Sephaku Holdings Limited (SEP.JO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 25, 2021

Johannesburg Stock Exchange ZA Materials Construction Materials earnings 50 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Sephaku FY 2021 presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Sakhile Ndlovu. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Sakhile Ndlovu

executive
#2

Thank you, Irene, and welcome you all to the SepHold FY 2021 Results Conference Call. To take us through the presentation of the results is Sephaku Holdings CEO, Neil Crafford-Lazarus; and he's going to be joined by Duan Classen, the acting CEO for Sephaku Cement; and Kenneth Capes, the CEO for Métier, straight after he gives us the presentation. For those of you who don't yet have the presentation, it has been uploaded on the website, you can go into our website at www.sephakuholdings.com. You should be able to find it on the Home page. However, if you're not able to download it, please do not hesitate to send me an e-mail ASAP at [email protected] and I'll forward it to you as soon as possible. I'll hand over to Neil now to proceed with the presentation.

Neil Crafford-Lazarus

executive
#3

Thank you very much, Sakhile, and good morning to everybody on the call. Yes, this is the presentation on the financial results that we released yesterday afternoon. You would have seen both sales announcements as well as the financial statements on our website. We will be having a look at the financial review. We've got notes on the COVID-19 impact. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on that, just probably a reference for your own information. If you had any questions on that, look at the operational review up and then there's appendices for any newcomers to the company that might want some additional information with regards to location and operations and so on. You'll find that in the appendices. I'm not going to look at that during this presentation either. The normal disclosure that you could also go through at your leisure and then the financial review. The group showed a net profit of ZAR 19.9 million after tax compared to the loss of ZAR 17.4 million from the previous year, mainly because of the turnaround that we saw in midyear throughout the year and cement having a very good second half after the lockdown 4 phase. Specifically, I think from lockdown 3 onwards the last 6 months, sales volumes picked up, and you'll see that in the results. So the earnings per share ZAR 0.078 as opposed to a loss of ZAR 0.082, HEPS of ZAR 0.06 as opposed to a loss of ZAR 0.08 and then the SepCem's focusing in equity accounted earnings of ZAR 16 million for the current year compared to the ZAR 0.5 million that the earnings was the previous year. On the Métier side, we did see a reduction in turnover. We've had 2 months in Métier, which -- a little bit more than that, but no activity at Métier during lockdown 5 and 4. So sales revenue of ZAR 634 million as opposed to ZAR 727 million. The EBITDA was ZAR 55 million for the period compared to ZAR 34 million of the previous period, but that would then indicate that the majority of this is in savings or all of it is in savings as these are reductions on the turnover side. The EBITDA margin of 8.7% as opposed to 4.8% the previous year, and EBIT 5.2% at ZAR 33 million. The net profit after tax for Métier was ZAR 16.6 million compared to the loss of ZAR 0.5 million a year earlier. On the cement side, we saw revenue of ZAR 2.4 billion as opposed to the ZAR 2.2 billion in the previous year. EBITDA of ZAR 382 million, up from the ZAR 360 million the year before and a margin of 16%, down from 16.4%, mainly here because of the lockdown, of course. Whilst the turnover was up for the year, you never really recovered the overheads of a full month of no sales, and that distorts the numbers on the cost side. So a reduction in EBITDA over there down to 16%. The EBIT margin of 9% at ZAR 220 million and a net profit after tax of ZAR 44.4 million compared to the ZAR 1.3 million the year before. The net profit of the group increased by ZAR 37.3 million in the comparative period from the '17 to '19. And Métier turnaround process resulted in increased earnings, sustainable lower cost, income from disposal of underutilized assets. One of the first things that came up, the main focus when we rejoined on the 1st of April was the utilization of the fleet. We reduced the fleet, but managed to improve also the return of the service providers as their assets that they had working for us were much better utilized and a win-win situation on both sides. The EBITDA and EBIT both improved by about ZAR 21 million compared to the previous year. On the cement side, equity accounting profit increased by ZAR 15.4 million, a 9% increase in sales and a 10% savings through the COVID-19-related cost reductions initiatives. Again there, we'll get back to that, there was temporary salary reductions in CapEx, some things were permanent, some things were temporary, just to get us through that period, but all contributed in bringing good results for us at the end of the period. On the Sephaku Holdings side, ZAR 4 million decrease in expenses. We'll have a look at that trend shortly as well. So with regard to cash flows, cash generated by the operations increased by ZAR 13 million. We only had a ZAR 34 million cash generated last year that went up to ZAR 47 million this year. The expenses are there to be seen and not a lot of CapEx finance costs. Proceeds from assets has 2 main groups. The one is the Midrand property that we sold for ZAR 18.5 million and the underutilized transport assets that I referred to already in the previous slide of ZAR 8.8 million. For those of you who're looking at the financial statements, specifically balance sheet in more detail, you'll see that a newcomer to those lines are loans. The sale of these assets was in the finance and then most of the owners are buying the assets over the 3-year period. So there's also a short-term and a long-term portion of these loans, which will be new on the balance sheet. But good payers, money is coming in and -- from operations, of course, services that they're providing to us. Net outflow in finance activity constituting ZAR 22 million repayment of bank loans and ZAR 16 million to lease payments. On the Sephaku cement side, they started the year with a ZAR 500 million cash in the bank, generated ZAR 328 million from operations. Net financing cost, ZAR 99 million. The interest paid was actually ZAR 110 million, but there's also interest received on the cash in bank, of course. So that is when we refer to a ZAR 450 million payment later that would be the ZAR 110 million plus ZAR 340 million payment of bank debt that you see just 2 columns worth. Sorry, I'm on Slide 7 for those who was following the presentation, I basically phased through the first couple without communicating what -- which slide I'm on, but I am on Slide 7 at the moment. Proceeds from capital injection. You will recall that also when COVID really struck, and we had no production and substantial overheads during that period, the banks required a capital injection before they were willing to entertain relief for the third and fourth quarter payments from cement. That resulted in a ZAR 125 million injection from DCP, which the shareholders agreed will be treated as a loan and will not be an equity injection. So strictly speaking, that was just equity moving from the banks to the shareholder and not a reduction of the loan with regard to that specific ZAR 125 million, but we'll come back to that number well, again. Overall, the year ended on a ZAR 480 million of cash on the cement side. Looking at costs. As I've mentioned, Sephaku Holdings has peaked on ZAR 25 million in financial year 2018. As we said, we're bringing it down every year with a ZAR 4 million reduction. In the current year again as well, you'll see that basically 1/5 of the expenses were normally noncash items portion being the nontangible from the acquisition of Métier. There's around ZAR 38 million in that we [indiscernible] over a 5-year period. And then the balance is purely Black Scholes vesting costs on the option schemes that is also completing next year. I think we've done all the vestings now, so that's why that number is getting smaller and smaller. But I think important one is the cash portion of our head office cost. That has come from the ZAR 20 million to be ZAR 11.8 million or ZAR 11.7 million over the last 4 years. Also something that we are always asked to comment on or just give information on for those of you needing confirmation on your models with regards to the split. We present the split of costs for cement for the calendar year of 2020, included in our financial year of 2021. That was Slide #9. Moving on to Slide 10. Métier loan reduced by 24%. We started the year at ZAR 93 million there. And again, it was agreed that they received a payment holiday on the capital for the year, provided that we made a ZAR 15 million equity contribution or contribution from shareholders. That happened in August with the ZAR 90 million loan reduced to ZAR 75 million in broad terms and further repayments that started in January to March has reduced the loan now to ZAR 71 million. There is still 2 years to go after that. We have a final settlement of ZAR 45 million in March of 2023. Cost of the loan was at the time when we negotiated the debt relief on capital payments for 2020 calendar year, it was JIBAR plus 5.25%, it went down to 5% at year-end, and it will go down to 4.7% now in June as our EBITDA to debt has improved substantially during this period. So there's been a reduction at every major point. The focus of main debt original capitalized amount was ZAR 2.4 million (sic) [ ZAR 2.4 billion ] in December 2015, that is down to ZAR 1 billion at 31st of December 2020. But as I just mentioned, the ZAR 125 million that's attributed to shareholders. So the total of ZAR 2.4 billion based out actually at -- there would have been ZAR 125 million outstanding. That ZAR 1 billion has in the meantime gone down to below ZAR 900 million. We made a payment of ZAR 60 million in February and payment of ZAR 60 million in May. So we have ZAR 900 million left on that loan. But other than that, we would have commitment or similar commitments to shareholders, the ZAR 125 million advanced during last year, and of course, the original standby facility when we increased the capacity of the plant from the 5,000 to 6,000 tonnes per day kiln. That amount outstanding is ZAR 528 million and attracts interest at a 3-month JIBAR plus 4%. I'm now at the COVID slide, Slide 13, where I said I was not really going to spend time on. It's purely a matter of giving indications of what the impact was and how we dealt with it for anybody that is interested in it. How we dealt with that and then what really was impacted during the period that we faced the lockdowns and even subsequent to that with demand and then that specific tender being slow to get off the ground as well. Moving on to Slide 14, the savings. I think this again refers mainly to lockdown 5 and 4 levels where on the Métier side, executive management and employee salaries reduced up to 50% from April to June. Just as part of the turnaround strategy, we have reduced compensation costs by 6% in any case and reduced transport costs by 5%. As I said, just much better utilization, so that the service -- all the suppliers of the services are still getting a positive result from the chains, limited CapEx to maintenance and fixed cost reduction was a key focus area during this period. On the cement side, again, the CapEx was also revised heavily, canceling or postponing projects that wasn't essential for the day-to-day operations being able to continue. Optimized operational processes such as power consumption, revised overhead expenditure and SepCem applied the principle of no work, no pay during the lockdown period. We also reduced bonuses during that period and salary increases were frozen in -- on the 1st of July. We did award those increases on the 1st of January, 6 months later, because it was also part of a longer-term agreement as to what increases would be given over a period of time. And during the period of no work, no pay, of course, income was supplemented by cash funding that we did acquire and passed through to all the employees that did forgo any money during that no work, no pay scenario of lockdown 5. Specifically for cement during lockdown 4, we were working at 50% of capacity and everybody was able to at least work during that period. Moving on to the operational review. Slide 16 on the Métier side. Again, the main focus for us in this period of 4 years of a downturn forming in [ construction industry resulting in same for ] building and construction material companies is continue to reduce the debt. And we've done that by another 23%, so we're sitting at ZAR 71 million. There, we've also thought that during the year, we would look at expansion of the market, and we have identified the Western Cape as an expansion opportunity, and we are in the process of establishing a site there and will be in operation in the Western Cape in quarter -- in Q3. The other area that our focus for the '21 financial year was just to enhance customer focus to accurately understand their needs and deliver an enduring experience. That is something that we've been doing on and has been the same with the Métier. And the fact that they could supply a very custom-specific solution, the concrete needs that everybody had. On cement side, the focus areas for 2021 was again the reduction of debt. And as we've mentioned, that will be -- the project debt came down to ZAR 1.17 billion and then ZAR 125 million was moved to shareholders, so we're close to ZAR 1.30 billion at year-end. Cost control was applied during the year, achieved a 10% savings by implementing all the initiatives to negate the impact of the lockdown. With regards to the social and labor plan, finalization of that was a focus area, that is still continuing to make progress, although not as quick as we would want to, but we are all comfortable that essentially we will get there. And then with the alternative fuels, also good progress we've made there. And also a project with a thermal substitution rate improvement is continuing. Also a question that -- or a graph that we show regularly on our presentations because it is a question that always comes up is what was the impact of imports. And we'll see from here that on Slide 18, the green line, that is the 2020 line did fall off during the first period, the April-May period, nothing that come in, whilst in February, it overtook the 2019 numbers, stayed flat for 2 months, but then started moving up again. And then I think in September, when we saw just the anticipation of the strengthening rand, quite a lot of stock came in. And with the result that there was only a ZAR 50,000 (sic) [ 50,000 tonnes ] difference in 2019 being higher than 2020. And you'll see from 2021 dotted line that also took off at speed. And the ITAC ruling remains an important one to be put to bed as soon as possible and not really see any further protracted deliberations with regarding to implementation of restrictions on imports. We always give some feedback on the first quarter of the calendar year for cement as well as their financial year ends in December due to the fact that they're a subsidiary of DCP, and we record up to March. And we always have the first quarter available again. Revenue increased 16% to ZAR 541 million year-on-year, of which sales volumes was really a 6% increase and price increases 6% to 8%. Of course, the mix will give you the 16% that we're reporting on. On the other hand, and it's always the first quarter, result is always impacted by that, and the Q1 profitability was impacted by the scheduled annual kiln stop for the maintenance shutdown,. It was down for the whole of February. And that had added complication, the fact that we had a very, very good second half of last year. Demand was so high that we were not able to stop our clinker for the period, which the kiln would have been down. We were really selling cement as fast as we could produce it during the second half of 2020, resulting in an insufficient stockpiles of clinker during the period that we had the kiln shutdown and that required buying of clinker, of course, at an additional cost, which has an impact on the comparable to the previous year. But overall, a good start to the year with regards to volumes and normal first quarter type results from that. Looking at the outlook, the residential building expected to remain in the subsector of growth through 2021. The immediate demand stimulus effect of cheaper mortgages expected to subside in the absence of improved production levels. Our group focus will still be the reduction of debt for both companies, to continue the pace for cost control and then, of course, Métier's expansion into the Western Cape. Ladies and gentlemen, that takes care of the presentation of the results that was published yesterday afternoon, and we can open the floor for questions.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Charles Boles of Titanium Capital.

Charles Boles

analyst
#5

Good job on cost control. I had a couple of questions, so we could maybe take them one at a time. The first one is just to understand the leases, I understand originally you sold your Midrand property and you did a sale and leaseback of a period of time for that. When you sell the kits to contractors, is that on fixed leases back? Or is that just contracted in on volumes delivered? Or how does that work?

Neil Crafford-Lazarus

executive
#6

Charles, as far as lease is concerned, that was straight, although not an official sale and leaseback because we own the property and Métier leased from us. So they continue to lease this with a new owner, but that was the principle there of the sale of a building with a continued lease commitment from the Métier side. The vehicles, I'll let Kenneth just give you some color on that one.

Kenneth Capes

executive
#7

Thanks, Neil. Essentially, with the fleet, we actually reduced the fleet first of all about 13% to be able to get the efficiencies up. And then we had a couple of vehicles that we sold to our existing subcontractors, which was already prior to COVID, a deal that my predecessor had already signed. So effectively, what we did was we reduced our own fleet, which has ended up being that we probably only own 5% of the fleet. However, that will change going forward because we believe the model should be a 50-50. But that's -- it wasn't that many vehicles that we sold to the subcontractors. It was more a reduction in fleet size.

Charles Boles

analyst
#8

I got you. So just 2 aspects of that. When you -- with your subcontractors, you don't have guaranteed volumes or fixed monthly rentals, is payable on a volumes delivered basis? Is that how it works, Kenneth?

Kenneth Capes

executive
#9

That's correct. It's a pure variable arrangement. So hence, our responsibility to make sure that they get enough loads. If we're able to give them more loads, we're able to get a unit price reduction. And that's where we've got the efficiencies out of it. Essentially, we've -- on the presentation, I think we said 5% reduction. It's actually between 5% and 8% depending on which distances we do. So probably a little bit more than 5% reduction overall.

Charles Boles

analyst
#10

I got you. And 50-50 is a model that gives you cost -- minimal cost with, I suppose, a line for fluctuations in demand?

Kenneth Capes

executive
#11

Correct. And if the demand is -- if there isn't a demand, we obviously have -- we give a contract to the subcontractors. And those eventually lapse and run month-by-month. So if the -- so at any point in time, even though we own 50% of the fleet, we are able to reduce the subcontractor kit accordingly. And they don't mind it either because they know that you're reducing the cost, but you're giving them -- keeping the utilization up. So the model works for us. It's a model I prefer. My predecessor had a different view on it. But the model has worked for us. So that's the kind of model that we'd like to go back to.

Charles Boles

analyst
#12

Thanks, Kenneth. I see in the results that Métier terminated CGIC cover because the cost of cover or availability of cover decreased, but then bought insurance to hedge against potential bad debt. I'm not entirely sure where that leaves the business. Can you clarify?

Kenneth Capes

executive
#13

I can do. So at COVID, we got a letter saying that we had to reduce our cover by 30% and then subsequent to that, another 30%, and subsequent to that, another 30%. So effectively, the CGIC cover was so low that it actually wasn't worth having it. So we took a view to look around in the market and Santam was offering a product where we could self-insure as well as have insurance cover with it. So it's a dual effort of building up your own self-insurance with a protection mechanism that should you have a claim that an insurance policy would kick in at the same time. And we -- so far, we've been building that fund up quite nicely, and I think that's what we're going to do going forward, so we still have some protection.

Charles Boles

analyst
#14

So instead of CGIC cover at a specific debt level, you're now taking cover on the aggregate book with a higher self-insured deductible essentially?

Kenneth Capes

executive
#15

That's correct, yes.

Charles Boles

analyst
#16

Yes. Okay. So last question, if I may. The -- just to be clear, the debt in SepCem is ZAR 581 million, that excludes the ZAR 125 million. And the ZAR 125 million, just to be clear, the commentary talks about a debt service reserve account of ZAR 152 million that includes the ZAR 125 million?

Neil Crafford-Lazarus

executive
#17

Yes. Yes, let me just explain that one. You see we always have a debt service reserve account. We'd acquired a debt service reserve account. And the debt service reserve account has to have the highest quarterly payment in the next year in it. So it had ZAR 152 million in it being the, let's say, third quarter payment for that year. But then when COVID struck, we knew we weren't going to be able to make the May payment, and we asked them to use the debt service reserve account for the May payment and then give us a relief for the third quarter and fourth quarter. And they said they only give the relief if we top up the debt service reserve account first. So we needed to refund that with ZAR 125 million, it then stood on ZAR 152 million, and they used that whole ZAR 152 million for the third quarter. That's the way the requirement for a debt service account to be -- to exist. So that was an application of this account and the existence of the account going forward was taken off the table. So there was the one payment score from the mechanism.

Charles Boles

analyst
#18

But the aggregate or shareholder loan is the ZAR 581 million plus the ZAR 125 million?

Neil Crafford-Lazarus

executive
#19

Yes, correct.

Operator

operator
#20

Charles, if you have any more questions, you may go ahead. There's no one else in the queue at the moment.

Charles Boles

analyst
#21

Tremendous. I have 2 more questions then, if I may. The other one is community unrest in the Lichtenburg area. Could you give us some sense of what you're encountering? We hear different reports of what people are experiencing there.

Neil Crafford-Lazarus

executive
#22

Duan?

Duan Claassen

executive
#23

Charles, thank you very much. Yes, there's a lot being said in the media of late, especially in view of municipal service collapse and the likes of Clover closing shop and moving elsewhere. So apart from that, which is really in the town of Lichtenburg, we're based 35 kilometers outside of town, maybe up to 40 kilometers, depending on which road you take nowadays with the roads. So we've been working closely with communities surrounding the plant, which is really what we're dealing with. And so as much as council is playing a role, it's more really us talking directly to those communities, which is also traditional communities led by traditional leadership structures. As much as there's been a massive vacuum in the leadership itself on that side, which is partly why we're delaying finalizing of our SLPs and acceptance from communities, it's been a challenge. It's more a leadership challenge because every year we find the new leadership representation and new groupings that plan to represent those communities. But in general, as far as our relationships are concerned, we find that post-COVID, we get more rumblings in terms of job creation, more than any of our commitments. We've got a number of initiatives that I think we've mentioned in some of the documentation we've circulated with the [indiscernible] a nonprofit company that we've established. So there's a lot of good work in the background with acceptance from communities where we're going to do a lot of initiatives and build some projects for the benefits of those communities. So I think for the most part, the recent events is not really directly impacting us. It's more towards the people in the town itself. So yes, some of our employees live there, most, well a lot of them do actually. And it's something that we as business also look to get involved with, to try and resolve some of those issues. It's been a bit of a challenge of late because of all the changes, again, the fact that it's been administration, the fact that there's been some leadership changes also in the local government setup in town itself. So not really a major concern for us. The interactions that we've had with the communities have, in general, been positive with the recent -- I think as recent as beginning of May, we had a session with Minister Mantashe, and some of the community members, local government as well as some of the other cement producers, which is very fruitful, where we basically pay in the way of getting some of these SLP projects off the ground, more working jointly as industry where we can have more focus on high-impact projects. So there's certainly been some delays in finalizing, but I think it's -- there's some positive involvement now from the minister himself, which I think will pave the way for resolving a lot of these issues in the community, hopefully very soon.

Charles Boles

analyst
#24

While you're there, your results talk about technical challenges that affected some incumbents, it seems to refer to more than one. You're referring to Lafarge -- maybe differently, could you tell us who you're referring to and how significant those volumes were that had come out of the market? And should we expect that as they resolve those issues, some of the volume benefit we've seen with the listed cement players might fall away?

Duan Claassen

executive
#25

Well, firstly, if we look at the official statistics, which has only been released recently taking up to the third quarter of last year and overall market contraction and if you look at our results, PPC's results, one can only conclude that some of the other incumbents must have suffered. We were aware of some technical issues from time to time when it happens, we're not excluded. We all do these -- we're going through these challenges. But apologies for my voice, but then we know about Lafarge had some issues just as I think the lockdown struck. That was one of their baghouses that they needed to replace. And so as far as [ agreement ] is concerned, that's something that we've experienced because we've been fairly close with that. Our employees are also living in the same town. So cement companies, people know more or less what's happening to the rest. And then I think some of the others were mostly affected maybe by the supply of raw materials. It's also well documented that there was a constraint on ash supply for a period of time last year. And so that would have affected some of the incumbents as well.

Charles Boles

analyst
#26

Do you think that significantly impacts your volumes in the current year or not, has that come back or not?

Duan Claassen

executive
#27

As far as we're concerned, we are fortunate in that those have been resolved fairly quickly as far as supplier, our clients is concerned. I can't speak for some of the other incumbents. We've also got contracts with Eskom. We managed to revolve that really quickly. So that's obviously been eliminated. There's also been a supply chain -- supply problem with gypsum in the inland region last year. I think partly because of the closure of one of the dumps from petrochemicals in Lichtenburg. So we were only reliant on the remaining synthetic gypsum producer. And with the H2 demand that we saw, and it was also well documented, I think there was a capacity constraint there. So that would certainly have also affected some of the other involved players in as much as alternatives had to be sought at some premium.

Operator

operator
#28

Our next question is from Rowan Goeller of Chronux Research.

Rowan Goeller

analyst
#29

Two questions from my side, but one is on SepCem or cement's margins, the EBITDA margin, in particular. Can you just run through the last year? It's come up quite nicely as you talked about a 21% margin post the December period. But what has been driving the margins if you break it down into volume, price and cost savings? And then just if we look forward over the next year, what could drive that margin potentially further? The volumes have been very good. So further volume growth would be nice, but I'd just be interested in getting your view on that. Pricing also seems to have been pushed quite a bit and whether there's much scope for further pricing. But then also on any further cost savings that one would be able to realize in the next year?

Duan Claassen

executive
#30

Thank you. If I may, Neil, I think last year's EBITDA, we said H2 was particularly encouraging from a volume perspective. And that, of course, is with a certain amount of fixed overheads and fixed costs that definitely will drive your margins. As far as pricing is concerned, it is -- there's the fact, as we mentioned earlier, if I look at the imbalance in supply from the incumbents that we mentioned with the previous caller, that certainly will normalize at some stage, one would imagine. So how that will impact pricing, that remains to be seen. The other main factor that I think we've all spoken about is industries, the impact of inputs. And with -- even if you look at a 5% contraction year-on-year in a market that would have contracted a lot more than that based on the 3 quarters of numbers that we've seen, that is something to be conscious of and how that will impact on pricing, that remains to be seen. Going forward, in terms of our volumes, we tend to agree that it seems that the market has sort of normalized back to the 2019 levels. I agree with the statements that PPC has made recently that we would certainly concur with that. As far as cost savings are concerned, we really had to dig deep in terms of discretionary expenditure, our fixed costs. Neil mentioned what we did there. It was really tough on the business and on the employees, of course. They're all mature and understand that we needed to do this to just weather the storm. We certainly -- at the same time, whilst we're suffering through things like the scenario during COVID and the lockdowns, we really looked at ways of cutting costs and sustainably doing that. And we found a number of initiatives in terms of how we're going to run the business related to sourcing of your product, related to decisions on which plants to run during high demand, low demand. When I talk about that, I'm talking about the winter and summer tariffs for Eskom, for instance. So there's a lot of scope there where one could tweak your business and have sustained cost savings going forward. So that is something as much as we won't see the same amount of short-term cuts that we experienced last year, some of that we mentioned, we're going to have to recover, we need to look after our employees because we pride ourselves on the fact that our employees are the best available skills in the industry, which was one of the benefits that we had when we started out a few years ago, starting with a new venture. So we pride that, and so we need to look after them. So remuneration element we believe will normalize back to where we were in 2019 levels. But some of the others, we certainly believe there is some savings that we could sustain going forward.

Neil Crafford-Lazarus

executive
#31

Rowan, just on that H2 EBITDA that you referred to that was such a good number. I think it's important to appreciate that the H2 volume for last year was 62% of the annual volume. So there was -- it was quite a shift of volume to fixed overheads for a 6-month period that generated those type of numbers. And then in a year where you have the normal -- normalized fall and seeing spring better over year-on-year, but a 12-month average that includes the normal stoppages, so it's not something that you expect to achieve out of the blocks again for the full period.

Rowan Goeller

analyst
#32

And then the next question is more sort of a long-term strategic one. You -- over the next 1.5 years, your debt repayments in Sephaku Cement come down when the project finance payments effectively come to an end. Your balance sheet, depending on the cash flows you generate, it could be in quite a comfortable position. But what is the plan going forward? Is Dangote Cement still a partner that wants to stay in South Africa, first of all? They were very helpful, I suppose, through the period when you had project finance debt because they did come and help parts -- at various times there. But are they still committed to South Africa? Or is there anything changed with your -- just in your discussions or relationship, and is Sephaku Holdings possibly able to pick up a higher percentage of Sephaku Cement? What is the game plan for Sephaku Holdings going forward?

Neil Crafford-Lazarus

executive
#33

Rowan, thank you very much. I think I actually intended to say something about that loan and the repayment on that slide, and I did move on before doing that. So it's a good opportunity to just come back to it here. So we're currently sitting at ZAR 900 million of bank debt, of which another ZAR 320 million will be paid this year, leaving us with next year about ZAR 290 million in the first 3 quarters and then a bullet of ZAR 370 million. That will take care of the full ZAR 890 million or whatever, ZAR 892 million, what the number is at the moment. Now it is also good to have some level of debt. And then we must also address the ZAR 580 million that is owing to Dangote from that standby loan because the moment that the bank debt is paid, then of course, is next in queue. And then it's not that he would say that, that needs to be paid before we can look at dividends or anything like that. He's appreciative of the fact that none of the shareholders has got anything out of it while we were servicing debt. We will talk about that profile. But one of the things that we're currently considering is also when we're putting in a corporate facility, also to, let's say, take some of that final bullet of ZAR 370 million and a portion of the Dangote loan based on our EBITDA -- debt-to-EBITDA levels of, let's say, 2 or something like that, one would be in a situation where one can easily service debt and have funds available for shareholders going forward. I think that position has -- will be a comfortable one. And secondly, with regard to the DCP [indiscernible] comes up in our minds, and it's a question that we ask. And then on his side, the answer is always that he's investing for long term, and he really sees that things will turn very positive in 2 years' time in South Africa. I'm not sure what he based that on, but that is his words. But the flip side is also true and that no asset is not for sale. So if we can agree to a price and we have someone that is interested in taking a larger stake in SepHold, that is also something that we can entertain. And it's always numbers that we're running, I mean otherwise we wouldn't be doing our jobs.

Operator

operator
#34

[Operator Instructions] We have a follow-up question from Charles Boles of Titanium Capital.

Charles Boles

analyst
#35

Sorry, just maybe a little bit of clarity around the extenders. My understanding is that there were issues from -- of ash from Eskom because of plant issues, and there were supply issues from ArcelorMittal given how they were running their facilities. How big is that supply from ArcelorMittal into the extender market? Would that significantly have impacted, for example, AfriSam sales, given that they're big suppliers into the extender blender market?

Duan Claassen

executive
#36

Charles, yes, if I may, Neil?

Neil Crafford-Lazarus

executive
#37

Yes, sure.

Duan Claassen

executive
#38

So as far as the ash -- firstly, the ash, which is what we're familiar with, so we can comment on that. Yes, there was a period of time, I think, where Eskom had renewed the [indiscernible] supply contracts, and that was just the decision across the board. So you would have read in the media that there's a number of contracts that they awarded last year and some of those incumbents in contracts were 2 new incumbents that didn't have any processing plants. So in that period of -- and it happened to be just before the major level 5 lockdown and carried on for a period of time after that, that's really when ash suppliers became a bit of an issue. For the clinker manufacturing incumbent, of course, you can always resort to limestone extension. So we had some alternatives, which maybe not everyone had, so we were fortunate from that perspective. As far as the Mittal supply is concerned, yes, we know that there's been quite a bit of a downsizing. Some of those blast furnaces that have not been running. So I can only imagine that would have affected the supply into the -- specifically the inland region. Because a lot of those stockpiles, you need to use some of the fresh slag, some of the old stockpiles is not really something that one could bank on and depending on the inventory levels that they would have had, I personally don't know what that level -- what those levels were. So that would have been probably something that is more of a longer term until the steel production normalizes.

Operator

operator
#39

It seems that we have no further questions on the lines. I would like to hand back over to Sakhile for closing comments.

Sakhile Ndlovu

executive
#40

Thank you very much, Irene, and I would like to thank everybody who has participated on this conference call. For any further questions that you may have following this presentation later on, you can use the contact details on the last slide of the presentation to send me your questions, and we'll respond as quickly as possible. And I would like to wish all of you a very good day and goodbye.

Neil Crafford-Lazarus

executive
#41

Thank you. Goodbye.

Operator

operator
#42

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.

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