Sdiptech AB (publ) (SDIPB) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 22, 2020

Nasdaq Stockholm SE Industrials Commercial Services and Supplies earnings 50 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Hello, and welcome to Sdiptech Q2 Report 2020. [Operator Instructions] Today, I'm pleased to present CEO, Jakob Holm. Please go ahead with your meeting.

Jakob Holm

executive
#2

Thank you very much, and hello, everybody. Together with me on this call, as I always have with me also our CFO, Bengt Lejdstrom, who will walk you through the financial details. But to start off, I would really like to say we're very delighted to present a strong report for the second quarter. We've had a good pace although we've had a very problematic pandemic for everyone around the world. Sdiptech as a company has been strong to that one. Health is always our first priority. And currently, the effects are fairly low on our side. About 38 people out of 1,300 are unable to work due to the pandemic, so it's a small share. And the majority of those personnel are in the U.K. Our net sales are also stable through the pandemic, down about 1.7% organically. And the most important growth metric for us is, of course, our operating profit EBITA. And there, we saw an increase of 31%, about half of which is organic, which is very strong, of course. We're very happy to present that. And it's always the same thing as before, but it's been proven a bit more in these tougher times that we have a solid and strong business model. Our focus on infrastructure is -- serves us well. Infrastructure is prioritized in societies around the world, also through difficult periods as the pandemic has been. And our margin increase continues. And it's, as always, apart from acquisitions, but it's also an effect that we focus on strong market positions that continuously, when our business units grow in those positions, we also have the opportunity to increase prices and our profitability. So we're very happy to present this quarterly report. We can move on to Slide #2. The agenda for today, a short business overview and then an update on the market situation related to the corona pandemic. And as the third point, we walk through on trading and also present to you the 2 acquisitions that we have done over the quarter. We can move forward to the next page, #3. And as the -- as an overview and introduction to Sdiptech, we are a technology group with focus on infrastructure. And as of this quarter, our rolling 12 months, our net sales is at about SEK 1.9 billion. Our profitability margin operating is increasing quarter-by-quarter. It has increased in this quarter as well, currently at 15.7%. The most important growth metric is, as I said, our profits, profit growth. We have a financial target to grow our operating profit. Over the last 12 months, we've seen growth at 41%. Very happy to present that. And that is a result of a combination that we have a strong organic profit growth within the group. But then, that we, on a continuous basis, add growth through acquisitions. So that's part of our business model. After the 2 acquisitions that we have done over the quarter, we are at 33 business units. We started off the quarter with 32 business units, and we've acquired 2. One of the business units that -- one of the companies that we acquired will be integrated into an existing business unit, and I will come back to you with regards to that. And the development is strong at Sdiptech. And even though we have a pandemic in 2020, we will stick to our financial growth goals for 2020. So we're happy to also confirm that. Moving over to next page, #4. So our position and offering to the market is to provide technical products and services to critical needs within the infrastructure sector. And there, we have a strong underlying growth, not only during difficult times, but also over longer term. Infrastructure is a prioritized sector for any modern society. Our business model is to acquire and develop small companies. And as the third point there is important to us. For us, it's very important to acquire, but also develop our companies towards strong market positions. A strong market position, the way we see it is where you have a unique offering. The competition is weaker, it's lower, and the offering towards the customers are highly valued by our customers, so we are also able to price our services of products in a good way. So that is core of our overall generic strategy. The decentral structure is also important part of our business model, and it has proven to be extra strong through this tough period. The decentral structure enables us to make business decision in each business unit. And of course, a situation like a pandemic hits our business units in a very different way. So the model is very flexible in that sense. And through strong leadership in each business units, we have been able to make swift and effective decisions depending on the current situation at hand in each business unit. Moving forward to next page, #5, an introduction to our 3 business areas: Water & Energy, Special Infrastructure Solutions and Property Technical Services. Starting from the left, Water & Energy. Their typical customers are, on the water side, water treatment plants. Typical customer is a municipality, but it can also be smaller communities. On the energy side, a typical customer is energy company. All in all, the customers are strong and stable. The profitability margin currently at 20%, about roughly 1/3 of the operating profit, a solid and stable area. Move over to Special Infrastructure Solutions. There, our customers are typically in the air and climate control area. Customers are typically property owners. For the safety and security area, customers are typically municipalities as well, but typically, solutions for public spaces, for instance, the ray industry. And in the transportation area, we have done 2 new acquisitions, and we will get back to those, present those a little bit more. This Special Infrastructure Solutions business area is our fastest growing at this moment, and that is really due to acquisitions over the past 12 months. We have an active focus on acquisitions in the Water & Energy area as well. So over the time -- for the time being, there are not so many, but there will come more in the future. It is a focus area for us. For the Special Infrastructure Solutions area, the profitability development has been very strong due to contributions from recent acquisitions, but also that we have strong market positions, and organic growth also creates increased profitability. So there, we will increase our guiding for the year, for the -- to 22% to 25%. So the full year numbers 2020, we increased our guiding to 22% to 25%. So currently at 26%, a bit higher than what we expect for the full year. Bengt will come back to you to describe more about the profitability dynamics over the past quarter. The Property Technical Service area, customers there are typically property owners. We provide technical services to our customers there. The business model is slightly different in this area. It's technical services, so it's more labor intensive. The other areas are -- more constitutes of products-based business models or product based in combination with services. However, in the Property Technical Service area, it's smaller in terms of profits. We have, over a couple of years, not prioritized this area in terms of acquisitions. However, we have prioritized in terms of ensuring good and strong profitability. So we have focus, continuous focus in this area to ensure profitability, currently at 8% over the last 12 months. Our aim there is to be between 8% to 10% in terms of profitability. Moving forward to the next Slide #6 and move forward to next slide after that one, #7. I'll walk you through briefly the effects from the corona pandemic. We have carefully monitored all our business units on a weekly basis, starting off in March, to really understand the effects. One, first of all, for us is really to understand for each business units what the effects are and also to support the business units to make the good business decisions. But it's also been important for us to understand where on the curve, if you say so, our business units are, but also our group as a whole. And we've also decided to disclose one of those KPIs to the market. It's the delivery KPI, and it measures the percentage level of delivery of the orders that was planned for the group. So it can -- it's close to what we internally use as the budget for each business unit, but also for the group as a whole. And starting off in April, we had 85% in total effect. And the effects were typically of the characteristics that due to the restrictions in the societies, we were unable to actually come out to client sites and do our work. So 85% there, but there was not the typical characteristics of that we lost sales. It was more in the sense of having delays. This also means that we have built up a backlog of deliveries that we have started to catch up currently. So we started off at 85%. The restrictions started to ease in our markets. So we were at 90% in the beginning of June, and this positive trend continued, and we were at 95% in the beginning of July. And Sweden has been a market where restrictions have been slightly different compared to other markets. So our delivery KPI has been quite stable there, currently at 95%. In the U.K., restrictions have been a bit stronger or quite substantially stronger. Due to the lockdown, it has been difficult for some of our business units to do their work. But it has gradually improved, so moving from 70% to 80% and current at 90% of our planned delivery. Germany, Austria, Norway, smaller markets for us, but the effects there currently are insignificant actually, so that's very positive. All in all, 95% currently compared to what we planned for the group. Moving forward to the next page, 8, just to fill in some additional information. So we do have decreasing negative effects, a positive trend. The underlying demand is good. We've also seen some increased sales in some areas, but overall, solid and stable. We also did some early actions in the beginning of the year when we saw the signs in China to build inventory, and that has served us well. And so we have been able to deliver with not so many issues in terms of our supply chain. And we've also started off quite early to take actions to reduce costs. We didn't really know the exact effects on the pandemic. So we worked actively to improve cost efficiency. And some of those improvements, they will be maintained. However, we've also made some -- we've hold back some investments in terms of organizations and in terms of project development. Those investments, they are long term, important to us. So we will start to do those investments over the second half of this year. So some extra profitability due to cost -- extra cost efficiency in the quarter, and that over profitability will slightly go away. So when you look at our numbers for the second quarter, the profitability currently is a bit higher than what you would expected. And the guiding that we present for the business areas, that's what you should aim for in terms of the full year. That's at least what we are aiming for. Further ahead, it's very difficult to predict what the political decisions will be. Of course, that's impossible for anyone to do. But due to our focus on infrastructure, we are confident about the long-term outlook. And we have begun to catch up on the delayed deliveries. We will do this catch-up in the second half of 2020, but the catch-up will continue in 2021. So that's the profile of what we believe. The backlog is quite long, so it takes time to take care of it. So some catch-up in 2020 and some catch-up in 2021. And based on our knowledge of the current situation, we stick to our financial goals, as I said, also for 2020. So moving forward to next page, #9. I hand over to Bengt. And also, I think we can now move over to Page #10 for Bengt to walk through an update of our financial targets.

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#3

Yes. Thank you, Jakob. Right. We also issued a press release yesterday evening about our updated financial targets. And the targets we have had was set some 3 years ago in connection with the introduction of our B share on the stock market and was valid at that time for the stage our group was in. Now we have developed through the years, and we want to then focus on 3 of our previous financial targets. We think they are the most relevant and also the best to guide us into the future. Two of them are actually not different from what they were from the beginning, and that's the organic earnings growth. It's still 5% to 10%. And also the acquired earnings growth, we still say that we should acquire a profit EBITA of SEK 90 million per year. We never know when those acquisitions come. But we, as we said, we've done 2 during the quarter. First for this year and the third target on this slide, the capital structure is slightly updated from previously. Now we stress and focus that it's our financial net debt that should not exceed 2.5. Previously, it was stated that it was our total net debt. That should be 2.5. And as we have developed, as you know, our acquisition model, we put a lot of focus to share risks, both upsides and downsides with our entrepreneurs and the sellers of our companies. So -- and because of that, we have to -- in the accounts, we have to reserve for future payments on -- due to these conditional considerations, and that debt is quite substantial for us since we are mainly consisting of newly acquired companies, almost as much as our financial debt. And -- but those conditional debts are then very much related to the profit levels and also aimed at the higher profit level than currently. So there has been a lot of misunderstanding or confusion about those numbers. So we thought it would be a good idea to straighten this out and have a simple and more straight target, which is the financial net debt, that is debt from banks, financial institutions and also perhaps, in the future, from the financial market like bonds, et cetera. And so that's really the updated target. We also then previously had some other targets relating, for example, to our return on capital employed. And that's really measured on, you could say, the acquisition multiples we use since we include goodwill in our capital employed. And we think it's more -- better and more easier to understand our growth when looking at how much earnings we should require than to focus on the capital employed. But it's, of course, still important KPI, and we still will disclose that and we follow that carefully. That's not just a financial target. And we also have a target for absolute numbers or profit levels that were set some number -- some years ago. But still, we think the growth targets are more important. So we stick to that, too organic and acquired growth. And lastly, we had fixed targets with the dividend policy, and that's actually a dividend policy, perhaps more than a target. So we have then said that that's an unchanged policy, but we don't call it a target. So all in all, 3 financial targets that we focus very much on, and we intend to deliver on those targets going ahead. Then turning to next slide, #11. And that's our financial development quarter-by-quarter on a last 12-month basis. And as you can see, we have had a steady pace of increasing both sales and profits. And also, as Jakob mentioned, this quarter, we have improved the EBITA margins quite substantially. Also, some of those are perhaps not ever lasting effects. But still, as you can see on this slide, we have a very stable and positive trend on a 12-month basis. And our turnover increased in total 16% the last 12 months and profit levels then 41% -- or profits 41%. Now our EBITA* is about SEK 300 million per year. Going to next slide, #12. Some KPIs then for the quarter and the last 12 months. Net sales for the quarter increased 15%, of which organic was slightly negative with 1.7%. We have some currency effects. It's negative for us right now because of the British pound mainly, which has decreased almost 10% since end of March, which, of course, hits our numbers. And also, as you may have noted, it hits our bottom line earnings per share since -- due to accounting rules, we had to consider the unrealized currency effects on our internal liabilities between our companies. Even though in the balance sheet, it's netted out, but in the results, we have to take a loss this quarter, but it's unrealized so it's not -- yes, let's see what happens in the future. And we take measures, of course, to reduce the effects as much as possible. But it's hard to, in the long run, to make sure that the currency effect does not hit the results. So hopefully, this will not be so much in the future as it was this quarter. And if you look 12 months back, the currency effects have been more or less 0 for the group. Some other numbers on this slide. I mentioned EBITA growth, 37% in the quarter. And of those 37%, we had an organic profit growth of some 15% -- sorry, EBITA margin, 17%. The profit growth was 15% organic and 31.5% profit growth. Looking at our cash flows. We had very strong cash flow during the quarter. Some of those effects come from possibilities to withhold tax payments, for example, but that has not been utilized so much. But still, it has some effects on that, but it's also an effect from working with the operating capital and, of course, a good profit level in the companies. Our net debt to the banks or the financial net debt, as we will call it, it's now 1.13. And the total net debt through our rolling 12 EBITA is 3.04 in the ratio. So we can turn to the next slide, #13. There, we go into the business areas, and we start with the Water & Energy business area. And in this business area, all units are comparable versus last year. As Jakob mentioned, we haven't done any acquisitions in the last 12 months. And the sales decreased, all in all, by 12%. And also the EBITA decreased with 4%, but it's still, we think, when looking at that we have some U.K. units within this business area, that is still very good performance. And as mentioned already, that some staff haven't been able to do their work, but it has eased up towards the end of the quarter. We saw, however, some increased profits in some units, especially in the power and energy subsegment, while some companies within the Water & Sanitation had some reductions in the profits slightly. But we stick to our guidance about the margins, 17% to 20% on a full year basis for this business area. Turning to next page, #14, we look at the Special Infrastructure Solutions. Also, as Jakob mentioned, this is a very strong growing business area. We have done some acquisitions, 3 in the last 12 months. And it has a strong sales growth, almost 40%. However, in comparable units, it was slightly negative. Also then, still, we have 3 units that are in the U.K. in this business area, which is considered organic. So it's still very good performance, we think. And especially within the Air & Climate control, we had good contributions to the growth. But of course, the acquisitions made the biggest effect on both the sales growth and profit growth. The EBITA actually increased with 100% compared to the last year and -- which is very glad to see that 40% was in comparable units. And that's also very much depending on the cost efficiency, but also on the underlying market demands in some of the business units. Here, we have, perhaps, though, compared to the other business areas in the -- least effect from the COVID-19. Here, as also mentioned that we increased our guiding and that from -- coming from the 20% to 22% on EBITA margin. We have increased that 22% to 25% due to the acquisitions and the strong performance. Right. We can turn to also the next slide, #15, which is business area, Property Technical Services. Here, as you see in the graph up to the left, that it's very stable development throughout the years and quarters. And however, in the quarter, we have increased the profits somewhat, some 15%. Even though sales decreased, that's increased profitability and also increase in the units that have a bit higher margins in the business model. So for example, a good order intake in our company working with Shell completion or commercial and public properties, for example, have been very stable demand. But also some of the elevator business have shown good numbers during the quarter. So we actually had a profit margin of 10% in quarter 2, which is higher than the last 12 months that were at 8.3%. But we're guiding in the 8% to 10% for this business area. And it's, as you can see also in the graph, it still is very stable, that profit margin. Yes, that was from the business areas. And then perhaps Jakob will take on the next slide, #16, with the acquisitions.

Jakob Holm

executive
#4

Yes. Thank you. Okay. So Page #16, summary of our acquisitions. The graph shows the historical development over time. And the status -- this -- for 2020 is we've concluded 2 acquisitions so far. And we haven't been waiting -- with regards to the corona pandemic, we have not been waiting for a different market state. We have a dedicated team working with acquisitions, and they have still been 100% focused on this work. So we have continued our systematic work to identify interesting and profitable companies within the infrastructure sector. So in that sense, our acquisitions work continues as normal and regardless of the market state. And we're happy to present 2 acquisitions: Hilltip and Stockholmradio. I will present to them shortly to you. Also an important activity for us, the directed share issue that we concluded in June where we raised approximately SEK 350 million. So for us, the reason why we did this was, on one hand, of course, to broaden our shareholder base. But another aspect was equally important to us. Our financial goals are calibrated, as Bengt said. And the -- our growth pace in terms of acquisitions, the target there is calibrated with our goal for financial net debt. And in periods, we have a higher acquisition pace, which in turn brings up the net debt temporarily. So that has, to some extent, been limiting our work. So this issue and capital raise gives us more flexibility to do the acquisitions when the opportunities actually arise. So this was an important activity for us in terms of growth. Moving over to the next page, #17. So Hilltip, so we concluded this acquisition in the quarter. And Hilltip is a leading supplier of road maintenance products. And the picture there really illustrates in a good way what type of products. So it's typically snowplows, but salt spreaders as well. And Hilltip is one of Europe's leading manufacturers. I've been talking previously about strong market positions and so on. And Hilltip's position is definitely strong. They are profitable, about SEK 2.5 million of operating income pretax, so about 25% operating margin. And the position is directed towards smaller vehicles, as you can see in the picture there. And the need for road maintenance changes over time. And the need to take care of smaller roads, such as bicycle roads, for instance, is changing. The requirements there are increasing, for pedestrians as well. So the smaller vehicles are growing compared to the traditional road maintenance of the larger highways and so on. So the position is towards smaller vehicles. The products, they are advanced. The hardware is very good and durable. But there's also important software that comes together with the hardware. To steer and control the amount of spreaders, for instance, the driver uses a software monitor to control how much salt and spreaders to apply in each single moment. And the requirements from the customers, which is typically municipalities, are strong in terms of the quality of the salt, for instance. So it's important for the drivers to really present that they have done their job in a good way. So the software also tracks and logs the GPS position and in which roads at what time and to what amounts of spreader that has been applied. So it's a complete system of hardware and software that is highly competitive. Moving forward to the next page. Stockholmradio AB, they offer radio coverage for the coastal radio. So any of you that have a -- both of your own perhaps or you have had the signal to get in touch with Stockholmradio is Stockholmradio. So we are very proud to having the opportunity to acquire this company. The company is quite small. It generates SEK 1.7 million. And what we have done here is that we have actually acquired the contract for Stockholmradio contract, for the customer contracts and also the permits from the authorities. We will combine these contracts with our existing company, which is called Storadio, and that is an acronym for Stockholmradio. So our existing company is -- provides radio communication for commercial airlines. Our existing companies, they're also the single supplier for this part of the hemisphere. And we have an operations control center there. And we will coordinate the -- also the coastal radio together with the air radio in the same operations control center. And the name of the companies, they are similar, and that is because they have the same origin. So we are happy to bring them back together again. And normally, we do not integrate companies when we do acquisitions, but in this case, it made sense to integrate the contracts into the same operating control center. And it's, in that sense, highly value adding. Okay. So 2 acquisitions completed in this quarter. We continue our acquisition work in a systematic way with our in-house team also for the future. And then moving over to the final page. We don't need to repeat the information there, but we could leave that as the final page and also open up for questions.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Fredrik Nilsson from Redeye.

Fredrik Nilsson

analyst
#6

Fredrik Nilsson from Redeye here. One question regarding the delivery rate. Despite you've been able to deliver about 85% to 90% of the planned orders, you only lost 2% in organic revenue. How's that dynamic working?

Jakob Holm

executive
#7

Okay. So the planned work corresponds to our budget for 2020. And of course, we continuously work to increase sales, so the budget is higher than the previous year. So when we are at 85% of planned deliveries, 85% of our budget, but the budget is higher than previous year. So the -- and the organic growth compares to the previous year. So that's how it works. That's the dynamics.

Fredrik Nilsson

analyst
#8

Okay. And regarding your Property Technical Services, you grew almost by 10%. Was that mainly related to the Shell completion? Or will you catch up on some elevator services as well?

Jakob Holm

executive
#9

Bengt?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#10

Yes, the Shell completion business, a company called Castella, had improved our business compared to last years. So that's one of the main contributors. But we also had some improvements in 1 or 2 of the elevator business as well.

Fredrik Nilsson

analyst
#11

Okay. A very strong margin in SIS. Are there any businesses seeing a positive effect from the corona situation?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#12

No. Well, you could see, for example, that the demand for secured communication increased during the pandemic because more people are working from home. And so many companies set up rules that their video conferences or phone content must be over secured lines. And that, of course, benefits our business. But apart from that, it's no real big effect on the demand side.

Fredrik Nilsson

analyst
#13

Okay. The increased guidance in SIS, is that mainly the result of the strong first half of 2020? Or do you see a sustainable volume improvement in the segment?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#14

Because of the acquisitions made within the business area, Special Infrastructure Solutions, we have acquired companies with very good profit margins. So of course, that is to be sustainable over time. But as we said, we had some extra boost in the margins this quarter because of cost efficiency.

Fredrik Nilsson

analyst
#15

Okay. And as you mentioned, there are -- you made different cost cuts, some sustainable, some are unsustainable. Could you give us some approximation about the mix? How much is sustainable? And how much is not?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#16

No, sorry, we don't have that figure that we could…

Jakob Holm

executive
#17

But I think a good way there, Fredrik, is to look at our guidance for each business area. That's perhaps the most effective way for everyone to understand the end result over the year.

Operator

operator
#18

And the next question comes from the line of Jon Hyltner from Enter Fonder.

Jon Hyltner

analyst
#19

I'd like to start off with some questions on the margins. If we start with the Water & Energy segment. Here, I understand that all units are comparable, so no new acquisitions from Q2 last year and sales were down a bit. But even excluding this, you've received grants, that the margin drop was fairly small to 18% from 19.3%, if I read it right here. How come the leverage on the downside isn't bigger? Have you really put the brakes on all costs? Or have you done anything else, raised prices or something? If you could just explain a little bit on the Water & Energy side?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#20

Well, we could say that, for example, that we have few units which has had a good performance in the business area, which also have a good profit margin historically. So even though perhaps the profits have decreased with 4% overall in the business area, some of the high-margin business have been performing quite well. And of course, that is supporting the margins within the total business area. For example, our company working with Water Treatment Products have been selling disinfectants during the spring and have a boost from that. But yes, I would say it's mainly because the high profit margin these units that have contributed more in relative terms than the ones that have lower margins.

Jon Hyltner

analyst
#21

Okay. These high-margin companies in the group, have they -- in the segment, have they delivered in line goods what they had before, so steady margin there. And so it's mainly just the mix of the high margin-companies growing faster.

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#22

Yes. Right.

Jon Hyltner

analyst
#23

Okay. And more or less the same question for special infrastructure. Even here, it's a pretty remarkable increase in margin, but here you had some new units boosting it or improving it. But underlying, how was the trend here?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#24

I could say similarly. As for Water & Energy, that high-margin businesses have continued to be high margin and even increasing a little bit. And -- but here, you also have an absolute profit levels, an increase of 40% on for comparable units. So actually across -- I would say, across the whole business area, we have had very good performance this quarter.

Jon Hyltner

analyst
#25

How much have you pushed on the brakes on all types of costs? You mentioned in the report that you will be more -- less restrictive going forward, like R&D, et cetera, expansionary costs. So how much of this had an impact in the quarter, if it's possible to say something there?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#26

We're consisting of 33 smaller business units. And of course, for them, if they postponed hiring of a new salesperson, for example, that is, of course, boosting margins in the short term. But eventually, we have to employ that additional salesperson in order to be able to fulfill the goals. So it's more on that smaller level, if you say so. In R&D, we don't have much actually because most of development is related to customer projects, customer demand. So we don't have very high budgets for that. But of course, some costs as well, especially external costs related to product development could be a little bit postponed. But yes, as Jakob was mentioning, it's more our guidance that we can use as a reference for what we believe going forward the profit margins.

Jon Hyltner

analyst
#27

And then on your cash flow, which also was very strong in the quarter, big working capital release was that also -- did you really emphasize to your subsidiaries that they should really focus on cash in the quarter and maybe some of this will reverse going forward?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#28

Well, yes, will reverse, I don't know. But you could say that perhaps at the end of March, you had some customers because of the -- and security was perhaps bigger in the society towards the end of March than compared to now, at least from the financial view, which meant perhaps that some customers didn't pay towards end of March. They have now paid. So the decrease of operating receivables have affected us positively. And while operating liabilities have also increased and that consists, for example, then on these tax payments that you could postpone a bit, at least here in Sweden, but that's not all of it. So some of that will be, of course, then reduced in the coming quarters or for the rest of the year. And I guess it's very hard to be on this very high cash conversion levels forever. But yes, so you could see, expect a reduction on that in the coming quarters.

Jon Hyltner

analyst
#29

So more around the normalized level that you've been at?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#30

Yes. Exactly.

Jon Hyltner

analyst
#31

Okay. And then just finally on this financial negative unrealized valuation effect or what it was. It's noncash now. If everything stays the same, will this be a cash cost eventually? Or could you just say something more about that, please?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#32

Yes. It's more that we have since we are acquiring companies, for example, in the U.K., we make internal loans between the different holding companies. And even though they are netted out in the consolidation, eliminated in the balance sheet, the effects from the Swedish kroner perspective have to be booked, whether up or down. And now it has been hit on the downside and because of the British pound. So of course, if the currency would stay at this level, they will eventually be realized sooner or later. But…

Jon Hyltner

analyst
#33

If it's an internal loan, I mean if it's an internal loan, that's netted out the higher cost on one end will be offset by lower cost in the other end. So how could it then be [ considered ] to be cash negative?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#34

No because the borrower in U.K., our internal company in U.K., they don't have a currency because they are borrowing in pounds from Sweden, and they are then acquiring then a U.K. company in pounds. So they have a 0 effect on their side. But the Swedish parent has a negative effect on the claim, so to say, on the U.K. holding company. This is…

Jon Hyltner

analyst
#35

Okay. So you borrow in effect to acquire something in pounds?

Bengt Lejdstrom

executive
#36

Partly, yes, we also have pounds -- external loans in pounds, but not as much as our assets and internal loans in pounds. So that we will, of course, look into if we could change that a little bit to offset more of these effects. But when we take our total dividends from our holding companies, this will be then realized when we do that.

Operator

operator
#37

As there are no further questions, I'll hand it back to the speaker.

Jakob Holm

executive
#38

Okay. Thank you very much for listening, and we look forward to take another call with you in quarters to come. Okay. Thank you, everybody.

Operator

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