Shoe Station Group Inc. (SHOE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 9, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Jenna Giannelli
analystHi, everyone. Thank you so much for joining us today as part of our 28th Annual Goldman Sachs Retail Conference. My name is Jenna Giannelli. I'm the retail consumer credit analyst here at Goldman Sachs. And today, I have the pleasure of hosting members of the management team of Shoe Carnival. Shoe Carnival is one of the nation's largest family footwear retailers offering customers a broad assortment of dress, casual and athletic footwear for the entire family with a key emphasis on national name brands. At the start of the year, Shoe Carnival had over -- nearly 400 stores across 35 states and Puerto Rico, and continues to grow that number as its footprint expands. With that, I'd like to welcome Mark Worden, recently elected the company's new CEO, currently Chief Customer Officer; and Kerry Jackson, Senior Vice President and CFO of Shoe Carnival. Mark, Kerry, thank you so much for being with us. Can I kick it over to you for some prepared or introductory comments to start off the session today? And Mark, I think -- we're still just on mute.
Mark Worden
executiveLet's try that again. Good afternoon. Can you hear me now? Wonderful. Well, let me start by saying thank you to Goldman Sachs for hosting us today and for our investors and analysts for joining us. It's been a great pleasure to be here. I've been the President since 2019 of Shoe Carnival and I have the privilege of becoming CEO later this month. And I wanted to share briefly before we jump into Q&A. The Shoe Carnival brand, our financial performance and the underlying business fundamentals have never been stronger than they are now in 2021 coming out of the pandemic for the past 1.5 years. Our customers have resoundingly across the country returned to shopping live in our stores across our footprint from New York to Florida, Texas to Ohio and everywhere in between. Our e-commerce sales are booming, up triple-digit from pre-pandemic levels and profits, most importantly, have more than doubled this year versus the 5 years leading into this. We're incredibly well positioned to deliver on our strategic plans, make share gains. And in the years ahead, we think the profit profile is quite exciting. So we look forward to the discussions with you today, and please, we're ready for Q&A to begin.
Jenna Giannelli
analystThanks, Mark. So let's start with that. You talked about that strength and health of the consumer shopping in your stores. What are some of the most notable changes that you're seeing in consumer behavior post pandemic? Are they shopping more frequently? Are they shopping bigger baskets, different categories? And talk to us about how you're thinking about long-term sustainability as we emerge from some of the tailwinds such as stimulus that we had at the beginning of the year?
Mark Worden
executiveIt's been really interesting. If you look at 2020 early in the pandemic, our customers' buying behavior surged online. The benefits of safety of convenience were really heightened drivers of where and when to shop. And a pattern emerged then that people, our customers are coming to stores on a mission. If you were calling out during 2020 pandemic era, you were coming in with a clear set of shoes you wanted to get and we experienced record conversion rates, higher transaction sizes and we have the inventory on hand and brands our customers wanted. Now building on that, if you pivot to 2021, we plan for growth. We plan for the consumers to want to get to some normalcy. And we bought for it, we staffed for it, and we've prepared and invested for it. The 2 things happened. The vaccination rates and vaccinations have created a different consumer perspective on shopping, and dealing with COVID has pivoted from the unknown early on to figuring out how to live with it and deal with the necessities of life and be buying footwear for yourself and your kids is one of those important things. So we have seen the footwear consumers resoundingly return to shopping in-store live at levels we didn't think would return this quick with the pandemic. Recently, specifically, we guided that our first 3 weeks of our Q3, our traffic was up over 50% versus the same period in 2020 and over 20% pre-pandemic 2019. So to say bricks and mortars are not healthy, would be incorrect in our business. They are stronger than ever at this moment. I would say there was a lot of pent-up demand that was captured in 2020, of course, and we benefited from stores being closed and then a huge purchase occasion catch-up. But in 2021, we find that it's not pent-up demand anymore. We find we're being able to get introduced to some customers that may have more disposable income due to the government stimulus benefits this year. We're finding that they are trying us at a rate that is double digit beyond prior records, and we're having new customer acquisition accelerate. So all in all, we're incredibly optimistic on the consumers' behavior. It shifted favorably for Shoe Carnival dynamics all across the country.
Jenna Giannelli
analystThat's helpful. And then this may answer or may have answered my next question. But just in terms of what we're seeing with more current behavior in light of the Delta variant, has there been any more recent shift or even a moderation of slowdown, any sort of hesitancy that you might be seeing in that consumer behavior of them coming back into the store?
Mark Worden
executiveYes. Simply no. But as we guided, the 2021 back-to-school season will be by far the strongest sales and the most profitable in our company's 43-year history despite Delta's challenges across the country. Customers resoundingly returning to brick-and-mortar is recent as August. And again, we saw store traffic up over 50% versus August the prior year. In fact, if you think about all the store divisions from the North all the way down to Texas, we saw mid-double-digit traffic gains across all regions during that 3-week period in August. So back-to-school, kids are going back, sports are starting and despite Delta, people are shopping for shoes at Shoe Carnival stronger than ever before.
Jenna Giannelli
analystThat's great to hear. And I think thing that we are asking all companies who are participating in the conference today and tomorrow is just as they think about that consumer demand and moving away from the first half, maybe some of those tailwinds that we saw how you're thinking about that demand cadence into the end of '21 and into '22. If you had to characterize it as staying the same, accelerating or decelerating what would be your best guess?
Mark Worden
executiveWell, I'd say the fundamentals for '21 have been very strong and remain very strong and our outlook for the remainder of 2021 fundamentals, traffic, conversion, transaction size, margins, all robust. And our guidance has those continuing to be strong throughout the calendar year. We've provided guidance, Q2 earnings that we see record sales and profits for the back half of 2021, and that takes in consideration the COVID-19 situation. Ultimately, I think our shareholders, we will be providing earnings per share this year that exceeds the prior 2 years combined. So we're excited that the customers are back and we can provide shareholders really a step change in profit this year.
Jenna Giannelli
analystThat's great. So I mean, I guess, switching a little bit away from the top line, which it sounds like is incredibly strong, your customer base and at the macro level. There are a few more puts and takes just on the margin side. And inflation has certainly been a big topic across all companies that we've spoken with today. So can you just walk us through a little bit, what are the biggest areas of inflation as it's flowing through your P&L, whether it's wages, freight, distribution, et cetera. How does your guidance incorporate it? And then what are the best -- some of the best mitigants that you have or levers to pull to offset some of those headwinds that we're seeing?
W. Jackson
executiveWell, Jenna, the 2 primary inflationary pressures we're seeing, and we've built this into our guidance that we've seen in all years, supply chain costs and labor costs. Everyone in the global supply chains have been under significant pressure due to shortage of the assets and higher shipping volumes. This has increased our costs. We saw this in the first half, even though we had record profits, we had much higher cost. We're expecting to see then in the second half much higher cost, both from the supply chain cost and tight labor market. We're going to continue to fund labor costs so that we had -- we give our customers that great experience, the exceptional shopping experiences they are looking for, and we need to have experienced maximum employees in the aisles, so they can have quick checkout, maintain the inventory and clean environment. The escalating labor rates are really a market-by-market item. We see a lot of different variances between markets. But that's -- we factored all of that into our guidance for the second half and in all honesty, it will be a headwind for next year also. You may be surprised I didn't talk about product costs being a headwind of inflation this year. We are expecting product costs to go up, but it's one that is not going to affect our P&L this year, there will be a headwind against our operating margins for next year.
Jenna Giannelli
analystAnd do you guys have a point of view or thought around as we think about the moderation of some of those supply chain headwinds, when we might see that normalize a bit, how long will the industry and you'd be waiting? And then as we think about mitigates our ability to offset those, another common question we're asking all companies participating, your biggest lever to mitigate it. So whether it's increasing your lead times, shifting production, air freight? And then separately, do you expect your inventories to grow faster or slower than sales in the second half, and that really speaks to just, I guess, the availability of product, but curious your thoughts?
W. Jackson
executiveWell, some of the costs will be transitory. The supply chain cost, as I said, are really based on an increase in demand and a shortage of assets to basically transport those goods. Eventually, the assets we put in place and demand will probably come down. But we see that as a headwind, probably at least what we're hearing in the industry at least through back-to-school next year. So -- but we wouldn't expect that to fall back to pre-pandemic levels. I think that we're going to see elevated costs on an ongoing basis. The labor costs are probably going to be an ongoing issue. We don't foresee that changing. That's -- we have factored that to be more of a permanent change, and we see it escalating at least for the next couple of years, as labor rates across the country continue to increase. You asked about the mitigating factors. I'd tell you the -- what we have found is the biggest mitigating factor for us is to have our merchants, our supply chain people working closely with our vendor partners to come up with creative solutions to try to get the inventory to our distribution center and then from our distribution centers to our stores. Product is late. It's across the board for everybody. But what we're trying to do is trying to be creative to get it into the stores and what you're seeing right now is kind of rolling lateness. So we didn't receive all the goods we expected in August, and we're seeing late shipments in September, but we're receiving the products we expected in August and September. So we're having a fresh assortment of goods coming into our stores at all times. It's just a little later than we had expected. You asked about inventory levels, you know, what we've seen is going into back-to-school on a per-store basis, our inventories were up 4%. So we did a great job. Our merchant team and our supply chain team have done a great job of getting the inventory in prior to our peak season. We are to typically be lowering our inventories at the end of the year as we sell through the fall and winter goods, and we're waiting for spring to start. But one of the mitigations we may take into account is to bring in our spring goods earlier. Some of the transitionary athletic goods. If they're available, we're going to try to bring them in prior to the time we would normally bring it into February. We might be agreeing them in January. So if our plans work, we'll probably see higher inventory levels at the end of the year than we would historically have seen.
Jenna Giannelli
analystIn terms of how you feel positioned for holiday, I appreciate the back-to-school is a very big season for you. But as we think about holiday as well. Do you feel good about the level and the mix of inventory as we approach that you just have a good line of sight to getting that steady flow of goods in the door.
W. Jackson
executiveIt feels the same as it's been all year long. We're going to have late shipments. Similarly on time, we're going to have product in our stores. We have boots in our stores today. We're taking deliveries of boots right now. We're going to have a nice assortment of boots when the weather turns cool for the customer to be, and we'll continue to -- the difference has been as opposed to having most of your inventory at the beginning of this season, we'll be flowing it through the entire season. So we're replenishing it. I think we feel comfortable that we can achieve our stated guidance that we put out there with the inventories and the visibility we have on it, and I think our customers will be satisfied.
Jenna Giannelli
analystGreat. I'd love to switch gears and ask a little bit more about some of the -- a lot of the company's strategic initiatives, which are impressive and exciting more within our control than the things that are outside of our control, whether it's supply chain or the consumer. So let's dive into some of that. Maybe let's start a little bit with just your footprint. I'd say it's probably more recent years, Footprint growth has not been the biggest driver, but you've identified some opportunity now the white space opportunities. So talk to us about how you're thinking about the footprint, the availability of real estate where that number of doors could grow to? And what some of those attractive markets are that you see?
Mark Worden
executiveGreat. The past few years, our focus has been on rapidly driving company profitability and more specifically, store productivity. And so as part of that, we streamlined the fleet. We closed our low-performing stores and we started a robust investment to modernize our fleet. And this has resulted in more than doubling our operating profit this year as compared to the past 5 years' average. More specifically, on the store productivity front. Now that we've cleaned up the fleet from low performers, our sales per square foot are approaching $300 versus $245 in 2019, and our average sales per door are now $3.2 million versus $2.6 million back in 2019. So a really significantly enhanced productivity from our base. And so now as we enter 2022, we're going to reignite store growth, with the plan to return to net new store growth during 2022 and an accelerating projection as we head into '23 and '24. Near term, you asked about geography and where, our focus is on the 35 states that we currently have significant presence or market share in. And we see material opportunity to expand market share and leverage the current brand awareness and footprint we already have and infrastructure. And so our focus near term will be on the 35 states and particularly the states that we have significant competitive share to be taken.
Jenna Giannelli
analystAs we think about other investment opportunities within the store, right, the shop-in-shops and the partnership with Nike. Can you talk to us a little bit about that, those shop-in-shops? You're adding another 100 through 2023. How big can that grow to? What kind of conflicts are you seeing when you add those into the store? And is there an opportunity to take that even higher?
Mark Worden
executiveYes. We're still excited about our shop-in-shop program that we've been rolling out. As we started the year, we had a little over 1/4 of the fleet with Nike shop-in-shops. We are on track now to have over half of the fleet during mid-2022. And we see that providing something incredibly important to our customer experience. They say that having these athletic shop-in-shops, modern, digital, great assortment gives them a distinct shopping experience. It gives them that compelling brand representation. And importantly, we're finding it less sell products at a higher AUR or full price realization because the experience is so enjoyable and the assortment of meeting their needs, we're not having to need discount. So we think that there's room to take athletic shop-in-shops across the entire fleet. And as part of our store modernization plan, we've said over the next 3 to 4-ish years from now, we'll have over 2/3 of that fleet modernized. And our ambition is to go faster than that. Comps and customer responses have all been very encouraging in these early days. So we plan to be increasing our capital prioritization of that store modernization, rolling out the athletic shop-in-shops and getting over half of our fleet with Nike's by mid-2022. We're really excited about it.
Jenna Giannelli
analystAnd in addition to Nike, I mean, are there other -- obviously leaning into Nike, leaning into athletic and that's been a very strong area across footwear, apparel. But are there other brands as well that you're leaning even more into or that could be interesting expansion or add-on opportunities as you think about your focus on a strong core national brand portfolio?
Mark Worden
executiveYes. I'd say customers are very happy with Shoe Carnival's breadth of categories. It's the real strength of our model that roughly half our footwear sales are athletic and half are nonathletic. And we span a portfolio delighting moms, females, dads, husbands, children and the age spectrum. It's truly a family shopping experience. And the breadth of brands, we believe in family footwear, we have the most brand-centric, brand-focused portfolio based on us being singularly retail focused, not in the wholesale business, not beholden to other vertical integrations. We are singularly focused on the best brands that our partners want to engage with us on. The right trends that our merchants are identifying and buying deep across those. We -- I'm so proud of our merchant teams, strong vendor relations. And I think that has a set up incredibly well to continue with that retail focus building brand.
Jenna Giannelli
analystKids is another thing. I mean, another area you talked about that family experience and really being a family destination. Kids has been another strategic initiative for you. Can you talk a little bit more about that? I guess what is the biggest growth opportunity there? How could that grow as a piece of your business? And I know you spoke to the strength of back-to-school, but specifically that season relative to if we think about 2019 or 2018, what are some of the consumer trends that you're seeing that make it such an opportunity?
Mark Worden
executiveWe do extensive research with moms that understand where they prefer buying kids' footwear product. And resoundingly, they love coming to Shoe Carnival and buying their kids' footwear needs with us across the country. So for us, we're most excited that the communities we serve across the nation are back to school, they're back to sports, training, starting and shopping patterns have returned for kids purchases. They're very similar to 2019 now. And so that's incredibly encouraging for us as a kids footwear destination. In fact, our customers are back to shopping at levels exceeding 2019, both in-store and online. So we expect that momentum to continue through the back-to-school season and through our guidance for the rest of the year as we get into holiday purchases. Broader speaking, we're seeing significant opportunities as many competitors that are focused on kids footwear have either gone out of business in the last few years or have weakened competitive assortments or positions. And I'll give you one specific example. Payless was a major national competitor of ours on the low end of the price scale, but had a significant kids business. When they no longer were a national player, we were able to pick up significant new customers trying Shoe Carnival, buying the kids product and coming in. So we're most excited about our access to the brands and products and styles that kids want, but even more so about how strong we are positioned and how there's less competition or weakened competition for assortment for kids.
Jenna Giannelli
analystThat's helpful. And it does sound like a lot of the initiatives and the focus of the company is really guided by listening to the consumer and obviously what the consumer wants, which makes for a good retailer. But can you talk to us about what -- how you're using CRM? Do you have a strong loyalty program, talk to us about that? And what have been some of the key insights that you've learned from that loyalty program and your core customer to help get that product and that offering to the consumer?
Mark Worden
executiveThank you spot on. As an organization and personally, I operate with a customer-first mindset, and we're grounded both in customer experience and rigorous data analytics, and they really drive the way we operate. We invested significant resources during the pandemic and over the last couple of years to build the leading capabilities in CRM. Specifically, we invested in the technology. The technology is just the answer in this. We also, importantly built the organizational structure, brought in the top talent and have built the processes, and we have great people now. So that we not only have the way to have technology engage with customers, we have the people and processes in place to leverage it profitably. And right now, we're excited about 2 things specifically we're working on. We're leveraging our insights to drive customer acquisition to levels we had not yet ever set for objectives. We're seeing double-digit gains in our customer acquisition now that we're using our CRM analytics. And importantly, we're retaining them and converting them into Shoe Perks loyalty members, our program. We now have over 27 million loyalty members, and it's growing close to double digit year-over-year. Importantly, with the infrastructure, the people, this huge base of 27 million customers in place, there's a significant runway ahead for us to drive growth on further acquisitions to fuel comp stores accelerating as well as profit as we get more retention in the chain. So it's been a key driver of our success, we believe, and we'll continue to.
Jenna Giannelli
analystSo some of those investments that you made last year added upon it last year in terms of technology and data and CRM. Do you feel good about where you are now? Or is it kind of always a work in progress, and they will still continue to be investment made? Or has the bulk of that been done at this point in terms of where you want to be?
Mark Worden
executiveYes. Well, we're never satisfied in the digital CRM growth phase. We think where we were was good for yesterday, but we will continue to accelerate our learnings and continue to grow from here. We use the baseball metaphor frequently. 2018 when this came on board and we really started seriously with CRM. We're starting the baseball game. Now 3 years later, we've got the people and structure, and we're getting benefit, but we're probably still in the third or fourth inning of this game with many innings or years ahead of growth of profits of learning of insights. So -- it's been a great investment. We're thrilled we made it, and we're just at the early stages of capturing growth.
Jenna Giannelli
analystAnd it wouldn't be a conversation about technology investment, if we didn't talk about our transition to e-commerce and digital penetration. So clearly, you talked about the customer coming back to the store, brick-and-mortar up relative to '19, which is great to hear. How are you thinking about e-commerce penetration going forward as we comp the very strong 2020, which was an unusual year? And I guess another question that we're asking all companies participating is, are you thinking about penetration in '22 relative to what we saw in 2021 at higher, lower or the same?
Mark Worden
executiveWell, we're fortunate, we had a long-term strategic plan we put in place to rapidly build our omnichannel experience and capabilities. We set that in 2018 to be significantly ahead by '21, '22. So when the pandemic led to reap up brick-and-mortar closing, you never expect that in your career. We were in good shape because we had already put the capabilities and technology, we are ready to pivot to an e-commerce business in 2020. So now flash forward, we're seeing triple-digit growth versus 2019 in our e-commerce and is driven by high double-digit digital traffic gains. But in context, e-commerce was a very small portion of our business in 2019, representing less than 6% of the company's revenues. Now we're anticipating it's approximately 13% for fiscal 2021. And with better visibility now on COVID impacts customer shopping behavior. We feel we've got a good runway in our next strategic plan to see e-commerce will continue to grow, and all climb to the high teens to low 20s percent of the total corporate revenue in the coming years, while at the same time, brick-and-mortar grows. So this is not going to be a case where percents grow, but the pie gets smaller. We see growth in the core of our business, but an accelerated growth rate, sustainable in e-commerce, back to the high teens, low 20s. Ultimately, we are a brick-and-mortar first company as -- I think we can all relate. It's incredibly fun to buy shoes. The joy we're seeing from our customers and ourselves breaking from slippers and bathrooms at home to getting out and buying things and shopping with friends and family. People have fun buying shoes, it's not drudgery. And so people love coming to Shoe Carnival for that and brick-and-mortar will be the key. But absolutely, the digital e-commerce in that high teen, low 20s. is in our line of sight for the next few years, to get to the next few years.
Jenna Giannelli
analystCan relate to that. Certainly, people do love to buy shoes. So it's good to hear. And so -- but as we think about that digital penetration growing, the top line being strong, but like you said, not necessarily cannibalizing. So overall, being accretive to margin. Well, I guess that is the question. How do we think about the impact to margins? Because as we grow those digital sales, we've got higher delivery expense. People can be finicky with their feet and their shoes and the fit in. So how do we think about return rates, et cetera, how do you maximize the profitability and what levers do you have to make that online growth as profitable as it can be?
Mark Worden
executiveAs I start my new role as CEO, profit transformation is the key strategic priority. We've transformed our business model over the past year, focus on value customers experience, personalization of offers and delivering a broad assortment. And as we've changed the business model, we were able to take an e-commerce business, as I said earlier, less than 6% of our sales and highly dilutive, a significant delta between e-commerce overall contribution in stores in 2019. And so it was challenging to want to accelerate that growth. Now flash forward to Q2 2021, we increased our e-commerce profits drastically. Margins are up over 1,500 basis points versus 2019, 1,500. And so we now have an e-commerce business to provide our shareholders true value, where the contribution of e-commerce, it's still slightly dilutive to brick-and-mortar, but it's very close to be incomparable. And that enables us to say, let's go get that high double-digit growth rate. Let's go after truly omnichannel, where we're neutral to a customer can pick our brick-and-mortar or e-commerce, because it's not a profit lever or dilutor anymore. So we're really energized, but it's all come down to the ability to have the right product, promote it with utilizing our CRM wisely to give you an offer compelling to you but does not give our great brands and product away cheaply or dilutive, and it's working.
Jenna Giannelli
analystThat's great to hear. That's an accomplishment. That is an accomplishment. That's great. So -- and I mean, as we think about margin drivers, one thing that I wanted to touch on. You mentioned competition before and some of the perhaps weakened competition particularly in the kids area. Can you just elaborate a little bit more on the competitive environment that you're seeing? You've had such tremendous growth or impressive top line growth over a steady period of time. I guess a couple of things. One, what do you feel like has most differentiated you versus peers? And then secondly, in terms of the current competitive and promotional environment, how sustainable is it this mild environment that we're seeing? And how are you thinking about it going into 2022?
Mark Worden
executiveOn the first part, it would be our differentiators as we operate with the customer-first mindset, whether it's store or us here at the headquarters, it drives everything. We provide a distinct shopping experience that truly gets people to move beyond the couch to want to come into our stores for that fun moment of joy with their family or friends to go shoe shopping. And it is that family focused, that broad assortment we provide, so everybody can come in and experience it, truly delights it. In our opinion, we have the most branded family footwear provider in the industry. And I think last, we truly have a team with the best merchants, the most talented operators and the most innovative marketers in the industry. So I'd say it's that robust suite of differentiators that served us well for 43 years that has us on pace for our best year yet. In terms of promotions, your second part of your question, the landscape is highly competitive. It hasn't changed in family footwear. There are deeply discounted shoe products available online and from our competitive set now, and we anticipate that continuing despite COVID. But we came out of the pandemic with that core insight that we can provide value without being cheap. And so instead of what we did in the last decade of One Size Fits All, promotions like Buy One Pair, Get one Half-off, that worked last decade to get traffic in, but it took margins down significantly. And so by getting rid of those and testing and learning what the response was through this year, we've gained confidence that we can continue to accelerate profits, acquire new customers, translate them into loyal valuable shoppers and continue to win market share. I think it's important to note promotion will be a key lever in our marketing toolkit now and ongoing. It's just that we're going to do promotion in a way that hopefully is hundreds of basis points more profitable as opposed to doing less sophisticated, less personalized things in the past.
Jenna Giannelli
analystSo with profitability and operating margins kind of near these all-time strength and a clear line of sight towards maintaining that or even growing upon that. You're in a very healthy position, right? So how do you think about priorities for cash. How do you prioritize it? Whether it's business investment, historically, you have been engaged or committed to returning capital to shareholders. So how do you balance those, whether it's dividends or repurchases the level of those? And how are you thinking about them going forward?
W. Jackson
executiveJenna, our priorities of cash really haven't changed for a while. We always fund growth first. So whether it'd be growth for net new store growth, whether it be modernizing our stores for a great customer experience, whether it be the investments we did in CRM several years ago. We've invested heavily in our supply chain last year. We're investing in tools for our buyers this year in planning and assortment. So we're always utilizing money first for growth. Secondly, we'll fund our dividend. We think it's a sustainable enhancement to our shareholders to offer a dividend. And we -- earlier this year, we increased that dividend by over 50% to reflect our strong cash flow that we have and the confidence that it's going to continue. And then thirdly, with excess cash, we'll use that to buy back shares. When we feel like the stock is underappreciated in the marketplace, we'll step in there and buy shares back, and we've had a history of doing that. So we think that we create value to our shareholders by those 3 things: growth first, dividends and share repurchases.
Jenna Giannelli
analystSo that might be the answer to my next question, but as a debt analyst, I do you have to -- I have to ask. So your debt-free business right now, capital structure. Is that the right model long term? Could there be bigger projects or growth opportunities that would be funded -- will need to be funded outside of the business investment, dividend, et cetera, whether it's more accelerated store growth or acquisitions, could there briefly be a need for that type of financing to fund more meaningful growth in the future?
W. Jackson
executiveWell, the great thing about our concept is it's a great cash generator. We've been able to prove this year-over-year. With our outlook of growth that we have right now that we've discussed today, we can easily fund that through our own cash flow, our cash on hand. Outside of an unusual investment, just like you mentioned, like an M&A transaction, aside for something unusual like this, I don't see that we need to go to outside funding to fund our growth. We can do that with our own cash and our own cash flow.
Jenna Giannelli
analystGreat. That's a great position to be in. I see we're just at 4:00. I don't know if there's anything that maybe we missed or any closing comments from either Mark or Kerry that you'd like to share? It was great having both here with us today.
Mark Worden
executiveYes, Jenna, thank you for being a wonderful moderator and again, hosting Shoe Carnival today. We are thrilled with our profit transformation and that customers are resoundingly returning to some semblance of normalcy, this back-to-school season, and we're on pace to have the strongest selling season, the strongest profit year, and we're really confident in the future. So thank you so much for having us today.
Jenna Giannelli
analystExcellent. Our pleasure. Thank you both for joining. Appreciate it.
W. Jackson
executiveThank you, Jenna.
Jenna Giannelli
analystTake care.
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