RugVista Group AB (publ) (RUG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 8, 2024

Nasdaq Stockholm SE Consumer Discretionary Specialty Retail earnings 56 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Welcome to the Rugvista Q1 2024 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Now I will hand the conference over to the speakers. CEO, Michael Lindskog; and CFO, Joakim Tuvner. Please go ahead.

Michael Lindskog

executive
#2

Thank you and welcome, everyone, to our earnings call presentation for the first quarter of '24. Myself is Michael and Joakim is also joining. So let's kick it off with a few highlights in terms of the first quarter. I think overall it is a quarter where we've shown a lot of strategic progress on our initiatives, but that the overall market remains challenging. We continue to be excited about the fact that our customers love what we're doing. We're reaching more of them and we continue to develop our customer proposition according to the strategic agenda that we've set forth. However, of course the consumer sentiment in many of our larger European markets is challenging where the average order value has contributed to the decline in the net revenue and the lower AOV is very much an indication or a consequence rather of a continued price sensitive consumer. We are also pleased to see that the investments that we've done over the past few years in number one, developing the new e-commerce platform, has enabled us to really start to see traction in our efforts to also create content and thereby getting more organic traffic on to our platform, which contributes to the marketing efficiency gains. So a little bit more about the numbers. We landed on SEK 176 million in terms of the net revenue, a slight decline or a couple of percent down versus last year. I think the highlight here is also that we're seeing differences across the regions and markets and of course the decline is very much driven primarily by the lower average order value. On the main items when it comes to the profitability, I think it's important to highlight the aspects that the major variable cost items; which is of course the product cost, the freight to and from customers and the marketing spend line item. We are continuously working on those and they are showing progress on all of those line items even with the lower AOV. However, the EBIT margin is down both from a sort of absolute level as well as percent versus last year and very much also driven by the lower scale effects on the more fixed cost base due to the lower turnover in addition to our investments into organizational development and preparations ahead of the move to the new warehouse. So that's kind of what I wanted to highlight there. Moving on little bit to the business updates. I think we talked about the order count so we increased our orders by 15%. The number of new customers we acquired was 16% higher versus last year and we continue to maintain very high customer satisfaction ratings both in our Net Promoter Score survey as well as on Trustpilot. The consumer sentiment or consumer confidence is slightly improving in some of the markets we operate in. Some markets remain very challenging. But the overall picture is that there are some positive signals, but the outflow or the consumer confidence is still at very low levels overall. When talking a little bit about the average order value and the price sensitive customers and also the items that we can actually control. And yes, we have ensured that we have a more appealing offer on the slightly lower price points and that's kind of what we can see on the left hand side of the graph where our offer to the customers is slightly higher in the lower price brackets. But overall, it is a relatively minor increase in that share of our assortment. So what's really driving the AOV is the fact that customers here during the past few quarters have really down traded, which we've seen in terms of selecting slightly smaller rugs. We've seen that they're taking or choosing to buy the discounted items and that type of behavior versus a major change in terms of how we have constituted or developed our offering. Also want to highlight a little bit about with our outdoor assortment. Even though the weather can be what it is, but Q2 especially is the season for outdoor rugs. We've over the past years continued to develop that offering to ensure that we are also relevant during this period. And what we've seen is that we continue to see progress in this subcategory. And then also what I want to highlight here is with the new platform, we're able to really highlight and present new introductions in a very different manner or enhanced manner compared to what we were able to do historically. So with that being said, let me hand it over to Joakim to go into some of the numbers in detail.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#3

Thank you, Michael. I start with the top line. So like Michael mentioned, we had a good 15% order growth despite the decline in sessions so hence we had an improved conversion during the quarter. However, the change in average order that we saw starting in the second half of last year still persists in all regions actually. In total, our net revenue declined by 2.4%. If you look at the regions, we had a big difference between markets also within the regions. So DACH declined by 4.6%, the decline coming from Germany. Nordics where we have the majority of sales in Sweden, Denmark and Norway grew by 13.1%. And Rest of World, which is mainly Rest of Europe, we had a decline of 6.1%; but also there some markets performed well like U.K., but in the southern parts of Europe we had larger drops. So I'll move on to gross margins. So going back to quarter 4 of last year we reported 60.3% gross margin and in quarter 1 this year we had 61.6%. So quarter-on-quarter we have improved by 1.3 percentage points mainly due to less discounting. Versus last year quarter 1, our gross margin was down 1 percentage point and also that is then due to higher discounting than previous year. MPO improved 2.1 percentage points from a lower margin prior year, but that was related to a less favorable geographical sales mix. So in B2B where we also have the smaller businesses and also in B2C, the margin drop was driven again by higher discounts and the customers to a larger extent opted for the discounts that we offer. So to the big picture. We have an EBIT margin decline driven by investment into the organization and business development. And as said earlier, the larger discounted share of sales rendered a higher product cost percentage. The freight costs, which is included in the goods for resale, was somewhat lower than prior year and also prior quarter despite the lower average order. So we have decreased the cost per order. In other external expenses, the next line, we have the marketing expenses which were decreasing versus prior year with 1.1 percentage point. So the increase in costs in this line were consultant costs like we had in Q4 for our new warehouse design and also IT costs. The split in between them being about 50-50 of the increase. Personnel costs increased due to the general salary increases and also due to the higher number of FTEs from the recruitments that we made in the second half of last year. Other operating expenses contains the FX effect on the revaluation of assets and liabilities in foreign currency and this is 0.8 percentage points lower than last year. Depreciation and amortization, in this line we have the right-of-use assets for IFRS 16. So this increased due to the inflationary adjustments of our lease agreements or the indexed leasing agreements and also for the new warehouse that we took on in quarter 4 of last year. So in total, this then sums up to a 2.8 percentage points lower EBIT margin as explained above and also due to a minor negative scale effect due to the decline in sales. So I'll move on to inventory. So we ended the quarter 4 last year with SEK 126 million in inventory and this was a low number at the bottom of the target range we have provided equivalent to 17.9% of the last 12 months of net revenue. So we increased our inventory with SEK 7 million during quarter 1 and that gave a total of 19.1% over the last 12 months of sales. So this is still in the lower side of the target range and we can expect this to gradually grow as we approach the next peak season in quarter 4. Last, but not least, cash. So at the top left on this slide, you see your cash flow from operating activities that improved over last year. So in last year we had an extra tax payment due to the then releasing the formerly deferred taxes. The positive changes in net working capital this year mainly derives from decrease in credits from suppliers. Cash flow from investing activities mainly consist of intangible investments in the development of our e-commerce platform and this was slightly up versus prior year SEK 0.3 million. So our net cash being then the cash we have at hand minus our leasing debt for the right-of-use assets landed at SEK 209 million, which is then up SEK 93 million from previous year quarter 1 and it's up SEK 23 million versus the last quarter. So all in all, we have a solid cash position. No interest-bearing debt to financial institutions and hence we are prepared for the inventory buildup for the peak season that I mentioned, the dividend that the Board of Directors has proposed and that is subject to a decision in May at the AGM and also for the investments that we will make related to the new warehouse. So that sums up the financial update and I hand over to you, Michael, to sum it up.

Michael Lindskog

executive
#4

Thank you. So just a little bit of a summary and a quick outlook for the rest of the year. So I think we continue to focus on really realizing our strategic initiatives and of course navigating the market conditions. Q1 is a quarter where we have seen progress on multiple of our strategic initiatives and that of course continues to be a large portion of our focus because that will really ensure that we continue to develop, we. continue to improve our proposition for our customers and positions us for continued profitable growth. The Q1 numbers of course are a bit challenging where we did see a bit of a decline, a couple of percent decline in the net revenues. That is of course something we're not super pleased with. And we have also, as mentioned, taken actions to improve that overall position and trend. However, our gross margin did improve quarter-on-quarter. We continue to see improved marketing efficiency and we continue to optimize our freight costs to and from customers. In addition to the fact that I think it's important to mention that we delivered a relatively healthy EBIT margin despite the fact that it is a decrease versus last year. And then as Joakim also mentioned here, our financial position is very healthy. We have a strong net cash position and we are still in a position where the Board can suggest a dividend of SEK 1.8 here at the upcoming AGM. But looking a little bit ahead towards the rest of the year, I think the outlook of course remains quite uncertain both from the sort of global security aspects with the situations we have still in Ukraine and now also down in Middle East. We have an overall macroeconomic climate that continues to be challenging, which has impacted the European households in terms of cost inflation over the past few years. And of course in the near term we expect the situation to gradually improve hopefully, but it is very uncertain. And also considering these conditions, we did initiate some specific actions to improve our margin position, which included some price adjustments. We also initiated and focused on cost optimization in terms of operating our new e-commerce platform. Both of these initiatives have given a positive impact since being implemented and that is of course something we'll reap the benefits of moving forward. But overall, I think I want to reiterate the core business in terms of us improving our proposition to the customers is on track. We're growing our traction with customers. We will continue to of course focus in on navigating the current conditions as well as building and preparing for the future. So with that being said, I'd like to hand it over to the audience for any potential questions.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Benjamin Wahlstedt from ABG Sundal Collier.

Benjamin Wahlstedt

analyst
#6

So a couple of questions from me. One is price adjustments slated during the quarter. Could you perhaps elaborate on magnitude and, if possible, compare it to the magnitude of price hikes that you did in Q3 '22, please.

Michael Lindskog

executive
#7

Absolutely. The price adjustments were a level to make a difference. They were slightly lower than the ones we did back in Q3 '22. So still not sort of low single digits, but not double digits so somewhere in between.

Benjamin Wahlstedt

analyst
#8

Perfect. And then I have a question. You also in the CEO statement point to the implementation of Google's Consent Mode to have a negative sales impact. I was wondering if you could quantify this further, please?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#9

Of course fully implementing that has been something that's been going on for a while internally. When that was fully implemented, we did see a period where the efficiency in our paid marketing channels did decline and then also to a small degree affect our ability to drive traffic and then of course that impacted the top line during a couple of weeks around about during the quarter.

Benjamin Wahlstedt

analyst
#10

Right. And I was wondering as well about the new checkout solution. Do you have any early takeaways? Any learnings from that, please?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#11

Overall, we're pleased we're almost done. There's a couple of markets or domains which haven't migrated yet to the new checkout and that is a few minor technical issues, which we're still trying to solve. But overall in the markets where we have introduced the new checkout, we are seeing stable checkout completion rates, but of course some differences between the markets. But overall we are pleased with the performance of the new checkout so far. I think it's important to keep in mind it's still a very early version of what we intend to do in this area moving forward. But overall, we are pleased with the checkout completion rate so far.

Benjamin Wahlstedt

analyst
#12

Perfect. And then 1 final one maybe. You talked about AI-based functionality being launched towards the latter half of the year. What is this in concrete terms, please?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#13

We've started to leverage of course AI in some of our content production efforts. We have started to leverage this new technology in some of also our customer service area team or in our customer service team. It's of course a technology that can be leveraged across multiple functions to a larger degree than today and that is something we are focusing on and will continue to focus on in terms of introducing and rolling out a new technology, which leverages AI both in terms of consumer-facing functionality as well as internal facing functionality.

Operator

operator
#14

The next question comes from Johan Fred from SEB.

Johan Fred

analyst
#15

First, could you just clarify something on the average order value for me, please? You write in the report that it decreased by 15.5% while on the slide in your presentation the average order value is stated to decrease by roughly 18%. Is the 15% decline in constant currencies?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#16

No, it's unadjusted and there's a typo in 1 of the areas.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#17

That's got to be [ incorrect ] in the presentation. but not in the report.

Johan Fred

analyst
#18

Sorry. The presentation is the correct number so it's 18% decline.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#19

No. The report is the correct number.

Michael Lindskog

executive
#20

Yes. So this is the full report for the 3 years. So the earnings call presentation is the incorrect number.

Johan Fred

analyst
#21

Okay. But you also state this number in the report as well.

Michael Lindskog

executive
#22

Yes. We'll double check here which is the correct number with our internal data. Sorry about that.

Johan Fred

analyst
#23

No worries. And what have you seen in terms of market price pressure and campaign activities from competitors during the quarter? Have you seen any change in the trend throughout the quarter or how would you assess the sort of market price pressure?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#24

It's definitely continued to a large extent in terms of being quite intense. Of course Q1 is not as intense as Q4. But Q1 this year versus Q1 last year did see, I would argue, a higher intensity on the price related campaigning efforts. We also had the start or Easter of course fell more into Q1 this year and many sort of home interior type companies have invested quite heavily in price offerings ahead of the Easter period as that kind of is the kickoff for the outdoor season.

Johan Fred

analyst
#25

And going into Q2, are you seeing any -- are there pressures easing or how should we think about this going forward?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#26

I mean at the end of the day, the consumers are for sure seeking value for money and maybe to a somewhat larger extent than we've seen historically. And then of course some new entrants into the European scene with [ Temu ] specifically. Of course that is something that the entire industry in Europe needs to react to and what has been the case is that many have focused on price offers in many of the sort of communication efforts we've seen so far this year.

Johan Fred

analyst
#27

Got it. And just a follow-up on the Google Consent Mode update. Is this the same update as what's been referred to as the Google's core March update?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#28

No. So the Consent Mode is a reaction from Google in terms of the European GDPR and then also in the second step that's where Google has been classified as a very large player or a gatekeeper is kind of the term often used. So with that being said, they have ensured that all of their advertisers meet the standard that the European regulation has set and of course that has increased the standards they put on us where we over the past few quarters have prepared to ensure that all of our setups in performance marketing meets those standards. Then in terms of what you were referring to that there was a major core update to the algorithms in terms of how they present web search results. It's been a while since they did a major update like they've done here over the -- it was really initiated towards the end of the quarter and completed during the first few weeks in Q2 actually.

Johan Fred

analyst
#29

Yes. Have you seen any impact from the core March update? I've read some industry reports saying that platforms with quality content should benefit more. Have you seen any impact?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#30

We're seeing not a sort of major up or down when we look at it from a total perspective. Of course there are certain of our domains where we're seeing positive effect and certain areas where we're seeing some issues. But overall, it has not been super positive or not super negative either. But it is something we're still in the sort of process of adapting to because it's a gradual roll out across the different domains for us and them as well.

Johan Fred

analyst
#31

Okay. Got it. And could you just please quantify the impact of the Google Consent Mode implementation on the sales in the quarter?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#32

We had a couple of weeks where we had some issues in terms of being able to fully operate our paid marketing efficiently or effectively which impacted the top line and the efficiency during that period to a certain degree.

Johan Fred

analyst
#33

Okay. Got it. Final question for me. The implemented profitability enhancement measures that you took during the quarter, you're right that you've already seen the desired impact from these initiatives. Could you please just quantify what you mean by that and also the impact you expect going forward?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#34

So we mentioned specifically some price adjustments. That of course has had a slight impact on the top line where since we've seen limited to no impact on the willingness to buy actually. So that is good. And then of course with a slightly higher price, our gross margin profile has improved. When it comes to the optimization of the hosting of the new e-commerce platform, that is something we'll see the benefit of ongoingly and is in our world a relatively large improvement in the cost structure for hosting and operating the platform and that is something we'll see going forward. I've talked in the past about when you build new tech products, you build features and making sure that those features get out and then in step 2 you start optimizing the data flows, which is really what drives the cost to a large extent. And that effort is what we've started now during the course of Q1 and then got implemented towards the end of the quarter.

Operator

operator
#35

The next question comes from Niklas Ekman from Carnegie.

Niklas Ekman

analyst
#36

Can you help me understand the sequential trend here? I'm curious why did your sales grow 14% organically in Q3 and then 9% in Q4 and now they fell 3.5%. Can you just explain what's the difference here? What's changed? The deterioration here, is that mainly due to comparisons being extremely easy in H2 last year and now tougher comparisons? Has the market actually deteriorated or is there any strategic changes from your end? If you could just elaborate a bit on that topic would be interesting to understand what trends you're actually seeing.

Michael Lindskog

executive
#37

Absolutely. I think our most important market is Germany and what we saw with all of the sort of within Germany issues that started to emerge towards the end of Q4 really impact the German consumers too especially for our categories. So we've seen that, yes, the consumer sentiment has stabilized, but the willingness to spend is at all-time lows. So i.e., the savings rate is extremely or at actually all-time highs. And then we've seen some weakness in many of our Southern European markets during the course of Q1 whereas the Nordics continues to perform quite well. So we would to a certain degree argue that the different markets, different regions are on slightly different sort of cycles when it comes to the macroeconomics. And then specifically Germany having some issues with all of the strikes and all of those things related to some of the stuff going on down there during Q1 and Q4.

Niklas Ekman

analyst
#38

Okay. Second question, when you're talking about price hikes, did I understand correctly that you're talking about high single-digit price hikes and is that across the board or are we talking about selected SKUs? So basically are we looking at high single-digit price hikes on average for your assortment?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#39

I would say mid-single digits across a large portion of the assortment is correct. Not every single item of course, but a large portion of the assortment, very similar to what we did in terms of the portion of the assortment very similar to what we did back in mid-'22.

Niklas Ekman

analyst
#40

Okay. Very clear. And just how this aligns with the market being very price sensitive. Is it right to assume that kind of your markdown levels are kept at a similar high level, but from a higher starting point because of the price hikes? Is that kind of what we're seeing right now?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#41

We continue trying to optimize and navigate the consumer sentiment and also the sort of the continuous, let's say, trade off to a certain degree between growth and profitability. And then what we've implemented here recently is of course a little bit more focused on ensuring that our profitability stabilizes considering the fact that the market is somewhat uncertain. Then also I think it's important to mention now going into Q2 we were coming into the summer season. Of course that means with our efforts on improving our assortment, we are coming in with quite a few new introductions to the outdoor assortment and of course when we introduce new things, we want to charge full price for those items. So overall the mix going into Q2 is slightly less focused on price offers for sure.

Operator

operator
#42

The next question comes from Emanuel Jansson from Danske Bank.

Emanuel Jansson

analyst
#43

So just a few questions from my side. And I think we have touched already upon it to some extent on the Google Consent costs, et cetera. But you mentioned IT costs and consultant cost. I don't know if it's possible to quantify all of these costs together in Q1 and should we expect similar cost in the coming quarters here near term?

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#44

Yes. We said that half of the increase is the consultancy cost and half of the increase is IT costs. And the consultancy cost for the new warehouse is, let's call it, a nonrecurring cost and the IT costs are I mean additional costs to [ IT-alize ] services as we utilize as we get better tools for our new platform.

Michael Lindskog

executive
#45

And then I think the important aspect is some of those cost items of course is our investment into our future ability to drive the business. But then the second aspect of course is the hosting and optimization of the sort of operating the platform and there's where we've done quite a bit of efforts during the course of Q1 especially to optimize that cost base. And those cost reductions of course will be something we can benefit from moving forward.

Emanuel Jansson

analyst
#46

Okay. Perfect. And regarding lead times and maybe transport cost and freight costs, et cetera. Did you experience any issues at all on the Red Sea supply chain?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#47

From that aspect of course, we have a fair amount of our production in India. The lead time on those vessels has increased since or due to the Red Sea. Many of the vessels we're using are now driving around Africa instead of using the canal and that is something that we've had to take into account for especially the stuff coming in summer, but also some of the deliveries that we are planning to have for the fall season actually. The production in Turkey in that region has been relatively unaffected by the Red Sea issues.

Emanuel Jansson

analyst
#48

Okay. And just a final question from my side here. Given the uncertain markets, you also stated that you may be focused more on optimization and also have made some price adjustments. Is it fair to interpret it that you are focusing more on profitability over sales here near term going into Q2 and Q3?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#49

We want to make sure that we have a customer offering that is attractive and we continue to maintain our fair share of the market. Some of the effort, however, what we've seen here and what we've done is that we want to also ensure that our larger variable margin components are at levels that we are comfortable with and that's kind of the background to some of the initiatives that we've taken here over the course of the last few weeks and months.

Operator

operator
#50

[Operator Instructions] There are no more phone questions at this time. So I hand the conference back to the speakers for any written questions and closing comments.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#51

So I can read out the questions here. So we have a question here from Philip. How much of a threat is Temu. Obviously service, delivery time, return conditions, et cetera, are very poor compared to Rugvista; likely also very significant on quality, but the price is extremely low. Have the very low prices from Temu affected your average order price and setting or what is the effect from Temu entering the e-commerce market also within rugs?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#52

So we'll talk a little bit about Temu and I think if you talk about and kind of keep up with some of the sort of trade press. They've been extremely aggressive starting end of Q3, I would say, from last year in terms of them investing enormous amount of money in advertising and other areas in Europe overall. And it has, I would argue, impacted the total retail industry in Europe that it is a new player that everybody has to take into consideration. And of course consumers are exposed to those price points that the Temu platform offers and to a certain degree most likely has an impact on what consumers expect to pay for a given item across all product categories and as well including rugs. So that is something we've had to take into consideration. But we still believe that and we know rather also that our products from a sort of objective perspective is of much higher quality. We believe that the price is not the only thing that a large portion of the customer base is looking for. So they're also looking for design, they're looking for value for money not only low price. And that is something that we continue to focus on in terms of ensuring that we deliver outstanding value for money across multiple price points.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#53

Okay. So I'll read the next question here and that is from Jonas. I noticed a table in the report regarding if CarpetVista's domains are in the new platform or not. Is the plan to migrate CarpetVista to a new platform?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#54

That is something we're still discussing internally in terms of the CarpetVista domains. Historically, the CarpetVista domains has been focused on serving the needs of the traditional hand rugs and customers. However, since really the past 5 years, we got to sell the items via the Rugvista domain and then we'll see and evaluate over time in terms of whether we want to maintain both brand names or not.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#55

Okay. So somebody hasn't muted their phone. I have a question here from [indiscernible]. Have you seen any changes in the competitive landscape from "pure play" online rug players? On the intense marketing climate, is this from similar players like Rugvista or mostly from the border online marketplaces like Temu, et cetera?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#56

I would argue it's mostly from the larger broader category players both when we talk about the larger home interior players in Europe, we're talking about someone like [indiscernible], we're talking about people like Wayfair, Home24, et cetera, where they of course sell multiple product categories within the home interior space. Us and 1 or 2 other of the pure players are not at the scale of these companies. So we're mostly reacting to that to a certain degree. But what we're seeing from the pure players is very similar to what we have also been doing is trying to ensure that we are also attractive for the total market, for the total consumer, but maybe not to the same extent that we've seen from some of these larger multicategory platforms.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#57

Okay. We have an additional 2 questions here from Philip Olesinski. So NPS dropped, still on a high level, but a drop. Anything specific that the investors should be aware of that drove the NPS down compared to the last 2 years of quarter 1 NPS score? We'll take that first.

Michael Lindskog

executive
#58

So the NPS of course is one if not the most important KPI that we have. We did see a little bit of a drop very much related to some challenges we had especially in the beginning of the quarter with some delivery promises not being met and primarily that. So that's something we've had to address and have addressed during the course of the quarter. But there's still overall -- the customers are still overall very happy with the products and the total buying experience that we can deliver.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#59

And the second question, how strong a competitor is Tapisworld from your point of view?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#60

It's a German platform. They do of course some good stuff very much focused though on Germany. So we see them as a relevant reference there. Of course our sales mix from a geographical perspective extends well beyond Germany. But of course in Germany, they are a relevant reference.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#61

Okay. We have 2 final questions here, both from Jonas. The first one, what is driving the weak development in Rest of World?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#62

What we talked about there is a little bit the Southern European markets, which have been performing quite well for us historically, but we did see some weakness in that region during Q1. U.K. is another market, which is part of Rest of the World which of course is mostly Rest of Europe. The U.K. is a market where we continue to progress quite nicely and actually are seeing growth. So we're seeing overall quite a big difference between how the markets have performed recently.

Joakim Tuvner

executive
#63

And the last question here for the day then also from Jonas. How much of your traffic is organic now compared to before you launched the new platform and what do you target?

Michael Lindskog

executive
#64

We have and probably will not in the near term or whatever be extremely specific in terms of the mix between paid versus organic. What we can say is that we're seeing the organic share increase and the increase is relatively significant and it is also very much driven by the efforts we've been working on during the past few years: number one, of course with the new platform; number two, with the increased investments into content production; and then of course number three, making sure that that content is indexed and also engages the customers both on our own site as well as on external platforms. So our ambitions within the content marketing or the content space is still very high. We are only at the start of that journey and hopefully, we'll continue to see an increase in terms of the impact on the sales numbers that those efforts will have. I also want to point out that parallel to this, we need to ensure that also we develop our capabilities and our efficiency within the more paid marketing channels and that is also something that we continuously work on because paid traffic will be part of the mix into the foreseeable future and we need to be competitive in that arena. But with a more balanced approach, our expectation of course is that over time we can have a total marketing spend ratio that decreases. So with that being said, I think there are no more question -- here's a new one actually. Whether if you can expand on the organic traffic efforts that are starting to show and it's a question from Adam. So what we're talking about here is really creating and publishing content such as guides, how tos and also backgrounds to different trends and any collections that we have developed. And that content and also category descriptions to ensure that the content engages the customers that come to our site, but also that that content enables us to improve our organic search rankings across the different search platforms and that is kind of what we're doing within that area. So unless there are any more questions, we would like to thank everyone for your attention and interest and looking forward to seeing all of you for our next earnings call. Thank you.

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