestingly enough, these vaccines are more effective than the flu vaccine. So you might actually see more people getting a COVID vaccine than even a flu vaccine. And so the other really great news, and I honestly think this is the greatest news of all since the early vaccine news, and that is these treatments because you can get COVID when you've been vaccinated. That is for sure. And so now they've got remdesivir, which is highly effective from everything we can tell, which is readily available now. And these 2 pills, which I have practiced the pronunciation about 20 times, and I still can't pronounce them, the one that -- one from Merck and one from Pfizer that look to be highly effective. And that is obviously we will be now the beneficiary of distributing those drugs. They're even talking about us doing remdesivir. So we're trying to figure that out. So I think the volumes won't be like this year, but it's here to stay. And so we'll obviously -- Matt can comment on how we're modeling out our thinking on this.
Matt Schroeder
executiveYes. I think, as Heyward said, continuing to see some very high volumes. We're up to now having done over -- just over 10 million COVID vaccines for the year. So continuing to see some pretty heavy volumes in the third quarter. To Heyward's point, we would expect certainly on an ongoing basis to see COVID vaccinations as something somebody gets I think as far as the cadence of how much of the boosters and the pediatrics falls into this fiscal year versus leaking in the next fiscal year for us with our fiscal year ending in February, it's still probably an open question, honestly. So I think probably a little more modeling and thought about the specifics around that when we get to the third quarter call in December. We're going to get the benefit. We just -- which fiscal year it's going to be in, I think, is still an open question.
Albert Rice
analystOkay. Okay. I mean one of the perennial things we have to talk about on the retail side is the reimbursement headwind. It seems to be there every year, and then you work to offset it in a variety of ways. What are you seeing now? Has the pandemic lessened, increased, moderated that sort of reimbursement headwind that the industry has traditionally faced and anything to say about your ability to offset that? Has that improved for any reason? Or is that even more challenging today?
Heyward Donigan
executiveI'll start by just saying that the most intense reimbursement rate pressure was occurring when the PBMs thought we were going to get sold. And so that was really intense. And it has leveled off substantially since I joined the company for -- not because of me, but because the company is clearly moving forward, and we've made such great progress on our capital structure. So Jim, can you just comment on the status of the negotiations now?
James Peters
executiveSure. Yes, all of our -- and this is probably something you already know, but all of our major Med D contracts are obviously done in June, including those with the big 3. They're fully executed for calendar year '22. With regard to our commercials, we're at the goal line and very shortly in a matter of days will be fully booked with the big 3. We've already got one. I think one is coming in today. And so 1 more of the big 3, probably done by the end of this week. So -- and that will take us through in 2 of those examples, 2 years, calendar year '22 and '23. And that's really been our emphasis is to negotiate multiyear deals, and we've been relatively successful with not only the big 3, but other midsized PBM. So from a cycle perspective, we have good visibility into how we're closing out these contracts in a positive way. With regard to your question about the rate pressure, I would say this that it's not just about rate and that was something that I think we inherited when we came to Rite Aid that the discussions from a Rite Aid perspective were always about negotiating hard line rates. And what we realized and are starting to see the benefits of is that we offer a lot of value to PBMs and regional health plans by working with them in collaborative ways that we've never worked with them before. So you think about how we can actually lower total cost of care, assist people and health plans and PBMs in adherence rates. We've, I think, shined up and shown to PBMs and health plans and frankly, have numerous contracts to show for it, how we can provide real value that helps to counteract the rate pressures that we see.
Heyward Donigan
executiveYes. So it's really moved from a beat-up Rite Aid and extract every last penny from them to a partnership that is less about economics and more about creating overall value for the PBM's clients. And so while this always does remain one of our most significant risks as a company, it is not currently our most significant risk.
Albert Rice
analystOkay. Okay. I want to -- before I forget, something you mentioned earlier in your opening comments, Heyward, the in-store percentage of prescriptions fulfilled versus drive-thru versus delivery. You have a -- I mean, I'm assuming the in-store is still the vast majority of that, but is there a sense of what percentage of prescriptions are fulfilled in those 3 ways and where that might go over time? And I guess one of the questions with that is I understand the appeal of the convenience for drive-thru and delivery. But do you lose anything on the foot traffic and the front-end store sale? Or do you make that up in other ways on those other 2 avenues?
Heyward Donigan
executiveWell, I'll let Jim comment on the percentages, I don't have them handy, but I will say delivery was something we didn't even have until the pandemic. So you're going to talk about something being propelled. And I can tell you for any prescription that I am on from a medication perspective, I have had delivered since the pandemic, and it's a really great service. I think that, yes, we do buy online, pick up in store, and we have multi-mix basket opportunity, both with the drive-through and how you can get things from the front end delivered. So we have made significant progress in trying to cut back that risk of just having the prescription without the front-end offering. So still a ways to go on that in terms of the convenience of those offerings. We have paused on buy online, pick up in store just because of the labor issues. We're trying to reduce the amount of friction in store. So I would say the bigger consideration that we're working through is that we see our customers and engage -- our pharmacists engage with our customers in ways they never happened before because that's a big part of our strategy is freeing up time for our pharmacists to engage with our customers around their total health and well-being. And we've made enormous progress in that and have measures to show that. So the one thing that we are thinking through is for those that don't come in store, how do we still allow for that pharmacy engagement through an omnichannel type engagement opportunities. So that in-store consultation, especially for people who are on chronic medications or who have chronic -- I'm sorry, maintenance medications or chronic illness or new and emerging illnesses that's really important. Jim, I don't know if you have the percentages handy or if you can comment.
James Peters
executiveYes, I do. We haven't talked about actual delivery percentages. But what I would say is this, we have talked about the omnichannel offerings that we have that have seen substantial growth. So it's not just about delivery from store by courier. It's about online. It's about third-party e-commerce, which is more on the front-end side, third-party delivery. So our belief is that the better we can offer a service to our customers the way that they wanted at that time, the better. So I can say that the delivery itself is still a very small percentage of our business. It has grown substantially, as you might imagine, over the past year and much more substantially over the past 3 months where we've actually proactively sought to deliver and encouraged our customers to get script deliveries for us. So on the front end, third-party e-commerce is up 120% is what we announced as of the end of last quarter. And you have other mechanisms like third-party delivery, so Instacart and ScriptDrop. Those are up 20%. year-over-year. So we're still emphasizing -- we've gone from a company that resisted offering our customers anything except for the in-store 4-wall experience to a company whose philosophy is to actually engage with consumers in the way that they want. We believe that's going to create longer lifetime value for our customers.
Albert Rice
analystOkay. Okay. You mentioned a couple of times the labor challenges, and that certainly has been a hot topic in the most recent quarter across everyone that has something to do with health care. I think one of the points you made was that you didn't really have a lot of people at minimum wage anymore. Your pay structure was above that. But could you comment on this calendar year versus next calendar year? I know it's a little bit different with your fiscal year as it is, but do you expect there to be a significant upward pressure on the labor front? What are you seeing there?
Heyward Donigan
executiveWell, we definitely are in many of our markets paying above minimum wage. We have actually already made some wage corrections for certain job categories and in certain states where we might have been lower than we would like to be ultimately. So some of this has already happened. We will continue to watch this. But I personally am of the conviction that wages really it's a very competitive environment. Anyone who walks around sees McDonald's paying $20 an hour plus a sign-on bonus. It's likely nothing, obviously, we've ever seen. But we're not -- we can't get into that in earnest sort of wage competition. We can't afford to. And nor do I think it's really where the market is really moving in terms of how do you really attract and retain talent. So we are going to be smart about wages, but we are mostly focused on recruiting people who want to work in the long term in a professional environment where they are professional associates delivering professional services, whether it be on the front end, in our mail order facilities in our specialty pharmacy or in our retail pharmacies that we're going to give them a career for the long run, that they can graduate from being a store associate, a sales associate to a store manager, to a pharmacy technician, to a pharmacist that they want and that we will support them in that journey with the training and the development. So if you want to go to get $20 an hour flipping burgers then that might be good money, but it's not the career that we can offer. And -- but the challenge we have, I think, mostly right now is workload, I think people really want to be in a pharmacy. They want to deliver valuable purpose-driven services to their customers. What we're dealing with right now is people who are having a hard time with the workload and the stress. And we believe that, that will really die down for better or worse, maybe not as great for the business, but great for the teams, as we get through the flu and the boosters and the children and the acute medications. And we're hoping that, that will relieve a lot of this. But time will tell. I mean, we're all watching the job -- the jobs numbers.
Albert Rice
analystRight. Maybe I'll pivot over to the PBM, Elixir. It sounds like you're really positioning that for significant upgrade, and it's competitive for the 2023 selling season. What did you learn in this year's selling season for '22? And what needs to still be done to position yourself for where you want to be coming into '23?
Heyward Donigan
executiveWell, as you may or may not know, I have been running the day-to-day Elixir operations for the last 8 months and so has Matt. And we have -- we really believe that to get this right, this is a very important business right for once and for all. We needed to do it ourselves, not just -- not because we're that good but because we needed to understand what wasn't working in order to figure out how to have it work. And I would say that as I've said from the very beginning, this is a multiyear turnaround. Elixir -- sort of for a different reason than Rite Aid, Elixir was a -- it's about a combination of about 10 different assets that were acquired over 20 years and never got integrated. And so -- and they certainly never got integrated within Rite Aid. So we spent the first, let's call it, 1.5 years integrating, beginning the important work of integrating these assets with Rite Aid. and taking advantage of the significant synergies that we had and achieved over the last 1.5 years in doing so. And so that work around integrating with Rite Aid is actually almost complete. So all of the backroom -- the backroom option, finance, legal, accounting, human resources and technology have all been integrated and are all under the same leadership now. We did a wholesale change in the leadership at Elixir. And in fact, we have just recently extended offers to almost 10 leaders who have almost to a person accepted. So we are bringing in literally a wholesale new leadership team over the next few weeks. And we also identified a new head of sales and have had consistently the same leadership in clinical and marketing over the last couple of years. In doing all of this, we realized that the 2 major issues are integrating the processes and platforms between the 2 PBMs to gain the ultimate efficiencies that we need and really executing on the basic blocking and tackling in our operations to reduce inefficiencies and to streamline and automate all the processes. So there's I believe, significant economics that will come out of that over the next couple of years, and we're kicking that process off this week. The second major issue that we realized is we do a very good job of managing our network prices and our networks in general. That is one of our great strengths. What we didn't have were competitive rebates. So under Matt's leadership, we spent the last 6 months putting all of our millions of members book of business, government, commercial book of business out to bid. And we did secure a new rebate aggregator partner that has allowed us to be much more competitive. So in the last 7 months, we had not made it to the finals on a piece of business. And in the last 4 weeks, we have won 10 -- at least 10 pieces of business and made it to the finals on every single piece of business we quoted pretty much. Once we make it to the finals, we have a really good chance of winning because we have a very strong value proposition, but we needed the economics to get to the finals. So we believe we're seeing the pipelines because of COVID we're down about 50 -- the prospects were down about 50% last year. And we've heard from consultants that it's not just us. It's them as well. People just weren't going out to bid because they were -- it was too much in a COVID environment. So we are seeing our pipeline significantly improve. We're seeing our percentages of getting to finals significantly improved, and we're seeing our sales significantly improve. Now we have a long way to go before we get to the numbers that we believe we need to get to. But we believe that we are going to be very well positioned for the '23 sales season. And all indications are that, that will be a good one.
Albert Rice
analystAnd the target market is still sort of a middle market focus? Can you sort of tell me your employer of choice that you're positioning the Elixir to go after?
Heyward Donigan
executiveYes. So it's 1,000 to 10,000 live groups, although we do see bigger groups, especially with labor and public sector and health systems, which is a target for us as well. So employers 1,000 to 10,000. Health systems, which are very large, can be 300,000, 400,000. And then regional health plans, usually, we're targeting somewhere between 10,000 and 500,000 lives, although we'll go bigger on that as well. But that's our sweet spot. And the competition there largely is Navitas and MedImpact, it's less the big 3. So when you're really only competing against a couple of other mid-market competitors, that's why we're really optimistic. If we could just get our fair share, we double the size of this business. So that's what we're really optimistic about. We're also seeing the best -- we're forecasting really strong EBITDA results this year on the PBM business as well.
Albert Rice
analystOkay. I did have a couple of e-mail questions, one saying in terms of guidance provided, how much recovery is right at assuming in cold flu products from the amounts lost last year?
Heyward Donigan
executiveYes, that's an important question. Matt?
Matt Schroeder
executiveI would say in the guidance provided, it's probably somewhere in the middle of not as bad as last year, but not to the levels that we would have seen 2 years ago, which is a pretty strong cough, cold and flu season. And certainly, some of the guidance range incorporates a range of outcomes. But that's the base assumption is something in the middle between the pretty -- the numbers last year and what I would call more normalized season. I mean, honestly, we've seen some decent cough, cold and flu activity, but the Q4 is a big quarter for that and still to be determined.
Albert Rice
analystRight. Right. This person is asking a follow-up on the labor question. Given the labor requirements to the retail pharmacy, can you contextualize or quantify the headwinds from these difficulties, expenses here? I guess, maybe go a little further. Is there any way to quantify the incremental headwind relative to the last year, this year that you've seen calendar-wise?
Heyward Donigan
executiveI would be less worried about quantifying it because if anything, it's a tailwind on economics, putting wages aside, which I'll let Matt address. And we're seeing this both on the Elixir side and the Rite Aid side. So we can't hire fast enough, that's the problem. And so for us, it's really mostly an operational issue, less an economic issue. But Matt, I'm sure you have some point of view on the economics.
Matt Schroeder
executiveYes, I would say so far for this year, if you think about the incremental investments we've made in wages, you're probably talking about on a run rate basis because some of them has been staggered in the year, you're probably talking about a $20 million investment or so. As far as next year, I think we're still looking at that, A.J. So I think it's a little early to talk about what the headwind is for next year. As we get closer to giving guidance for next year, we would certainly incorporate that and the puts and the takes we would talk about.
Heyward Donigan
executiveRight now -- putting aside the wage increases that we already implemented, right now, the challenge is just getting people hired. So that, like at Elixir, we're actually saving money because we can't hire people fast enough so -- other than the leadership...
Albert Rice
analystYou want to do it. Yes. My last e-mail question was when you sort of normalize for the vaccine benefit, COVID impact, where is the run rate of EBITDA normalized for the business relative to things like interest expense and the ability to deliver free cash flow. Where you had with respect to that?
Matt Schroeder
executiveYes. I would jump in and say, we absolutely believe we can generate free cash flow on a normalized basis. I think still a lot of noise in this year's numbers, and it's the things we talked about with the vaccines, certainly, and the vaccine benefit on the plus side. On the negative side, with the -- acutes are finally starting to feel like they're coming back. But the acutes have been down and acutes being down cuts into your kind of what I would call your normalized script volumes. And acutes being down also cuts into your pharmacy margins because you typically -- on maintenance do more brand prescriptions compared to generic and acute, you do a little more generic mix compared to brand. And that has a negative headwind on your pharmacy margins. So I think part of the ultimate modeling out for kind of what -- not necessarily a post COVID but a run rate business looks like for FY '23 is taking all those factors into account and kind of predicting what that mix looks like for next year. And again, I think understand the ask for the specific run rate view. I think as we work on our kind of guidance for '23 here in the coming months, we'll be positioned to answer to that question. But I absolutely believe we can generate cash flow in this business on a run rate basis.
Albert Rice
analystYes. Yes. Well, there you go. We covered a lot of territory. I appreciate you guys taking some time with us today and participating once again in the -- our health care conference. So that's great. Hopefully, next year, we start talking of but will be live instead of virtual, but that remains to be seen. But we wish you guys a great Thanksgiving. And again, thanks for participating in the conference.
Matt Schroeder
executiveThanks, A.J. We appreciate your time.
Heyward Donigan
executiveThank you.
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