Sandoz Group AG (SDZ) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 24, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Sandoz call today. I will now pass on to Karen King, Global Head of Investor Relations for her opening remarks.
Karen King
executiveWelcome to Sandoz' 9 Months 2023 Sales Conference Call. Earlier today, we issued a press release and posted a supplemental slide presentation on our website to enhance today's call. You can find these documents in the Investor Relations section of our website at investors.sandoz.com. Joining me on today's call are Richard Saynor, our Chief Executive Officer; and Colin Bond, our Chief Financial Officer. Our press release, presentation and discussion will include forward-looking statements. You should not place undue reliance on these statements. Such forward-looking statements are based on our current beliefs and expectations regarding future events and are subject to significant known and unknown risks and uncertainties. Should one or more of these risks or uncertainties materialize or should underlying assumptions prove incorrect, actual results may vary materially from those set forth in the forward-looking statements. In this document, we present certain non-IFRS measures. These non-IFRS measures may not be comparable to other similarly titled measures of other companies and have limitations as analytical tools, and should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the analysis of our operating results as reported under IFRS. Non-IFRS measures are not measurements of our performance or liquidity under IFRS. [indiscernible] considered as alternatives to profit for the year or any other performance measures derived in accordance with IFRS. For discussion purposes only in today's presentations, sales refer systematically to net sales to third parties, excluding sales to Novartis Group, and our comments on growth are expressed in constant currencies. With that, I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Richard Saynor.
Richard Saynor
executiveThanks, Karen. It's an absolute pleasure to welcome you to our first sales update as a stand-alone company. Going forward, we will report full financial performance for the half year and the full year. For the first 3 and 9 months of the year, we will provide a sales update, which will give you an opportunity to see how we're progressing against our sales guidance. Today, I will start with the business highlights over the past 3 months and then turn it over to Colin, who will discuss our 9-month sales and full year outlook. I will wrap up with closing remarks, and we will then open up the call for Q&A. We continue to see momentum in our business, which translates to strong 9-month sales of growth and 6% in constant currencies. These results were driven by ongoing strength in Europe and in international markets and the stabilization in North America and continued strong demand for our biosimilars. I'll provide more details around our sales in a few moments, but we'll start with our recent strategic milestones. At the Capital Market Day, we highlighted the multiple drivers of top line growth for Sandoz. A key driver are the near-term biosimilar launches, and I'm excited about the advancements that we've made over the past months. First, Hyrimoz or biosimilar adalimumab was launched in the U.S. as planned on July 1, bringing the first immunology biosimilar to market in the pharmacy benefit space. We are excited to be part of the single largest loss of exclusivity event to date. Our U.S. team has made tremendous efforts to put us in a leading position in terms of market access and payer coverage [indiscernible] adalimumab biosimilars. All three major pharmacy benefit managers, Express Scripts, Optum United and CVS Caremark have announced coverage for Hyrimoz in the U.S., and we have more lives covered than any other competitor. On top of this, we've signed a unique multiyear agreement with [indiscernible], a wholly owned subsidiary launched by CVS Health to expand the reach of Hyrimoz to patients in the U.S. Hyrimoz is expected to be released and commercialized by [indiscernible] under their own private label, beginning in the first quarter of 2024. As we expected, the market will take time to form, particularly in the absence of Humira being displaced from payer formularies. However, we believe we remain uniquely positioned by offering the only adalimumab biosimilar with the same dosing options as Humira [indiscernible] to ensure broad access for patients and vertical integration for supply reliability and consistency. Our #1 position outside of the U.S. also provide us with millions of patient days of experience as well as strong expertise in this patient support services. We're also looking at enhancing our growth with bolt-on acquisitions. In August, we completed the acquisition of the leading antifungal agent, Mycamine from Astellas, reinforcing our global leading anti-infective portfolio. Sandoz is a leader in the large and growing anti-infective market. We are the last major vertically integrated anti-infective producer in the western world. Mycamine is a therapy of choice in hospitals and in intensive care units worldwide, a proven prophylactic in hematology and oncology patients, and widely used in organ transplants. This acquisition reinforces our global hospital offering and leading anti-infective portfolio. Another pillar of our strategy is our focused strategic investments to enable the future development and supply of biosimilars. This will help us rapidly meet the rising global demand for biosimilars and to make an even more meaningful contribution to the long-term viability of health care systems around the world. At the Capital Market Day in June, we talked about a $400 million investment in Slovenia to build a world-class biosimilar manufacturing facility as well as a EUR 25 million investment in the expansion of our biosimilar development center in Germany. In July, we announced an additional strategic investment of $90 million to build the state-of-the-art Sandoz Biosimilar Technical Development Center in Slovenia by 2026. This new end-to-end drug substance and drug production development center will be an important step in expanding Sandoz' biosimilar technical development capabilities. Our commercial scale, combined with development and regulatory capabilities make us a partner of choice in the industry. This status has been reinformed with several recent agreements. Earlier this year, we signed a multiyear partnership with Just-Evotec Biologics, covering the development and manufacture of multiple biosimilars. This gives us access to disruptive technologies, complementary to our existing capabilities. Over the summer, Tyruko, or biosimilar natalizumab received FDA and EMA approval. If you recall, Sandoz entered into a global commercialization agreement for biosimilar natalizumab with Polpharma Biologics and has the right to commercialize and distribute the product in all markets. Tyruko will be the only biosimilar to treat relapsing forms of multiple sclerosis, and we're looking forward to being the first company to bring this product to the market at the latest in the first half of next year. More recently, in September, we entered into an exclusive deal with Samsung Bioepis to commercialize their biosimilar ustekinumab in the U.S. and in Europe. This agreement further strengthens our position in the immunology space and expands our pipeline to 25 assets. Before jumping in the sales results, I would like to come back to a key milestone in the history of Sandoz. Just 3 weeks ago, on October 4, we successfully completed the spin-off from Novartis and became an independent stand-alone company. Sandoz shares are now listed and traded on the Swiss Stock Exchange and ADRs are traded on the OTCQX in the U.S. I would like to thank all our Sandoz employees for their hard work leading up to the spin, as well as our shareholders and analysts for your interest in our business. The successful listing marks the beginning of a new era for Sandoz as a stand-alone global leader and a European champion in generic and biosimilar medicine space. With this, I will hand it over to Colin to discuss our sales update and full year outlook.
Colin Bond
executiveGood afternoon, everyone. My name is Colin Bond. I am the CFO of Sandoz. It is my pleasure to be giving you our first sales update as a stand-alone company. Today, Novartis published their third quarter results with Sandoz reported in their financial statements as discontinued operations. Our comments today will be focused on our 9-month sales, as Richard indicated. I am very pleased that Sandoz succeeded in delivering a quarter of mid-single-digit growth. In the first 9 months of 2023, net sales were $7.1 billion, up 6% versus prior year at constant currencies. Volume contributed 9 percentage points of growth, partially offset by price erosion of 3 percentage points, which is lower than prior year. The growth was driven by ongoing strength in Europe and international markets, continued stabilization in our North America market and strong biosimilar performance. Our biosimilar business share increased by 1 percentage point as a result of the biosimilar growth, moving from 22% to 23% of overall sales. Moving to our two businesses. The generics business was up 5% in constant currencies, driven by recent launches and volume growth. The first half of the year was strong for cough and cold products, which contributed to our year-to-date performance. In addition, we saw continued demand for many of our recent launches. The biosimilar business grew strongly in the first 9 months, up 11% in constant currencies. Growth was broad-based across the biosimilar portfolio with Omnitrope and Hyrimoz being the largest contributors. This shows the strength of biosimilars in the market as both of these products have been available in Europe for many years, yet continue to gain momentum and expand patient access. In fact, data tells us that adalimumab market in Europe has grown at a CAGR of 14% since the launch of biosimilars in 2019, compared to 9% in the 4 years preceding the biosimilar launches. Looking now at the regions. Europe now represents roughly half of net sales with a 3 percentage point share increase compared to prior year on the back of strong growth across both generics and biosimilars. Europe showed double-digit growth in the first 9 months. The volume growth was driven by a combination of a strong cough and cold season in the first half of the year, continued demand for recent launches and biosimilar performance, particularly from Omnitrope and Hyrimoz. North America continues to stabilize ahead of the forthcoming biosimilars launches. The portfolio demonstrated stable performance with price erosion lower than the previous year and strong growth of Omnitrope. International showed continued momentum, driven by demand in key markets, including Australia and Brazil. Key biosimilar products reported strong double-digit growth in the region. The solid results were aided by price erosion, lower than prior year. As announced shortly before the spin, Sandoz received two solid investment-grade credit ratings from Moody's and Standard & Poor's. We expect to keep a net debt to core EBITDA ratio in the range of 1.7 to 2x, which places us in a strong position among our peers. We target to refinance the bridge facilities as soon as possible, subject to market conditions. Now for our full year 2023 outlook. On the back of the strong sales performance in the first 9 months, we are confirming our 2023 guidance, which we first outlined at our Capital Market Day last June. We expect mid-single-digit net sales growth at constant currencies and core EBITDA margin as a percentage of net sales of 18% to 19%. As part of our capital allocation priorities, we commit to paying a dividend in 2024 of 20% to 30% of 2023 core net income, subject to shareholder approval at our first Annual General Meeting next year. I am now going to turn the call back over to Richard who is going to make his final remarks.
Richard Saynor
executiveIn closing, I want to highlight a few upcoming initiatives. We will continue to focus on near-term biosimilar launches. Following the launch of Hyrimoz in the U.S., we're expecting to launch the high concentration formulation of adalimumab in Europe by year-end [indiscernible] extending the life cycle of the product. I also talked about our excitement of bringing Tyruko to market following the approval by the FDA and the EMA. Sandoz' natalizumab will be the launch as the first biosimilar to treat relapsing forms of multiple sclerosis and we expect to be the only biosimilar available in the coming years. On the regulatory side, we're expecting the FDA approval for denosumab, which is one of our pipeline biosimilars in bone disease and oncology. Regarding corporate events, our full year results will be published on March 13, 2024. Subsequently, the first Annual General Meeting is scheduled on April 30, 2024. To wrap up, our underlying business is performing well, with 8 consecutive quarters of top line growth. We're making progress with our regulatory milestones, and we're bringing new products to the market. We continue to see strong demand for our biosimilars and are investing in our future growth. We look forward to our year-end call where we'll cover our full financial performance and provide guidance for the full year 2024. Finally, I want to thank all our employees once again for delivering strong sales performance year-to-date and delivering on our clear purpose to pioneer access for patients and to become the world's leading and most valued generics and biosimilars company. We are now more than happy to take your questions. So let's open up the line for Q&A.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Thibault Boutherin from Morgan Stanley.
Thibault Boutherin
analystMaybe the first one on [indiscernible] biosimilar. I saw in your release that you mentioned the first half of '24 launch, I think, for both the U.S. and Europe. And so I just wanted to know if you could confirm the IP situation in Europe. And in the U.S., does it reflect your confidence in the settlement with Biogen? Or does it simply mean you are ready to launch [indiscernible] in the first half? And maybe my second question on the biosimilar [indiscernible] situation. I mean obviously, [indiscernible] done an incredible job in terms of [indiscernible] markets biosimilar so far. Just trying to understand what do you think is going to unlock this market because it's difficult for us to understand what prevents [indiscernible] a similar strategy in one year, 2 years or 3 years. So it is the question of driving down net prices to a point where it's not being interesting for them. So just trying to understand driver of market [indiscernible] in the U.S.
Richard Saynor
executiveOkay. Thank you so much for your question. I guess two parts. Tysabri, yes, from European point of view, again, we're confident in terms of the patent position, and we're confident that we will launch in the first half of next year. In the U.S., again, we had a strong -- with the Preliminary Injunction hearing, again, we had a strong outcome in terms of that Coar case. So clearly, we would certainly consider launching at risk coming to the market, given the strength of that Coar case and our strength and belief in the patent position. So again, excited to bring a product to the market where we see a real need for patients, but also the reality is probably no other biosimilar coming into that space. Your question around adalimumab in the U.S. I mean it's an interesting one clearly. At the moment, I think something like 97% of coverage is still on the originator product. Certainly, the feedback we expect as we go through next year, and we think we've guided this pretty much from the beginning is that as formularies [indiscernible], as payers' frameworks change, we expect that to start moving. And we're starting to see some momentum. I guess what I'm happy about is today that we've got more lives covered, so all three of the PBMs have us listed. So that gives us an extremely broad coverage. But also on top of that, we -- clearly with the partnership with [indiscernible] that, effectively, that means that we have contractual volumes that we have to deliver to them, which also will underpin our business both in 2023 and into 2024 and beyond. So I think we've always guided this will be a build rather than a bank. What we are seeing, I guess, is more and more, I guess, new patients rather than necessarily switch patients at this point being put on the product. So I'm confident that we'll build a very attractive franchise over the coming quarters.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Simon Baker at Redburn Atlantic.
Simon Baker
analystI've got a few, if I may, please. Firstly, on the split of generics and biosimilars by region. At the Capital Market Day, you said that the generic biosimilar split for the U.S. was 80-20 in '22 and 88-12 in international. Is that still the case for the 9 months of 2023? And also at the same time, you gave an aspiration of reaching 70% of sales from biosimilars and complex generics. Could you give us where we are today in terms of that split? And then I do have a question on adalimumab pricing. Within the U.S. market, you obviously weren't first, but arguably, you are best given the formulation that you've got. I just wonder how that works out in terms of pricing versus the previous players. We've seen a lot of data, particularly from Amgen about the evolution of price as additional entrants into the market. Do those dynamics apply here? Or does the fact that you have a differentiated offering give you greater pricing power in that space?
Richard Saynor
executiveColin, do you want to take the first two, and then I'll take the last one if that's okay?
Colin Bond
executiveYes. Happy to do that, Richard. So [indiscernible] year-to-date 9 months, on which we're actually giving the guidance today or the update today, 22% is our year-to-date bio sales and 78% on generic. We break down the sales then by region, as we've committed to doing, 26% on international, 21% on North America and 53% in Europe, but we don't actually give a breakdown within the region into generics and biosimilars. Richard, over to you.
Richard Saynor
executiveYes. Thank you. On the adalimumab pricing, I mean, clearly, at the moment, it's a market that's being negotiated. I guess we've both gone into the high price strategy or a high list price strategy and a low list price strategy depending on what ultimately our customers want. I guess I can come back to ultimately whatever pricing at the moment we're seeing in the U.S. on aggregate, it's still significantly higher than pretty much anywhere else in the rest of the world. So this is a highly attractive market. It's an interesting question. I mean ultimately, we have a great product. We have a really good device. In many ways, we think it's better -- probably the best device available to patients. And certainly, given the intimate relationship between patients and product, we do think this product has potential to be sticky. But equally, I'm not naive to the fact that ultimately, it's what's on formulary and what insurers are prepared to pay for. So we have to be competitive in that market. And when you look at that from that lens, ultimately, you need several things to be successful in this market. Well, we're #1 ex U.S. We have millions of patient data. We're vertically integrated, and we have a good cost of goods. We have both strengths and we have a great delivery device. Nobody else really has that combination of things, either they're sharing their margin with somebody else, they only have one presentation, and certainly, they don't have the data package that we have. So we're confident that we can build this franchise going quarter-on-quarter going ahead.
Simon Baker
analystJust a quick follow-up. I think you may have missed the -- and I don't know whether you want to answer it. The question on the current percentage of revenues from biosimimilars and complex generics versus the 70% aspiration.
Richard Saynor
executiveWell, I think the 70% was very much -- we've guided over the next 5 years. So what we said over the next 5 years, we would launch about $3 billion of new assets, of which $1.5 billion will come from biosimilars. So that would give you a sense of, okay, currently, our business is what, 22% biosimilars, growing at mid-teens on which we're going to then launch $1.5 billion of new biosimilar business. So you can see that the proportion of biosimilar business is going to grow quite strongly over the next few years. We don't actually break out any further in terms of complex and simple generics. And that's something we may need to think about in the future. But certainly, at the moment, what we do is break out between the two. And I think we've given enough information to sort of give a sense of what proportion certainly over the next 3 to 5 years will be biosimilar.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from Graham Parry from Bank of America.
Graham Parry
analystSo first is on the North America stabilization. And I don't want to get specific numbers here, but can you just help us directionally in what's happening specifically within the U.S. now in the quarter? So is U.S. in constant exchange rates still declining? Is that flat or is it actually now growing? Secondly, on FX, I think you guided -- your full year guidance is at constant currencies. Looks like FX has had less of a negative effect in the quarter. And if rates stayed unchanged for the rest of the year, what do you think the FX impact on your top line would be for the full year 2023? And then a question on cough/cold that obviously helped first half growth rates. Can you just remind us, is there a tough comp for cough/cold in the fourth quarter that we should be conscious that it might slow your volume growth rates in the generics business in the fourth quarter?
Richard Saynor
executiveColin, do you want to take the first two, and I'll take the cough and cold.
Colin Bond
executiveAbsolutely. So, Graham, thanks for the question, but we don't break down North America into the individual countries. And what we've said in the press release is that we're confident of North America stabilizing ahead of the biosimilar launches and ramp up that are forthcoming. So -- and then on your question on FX, on a year-to-date 9-month basis versus the prior year. There's about a 1% impact on the top line because the euro and the dollar or the euro accounts for 40% of our revenue has been pretty stable so far. Now the euro is obviously increased in value over the last weeks, which will tend then to give a positive effect in Q4, but that's somewhat offset by the fact that currencies like the Egyptian pound and the yen in which we are [indiscernible] actually will have an offsetting negative impact. So broadly, as I said, 9 months year-to-date, a relatively small impact or approximately 1%. And let's see because we actually convert our sales on a month-by-month basis at the prevailing average exchange rates in the dollar. So I can't -- obviously can't predict what is in store for the fourth quarter.
Richard Saynor
executiveAnd then on your question, cough and cold, I mean, clearly, the season is a little late this year. I mean clearly, we've had a very strong warm autumn. I guess there were a couple of dynamics. I mean last year, demand was way ahead of ability to supply, not just from ourselves but from a number of competitors. As we go into this year, now clearly, we -- our supply position is stronger. So I'm confident in our ability to do that. And certainly, our demand at this point, particularly from the pharmacy chains and wholesalers, particularly things like anti-infectives is very, very strong. Ultimately, how strong or late, the final flu season, it's probably a little bit too early to see, but certainly from the demand that we're seeing, I'm confident that the comps should be reasonable compared to this year versus last.
Graham Parry
analystGot it. Okay. Actually, can I just throw one follow-up in there as well. Just price erosion also seems to be less actually through this year than you were seeing historically. Just wondering if that helps with EBITDA margins and potentially getting you more towards the top end of your guidance range for the year?
Richard Saynor
executiveSo it doesn't do any harm, for sure. I mean I think we've said -- I think normally, we've always guided assumed in our planning assumptions and also going forward about a 5% price erosion. This year, we've seen about a net 3% price erosion. Clearly, strong inflationary pressures at the beginning of the year, things like energy and labor and input costs. What's encouraging is we're seeing those pretty much [indiscernible] out towards the end of the year. So clearly, I think it's certainly going to help in terms of the margin mix as we go forward into this year and into next. And certainly, it's certainly not harming the top line by a couple of points.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our next question is from [indiscernible] at Barclays.
Unknown Analyst
analystYes, a couple of questions from me. Thanks, firstly, my apologies for the background noise, there's a fire alarm going on right now. Firstly, I'd love to get your thoughts around the FDA seeking to eliminate interchangeability or at least deemphasize that. How does that impact your developmental plans for future biosimilars and also the current go-to-market strategy? Second question, probably following up on the previous one about the improving pricing trends where you called out continued stabilization. Can you comment more on the sustainability of the factors which are driving this trend, especially going into the next one or 2 years?
Richard Saynor
executiveOkay. And I hope you're okay with the fire alarm. The FDA exchangeability, I mean, honestly, I think from a personal point of view, I think the designation caused more confusion than it actually helped. If you think about biosimilars in Europe, they're automatically effectively designated interchangeable once they've given an approval. And I think the fact that the U.S or the FDA authorities created a position where one product was interchangeable specifically to one other, actually it causes more confusion than not. Honestly, I do not see it as a barrier to entry. Clearly, at the moment, currently, we don't actually have interchangeability designation [indiscernible] U.S., and yet we have more lives covered than anybody else. So I think from a real world point of view, we have the data and the support to support patients and prescribers to use the product. And I think that's really how I see it going forward. So it doesn't change our strategy, it doesn't change our thinking. And again, I go back to some of the comments that I made at the CMD. Ultimately, we define our portfolio very much with the European lens in mind. And so that the U.S., the incremental cost then to file in the U.S. actually is very minimal. So we see the U.S. becomes much more of an opportunity built on a solid foundation of our European business. And that's really how I see it. So I think the current position actually just brings the U.S. much more in line with certainly the European regulators in terms of thinking in terms of how biosimilars are adopted and used. In terms of pricing trends, I mean, clearly, that's the way I like it in terms of the movement. But as I said before, I don't really see -- hope is in the strategy in terms of this trend continues. I'm certainly encouraged. I mean I've met with probably 8 or 9 [indiscernible]this year, having this conversation. And clearly, as an industry, we're very much seen as part of the solution, not part of the problem. I think the antibiotics business particularly gives us access to government in terms of having realistic conversations. It still frustrates me that we sell a pack of antibiotics more cheaper than a pack of M&M's and yet ultimately, we need to invest and make these products sustainable for generations ahead. So I think we're having those conversations. That said, we've still assumed about a 5% price erosion in our forward plans. I think that's prudent. But clearly, we're encouraged that we're now finding mechanisms to work with government, either shaping tenders finding investment into manufacturing technologies, getting rewarded for holding inventory. There isn't one solution to this, but certainly, I'm encouraged by the conversations that we're having.
Unknown Analyst
analystGreat. And if we could just add a follow-up, in your Slide #11, you spoke about the biosimilars market growing -- expecting to grow from $23 billion to $122 billion. And I presume that you're speaking about the global biosimilars market into 2?
Richard Saynor
executiveCorrect. And also, I guess what's interesting about -- I mean, because again, the trouble you're getting, I guess, a number of figures, clearly, you're looking at the gross figure from IQVIA, which doesn't really -- for us, actually biosimilars, it goes back to the point I think Colin made that the added growth is in mid-teens in Europe 3 years since we last launched this product because we're treating more patients much sooner in the life cycle of their disease. And so the headline figure that you see really doesn't do that opportunity justice. If you think about a drug like denosumab, I think about really the indication for osteoporosis, the biphosphonates as a class of drug are quite horrible. But patients just traditionally have never been given access to drugs like Prolia, particularly in Europe. So the opportunity to bring that in at a very different price point and massively expand the patient pool is really, really exciting and attractive. So it's an indication of the opportunity, but I think it only really shows part of that story.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from [indiscernible].
Unknown Analyst
analystMy question would be regarding the price erosion also and the fact that it's, I would say, on the bright side of your guidance of negative mid-single digits. Could you elaborate a bit and tell us where does it come from and from which category? Is it more from the generic side? Is it more from the biosimilar side? And could you explain to us what was so good over the 9 first months.
Richard Saynor
executiveI can make sure of things. I mean I think it's broad-based. It's not in one particular area. I think clearly, in a number of markets, you saw an evolution. So if you look at the U.S. during COVID, the FDA inspected [indiscernible]. So service levels were probably at an all-time high. And as a consequence of that, there was a significant price pressure, particularly given the strength of supply levels to wholesalers and intermediates. Post-COVID, clearly, health care systems struggled to come back to the system. We saw significant out-of-stocks in therapy areas like anti-infectives. The FDA then started inspecting sites and closing down a number of sites, particularly in the Asian market [indiscernible] weird knock-on effects that currently oncology meds are difficult to access in the U.S. And so I think some of that instability brought the attention of the insecure nature of the supply chain to governments, given the patient frustration quite rightly that they couldn't access these medicines. And then really an open dialogue, I've met with the head of the FDA. I think he summarized it quite nicely. The problem in the U.S. health care market is the originators are too expensive and generics are too cheap. And so I think based on that framework, we've been able to have conversations with payers and governments to say, okay, how do we make this industry more sustainable. We're treating in Europe, something like 80% of all drug usage is coming from the generics and biosimilar industry on aggregate, about 20% of the cost. And so I think clearly, we're finding mechanisms, as I said, there is one solution in one market [indiscernible]like Switzerland, we get compensated to hold inventory in Austria. The government are helping us invest in improved technologies to improve our cost of goods. In Germany, we're looking at how we save tenders to support European supply or European supported company. So it tends to be broad-based. But certainly, I think we're in a strong position, particularly given the size of our business in Europe and in the U.S. to have those conversations. [indiscernible] and it's interesting. I mean, in drugs like natalizumab, we're starting to have conversations with payers to look at, okay, how can we support whole markets potentially offer this at an industry-leading price and look at supporting whole market. So I think it's allowing us to have a very different kind of conversation with payers and governments.
Unknown Analyst
analystJust what would be then needed because of the way here it seems that you would be able to repeat this conversation with payers. What would be needed for you to change this guidance of negative mid-single to, let's say, low negative single-digit?
Richard Saynor
executiveIn terms of price erosion. And look, I think we've historically always -- I mean at the end of the day, we're selling products that price is a significant component factor of being purchased. It's very hard to change pricing decisions, basically because ultimately, these have to be competitive markets. I think there's different mechanisms by which we can support the industry, and I've given you a few examples. And clearly, that's ongoing. And also, I think we're about to enter an unprecedented period where we're launching assets into a space that drive significant financial burgeon to health care payers, not just in Europe but also in the U.S. I mean adalimumab [indiscernible] asset. There's a significant opportunity to save a large amount of money for patients and payers and treat more patients along the way. So our interests are all aligned. It's just ultimately having those conversations and working through them. But [indiscernible] simple solution. I don't think it is, it's about having -- being responsible, having scale and working clearly with partnership with in the U.S., it's with the PBMs and the insurers and in Europe, it's frequently governments and different framework providers.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's call. Thank you, everyone, for joining. This session has now ended.
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