Roivant Sciences Ltd. (ROIV) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 11, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Chi Meng Fong
analystGood morning, everyone. Welcome to the BofA Healthcare Conferences. My name is Chi. I work with Jason Gerberry, who is the senior analyst here covering SMid Biotech and Spec Pharma and we are pleased to host Roivant Sciences today. And we have here with us is Richard Pulik, CFO of the company. Thanks for joining us.
Richard Pulik
executiveThank you so much for having me.
Chi Meng Fong
analystSo maybe to start off for audience who's not familiar with the company. Maybe talk a little bit about what Roivant Sciences does as a company and the business model that you guys have.
Richard Pulik
executiveGreat. Yes. Thanks again for the invitation and for having us here. Look, Roivant, I would say, has one of the most exciting I&I portfolios out there. We have -- with $15 billion in peak sales potential across the various trials that we have ongoing. The company celebrated its 9-year anniversary on May 5. In its history, it has 6 FDA approvals under its belt, which again, I think is amazing in such a short history. And we have, as of the last reported cash number, $1.9 billion in cash, which essentially takes us into the second half of 2025. We have a lot of exciting readouts coming through that period, in particular this year and in particular this quarter, which I'm sure we'll talk about. We have a unique business model that we create these companies called Vants, which really helps incentivize the management around the various assets. So they come in, they essentially really have an opportunity to be incentivized by getting equity in that Vants itself, and they really drive the team and create it. And then the Roivant management team, we essentially look across those Vants. And as data emerges, we look at that, I would say, pretty across our own data, across the data that emerges from competitors and then we make a decision across the portfolio, whether to continue to fund or whether reprioritize. And so we have, I would say, based on some of the reprioritization we did last year where we terminated 6 programs and really made sure that the cash burn was under control. We've really reprioritized the portfolio, and I think we have a very interesting set of assets, which I'm sure we'll get into in more detail.
Chi Meng Fong
analystGreat. Great introduction. I guess there's a lot of interest in the I&I space given the recent activities in the sector. Maybe you start with your Tier 1 asset. You have an antibody that is a Phase II development, near completion of that trial with some maintenance data coming up short-term. So maybe start off, there's obviously investor debate about competitive partitioning between your Tier 1 antibody 3101 and competitive molecules from Prometheus, maybe help us understand your view on that debate. Where you generally align with investor view? And where do you think there might be misconception out there about the competitive profile of your molecule?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. I think to level set here, we have, I would say, probably one of the best data sets here for the anti-TL1A class. The Phase IIa trial had roughly 50 patients, the Phase IIb had 245 patients. The Phase IIa was an IV, the Phase IIb was in subcu. The Phase IIb was a proper dose range study that had placebo, 50 milligrams, 150 milligrams and 450 milligrams. And we showed at the beginning of the year, I would say some of the most compelling data we've seen in UC and not just from an efficacy perspective, but also from safety. On top of that, there was real differentiation with the biomarker where we saw our biomarker cover 60% of patients. I think one of the other competitor products here, it really captures only a quarter. And you saw separation on those patients, also in particular across patients who were using biologics and other systemic and very strong efficacy differential. So as you know, a lot of the patients are rotating to various therapies in this field. I think we have a really clear path and differentiation based on the induction data that we read out at the beginning of the year. And then this quarter you'll see we'll be sort of the company with the broadest data set, show that in the maintenance setting, I think the field is trying to answer for a 52-week endpoint. Does it continue to be relevant? Does it continue to be safe? And is the efficacy at the high bar that we saw at the 12-week data? So I think it's a very exciting time point, and investors, of course, are keen to see that as we progress in the field.
Chi Meng Fong
analystCool. You mentioned about your biomarker strategy being different than your competitor, maybe broader coverage. Can you tell us a little bit about it if you were to speculate, obviously, you can't tell us much because of competitive reasons. You don't know much about competitive programs. But if you were to speculate, what enables you to have a broader coverage there?
Richard Pulik
executiveWell, look, I think it's a key differentiation point that we're being pretty mum, frankly, on this kind of how we got to that point. But you saw very clear separation on modified Mayo and also for endoscopic data points. And I think that speaks to the ability here to differentiate in sort of an all-comer setting and then also help people understand where to go if they're on the therapies.
Chi Meng Fong
analystFair. You talk about how important it is from a competitive standpoint to have subcutaneous Phase II data at a patient level at hand and from a competitive standpoint, how important is it to have that?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. So when we talked about the induction data back in January, we said, it's not just that we have subcu data, we also did a proper dose ranging study. So we know at this point, based on the induction data, that the Phase III dose where we said we would run 1 trial with 1 dose or 1 Phase III with 1 dose and probably would need 2 for registration, but that's unlike what we've seen from others just to remind people the other data with IV. And so I feel like we're in a really good place here too. Once we see the maintenance data to very quickly move forward into these 2 Phase III trials in UC.
Chi Meng Fong
analystDid you say 1 dose or 2 doses?
Richard Pulik
executiveOne dose.
Chi Meng Fong
analystOne dose, okay. And what are you doing with your formulation there? Are we talking about how many injections for dose are we looking up at the commercial product?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. So we don't want to give away the dose here given the competitive nature, but we did say that at the highest 450 milligram dose, there would be 2 injections.
Chi Meng Fong
analystOkay. Cool. You have the Phase IIb data maintenance data coming up sometime this quarter. What's the latest thought and expectation by the data set?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. I mean I think based on what you hear in the field and from our KOLs, the main things that people are looking at the juncture is, is the high efficacy maintained and is safety maintained? So I think that's the main focus here and what everyone is looking forward to.
Chi Meng Fong
analystIs there any theoretical concern why the efficacy or safety would have been maintained as you go from induction to maintenance?
Richard Pulik
executiveI mean I think one of the stories that was out there is that the neutralizing antibodies were with some [indiscernible]. I think that was like a story that we heard. We were very open about the neutralizing antibodies when we announced the Phase IIb data, we said it was 8%, I think. I haven't seen the neutralizing antibodies from the other data. I think in their Phase I, they did have 6%. So again, I don't think this is anything that gives me cause for concern. And when we did the deal, we saw the week 40 data. And again, we didn't have any concern here and are looking forward to seeing the maintenance data and sharing that with you.
Chi Meng Fong
analystCool. How informative the immunogenicity data and induction data, like, if you don't see an impact in the induction, it is a pretty tailwind for maintenance? Or is there any theoretical concern where immunogenicity neutralizing antibodies might accumulate or that the impact between having that initial build of antibody and the impact of that because there might be a lag of that. Do you have any view on that?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. I mean, look, I think all we can speak to the human data we've seen so far, right? And what we've seen so far, again shows very strong efficacy. And at week 40, we saw that efficacy maintained. So I don't frankly have any concern here.
Chi Meng Fong
analystOkay. Cool. Maybe can you talk a bit about your approach with 3101 in Crohn's. I think you're thinking about doing a Phase II there. Can you tell us a little bit more about your effort in Crohn's disease?
Richard Pulik
executiveSo look, I think this is another great opportunity there. I think the right thing here to do would be to run a proper dose ranging study and also establish the biomarker. Once we have that data in hand, then the thought would be to move into pivotals. But we haven't done the dose ranging there.
Chi Meng Fong
analystAre you thinking about starting with the same set of biomarkers as in UC? Or do you think that this is more like maybe a bit of an experimentation as you do your Phase II, I think your competitor had to tweak or made a tweak to the algorithm when they read out their Crohn's data?
Richard Pulik
executiveLook, I don't want to tip my hand there as well. But again, we feel very good with the biomarker we have, but I don't want to tip my hand there.
Chi Meng Fong
analystThat's fair. Maybe we transition to VTAMA, this topical approved for psoriasis Phase III development in atopic derm. You've already read out one Phase III study in March. You have one coming up sometime this month. I know you've talked about it in the previous conference call, but what's the expectation there? Do you expect the second Phase III to last [ year ] replicate what you observe in the first Phase III?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. Maybe just to start on VTAMA. So VTAMA is our topical approved right now in psoriasis. If you pull up the indication statement, it's very clean. The safety label is pretty incredible. There's no contraindications. There's no sort of limitations of use. And as people who are familiar in the derm space, you have about 400,000 topicals prescribed in the U.S. per week. I mean, it's an absolutely incredible number. In the psoriasis space, it's roughly 90,000 and the atopic derm space is roughly 320,000. So when we saw earlier in the year, the atopic dermatitis data from our first Phase III study, I mean, I think it showed the unbelievable opportunity right. This was moderate-to-severe patients down to the age of 2 and patients and dermatologists still treat these diseases with topicals. We haven't had a new innovative topical in this field for over 20 years. And the mechanism here also showed that when you use this drug, you can stop using it. It has remittive effect and continues to work for 4 months, and then when you start using it again, you have the similar efficacy as before. And it is the same, too. So the strength that we tested in the atopic derm is the same strength that's in psoriasis and that is currently approved. We have one other Phase III study reading out now. We said that's going to read out in May, but it's exactly the same study. We had a very strong data in Phase IIb. Our partner in Japan had a positive Phase III in atopic derm. So again, I think this should help validate that VTAMA is going to be one of the best topicals out there and should be standard of care throughout atopic derm across this class versus steroids.
Chi Meng Fong
analystCan you remind us the timing of the program if the second Phase III were to be in line with your expectation, what's the time-line you are following?
Richard Pulik
executiveSo we want to wait and make sure we have the safety data, right, because that will just take a little bit of more time to accrue and we said we'll be able to file them at the beginning of next year.
Chi Meng Fong
analystAnd as to the safety data because it's a different population than the psoriasis? Or can you leverage?
Richard Pulik
executiveFrom H2.
Chi Meng Fong
analystOkay. Got it.
Richard Pulik
executiveBut I think that the safety actually we have seen in that Phase III study was embedded in the safety within psoriasis. So again, I don't have any cause for concern there. And then we showed as well data earlier in the year where we had children, 90% of the body surface area was covered with VTAMA, and there was really no systemic circulation and any safety concerns whatsoever.
Chi Meng Fong
analystOkay. Great. I mean, obviously, the product is already large launched in the psoriasis indications. If we tell the early launch experience so far, what are you doing there in the promotional space? And what's the payer access level for the product right now?
Richard Pulik
executiveSo we're very pleased with where we're at today. We have over 100 million lives covered the last time we sort of disclosed. I think we're going to be reporting our [indiscernible] March year-end, so our 10-K is going to be coming out in short order and you'll where the sales are. But coverage, I think, is very good. The script trends are going in the right direction. And I think the atopic derm opportunity will then create another inflection point here.
Chi Meng Fong
analystPricing is always like a topic of discussion for the psoriasis topical space, also atopic derm I guess. Can you talk about where your gross to net add right now for the product and where do you see sort of net out in 2023 and steady state?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. So we didn't provide guidance for this quarter. We eventually expect us to get to similar gross nets we've seen in the space around the 50% range. And the per tube price are now $13.25.
Chi Meng Fong
analystAnd do you expect that to be similar between psoriasis and atopic derm market?
Richard Pulik
executiveIt's the same.
Chi Meng Fong
analystMaybe I will transition to Jason, who covers Immunovant and can probably better handle those FcRn questions than I can.
Jason Gerberry
analystSure. So yes, the FcRn category, obviously, a very interesting pipeline of products, potentially a lot of breadth of application here. Where are you most excited, I guess, in terms of the opportunity set for Bato and, I guess, 1402 follow-on. I'll let that open ended and then we'll drill down.
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. So I think the thing that sort of gets missed sometimes here is that again, this is subcu. It has probably the best IgG suppression data we've seen in the field and very easy injection that was engineered to be subcu. We have now 3 Phase III studies that are underway. And I would call it kind of those studies in more of the rare indications. I mean there's an opportunity here, as you alluded to, that anti-FcRn therapies work in 19 different indications. I think there's been a lot of speculation that this could be used much more broadly. I think one of them -- the field is waiting for rheumatoid arthritis. And then we will -- Immunovant would be the only company that really has 2 different antibodies and can really think through like how do you maximize this across patient needs and across multiple indications and have the pricing flexibility to do that. So I think that's the truly exciting opportunity here across both.
Jason Gerberry
analystYes. So you mentioned depth of IgG reduction, perhaps like the best maybe pure subcu injection, right? Others has subcu, argenx has a subcu, PDUFA. I believe there's like a minute to inject this, at least with Bato, I think it's a 10-second injection and you're able to still maintain high depth of IgG reductions. Ultimately, I guess, the proof point to whether that clinically matters, right, will probably be I think MG Phase III data.
Richard Pulik
executiveThat's exactly right. Yes. That will be the first time we'll kind of really see how that plays out.
Jason Gerberry
analystAnd so the thinking being is with at least Bato and MG is that, that, coupled with LDL mitigation strategies could potentially form a competitive offering in that you wouldn't necessarily need to see data from 1402 to prioritize that. And in future, subsequent clinical testing in 1402, if successful and mitigate some of those issues around serum albumin and homeostasis, that just plays in a different opportunity set ultimately?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. I mean, look, I think the LDL liability that we saw with 1401 is very manageable. I think we showed data that was done. Again, this is not an issue. And that -- given the Ig -- look, but we need to see the data, but given the IgG suppression that we have and the fact that this is a very easy injection, I think we have the opportunity to really be best-in-class here. And then the data we did see is in TED, right, where we saw that for the 640 milligram dose, you saw much better response rate than TED versus at half the dose. So I mean, you can see it really matters there. We did see that argenx announced at JPMorgan, they're moving into TED. I feel like we're very well-positioned having sort of announced the Phase II last year, and then also with the data in hand that we had it was a fairly small study, but you can see that the dose really matters.
Jason Gerberry
analystSo in terms of your ability to really differentiate on subcu dosing and not having any negative trade-offs on depth of IgG reduction, I guess, as we look at others in the field, some kind of get to that 80% threshold, but need to go IV, others get in that ballpark, but at pretty high rates of headache, side-effect that maybe could be commercially less appealing. So just kind of curious how you kind of see the field and the ability to play catch up. I know argenx has their PDUFA, but also working, I think, on other subcu offerings, which some infer from that, but there is also the need kind of improve the competitiveness of their subcu right?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. I mean, again, I think we have a real opportunity and path here to be best-in-class. I think as we saw with the Vyvgart quarterly sales numbers that sort of beat everyone's expectations by mile. That team is doing amazingly. I think that speaks to the excitement around anti-FcRn. And we'll have more data emerging across other diseases such as CIDP as well that I think everybody is sort of waiting for. But I think given the pivotals that we've launched and the 1402 data that we're going to be waiting for with the SAD cohort coming out in August and September and the MAD data coming out in October-November, I think there's a lot of excitement coming through Immunovant as we really promote the story here to be potentially best in class.
Jason Gerberry
analystYes. Immunovant has its own CIDP Phase II that's underway. argenx will read out in front. The UCB trial was negative. So CIDP is tough, right? There's no like dancing around that. If argenx were to have a negative study outcome, there are some who believe that perhaps what pathogenic IgG is only like an issue like maybe 10% of patients and that perhaps an anti-FcRn approach just may not be therapeutically viable there. Is there a counterpoint to that, that maybe people would be too dismissive in that scenario, something maybe unique about the trial design or some other aspect that needs to be considered?
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. I think given the readout, I mean, I think everybody feels that this readout is around the corner. So I hate to speculate, and I love to look at that data and sort of understand it and be in a better position to sort of opine on whether the CIDP strategy is a changer.
Jason Gerberry
analystYes. Because my understanding is those data will help perhaps inform tweaks and modifications to the ongoing Phase II for Bato.
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. I mean I think it will be very informative to think about whether we need to go in a different direction or not. But we necessarily need to know because I think given the differentiated profile, but it's an important data point for the field.
Jason Gerberry
analystOkay. So maybe let's just talk about the 1402 updates that will occur over the -- it'll be 1 in the summer in the SAD and then 1 on the MAD in like October-November, I believe. So from a timing perspective, is the MAD ultimately, the key thing here and focusing on getting comfort, around lack of reductions in serum albumin, healthy volunteers with Bato, I don't think we saw LDL impacts, right? So from a clinical manifestation, it was more of a biomarker impact in terms of what we're focusing on to get and derive some degree of comfort, right, that perhaps this may not have to the extent we want to call a liability with Bato, but that doesn't exist with 1402.
Richard Pulik
executiveLook, I think the data that we've seen so far was in monkeys. If you kind of look at our deck, you can see that this binds at a different site. So I mean, you essentially had 1401 kind of binding if you kind of make a fist sort of at the top here versus on the side to the FcRn, so that doesn't bind at albumin. I think if you look at that chemical structure and you look at the monkey data that we've seen so far, and you also look at sort of the depth of evidence that we've seen on the translatability of those studies from monkeys to human, that should speak to why we don't see the LDL liability. The data we have emerging is sort of a next step just to prove that out.
Jason Gerberry
analystYes. Okay. I mean we have seen with other molecules in the space, small reductions in serum albumin and it hasn't manifested clinically in any LDL impacts. There's probably a little bit of just variability in the measurement, I would think. So just in terms of sort of setting expectations, right, and saying, hey, like if you see 5% or 10% moves, that could be chance variability, and it's probably not reason to kind of be overly alarmed. We've seen this with other aspirants, at least going in human studies.
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. We have the data coming out at the end of the summer. So I think let's look at that and our anticipation is that this will be very similar to what we saw in the monkey studies.
Jason Gerberry
analystSure, okay. And then maybe just a little bit on the rationale for clinical exploration in Graves. I think that both Graves and TED have some similar underpinnings in terms of the patients and the ability to kind of lower TSHR as a biomarker for a disease. I mean, clearly, that's correlated with efficacy and TED. I guess what derives the comfort in Graves, right? Because there are some differences in the endpoint and how you get comfortable or at the end of the day, look, there's a hypothesis, it's worth studying. It's a small study, and let's just play it out and see if we can show being the only one there, it's a pretty interesting side of that.
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. I mean, I think all of those points, frankly like, they are similar diseases in a way. And I think the data we have seen in TED certainly was a very compelling and was compelling for our competitor to go in. And then you don't have to dig a hugely that Graves' would be another place where this could work.
Jason Gerberry
analystOkay. Now I guess, the only other thing is TED is the most validated of the indications, at least with Bato. I mean, obviously, MG is validated by this year end. But as you think about IGF1 antibodies that have been introduced into the marketplace, they're pretty well received. We approached with $2 billion in revenue and a pretty quick. Your thoughts on the market and where an FcRn could be positioned relative to an IGF1R, I believe, Immunovant kind of initially, like it was viewed to be competitive with IGF1R. I think now the story has evolved to like where somebody doesn't want to do IV infusions or sort of in a post IGFR-non-responder. Is that a big enough of a market opportunity or do you think that you see the market opportunity a little differently.
Richard Pulik
executiveI mean, I think ophthalmologists' love new mechanisms. I mean, I can speak to sort of my working off the old back at Novartis. And I would say there is obviously some safety concerns from hearing loss, et cetera, that have been speculated I think on the label as well. So there's an opportunity here to provide, we saw a good response rates and have seen good safety so far. And I think that sort of where we would position it from a safety and response rate perspective.
Jason Gerberry
analystSo basically, the theoretical safety concern with an IGF-1R approach, hearing loss, I guess, how well-characterized that is. I know that there were some events that was talked about at the FDA advisory panel for that medication. But I guess, theoretical safety concerns are enough to spook people out.
Richard Pulik
executiveYes. I mean, look, I think their safety and then there's also, what are -- ophthalmologists like to have multiple mechanisms that work here, right?
Jason Gerberry
analystYes.
Richard Pulik
executiveAnd so the data we had at hand was for a small number of patients. So I don't want to lead into that too much, but I think we're excited with the possibility here, and let's see sort of where the data plays out.
Jason Gerberry
analystAll right. Well, great. Well, this is really helpful. Thank you so much for joining us. I think with that, we can conclude the session as we're out of time.
Richard Pulik
executiveGreat. Thank you so much.
Jason Gerberry
analystAll right. Thank you.
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