Sanofi (SAN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
February 24, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Felix Lauscher
executiveGood morning, and good afternoon to everyone. Thank you for joining us to review today's announcement. Please note, there are no slides to accompany this call today. Before we start, I would like to remind you that information presented on this call will contain forward-looking statements, that involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially. I refer you to our Form 20-F document on file with the SEC and also our Document de Référence for a description of these risk factors. With that, let me introduce our Chief Financial Officer, Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon, who will make some introductory remarks on the strategic rationale and timelines for this important new initiative. After this, we will move straight into Q&A. Jean-Baptiste?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveThank you very much, Felix, and good morning, good afternoon to everyone. Today, so we announced our plan to create a new European leader in pharmaceutical API manufacturing. So the new standalone company would be based in France and is expected to bring together 6 of Sanofi's API plants across Europe, those with a high level of third-party sales and they will be put in the company together with associated commercial and development activities. So new entity would have around 3,100 employees and would supply a broad portfolio of around 200 APIs to customers in 80 countries. So based on 2019 estimated sales, it would rank #2 in the global API industry, which is, as you know, quite fragmented. And this industry is highly dependent on Asian suppliers today. So by 2022, the newly created European champion is expected to reach sales of approximately EUR 1 billion, and the decision will be taken early 2022 on a possible IPO, subject to market conditions. So the rationale. So rationale for this strategic project is twofold. First, it's consistent with the play to win priorities that we have announced during our Capital Market Day. It also reflects our conviction that the strong new European API leader we are creating would be well positioned to capture new growth opportunities in an attractive global marketplace. So let me explain both of those points in a little more detail. First, as you heard back in December, Sanofi has introduced a new strategic framework to drive innovation and growth. Our priorities include focusing the portfolio, leading with science, accelerating efficiency and reinventing how the company works. When we think about focus, API manufacturing is a critical part of our supply chain, but Sanofi has extra capacity that is used to supply third parties. Just under half the sales of the 6 API plants in the new company are to external customers. So consequently, we have decided to optimize our API footprint while maintaining critical supply agreements with the new standalone entity. Second, we believe as a European API leader, the new entity will have the capabilities and resources to capture substantial growth opportunities in API manufacturing and, in particular, to be a strong European-based alternative to Asian suppliers. To give you some background, we believe the API market is currently worth around EUR 120 billion, excluding biologics, and is growing at around 6% per annum. It is highly fragmented with around 600 players only 1 company has a market share over 1%. Importantly, the majority of supply comes from Asia, including more than 40% from China. This situation has resulted in increasing shortages of critical medicines in recent years, putting patients at risk. Furthermore, the industry has yet to see how the coronavirus situation will impact the global supply chain. But clearly, this has increased concerns about the heavy reliance of the pharma industry on API supply from Asia. Against this backdrop, we believe there will be strong demand for energized standalone European API champion with the right resources, quality and skill set. In addition, with the right balance sheet and an empowered management team, we would expect the new company to be in a position to evaluate inorganic growth opportunities to consolidate the fragmented industry. So moving on to the process. We plan to establish a new company as a standalone entity in 2021, subject to the usual social process. You should note that we do not expect this to have an impact on employment. Indeed, the creation of the new entity is, we believe, the best way to safeguard long-term employment. Furthermore, we will establish an equity plan and -- for the employee involved. The new company will benefit from a 5-year renewable supply agreement with Sanofi, so that we do not experience any disruption in our own supply chain, and it will be free to build its business externally. In early 2022, we plan to take a decision on a potential IPO of the business on Euronext Paris, which would, of course, be subject to market conditions. I can confirm that Sanofi's intention is that the newly listed company would be debt free, so that it is free to pursue its own strategy and raise capital, if needed, without existing debt constraints. Additionally, Sanofi plans to remain a cornerstone investor with an envisaged 30% minority stake in part to secure supply, but also to underscore Sanofi long-term commitment to the new entity and also to capture some of the value creation that I'm quite sure will be created in this new entity. Lastly, in terms of the financials, we do not expect this initiative to have a meaningful impact on Sanofi's 2022 BOI margin and free cash flow target. This is part of our CMD commitment. It is the execution of the plan. To be precise, we expect a neutral to slightly positive impact on our BOI margin after IPO, and our free cash flow would be largely unaffected as the loss of BOI contribution will be offset by a reduction in annual CapEx of just under EUR 100 million per year, and also by lowering working capital. To be clear, the motivation of this strategic project is to simplify and focus Sanofi and to unleash the potential of the new company. So I would now be happy to answer your questions.
Felix Lauscher
executiveWe will now open the call for questions. [Operator Instructions] Operator?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from Jo Walton from Crédit Suisse.
Jo Walton
analystI wonder if you could tell us where the revenues for this business are booked at the moment. And what sort of operating margin you would expect it to have? When you look at these sites, do they have any particular area of expertise? Because you talked about there being drug shortages out there. Are there any drug shortages coming from Asia that you, in Europe, have been able to take advantage of? Because when we try to value these companies, we try to think of whether they are -- whether they have a unique set of skills. And finally, could you give us some idea of what the book value for the assets that you would be getting rid of would be, please?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveYes. Thank you very much, Jo. Yes. The existing sales which is like, as I said, less than half the projected EUR 1 billion, 2022 is currently booked in Genmab. And yes, we have the experience, if I take irbesartan, if I pronounced properly, that we are producing in one of our plants. There was a big crisis in some Asian suppliers, and we were able to, as Sanofi, to go on with the continuity for patients. Thanks to our high-quality irbesartan manufacturing. So it's a bit early to talk evaluation of this new company. But I wanted to make sure through this call, such rather a clear understanding that it's part of our new strategy. It's part of our execution, and it will benefit, both Sanofi x this new company and the activity within this new company.
Jo Walton
analystAnd anything that is unique in terms of the skills that you have, I don't know, particular? You obviously can make irbesartan, but that was a drug that was your own anyway. Anything that you antifungals or something that is surprisingly unique to you that can't be made or isn't made in Asia?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveYes, Jo. I repeat, we are not on the vendor due diligence or on the pre-IPO path right now. But yes, we have done a full study. Within the portfolio, there are some niche products, which are with high skill set on the company, which is now providing third parties as a very high rating amongst its clients as being highly quality reliable on mastering the technique that are required for this API industry. Well, I could go -- we will go in the future into more details. But if I could speak of the all-legal nucleotides or the prostaglandins biochemistry that we -- that are mastered in our company. But honestly, this is not the point today.
Operator
operatorAnd your next question comes from Richard Vosser from JPMorgan.
Richard Vosser
analystFirst question, just on the COGS savings that you might be able to realize from the transaction for Sanofi. And maybe at the same time, talking about the utilization of these facilities. Are they underutilized, so therefore, there are a drag on the gross margin of the overall business? And then second question, it sounds like these facilities are mainly producing small molecule products, small molecule API, chemical API. So are there any biologic capabilities within these facilities maybe in Frankfurt, Lantus, I'm not sure. And just added to that, can you do the full fill/finish procedures through these -- so you can make the API, but also make the pills and the full fill/finish on there as well?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveYes. Thank you. There is no bio facilities, it's pure chemistry. The COGS impact will be like a neutral impact over time, because currently, we are not the best owner because inside our pharma activity it's not the main focus and it's not at the level of competitions, where it will be within 2 to 3 years time. So the COGS impact will be neutral. The inventory impact is around EUR 600 million of inventory right now within this perimeter. So as I said, there's no major financials impacting Sanofi through this operation. Of course, it will help the net debt reduction, but this is not the major thing. The major thing is, let's get focused on what is consistent with our strategy in terms of research and development and manufacturing in bio and be really true to this commitment. So COGS, I answered; bio, no. Frankfurt, it's only the chemistry piece, which is -- which would be included in this activity, and that's it.
Operator
operatorAnd your next question comes from Peter Verdult from Citigroup.
Peter Verdult
analystPeter Verdult, Citi. Just a couple of clarifications, Jean-Baptiste. Just on your prepared remarks, do we assume that the BOI margin is just slightly lower than group currently? And did you say that the business that you're going to spin out effectively, you booked EUR 500 million of sales in Genmab -- or sorry, in [ Gen med ] sorry, last year? And then just the last clarification, just a repeat of Richard's question. Can we assume the capacity utilization of these 6 plants is low? Any comment you are willing to give there would be helpful.
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveWe are being accretive over this. I confirm that the BOI will be slightly -- the impact would be slightly accretive.
Peter Verdult
analystOkay. And then just to repeat and clarify to make sure my question got answered. Did you say earlier on the current business you're booking, you've booked EUR 500 million of sales in 2019 in terms of API sales. Is that correct -- the correct number?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveYes. A bit less than that because the EUR 1 billion is the 2022 figure. So we are below that currently. It's more around EUR 400 million.
Peter Verdult
analystAnd then just to repeat Richard's question, maybe to push you a bit harder, on those 6 sites, I mean, clearly, you want to improve efficiency for Sanofi's manufacturing network or footprint. Would it be fair to say that capacity utilization is lower than at the group average for these 6 sites right now?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveThose sites have a capacity, which allows us to grow significantly. So yes, they have capacity to do more.
Operator
operatorAnd your next question comes from Jean-Jacques Le Fur from Bryan Garnier.
Jean-Jacques Le Fur
analystJust 2 quick questions. Does this network of 6 plants represent the totality of your small molecule APIs? Or does it concern only all the smallest ones, for example? And the second question is, why did you choose IPO route and not sort of JV, for example, with Lonza, like you already have in -- for biologic drugs?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveYes. Thank you very much. So the criteria is that the size because, as you see, they will reach by 2022, around EUR 1 billion net sales. But it's -- the criteria which has been retained is the fact that they are already now or will be heavily dedicated to third-party sales. There are also the -- those who are having the activity, which is with the most successful market growth that can be enjoyed with third parties. So it's -- that's the criteria. And in terms of your second question. What...
Jean-Jacques Le Fur
analystThe first question was about -- does this network of 6 plants represent the totality of your small molecule?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveNo. It's not a totality. It is all the plants of API, small molecule, no bios that effectively will be -- are already geared to third parties. We keep some of our sites, which are linked to our top 10 products on the key products in the pipeline within Sanofi.
Operator
operatorAnd your next question comes from Mark Purcell from Morgan Stanley.
Mark Purcell
analystI have 2. Firstly, will the API NewCo remain a European pure play? Or could you see opportunities to expand this potentially, say in the United States? And then secondly, could you help me understand the cost competitiveness of the [ adco ], NewCo versus the Asian API players. Are there certain areas where you have cost competitiveness? Or are you going to bring in additional capabilities there?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveYes. Thank you. And clearly, this company that we're looking at should have the capacity to consolidate some European players, but why not elsewhere. I mean there's no specific boundaries for that. So that's for the first point. The story of their performance in the future will tell. But I think it's a very open game in a fragmented industry. And on the dependency, as you know, Sanofi having currently, for instance, the existing crisis we have with -- potential crisis that could happen with -- on the back of Asian supply. We are less exposed than others because we have effectively the sourcing. So having a strong non-Asian alternative is strategically very good. In terms of cost, the efficiency of the processes in this industry are what leads the cost. So we have, in those facilities, several production, which are more competitive than the Chinese-based API. So there's room to be non-Asian and very competitive with the right management, on the right volume of demand.
Operator
operatorAnd your next question comes from Wimal Kapadia from Bernstein.
Wimal Kapadia
analystWimal Kapadia from Bernstein. Could I just -- I know you mentioned the margin impact that's neutral to slightly positive, but will you run your remaining facilities at a greater capacity as a result of the separation, and therefore, would we see an improvement in your base COGS longer term? And just any color around your existing facilities today, where are we in terms of utilization there? And then my second question is, are you able to quantify how much of your volumes come from outsource supplier's today? And I ask because with volumes now going to the NewCo, would you change any of your current outsource manufacturing to bring it in-house?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveYes. So yes, a bunch of questions about -- we are going to have sort of resulting sourcing. So we are looking at sourcing like 45% of our API from the NewCo, and 20% from the resource we retain. As I said before, the capacity utilization in those we are going to open in this NewCo to gain market share and grow are underutilized now. So we don't have to pour some CapEx into it before the IPO, it can really take a significant growth as it is right now. On the remaining sites that we retained, they are very linked to our pipeline. That's sites where we are doing the CMD for SERD, for BTKi, for venglustat. So it is very -- the focus there, the efficiency of the launches of those new assets and with some successes in those assets of our pipeline, they will be very well saturated because all of those assets I'm mentioning here have a capacity to be blockbusters. So that's the way we'll look at it. Priorities for our remaining site is to be able to be ready to launch our key assets.
Operator
operatorAnd your next question comes from Peter Welford from Jefferies.
Peter Welford
analystAbout 2 left, please. Firstly, just with regards to the management, is the management of this company already in place? And I guess, as well, just regards to staff retention between now and 2022, are the processes that you put in place to retain some of these members of staff, I guess, in the interim period until the equity compensation plan can obviously be formed? And then secondly, again, between now and 2022, I guess, is there the efforts for already this NewCo to start looking at becoming a more significant CMO player? I guess, in the sense, both inorganic but also as well take on a greater share of contracts with them? Or is the idea that this intervening period will very much be focused on sort of, I guess, strategic and formulate the company and it's unlikely that there will be greater external customers taken on in the intervening period until we get to 2022?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveYes. It's a great point because when we look back, we see that historically, we were refraining to supply some of the API we produce because for historical reasons, which are not valid today. So effectively, we gave as of today, the freedom to the management team to increase its market share and to be able to supply API to those who could take it. But we have also -- all those who have -- we're refraining to place orders with this entity because they were looking at it as being Sanofi and being a competitor. So we see a very significant opportunity, and we want to trigger it as of now. That ties up with your first question about management. As of today, we are setting up a team, even though the IPO, of course, is not the day after, but we ask them to work as if they were an independent company in all commercial aspect in the entrepreneurship, in the cash management, in the efficiency. So we have a CEO who is well experimented, which is [ Jack Broom ] which will lead the process, but we will add up some capabilities by creating a governance for the interim period, which will reinforce the competitiveness of this new entity.
Operator
operatorAnd our last question comes from Keyur Parekh from Goldman Sachs.
Keyur Parekh
analystTwo separate questions, please, and apologies if you have already answered this. But can you give us a sense for what the cash flows associated with these businesses were? And then secondly, Jean-Baptiste, you mentioned kind of this something a part of kind of the new Sanofi strategy. Are there other similar businesses that sit within Sanofi that we may not be well appreciative of, where we might be able to see you do similar stuff over the next kind of 12, 24 months?
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveThank you very much for those questions. When we initiated play to win, we have always said that we were reviewing all assets and that we would execute where, including topics that we are very static in Sanofi, I would say. And this is today the demonstration that from the CMD, which was like 2 months ago, we are ready to start executing on our road map to really be true to our purpose in terms of focus, science, on delivering transformative medicines. So this is the beginning of our road map. This is a proof point today. I will not comment on other things we could do, but we will keep reviewing everything, which make sense within this strategy. In terms of cash flow, well, let's be clear, this is an industry, API industry, which is profitable and cash flow generative, but within Sanofi, it was not. So it is clearly reflecting the fact that when you have a breadth of activities, which is too large, you are not the best partners, when it's not directly fitting your strategic intent. So on a cash flow wise, then at the moment where we will do the operation, if we can do it in 2022, it will, as I said, 70%, if we keep 30%, 70% of the valuation net of the cost of setting it up will come to reduce our net debt. Is that clear?
Felix Lauscher
executiveThank you very much, everyone.
Jean-Baptiste de Chatillon
executiveWell, thank you. Thank you very much for taking this call today. I'm sorry, it was very short notice, but I wanted to make sure that one, you hear from me that it's part of the execution of play to win; second, that we can have this Q&A about the financial impact, which is not the main intent. It's more really the play to win focus that we are looking at. And to share with you this new proof point of execution of our road map that we presented to you in December. So with that, thank you very much, and talk to you soon for the next quarter. Thank you very much.
Read the full transcript via the API
You're viewing the first half of this call. Get the complete Sanofi transcript — plus 248,000+ transcripts from 12,000+ companies, speaker segments, AI summaries and full-text search — through the EarningsCalls.dev API.
Get the API View API docs →This call discussed
For developers and AI pipelines
Programmatic access to Sanofi earnings transcripts and 248,000+ others is available through the
EarningsCalls.dev REST API. Plans from $24.99/month — full transcripts, speaker segments,
full-text search, and the recently-added /api/v1/transcripts/recent polling endpoint for ETL pipelines.