SCOR SE (SCR) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 7, 2023

Euronext Paris FR Financials Insurance shareholder_meeting 51 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the SCOR P&C January 2023 Renewals Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would now like to hand the call over to Mr. Yves Cormier. Please go ahead, sir.

Yves Cormier

executive
#2

Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to SCOR P&C January 2023 renewals. My name is Yves Cormier, Head of Investor Relations, and I'm joined on the call today by Jean-Paul Conoscente, Chief Executive Officer of SCOR P&C; and Romain Launay, Deputy Chief Executive Officer of SCOR P&C. Before we start, I would like to remind you that SCOR full year 2022 results will be presented on the second of March. So when it comes to the Q&A session, we will only be able to refer to the renewals information that is provided in the press release or in the slides, and I please ask you to consider the disclaimer on Page 2 of the presentation. And now I would like to hand over to you, Jean-Paul.

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#3

Thank you, Yves, and good afternoon, everyone. I'd like to share with you the outcome of the January 1, 2023 renewals. As a reminder, these renewals represent a little less than 70% of our reinsurance portfolio and almost 50% of our total annual P&C expected gross premium income for 2023. You'll find more information in the slides and press release distributed earlier today. I won't go through the slides. I wish to present you a brief overview of our achievements. We are very satisfied with the outcome of the reinsurance renewals in January 2023. These renewals marked a decisive shift in the reinsurance market dynamics. For the first time in almost 20 years, there was an imbalance in demand supply in the Cat market, which led to market resetting with bargaining power in favor of reinsurers. While the market roughly was limited to Cat, market hardening was generalized, driven by an increasingly volatile environment, continued unsatisfactory results for reinsurers and sustained high Cat loss activity. As announced during our Investor Day in November 2022, we tackled this round of renewals with a sole objective to improve the expected technical profitability and the risk return profile of our portfolio, leveraging the favorable market conditions. Our approach is underpinned by 2 key principles: optimizing capital allocation between lines of business and increasing portfolio diversification and technical results resilience. The favorable market environment helped us apply these principles while maintaining strong client relationships. Our underwriting actions led to a number of changes in both the profile and the profitability of our portfolio. Looking first at the portfolio profile, we pursue the rebalancing of our portfolio while optimizing the overall risk returns. We expanded our global lines footprint in what we view as segments yielding superior returns on capital. Our global lines EGPI grew by 11%, excluding agriculture. In that segment, we shifted the book towards nonproportional structures. On Cat programs, correlated charge in pushing for and obtaining increased cedants’ retentions, reduced frequency coverage, aggregates, proportional covers and better terms and conditions. Driven by the objective to reduce climate-sensitive volatility of the portfolio, we reduced our 1-in-250-year net Cat PML by 14%. At the same time, we also reduced our exposure to inflation sensitive lines. This led us to reduce our footprint in U.S. casualty and motor proportional business. In these lines of business, we view the market improvements as insufficient for the expected increase in loss cost driven by social and economic inflation. The impact of these actions on expected profitability has been significant. We achieved an average rate across the portfolio -- an average rate increase across the portfolio of 9%. Excluding the proportional portfolio, the rate increase achieved was 24%, including 35% for property Cat. This exceeded our revised forward-looking view of loss costs. The combination of these actions, reducing some business and increasing rates on others, led to a 2.5 to 3-point improvement in the expected net underwriting ratio with a 12% control reduction of our EGPI. I would now like to provide some additional details on 3 areas of note, the impact of our actions on the EGPI, how we led the property portfolio renewal and the impact on expected net profitability. Starting with the impact of our actions on the EGPI, we implemented the strategy outline in November of reviewing and remediating targeted underperforming client relationships and segments. Most importantly is the combination of our 2 actions. Firstly, reducing what we want to write less of and secondly, significantly increasing on business that we like. Taking a firm view of the need for improvement, we reduced our non-renewed 29% of the premium up for renewal, dominated by a small number of large premium volume relationships. The most significant segments impacted were proportional treaties across U.S. casualty, property, agriculture and motor. What is crucial to understand is that excluding these remediation actions, and the impact of higher cedants’ Cat retentions, we grew the rest of the portfolio by 23%. 70% of this growth came from rate increases and 30% came from increased shares and new business. Despite the strong underwriting actions, our client relationships remain strong, as we review it as a consistent market, we required changes communicated early in the renewal process. We maintained our strong franchise in Europe and Canada and continue to see attractive opportunities in the European region. We grew the proportion of this region by 6 points versus 2022. From a line of business perspective, we continue to see excess rate adequacy in Engineering, Cyber, Marine and Decennial and targeted these segments for growth. As a result, we increased the share of Global Lines in our renewal portfolio by 7 points versus 2022. Zooming in on the property renewals, we had roughly EUR 1.6 billion of property premium up for renewal at January 1. Following up plan announced as early as Monte Carlo in September, we significantly reduced proportional in aggregate covers, redeployed the capacity to Cat XL programs, increase the retentions on Property Cat XLs, pushed for high double-digit Rate on Line increases and negotiated terms and conditions that restrict the coverage, which has been extensively expanded during the past 20 years of submarket renewals. We pushed market retentions towards the 1- and 10-year return period across the portfolio globally, resulting in retention increases ranging from 60% to 150% in major markets outside the U.S. and over 30% increases in the U.S., which generally had higher attachment funds. Looking at Rate on Line, which represent the price increase per unit of exposure before adjusting for underlying exposure change, the increases achieved were the largest seen in over 20 years with an average increase exceeding 70% on our North American portfolio and reaching almost 45% on our European portfolio. While pushing for these significant changes, we also realized our forward-looking view of Cat risk, incorporating an average inflation of over 10% in Western Europe and the U.S. and increased frequency and severity trends due to expected climate change effects. These changes should allow us to keep up with a fast evolving environment while positioning the bulk of the portfolio away from the most frequent type of events. Through these actions, we reduced the overall Cat limits deployed by 9% year-over-year and increased our net 250-year PML by 14% after incorporating our revised view of risk. The combination of these actions, reducing business that we don't like and growing a business that we like allowed us to reinforce a forward-looking view of risk and obtained improvement exceeding our expected loss costs. The net impact in improvement of 2.5 to 3 points of our expected net profitability across all lines of business and geographies. We achieved this while also delivering a more resilient portfolio with less climate-sensitive volatility and a significant improvement of our net risk return profile. Through these successful renewals, SCOR is confident that the current P&C cycle will continue. We're actively preparing the upcoming 2023 renewals and remain well positioned to take full advantage of an expected positive market environment. I will now take any questions you might have.

Yves Cormier

executive
#4

Thank you very much, Jean-Paul. So with that, we can start the Q&A. Can I please remind you to limit yourself to 2 questions each.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] We do have our first question from Andrew Ritchie from Autonomous Capital Management.

Andrew Ritchie

analyst
#6

I just wanted to explore Slide 9, particularly the -- which talks a little bit about the upcoming renewals. Maybe Jean-Paul, just give us a sense as to where you still feel there are -- you've written on the slide margin improvement opportunities. I'm not sure what areas would be incremental. But you're also saying that slight additional capital available for deployment. I'm not sure what you mean by additional capital. Is that because of capital that wasn't deployed at 1/1? Or are you anticipating raising or finding additional capital in some form or another? Maybe just clarify what you mean there? And the only other question was on -- could you just talk a bit through the outwards Retro experience at 1/1. I think your net margin improvement of 2.5 to 3 points is net of any increase in Retro. But just to clarify that and clarify the shape of the outlook Retro.

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#7

Thank you, Andrew. On your first question for the upcoming renewals, we do see opportunities to further improve the risk, let's say, the risk return profile of the portfolio. Compared to the January 1 ones, which are very heavily focused on Europe, the April and June, July are focused on regions which already have been gone through significant remediation actions last year. And so we think that the market cycle will continue as it has in January, and therefore, there will be interesting opportunities for us to continue to improve the portfolio. In terms of the capital available, what we meant to show there is that we still have the capital required for right business that we want to write. So we're not constrained by capital currently in terms of business opportunities. On your second question on Retro, we expected a very difficult Retro renewal season, which was the case, and it was actually made more difficult by Hurricane Ian but we have a very good diversification of virtual between traditional and ILS markets. And that allowed us to purchase the Retro that we needed. On the Cat side, having written less Cat business, we also purchased less Retro limits and yes, you're right, the 2.5 to 3-point improvement is net of Retro, including the Retro cost.

Andrew Ritchie

analyst
#8

Is there any significant change in your non-nat cat retro. I mean, for example, it was discussed in the past that you've grown more into man-made risk away from nat cat risk. But in the past, you were very comfortable there was a lot of Retro capacity available for non-nat cat to lay that off. Is that still the case?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#9

We bought all the capacity that we're looking for. It was a difficult market in all segments in terms of reinsurance or retro but capacity was there at an increased price, but as anticipated.

Operator

operator
#10

Next question, please. Our next question comes from Vinit Malhotra of Mediobanca.

Vinit Malhotra

analyst
#11

Yes. Jean-Paul. So just 2 topics as promised. One is the -- so you mentioned about Europe and Canada and Europe being much more a focus area. But I'm also seeing dramatically strong reduction in European wind PML, even, I think, stronger than the U.S. from just the looks of it. And I'm just curious whether you could update us a bit about the European wind PML, but also any commentary you might have on the Cat approach. I understand that you reduced the new proportional in XL, but anything specifically that you would like to add would be welcome? Second thing I'm curious is the -- is obviously U.S. Casualty and Motor were kind of being talked about but Credit and Surety as well has been listed, and that's a line that I think I remember you got into quite involved way after the credit crisis. But I mean, it's just surprising that you're taking an excessive stands here. Can you just comment a bit about the reasoning behind that, please?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#12

Thank you, Vinit. On the first question in European wind storm, it was really driven by actions on a few programs that were big drivers of European wind capacities. As you know, we support some of the large European companies that have not just European wind, but also global programs covering European wind and U.S. wind and other perils. And so some of the actions we took on those programs had a significant effect on the overall European wind capacity. Also the move of the retention, as you can see in Europe is where there was the most significant move. And so that put us at a more higher level in terms of PML consumption.

Vinit Malhotra

analyst
#13

So it was just -- was it intentional, or it just happened along with the portfolio?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#14

Yes. Yes, it was intentional, yes. On your second question, Credit and Surety, we -- from COVID, there was a lot of concern about the line of business, which has not materialized. At the same time, the credit insurance companies have done significant improvements to the portfolio. So we consider the underlying business is still attractive. However, as we have a forward-looking view on the economic situation and see heavy headwinds with regards to recession, we think that the -- this upcoming environment required some improvements on the underlying reinsurance terms that we were not able to achieve in many instances. And therefore, we took some actions to reduce our share. So here, it was more curtailing our shares on these programs. In terms of premium, the overall premium income for Credit and Surety remained stable compared to last year. And so the share decreases were compensated by premium increases on the primary side.

Yves Cormier

executive
#15

Can we go to the next question?

Operator

operator
#16

Our next question comes from Thomas Fossard of HSBC.

Thomas Fossard

analyst
#17

One question would be related to the guidance regarding the profitability of the current year to the 2.5% to 5% -- sorry, 3% profitability improvement. Can you help us to link this with your current guidance of 95% combined ratio. Obviously, there is no mention on any combined ratio guidance in your release this morning. So any -- any view on that will be helpful. The second question would be related to the EUR 358 million of additional SCR booked at 9 months in your Solvency II for operating capital deployment. It looks a very high number already at that time, but now looking at your minus 12% EGPI, it looks very, very -- too high number or maybe there is something that we missed in terms of understanding? Or would that mean that actually there will be a significant release of this potential growth that did not materialize fully at 1/1. So yes, also, any comment on that would be greatly appreciated.

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#18

Yes. Thank you, Thomas. On your first question regarding profitability. So what we're presenting here is the front book underwriting in 2023 at January 1. That should be compared to the assumptions we had for the front book underwriting at January 1, 2022. So the portfolio takes a couple of years to be earned through on a financial year basis. This should provide you some additional comfort that we can restore profitability and achieve a net combined ratio of 95% or below. Of course, these numbers will be different under IFRS 17. Regarding the second question that you had on the SCR, the volume decreased, but also, as you may have noted, the assumptions, such as view of risk have increased. So there's no direct translation into the SCR that is -- that we can derive from that. And this should not be taken as a signal of that capital will be released. As usual, we'll communicate a Solvency II metrics as part of the next quarterly results disclosure, and then we can discuss the topic further at that time.

Thomas Fossard

analyst
#19

And maybe one more, which might be related to the -- to my second question. Could you explain us what drove the decision to further shrink the Property Cat PMLs by 14%. What I think that at the Investor Day back in September after having achieved a 21% prediction, I think the message of the group was to say probably we've done what we needed to do. So maybe what we can say well on this.

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#20

Yes. I think with the increased view of risk, what we want to do is give better certainty of achieving our Cat budget of 8%, achieving our net combined ratio target of 95%. And so we increased the view of risk and through that, that forced us to take some tough decisions on a number of programs, and that's what led to the PML reduction. So I think the Cat market is as good as we've seen it in a long time in terms of the underlying metrics. Still, the portfolio is Cat, and so it has significant volatility as well. And so what we're trying to do is get the right return for that volatility and manage the volatility.

Yves Cormier

executive
#21

Can we go to the next question, please?

Operator

operator
#22

Our next question comes from Freya Kong of Bank of America.

Freya Kong

analyst
#23

First question, so you've undertaken significant portfolio rebalancing at January renewals. EGPI down 12%. Should we expect to see further rebalancing or restructuring over the coming renewals? Or would you say that the vast majority of this is now complete? And secondly, you've talked about conservative forward-looking claims inflation assumptions, which drove you to be more cautious in casualty and merger proportional. How comfortable are you with the claims inflation assumptions on your existing reserves? Did the Q3 reserve charge adequately cover this?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#24

So on your first question of the rebalancing. As I mentioned before, there is the portfolios that come up for renewal for the rest of the year have already gone through significant remediation in the past. So the market remains hard in our view, for those renewals, but we'll have to see the extent to which terms continue to improve. So we believe that there's still opportunities for us to attract good opportunities and there may not be as much remediation needed as it was on January 1. With regards to your second question, related to inflation. So at January 1, the claims inflation ranges that we used range between 4% and 14%, depending on the geography and line of business with the highest inflation observed in the U.S. and Europe. There is no easy reconciliation with the reserve strengthening as this was assessed across all underwriting years on top of the inflation assumptions that were already included in the reserves. So I think the underlying assumptions are consistent but I think it's difficult to do a direct comparison.

Yves Cormier

executive
#25

Can we go to the next question, please?

Operator

operator
#26

Our next question comes from Kamran Hossain of JPMorgan.

Kamran Hossain

analyst
#27

A couple of questions. First one is just on the Retro spend. I know we've -- a couple of you have asked about this already. Maybe could you just give us the absolute change in Retro spend year-on-year just as a percentage of your absolute terms, just interested in that and how that might fare versus last year? The second question, coming back to the I guess, the change or the improvement in the underwriting. Obviously, it's very positive news. I don't think it's good for SCOR and good for the industry. I think I was interested in your comments around an increased view of risk, which again, I don't think is solely related to SCOR. But it probably suggests you're 95% -- towards 95% last year is probably the wrong starting point. But then again, the 103% that you're out of the 9 months, again, probably the one starting point. So I'm just trying to get an idea of where we should kick this off, where we should actually be thinking about for that 2.5 to 3 points to earn through over the next couple of years? Because I assume if you're running at 95% and then you had 2.5 to 3 points, you probably would have kept a bit more business. So just interested in that? And any color on that?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#28

On the rental spend, we don't communicate the figures you're looking for, but to give you a rough idea of the price increases year-on-year -- for our peak perils on the Cat side, price increases were between 20% and 30% per current players and that's to be compared to the Rate on Line increases we got on the business we accepted, that was the figures I presented previously. So -- and of course, on the Retro side, it was less proportional and less aggregate available as we had signaled before and anticipated. On your second question, again, repeating what I said before, what we see here is the underwriting year 2023. And really, what we're focused on is achieving the net combined ratio of 95% that we indicated previously. So that's really our focus.

Yves Cormier

executive
#29

Can we go to the next question, please.

Operator

operator
#30

Our next question comes from Derald Goh of RBC.

Teik Goh

analyst
#31

Two questions, please. The first one is just your comment on Slide 3 that you've strengthened your relationship with clients. Maybe some insight into that, please. I mean, seeing how that -- you seem as though you've gotten the rates that you wanted, while also cutting volumes. So how have you strengthened those relationships or how you're managing it precisely. And the second one is just on that improved risk/return profile. I wonder if it's possible to quantify it somehow. I think there was a slide at the 9-month stage where you showed the probability of exceeding a 95% combined ratio is 14% lower versus 2022. Is there an updated number to that? Or I mean, any other way of quantifying that improved risk/return profile, please?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#32

Thank you. On your first question, yes, the relationship with many clients have been improved because I think we came out very early with what we wanted to do. And we're very clear starting at the very beginning of the renewal season in September about the changes that we needed and how we would deploy our capital. So I think initially, we may have been one of the early starters of -- in terms of announcements. But as the renewal progressed, we remain very consistent compared to some of our peers that change course towards the end -- as the renewals progressed. So the feedback we got from clients, I'd say after the renewals that we were a tough market in terms of negotiations, but consistent and reliable. And I think this is what clients are looking for in terms of long-term partners, somebody who's consistent and reliable, and that's the feedback we received. With regards to your second question, I think we tried to provide some of this on Slide 9 of the presentation. The improvement -- and again, this is based on price and based on underwriting year, not financial year. But we see the improvement in the risk return profile, double digit in terms of what we had last year. So we haven't done the calculations you're referring to. This is just on the renewals at January 1. We'll have to see the renewals for the whole year and how the year progresses to give you that type of information.

Yves Cormier

executive
#33

Thank you. Next question, please.

Operator

operator
#34

Our next question comes from Ashik Musaddi of Morgan Stanley.

Ashik Musaddi

analyst
#35

I just have a couple of questions, if I may. So first of all, can you just give us some moving parts on your capital? Because if I look at your disclosure. I mean what you're saying is basically, you have cut Property Cat and you have cut some of the Casualty lines and Motor lines, which I would be thinking is like heavy capital-intensive business? And where you have added is typically specialty lines which I would be presuming that it is relatively less capital intensive. So can you give us a bit of dynamics as to how the capital has moved and it feels like net-net, you would have ended up consuming less capital compared to previous year. So is that a fair assessment? Or would you say I'm missing something on that? So that's the first one. And also the PMLs have come down on whatever exposure you have. So that was the first one. And secondly, clearly, from a very low base, I mean you have increased the Cyber exposure significantly, 40%. Now part of that is pricing, but it looks like you are expanding on exposure basis as well on Cyber. So is this something that we should be thinking forward that this is a line of business where you're looking to get a bit bigger just because there are a few players who are now trying to say that this is a business line where they would try to reduce exposure, whereas you have started to grow. So any thoughts on that would be helpful.

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#36

Yes. Thank you for your question. On the -- on your first question, the update on the capital we provided, the Q4 results at the -- on March 1. And then as I mentioned previously, the translation into SCR is not so straightforward because, yes, there's less business, but there's also increased view of risk. So how that all translates will be presented by Fabian at the Q4 results. In terms of Cyber, this is a line of business where we remain prudent. Let's say, we have a very controlled process for deploying capacity driven by internal, external models. The main concerns we have are systemic events that may trigger a large part of the portfolio. So actually, the growth that we achieved was really primarily driven by rate increases, rate increases that we're much more significant than what we had anticipated. And because of that, we shifted our portfolio more towards proportional than nonproportional. So in the past, we had a mixture between proportional and nonproportional and Cyber is our stop losses. So we now renewed a few of those stop losses and redeploy the capacity to proportional treaties on the Cyber side. There was a lot of improvements as well on the reinsurance of those Cyber-proportional treaties with event limits that we viewed as attractive. And the overall PML and Cyber actually decreased because we were able to buy some retrocession Cyber capacity for the first time this year. So even though the premium is growing in that line of business, our risk appetite is slightly diminishing at the same time.

Yves Cormier

executive
#37

Can we move to the next question, please?

Operator

operator
#38

Our next question today comes from Darius Satkauskas of KBW.

Darius Satkauskas

analyst
#39

First question, do you have any indication if we should expect some changes in strategy given the change in management? Any color here would be helpful at all. In terms of how you're thinking about upcoming renewals compared to what you've done now? Second question is, I'd like to get a bit more color on the answer you provided to Kamran. Since you're talking about the improvement in rate, can you clarify what's the base for this improvement? I mean, you guided to 95% at your Investor Day a few months before the renewal. So unless the renewal did not meet your expectations. Why should we not think of 95% as a base? And my last question is, are you able to give some color on whether you used this renewal to increase your reserve cushions at all? Or are you showing the full benefit in the margin improvement?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#40

Thank you, Darius. On your first question, the change in strategy, I mean, we have a plan for 2023. As I mentioned on the P&C side, what we just achieved in January 1 represents about 50% of the overall expected premium income for '23. So for the rest of the year, we execute our current plan. And then when [indiscernible] joins us on May 1, he will define let's say, the medium-term strategic view at the AGM. So the change in strategy, if there is one, will be announced then. But in the meantime, we implement the plan as we have it today. In terms of profitability, again, I'm sorry, but I'm going back to what I said before is the rate comparison that we achieved at January 1, 2023, is compared to the portfolio that was up for renewal coming from January 1, 2022. So the 9% is comparing underwriting year '22 in January to the underwriting year in '23 in January. How that flows in the financials will take time, but we feel much more confident that we can achieve the net combined ratio that we had provided as an indication before. Your last question, I'm not sure I understood it. So would you mind repeating it?

Darius Satkauskas

analyst
#41

So I'm just trying to see if you can give us some color whether you use this renewal to increase your reserve cushions or is the margin improvement essentially what we're seeing -- is it everything? And then just a follow-up on the second question. I mean, so there's nothing unusual to the earning pattern, right? The improvement should be earned over the next 2 years, right?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#42

Yes. In terms of the -- just going back to the profitability on earnings, the earning pattern should be very similar to the past. Even though the shape of the portfolio has moved a little bit towards Europe and towards global lines, the earning guidance should remain very similar. So I don't think you'll see any difference there. With regards to the reserve. I think the new business that we write doesn't really have an impact on reserve per se. What we have included is a revised view of risk on the business that we're writing to ensure that the pricing we're obtaining has more resilience. And so that will affect probably future reserves going forward. But the starting point from a pricing point of view is -- has an increased view of risk compared to previously.

Yves Cormier

executive
#43

Can we go to the next question, please?

Operator

operator
#44

Our next question comes from Thomas Fossard of HSBC.

Thomas Fossard

analyst
#45

Two additional questions. The first one will be related to the move from EGPI to gross written premium. I know that gross written premium won't be there in 2023. But I mean it seems to be that you're starting with minus 12% and so in terms of projection for the full year, it looks like the consensus is shooting for 5% GWP in P&C in 2023. Optically, this is showing a quite significant gap. So maybe you can help us to bridge how we move from EGPI to gross written premium given the business you've written already last year? And the second question would be related to your Agro book. So it seems to be that you have undertaken significant restructuring this year. Can you say a bit more because I think that was almost a return on a primary basis. So could you go through what you've done, i.e., if you keep gross or reduced gross and increased Retrocession on it or anything you could say. Because looking at the numbers, it seems to be that the prediction -- the absolute reduction in terms of premiums is around EUR 100 million. And I saw that actually the book was much bigger than that and that actually the cuts you were expected to do would have led to more premium cuts. So maybe I'm missing something here?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#46

Yes. Thank you, Thomas. In terms of the move from EGPI to gross written premium, again, this is through the earnings of the current year and the previous underwriting years. The January 1 renewal basically earns throughout the year about 55% by the end of the year. We don't provide a guidance right now into the gross written premium. And I think it's a discussion we can have further in the Q4 results here. We're just focused on the renewals. On your second question on Agro. I think the piece you're missing is in terms of our portfolio, our top 2 territories in terms of premium exposures are Brazil and India. And then we have the major markets for us kind of the following markets like the U.S., China, Europe, Canada. And those are the territories that renewed at January 1. India and Brazil for us are renewals at April 1. So you'll see the full effect once we finish those renewals in April.

Yves Cormier

executive
#47

Next question, please.

Operator

operator
#48

We will now take a question from Phil Ross of Exane BNP Paribas.

Philip Ross

analyst
#49

So firstly, on the 2.5 to 3 points of improvement you talked about, you define that as part loss ratio, part external charges. I think we've seen some peers in the U.S. talk about savings on commissions. So I just wondered if you can give us a split of the loss ratio or external charge impact of that 2.5 to 3 points. And then secondly, on liability, the 24% reduction for Casualty and Motor combined. Can you just remind us how you take a view on investment income and whether that has had any impact this renewal season, given that you think the economics could have started to change materially for these longer lines of business.

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#50

Yes. Relating to your first question, we saw some movement on the reinsurance commissions. But on casualty of about 1 to 2 points, on property proportional. But overall, the movements that we're expecting should have been greater in our view. So the overall impact to the 2.5 to 3 points coming from commission reductions is very small. It's really driven by rate and repositioning of the portfolio. With regards to your second question, yes, of course, investment income is, of course, looked at from an overall profitability perspective. And it's looked at across the duration in the life of the claims duration. But we're also looking at potential volatility coming from those lines of business. We believe the paying commissions that are in the 30s for this type of business despite the enhanced investment income you receive is not sufficient compared to the capital that's required. That's what drove basically our underwriting actions on those lines of business.

Yves Cormier

executive
#51

Thanks. Can you go to the next question, please?

Operator

operator
#52

Our next question comes from Kamran Hossain with JPMorgan.

Kamran Hossain

analyst
#53

Just got 2 quick follow-ups, just both from assumptions actually. The first one is on the nat cat budget where, if I'm not mistaken, and please forgive me If I am, I think you said the nat cat budget is unchanged at 8%. You clearly -- I think you showed in the presentation you cut Property Cat limit. Can you maybe kind of help us to understand those 2 things because, I guess, theoretically, assuming your 8% was the right level, then that probably should have dipped down, but maybe it's just a sign of excess prudence. That's question one on assumptions. And the second one is coming to kind of assumption governance. Insurance is simply -- lots of it is assumptions. Could you maybe talk about how that's changed in the last year? Now I look back to last year when you had 0.5 percentage points of improvement in the combined ratio. Doesn't feel like it quite came through. Obviously, we got to wait to see how that happens or if it does or if it doesn't. But could you maybe talk about the assumption setting process and the governance around that?

Jean-Paul Conoscente

executive
#54

On your first question, you're correct that we're keeping the nat cat budget at 8%. Our view of risk last year was in line with that budget. As you know, we're not meeting our Cat budget in 2022. And this has led us to take a number of actions, including a review of our pricing and risk assumptions. And this is the answer of your second question is we've done throughout 2022, an in-depth review of all portfolios and trying to understand where the underperformance was coming from. This led us to a review of your risk. And so on the nat cat side, that's what we've done as well. And we feel that we're in a better position to achieve the 8% this year than we were last year. And regarding your second question on governance, this is involving the P&C teams, the risk management teams going into in-depth reviews of all the other portfolios, loss drivers and profitable to understand if your risk needs to be realized.

Operator

operator
#55

We do not have any more questions, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's question-and-answer session. At this time, I would like to hand the call back to our speakers for any additional or closing remarks. Thank you.

Yves Cormier

executive
#56

Thank you very much for attending this conference call. Investor Relations team remains available to pick up on any questions you may have. So please don't hesitate to give us a call. As a reminder, SCOR will hold its full year 2022 results presentation on March 2. I wish you a very good afternoon.

Operator

operator
#57

This does conclude today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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