Siemens Aktiengesellschaft (SIE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 1, 2020

Deutsche Boerse Xetra DE Industrials Industrial Conglomerates investor_day 348 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Sabine Reichel

executive
#1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Siemens Energy Capital Market Day. My name is Sabine Reichel, Head of Investor Relations at Siemens AG. Later, I will be joined by Michael Hagmann, who's Head of Investor Relations at Siemens Energy. Now let's have a look at the agenda of the day. First of all, we will kick off with the Siemens perspective. We will have Roland Busch and Ralf Thomas who will give their view, followed by a short Q&A. The focus of the day will be Siemens Energy. Christian Bruch and Maria Ferraro will present the key investment and financial highlights. Jochen Eickholt and Tim Holt will give you an overview about service, operational excellence and the 3 divisions. And finally, we also have Andreas Nauen with us, CEO of Siemens Gamesa. He will give the highlights of last week's Capital Market Day. We plan to close around 6:30. And before we kick off, also a few technical remarks. This event is webcast on the Siemens Investor Relations website, and there will be also a replay available. And please also have a look at the safe harbor statement and disclosure on Page 2 and 3 of each presentation. And with that, we now will start. Please, Roland, Ralf, come on stage.

Roland Busch

executive
#2

Thank you, Sabine. Welcome. On behalf of Siemens, I would like to welcome you to the Siemens Energy Capital Market Day. And I'm very happy that we have this important milestone. Remember, the whole process started in May 2019 when we announced that we want to spin our Siemens Energy business. At that time, it was a 17-month lead time, it was considered to be very, very ambitious. And at that time, we even didn't know that COVID was around the corner. So with an enormous effort of the teams from Siemens and Siemens Energy, we finally made it, and we are heading now for the spin-off in September 28. Today, we have a goal of giving you a better understanding of the investment case prior to the spin-off. I would like to give you an overarching perspective from Siemens perspective, also where we are regarding Vision 2020+. Ralf will talk about the highlights of the future relationship between Siemens AG and Siemens Energy. And then, of course, the majority of the day is dedicated to Christian and his team to really explain about Siemens Energy strategy and the investment case of Siemens Energy. What we want to achieve with our second and final step of spinning Siemens Energy is creating an ecosystem of Siemens companies, publicly listed companies, each of them focusing on their respective markets. Each of the markets is in a major transformation which requires companies which are agile, geared for the further market clearly focused. And this is what the 3 companies have in common. They are focusing on their markets, on their technologies which they have to serve with -- for our customers. Secondly, it's about innovation. It's about technology, innovation and speed. And in particular, in transforming the business in the digital way, because each of the markets is in the midst of a digital transformation too. And last but not least, it's about adaptability and agility, because we saw -- and corona was another point where we saw the future is not really predictable. We need agile empowered teams who can really shape their market as they are changing. And Siemens Healthineers was one of -- a very good example where we showed that we can create value with this strategy. Since its spin-off and an IPO -- since its IPO in 2018, the share price increased by 40%. And the recent announcement of the transformational acquisition of Varian would not have been possible or maybe much, much more difficult without access to the capital market and share -- having shares as currencies. Siemens Energy will continue that success. You have a company which is not only focused on the market, but has a clear opportunity to really use their capital and allocate it to their business as they need it, with an entrepreneurial freedom to serve their customers in the best way. And with Siemens, we have, of course, a leader in the digital transformation of industry, infrastructure and mobility. We are ready to connect the digital and the real-world for the benefits of our customers, and we are continuously investing in the digital transformation of our businesses. There are also some collaboration areas for these 3 companies. It's not only about a strong brand, but also the technologies which we are currently working on. Is it cybersecurity, is it the industrial Internet of Things, our platform, our ecosystems, but also functions like purchasing or IT, where we are still benefiting from the joint approach and collaboration between the 3 companies. Regarding Vision 2020+, we are fully on track. We do what we say. We are, again, talking about the Energy spin-off the whole day. Flanders spin-off is around the corner, and we have initiated all the steps in order to do that. The approval will be in the AGM 2021. Our cost improvement program is ongoing. We accelerated or even improved it. And we are leveraging also COVID-19 as opportunities, not only as a challenge. And we have shown that already in our latest quarterly numbers, that we are having a rather resilient business and we have a very, very good delivery in difficult times. We promised that we want to increase our revenue by 2% points, the revenue growth by an incremental improvement, our EBITDA profitability by 2% points, and earnings per share which is larger than the revenue growth. We are keeping on these promises, and we are committed to deliver on those. How do we do that? On the growth side, we explained it to you in that our last quarterly presentations, we are developing our business mix towards growth markets. Is it on the Eye, thinking about Food and Beverage; is it growth markets, in batteries and the like. We are continuously investing in our digitalization and along all our businesses. We're using opportunities also in terms of decarbonization and de-dieselization of energy, mainly for SI, gearing our business also for other growth areas like Asia, for example, or, again, the decentralized energy market. In the mobility, we are continuing our success story, having a very, very stringent execution, on the one side, but also improving and continuing to improve our market share, with a very, very dedicated team delivering on their commitments. On the bottom line, we are having a cost program, which we started early enough. We are executing it. As I said, we're accelerating and improving it even. We do that not only in the businesses, but also in corporate cost. The operational excellence and the stringent execution in projects is one of the major targets of our management team. And last but not least, we are very selective how we are allocating our capital in order to finally have a cash conversion rate which is one minus the growth rate. The 2 companies going forward, Siemens AG and Siemens Energy, they have a mutual benefit with the spin-off. We have similar levers, as you can see, on both sides, from focus, accountability, adaptability, transformation and value creation. But the major point is that we have at Siemens Energy, which is focusing on growth markets, and we are leveraging our digitalization. We are gearing more for customer orientation. And we are looking very, very careful the way how we are allocating our capital. At the same time, Siemens Energy has a tremendous opportunity now to use their own cash flow for R&D, for acquisitions and the like. It is a company with a portfolio which is best suited for the energy transformation, which is going on and is even accelerated, as we can see. And with the portfolio from power generation, transmission distribution to the consumption, we have a lot to offer in our Siemens Energy portfolio, and it's uniquely placed to deliver according to our customer expectations. So this is a clear path going forward in order to deliver value, but also increasing the profitability for both companies, and at the same time, deliver on cash flow. As we have shared with you already, we will have 35.1% shares hold by Siemens; 99.9% -- 9.9% on the pension trust, but this is not a strategic holding. And we also announced that within the next 12 to 18 months, we are further diluting our stake in Siemens Energy, with an approach to minimize the market impact. With that, I do believe that Siemens Energy has all its ingredients to be successful in the market. And with that, I would like to hand over to Ralf to talk about how the relationship between Siemens and Siemens Energy looks like going forward.

Ralf Thomas

executive
#3

Thank you, Roland, and welcome, ladies and gentlemen, also from my side. Actually, everything has been said already. Siemens Energy is a company that has a comprehensive and outstanding portfolio of businesses, close to their customers, highly innovative, and with a great and experienced leadership team. That's one of the reasons why we said from the very beginning that we believe that this business is supposed to be independent, and to be crystal clear, that we mean what we say and act accordingly. We have been putting a deconsolidation agreement in place that doesn't leave any doubt that there will not be any interference in important decision-making processes, even though Siemens AG is going to be an anchor investor for quite some time. Having said that, let's remember, last year, same place, different setting, we had the Capital Market Day of Siemens AG in May. And we said we would provide a solid foundation on the financial side for Siemens Energy to be. And we have been walking our talk. With a BBB stable outlook rating of Standard & Poor's, we have been absolutely walking along these lines, providing Siemens Energy with a very solid financial basis, 36% equity ratio, EUR 1.9 billion liquidity as per June 30, and access to a credit facility of additional EUR 3 billion on Siemens Energy level, plus additional EUR 2.8 billion on Siemens Gamesa Renewable Energy level. I think that deserves the name, sound and solid. But on top of the financial foundation, it's also important to have clear and crisp and experienced governance in place. That's according to the German 2-chamber system, we -- that's the reason why we have been putting together a really diverse, not only in gender and passport, but also in experience, a very diverse team of Supervisory Board members, that is going to make sure that the transition and governance of Siemens Energy is going to be professional and experience from day 1 onwards. I think I don't need to mention that Joe Kaeser is definitely one of the most experienced managers when it comes to dealing with governmental business, large-scale energy project. I think he has been walking his talk many times. And I hope that I will be able to contribute with my financial experience leading the Audit Committee, if I'm elected into that position. But I would like to stress that, also with Matthias Rebellius, we have one of the leading opinion people in the area of decentralized energy. So with that set of 3 Siemens AG employees, we have been putting the best possible resources to strengthen governance from day 1 onwards. So what we also said from the very beginning, we want this company to be successful and also have a smooth transition. That's why we have been putting a couple of features in place that allows for that smooth transitioning. And one of them being, of course, the strong trademark that Siemens has, being encapsulated in a trademark license agreement, with an initial tenor of 10 years, allowing to benefit both Siemens AG and Siemens Energy from the long-standing history of proud and close customer relationships between Siemens and its customer base. We also will continue to support Siemens Energy with a preferred financing agreement. You do know that Siemens Financial Services has been tailor-making solutions for large-scale project businesses for years, and we will continue doing so. There is an initial EUR 1.5 billion of equity financing agreed upon and committed by Siemens Financial services throughout the first 5 years, with an additional EUR 500 million for the next 5-year period. All that will be done at arm's length as it used to be, because, remember, this has been a regulated industry that didn't allow for anything else than arm's length anyhow in the past. The third element of service agreements is quite comprehensive in the beginning, making sure that all the support processes needed to run operations smoothly and still allowing Siemens Energy management to focus on core activities will be captured in service level agreements, mainly supporting in the area of accounting, payroll, IT services and the like, making sure that the transition process is as smooth and anticipated as possible. The last element I would like to mention is the guarantees. We talked about them quite frequently. It's the nature of the business models that requires guarantees from the customers for large scale projects. And that has been provided in the past by Siemens AG. The status was EUR 42 billion as per June 30. This will unwind over the course of the next couple of years. Roughly 50% of that will be withdrawn and executed accordingly in projects throughout the next 5 years to continue thereafter. And there is a group of banks taking care of the guarantee needs of Siemens Energy in the future. Let me conclude with a short view into the rearview mirror where we started out last year. In May, when we said we would be able to carve out this comprehensive set of businesses on a global basis by March 31, some of you may have been having doubts or even concerns that this would be doable. And the teams have been executed exactly according to plan, have been completing all these decisive steps you see here with the tick marks, not only in time, but also on budget and even a bit better. So therefore, this is giving me an opportunity to say thank you to all those helping hands at Siemens and our supporters, making that happen what appeared to be impossible. Only a great team can accomplish that. And first and foremost, I think it's also a clear indication of the strength of the leadership team of Siemens Energy. The next steps after a comprehensive Capital Market Day today will be that the prospectus will be disclosed in a couple of days, providing even more information than you may see and hear today. Thereafter, Maria and Christian are going to be on road show. And just in case, if you haven't been addressing your needs in that regard yet, please contact Michael Hagmann, Head of Investor Relations of Siemens Energy, and make sure that you get in contact with the management team. And then finally, on 28th of September, Monday, 9:00, we will listen to the bell ringing at the Frankfurt Stock Exchange. Looking forward to that and a great team in Siemens Energy that is going to make a difference in the market, be it on innovation, be it in technology and for their customer base. With that, I'll hand it back to Sabine.

Sabine Reichel

executive
#4

Thank you, Ralf. Thank you, Roland. Before we go now ahead with Siemens Energy, we will have a short Q&A. So you will have the opportunity now to ask questions, just to Roland and Ralf. So nothing Energy related. It's the Siemens perspective that we will focus on now, and the rest will come later. [Operator Instructions] Okay. Andreas Willi, JPMorgan. You are winning the first prize. Oh, we cannot hear you, Andreas.

Ralf Thomas

executive
#5

Andreas, maybe you're still muted.

Sabine Reichel

executive
#6

I can see you, but please -- I think the microphone is -- maybe...

Ralf Thomas

executive
#7

Maybe you give it another try.

Sabine Reichel

executive
#8

Yes, or maybe we -- I have another -- Andreas, are you there? Otherwise, we will try again later after the first question. Okay. So maybe we now go with Gael de-Bray, and then we try again, Andreas. Gael. We can see you. Hopefully, we can hear you.

Gael de-Bray

analyst
#9

Can you hear me?

Sabine Reichel

executive
#10

Yes. We can hear you.

Gael de-Bray

analyst
#11

I think you've just talked about the Siemens AG's willingness to create an ecosystem of listed companies with Healthineers a couple of years ago, now Energy in less than a month's time. Is there any intention at Siemens AG level to continue on that path and to make some of the current Siemens AG businesses more independent going forward?

Ralf Thomas

executive
#12

As we have shared with you in our last quarterly result presentations that we feel that Siemens, as it is now, with industry infrastructure, mobility, we are well suited to really -- and well positioned to serve the markets, with a strong technology backbone where we can really leverage different technologies in different markets, clear focused. And we have also proven that we are able to run this business in a market leadership position. So we feel that this is a very integrated and strong company which we'll develop this way going forward.

Sabine Reichel

executive
#13

Thank you. So then let's take the next question. I have not seen Andreas yet back, but then we will take Martin Wilkie now. Please, Martin.

Martin Wilkie

analyst
#14

It's Martin from Citi. Can you hear me okay?

Sabine Reichel

executive
#15

Yes, we can hear you. All good.

Martin Wilkie

analyst
#16

So just a quick question, following the recent acquisition at Healthineers, it seems Energy wanted to make a large acquisition in the future. Obviously, a lot of technology change coming in the energy sector. Do you see the listing of Siemens Energy as providing a similar currency that Siemens would want to be involved or not? Just to get some sort of sense as to how you might think about Siemens Energy expanding and growing through acquisitions in the future.

Ralf Thomas

executive
#17

Well, very interesting question, Mark (sic) [ Martin ]. Of course, we thought about that. And the clear answer for this is, I believe, and we believe that Siemens Energy has quite a lot on its plate at the moment. So it's rather theoretical discussion that we would have. Just in case there would be a great opportunity arising in a few years down the road, and the company, being in a steady state, so to speak, we can imagine everything. But as Roland has been pointing out before, it's obvious that we are committed to sell down our 35.1% stake from a Siemens AG perspective in Siemens Energy anyhow on the way to get there through the next 18 months if market conditions allow, and therefore, this is more of theoretical nature. But as pointed out at several stages, and I would like to reiterate that statement because it's so important, this is going to be an independent company. So it will not be Siemens AG making decisions on their behalf or for them. They will find their way to be successful in the market. And they got all the ingredients, including a very strong balance sheet, with all the room to maneuver if need be. And they are also very well positioned in terms of the market positioning in a very competitive environment. So therefore, I'm sure they will find their way, and they will not need Siemens AG's advice on whether or not making acquisition at the right point in time.

Sabine Reichel

executive
#18

Thank you. So we have time for 1 or 2 more. I can see one via phone. I think that's Daniela Costa from Goldman Sachs. Daniela?

Daniela Costa

analyst
#19

Can you hear me well?

Sabine Reichel

executive
#20

Yes. Hello, Daniela.

Daniela Costa

analyst
#21

I wanted to ask a question regarding sort of, going forward post spin, I think you've been clear about how you think about the portfolio in terms of simplification. But what would be -- what would you say sort of your next priorities are in terms of how would you rank giving cash back to shareholders and thinking about the dividend and the buyback post the spin versus maybe reinvesting more into the organic business of what's left in Siemens in terms of M&A?

Ralf Thomas

executive
#22

Thank you, Daniela, for that question. Very important, obviously. Capital allocation is always on top of our mind, as you do know. For the time being, I think we are clearly set for the next couple of months. We said that we are going to keep our strong commitment to deliver shareholder value. We do see huge potential, as discussed, to get into a re-rating process now over the course of time. And we also will make sure, with the next steps that we announced already, with the Flanders spin, that we will continue delivering value to our shareholders. We are committed to our dividend policy, and we will also continue our share buyback adequately and also reflecting market conditions, of course.

Sabine Reichel

executive
#23

Thank you. And now the last question, and I can see Andreas Willi is now back again. So Andreas. Hopefully, now technique works.

Andreas Willi

analyst
#24

Yes. Does it work this time?

Sabine Reichel

executive
#25

Yes. We see you. We hear you.

Andreas Willi

analyst
#26

Sorry for the earlier problems. I wanted to ask you about the guarantees and the ramp down where you've given some more information now for the EUR 42 billion. You said it's -- half of it's going in 5 years, if I remember correctly. What does it mean for your willingness to go below 25% in Energy in terms of the connection of the speed of that ramp down? And maybe a little bit more disclosure, what is there to Gamesa in terms of -- is the long tail mostly at Gamesa or is that also service contracts on the gas power side?

Ralf Thomas

executive
#27

Yes. Thank you, Andreas, for that question. Very important and close to my heart, obviously. First of all, the ramp down will be driven by the execution of the underlying projects, obviously. That's why I gave you the whole 50% over the course of the next 5 years. Of course, once having reached that status and then unwinding the residual amount, we talked about a couple of really long time projects with service projects, both on the Siemens Gamesa and the Siemens Energy's former Gas and Power side. So of course, this does have impact on that what you call willingness to step down below the 25% shareholding. Maybe we take that bridge when we come to it. But our commitment is to a company, now that transition process of Siemens Energy becoming a truly independent, separately listed company, and we want to make sure, including the guaranteed topic, that they have the freedom to maneuver and don't need to worry about support processes. That's why we have the service level agreements. Continue tapping on the strength of Siemens Financial services being jointly at the customer place, having tailor-made solutions in place, and also benefiting from the strong brand. So therefore, the combination of all these factors should enable and will enable Siemens Energy to transition smoothly into a steady state, which I do expect then to develop over the course of time. We will sell down our 35% shareholding. And we will also find the right point in time to then also share with you the details in the long tail, as you call it, of the guarantee stock that is in place. We will be transparent on that anyhow, and we'll keep you informed on how that develops. But that rule of thumb, 50% over the course of the next 5 years, I think that's an indication that we wanted to share with you because it's a material amount. On the one hand side, we have been bringing in a group of banks, as mentioned before, to cater for future needs. So the process of getting also truly independent from that end is on its way, and we'll be very transparent for you to follow-up.

Sabine Reichel

executive
#28

Thank you, Roland. Thank you, Ralf. With that, we will now finish the Siemens perspective. So you can leave the stage now.

Ralf Thomas

executive
#29

Thank you, everyone.

Sabine Reichel

executive
#30

And we have now as next, Michael Hagmann on stage, Head of Investor Relations at Siemens Energy. And he will walk you now through the day. Goodbye.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#31

Thank you very much, Sabine. And also a very, very warm welcome from my side in the name of Siemens Energy. My name, as Sabine has said, is Michael Hagmann. And I joined about 6 months ago as Head of Investor Relations. One thing I can assure you is there's an awful lot of enthusiasm in this organization towards that spin-off, and I hope you will see that also in the presentations. So the first person to present will be our CEO, Christian Bruch. And Christian, please come on to stage. And over to you. Thank you.

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#32

Thank you very much, Michael. And welcome also from my side to a historic day, ladies and gentlemen. It's the first Capital Markets Day of Siemens Energy, a company with a unique portfolio of fantastic people and a growing market. My name is Christian Bruch. I'm the CEO of Siemens Energy. And it will be my pleasure today to walk you through more details of our company, what we are putting here together, that you, as our, hopefully, future investors, understand what is this company about. Before I start in the overall explanation of the company, I really would like to put the main points in a nutshell and really explain to you the key elements why we believe we are a very interesting investment case and the 6 levers really to deliver shareholder value. First of all, with 150 years of experience and energy technologies from the Siemens side, we're putting together today a leader in the energy industry. And the spin-off allows us to drive operational performance really with a step change, more focus on operational performance. And really, there's no cushion on reality, and this is something which will help us also going forward. We are starting, today, of a leading portfolio in the industry. We are #1 or #2 in most of the markets we're active in. And you're going to see it throughout the presentation about our portfolio, what we want to monetize on and what we have today. The Service business is the strong core value driver of our company. 40% of our revenue stream is Service, resilient, long-term profitable. And we will explain to you in more detail what Service business is about and how we intend to drive it going forward. On this strong base, we obviously want to develop the future portfolio of Siemens Energy, with a focus on service and sustainability. And at the end, it's about monetizing on a strong base what we have and investing money into the development of the future energy world and into the energy transition, to, at the end, deliver more EBIT and more cash to our shareholders. I'm extremely pleased, really, to lead this management team, which, together with all its employees at Siemens Energy, want to take the company to the next level. And allow me briefly to introduce to you my management team with -- which is really helping to take the company to the next level. Let me start on the right-hand side, with Tim Holt, who has been a long time with Siemens in the Energy business. Big experience in conventional energy as well as renewable energies, has been working with digital transformation, broad expertise in service business. Tim will talk about the Service business as well as the Transmission business today and explain us on how we drive growth and value from that. Jochen Eickholt has, in the past years, led the Mobility business of Siemens and really restructured the business and drove profitability 350 basis points over the past 5 years, by rigorous implementation of operational performance measures. And Jochen will walk us today through our operational excellence program. And also, we'll talk a little bit about our divisions, industrial applications and generation. Maria Ferraro did join us from Digital Industries from Siemens. And close to her heart is EBIT and cash focus. And she will talk to you in much more detail today about the financial numbers of Siemens Energy that it's better for you to understand how the company is structured, how does the performance look like, and how are the measures with what we drive EBIT and cash. A couple of words to myself. I joined Siemens Energy in May from Linde, where I have been responsible over the past 6 years for the Global Engineering business as well as for the technology of the group and also the digitalization transformation of the company. The Engineering business at Linde is, from a structure, even so a lot smaller, but very similar to Siemens Energy business. It is about products, solutions and services to an industry, which is obviously very much around generation and process industries. With measures in terms of driving operational performance, not rocket science; simple things: project selectivity, focus on non-conformity costs, really driving the cost base, we were able in the past years to drive up the EBITA margin of that business by 700 basis points over the past 5 years. A lot of these measures I see today also in Siemens Energy, and as I said, Jochen will walk us through this operational excellence program. Some of these elements have been started already last year, but we want to obviously accelerate a lot of these measures to drive forward also the operational performance. In the next 6 hours, me and my team, we want to walk you through the who we are, in which markets we compete, and how do we want to take, as a team, the company to the next level, to make understood that we are the right investment in this market. I'm also very pleased that we will have Andreas now today with us, which also -- who will also share with us the view on the wind market, which will be a core element also in our strategy going forward. Before I go into this and talk more about the company, let me address a couple of points and put it in perspective, why it is so important, why do we need a company like Siemens Energy? And we're looking today in a world where, obviously, energy and electricity systems mission-critical to the world. But we have continuously changing boundary conditions: climate change, population growth, digitalization. So these are all elements which not only make the market growing, but also transform the market continuously. And this market will continuously, over the next decades, need new solution, new technologies, new business models. And obviously, if you look on this, overall, on the market, we are looking in a growing electricity market. And roughly, we assume over the next 20 years, it's around 50% increase in global electricity production. At the same time, obviously, all these different trends like population growth, more access to electricity, new applications like e-mobility or data centers, going to go all push, obviously, for this electricity increase. And at the same time, obviously, we have the one question to resolve as a society. How can we meet this growing demand of electricity and at the same time protecting our climate? And this is where Siemens Energy comes into play. This is where we want to deliver, with our customers, answers, how can we get from, today, from a very diverse energy world, into a future, more sustainable energy world, in the tomorrow. And obviously, all our people are motivated by the fact that we energize society. We want to accompany our customers in the transition to a future energy market. What are the right solutions to really tackle the challenge of growing electricity demand and more sustainability? How can we balance reliability, affordability and sustainability of supply? And very often, and you will see it throughout the presentation, it is a lot also about talking interim solutions sometimes. It is about the better conventional solution sometimes. It is about finding the right step after step after step to transition to a more sustainable energy world. And this is why we bring different capabilities together, which make us the speaking partner of our customers in this market. I've spoken a lot to customers, really, over the past couple of months, and I always see this high interest and willingness to talk to a company which has broad expertise and a lot of knowledge in the energy world, and this is what we want to be. And this is why I'm super proud that we put together today a world leader in the energy industry. 1/6 of global electricity production today is based on our technologies. And we are a world leader which is close to its customers. We are present in 90 countries of the world. And we are a world leader which is -- already has embarked on a journey to a decarbonized portfolio. 30% of our revenue today is based on wind with Siemens Gamesa. Around 20% is on transmission. And these 2 things, obviously, also in a future decarbonized world, going to present the backbone of an energy industry. And there's also obviously a lot of conventional technologies. And we want to talk to you about so what is this exactly about and why it is so important to have these products and solutions available in a market which is transforming. So we are putting together a leading pure-play energy technology company, which cuts across really from generation of electricity to transmission of electricity, over to storage or green hydrogen production, which captures really the whole width of technology portfolio, from conventional to renewables, and provides products, solutions and services in this regard to the market. Siemens Energy going to report the numbers in 2 reporting segments. And you as investors obviously going to see this reporting in the quarterly results, which is GP and SGRE. GP, as an overarching segment comprises roughly 2/3 of the revenue stream and Siemens Gamesa roughly 1/3 of the revenue stream. And with this setup we are having in the company, we are a mirror of today's energy markets, really from conventional technologies down to renewable technologies. And you see below the segments the divisions. And let me briefly go through the divisions, and you will get, today, much more detailed and dedicated presentations on how the business works in these different divisions, how do we look on it, what is the homework we have to do, and what do we want to tackle. Let me start with generation, which comprises everything which is around central and distributed power generation in the markets, so gas turbines, steam turbines, generators, full power plants. This is what we're doing. Good 50% of that business is Service business. Industrial applications, we used to call that oil and gas. So why did we rename that business? There's so much more in this business than just oil and gas. This is a business about improving process industry. This is a business in terms of really bringing electrification, automation and digitalization to rotating equipment and process industries. So they are serving all type of industries like oil and gas, but also like chemicals, like steel, fiber, any type of process and industry. And this is something we want to build on. With the transformation of this market, we obviously want to bring more solutions around electrification, automation and digitalization of rotating equipment to our customers. Roughly 60% of this business is service. And this is something also what, in the separate presentation around industrial application, we will explain that -- how we want to deliver on this and really drive this forward. The Transmission business covers everything around the transport of electricity. And as I said before, with the increasing transformation of the market, it is really something where we will see also more needs for transmission. We will see more needs, really, for infrastructure. And this is, obviously, for us, a strong business, which also has been proven to be very resilient in corona times. And this is something, going forward, where we will continue to push. New Energy comprises all activities really around new technologies, what's going to come in the future, with particular focus on green hydrogen. It's a very -- let's say, strong discussion at the moment. Siemens Energy is -- since decades in electrolyzers, electrochemistry, and obviously, also green hydrogen. Actually, I have been, during my Linde times, been operator of the largest pem electrolyzer, which produces green hydrogen. And this is also what we want to push for and where we want to invest in. I'm a strong believer in hydrogen as one core element in the future energy world. But let me be crystal clear, this is something where we invest, today, money. This is not an area where we can earn money today. This is a future bucket of cash, which is important to develop at the same time while we drive profitability in other areas. But this is something which only will provide cash in the midterm. Even so, it's important, obviously, for us as the energy technology company to be present in this field. And obviously, we have Siemens Gamesa, with onshore, offshore and service. And Andreas will talk in much more detail about Siemens Gamesa. Onshore, you have seen throughout the year, had a disappointing performance, with Andreas and his team are now tackling and resolving, and Andreas will explain on how they do this. Offshore and service develops extremely nicely. Record order intake in offshore, very strong, growing market, and this is something, obviously, what we want to leverage on. So looking across this portfolio, that is a way on how to drive a sustainable, reliable and affordable energy systems with our customers. And this is what we want to do with this company. Coming from a portfolio today, and as I said, we have the #1 or #2 market position in most of our markets. But also, looking on the portfolio, there's a lot of elements where we already address future, more sustainable solutions. These are exactly the interim solutions I always talk about when it's about a transition into a new energy world. And it's not just about a wind turbine or electrolyzer. It's really across all divisions. Let it be from a net 0 hybrid power plant, which actually combines battery units together with generation technology over to a gas turbine, which takes hydrogen to make sure that you gradually can move from a natural gas unit to a decarbonized unit down to SF 6 free transmission units, with SF 6 being obviously also a hazardous greenhouse gas and where we really change also, in the transmission area and the transformer world, the way on how to design products. That is the way we want to go forward, really, in terms of making sure that, step after step, we can achieve a more sustainable energy portfolio, and with this, a more sustainable energy world for our customers. It's not just about the products. And I'm always impressed, over the past months, when I see what type of projects this organization can deliver in terms of executing on projects. We energize societies and we energize countries. And there's a couple of examples I want to give here with Egypt, Iraq and Bolivia, really where there's a whole offering in place from generation over to transmission and really bringing electricity and energy to the people. And it's about the solution competence which is unique, and there are very few companies who can do this. And let me pick the example around Egypt. And this has been a project which has been communicated before, a EUR 3.7 billion contract when we did the whole project, executed in record time. It converted Egypt from an electricity importer to an electricity exporter. And at the same time, these are the projects where we, as Siemens Energy, build trust with our customer. So as a consequence we got, after the execution of the project, a 10-year service contract, which we are now executing, which provides a lot of value for us also as a company based on the trust the customer has earned through the execution. Let me be also very clear. If you do these type of projects, it's about also selectivity. It's about the right risk-reward balance in this solutions business to understand, does it really provides profit to the bottom line? And this is something what we will drive very rigorously and very selective to pick the right projects where we can earn money. And this is, also from my previous experience, one of the biggest levers we can pull really to improve the profitability of the company. This will take some time, no question, but this is an important element to look on EBIT first and then on top line. And this is an important element we obviously look on the selection of the project. But these are the type of projects which build trust of customers. And these are the type of projects which very few companies in the world can actually successfully execute. Once we have installed the units, we come to our market-leading Service business, and making sure that we obviously serve, really, for the whole operation time, the customers. And it's massive. It's huge. The backlog is nearly EUR 50 billion in this Service business. I was impressed, when I joined the company, to see how big it is, how present it is really across all regions and all markets. And it's obviously very resilient and very nice. And you see, in industrial applications, roughly 60% of the business is Service. In generation, more than 50% is service. And there is room for improvement, more business to come in transmission and SGRE. But this is a very nice business to have based on a massively installed fleet, 90,000 units globally in GP serviceable assets in the market, more than 100 gigawatt installed power at Siemens Gamesa. And this is obviously one -- what we want to leverage going forward. And this is also one of the benefits having multiple divisions in the company. We have a very strong and big experience in Service, in generation and industrial applications. And a lot of the things we're doing in generation and industrial applications, we can leverage also to the other divisions. If you service, remotely, a certain unit; if you interface with the customer, how do you manage operational data? That is actually very consistent across the different divisions. So there's a lot of synergies by bringing these elements together and drive, jointly, service to really understand how can we best service our customer, how can we interface with our customer and drive this forward. As I said before, we are coming from a strong market position today. #1 or #2 in most of the markets we are active in. And this is obviously also what brings a lot of the trust from our customers. I've been talking a lot to customers in the Americas, in Asia, Europe, Middle East, over the past months since I'm with the company. And I'm impressed by the high interest of the customers really to talk to us and really to think about future solutions and what can we do to help their problems really on how to make their systems more efficient, on how to decarbonize and what is really the way forward. So this is a unique capability, what we have; this is a unique trust, what we have; and this is something, obviously, what we want to monetize on also going forward in interaction with our customers. Let me talk a little bit more about the business in detail. And this is a very important slide because it breaks down the different businesses into the revenue streams based on 2019. We are bringing, on the 28th of September, a EUR 29 billion energy technology company to the market. And you see the different businesses: 65% GP; 35% SGRE, as I said before. And since this is so important, let me walk through the different businesses step after step. First of all, let me start with generation, roughly 30% of our revenue. Around 10% is central generation business, so large steam turbines, large gas turbines; 4% is distributed generation, so smaller gas turbines, particular generators; and more than 50% of the business is service. There is no question we have homework to be done in that business and in this division. And this is already addressed. There are certain programs have been also communicated in 2019. We're executing these programs. We're intending to accelerate some of the programs. And it's about reducing the cost structures. It's about selectivity of projects, as I said before, reducing nonconformity cost. And this are these elements, which Jochen Eickholt is going to explain a little bit more in detail later today. At the same time, it's about harvesting the opportunity which we believe lies into distributed generation and also pushing for more profitable service in this area. Industrial applications, which represents roughly 17% of our revenue, looks, in terms of the challenges very, very similar. It's also about, on the one hand, improving cost basis, and on the other hand, making sure that we can capture this huge value we have from our existing fleet and drive the Service business going forward. Transmission represents 20% of our revenue stream and has been a business, even during corona times, which is -- has been proven as very resilient. Also leveraging our strong position which we do have on the HVDC projects. And obviously, benefiting also from the infrastructure changes we do see due to the energy transformation. And this will be very much also in terms of developing new innovative products, what can we do more about grid stability, what can we do about, let's say, service and digital-based solutions for the transmission world. And this is something what, obviously, also Tim, in his presentation about transmission, going to talk more about later today. Siemens Gamesa, as I said, actually very simple, fix onshore, drive offshore, drive service. And this is what Andreas and his team is rigorously tackling now. Andreas has been presenting to their Capital Market Day, but he will give us a summary of the main views as of today. All in all, in this combination, this is a very resilient business. This is a business which had a book-to-bill ratio for all its business in 2019 above 1. And this is also a business where we expect also, overarchingly, over the whole company, we expect to be also with a book-to-bill ratio above 1 even in 2020 with corona. So it is a resilience we do have in this business which is impressive and which we obviously want to leverage on. At the end, if I put it in one sentence, Siemens Energy, and I can only repeat myself what I said at the beginning, is about monetizing on what we have and investing money in the future portfolio, with a focus on service and sustainability. So how does this engine work? And how does it all connect, these different elements, products, solution services, to a highly resilient value-generating machine? We are a product-led service business. Products and solutions are done really to drive the service business. So we sell a new unit, and we sell a long-term service agreement with it through the maintenance and repair, go through the phase of modernizing and upgrading this, and enter the circle again once the unit is replaced. And you see, obviously, there from the large gas turbines conversion rate, roughly 100% from the large gas turbine are converted really to long-term service agreements. Around [ 60% to 70% ] of the smaller turbines are converted to service contracts. This is long-term durations. You see it for the generation business, where it was 12 years, 80% retention rate of customers. You see it for the wind business, in the average, around 9 years. And this is obviously what makes this business so resilient and so nice, actually, as a business to have. And this is why we want to grow it and really drives the circle over and over and over again. And Tim walks you through, later today, also the mechanisms, what you can do around the cycle also to drive our profitability. It is coming from a huge backlog. The Service backlog is around -- close to EUR 50 billion. And this is something obviously why we enjoy this business so much. Let me come to the markets where we are and where we are playing and where we compete, obviously. And as I said before, the electricity market is growing. We assume or we believe 50% electricity market growth in the next 20 years. So there's 2% CAGR, really, year after year after year. And there's obviously different elements contributing to this: population growth, excess electricity, new applications like data centers and e-mobility, but also the electrification of industries, which more and more takes place to really achieve a more sustainable industry setup also. But the market's not only growing, it's also tremendously transforming. If you look on the resource base for electricity generation, today, we're looking on electricity generation which roughly is 40% based on coal, a good 20% is based on natural gas, 10% is nuclear, and less than 10% is wind and solar. This is going to change going forward, and nobody exactly knows how. But I have a couple of beliefs where I believe is really going to happen over the next decades to come. First of all, in a growing electricity market, the share of wind and solar are going to grow. We believe it will be, until 2040, around 30% to 40% share in the overall electricity production. And this growth in renewables will at the same time also drive transmission and infrastructure. The location where energy or electricity is produced and where electricity is consumed going to depart more and more. And this will require solutions for either transport electricity for longer distance or to transport electricity or green electricity via a molecule, for example, via hydrogen. Even with this over-average growth of renewables, I'm convinced that gas will remain a key pillar of the future electricity generation over the next decades to come. And this is also driven, obviously, by the coal-to-gas shift, what we will see in all areas of the globe. So gas remains a key enabler in the industry. We believe it will be much stronger going into decentral applications, but it will remain a key pillar in the industry. And we have invested a lot of money ourselves over the past years to really upgrade our gas turbine technology. We have an excellent portfolio there. And this is a portfolio, what we want to monetize on going forward. Coal, we strongly believe, will go down. Obviously, it will be different from every region. And every region has a different need with regard to balance, affordability, sustainability and reliability of supply. But we believe we will see a lot of coal-to-gas shift or coal-to-renewable shift. And then the question is, once again, how does this go together with the transmission grid? How can we ensure grid stability? What backup solutions are required? And these are the elements, what we want to shape as an energy technology company. You may have heard that we are currently, in our company looking into this, how do we continue with coal, and I would say a couple of words to it a little later. So how are we taking this company to the next level? So how do we deliver? And let me address it, first of all, overarchingly from our program, what we call Energy of Tomorrow. And this is really addressing the transformation of the market in 2 steps. The first one is about accelerating impact. It's about doing our homework. And it's a lot about how we do things. It's really, how can we get leaner, sharper, faster to do our business, to route the revenue to a more effective machine. And this is a lot of the things also what Jochen going to talk about on driving operational excellence, monetizing on our good portfolio, what we have and really drive profitability up. At the same time, we are already starting to develop new technologies to help the energy transformation. One example I gave was the green hydrogen. We spent a decent amount of money in our development money to push for the electrolysis as one of the key technologies. There's a lot more, and I will talk about some of our innovation examples later in the presentation. And it's also about establishing how do we work in networks. The energy transformation will be a lot about collaboration, collaboration with customers, collaboration with partners, and really building new solutions based on collaboration. And obviously, this is very much, once again, about how are we doing things. At the end, our mission -- our vision is obviously very ambitious. We want to be the most valued energy technology company. And this is really driving energizing society and making sure that we can really electrify the world and really help also the way to a more sustainable solution. This will also drive our view on how we manage data. And I will talk about the digitalization a little bit, but it's really also becoming a more data-based, a more data-focused company. We are in a data-driven business. And obviously, we want to act as a data-driven company. So this is the program we are talking about. And I will provide you more details, particularly about the accelerating impact phase, but also Maria will show you more numbers around it. And Tim and Jochen and Andreas will walk you then through the different businesses and the activities we're tackling there. Before I come to the overarching picture, let me address you what I as CEO of this company is focusing on currently. And this is 5 main areas I would like to highlight. First of all, I'm a big believer in rigorously following up on operational performance. It's about the passion for details. It's about making sure that we rigorously review where is EBIT and cash generated, where are our challenges, how can we really make sure that we fix things which are there. And it's just the passion for detail at the end to deliver on the performance. At the same time, we need to be simpler and less complex as an organization, clear accountabilities, lean structures, right people at the right place. This is what we're driving. This is what I look at personally to make sure that we get the machine as effective as possible to leverage the value of this fantastic portfolio, what we're having. Even so we're having a fantastic portfolio, there's elements, because our market is transforming, which going forward, will not provide the right profitability or not the right solution for a transforming market. And we will have to make hard choices on underperforming portfolio elements. And it can be about fixing them, partnering them or stopping them. And this is something what we're -- continuously will look into and are looking into while we work through this transformation of the energy world. We will not be successful without innovation. And this is something where I also personally will follow-up on how do we allocate our development money in the different areas to make sure that we also deliver long-term potentials and long-term EBIT and cash. We have a strong innovation machine today. And there's a lot about elements, and I will talk about this in a slide, where we can really make sure that we get it more effectively, more focused, opened up to customers and really get the most value out of our innovation. Siemens Energy spends EUR 1 billion every year in innovation. And this is obviously something where we want to get our, let's say, profit back afterwards once we have invested into the development of new technologies. And at the end, last but not least, I have a very high customer focus. We are in an industry which is driven by customer relationship, by trust, by also understanding jointly where this transforming market is going to. And this is something which is very close to my heart, really understanding how can we co-create projects and solutions together with customers, really understanding where the market is going, also making sure that the customer has the trust in our abilities to deliver on their projects. And I have spoken a lot to customers over the past couple of months. And I'm very pleased with the openness, really, to work together with Siemens Energy as the leading energy pure-play company in the world. Let us come to the performance of the company. And we're coming, obviously, from a history where we had seen deteriorating performance, coming from a good level going down. And this is why also, in 2019, on the Capital Market Day, certain measures were presented also to improve, really, the profitability of the business. I come to this in a slide on how these programs are running, but we obviously see an even faster deteriorating market today. We all have suffered from COVID. And I think the whole world is suffering from COVID. And our industry has been facing significant headwinds, and so did we. But I -- first of all, I have to say, I'm extremely pleased and proud how the Siemens Energy team has mastered, really, COVID. We were able to keep most of the sites running. We were able to serve our customers. Never forget, we are mission-critical for the societies in terms of providing solutions to produce electricity. And the team has done an outstanding job on, really, keeping the projects going. There have not been any major cancellations of projects. And this is what I have to say, I was very pleased to see this, managing COVID, and at the same time, really managing the listing process, which is also on track. So this has been a tremendous success, really, of the Siemens Energy organization. Going forward, we know all that we have to do homework. I'm not satisfied with the operational performance. The organization is not satisfied with the operational performance. And at the end, it's about relatively straightforward matters. Look on your cost base, reduce nonconformance costs, improve the gross margin of the project business, build capabilities in best cost countries, and rigorously following up on this to drive performance, to get it up to a level of 6.5% to 8.5% EBITA margin, including special items, and in the midterm, 8% or higher, including special items, really, then on the midterm. One element around this definitely also will be of the measures, being more selective on projects, and Jochen will present key elements around this also in his presentation. Going back to the programs. What we also have announced in 2019, those of you who have been there at the Capital Market Day, know this program, that we announced a cost reduction measure, around EUR 1 billion of programs. We are halfway through the program. We are on track with the program. We expect to deliver the other EUR 500 million. But at the same time also, we do know and we do see that the market headwinds are higher than we anticipated actually when we set up this original program. So there's additional minimum EUR 300 million savings tackled. We are, at the moment, working through the details of these programs, how we can do it and how we can tackle it. And this is absolutely something which will drive up the margin going forward in the line, what I have been presenting before. Also, Siemens Gamesa has been presenting their LEAP program, and Andreas will walk us through it, in terms of how to improve the performance in onshore, but also really how to drive innovation and bring the right products into the fast-developing wind market to make sure that we, as a company, Siemens Gamesa, can really develop successfully in this growing wind market. If we want to deliver on this improvement of the performance, I want everybody in the company to be aligned also with the shareholders' target. And we have implemented an incentive systems which is really geared around the shareholder value. So the compensation scheme of the Executive Board is around EBIT, ROCE, and cash on the short-term incentives, and total shareholder return, earnings per share, and our ESG program, which I will talk about a little later in the long-term variables. We also want to have skin in the game for the Executive Board. So there is an investment obligation to be invested heavily in the company to drive an ownership culture. We also want the whole organization being incentivized with the stock price and really drive an ownership culture in the company, which is all linked to the share price performance. And this is what we are rolling out now to make sure everybody is aligned with the shareholder targets also to drive the company. Let me come to some of the key levers I talked about before, what we want to tackle in our Energy of Tomorrow program. And let me start with digitalization. And I'm a big believer in digitalization, a big fan of digitalization. And you always have to look on it from 2 ends. The one thing is about building and generating products which can generate customer value. And we have, over the past years, developed a lot around digital offerings. Let it be from cybersecurity products which connects an operating power plant to our supervision; remote services like remote monitoring, but also a complete remote commissioning of gas turbines. And corona has given all these applications a big push. And everybody has seen that these solutions are working. Everybody is much more open to accept these type of solutions. And these are solutions we want to also drive growth with in the Service business going forward. But it's also about transforming ourselves. You can only be a good digitalization company or offering good digital products to your customers once you transform yourself, once you are data-driven. And it's about processes. It's about data consistency of the company. It's about automation of processes and really strengthens the digital backbone and -- to make sure that we really can come to the next level. It's about IT structures. And this is what we're driving at the moment, really getting data-centric in our company to make sure that from this level, we can also build the future service product. I talked before about the portfolio and also the need to continuously review it and look at it. It's active portfolio management. And the question is always, how future-proof are the elements of our portfolio? What do we have to do? What is happening in the transforming market? And this will be a continuously ongoing process. While the market is transforming, we are transforming. And we have, earlier this year already, obviously, taken a different view on our larger aero derivatives, gas turbines, and Maria going to talk about the exact numbers as a consequence, on the financials. But where we did not see in the new units business anymore the long-term profitability, but at the same time, driving service off the installed base. This is a logic we are looking in, in terms of continuously making sure that we reshape our portfolio step after step after step. The other element, I addressed already in the beginning is coal. There's a lot of discussion on how to continue on coal. Once again, just to recap. 40% of the electricity generation today is coal. Globally, if I look to Asia Pacific, it's 50%. At the same time, the world has to get out of coal midterm. And this is why we're looking into this at the moment, how can we actually balance the needs of our customer with our own sustainability aspiration. What is the right way to do it in terms of looking on affordability, sustainability and reliability of supply? And obviously, also, how can we balance the employee interest from ourselves there in terms of really managing this coal business? We will announce a plan by the end of the year on how we continue with coal. But we definitely keep our customer commitments. And also, we intend to continue to provide services to make sure that existing plants run at the most sustainable setup to reduce, really, CO2 footprint as much as possible. And I strongly believe, and I can only repeat it. I believe the fastest way to a sustainable energy world is by driving also interim solutions. Let me come to innovation, and this is a massive innovation power which sits in Siemens Energy. I'm very impressed what we have here. 24,000 patents. We spent EUR 1 billion a year on research and development. And we have fantastic examples where we are putting together new products which already are addressing a lot of the challenges of tomorrow. And it's always in the market around the 4 Ds: the decentralization, demand growth, decarbonization and digitalization. And if I just walk through the -- for example, given here on the slide, just to give you a flavor of what the organization currently is doing, and looking on the more decentralized application like the floating power units, which is something which we see more and more as a market trend, where you really have the power units on a barge floating to allow quick access to electrical power. I talked already about our market-leading electrolyzer solutions. Siemens has been long-term in this business. I believe in green hydrogen. It's quite a journey still to go. It's now really about the phase where the bigger demonstration projects have to go into operation and really develop the boundary conditions, in which boundary conditions can these type of systems around green hydrogen really be commercially viable and successful. The Sense products is an interesting element. We've put IoT devices on more or less every transformer what we have -- so there's more than 1,000 units out there where the transformer also comes with an IoT connectivity and really provides data. That is in a business which is today not very service focused. But by doing that and by generating the data, we more and more generate, also, interest with our customers to look into this data to see on how we can create value. And this is exactly about these type of new business models what I was talking about at the beginning. How can we generate data from our assets? And what is then the solution which provides value for the customer? And I think the Sense products are a fantastic example for that. It's not always about the product or the what. Sometimes, it's also about how we do things. And in this regard, additive is a fantastic example on how you can really change fabrication processes. And with this, also manage your stock differently, have a different part of spare part philosophy, increasing, really, the speed on the production chain. And this is something which, particular in the rotating equipment area, allows us new designs, new geometries, and where we're really at the forefront on developing new solutions. At the end, the focus going forward in R&D will be, for us, driving service and sustainability. And it will be a strict capital return criteria to cite, is it really worth to invest money? Do we get a payback from this development? And for me, as I said before, it's also about co-creating. Energy technology is about collaboration. The market is transforming. Working together with customers, working together with partners, opening up, and finding ways on how can be as fast as possible and as lean as possible develop impactful solutions for the energy markets. And I can only echo what I've said before. I have spoken now to so many customers, and the interest really to jointly do -- develop new things, to jointly drive innovation is very, very high because the trust in Siemens Energy, as a company, the respect in seeing this long history on technology is extremely high. And this is obviously what we want to drive going forward, to drive the best solutions for a new energy world. Let me come to a couple of points which already also tap into this innovation piece, but which also show one thing: Why is it actually good to have several divisions in one company? Why it is better to have a broader portfolio at Siemens Energy than just being, for example, renewable pure-play company? And it's about optionality. The energy market is transforming, and it will require options. And it requires a combination of capabilities. And all these 3 examples here, and there's much more at the moment happening in our company, are combinations of capabilities in more than one division of our company, providing solutions to customer who have to transform themselves. And this is obviously what we continuously want to do. Every time a customer thinks about a new solution required, we want to be the speaking partner of choice of really doing this. And if I start in the middle. This is a nice example of combining knowledge out of our oil and gas business and from the transmission business and bringing together at the customer. This is an oil and gas customer where the need was to reduce its CO2 footprint in oil production. And a lot of these type of companies at the moment talking about electrification of the operations, what else they can do on the platforms. And this is bringing together customer knowledge and customer intimacy and market knowledge on the one side and bringing them the electrical capability through the transmission business. And at the end, you come out with a solution which is comparable in terms of CO2 reduction as if you would take 130,000 cars off the road. And this is why I'm so passionate about the company. These are exactly these interim solutions which make the world better today and really help us to get to a more sustainable energy world. A similar solution in terms of step-wise, going into a decarbonized solution is what we drive together with Uniper in terms of injecting hydrogen in an existing turbine fleet. So it's bringing together the capability of, how can you modify or change existing assets and producing green hydrogen at site and injecting it into the turbine, and with this, taking care of existing assets and step-wise, really, decarbonize these. Our customers have invested billions and billions and billions of assets. These needs to be tackled and transformed going forward. And this is where it requires climate-friendly solutions, even so it sometimes is an interim solution and even though it is based sometimes on a mix with conventional. But it's better to start today than to wait too long for tomorrow to find one silver bullet. I think this is the view, what we are taking in terms of driving forward, really, the energy world. On the right-hand side, you see an example from combining the Siemens Gamesa capabilities of the offshore wind capability together with our transmission group in terms of designing and also transform a module, which is really cost competitive, lightweight, and is really combining, on the one hand, technical capabilities, but on the other side, also execution capabilities, with a huge offshore experiences. And this is why it's also so nice to have Siemens Gamesa in the family and why they are core to our strategy at Siemens Energy. And Siemens Gamesa has been, since 2004 really being in a successful journey going forward. #1 in offshore, tremendous market growth. Andreas will talk about, obviously, on how to also improve onshore. And there's a lot of synergies between Siemens Gamesa and the rest of Siemens Energy. I mean it's simple things sometimes, like how can we pool procurement, how can we actually access our customers? A lot of our customers, what we are talking to, like oil and gas customers, are, today, investing into offshore wind parks. So these are exactly the same customers. It's the same trust base, what we're using there. And this is we're, obviously, also the go-to-market. We want to leverage, as much as possible, jointly to bring value to our customers and drive this forward. And there's also a strategic collaboration around new developments. How can we, for example, develop hydrogen at the bottom of a wind turbine tower and produce hydrogen directly offshore and bring the molecule to the coast. And these are the elements which will drive the future energy world, and this is why Siemens Gamesa is an instrumental part of the Siemens Energy strategy. I spoke a little bit about the market development globally. But what you have to see really is every region is slightly different. Every region has a different starting point and every region has a different opportunity. And let me pick as an example here, Asia Pacific. This is the fastest-growing electricity market in the world. In the next 20 years, more than 80% market growth. At the same time, it's also the fastest transforming market in the world, particularly driving a coal-to-gas shift or coal-to-renewable shift. We have, today, 18% of our revenue stream in Asia Pacific, and this is a number I want to grow. And this is obviously a lot about also how do we go to market, how can we partner with clients. And you may have read our technology partnership with UGTC in China on how to bring large gas turbines into the Chinese market. You may know about our offshore activities in different parts of Asia, combined, also, obviously, with rolling out our transmission capabilities and how we -- can we bring this together. We have launched our large gas turbine HA class in South Korea. So there's multiple elements what we're currently driving and it's really an opportunity for us, with a more rigorous going to market in Asia Pacific and really tapping into this growth going forward. We all do what we do because, at the end, I think we share all the same target. We want to live in a more sustainable energy world. And sustainability will be at the core of our actions. And as [ I ] can only repeat it, I strongly believe interim solutions are the faster way to get to a more sustainable world. But sustainability must be really in the core of our action. And supporting our customers in this transition is a key element of what we're driving. It starts with us. It starts with us as a company to walk the talk around sustainability. And this is why we set ourselves the targets to be 100% climate neutral in 2030 with our own operation. In 2023, we want to source 100% of our own power consumption from renewables, green electricity completely. And at the same time, it's also -- I mean the organization is only successful if you drive diversity. We start from a very low level. I have to say, and I would obviously love to see higher numbers, but we commit to 25% by '25 and 30% by 2030 in terms of female leaders in our management levels. And this is where we also continue to drive more diversity to be more successful as a company. We will walk through the sustainability agenda more and more once we come obviously also listed as a company. This is really close to all our heart. And this is something where all our people are working on, are motivated for: How can we drive a sustainable energy world? Let me put it into one summary in terms of the main levers, how can we become leaner, faster, sharper? How can we renew -- route the revenue through a more effective machine going forward? And it's about driving service. It's about, really, tapping into growth regions like Asia Pacific. It's really managing costs, how can we manage our manufacturing sites. And Jochen going to share a little bit about information where our challenges are. How can we improve the best cost country share in our workforce, particularly you see the growth in Asia. How can we more effectively organize our R&D centers? How can we increase the funding to our R&D? So these are the things which we are driving. There is a rigorous road map around all these elements. And this is what the management team and all the people in Siemens Energy are embarking on and are driving forward. So let me finalize and summarize why I believe we are the right investment. And let me go back to the first slide actually, just to put it in a nutshell. We're putting together a leader in the energy industry. The spin-off allows us a step change in operational performance. We have, today, a leading portfolio in the industry. Service business is, for us, a core value driver. And we're going to develop our portfolio with the focus on service and sustainability at the end, to deliver more EBIT and more cash to our shareholders. All this is only possible, really, based on our people. And I have to say this is the most impressive thing I have now seen over the past 4 months since I'm with the company. This is a highly motivated workforce. This is a workforce with a lot of passion for our customers. This is a workforce which really understands that we have to transform ourselves and wants to tackle it. And we're all eagerly waiting to start sailing on the open sea with our ship, Siemens Energy, and we're all energized with. The same thing I am telling you today, I tell my people in every webcast in, every telecast, in every meeting, what we're having, to make understood where we want to take it. And I'm super pleased to be part of this team. We are all energized by it. And I'm very, very confident about the future of Siemens Energy. Thank you very much for your patience during this presentation. I will hand over to Maria Ferraro for the CFO presentation and somewhat more numbers. And then afterwards, Maria and myself will be available for you for question and answers. Thank you.

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

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Thank you, Christian. Good. Hello, everyone. Hi. My name is Maria Ferraro, the CFO of Siemens Energy. It's really difficult to follow Christian, but I will do my very best. A very warm welcome from my side, and thank you for joining us here today. I have to say, we're really excited and pleased to be here. This is a momentous day for Siemens Energy. And although it is virtual, we really do thank you for joining us today in our Capital Market Day. So before I start, just a little bit about myself, although Christian did a great job of introducing us. I'm Canadian, born and raised, a chartered professional accountant, and I started my career with PriceWaterhouseCoopers many years ago in my hometown of Hamilton, just outside of Toronto in Canada. After that, I did leave PwC to join a telecommunications company. It took me to parts of Asia, also in Europe. And then on a very momentous day, again, in June of 2004, I joined Siemens in Canada. Since then, I've held a number of roles within the Siemens finance organization. It took me to a number of countries. I actually was in my own home country in Canada, the CFO there, for a number of years. I went to the U.K. And since 2017, I've been here in Germany when I started my role as the CFO of the global Digital Factory Division. And then, of course, Digital Factory became the operating company of Digital Industries. And since May of this year, very pleased to be part of the Siemens Energy team. And I just want to make a comment about that because, of course, you're going to see us here, the 5 of us, and maybe even a few more here on stage, but we're just the management team. It's really the 90,000-plus people out there that make Siemens Energy what it is in the past, with this great legacy coming from Siemens and, of course, who are really passionate and energized, pardon the pun, to become Siemens Energy in the future. So I'm here to take you through the financial portion of our presentation today. In my presentation, I would like focus to always on 3 things. So one is our solid business foundation for our business, and I'll take you through that in the next slides. Number two is we have a clear path for margin improvement. And I think Christian touched upon that, not just our ongoing programs but, of course, our new program, the accelerating impact program. And number three, it's cash, cash, cash. We will focus on cash. We will focus on creating cash that's generated from EBIT. And these are the 3 topics that's sort of the red thread through the entire financial presentation today. Also Christian mentioned it, and we did talk about this at the meet the management earlier this year, we will be providing an additional layer of transparency today at the divisional level, and this is because we want you to understand our business better. But of course, going forward, that will change post spin, but we'll always endeavor to ensure that you have sufficient information to address your questions. Also as a note upfront, I have a lot of content in my presentation, a lot of slides to go through, but I will describe the Gas and Power segment in a little more detail. Of course, SGRE with Andreas Nauen here, he will present later, but they had their Capital Market Day last week. And I think they have their profound public disclosure, so I'll touch on SGRE, but I will focus on Gas and Power. So jumping right into it. I think we did that already. So of course, this is what we start with on day 1: a global diversified business with EUR 77 billion in order backlog, of which EUR 9.5 billion in recurring and resilient service revenue per annum as of fiscal year '19. And of course, I'll get into this later. I have this little bubble there that says asset light. It is operational asset light with low net capital employed. And we have a very strong net cash position, and Ralf touched on this earlier, and really pleased about that. And of course, our BBB investment grade with stable outlook rating from S&P. All of those 5 get us to that illuminated, if you'd like, circle at the bottom, which is our clear path to the 6.5% to 8.5% margin in fiscal year '23, adjusted, of course, for special items. So this is what we start with on day 1, which, of course, means we need a clear framework for value creation. And it brings me to our target framework here. So where do I want to take Siemens Energy as CFO? Remember my 3 items, the strong business foundation, margin expansion or looking at our profit and our cash conversion improvement. So first and foremost, if we go to the bottom left hand, you see there, flat to 3%, a solid top line development. In the midterm, we target a 3-year average revenue growth for Siemens Energy of flat to 3%. Because we know, and Christian mentioned, that it's not only about growth, it's also about being selective and pursuing profitable revenue opportunities. Looking at the top part of the slide, we think about profitability, and we have 2 metrics there. Very simply, we have to take cost out. It's about rightsizing. It's about looking at our capacities. It's looking about how we do things smarter, taking cost out. And being a Siemens -- independent Siemens Energy, this is what it's about. And we may have to make some difficult or tough decisions to make that happen with speed, agility and empowerment. I think it's very important. This is what we bring at Siemens Energy. Also looking at execution, of course, when it comes to profit, it's about execution, project excellence, understanding our commitments and delivering those commitments, from my perspective, on time and within budget. And with that in mind, we have a clear path, to the top left-hand now, looking at our 6.5% to 8.5% adjusted EBITA margin before special items. This is our target for fiscal year '23. And on the right-hand side, you see there, the greater than 8%. Why that's different? Because that's all in. That's as reported. So adjusted EBITA margin, excuse me, for Siemens Energy, this is our midterm target. So moving down around the circle, if you will, to the cash conversion rate of 1 minus growth, this is about cash flow, this is about excellence and it's about knowing our balance sheet. It's what Christian mentioned. It's about the passion for details and managing it step-by-step, which includes all parts of the organization. It's important to see that when it comes to assets, it's not just something that happens in the headquarters. It's all throughout the entire organization. And for cash, we aim for a rolling 3-year conversion of 1 minus revenue growth over the fiscal years of '21 to '23. So for the last 3 points that I mentioned, you see white checkmarks beside it. Anything that's denoted by a checkmark is something that we're trying to ensure in terms of accountability. We talk a lot about accountability. And those checkmarks mean that the profitability and cash conversion targets are parameters of our executive incentive framework. Now moving to the right hand of the side -- slide, excuse me. I think Christian talked very thoroughly about R&D. We have the EUR 1 billion in annual spending. This will remain in that range, give or take. However, it's ensuring how we're allocating R&D, not essentially the size, and looking at appropriate areas of growth. Our asset-light model, as I mentioned, supports attractive returns to our investors, while we continue to invest in our portfolio to act as the leading force of energy transition. Going to the bottom right-hand side now, I'm looking at financial policy. Of course, our solid investment grading is a key priority. It's a key priority for me as the CFO of Siemens Energy. And we've got a great start with our BBB stable outlook rating by S&P, and we aim to maintain it. And we plan on a 40% -- 40% to 60% payout ratio in terms of our dividend policy for -- and funded by our free cash flow. So in summary, looking at the financial framework, it's all about driving value creation. It's focusing on performance, profitability and cash flow improvement, of course. It's about a disciplined capital allocation and continuing to invest in R&D and deliver attractive shareholder returns. And it's looking at those profitability and cash conversion targets, those are embedded in pillars of our incentive program. So what am I presenting to all of you today? There's a lot to get through, but I thought we should, let's say, partition into 3 parts. The first part will be looking back, looking at our historical performance and really looking on the basis of that foundation that I talk about. In the middle, it's about sustainable value creation, what are we doing really to ensure that we meet those targets that I just outlined in the future. And number three is taking you through in a very detailed way our financial outlook for Siemens Energy. So looking at our historical performance. In summary, we try to encapsulate some of the trends because there are some very good trends in our historical performance. Number one is we returned to growth in fiscal year '19 across the board with a book-to-bill ratio greater than 1 in all divisions. You will also see that in fiscal year '17, the Egypt Megaproject does have quite a sizable impact. And it creates, let's say, tough comps or, from a comparability perspective, it does create tough comps. And in terms of our profitability, we stabilized in fiscal year '18 to a new normal, a new normal environment, of course, pre-COVID. And I think it's really important to stress that we as Siemens Energy demonstrated resilience, despite COVID-19, with year-on-year increasing top line, and I'll get through -- or I will detail that in our current trading overview. So now going into a bit more detail and look at the themes I just mentioned in terms of the numbers. If you look at orders on the left-hand side of the slide, very good progress made over the last 3 years for the group, increasing overall steadily since fiscal year '17 our sizable order backlog. Also in the last few years, as we mentioned, steadily increasing our Siemens Energy book-to-bill ratio. Very good trend. If we look at Gas and Power, of course, in fiscal year '17, you do see from the revenue perspective a bit of the spillover from our Egypt Megaproject, but it levels off in FY '18/'19 at approximately, give or take, EUR 19 billion in revenue. For SGRE, I think it is also noted, very performing well and steadily increasing revenue over the last 3 years or since merger as well. Looking at EBITA on the right-hand side of the slide. Of course, as you see, the drop from '17, of course, with the Egypt Megaproject. We had quite a favorable capacity utilization in that year, then leveling off again in '18 and '19 to around 4.5% EBITA for GP and just shy of 5 -- or 5% for the group. So summing up, a very strong '17, leveling off to a reduced business volume in '18 and '19. With a new normal, I think it's important to note, a new normal of our new units, but steady service, as Christian mentioned, steady service. And we stabilized our performance in fiscal year '19. So now I'll go into greater detail in the divisions. So here is the much awaited transparency. Again, we haven't provided that before, but it was important to us at Siemens Energy to provide that to you today, so that you can understand our business, understand the 3 components in our divisions, and we want you to have a closer look as well. So there's a lot of information, I have in the next 4 slides, very heavy numbers, a lot of content. So I'll be pointing out just some key factors per slide that I would like you to focus on. So firstly, for this slide, across each division, please look at the top. All divisions, book-to-bill progressing since 2017, all book-to-bill ratios greater than 1 in fiscal year 2019. So both Gen, well, Gen, for the most part, and Transmission also did have the Egypt Mega order effect in fiscal year '17 and was highly impacted, of course. But if you look at generation right now, you can see from fiscal year '17, down on -- from an EBITA perspective and from a revenue perspective, of course, impacted by -- it was great business. I shouldn't -- in fiscal year '17, it was a great business. We wanted that order, and it was a real success story. But of course, you can see the impact predominantly in our generation business going forward. In the middle, we have our Industrial Applications business. Looking at the last 3 years again, we can see that the book-to-bill also rose in the last 3 years, but there was weak order intake in '17 for new unit business, which impacted revenue generation in the future years. However, important to see that it's now stabilizing. Also on IA, if looking at the EBITA, we do need to look at our cost base and see how we continually improve that. We have programs in place that we're executing upon. But of course, this is something that we'll have to look at resizing, if you'd like, again to this new normal. Also of note, in both Industrial Applications -- well, Industrial Applications in fiscal year '18 and 19, included in the EBITA are onetime recurring M&A impacts, as you can see there denoted in the notes on the slide. Going to Transmission. Transmission increasing book-to-bill and steady margin improvement. One thing I should note, in fiscal year '18, even though we see a slight dip in the book-to-bill, this was the year that no large HVDC orders were given or won. And still, with a 0.9 book-to-bill, I think that's pretty, pretty good, real solid performance. So we see in Transmission a stable top line with continuous profitability improvement. So this is a strong business, progressing well with our marketing and technology leadership. And our colleagues will go through the divisions later in more detail. But going forward, I want to stress this. We're all at different, let's say, areas of maturity in '19, as you can see, division by division. But all divisions are looking about how can we ensure we have sustainable profit generation into the future. So now looking at our current trading under COVID-19. You see here 3 quarters, plus the 9 months ended comparable to '19 in our fiscal year '20 results. And before I start into this, I'd like to spend just a few minutes on COVID. As Christian mentioned, and what I'd like to say is, our business has been impacted by COVID-19, no doubt. We are not immune to COVID-19. Projects were delayed. Sites were closed. And this led to a holdup in progress on some projects and, of course, the inability of our service technicians to access site. Manufacturing facilities, as Christian mentioned, were also closed or shutdown because the safety of our employees and our stakeholders is most important. So we absolutely did the needful globally. However, just to echo what Christian said, it makes me extremely proud, truly proud to see how the team did in these very volatile times. And we kept the customer at the focus and at the core of everything we did when we kept the lights on. And it makes me also proud to say that there was only a limited number of scheduled outages that were shifted and also a smaller number even then that were canceled in the last months. So the team did a great job with respect to handling COVID. And as of today, the majority of our plants are in operation, up and running, of course, with COVID precautionary procedures in place and at just essentially normal loads again. So looking ahead, we anticipate that the COVID-19 pandemic will have less profound impact on our business. However, of course, uncertainties around the duration, the depth of the crisis and the variety of countermeasures within governments and countries around the world to come back to its effects may weigh on our performance, in particular, in the near term. So this is COVID. Now if we look at oil price, the current assessment is limited short- to medium-term impact. We have a really robust service business, and I'll get into detail in a moment about that, and that comprises 42% of the Gas and Power portfolio. Therein, around 1/3 is in decentral energy production on which the oil price does not have a severe impact. Furthermore, as Christian said, our Industrial Applications business also has significant business with other customers, additional customers, such as industrial customers. Thus, this limits the exposure to oil and gas and market in this division particularly. Overall, however, it should be noted that we are seeing some uncertainties in oil-dependent countries where we see some reductions and some delays in investment activities. This is no doubt, it's a very volatile and dynamic situation that we're monitoring day by day. So now looking at the overall numbers, again, starting with Gas and Power. It's been a really, despite all the global headwinds, I would say, stable orders, stable revenue, also in new units, which shows a stable to moderate increasing trend in the 9 months ended fiscal year '20. If you look, again, at profitability, this is where we did have COVID-19 impact predominantly in Q3, and it should be noted that this was planned for, we saw this really being the trough or the dip. And of course, this is related to a number of things, capacities, costs, but of course, also the fact that we had a less favorable revenue mix, again, mainly in generation. And our profitability, adjusted for special items, one in particular that I'd like to mention related to strategic portfolio decisions in Q3 of fiscal year '20. COVID-19 did not slow us down in terms of our ongoing streamlining and rightsizing initiatives. For Q3 fiscal '20, we made the strategic decision to streamline our AGT, or aero-derivative gas turbine, portfolio. This means we will no longer actively market certain AGT models. However, the servicing, where committed, will be continued. This decision resulted in an impairment of EUR 701 million, which we have adjusted out of our EBITA before special items metric. Also with respect to SGRE, it should be noted, order backlog, really growing well, strong order intake, but performance was weak. We know this, and the challenge is not only related to COVID-19 and predominantly in the onshore business. Offshore and service continued to perform well. And the Siemens Energy decline in profitability and overall result is negative, you see that here, and it's mainly related to SGRE. And GP had a positive EBITA contribution to our 9 months ended. So in summary, we demonstrated resilience, despite COVID-19 in our figures, the 9 months ended fiscal year '20. Siemens Energy order backlog continues to increase, both in GP and SGRE. The revenue generation, as you can see here, for Gas and Power, quite robust, even despite market headwinds and COVID. And COVID did impact both GP and SGRE in profitability. The decline to negative is mainly related to SGRE. So that's the current trading update overall for Siemens Energy, GP and SGRE. Now I would like to take you through and take a close look at the recent performance of our Gas and Power divisions. Again, a lot of information on this slide, you can all read it. I'll point out some trends that I would like you to think of when looking at our divisions. In generation, really good order momentum, slight revenue decrease, true, due to COVID-related delays and project shifts, but still good top line. Look at the book-to-bill. Now looking at the adjusted EBITA before special items, it did decrease, as I mentioned earlier, before due to fixed cost underabsorption and, of course, a less favorable revenue mix. Some small onetime topics as well. Looking in the middle at our Industrial Applications division. Revenue development was strong, strong, driven by our product business. And profitability, notwithstanding, there are some onetime effects in there. But notwithstanding that, our profitability in Industrial Applications was relatively stable when accounting for the nonrecurring disposal gain in the prior year period and despite COVID-19 effects, I think that's really important. Transmission demonstrated robustness with stable revenue and driven by their grid stabilization activities, decarbonization and renewable integration. And the profitability held up well, despite again COVID. And there was a onetime positive impact in the 9 months ended of last year. So again, in summary, looking at the 9 months ended at a divisional level. We have a resilient top line and positive profitability, all GP businesses, in all Gas and Power businesses. And the book-to-bill ratio, so strong top line remained greater than 1 in all divisions, and all divisions had a positive profitability contribution, which is extremely positive. Now that sums up the historical part of the presentation. Hopefully, you're all still with me. I'd like to take you now through the second part, which is about sustainable value creation. So you see this circle. You've seen it also in Christian's presentation, and this is what we call Siemens Energy value creation circle. And what do we think about when we think about value creation? Well, it's depicted here. It's about revenue that generates profitability. Of course, profitability also is generated by taking cost out, streamlining our costs and ensuring that, that ends up -- ensuring that we have cash flow at the end of it. All of this is together with our wrapped up, our solid capital structure, and I'll look at each of these components in the next slides. So first of all, we're looking at revenues, so the bottom left-hand corner of the circle, and it's about our strong business foundation, if you remember my 3 things. And it rests on these 4 topics: our broad portfolio and global footprint; our large order backlog, which provides visibility on revenue well beyond a 12-month time frame; our stabilized new unit business with positive order momentum behind it; and our resilient, resilient and recurring service business, which contributes greater than 40% to Gas and Power segment revenue. So now I'll take these topics for these one by one. So looking at this slide. Christian did an excellent, superb job of describing the left-hand side of the slide, so I won't go into any detail about that, but I'd like to look at this slide from a CFO perspective. There's many things that I like about our portfolio: the technology; our products; our large service share, which I'll talk about; our diversified customer exposure; our global footprint, as you see there; and looking at our core markets as well as further upside in the growing market of Asia. And again, I won't describe all of this again, but it's when, it's the breadth of our new units. And when you pair that with our mission-critical global service business, this is what forms this very robust and resilient basis. And also to highlight and to echo what Christian said, 10%, and it's good business, 10% of our business and our revenue is related to central new unit, large gas turbines, and we are in that business. It is a good business to have. However, we're very holistic. There's 90% also in other parts of our business. And of course, those new units are driving our service business and our base for service. So now looking at our order backlog, talking about why this is important. It provides very strong visibility, and this reinforces our business foundation. Our order backlog is large. It's EUR 77 billion, as you can see, in fiscal year '17 with a solid growth trajectory in the last 3 years, a 5% CAGR to be exact. And it's even a higher ratio. It's 2x annual revenue for Siemens Energy, by the way, and even a higher ratio for Gas and Power therein. And it's growing, like I said, since fiscal year '17. So just a few things to point out here. The Gas and Power order backlog related to service, EUR 35 billion in fiscal year '19, 67%, and it continues to increase since FY '17. And why is that important? It's really important because it gives us that visibility. Looking on the right-hand side of the slide, our order backlog conversion 1 year forward, 25% on average over the last 3 years of our order backlog converts into revenue within 1 year. Looking at Gas and Power, more or less, this is about EUR 13 billion. And if you look at Gas and Power revenue of EUR 19 billion, that means, at the beginning of the year, approximately 70% of our revenue is already contracted or in-house. This provides very high visibility. And for the last 3 years, this is our order backlog conversion of around 25%. And now going to the next topic, which is new units. It's -- I want to take a deeper dive into our new units business, specifically for the Gas and Power segment, which, as you know, has been hit hard in the past years. Again, looking at the left-hand side of the slide, and overall for the last 3 years in our new units business, in fiscal year '17, of course, this was positively impacted by our Megaproject in Egypt, and you see this particularly in generation. Subsequently, you can see that, of course, this levels off in the next 2 years, and we actually see that the new unit revenue stabilizes in fiscal year '19. And now looking at the right-hand side of the slide, we also see that new unit orders increased in all divisions in fiscal year '18 to '19. What does this signal? This signals that we're turning the corner. In orders, in FY '19, increased across all businesses, also in generation for new units. And remember in my current trading update, I highlighted the strong product business development. New unit revenue has shown a stable to moderate increase trend in our 9 months ended for fiscal year '20, despite COVID-19. So in conclusion, with looking at the new unit revenue by business and the orders by business, the revenue has stabilized. And we're now seeing positive order momentum, which, again, shows the turning of the corner. Next, now let's look at service, service, service. Service is and will remain the resilient, profitable part of our business, and profitability in this business is attractive today. And we expect that profitability to sustain into the future. And it's not just about our long-term service contracts because, of course, that's great, that's recurring, as I mentioned, but it's also about ensuring that we look at things like innovation, digitalization, wanting to be a data-driven company, using that data-driven, additive manufacturing, and also looking at how we can provide those services more efficiently, looking at productivity measures, so thereby strengthening overall our profitability. So now looking at the left-hand side of this slide, in GP, specifically, but also in SE overall, our installed base continues to increase in the last years. We have a large share of service long-term contracts, in particular in generation. This provides visibility and resilience. And the services we provide for are critical and extremely important for our customers. And I think this is what makes the difference at Siemens Energy. Tim will provide more details on services later. Now let's go to the right-hand side of the slide to show the service revenue share by business for fiscal year '19. Generation in Industrial Applications very clearly are service-heavy businesses, with a 50% to 60% service revenue share. Please note, I think it's important for you to know for accuracy, the historical service business of decentral generation is reported under Industrial Applications. That's the reason why the ratio is slightly higher for Industrial Applications. Also Transmission, yes, at 8%, in its technology, inherently, the components do not trigger comparable service needs, such as you would have, for example, in generation, but this is something that Transmission is clearly focused on. It's growing its surface share. And of course, owed to the new unit rapid growth in SGRE, the service share is still emerging, still growing. And as a result, we expect that, that share will grow and continue to increase in the next years, thereby contributing positively in terms of mix effects to our group portfolio profitability. So overall, with respect to service, wonderful business. Service revenue has a positive and solid growth trajectory, long-term contracts, which is great. It provides visibility to our revenue generation, of course, and thereby our profit. And it's a growth opportunity from our growing installed base and increasing our order backlog again, in particular, in SGRE. We will continue to focus on service and strengthen our margins in service. And Tim, again, will very eloquently provide that detail in his presentation for service. So now we are in the second part of our value creation circle. It's about now looking at profitability. As a recap, we have a strong business foundation with our broad portfolio and our healthy top line, which gives us the basis for executing things like cost out programs, et cetera, and that really presents an opportunity in terms of profitability. So now it is all about profitability, and this will be our focus in the next years in terms of things like resizing; streamlining; optimizing; strict cost discipline, we'll talk about that later; and improving our efficiency and our operational excellence through project execution. Now I would like to just take you through a little bit in terms of our cost structure and the cost base reduction. So to start, this page shows our cost structure before special items for Gas and Power, we're specifically looking at Gas and Power. As you can see, since 2017, it's good development. We've been able to take out EUR 2.3 billion in cost of sales compared to fiscal year '17. This was approximately 10% of our fiscal year '17 cost base. So we can and we have and we are able to cut costs where necessary. However, given the market drop behind us was steeper, we just didn't do enough or fast enough, essentially, to remain in step with our declining market. On the right-hand side of the slide, as you can see, our cost and percentage of total revenue, the underutilization caused our profitability to decline and our costs as a percentage of revenue to increase. Now of course, this is not a positive trend. It's not a good trend, and it's not a trend we want. So the good news is, though, we're able to tackle this because, as mentioned before, our top line stabilized in fiscal year '19, and we continue to improve on our cost structure step by step. And I believe this really contains a lot of profit upside, which I will dive in deeper on the next pages. So also, I think mentioned already, we've made significant investment. We spent a lot in terms of securing future profitability, and we've heavily invested in the last years in rightsizing and streamlining our operations. At Gas and Power, again, this is Gas and Power only, approximately EUR 700 million of restructuring expenses were booked in fiscal year '17 to '19. I already mentioned, as you can see there, the strategic portfolio decision for AGT in GP. This represents the EUR 701 million. But why are we showing this? We're showing this because these numbers give proof to the fact that we can and are transforming our business. We have invested significant resources to strengthen the profitability of our business in the future to contribute to our target of 6.5% to 8.5% in fiscal year '23. So looking at the special items. The special items definition, by the way, for Gas and Power and SGRE are in the slide on the right-hand side. So besides restructuring, which I think I've focused on, there are standalone costs in there. They're not so significant at EUR 19 million for the 9 months ended as, of course, these were mainly reimbursed by Siemens AG and, of course, the strategic portfolio decisions, which I mentioned earlier. So now we come to the core of our profitability and how we're going to generate value in the future and our profitability upside, our cost programs. These formalize our action plans to address our cost structure, et cetera, so let me give you a brief overview. Looking on the left-hand side, for Gas and Power, you see the PG 2020 and GP 2020+ programs. These programs are mainly focused around rightsizing our production, our capacity and predominantly there in terms of reducing headcount accordingly. These programs have been publicly announced already and are currently in implementation. I will give you a more depth update in a minute. The next block in the middle, you see this, this is a new block called accelerating impact, and this is a new program quite broad in scope, looking at 4 things, as you can see, for each of the boxes. One is about footprint. It's about streamlining our global footprint, looking at our factory network, really looking at reducing complexity. Second is portfolio. I think I talked about that a little bit, our strategic decisions to continually streamline our portfolio and to achieve a leaner and simpler setup. Then, of course, project excellence. This is twofold. That's one hand really about being selective at the start. And on the second hand, it's about execution. It's about ensuring that we deliver on what we commit in budget and on time. And of course, within that is about reducing nonconformance costs, very important. The last box is supply chain -- or supply chain excellence. This looks at streamlining overall globally our logistics operations to make us more efficient. So in the middle is our new program, accelerating impact. I will not go any further at this point because Jochen will do a great job of describing that program later. So together with programs of PG 2020 and GP 2020+, plus accelerate impact, this -- these 2 together combined will uplift our profitability within Gas and Power. At SGRE, as described last week, and Andreas will touch up on this later, they have the LEAP program. This was announced and described very well last week. We regard this as a core module that Siemens Energy -- to Siemens Energy profitability upside. This is what SGRE has committed. And of course, I won't go into details any further. But this together are our cost programs, which will drive the profitability improvement across Siemens Energy. So providing a little more insight as to where we are. So at the CMD last year in May 2019, we announced the upsizing of our existing cost programs to EUR 1 billion in savings, here labeled on the left-hand side as PG 2020 and GP 2020+. We realized EUR 500 million already by June of 2020. This helped us to stabilize our profitability in fiscal year '18 and '19, despite a decline in business volume. I'll go into further detail in a moment. But as you can see there, a big blue check. By 2023, in a now stabilized new normal environment, the remaining EUR 500 million or the second block of cost savings, this, we expect to have full impact on our bottom line, full impact on our bottom line. And we expect to have those savings in by fiscal year '23. We also expect, on the right-hand side of the slide, the accelerate impact initiatives, which have been quantified at greater than EUR 300 million. So in total, we expect greater than EUR 800 million incremental, recurring annual gross cost savings in the next 3 years as compared to fiscal year '18, of which we expect a EUR 200 million to already be realized in fiscal year '21. So programs are on track, being executed. And as expected, we have those cost savings realized. What's important to me as a CFO is that we maintain really a strict cost discipline and to ensure that the cost savings programs, they fully translate into profitability improvements that hit our bottom line. It's sustainable savings that we're after. So looking at the next slide, going a little deeper into the existing programs, I think it's important to give you an update. As you can see, the realized first block, realized EUR 500 million, check. The major part of these savings relates to, as you can see in the middle of the slide, the 8,800 headcount reduction. With respect to that, you know that severance agreements, they take time. They're in place. But some of those take time, especially when we're looking at early retirement agreements, for example. It takes time to realize and have those cost savings in the P&L. But it's also important for these programs that the required cash outs are already funded, and we're funded in our open balance sheet by Siemens AG. And we have great visibility on these savings, and we know when they will materialize. So this is the first block, the realized block. The second block, which we nicely title as underway, this relates to the ongoing measures, plus, this includes corporate function reductions. We aim to streamline our corporate functions upon spin-off, and this will take time, of course. But this is also a core tenet of the underway bucket of EUR 500 million. So that, together, the realized plus the underway makes me feel comfortable, very comfortable that we will deliver the remaining EUR 500 million of savings to reach the overall original commitment of EUR 1 billion by the end of fiscal year '23. So that's the update on the ongoing programs. Now very briefly, like I said, Jochen will go into this in some detail, but just to, I guess, close the entire -- of all of the cost programs, this is the accelerated impact program so far, globally identified greater than EUR 300 million. As mentioned, those are the 4 key modules that will be attacked, if you'd like, in our accelerated impact program. And all of that is under the banner of operational excellence, which Jochen will talk about in a moment. So now third, and certainly not last, because it's not last, it's cash. Cash, cash, cash. There is cash flow upside, and I'll show you in a minute. We do have an asset-light business model, and it's a very good basis to start to excel on cash flow. We can do better. We will do better. We all want to do better in terms of managing our balance sheet step-by-step in all parts of our organization. And a major lever of this will be optimizing our working capital. So here, you have our net capital employed by segment. And if you look at the bottom, this is what I'll try to describe to you why I think our asset-light business model. If you look at Gas and Power, net capital employed at the bottom of the slide is around EUR 10 billion. And SGRE is around EUR 3 billion. When you subtract the nonoperational items, such as goodwill and intangible assets, the tangible net capital employed is only EUR 1 billion at Gas and Power and even negative for SGRE. So this is actually great news for us. This means that we need limited capital to operate our business. We also have highlighted a few line items here, such as provisions, which is mainly warranties, for example, and investments accounted for using the equity method. I'll get into that in more detail in a minute. And the largest block within net capital employed, excluding goodwill, is our operating net working capital. This is the second line, if you'd like, from the top, with EUR 3.5 billion for GP and EUR 1 billion for SGRE, which I will deep dive in a moment. So next, looking at cash flow. You can see, which is great, our Gas and Power business in the last 3 years has been cash generative and also in the 9 months ended fiscal year '20, despite -- and really despite all the challenges and the macro headwinds. So we know profitability and working capital are key levers that impact our historical cash flow generation and certainly also into the future. Accordingly, these are the 2 topics that we will focus on with laser focus in the months to come. As a reminder, cash conversion of 1 minus revenue growth for the rolling 3 years to come is a target. This is something that we are incentivized on. And also just for completeness, the segment free cash flow here is on a pretax basis. Reconciliation line includes income taxes paid for both Gas and Power and SGRE. Regarding free cash flow in the appendix, we also include a very comprehensive cash flow statement in Slide 40, which provides additional transparency. Now looking at our asset management, one of my favorite topics. Here, we see Gas and Power, and it's the Gas and Power focus. In this slide, over the last 3 years, even though our business declined significantly, the fiscal year '19 operating working capital, net working capital is at the same level more or less than fiscal year '17. So we were unable to reduce our working capital position. It goes without saying that I'm not satisfied with this. I'm not satisfied with our current net working capital base. We, as a team, are not satisfied at all. And we have a lot of work to do, really slow and steady. Programs are already in place, but this is about the passion for details. For example, when I joined Siemens Energy, we have monthly operating reviews. And of course, assets and looking at our overall working capital is something that we review. And I was shocked to see that, in certain divisions, there are some overdue balances that are clearly unacceptable, 30% to 40%, and we communicated that very clearly to that division, and they're working on it. But as you can see, there are opportunities where we can do better, and we need to tackle those one by one, especially in light of the challenging market conditions. So in order to create accountability, we set ourselves working capital targets, as you can see there on the target column. We aim to reduce operating net working capital by September 23 -- or '23 rather compared to fiscal year '19 by approximately EUR 1.2 billion. Again, the measures are identified. Programs are in place or initiated. We will revitalize those programs. We already have comprehensive working capital measures in place. We're managing overdues. Of course, we're looking at inventory. But one of the things that we're doing now, for example, is we're really looking at dunning processes and trying to ensure how do we prevent overdue receivables from occurring in the first place. Also when it comes to inventory, I'm really pleased to see that I think the tool originated in Digital Industries, it's called the Digital Inventory Management tool, or DIM. This is being implemented now in Siemens Energy. Why is that important? It's important because it provides visibility right down to the warehouse floor anywhere in the world. It gives you benchmarks and trends. It ensures that we're looking at things like safety and obsolescence stock and how do we optimize that. So I know in Digital Industries, we had great success with that tool. And I think now we're certainly going to bring those practices to Siemens Energy, so -- and overall, looking at slow-moving inventory in total, of course, and seeing how we can handle that in light of some of the market changes. So really, yes, excited in terms of how we're going to get this reduction in place. The team is all behind this, both in GP and SGRE. And I think this is something that we will focus on and really deliver on in the coming months and years to come. I'm passionate about it. So now I think I wanted to provide you an update or an overview of our equity investments. It's very important for me to highlight the most relevant one, which is Siemens India. There has not been a carve-out of the Indian Gas and Power business, which is part of the listed Siemens India Limited. Instead, Siemens Energy holds a 24% stake in Siemens India, while Siemens AG retains approximately a 51% majority stake. As a result, Siemens Energy will participate in the profits through its participation, which is of today with a market value of EUR 1.1 billion. So it's really important for me to stress that. It's just like SGRE, which has a market value. Siemens India also has market value of EUR 1.1 billion. With respect to how do we move forward and how do we work collaboratively together, we agreed, Siemens Energy agreed with Siemens AG and Siemens India on the future governance and collaboration through a shareholder and agency agreement. So overall, in the middle there, you see the rest of our equity investments, highlighted here, with a book value of EUR 448 million for fiscal year '19 and an associate income of EUR 81 million. So again, Siemens India, 24% stake. We have a market value of approximately EUR 1.1 billion, very important to highlight. So now to recap. Revenue, profitability, cash flow, those are all focused topics that, when working together, create value -- sustainable value creation to our shareholders with profitability and cash flow being, of course, of the utmost importance. But and certainly not last, it's also regarding that foundation around which is our solid capital structure. Our strong net cash position provides for funding for ongoing restructuring measures as well as reliable, consistent dividend distribution targeted at the 40% to 60% payout ratio. Now let's get started with this first illustration. I'll speed up a little bit now. I hear my time is up. We actually went through this a little bit at the meet the management in May. This is as of June. We have a very strong net cash position at Gas and Power on a consolidated basis. At Siemens Energy, excluding SGRE or GP, as of June 30, we had a cash and cash equivalents of EUR 2.2 billion, of course, partially earmarked for some restructuring cash out. With such a sizable cash position, we consider ourselves very well equipped to execute the ongoing restructuring and overall needs of our business. And as a result, as you also see in the middle, there's loans and leases. But de facto, we are debt-free at Siemens Energy, excluding SGRE, as the financial debt relates mainly to the IFRS 16 leases. So SGRE in green, also a sizable cash position with, on a net basis, net financial debt of EUR 0.3 billion. And overall, for Gas and Power, very important, net cash of EUR 2.2 billion. And Siemens Energy with a net cash overall also of EUR 2 billion. It's very important, Ralf Thomas mentioned this earlier, to not forget that Siemens Energy and SGRE, we have substantial undrawn facilities close to EUR 6 billion in total, which gives us significant financing flexibility. And of course, to round it off, and it goes without saying as a CFO, I'm very happy with our solid BBB investment-grade rating with stable outlook from S&P, and it's a priority for me to maintain that rating. So last but not least, last but not least, I want to conclude my presentation today with the financial outlook for Siemens Energy. So as you know, at Siemens Energy, we are in a special situation, and our prospectus will be published next week. I'm very well represented with many lawyers also here in the room, and they have indicated that I should be extremely precise for this portion of my presentation. So quite simply, I will read it out for you. So here, what we see here is the centerpiece of our financial outlook, which is the path to margin improvement of 6.5% -- or 6.5% to 8.5% for Siemens Energy overall. Here I'm showing you how we will get to the targeted 6% to 8% for our Gas and Power segment by fiscal year '23. As I explained, profitability stabilized at 4.5% in fiscal year '19, you see that at the left-hand part of the slide. We expect that the challenging market environment, including, but not limited to, COVID-19, the oil price and the resultant global macroeconomic uncertainties are impacting our profitability in fiscal year '20. But at the same time, we continue to progress with our cost savings programs, as outlined earlier and as planned. Therefore, we expect an adjusted EBITA margin before special items for our Gas and Power segment of 0% to 2% in fiscal year '20. This is the starting point for us as we embark on our transformation journey. We believe that our existing cost savings programs, PG 2020 and GP 2020+ and with accelerating impact, the combination of this with cost discipline and stringent resource allocation will make the difference. As a result, we expect to achieve incremental recurring annual gross cost savings of more than EUR 18 million -- EUR 800 million, excuse me, by fiscal year '23 as compared to fiscal year '18. Our colleagues at SGRE clearly outlined in their CMD their clear path to profit improvement to a target range of 8% to 10% adjusted EBITA margins by fiscal year '23 driven by their LEAP program. So summing up, I'm convinced that as a team, we have all the cards in our hands to achieve our targeted margin improvement. So next is our financial outlook. Here, I will lay out to you our formal profit forecast for fiscal year '20 and '21, which will be published in our prospectus next week. Further, we outline our outlook for fiscal year '23 and our midterm guidance, which will also be published in our prospectus. So let me start with the Gas and Power segment. For Gas and Power, we expect revenue in fiscal year '20 to decline by 3% to 5%. In fiscal year '21, we expect a return to growth in the range of 2% to 11%. I already mentioned that we expect an adjusted EBITA margin before special items of 0% to 2% in fiscal year '20. For fiscal year '21, we expect a margin before special items of 3.5% to 5.5%. For fiscal year '23, we expect a margin before special items of 6% to 8%. Now I move on to Siemens Energy as a group, including Siemens Gamesa Renewable Energy. For Siemens Energy, we expect revenue in fiscal year '20 to decline by 2% to 5%. In fiscal year '21, we expect a return to growth in the range of 2% to 12%. We expect an adjusted EBITA margin before special items of minus 1% to plus 1% in FY '20. For FY '21, we expect a margin before special items in the range of 3% to 5%. For fiscal year '23, we expect a margin before special items of 6.5% to 8.5%. For the group, in the midterm, we target growth of up to 3% over a 3-year period and a reported margin, i.e., all in, of at least 8%. Finally, on tax, in the medium term, assuming no significant changes in tax rules -- existing tax rules, we expect an effective tax rate in the range of 25% to 30%. So okay, that was the formal part. So to wrap up, yes, fiscal year '21 is a transition year with profitability expected similar to fiscal year '19. Two, our ambition for fiscal year '23 is 6% to 8% for Gas and Power and 6.5% to 8.5% for Siemens Energy adjusted EBITA margin before special items. And three, in the midterm, we target at least 8%, and that's all in as reported, so not adjusted for special items. Okay. So now just to close up very quickly because I am over time. I want to just come back to the 3 focus area that I think were the red thread throughout the entire financial portion of my presentation here. One is it's about our strong business foundation. I think we demonstrate that. It's our large order backlog. It's our top line. It's our resilient service business. It's about our clear path to margin improvement with all of our ongoing cost programs, plus our new accelerated impact program. And last but not least, it's about cash, cash, cash. It's about asset excellence. It's about cash upside from our rigorous passion for detail, looking at our working capital management going forward. We have our targets, as you saw earlier. And all to say, we are focused on sustainable shareholder value creation. And with that, thank you very much for your patience, and I will call on Michael. Thank you very much.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#34

Thank you very much, Maria. I also welcome Christian Bruch back on stage. It's now time for the first Q&A on Siemens Energy, not on Siemens. I think we've seen 2 great presentations, and I'll hand over for the first question to Jonathan [ Monte ]. Jonathan?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#35

It's -- because I'm a little confused by kind of 2 narratives that are forming. Obviously, there's one in today's presentations, and then there's a long kind of a news flow this morning from Bloomberg. So specifically, on the margin targets, 6.5% to 8.5% by FY '23 and then 8% thereafter. The target's obviously underpinned by today's savings. It looks like that includes the EUR 300 million from the accelerated impact. But on Bloomberg today, you're quoted as saying "Siemens Energy are looking at further plant closures." And I'm assuming those plant closures are linked to savings that are not in the presentation today. I'm just wondering when we might hear about that, the sort of magnitude that might be and what that all means for the ultimate margin aspirations of this business above and beyond the 2023 outlook.

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#36

Okay. Jonathan, I hope I have understood everything correctly. Thank you very much for the question. So you're related to further plant closures and whether these are all in there. At the moment, we're obviously working on the existing programs. As I said, we continuously look on what else can be done. There is no specific plans behind this yet, but we obviously continuously look in how is the market transforming and what do we need to tackle. But at the moment, obviously, this is something where there is not a specific or concrete plan in place at the moment. There are some measures, obviously, coming out of the execution, out of the running programs. Don't forget, in the past years, Siemens Energy has closed around 25 sites already, and we continue on executing on this. We are looking currently and won't further specific around this. But this is something now, over the next couple of months, what we're trying to understand better going forward.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#37

Thank you, Christian. Next question comes from Alex Virgo.

Alexander Virgo

analyst
#38

That's an incredibly comprehensive presentation. I wondered if you could just talk a little bit about the confidence you have in the targets. I mean I appreciate that you put them on there, so you're confident in them. But I just wondered if you could talk a little bit about the difference between the last targets we've had with relation to these businesses, which were obviously considerably higher than the ones you've now given us. And then what the differences are that have led you to the current numbers? And then I guess just a quick one to pick up on the bridge you've just shown. I'm wondering why the COVID recovery cannot offset the COVID impact.

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#39

Okay. Let's see. Maybe I take the first half, and Maria will take then the second half of the COVID recovery. In terms of confidence in the targets, over the past 4 months, I have rigorously reviewed with all the businesses the different measures, the business plans and so forth. And I'm confident, obviously, with the business targets we put forward. At the end, it's echoing what I said during my presentation. It's about, honestly, it's discipline, passion for detail and getting things done. And I'm very comfortable with the leadership team, what I'm seeing here. I'm also confident with the refocusing on certain elements just to get things implemented. And I also want to echo one thing what I've said in my presentation. We're all aware, and you all know the business very well. Some of these elements will take time. If I say, for example, project selectivity drives at the end also, profitability up. This is something which is working against the backlog and which only comes then after a certain amount of time. And if you look on, for example, the developments, what we have achieved in my previous company, very similar mechanisms, very similar structure. And you see, obviously, then gradually, it starts slowly, and then obviously, then you'll see the changes ramping in after some time. And the same I do expect here. Looking across the company, really, I'm confident with the targets we have put forward. And don't forget, there is road maps in place already where people start to execute. The one thing we can all not judge on is really what is happening to COVID. I mean at the moment, we're assuming that in the current situation, we have actually reached a little bit the down cycle now from COVID. And from here on, we're going to recovering going forward. That is the one big question mark. But in terms of the general measures which we have put in place, that is something where I personally feel confident. And the difference for me is really a highly focused management team on this, and very clearly also, the tough wind of the markets sailing out there, right? Because it is obviously putting us as an organization out there in the market. And as I always say, there's no cushion for reality. And in this regard, it's driving the things on, passion for detail and disciplinary execution, hard work. And maybe with this, I would pass over to Maria.

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#40

Thank you. No, and thank you for the point regarding the bridge and the COVID recovery. As I mentioned, I think we planned for the, let's say, the trough or the worst part of COVID as of Q3. We saw that impact as I showed you on our current trading and the 9 months ended. However, it's a very dynamic and volatile situation. In terms of the recovery, we see this perhaps not as a V, perhaps more of an incline steadily over the next years. You know that we are in large, long duration projects. So this will take time to recover, and I think we denoted that properly in the bridge.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#41

Thank you, Maria and Christian. [Operator Instructions] So Simon, over to you.

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#42

Simon, we cannot hear you. You're on mute somewhat.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#43

Okay. Then we'll take Andre until Simon has found the unmute button. So Andre, over to you.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#44

I wanted to talk about pricing environment. What are you seeing at the moment? How experience has been in the last kind of 6 months across OEM service? And what is baked in your backlog? And also, most importantly, the targets that you put out in terms of pricing behavior impact across these 3 years?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#45

I address it also in the Meet the Management slide. I mean, what I'm seeing throughout 2020 is, let's say, a somewhat diverse picture. I mean, in a lot of areas, I see stabilizing pricing with the orders we have taken into our books, I mean, which obviously is also a lot on the transmission side, but also on generation and IA, which is also around the distributed generation side, where I see, let's say, a margin environment, which is stable. And obviously, in the large area, it's a little bit unpredictable, honestly, because there are so many of the projects being pushed out. There is obviously still a little bit of a question mark where this is going to come out. We do see in 2020, really, there, let's say, pricing pressure, I would say. But I think it's too early to tell now is this now the general market trend? Or is that something which is COVID-related or one-offs? But in the rest of the business, and I think Andreas will talk about pricing also with regard to wind power, we see a stable pricing environment.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#46

May I follow-up? Just on the target specifically, do you have stable pricing exceeded in the targets?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#47

I would hand over to you.

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#48

Yes. No. The -- in terms of the targets, in terms of pricing, of course, we have some assumptions in there, but I just want to echo what Christian said. We've seen a stabilization, specifically in the new units for central distribution, for large gas turbines, and we have some increases in pricing assumed in our targets. Of course, we do. Thank you.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#49

Thank you. Now over to Ben Uglow. Ben, please?

Ben Uglow

analyst
#50

Hello, can you hear me?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#51

Perfectly, Ben.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#52

Absolutely.

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#53

Yes. Hello, Ben.

Ben Uglow

analyst
#54

Yes. So a couple of questions. First of all, I noticed that you didn't really give any numbers around sort of gigawatts of large gas addition. And in the past, we've had sort of 30 to 35 gigawatt guidance. We've also had guidance in terms of unit volumes of 80 to 100 units between GE, Siemens and Mitsubishi, et cetera. Really, what I was interested in was what gives you the confidence that the footprint reduction that we're seeing at the moment is enough? So if we look at global large GT capacity, and there are some figures out there, on what -- how you see the market in the next 2 years, what makes you feel that enough capacity has come out of the system? And maybe if you want to -- we're trying to make our own estimates. If you want to give us sort of 10%, 50%, any kind of guidance on how you think about the capacity reduction, that would be very interesting. Second question. I was interested about the point about project selectivity. And I didn't realize maybe that that was such a sort of prominent issue within Siemens Energy today. If you had to look at the portfolio of projects and say and benchmark it versus where you were in Linde, where you were able to get 700 basis points of margin upside, where does Siemens Energy fall in that spectrum? How much upside is there simply from being more careful around projects?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#55

Thanks, Ben, for the 2 questions. Maybe with the large gas turbines, in terms of the market looking on it, I mean, we are relatively conservative looking on a market. If I take it in units, roughly somewhere around 60 to 70 larger units per year. And I think there is we expected to actually balance out. And obviously, with this, the question is, okay, what does happen in terms of the capacities and fabrication? As I said before, this is something what we're also still reviewing on. Does this, let's say, change anything on how we do things? But this is too early to tell now. This is where, obviously, we -- over the next couple of months, we'll try to make our judgment what is the best fabrication to set up. I also said, and this is why I had in my presentation, generally, the number of sites. The fabrication site needs to come down, not only of the overall capacity, but also managing complexity, avoiding transport of goods between sites. So this is one thing that around 60 to 70 units is what we are looking at. In terms of the project selectivity, it's obviously a little bit of mixed picture. What I'm seeing is and as much looking over the past 4 months into the numbers, it is really we have buckets of excellence and buckets where we lose money in some areas. And then it's obviously the question, if you look on it, let's say, where we're good at and where we can differentiate, we also obviously earn money with. So making sure that you do not do the things which others can do maybe cheaper and not being -- how shall I say, to be religious about you want to do everything on yourself. And this is about partnering and really shaping your scope. I cannot yet tell you or break it down how much at the end would it mean in terms of comparison to Linde. But what I've seen, obviously, in my previous company, that actually by doing it, we actually figured out a different way of doing things, how the region is set up, sometimes doing more engineering and procurement scope and let somebody else do the construction, having construction partners. I think only once you develop all this network, you can really judge on how much is in there. But this is, at the end, obviously, something which will be a key lever for us, also because the value generator at the end is the logic of being a product-led service business. And the important thing is getting our units in the place. It's not the most important thing to do all the civil around it, and this is the element. But I think it's too early to tell now, honestly, working from these different elements, cost measures, project selectivity, soundness of backlog. I think and I hope that we have over the next road shows and next meetings and next quarterly results the chance to share more, let's say, views on this and exchange question and answers on that.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#56

Thank you, and now we'll try Simon again. Simon? We still can't hear you. Maybe next time. Let's try via telephone. We can [indiscernible]. Right. Okay. So now we take Wasi Rizvi, please.

Wasi Rizvi

analyst
#57

Yes. Mine's on the working capital, where you've talked about the increase in receivables and inventories. How much of that do you think is internal? And how much of that was market driven? I mean, is extended payment terms something you need to do in the market now? Is that something you need to be doing? And in inventories, I think we've heard in the past that speed of delivery has been a differentiator. So how do you manage the inventories down whilst you're trying to take advantage of the opportunities out in the market?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#58

Maria, that is a prime question for you.

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#59

That's a prime question for me. Thank you. So maybe I'll take it in. So the first part of your question was regarding whether or not this -- in terms of some of the overdue receivables over the inventory balances are as a result of the market conditions. And I think, of course, it cannot be excluded that, so that impacted, of course, the net working capital. As I mentioned, coming off of such a strong '17 and then really trying to drive those cost initiatives and then resultant initiatives of reducing inventory and receivables on the balance sheet was a challenge. They've made some progress. We are looking at different ways to do things. I think the DIM tool, as I mentioned, in terms of the inventory, safety stock, looking at obsolescence, what you're talking about in terms of our commitments to our customers. I think those types of tools really start to show where we can optimize, always ensuring that in terms of what we deliver -- have committed to our customers, we're able to deliver but where we can optimize. So I think the difference will be these tools that's stringent and rigorous, let's say, following up. This is something we do monthly. And this is something that I do personally with all of the divisions, looking at each and every balance sheet position. So I'm confident that we're able to deliver those targets that I mentioned earlier with respect to net working capital. Thank you.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#60

Thank you. And the next question comes from James Moore.

James Moore

analyst
#61

Yes, can you hear me?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#62

Perfectly well, James.

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#63

Perfectly.

James Moore

analyst
#64

Great. Yes. I've got 3 questions if I could. The first on savings, the second on service and the third on headcount. On the savings, I understand you've increased from EUR 1 billion to EUR 1.3 billion. You mentioned because of worst headwinds, but then you also talked a bit about pricing having stabilized. I wondered if you could talk about what you mean by the worst headwinds that you haven't seen this time last year. The second question is on service. Thanks for the excellent revenue breakout. I wasn't really expecting to see service margins for obvious reasons. But I wonder if you might continue with Randy's occasional reveal over the years, from which I assume that the margin was about 14% in '02, 20% in '08 and 25% in '16. And I'm really just trying to get a flavor for how that's developed in the last 5 years. Are we still where we were in the mid-20s? I assume it must have come down. I wondered if it's come down below 20%. And the final piece of the jigsaw is how many people have left the company so far of the 8,800, please?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#65

Okay. Thanks for the questions, and I would pass the number question with the people always to Maria to make sure we get the numbers all right. But let's say, with regard to the savings and obviously, the headwinds, what did we -- what do we see, what we didn't see? Obviously, there is, let's say, an impact in the overall industry, seeing also the oil and gas and the sustainability development. And I think COVID accelerates some matters. What we would have, let's say, expected a little later in terms of how you look on big investments in power generation or oil and gas investments or process industries. And this is why we obviously believe that we need to accelerate this program and need to extend by the additional EUR 300 million saving to make sure that, particular in the generation and industrial applications business, we get to the profitability we aspire. And Maria has shown you from where we're coming from. So you can also expect that, obviously, we want to land at a decent profitability there. Service margins, no, we don't share. And we will be there very strict. One important element for me is as because it always belongs together in terms of the new units and service business, and it would be, honestly, a [ distraction ] of the actual information. So I have to disappoint you there. There, you will get no further detail on the service margins. In terms of headcount, Maria?

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#66

Very good. No, in terms of headcount, I think if I take you back to the PG2020 and the GP2020+ progress, if you remember that first bucket of the EUR 500 million that I said is realized, that relates to the lion's share of the 8,800 people that are impacted by that first, if you'd like, tranche of the gross cost savings. Again, this is going till FY '23. But I think it's important to note, if you look on where the restructuring cash outs have happened, I've shared that with you that the lion's share of those restructuring cash outs also happened in the last 2 years. So that's a good assumption to take, James, with respect to how much of that headcount has been reduced so far. And we'll continue as we strive for that fiscal year '23 target achievement on the second underway tranche, okay?

James Moore

analyst
#67

Let's go back to your service answer. Without talking about numbers, we know that service profitability is good across almost all rotating industries. So that's no secret. The implied profitability of the OE businesses are extremely negative. Do you have the ambition? And do you think about it that way? I understand you talk about them in the round. Do you have the ambition to get to sort of breakeven in OE?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#68

Absolutely. No. I think in this regard, I mean, this is something where I believe the cost measures we're tackling should bring us there. And also, it's quite diverse a picture if you look across the different products. So it's not that you, let's say, lose money on all the new units. That's not the case. It really depends on the distribution of the portfolio, and it must be our ambition to, let's say, achieve a setup where we can get to a breakeven there. And then together with the service, get a nice business. And I think that is possible, and it's our aspiration. At the same time, I also believe there's potential also in service. I mean, as I talked about the digital pieces, there's a lot of things which add to this existing fleet. And there's a lot of things where also our customers change to look on things. And there's also a lot of things which happening now in the industry and the thinking from moving to CapEx more to OpEx in terms of really improving existing assets. And this will unfold over the next years to come. And this is why I believe there is this potential in growth, but potentially also in margin if you drive it correctly.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#69

Thank you. Let's go to the next question. That comes from Andreas Willi. Andreas, please.

Andreas Willi

analyst
#70

Yes. I hope you can hear me. I have 2 questions, please. One, finance and one on strategy. On strategy, you highlighted on a number of occasions the focus on Asia, where you are underrepresented if we look at the revenue mix versus the size of the economy. Growing in Asia in project businesses has been a target for many companies, but often difficult in a profitable way. Most of your, let's say, more aggressive competitors are based there. So what is really the opportunity, specifically where you can have a differentiated strategy to go against Asian competitors in Asia? And maybe you could talk a bit about China, where we had a lot of news flow 2 years ago about partnerships and opening up the market. But since then, your market share continues to decline as does the one of your U.S. competitor. And the finance question, a lot of detail and commitments on the EBITA level prior to the special items. Maybe you could talk a little bit more about how we get from that number to the net income number in the next few years? You've given a tax rate guidance. Maybe talk about what exactly are the special items we should see in the coming years. So there's restructuring, but is that where stand-alone costs are going to be? And how much? Brand license fees, is that going to be part of that? Or is that allocated to the core? And then on the financial net line, obviously, we've got some numbers historically, but they're not that meaningful given it wasn't a real balance sheet. So maybe you could give some guidance on that line as well as far as you can.

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#71

Thanks, Andreas, for your questions. Let me take the strategy one, and obviously, Maria takes a finance question. On Asia Pacific, obviously, looking on Siemens Energy, and we are looking at a company with a lot of IP, with a lot of technology, 24,000 patents, which has a strong technology position. And if we want to leverage this position and really in Asia Pacific, it is about partnerships. So even if it has been said before, I'm going to repeat it. And the question on what is the go to market? What are the right partners? How we can do it? I come from a company where Asia Pacific has been the largest-growing market over the past 5 years. And this came with collaborations. This came with really, let's say, per market really a different go-to-market strategy and entry. And at the end, once again, it's about the detail. It's about executing it then and getting it on the ground. But it's a market which I can only [ beat ] 80% growth over the next 20 years, significantly transforming, and we have a strong technology position. But I absolutely agree. We should be careful on the elements where we can really provide value and where others are simply have a better cost base on the cheaper. So I'm looking for setups where we can really the maximum monetization on what we're having and not necessarily always the biggest top line. And this is really then obviously also influencing our view on partners in the region. UGTC has been a first step. We're obviously looking at different matters also where can we drive in other areas. But this go-to-market will be a key element for us to really grow in Asia Pacific. Maria?

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#72

Yes. Very good. So I think I got all of the components of your question. I think it was multi components, but first and foremost, the brand fee, to answer your question, that's not and will not be considered a special item. So that will be in the core of the business as you mentioned. With respect to our special items, as I showed earlier, of course, there's restructuring. There are the onetime impacts, Andreas. You saw that so far for the 9 months ended was just EUR 19 million -- sorry, looking here, EUR 19 million included thus far because, of course, Siemens AG for GP has taken on a lot of that. For SGRE, as you know, they still have their integration costs that are continuing to show up as a special item. And of course, we will provide, and we have, by the way, in the appendix, a reconciliation from EBIT to EBIT before tax and then can certainly take you through some of our assumptions regarding cash flow as you rightly mentioned. And historically, we didn't provide a full balance sheet. We can provide that further, if you'd like. Michael and his team would be happy to do so. Hope I answered the question. Thanks.

Andreas Willi

analyst
#73

Maybe on special items.

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#74

Yes?

Andreas Willi

analyst
#75

Big difference how Siemens Gamesa interpreted that historically. Lots of things going in that line that I will consider operational, where Siemens AG didn't use those -- didn't use the same definition and was much more stricter on what was added back. So where are you going to land between the liberal SGRE definition, the strict Siemens definition?

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#76

So I outlined specifically the special items definition within the presentation, which shows what we include, which is restructuring, which is the onetime costs for the -- for our independent structure, if you'd like, and also the strategic decisions, portfolio elements that we also account for that. SGRE is not changing their definition. They continue to have their definition as they have had in the past. They will continue to do so also into the future.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#77

Right. Okay. We're coming to the last question, and that's from [ Sophia ] from UBS.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#78

Am I audible?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#79

Yes, you are. Thank you.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#80

All right. All right. Great. I just have 3 questions, 2 around the business divisions and one a little bit on the cost out and margin targets. One is on large gas turbine business. And I just wanted to get your thoughts on how do you see what is the -- essentially, the strategic plan for this business, given, I would say, at least the same trends that are maybe underlying supporting the distributed gas business or the transmission business or even the wind farm business might actually be headwinds for this? And where do you see this growth in this business maybe a little specifically? I suspect China being one of the key geographies for this business, and how do you see that developing? And second is on the new energy business, and you did mention electrolyzers. When I looked around, I could see some sort of offerings around PEM electrolyzers that Siemens Energy has. So apart from this, what do you see could be the focus of this business? I understand, of course, right now, they are sort of negligible contribution to your top line as of now, but how do you see this developing maybe over the medium or even slightly longer term? That's more on the divisions. And then I'll wrap it up by just on the cost out and margin targets. I remember in the previous Capital Markets Day, the Siemens Capital Markets Day for the Gas and Power business, there was the EUR 1.5 billion operational productivity by 2021, which was aimed mainly to offset pricing pressure. I mean, I saw a similar sort of mention in today's presentation as well but, of course, the quantum wasn't specified. And would this still hold true, especially given that you said that prices have broadly stabilized at least? Would this target still remain? And secondly, on the time lines of the cost out for the -- your time line for EUR 1 billion by 2023, of which it was shared that EUR 700 million was expected by 2021. Does that still hold true as well?

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#81

Thank you. And I would take the first 2 questions, and Maria then going to take the last question. On the large gas turbines in terms of strategy. First of all, we do not assume the large gas turbine area really grows. This is not what we're anticipating at the moment. And for us, in terms of the strategy, it's monetizing what we have really invested in the past. We have spent quite a bit of money in the upgrade and development of our turbine fleet on the large gas turbine side over the past years really to have a neat offering in the market. And this is obviously one we want to monetize on a rollout. There's no question that Asia going to play a key role in these markets where the large offerings are. And -- but it's something, as I said before, which we expect to stabilize on a relatively low market level. On the new energy business, and if I heard you correctly, on the focus on other areas, what else on top of green hydrogen could be areas to look into? I mean one key area in the future energy world will be around storage, will be around grid stability. How do we manage this? So these are definitely 2 key elements, what we're going to more and more look into. And obviously, really bringing them solutions to the market, which is not always battery, but it also could imply products more around inertia systems to stabilize grids, let's say, how can we make sure that we store energy in an effective mode also for longer term, and these are elements we're looking into. One big question, and this is more around partnering and looking as it up, if you look on grid hydrogen, the question is also what is then the next molecule to look into when you transport it for longer distance, is at the end about, let's say, bringing methanol or bringing ammonia. This is something what we at least would like to understand what is there in the offering and in terms of how is the best setup. And with this, I would pass over to Maria.

Maria Ferraro;Chief Financial Officer

executive
#82

Thank you. So going back to the cost savings. So in the Capital Market Day last year in May of 2019, this was the upsizing of the program's PG2020 and GP2020+ to commit to the EUR 1 billion. If you see in Page 24 of the presentation where we talk about the various tranches, the first tranche of those programs, the EUR 500 million, that's already realized. That was offsetting, in most part, the lower business volume. The EUR 500 million, so the second block, which is underway, the remaining EUR 500 million, we expect to have full impact on the bottom line and to realize these cost savings by fiscal year '23 as committed. So that was the commitment made. In addition, we also have the accelerated impact program in those initiatives with the quantified amount of greater than EUR 300 million. So that's on top. But if we go back to what we expect, we expect EUR 800 million of incremental recurring annual gross cost savings in the next 3 years as compared to fiscal year '18, of which, just to -- I think you said EUR 700 million, but it's not, of which we expect EUR 200 million to be realized in fiscal year '21. I hope that clarifies.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#83

All right. Thank you, everybody, for listening in -- listening, and thank you for all those questions. It was a long session. We're now going to have a 20-minute break. After the break, it's going to be a shorter session, just about 1.5 hours. And we will be waiting for Jochen and Tim to talk about service and operational excellence as well as generation and industrial applications. That's also a really good moment to wish Tim a very happy birthday. So happy birthday from all of us. And looking forward to reconnect after the break. Thanks very much. [Break]

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#84

Welcome back, everyone. I got some constructive feedback, and it was to smile more. I will try to do so. I hope everyone's reinvigorated for the next session. I'm very pleased to have Jochen Eickholt, who many of you remember as the Head of Mobility, come on stage to talk about operational excellence. Jochen, over to you.

Jochen Eickholt;Member of the Executive Board

executive
#85

Thanks, Michael. So I'm extremely happy to be here as part of the Siemens Energy team. I've been working for some, well, almost 20 years by now in Siemens, and perhaps some of the most remarkable steps in the recent past, in the year 2012, I've had the pleasure to take over the responsibility for the train business and then led the mobility division until end of '17. In those days, we did not deliver the high-speed trains in the very beginning. This is why I was called. So we rectified that. And over those years also, we developed the profitability of the business to something like more than 80%. So we really did transform the business in many dimensions. After that, I had the pleasure to be in charge of the so-called portfolio companies and also from today's perspective, with the exception of one that really extremely profitable, and I don't -- this is a very good experience for what we are up for right now. Talking about operational excellence, it has become clear, I think, from the recent presentations, that operational excellence is a strong pillar of what we would like to achieve in the future. And I think it's still helpful to remember that operational excellence for us stands on the need for value generation. Value generation for us really means achieving profitability, achieving a reasonable cash flow and also making sure that revenue as such is developing in the right direction. And this is what we are really focusing on in the sense of operational excellence. It was mentioned before that, yes, there is a couple of saving targets specified so far and that we have many concrete programs in place by now. It was specified by Maria that the operational excellence part is on the additional EUR 300 million of savings. And of course, we need to capitalize on the results, which are coming then from the other optimization programs. When we talk about operational excellence, we, in this context, would like to emphasize on basically 6 levers. It's about reshaping the footprint, and I'm trying to show a little bit why that is and how that is going to happen. We, of course, are a company with a substantial portfolio. So we need to look at the portfolio in various elements and dimensions. Project excellence was mentioned more than once. Of course, project excellence plays a big role in our business. We were talking about supply chain excellence as well. Almost 50% of our revenue really is based on material cost that needs to be taken into consideration. It was mentioned that we discuss inventory reduction, and I would like to touch on that a little bit. And obviously, the customer plays an important role. And in many cases, we had the impression that we need to get closer to the customer, and also that is something we would like to focus on a little bit in the course of the presentation. The footprint as such, in our view, is too complex. The footprint as such is too complex. We have some 104 sites globally. We have some 75 manufacturing sites, above a certain threshold of employees. And we have also almost 90 sales, service and execution sites. We have 15 R&D centers. In our view, that is too complex. It's, for the size of the business, something which is not so easy to handle. It's rather difficult to handle. It introduces quite a number of cost elements we would not like to see. And above all, there's also an element in here that is, although the markets are not like this, the value-add structure is such that our workforce is residing in best cost countries by less than 1/4. So this is really something, which, in our view, needs to be tackled, and that is what we currently are developing plans for and are going to be more specific over the next period of time. When we talk about these number of sites, it's not really about the number of sites only. It's also about the complexity, which is introduced by the sheer existence of those sites. And let me give you an example. We sometimes sell something which is called a compressor train, which is consisting of turbines and compressor systems. And in such a case and due to the current profile of the competencies across the globe, we have a situation that, for instance, a turbine is coming from Montreal in Canada. It's then being transferred for the packaging to a site which is called Finspong, which is in the middle of Sweden. Kongsberg is where the package engineering is happening. That's in Norway. We have then contributions on the compressor side coming from Düsseldorf. That is a German site. And we have then, in many cases, also design elements on the compressor side coming from Houston and Texas. And in such cases, we may even see additional test needs, validation testing, which then is supposed to be happening in Rogerville in France. And then at this point in time, still this compressor train is not at the site where it's supposed to be going. Let us assume for a second that this could also be a North American site of a customer. Then really, this is something which is adding risk, cost, lead time in a very unfavorable way. This is something which needs to be tackled. So we need to change also competence profiles across all our sites. When we look at the resulting footprint requirements, we, of course, would like to look at loss, less complexity and fewer sites. We would like to make sure that overcapacities are eliminated. In many cases, we still have capacities resulting from the previous market situation over the past years. We have not fully integrated [indiscernible] on the product side. We have not fully thought about the expansion into lead cost countries. And of course, all the possibilities of digitalization are so far not really utilized. So it means, yes, we would like to have lower cost positions, and that's the overall fundamental target behind that. Portfolio is a very important element of our offering. When we talk about the different divisions, we clearly have identified already a couple of ways to optimize the portfolio. So in the generation case, we, for instance, and that was announced, we're discussing the way forward on the coal business. And that's something where we actually try to specify now under the various assumptions and under the given circumstances how to sensibly move in that direction. We also need to focus more on high-margin products. We have perhaps a too broad portfolio, too broad portfolio on some of the turbines and also on the generator side. In the area of industrial applications, it was mentioned before, we have made a couple of decisions around the aeroderivative gas turbines. So our offering will be streamlined. And on the compressor side, there's also the possibility on the single-shaft compressors to optimize the portfolio. On the transmission side, it was mentioned that SF6-free and grid stability products, that is in the approach of being developed as a platform. And we also have brought forward standard and globally sensible design rules for really optimizing and reducing the number of variance. Project excellence is a very focus point of myself, but also of a number of colleagues. In the end of the day, what can happen to a project is typically in the arena of 2 major areas of difficulty. One is a complexity, sometimes even not fully foreseen. And the other thing, which can happen to a project typically, is delay. And those things -- both things, actually, need to be prevented. That means that we typically look at not taking everything onboard, which we possibly can. That is about being more selective. The term must-win project actually is deleted from the language of the management team. We have introduced very systematic, very much checklist-based approaches towards specifying what selectivity here means on the technical side but also on the commercial side. And when it comes to profitability, we've introduced very stringent thresholds. We would like to increase the level of projects where we have sense for partnerships in place. And of course, over time, we would like to phase out projects which do not meet our profitability targets. On the execution side, it typically starts with the requirements management. Yes, we have to understand the requirements related to the project. And we also have, with a systematic risk management, introduced an early warning system on some of the parameters, which we are looking at. Certainly, nonconformance cost prevention is our highest and utmost focus. And by doing that, we reckon to be able to reduce the nonconformance cost looking forward until fiscal '23 by more than 30%. This is very relevant. And I believe there's still a lot of diligence required, a lot of focus required by all the involved teams. But in my view, it's clearly possible, and this is what we will be working on. When it comes to -- not this single project as such, but when it comes to the portfolio of the projects we are running, one has to perhaps remember that we run some 2,700 projects these days. And for these, we typically also evaluate some performance parameters of these projects according to their life cycle. And that means we look at the complexities. We look at the empirical performance in specific regions and in specific technology fields. And it also contains the risk of loss of elements of the entire project. This approach, as such, is not new to Siemens. We introduced that approach in the Mobility division in the past years. And by doing that, we also contributed to the successful development of nonconformance cost as such, but then also we contributed to the margin development. It is relevant that we are as stable as possible also on the margin side. We had some substantial improvement in Mobility in those years. And I believe this is something where we really can capitalize on that know-how. Supply chain excellence, I mentioned. The GP, the gas and power project purchasing volume stands higher than EUR 10 billion. And in that view, we need to overcome the existing structures a little bit and move to something which we call buying from the best. That means that we probably, in all cases, have to substantially reduce the number of suppliers. The average figure certainly is above 30%. We need to make sure that we exploit sourcing levers. In many cases, we don't really senseful-y do all the possibilities which we have with global sourcing or global value sourcing. Certainly, design to cost also in the sense of cost value engineering needs to be considered. We will continue our procurement partnership with Siemens. And by this, we'll then also capitalize on the large procurement volumes. We will have a simpler procurement organization. And we will also, to some extent, digitize, make the procurement procedures much more digital. E-auctions, that is just one example for that. The aspiration is to introduce substantial cost savings on the material side. And as you can imagine, with these volumes, this is immense. Inventory reduction, Maria spoke about it, in my view, oftentimes has to do not only with a question of reducing inventories as such, but our approach has to be slightly more preventative. And allow me to mention complexity reduction, the reduction of variance, the reduction of different parts in a way, which we have in our systems as being one of the prime targets here. And this is typically a rather technical measure, which we need to focus on in the development process, but then also later on, where we're trying to phase out components which are not used anymore or where we try to phase out slow-moving parts. This is really something which will have benefits across the entire value chain of the entire manufacturing process. And therefore, we will walk hand-in-hand with our BA colleagues. Getting closer to the customers. Yes, it's very important that we focus on what the customer wishes to see. We will focus on intensified account management. We will focus on differentiation. You will get a flavor of that in the presentations around the divisions. We touched on the fact that we would like to expand our footprint in Asia. And in various cases, we would also like to make sure that the service activities are supported. In the end of the day, we reckon to have a kind of improved hit rate out of this in each and every bit and each and every project. But then also, this is going to be a decisive lever for the growth of the entire business. Now so far, we talked about some levers, which perhaps are not really surprising, but still, in our view, are the most important ones to optimize the business. We did, in my presentation, not really touch on one thing else, and that is additive manufacturing. This is a little bit more an innovation piece. It should be known that we run more than 60 printers globally for additive manufacturing, 3D printing in a way. We have some 10 years' experience of that. We are part of leading industry partnerships, and we also are serving internal and external markets with this. So let me try to give you an example. This here is a so-called vane 1, one of the blades and vanes in a turbine. This is a 10.5 kilogram piece, metal, metal alloy. It was printed layer by layer. And it's almost finished. I mean it's not the final stage, but it's almost finished. What's the benefit of all this? So first of all, this part allows the turbine to have a higher level of efficiency due to design elements in its inside, which is -- which are not really visible here, but due to design elements, which cannot be realized in the standard casting process. Secondly, the faster development is something which is extremely beneficial when it comes to time to market. We can shorten development times by 9 months and sometimes 12 months for the same part. And having these benefits, we can easier and faster approach the marketplace. In many cases, we have lower cost that has various components, as you can see. So we rather focus on a total cost of ownership approach. But please remember that for a casting process of such a piece, of such a component, we sometimes have to have specific -- component-specific tooling in place, which costs up to EUR 1 million. And since the printing as such is something which is quite unlike a casting process, and the lead time and direction time of the entire supply chain is different, it doesn't need to be put in the inventory. It doesn't need to be put on stock. And therefore, lower inventory also, in my view, has a substantial contribution to the benefits of using this technology. With this technology, we are one of the leading players in our business, and we will clearly focus on developing that position further. So trying to summarize the operational excellence bit a little bit. We, with operational excellence, think operational excellence is a strong pillar to reach our fiscal '23 targets. You see on the chart, the EBITA margin and the cash conversion rates, the target as such was specified Maria beforehand. This is really, I think, an extremely strong pillar for achieving those things. The defined measures are about reshaping the footprint. I mentioned that. The portfolio streamlining. So our portfolio elements are not really the ones, under our circumstances, which are profitable enough. We do have project excellence in our mind. And I spoke about the 2 categories under which we see the related measures. We talked about supply chain excellence with the 6 levers for supply chain excellence we can put in place rather swiftly. We talked about the inventory reduction, and we talked about the very fact that the customer is of utmost importance, and therefore, we'd like to focus a little bit more on him. So these are the major levers. We, of course, perhaps also here need to mention that in many cases, we by now have a new organization in place. We have new leadership teams. We have fresh views, fresh pairs of eyes. And in many cases, we also have a different incentive and target structure in here implemented, which covers the kind of end-to-end responsibility. And that is not exactly the picture we had before. So this more holistic responsibility for the new people in the new functions, I believe, will also substantially contribute to the success of operational excellence. Thank you for now. And the next step then is, Tim, on the service side.

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#86

Thanks, Jochen. So good morning, good afternoon, everybody. Maybe before we start, a bit of introduction from my side. Some of you might know me from last year's CMD, and I will certainly miss the evening conversation about possible service margins, but I guess that has to wait for the next CMD. I'm probably the fossil in the management team. I've been 25 years with Siemens, always in the energy business. And of that, almost 18 years in the service business, both on the sales and operations side. I was for 4 years running the wind service business. And my last position was really leading the service division, taking over from Randy and then the last 2 years being the COO of the GP opco. So service, as you can see, I'm passionate about service. Service is what matters. It's also how our customers make the money. Only if their turbines are running, if our products are running, can they earn the revenue that they need. And this is also the part of the business that builds relationships, really powerful relationships that last many, many years. It's also a very good business for us to be in. And it will be a good business for us to be in going forward. That's really important. The margins are workable. They're set in the contract. And we have a clear plan how we preserve those margins and even expand on them. So if you look at the overview, what is the service business. And on this slide, you see both the GP service business as well as the SGRE service business. My colleague or my ex-colleague and good friend, Juan Gutierrez, just recently took over that. He talked in the Capital Market Day last week about the SGRE service. So what I will be concentrating on is what you see on the left side. And as you can see, really strong backlog. I'm going to go a bit into detail how that backlog had developed over the last couple of years. Strong service revenue and a strong service share. And in the middle here, you really see the drivers, what makes service work. I think you all know, it's a key profit contributor, but it's also very important that we focus on R&D and productivity and expand our digital offerings. Later in the presentation, I'll go a bit into detail that really make the service business work for us. And at the end, the service is the backbone of the Siemens Energy. And I can ensure you, we really have also world-class margins in the service business, and we intend to keep it that way going forward. So going a bit into the service business, what do we do? And maybe let's go first on the right-hand side. This just really shows what the service is all about. If we start at the upper part, it's the transactional services that we do. It's about 40% of our business. It's the book and bill business, meaning we take the order in a fiscal year, we execute it, and we turn it into revenue and profit. Basically parts, field service repairs, but it's a very well-oiled machine to make this happen for our customers, concentrating on the main outage seasons that exist around the globe. Then the next level is really the service programs, the LTPs, the long-term programs, as we know them. It's when we sell a contract for a duration of time, execute multiple outages, do lifetime extensions, mods and ups, all that. And I'm going to go a bit into detail in the following slide to really show you how the LTP work and how we, as Siemens Energy work the LTP to get the maximum value out of it. And then it's really the extension of the scope, the extended scope. It's the O&M, where we run the plan, work 24/7 at the plant. Day and night, we know exactly what's going on. Additional opportunity to pull through revenue and profit and then also what we call brownfield exchange, one of the programs we're recently focused on. I have a couple of examples later, how we really turn that also into a nice extension of our portfolio. And then last but not least, it's really the digital services. It's really how do we use digital to expand our offerings, but also grow new business fields, and you see a bit later on. If we go to the left side, you really see how the service revenue is broken down. I think Maria already showed you all the detailed numbers around it, but it really show the large portion on generation, mostly driven by the large gas turbines, but also a portion on steam and generators. Then on the industrial application, also mostly driven by the industrial gas turbines, the aeroderivatives, but also a good size in the compression and in the industrial steam turbine and then a small part on transmission, but also very much a growth potential. You'll hear a bit later on that in the transmission presentation about it, but also one area that we are going to focus on. So if we go into the breakdown also by type and also by region, I think the main message here, it's truly a global fleet. And also throughout the COVID crisis, this has helped us. As certain parts of the world locked down, others were still open or had already reopened. So that gives us also the resilience that we can go back to the sites and carry out the service activities. Also it shows the part where we have less of a fleet, Asia-Pacific, Middle East, Latin America. Those are the growth regions where we see a bit more opportunities and also where more of the new fleet is hitting the ground. And then on the right-hand side, you also see the key revenue contributor is really the gas turbines, both on the large side and the generation division, but also in the Industrial Application division with the AGTs and small gas turbines. A good portion of steam, and I'll go a bit into that later. But also really want to point out, steam is not the large steam that we always talk about, getting out of coal. Also nuclear units sit in there, the industrial steam, the steam turbines that are attached to a gas turbine on the combined cycle. And even there, there's quite a bit of good potential there. And then you see the compression and the others, which also provide good opportunities. But in terms of service event and how much revenue you can extract per unit, a bit smaller, but still very, very valuable to us. So if I go into the LTP and go a bit into detail how this works. So on the right-hand side, those are kind of the key components of service activities that we do in energy. So every turbine has a regular service intervals to really maintain the performance and the availability and their sequence. Some are smaller, and then every couple of years, you do a major hot gas pass inspection where you just have a larger scope that you exchange and address in the service activities. Also, the timing of the outages is really dependent on how much the units run but also how many starts they have, and that's really important also. Some of the questions that might come up is peaking applications. Also there, there's opportunity on the service work. So the main message is as long as the fleet is running, and that's our -- really the aim to keep the unit running as much as we can, we will book service revenues. Very important to keep that into mind. So if we go to the left side of the slide, you see the doughnut that Christian showed in his presentation earlier kind of unrolled. So how does it work when we sign a long-term program? So I think the first important area that I want to point out is really when we sign the contract. This is when we signed the LTP for 12 years of the operation. This is where we fix the price, including escalation on the price. So the price is set in and the fees we receive throughout the program. Then it takes roughly between 2 to 4 years until the unit is installed, commissioned and starts running. So that's when the actual service activities will start to begin. And you see a series of minor inspections, very little work, and then about 5 years after the start, so 7 years after you signed the program, the first large service activity starts. And then 5 years later is the next one and the next one and the next one. Each of these large opportunities really gives us the chance to also go in and sell mods and upgrades, improvements on efficiency, improvements on availability, output. Dependent on what the customer needs, we can improve really the operation of the unit and improve the revenue stream for the customer and continue the service activity through the lifetime. And then at the end of the year, there's always the opportunity to upsell, which is a bit also what we call the brownfield exchange. So that's, in a nutshell, is how the LTP program works. So now the question is, where -- how has the service developed over the last years? We talked about the backlog expansion. On the left side, you see how the service backlog has grown over the last 3 years. So very nice growth rates from EUR 32 billion that we had in the backlog up to EUR 35 billion. So we have added to the backlog over the last year despite everything you heard on the market in terms of the market of large units going down. I think that's the first important message here. And you can also see 70% of the GP backlog sits in that service backlog. In terms of a bit looking ahead, how do we see for the major product lines, the growth outlook? Start at the top, it's the large gas turbines. So in terms of adding more fleet, we see it flattish but -- and also in terms of how much revenue per unit can we expect over the next years, we see it also flattish. So on the large gas turbines for the service, stable outlook, which I think is also a very important message. Picture a bit different on the smaller ones, on the IGTs and AGTs. Here, we see clearly the trend to smaller units in the market. A lot of more SGT-800s being sold and installed and commissioned. So also there, in terms of fleet additions and revenue, an uptick, and that fits the overall trend to decentralization, but also good for us. It's a smaller gas turbine, but the same mechanism applies. On steam, of course, a lot of fleet retirements on the coal-to-gas shift, but also there, quite stable because we still have a large nuclear business, we have still a large industrial steam business and we have also, on the combined cycle, a good business that goes together with the large gas turbines and also stable outlook in terms of revenue per unit. And I talked a bit already on the transmission. There, of course, I think Christian talked in the morning also about adding more sensors, digitalization, the IoT, making the transformer smarter, making the switch gears more smarter, plus also different business model, helping customers operate the systems. Also there, it's not rotating, so not as much potential, but also pockets of growth that we will see. So in terms of how that's -- what we just showed relate into wins and how good are we at adding these scope to our business, on the left-hand side, you see some recent wins. All the way to the left, you see how we expand the LTPs into the smaller units, be it Israel, be it Egypt for the SGT and the A65. So similar approach like in the past with the LGTs applied to the smaller units. In the middle, you see the expansion on the O&M side. So when we take the plant to operate it, pull additional revenue through, also some nice wins. And you see the duration, really nice operating plan for 20 years and being there day-by-day together with the customer. And then the one on the right-hand side, the brownfield exchange is also what I talked about, where we take a turbine that's at the end of the life, the customer still wants to operate the power plant, that's where we drop on -- drop in a new turbine. It's not a new unit bid. We do it from the service side. And as you can imagine, better margin potential there than if you have an open bid on a new power plant. The right-hand side really shows what I told you earlier. We're only going to make the money if the power plant runs, if the gas turbine runs. These are the gas turbine utilization rates for our fleet. And you can see nice upward trends. Unfortunately, a bit down in the Middle East due to the additions of a lot of solar capacity. But globally, for our fleet, the trend is up. And in addition, I just got the latest numbers for fiscal -- for '20. Year-to-date, we're actually a bit higher than last year. So even with a small dip due to COVID, the number is about the same. And the more hours we clock, the more service opportunities we have in the next following months because that's really causing the wear and tear. So I told you a bit about how the LTP works, how we -- the price is set. So in terms of working the margin, it's really all about innovation and productivity because the price is set, and now it's really for us to work the cost basis. And even so, you see some price pressure in the market. It's really all important how we work the productivity and decrease our cost faster than we see maybe some of the pricing pressure that we have seen in the past. And there's different ways how we do it. One, and you see that on the left-hand side, is how can we use parts multiple times. That is really the focus on improved repairs, or instead of putting a new part in, can we repair a part. And you see there 2 examples that we use. I think the enhanced brazing is a good example. It really lowers the cost by 30% on the repair. That lower cost, of course, goes into the LTP and helps us work those service margins. In the middle part, you see really it's all about really getting utilization up and shortening outage time when we're at the site, when we're doing activities, just to see on field service utilization just by multi-scaling our workforce using digital tools, better scheduling, better preparation, we're able to increase utilization by 8% of our field service force. And then you see the other one using really tools for rapid removal of parts during the outage, and that really helps us to shorten the outage schedule. And one good example we recently had in the Middle East, in Dubai, the outage schedule for a major used to be 42 days. We shortened that to 13 days. Of course, the customer is happy because he has more uptime, he makes more revenue. And for us on the LTP, we can really work the cost basis. And then the last one, really important is the download of the technology from the advanced frames, better vane designs. Jochen already showed an example. Also how do we optimize the housing on the burners, and that really goes down into cost down. The right example on the right-hand side is about 30% cost down. Left-hand side, vane design, about 20% cost down. So all that goes into the existing fleet and helps us to manage the service better. Very important also, digital. I just want to make the statement. We're making money in digital. This is not just a hobby or big scale. This is also for us to really help us improve the service profitability, and we look at it threefold. One is really what we call internal digitization. It's how do we help our workforce, how do we use technology to do things better, faster, leaner, more simple. One of is, is we introduced a new tool for the digital outage process called Polaris (sic) [ Polarion ]. So instead of paper, a lot of back and forth between the site and engineering, this is all automated. The middle really shows how do we enrich the offerings, and a good example is really remote services. Yes, we have done remote monitoring, but we have expanded quite a bit on it. And I think COVID has really proven that these are of real value to the customer, but we tack these on to the LTP and sell that with the offering, help expanding the revenue we can extract per unit but also make the LTP much more attractive also for renewals for our customer. And then you see the upper is really the new business. This is really software as a service. I think a good example is what we do in cybersecurity, big headache for our customers, where we help them really to make their plants more secure or our Omnivice, where it's all about helping to -- all units perform better using software. I think overfiring is a good example. If the customer can make a lot of money, like in the recent energy crisis that we've seen in California, you can overfire, basically generate more megawatts and get the right return for the more wear and tear that you see. So to wrap it up, I think service is a great business to be in. I'm passionate about it, not just personally, but also for the potential it has. It gives us also the opportunity to have constant customer touches, upsell opportunities, more expand the LTP and really use also then the digital and innovation to work the business. And as I said in my intro, it's not a good -- just a good business for us to be in now, but also for the future going forward. Thank you. And with that, I think, Michael and Jochen back on stage.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#87

Thank you very much, Tim. Jochen is coming as well. So now we've got a 20-minute Q&A, and I ask you to please focus on service and operational excellence as the divisions will come later. [Operator Instructions] So we'll wait a minute. Right. And the first question comes from Ben Uglow. Ben?

Ben Uglow

analyst
#88

Tim, on the service business, could you just give us a little qualitative help in terms of thinking about the difference in the margin profile between what you see in large gas turbines and what you typically see in industrial applications? If we go back historically, we've got quite a lot of data around the Dresser-Rand business, for example. So we can see in the past what the high-low margin ranges were for Dresser. My impression, and my impression may be wrong, so please tell me if that's the case, is that the IGT-AGT portion is both lower margin and typically goes up and down a lot more than the large gas turbine market. So is that sort of profile broadly correct?

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#89

So if you look, and maybe you remember the chart I've shown. I've shown the gas turbines and then the compressors and the steam. I think traditional Dresser business, they didn't have any own gas turbines. So their business was focused on compression and steam turbines. So the margins -- and I have to say, even in there, I think there's comparable margins if you deduct for maybe better operational execution between the 2 companies. I think if you then go to the gas turbines and the large and also the medium and AGTs, I would say, margins are more comparable. Maybe one additional information. What we have generally seen with -- at Siemens, we have worked really the LTPs and the large gas turbines for a long time and really maximized the margins. I think on the smaller gas turbines, we had the acquisition back in the day from Alstom, AGT from Rolls-Royce, so we had potential really to apply everything we have learned and also some of the other practices to really lift it up to that level. So yes, based -- a little bit of margin difference but not significant. That's how I would answer it.

Ben Uglow

analyst
#90

That's helpful. So basically, what -- and again, I don't want to -- I understand that there are some sensitivities around the margin data, et cetera. But what you're basically telling us is if the IGT-AGT -- or the Alstom business, the Rolls business, the Dresser business, et cetera, and the small business grows more, the arrows are pointing up, that's not going to have a significantly diluted mix effect on your service margin? Is that your sort of working assumption?

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#91

On a very, very high level, yes, right? I mean there's always regional differences, how you lock the pricing in back in the day. But I mean, overall, no.

Ben Uglow

analyst
#92

Okay. And can I ask just one quick follow-up? And it's a 10,000-foot view. Obviously, when we -- we listen to what GE and Mitsubishi and all these other guys say, it does seem odd that Siemens is able to maintain such high service margins when clearly some of your competitors have had a very, very different experience. What in your opinion has Siemens done differently that's protected that margin?

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#93

I think it's historic development, right? I mean I think there was a time where I think you guys always said, GE has had much higher-margin and Siemens is not as good. I think it has now flipped a bit. But I think -- I mean, over time, I think throughout the history, different acquisitions. We learned a lot from the Westinghouse acquisition back in the day. Gas turbine boom really worked. I mean I talked about the innovation and the R&D, spending about EUR 200 million a year on service R&D and really focusing on what matters, right? Setting the -- or locking in the right price when we signed the LTP and then really working the cost basis over time and really squeezing the maximum out of the cost. And also, I think -- but also, I would say, a regional profile, you see some differences region by region. That could also be a factor.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#94

Thank you. Next question comes from Alex Virgo. Alex?

Alexander Virgo

analyst
#95

Hopefully, you can hear me okay. Just a question again to Tim on service in terms of software comment you made. I'm just wondering if you could give us a little bit of help in understanding maybe the extent of the penetration that you would argue is in the installed base or in the service offering as things stand with respect to software. And then how you see the opportunity and how that kind of underpins some of the growth or some or some of the market share ambitions, I think, you have. Just trying to understand how to frame that, really.

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#96

So I think it's probably twofold, right? I mean on the installed base, where we have an LTP, that's probably the easiest sell because we have the customer contact. I also talked about the O&M, some of the O&M plants we have equity stakes. So those are kind of the pilot customers. We try it out. We demonstrate the value and then it's easier with those use cases to sell it to the existing customers. Also clearly, we're -- for now, we're addressing our own fleet. We're not going on competitor fleet with those software offerings. And I think it's then really building that digital portfolio. Yes, we're still scaling up, but I think the scaling factor that you see and the potential by applying it to more fleet and expanding the offerings, I think that's what's really giving us the potential and the value. And that is not just on rotating. This is also, as we heard in the morning, and you will see a bit later. It's also on the transmission side. It's really how do you go from sensor to data to insights that bring value for the customer.

Alexander Virgo

analyst
#97

But can you give us a flavor for how big it is right now? How many -- I don't know how many units connected or some form of qualification or even qualification, some way of giving us an idea, a frame of reference to be able to go?

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#98

Yes. I mean it varies from the scope. I mean I can tell you all the LTPs we have or all the units are connected. I think Jochen and his generation presentation will show the percentages. So in general, the more complex, the more connected it is. So we start with the LGTs, also IGTs, AGTs, that's kind of the core. And you see the number of units are probably in the 2,000s roughly. And then you build from there. That's kind of the rough estimate.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#99

Right. Thanks. Next question comes from Gael de-Bray. Gael?

Gael de-Bray

analyst
#100

I have 2 questions, please, if you can hear me well. The first question is about the recent trends. I mean, June, July, August in terms of gas-based electricity generation in terms of gas turbine utilization rates and also in terms of the potential shift in terms of the schedules of the outage plans, basically, how you see the recent momentum right now. The second question is a bit more long term. What could actually be the various scenarios and the cost associated to a potential phaseout of the coal-fired power generation business.

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#101

Okay. Maybe let me start with the first one, utilization rate. So I think the biggest dip you really have seen in April, May, and now June, July has kind of gone back up. Also, a bit depending on the regions. Lockdown and also economical lockdown driving less power consumption. So that's a bit -- you see these regional kind of flavors in there. But overall, globally, we're back to the number we have seen both in June and July. In terms of impact on outages, if we look at our outage profile that we had for this year, and these are outages that we're going to perform, so far, we have -- the fiscal year ends in -- 4 weeks from now. So we have -- and those are Q3 numbers, I have to add. So Q4 is not in there. We have finished about 72% of the outages we have planned. It looks like we're going to finish 78% this fiscal year, 16% shifted and then the rest got canceled. But actually, we added even some in because the customer wanted to really pull some forward. So it's not gone. It just shifted. The majority -- the portion that wasn't there, but almost 80% that happened, I think that's a good number given the lockdown and that we couldn't get to site to perform the work.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#102

Cool. Thank you. Let's head over to the next question. Next question comes from Martin Wilkie. Martin?

Martin Wilkie

analyst
#103

It's Martin from Citi. So a couple of questions. The first one is on operational excellence. I think you made a comment during the presentation that Dresser-Rand wasn't fully integrated with the rest of Siemens. I remember at the time of the acquisition, the synergies were targeted through 2019. So just to understand, is that an incremental opportunity to get Dresser-Rand more integrated with the rest of Siemens Energy from here? Or were some of those initial synergies not yet achieved? And second question, just on service. We've seen some markets like the U.K. move towards a capacity market for generation, where obviously, your customer would then be paid to sort of have a turbine available as opposed to being paid per kilowatt hour. Does that change how you would sign a service contract? Are you seeing any changes in the market as some customers move towards this capacity system?

Jochen Eickholt;Member of the Executive Board

executive
#104

Well, thank you. Thank you for that question. So the integration, Dresser-Rand. Now that is a question a little bit tricky for me to answer. I just joined some months ago. And I'm not fully aware of all the details in the past, starting from those points you mentioned. Clearly, however, I mean, we've made different kinds of progress and different levels of progress on the service side and on the -- as on the product side. On the product side, in my view, there are still potentials, which we can lift. And in that extent, we are looking forward to further optimizing our structures. So that was the Dresser-Rand piece, yes?

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#105

Yes. And maybe I'll add one piece because I'm also involved on the IT for Siemens Energy. I think on the IT integration, there's still -- we're in the final stage of integrating the ERP system. So there's a bit of integration there. Organizationally, it was integrated 2 years ago, a bit faster in service now on the new unit side. So I think also kind of standardizing engineering systems. So on the system side, there's quite a bit -- or there were some leftovers that needed to get done. But from a process standpoint, I think most of it was done, as Jochen just said. Now on the -- your question on capacity and how contracts are being signed, this will have definitely an impact. I mean, I think, the big question is, will a customer just use an existing gas turbine for capacity? Will somebody build a plan just for capacity? Or is that going to be storage or some other means? I think that remains to be seen. I think the -- and we've seen that shift also over the last years. It's not so much the pure vanilla service contract. A lot more is on flexibility. And if you have a turbine that's purely on capacity, I think it goes about ramp-up rates, how quickly can you be in the market, can you overfire. I mean all about these flexibility terms that are important. So yes, that needs to be addressed. But I say we already have, in many cases, hybrids, where we allow for that. So it's kind of an evolution of the hybrid into something that's more geared towards a capacity machine.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#106

And the next question comes from Andre Kukhnin. Andre?

Andre Kukhnin

analyst
#107

I wanted to ask about service and what proportion of your revenues are covered by LTPs? Or what proportion of your maintenance base is covered by LTPs? And also would you have a retention ratio for your units from kind of initial service contract signing to how many of them remain in service or serviced by Siemens through lifetime?

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#108

Okay. 2 very good questions. I think you will see numbers in Jochen's presentation on kind of retention for [ EFH ] class. But I think on retention, I think the important part -- and going back to my unrolled doughnut, and I mean, that has been our strategy always along, never let an LTP expire and don't wait for an LTP to expire to start the renegotiation. We have multiple opportunities to go into the engine during these major outages, and that's also where we start the discussion to extend the LTP. So we have a very proactive approach to making sure we don't wait for the LTP to expire, but come in with technology, with improved performance to make the unit more profitable for the customer and at the same time, also looking, has the business model of the customer changed and then extending the LTP. So that was the first one. Just give me -- and what was -- the first question was on revenue out of LTPs. It depends a bit on -- I told you, the book and bill business is about 40%. So 60% of the revenue we do comes out of backlog. Now we have some book plus 1 in there, but that's fairly small. So just very high level, I would say about 50% comes from the LTP. Now I will also tell you the number -- the LTP number in generation is much higher than on the industrial application, also due to the fact that we have more industrial steam turbines in there, more compressors in there, more of the smaller, the recip engine. So I think on the generation side, very significant. On the IA side, probably a bit smaller, but overall, around 50% out of LTPs.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#109

Right. Okay. Before we close the Q&A, I give Jochen the chance to answer Gael de-Bray's second question, which we missed.

Jochen Eickholt;Member of the Executive Board

executive
#110

Yes. That was the question around the cost impact of the coal exit. Now this is something we right now work on because that a little bit depends on the scenario we're looking at and what this really means and under which circumstances existing resources can be used or existing capacities can be used. Another element here is that we also look at that internationally. So it's not really a situation to be discussed around 1 or 2 sites. There is more involved. The scenarios are going to be developed. But right now, it looks a little bit like, yes, quite some of the existing capacities can be used for other purposes. And therefore, we are now trying to balance the situation a little bit.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#111

Thank you. And with that, Tim gets a break, but Jochen has to stay on stage. So he will talk us through generation industrial applications before we will have a break and the Q&A for all the 4 divisions will actually happen after transmission and Andreas Nauen's presentation on SGRE after -- in the next session. So over to Jochen.

Jochen Eickholt;Member of the Executive Board

executive
#112

Thanks, Michael. So here, I have the pleasure to speak about -- certainly, all divisions are exciting, so this is clearly also a very exciting division. I believe also some of the questions, which came up in the Q&A subparts will be answered in the course of these presentations. So hopefully, I believe that provides additional clarity. So generation is one of our bigger businesses that was mentioned and specified before. We are typically distinguishing between devices greater and smaller than 100 megawatts. And also, we have, of course, the service to be discussed, but the market share figures allow us to state that on the distributed side, so for the smaller ones, we really can consider us as the #1 in the global marketplace. And for the larger ones, we can be seen as the #2. Customer groups vary. The good message from our side is that all the different customer groups all have their specificities, are almost evenly balanced. And therefore, this provides additional resilience to our business actually. What are these devices we're discussing about? So first of all, let me take the example of the so-called HL class, a heavy-duty gas turbine. This is really state-of-the-art technology. And it's also physically massive in size, if you look at the dimensions. Most impressive, I find that with these 50-hertz turbines, you go up to almost 600 megawatts. When it comes to the 60-hertz megawatts, we even go far above that. But with this example here, we are able to provide power for more than 3 million people. And also, if that calculation has taken up, yes, we would be able to contribute to the CO2 emission reduction in the equivalent of around 1 million cars -- around 1 million passenger cars. Quite impressive I find. On the right side, you see an industrial gas turbine, typically in the range of 62, 65 megawatts. A little bit smaller in size, but clearly, one of our best-selling devices. We've been able to sell some 400 of these products. And it has the capability to burn H2 up to 50% as a fuel per today already. So already here, it becomes clear that, yes, changing the fueling of the turbines is one of the path towards the future. Talking numbers. It was mentioned before that, yes, we stand in the division of generation for 28% of the Siemens Energy total revenue. And it's also specified that we have typically a little bit above EUR 8 billion of revenue in these devices. We have an order backlog of EUR 33 billion. And we have the pleasure of having some 27,000 employees with us. Looking forward, when it comes to the field of generation and some of its specifics, I would appreciate to be able to outline a little bit of the positioning regarding the facts why we understand ourselves as a market leader. Yes, service, also in this context, is a strong pillar of our business. When it comes to the energy transition and the way forward, we, of course, would like to make a little clearer why -- that we can differentiate in the marketplace and how that is happening. And in the end of the day, I would also like to spend some words on the value generation for us, for our company in this field. So in our view, we have a rather broad spectrum of devices to be offered. And when it comes to all the studies, all the different market studies, they typically are aligned in the fact that in large gas turbines, we can understand ourselves as the #2 in the marketplace. And also, we have the second largest installed fleet in turbines in assets above 100 megawatt. Distributed generation, we've made substantial progress over the most recent years. And in industrial gas turbines, we are a clear #1. And that also holds true for industrial steam turbines. It was mentioned that some element about the service of business of this division are going to be specified. 25% of the overall installed large asset fleet comes from Siemens. And the service relationship, once it's there, typically lasts on average for 16 to 18 years. So this is quite substantial and quite a long and lengthy partnership. And that's something really to be taken care of because we are really interested in maintaining such a long and lasting partnership. We are also regionally quite diverse. We are active across the globe. We have also here kind of evenly, almost evenly distributed situation across the globe, obviously, with slight differences. We have to bear in mind under these circumstances that, yes, local needs typically differ from region to region, from country to country. Each region, each country has its own energy transition road map. And therefore, we need to be able to optimize our offering according to those customer needs. We have various projects here mentioned as examples for those offerings. So let me take the combined heat and power project in Marl. This is an industry project. And we have had a very high efficiency in our offering here. The turbine was -- or the plant was in the size of some 90 megawatts. When it comes to Egypt, Egypt was mentioned before with various parameters. I think 1 parameter not mentioned so far today is that, yes, we installed just short of 15 gigawatt for the entire country and overall 3 sites. So it is relevant that with the help of these additional installations, Egypt, as it was stated before, really becomes an exporter of energy rather than the other way around. In Lincoln County in the U.S., we were able to introduce our latest technology on the 60-hertz side, the HL-class. We formed a specific partnership. And in fact, it's really an intensified partnership where also a lot of our testing can be conducted, and it's a very fruitful way forward. Korea, on the other side, again, our solutions also are around providing more than 1 gigawatt with efficiencies of more than 63%. So I believe this is quite impressive. The market, as such, was specified before. The market, as such, is transforming. We have, first of all, the situation of the large gas turbine side, it was mentioned before in the past, like 2014. There was a global demand of some 200 units. And that has fallen dramatically this demand, down to 70% to 80%. Now this is right now also the demand we foresee as a kind of stable calculation assumption. And this size also is what we base our capacity considerations on. We don't want to be over optimistic what possibly the market can develop too. We rather like to be on the safe side here. We will continue to grow in industrial gas turbines. Also, when it comes to hybrid solutions we foresee a decline in large steam alongside coal. The large steam or coal decline here is specified with 9%, and that is, in our view, quite dramatic overall. It helps also a little bit in the overall consideration of how to move forward with these capacities. Industrials team is a different kind of product class. Perhaps it's remarkable that by now, the majority of our assets are really used -- are really being used for a combined waste heat usage and also biomass as a kind of fuel plays more and more of a role. We see an increased demand for retrofit and modernization and service. I think that was stated before. In principle, the market is almost stable. The total market we look at is almost stable. We see some growth in industrial gas and steam, and we see a modest decline in gas. So still under various aspects, a very attractive market looking forward. When it comes to gas, we continue to see that as a key technology for the future, also for energy transition. We see that the gas-based power generation, up to 25, in our view, will increase by another 17%. So yes, in the future, there will be more generated power by gas in the foreseeable range. Our offerings are about new gas plants and mostly also combined heat and power plants or combined cycle plants. And coal-to-gas is something where we see increasingly a trend if a customer wants to develop and further develop a site. We see the shift to hydrogen that was mentioned before for co-firing. Brownfield engine exchange is something where even with the same technology substantial progress can be made on efficiency, but then also on the emission side. So after the life cycle of an existing engine, a new engine really can help to reduce emissions. Yes. And then we also talked about hybrid solutions in all combinations, and there's further examples on that to come. We have, in many cases, really a leading role. So even if in the total market we sometimes are #2, in some market niches we still can be seen as the #1. Let me talk about the F-class, where we clearly have the latest figures, recall a 44% market share. And that is something which is really successful across the globe. Here, we have the example of a Pakistan customer. But really, I mean, this is a recipe for success. The HL-class was introduced also on the 50 hertz side with a customer in Keadby in the U.K. And also that, in our view, is moving actually better than planned. And therefore, we are sort of closing the gap. The SGT-800 on the industrial gas side I mentioned. Here, we have specified a Thailand customer, but there's also customers across the globe. This product was sold almost 400 times. And then we have the industrial steam side, where we wanted to maintain the leadership in a very fragmented market. Here, we have to be clear that exactly the preparation of different fuels makes a differentiating element for us. So far, we talked about the turbines and the machines. But it was mentioned that, specifically here in generation, we actually are prepared for bigger projects. Egypt now was mentioned, but projects also of substantial size are being carried out. For instance, right now in France, there is a combined cycle power plant to be fully commissioned by the end of '21. We talk about Brazil, gas to power solutions where in the case of our cooperation there, we are about to install a 1.3 gigawatt project, a power plant as an EPC. And on the combined heat and power side, I personally had the pleasure to open with a customer, Vattenfall, the Berlin-Marzahn plant, where also, for instance, district heating is provided for up to 150,000 households. So we continue to manage projects successfully under the assumptions that, yes, our project excellence measures will be successful. And only then the risk, in our view, will be acceptable. We have spoken about the attractiveness of the service business. Now some more information items here. We have some 25% of the overall global existing fleet. That is equaling 3,500 units. Also, that is equally distributed across the globe. Perhaps noteworthy, we have seen in the past a growth of 4% per annum on the service order backlog from '17 to '19. So this is, in our view, first of all, remarkable. And secondly, also extremely beneficial for the reasons, for instance, specified by Tim. And also, it should be noted that the majority of the revenue really is coming from gas rather than from coal. So although our scenario on the exit of coal so far contains the continued partnership with the customer on the coal service side, not on the new unit side, but on the coal service side, still here gas is the more beneficial part. When it goes to the installed fleet as such, sometimes the question is of relevance, is this fleet now growing or not? This installed fleet, is that growing or not? We foresee a 6% fleet growth until fiscal '25. And that then obviously is the basis for further service contracts in the different formats. When it comes to the overall large devices, it's also noteworthy that the larger the turbine, the larger the machine is, the more intense typically our operation and maintenance partnership with the customers is. And that, in most cases, is also covered by LTP. So really, we, first of all, intensify our partnerships with the larger devices. We grow our installed fleet. And also, we generate new business in the way, which is also mentioned by Tim, when it comes to brownfield engine exchange or digital offerings as it was specified. And also with customers like Uniper, we are right now working on decarbonization road maps. In distributed, we'd like to come up with a more focused go-to-market approach. I specified that also in operational excellence. We have the pleasure to be able to base that on superior products. I mentioned the #1 SGT-800. And pricing and delivery excellence typically help us to actually develop those market shares. And in many cases, there is a trend to the positive, and we want to see that continuing. Obviously, decarbonization plays a bigger role. And there's various examples of what we actually do right now. For instance, when it comes to the fuel switch and hybridization, the Stadtwerke Leipzig is a prominent example. Perhaps also a relevant example is the deep decarbonization concept, which is the subject of the HYFLEXPOWER project. It is relevant here that on an international basis we have some cooperation of power-to-X-to-power. The chain is going to be complete. It's going to be the first really industrial test case for all these activities. And the target is that we really, in the end, will have a fully hydrogen-based demonstration for the complete chain of the hydrogen generation from renewables fueling then turbines. The hydrogen, as such, wants to be seen as part of the storage so the entire chain wants to be completed. We have digital offerings which were not mentioned before, but in our view play a different and increasingly important role. So first of all, we have developed intelligent controllers for gas turbines, intelligent turbine controllers, which help to optimize the turbine efficiency in operation but also help to reduce the NOx emission. On top of that, we have developed fleet management suites, which allowed to address a growing market really. I mean, this is really developing very positively. And also with the help of that solution, we are able to increase the fleet efficiency substantially. We have had solutions where we also move from remote management to different kinds of service models. We controlled power plants with few or no people on-site. So the development from remote to autonomous in this context plays a big role, and this intelligence is something which is highly driven by us and the colleagues on the digital side. And of course, there are various examples, for instance, for also using drone technology for monitoring installations. When we look at the numbers, the numbers were presented. There is no doubt that there is optimization needed. When we talk about the top line, it's kind of okay but still perhaps should be developing much more positively. We spoke about the successful HL launch. But of course, we talked about the value generation with the various levers, and that wants to be clearly an element of focus here also going forward. So that means that, yes, growth will be focused around distributed. But also, in the other areas, we would like to really capture our market share. But when it comes to profitability elements, we discussed the optimization of the footprint. We discussed the project excellence. We discussed the portfolio optimization also in this context. And clearly, the cost optimization will contribute to the positive development. We will continue with our cost-out programs. Again, here, it should perhaps be mentioned that new management and organizational structures are in place. And again, here, we have now fresh views. We have fresh pairs of eyes and that will certainly help to develop the business positively forward. With that, I would leave with generation, almost. The conclusion is still there. We want to be the clear leader in distributed generation. We continue to be highly competitive in central generation. Monetizing on our position in gas is really a key for us. We will continue to be a service powerhouse. Please remember, more than 50% of the revenue are from service. We would like to be the partner of choice for decarbonization and on a clear path to value generation. The levers will be pulled which we specified before. So this, I believe, now is the presentation on generation. Thank you. I continue with the next division. So another most exciting division I have the pleasure of being in charge of is what I would like to introduce to you now. Industrial Applications, it was mentioned before, is in fact a variety of offerings. We offer to various kinds of industries, and we'll come to that a little later, process industries mostly. And when it comes to the traditional oil and gas activities, but also there to different customer bases. We feel at home in the areas of downstream, midstream, upstream. But of course, this is not the portfolio of a company like Schlumberger so that we don't have oilfield pumps, other things. We will come to that a little later. In many cases, we discuss rotating equipment, but we also discuss electrical, automation and digitalization portfolio elements. We have a revenue share of 60% from service coming from the fleet of 79,000 installed devices. And that is massive. That is a huge benefit. This is really one of our strength, in my view, and this is really how we can also develop the economic side of the division forward. In many cases, specifically in the process industries, we have per customer rather a large number of devices. So in our fields, we actually do play a role of relevance also in the eyes of the customer. And that is clearly a basis for extension. We spoke about the fact that we are strongly present beyond oil and gas purely, so when it comes to industries and process industries where safety of the process, stability of the process, reliability of the process matter. We obviously have offerings in the field of chemicals. We offer solutions and products for air separation, so for also gas operation, if you wish. We have solutions in-house for pulp and paper for the fiber part of the business. Metals and mining is something we look at. We have a strong offering on the marine side, specifically oil and gas, but also non-oil and gas. And of course, we have the distributed generation on the service side. On the upstream side of oil and gas, we support the onshore and the offshore drilling. And we oftentimes are being asked to provide our offerings also for midstream portfolio elements. Downstream, as I said in many cases, compression is the core element of what's being asked for also petrochemical applications, but also then their classical power generation applications needs to be part of the discussion. Looking at Industrial Applications in numbers, they stand and actually represents some 18% of the Siemens Energy share in total. As I said, 60% is service, 40% is new units. We have the pleasure to look at the backlog of EUR 11 billion. We have orders at hand, typically in the range of EUR 6.8 billion per annum. And we have revenue of EUR 5.1 billion. 17,000 employees are part of that team. When we talk about this Industrial Applications division, I would like to guide us a little bit through also here the positioning, the service side of the business, the innovative side, the differentiation side, so how do we capture market share and also here value generation is of the essence. So we are really leading the markets in those areas where we are active. We spoke about the turbines, and we could mention similar things here like in the generation area, specifically when it comes to distributed. So here we have the smaller parts, the smaller devices. But perhaps also on the solutions side, we offer so-called EAD, electrification, automation, digitalization devices for onshore-offshore, marine and fiber activities. Perhaps one thing to maybe mention is the subsea activities. Yes, we do offer power supply systems for not an autonomous but a remote operation on the ground of the seabed, down to some 3,000 meters below the water level. So this is really an impressive technology driven by our colleagues in Trondheim and continues to be developed. Process safety and industrial security are typically core requirements. This is why we think we are being asked for because we, I think, have a strong differentiator in here. And in the portfolio, we also have, specifically when it comes to oil platforms and oil side or oil handling activities, we have the water treatment solutions in place. When it comes to rotating equipment and EAD services, we do similar things like, which were discussed in the service side in general. So we modernize and upgrade. We sometimes have long term programs. We do operation and maintenance. And of course, we do have various kinds of spare parts and field services activities in place. Also here, in Industrial Applications, we are quite resilient in our view. That means we have a larger number of customers, although we have bigger customers who account for some 20% of the revenue. We also have the distribution across different industries. And also regionally, we are quite distributed. So in a way, this, in our view, is a sign of resilience. The market, as such, are growing. First of all, in the field of industries, typically, we see the demand going in parallel with the overall GDP situation. Of course, COVID may play a different role here. But in principle, that trend is intact, and we are happy to be able to capitalize on that development. When it comes to downstream, we, of course, see a decline in refining, but we see a growth in petrochemicals demand. So our customer base is really developing, in our sense, very favorably. The midstream market has come to a historic peak in our view in 2019. And that is probably not a trend which is sustainable. We have to see how that develops. Upstream, again, we see a growth, a stronger growth even in onshore and offshore in the mentioned sense, for instance, when it comes to FPSO and subsea after years of weak activity. In total, the market looks quite friendly. Again, it has to be seen how pandemics really have an effect on those figures. We are strongly positioned in all key regions. And also there, we see reasonably good growth. We are strongly positioned in the Americas, for instance. Let me take the FPSO, the floating production, storage and offload vessel there, which you see down there. Most recently, we were able to book an order where we basically have the entire electrical and machinery of above the waterline. That, in that case, meant a EUR 400 million order for Latin America. These vessels, as such, as you have them on the picture there, can easily extend EUR 1 billion in cost. We spoke about various kinds of activities around digital services and LTPs. Compressor trains are part of our offering, also very relevant, for instance, here, in this case, for Saudi Arabia. And also air separation in petrochemical complexes, in this case, for China, are very relevant. Here, it's about splitting up air into its major components. And therefore, perhaps or possibly starting the first process steps towards hydrogen or towards ammonia or other processes behind that. We have a strong service. I cannot often enough repeat this. The principles here apply in pretty much the same way as they were introduced by others before, by Tim. Perhaps remarkable here in this context is that whilst in many other of our offerings also in the other divisions, we have a, let's say, procurement transaction every 3, 4, 5 years maximum because typically the life cycle of our offering is up to 20 years. Here, we have typically, when it comes to the smaller entities, more procurement processes and therefore are also able to benefit from the service phase in the sense of the design of the new and updated product. So the smaller compressors, the smaller machines really are being procured more often. And therefore, we really can take much more of learning outside of the existing fleet. We have 79,000 installed base serviceable units. So orders are going up between '17 and '19 in the mentioned range, and the service order backlog also is increasing. It means that, yes, the full integration of the acquired fleet help to realize synergies. We cover the entire distributed generation fleet. So that means also the small ones from the generation division. And the strong service momentum keeps us going and will keep us going also in difficult times. Some of the specifics were mentioned before, but still and under all circumstances, in our point of view, this is a growing business, and therefore, highly attractive, specifically when it comes to the length of the relationship with the customer, for instance. Now on top of what we have and on top of servicing this, we would like to make sure that we are also innovative enough, that we are a kind of innovation leader, if you wish. Additive manufacturing, we talked about before, is one of the levers in our view to differentiate. We spoke about the classical 3D printing, if you wish, with the help of this component here. But there's also other methods. For instance, laser-based deposition of maintenance components where, in our view, not only cost but also lead times can be substantially reduced. When it comes to the Topsides 4.0, the core element here really is that we are able to automate an oil platform. And this oil platform really then can be operated with substantially less personnel on it. And certainly, the availability go up and the reliability of the operation also goes up. So in the sense, quite an advanced, AI-based, in many cases, AI-based solution for the operation of such installations. When it comes to decarbonization, we spoke about some activities where we sort of upgrade the existing setup, like on the mentioned example, the SGT-800, improving efficiency and improving the power output. But when it comes to the H2 capability as a fuel, for instance, with the SGT-600, another one type, we're also able to go up to 60% hydrogen as a fuel for now. And it has to be noted that this is a so-called dry low-emission process. In many cases, we have a wet flow emission process where water or derivatives are really injected into the burning chamber. This is not needed here, so this is really the advanced technology. Our innovations are not just theoretical. Our innovations are active and work in practice. We spoke about the H2 co-firing turbine. We took Braskem as an example here, where various elements of our innovation portfolio are really being utilized, and that is actually up and running. So for instance, we use gas turbine burners, which only can be produced for geometrical reasons, only can be produced by additive. We have a continuous H2 in the fuel mix with dry combustion, the procedure which was just explained. We have reduced emissions. And also, we have some extensive project management behind this. So all this is something which has been more than attractive for the customer. We spoke about gas turbine brownfield exchanges. Also, I believe, a concept which is understandable and does make sense more then. Perhaps one thing not mentioned so far is, specifically in the Nordics, we have the operation of ferryboats to turn that into something, either hybrid or fully electric. So there are small ferries crossing fjords which run fully electric substations on either side. And in this case here, we've chosen the partnership with Color Line to actually install a hybrid operation, which then help to reduce the diesel consumption by 20%. And respectively then, we were also able to reduce the CO2 emission. So these things, these innovations are there. And this is, I believe, one of the reasons why, in such cases, the customer actually comes back to us. We have proven that this works and functions and is really in place. Also here, when it comes to the numbers in IA, also here, we have to see that not all of the homework is really done. Some homework is still left. It was mentioned before that the top line is developing okay, if you wish. So we certainly have positive and good book-to-bill ratios. What's perhaps not so optimal, and also in relation to figures which have been shown elsewhere, is the result situation that needs to be worked on. We have sometimes had hits on the cost base by overcapacities. So this is what I was mentioning on the side of operational excellence as well, that overcapacities need to be tackled when it comes to, for instance, our site structure or the site strategy. We did have impact from COVID. And we also had portfolio optimizations here executed on in the sense of the AGT. The majority of the previously mentioned write-off of EUR 700 million are really related to the activities in here. So also here, we will fully focus on value generation. We will be focusing on the growth elements, specifically with the help of the innovations and the differentiation element of our portfolio. When it comes to footprint, we will continue to optimize our structures. It was mentioned that also in the past many of the synergies were already capitalized on. Until now, so far, some 20 sites were closed. But we still have to see that our capacities are sufficiently utilized otherwise the business is not sustainable. Project excellence, specifically when it comes to NCC, also here play a role. The portfolio streamlining is something we mentioned before, the AGT offerings. But I also mentioned, for instance, compressors, single-shaft compressors, where we have overlaps in the portfolio, and that typically is nothing the customer really is prepared to pay for. So the cost optimization will continue to go on. And also here, we do have new management in place. We do have a new structure in place, fresh views, fresh power, fresh energy to drive Industrial Application forward. So summarizing it, we are much more than oil and gas. We are called Industrial Applications because the portfolio is much broader. And from those reasons, we have to perhaps mention once more that more than 50% of the order intake is actually from industries and process industries. This is why this is more than justifiable. In most cases, we are in our market segments the market leader or in the #2 position. We have a very resilient business model. We have 60% of our revenue as service. We are innovation leader in most cases. And this innovation is not only defined and theoretically defined, it's also in practice, in action, and it's honored by the customer. And in our view, we find our way on a clear path to profitable growth. With this, I would like to say thank you also for attending the presentation. And I'm through. And Michael, what's the next steps?

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

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Thank you very much, Jochen. Sorry to give you 2 sessions in a row. We now have another break of about 20 minutes. We're exactly on time. So we're going to reconvene at 5:20 German time, 4:20 U.K. time. And as I mentioned before, Tim will come back to talk about service. Andreas Nauen will come to talk about SGRE. We will have a Q&A session. Before then, Christian will come back on stage to come with final closing remarks. See you guys in 20 minutes. Thanks, everyone. [Break]

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

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Right. Thanks, everyone. We're now off to the last session. As I mentioned, we're going to have Tim talk about service. We're going to have Andreas talk about SGRE, Q&A and final remarks by Christian, and we're going to start with Tim. Tim, please come on stage. Thank you.

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

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Thank you, Michael. So welcome back, everybody, final stretch. I don't know. I'm personally already a bit tired, but I can promise you the final stretch with transmission and Siemens Gamesa will also be exciting. So this whole afternoon, we have really talked a lot about power generation. And now we switch a bit to transmission. So all that power that needs to get generated needs to be moved around and has certain really requirements, has to be reliable. It's mission-critical. So it's really important that the transmission system operates flawlessly. At the same time, the whole grid gets more complex. You add renewables, the intermittency. You have more decentralized generation. You have more storage. All that adds complexity to the grid and drives the demand for the products and solutions that we have in transmission. And that's why I believe this is the right business to be in and also why this offers quite a bit of opportunity for Siemens Energy. The clicker is tired as well. So when we talk about transmission, it's really about how do we move electricity around. And you see in the middle, this is really the transmission and distribution, and then you see the generation on the left-hand side, be it fossil generation, be it renewable generation; and then on the other side, the consumers. But you will also see in the presentation a bit later that our customer base expands. So it's not just the traditional TSOs, DSOs that are our customers, but you will also see on the left side and the right side of the slide that there are business opportunities that we're going to exploit. And then in terms of, what is this all about? What are we selling? What are our products? You see below. It's product, it's solutions, it's service, and then switching, the non-switching part. So everything that's really mission-critical for our customers. And also to give you example, even during the recent COVID crisis, we are able to reopen our factories after a very short while because many countries really put our factories or classify them as system critical and allowed them to open. So it shows you the importance of the product. And I'm also going to show you in a bit why we are the market leader in our categories and why there is the opportunity and a growing market here. So what we talk about, and I just wanted to show you one of our product. This is the largest HVDC transformer that has been produced ever. And you see the size, almost 40 meters long, 15 meters high, 1,000 tons. So this is huge. This is huge. This is technology that's over 100 years old really pushed to the limit in terms of what it can do. And this was designed, engineered. The prototype was manufactured and tested in Germany, in Nuremberg, in our factory, really a world-class facility. And then the project was in China. We manufactured in our China factory, in Guangzhou, the transformers for this project and then the other products. And it really delivers the high voltage over almost 3,000 or over 3,000 kilometers. So really pushing a technology to the limit and being able to transport electricity over large distances at a high voltage level. So what is transmission about in terms of contribution to Siemens Energy? It's 20% of the overall revenue, so substantial and with good growth prospects, as you will see in a bit. Also, EUR 8 billion order backlog. So compared to what you have seen from Jochen in Industrial Application and generation, the backlog isn't as impressive, but that's driven also by the missing service backlog. So not as much long term programs, no rotating equipment, so the backlog is purely driven by new unit. Also, nice book-to-bill ratio over 1, so it shows really we're building the backlog. And then if you look at the lower left, you see the distribution between new unit and service, but also if you break it down, about 40% of that revenue is in solutions, about 8% in service and the rest in products. So this is a business that's also about selling a lot of bits and pieces. And that also we have a large manufacturing footprint, a large sales force, so a bit of a different drive than you have seen in the other divisions. Really, who we are and what I want to go a bit into detail in the next slides is really, this is a portfolio that's mission-critical for our customers. They rely on us to provide them the equipment to operate their transmission systems without any blackouts that can cope with the complexity. And this is really where our market and technology leadership comes into play. This is also a industry, a market that has growth prospects. I talked about the renewables, and Andreas will talk a bit later the growth in on and offshore wind. All that has to be connected and transported. And really, that gives us the opportunity to grow the business. And then last but not least, it's really also about margin improvement. And I will show you a couple of examples of what we have already done and where we see further potential to grow this business and make it a real stable profit contributor to the overall Siemens Energy business. We'll go a bit into leadership and where we believe we are in terms of market position. And you here see the split into products, solutions and service. This is how we look at it. Also on the products side, we differentiate between switching products and the non-switching products. And it's also really about the Siemens legacy. I mean, this is a technology that is old, but where we have also earned a lot of customer trust and a good reputation that we deliver products, an excellent reputation that we deliver products that are very reliant and resilient. And that really leads then to the market position we have. It's really about the portfolio range, but also the reputation we have. And you can see the #1, #2 position on the product side, on the solution, very much proven that we can execute the large projects, the HVDC, the offshore solutions, but also the project you have seen in an earlier slide in China. And then on the service side, very large installed base. So there also it's not just selling product and solutions, but also servicing them and making sure over the lifetime we're able to guarantee the performance of the parts. So in terms of how is the market growing and what are really the trends, and how does it play to our portfolio. On the left-hand side, you see the transmission market, what see in terms of growth prospects from '19 to '25. It's a good CAGR of 2%. It's very steady, stable, but it will also show that there are pockets of growth in those market figures. On the left-hand side, you see very much the breakdown into products, solutions and services. Here, you see also the potential that we have on the solutions side. This is really a lot driven by onshore wind and the large HVDC projects connecting or transporting electricity over long distances, integrating different national grids across borders. And also in general, the drive to more renewable production. On the right-hand side, if you go to the regions, you see also the build-out that happened in Asia. So a bit less of a growth potential, but still the largest market that we have. And then the lower, the Americas, quite good growth potential, also very much driven by the renewable installations that are happening in the U.S. and throughout South America but also the rise of offshore wind in the U.S. So what are really the trends that are driving this market growth? It's all about grid stability. Now we have more renewable integration. It's about decarbonization. And the decarbonization is mostly on the product side. As you know, we have SF6 in our gas-insulated switches, how do you replace it? Even the oil and the pole-mounted transformers, how can you substitute that? It's about digitalization. We talked a bit about it. How do we equip our transformers or switch outs with more data? And then really, how do we address the different growth that we have in the regions. And it's all about having the right portfolio, having the right system and solution capability and really having a portfolio that is ready to get connected and really harness the value of data. So a bit of 2 drivers. On the right-hand side, it's really the electrification. Christian talked about this. This is really about there is an overall growth in electricity generation, demand. And also in certain pockets of that. We talk about data centers, and you see a bit. That's also an area where we have really good track record of winning projects in the last couple of months. It's about electrification of industries. You look at electric vehicles, what does it mean? How does it get integrated, charging stations and so on? And then also the decentralized battery storage, how does that really play into? And how do you charge and discharge batteries? And how does the grid react to it? Then on the renewable side, on the left-hand side, it's all about the long-distance energy transport. I think Germany is an excellent example. All the offshore wind sits in the north. A lot of the load centers sit in the south of Germany. How do you transport the electricity from the north to the south with HVDC lines. It's about not having enough transport capacities. The NERC regions in the U.S. is a good example. How do you transport energy across different regions and different grids? And then it's also about the intermittency of the renewables and how does the grid react to it and make sure it's stable and reliant. And that's really driving a lot of the growth opportunities, and that's also where it helps that we have a really good track record now on the -- both on the product side, on the technology leadership, but also on the capabilities that we have on the solutions side. And then you will hear a bit also from Andreas. It's also about the increased benefits we have together with Siemens Gamesa. A lot of the onshore wind and the grid access goes hand-in-hand. Sometimes, the same customer put out a request for quotation for both of them together. So there are also plenty of opportunities to really work together and work to the benefit of Siemens Energy. In terms of innovation highlights, I touched a bit on it, but I think it's really important to say our customers are very technology-driven. They want the latest technology because it guarantees reliability and flexibility. And what you see here is really how we address that. I talked a bit about digitalization, about having what we call the sense products, putting sensors on the individual components, be it a transformer, be it a switchgear; and really, what we say, transforming these high-voltage substations into data hubs; and also utilizing the power of data. And especially in that segment, we have really good growth rates of about 150% year-on-year. Then the middle block is really about the products and how do we really decarbonize or make our products greener. I talked a bit about the SF6-free products. Yes, it's not as efficient as a normal gas-insulated, but from our customers, a big drive to the 0 GHG emissions. So also additional product pool. Good launch, and we're really pushing the boundary there. And then on the right-hand side, it's all about that grid stability and managing the complexity and being really the global leader in this HVDC-plus solutions. And you can see on the right-hand side, you see the little logo of the World Economic forum. Those both technologies got mentioned in a recent report of the World Economic Forum on disruptive technologies. So I think a very good testimony that we have the right product and really at the edge of innovation and pushing that further. A bit on the customer base. And the business is really, or has been in the past, a lot about tailored customer solution, sometimes a bit almost to the side of being too complex and too customized. But that's really what the customer needs. And you see in the middle the traditional customers, those are our largest customers, the transmission system operators, very known name across the globe. They are regulated but still open for new technologies in a very controlled manner of introduction. But then you also see new groups of customers coming in. The upper side, those are more the generation/generation -- transmission customers that go into renewables, need to connect their wind farms, et cetera, to the grid. And then on the lower side, really more the industrial customer side, be it oil and gas customers, but also tech companies. I talked a bit about data centers, or even, for example, Tesla. We just won an order to provide the switchyard for the new battery gigafactory in Berlin. So you see also there good growth opportunities on that side by having the right products and the right solutions. In terms of recent performance, I think you have seen the numbers early in the morning from Maria already, but just kind of want to highlight a couple things. First, draw your attention to the revenue. On the upper side, you see a drop in revenue over the years. This was really intentional. Because in the past, we had a lot of solutions, large projects where we had all the scope. We reduced our scope to derisk the projects and focus on higher-value parts of the project. So more system approach versus a whole project approach, very important. And you see the impact on the -- or the impact it didn't have on the adjusted EBITA that you see below. The second one that you also see after a dip in the book-to-bill ratio, we're back to numbers well above 1. And this year, year-to-date, we're at actually 1.2. So also a really good development. And then the last thing I want to draw your attention to, if you look at the 9 months comparison, we're tracking well, despite COVID. Now you see fiscal year '19 was kind of artificially inflated by a one-off disposable gain of EUR 55 million. So if you back that out, very much in line with what we have seen last year, despite the COVID impact and the impact it had on productivity and sites being shut down for a period of time where we couldn't conduct the work. So I talked about really focus on value creation, margin improvement potential. We talked about the growth on the left-hand side, so it's all about the right side. And there's actually 3 building blocks. So the first one is really on projects, and we talked about it. Probably some of you remember the Capital Market Day in 2016 when we talked about the offshore project. We learned our lessons. It's really about focusing on the partnering for the non-core project elements. So on the offshore platforms, we exactly know our scope. We know what needs to get done, and we're good at and where we can manage the risk and the implementation. Then the second one is really about standardization. In the past, all these large projects had individual quotes, individual components. So we standardized how we do the offer and project execution. Also there, we've seen the impact, and I think there's a bit more to come. In the middle, it's really all about the portfolio. And it's about -- we talked about the past that was very much driven by customization. That's really focusing on systems and modularization. And just to give you a number in terms of platforms and reducing the different variance we had, we all reduced that by 40%. So quite a good reduction. We're not done there yet, but it's really about standardizing, reusing certain building blocks instead of having each factory, each product, depending on market and application with a whole variety of different variants. And then on the right-hand side, it's all about cost optimization. Just to put it in perspective, we already had a reduction program in fiscal year '18, 1,500 headcount that were reduced. Last year, we announced another program, another 2,000 headcount. We're in the midst of getting the -- I mean the people have signed up, but getting the people out. And it's really a focus here on making sure we are rightsized. We also, over the last 2 years, closed and sold 4 factories. And also for each factory that we have, it's really managing the breakeven point and making sure we exactly know what load we need per factory. And really, it's about focus. It's about what Christian says, attention to detail. And even so, we have a large footprint but with dedicated portfolio, making sure each factory earns the return they need to do. So to sum it up, as I said, it's mission-critical what we do in transition. I think it's the business to be in, given the opportunities we have in the market. I think we have seen or hopefully have demonstrated that we're the innovation and technology leader. We have a good market position. And now it's on us to really get to the full potential of this business. With that, thank you. And I would ask Andreas now to come up to stage and tell us a bit about Siemens Gamesa.

Andreas Nauen

executive
#116

Thank you, Tim. My name is Andreas Nauen. I'm the CEO of Siemens Gamesa. And for me, it's personally a huge honor to be here. I spent my first 19 years in Siemens Power Generation, and I was already part of the acquisition team that acquired a midsized Danish wind turbine company in 2004. I ran Siemens Wind Power for the first 6 years, the start-up years. Then I was 6 years responsible for Senvion, another stock-listed wind turbine company. And then in 2017, I came back. I came back to Siemens Gamesa only for one reason: because I always believed in Siemens Gamesa. And for me, it is also a kind of full circle. I have now the chance to run Siemens Wind Power with Siemens Gamesa a second time. But also, I'm, the second time in my life, part of Siemens Energy now. So for me, it's full circle, but the circle is clearly not full, and that is what my presentation will be about. And I hope I have still some exciting things to add at that time of day. This day is all about numbers, and Maria shared a lot of them with you. So let's go to the number of Siemens Gamesa. We are a EUR 10 billion company. Around 80% is new unit business, around 16% is service. That's now. But let's look at the future. We signed up EUR 13 billion of new orders last year. That means at the end of last year, we had EUR 26 billion of order backlog. In the meantime, now only 9 months later, we already have EUR 31 billion order backlog. That's, of course, a huge success and also a sign of our success in the market. At our CMD last week, I was asked numerous times what does the formation of Siemens Energy mean for you? And for Siemens Gamesa, it's an extremely good development. It is good on a strategic level but also on an operational level, and I'll explain quickly why. So if I look at it strategically, we are core business for Siemens Energy. It was demonstrated with numbers and content numerous times today. And what more can you ask for to be growing business and be a major part of your large, strong committed shareholder? So that's one level. But also on an operational level, there's a lot of advantages for Siemens Gamesa. On the procurement side, we can pull our value -- our volumes. Christian mentioned that this morning. We can go with larger volumes into the procurement market and benefit from scale. But also on the sales side, we can approach customers together. As late as last week, I discussed with Tim, who's best placed to address Ørsted, our customer that we have pioneered the offshore industry with? And it's clearly at Siemens Gamesa, we know Ørsted in and out at all levels. We have an excellent relationship with them. We know all of their projects. There, we've advanced Siemens Energy management benefits. On the other hand, we have customers in the U.S. that only deal with us or mainly deal with us as Siemens Gamesa because we are part of an integrated energy company that we benefit. And finally, on the future side, hydrogen was mentioned numerous times today. If we combine the knowledge that Siemens Energy has about electrolyzers with our knowledge about generating green electricity and combine the 2, I think we are both well placed to develop that jointly together and create the green hydrogen future. There are 2 things I've learned in my 16 years in wind power; 2, I would call them, eternal truth about wind power. First, the turbines grow and grow and get larger and larger. And there's no end in sight. And the second thing is, if you don't have the most competitive turbine, you will not win the large projects. And this is also confirmed by our latest product launch, our 14-megawatt 222 direct drive offshore turbine, the largest wind turbine in the world. We've launched it in April, and we had immediate success in the market with it. And just a few words about that turbine. It is an evolutionary development. We started with a 6 megawatt more than 10 years ago, the 7 megawatt, the 8 megawatt, 10 megawatt, 11 megawatt and now we are at 14 megawatt. But I'm sure it's not the end. So that turbine again confirms that direct drive concept is the right product for the offshore market, for our customers. But it's not only the technology, it's also the quality of what we deliver here. We can install and commission most of -- in most of our projects in 1 day. That's, of course, saving cost for us and saving execution time. But what is even more important, when we install the turbine, we are immediately at 98% or even higher percentages of availability. So right from the start, that turbine performs. And to quote one of our customers that I spoke to recently: he said, "Andreas, this is the closest to a perfect wind turbine I've seen so far." So clearly, our customers confirm that. What is equally important, we have already several gigawatts of preferred bidders -- bidder agreements for that turbine. We have 1,400 megawatt for Sofia, a project in the U.K. with RWE; around 2,500 megawatt for the largest U.S. offshore project by Dominion Energy in Virginia; and also at the other side of the globe in Taiwan, a project called Hai Long. So our customers confirm that this is the right turbine for the mid-2020 projects. We are well positioned, I firmly believe. First, because we shape the wind turbine industry and we have the right foundation in place. We have also the right industry fundamentals with growth mainly coming from offshore and service. And I have to admit, not everything works in Siemens Gamesa as we would like it to be. But we have a clear plan in place with innovation, productivity, and project excellence to get where we want to be and create sustainable value for all of our shareholders. If I were to describe Siemens Gamesa in a short sentence, I would say, we are 2 well-functioning, growing, profitable business units and one that has to be turned around. And let me start with service this time. We have, at the moment, around 70 gigawatt under service. We have a clear plan to get to 80 gigawatt. It was a business unit that was founded in that form about 10 years ago, and I think Tim had the pleasure to run it the first 4 years. And it's a highly profitable business. We know how to do wind turbine service. Offshore, we lead from the top. We have installed 16 gigawatts. Or to say it in a different way, around 65% of all offshore wind turbines in the world come from Siemens Gamesa or Siemens Wind Power. So 2 out of 3 offshore wind turbines. And recently, we have crossed the mark of 1,000 direct drives that we installed, and we have another 1,000 direct drives already in the backlog or in preferred bidders' agreements. So clearly, here, we drive the industry. We are the #1, and that is clearly what we target to be. Our target market share is 50%, but 50% plus. And dependent on the installation years, I'm sure there will be years where it will be higher. And then the third business unit is onshore. Onshore with 80 gigawatts installed is the -- 90 gigawatts, sorry for that. It's clearly the foundation of our business, and it's a large business for us. About 50% of our revenue is onshore and about 1/4 of our backlog. And it's truly a global business. And we benefit from -- in that business from scale that the top 3 players dominate that market, and also that, that market has stabilized and is growing in various ways. We are now 3 years into the merger of Siemens Gamesa, and we firmly believe that we have the right foundation in place. Still some work to be done to be finally and to become one Siemens Gamesa, but we have people all across the globe. We have skilled teams everywhere. We have around 2,000 engineers that do nothing else than design wind turbines or service products. We have the financial strength. We are the only wind OEM that has an investment-grade rating. We have the scale and the global footprint with around 100 gigawatts, a little bit more installed. We are present in 70 countries. And we know how to do large projects. We clearly demonstrated that. And sustainability for us is, of course, something we grew up with, making green electricity, making turbines that generate green electrons. So we have everything in place that it takes to be successful in the future. And I would like to share with you one example that explains the wind industry and the current dynamics I find in an extremely good way. That's the project East Anglia 1. It's a 700-megawatt offshore wind power station on the East Coast. It's 107-megawatt turbines. We commissioned it earlier this summer. And it was exciting for us because one of the East Anglia turbines was clear would be number 1,000. So we counted it down and celebrated in the end, and our people were extremely proud to achieve that milestone. But what is more equally important, or maybe even more, we are now already talking East Anglia 3 with our customer, the customer for that, and East Anglia 3 with Iberdrola. East Anglia 3 will be 3,000 megawatts, so 4x bigger. And the turbine most likely will be a 14 megawatt, the one I introduced to you earlier. So I think that shows how dynamic the wind industry at the moment is. And of course, we believe we are well placed also for East Anglia 3 when it comes to turbine selection. If you go beyond the -- from the project, the total wind investments, you can clearly see here that around EUR 180 million -- billion will go into wind power in the next few years. That's more than in all other renewable areas together. And that confidence has grown over the last 2 years. Around 20% more investments expected over the same time period. So in short, it's huge investments going into wind and a growing optimism. If you go one level deeper, this is, of course, a key slide for us. It shows the market development for the new turbines measured in gigawatts installed every year and in service in billion euros. And you can clearly see here onshore is a stable market the next 5 years, but then it's a growing market again. Slowly growing, but growing. Offshore is a completely different game. 20%, 22% growth the next few years. Afterwards, 7%. And by the end of that decade, about 1/3 of all wind turbine installations would be offshore. That's, of course, extremely beneficial for us as the clear market leader in offshore. And on top of that new turbine foundation, we have an 8% stable, stable growth every year in the service market. That is a solid foundation from the market to what we do. The state is, of course, mostly about the future, but I think especially in our industry, it's important that we have a short look back where we came from. And we've gone through a tough time. The introduction of auctions in 2017, '18, '19 in onshore, as well in offshore and that globally was, of course, major headwinds for us. But we are clearly behind that. We now know how to deal with auctions. We are behind that. At the moment, we are dealing with the COVID crisis, but we are dealing it, riding it out well, I believe. And after the crisis, we will be one of the core elements of all the recovery packages, whether you look at the countries, at the European Union or at the United States. So if you look ahead, the outlook is we are core to the recovery packages. We have transitioned into auctions, know how to handle them. The prices have stabilized on the sales side. On the other hand, we have the commodity prices that relaxed over the last few quarters. And in the meantime, the global supply chain has clearly ramped up that will help us to be more profitable. One of the key pages that I also shared with our analysts last week at the CMD. What are we going to do? And clearly, in onshore, there's only one direction: return it to profitability, to sustainable profitability, and believe that can be done; select the right projects and the projects with a good risk-reward profile; introduce new technology, similar like we did in offshore; reduce our supply chain complexity in design and in footprint; execute better. We know how to do projects. We know how to do that in offshore and service, execute the same -- on same quality level in onshore; and finally, adjust the organization to the expected size of our business. In offshore, it's different. We have to do what we are good at in Europe and globalize it and make the most of the market growth. And we know exactly how to do that. We have the best turbine. We have the technology in place. We globalize together with our customers, and we work with every offshore customer in the world. And we continue to execute on a top-class and a world-class level. And finally, service. We continue to grow our service business; develop new business models with our customers; focus on productivity, something that we have been very good at over the last few years; and then on the basis of the Senvion service acquisition, drive our profitable multi-brand business. That is altogether an extremely good mix for us in total. And we have already the engine started that will drive that. We call that engine LEAP. LEAP is our company program that will drive all 3 business units. It has the 3 classical pillars: innovation; productivity with focus on cost and cash; and operational excellence. Very similar to what Jochen described. Then we have digitalization, on the one hand, as an enabler, like internally to be more productive to reduce cost internally, but of course, also as a differentiator is mainly towards our customers. And then sustainability and focus on people in areas especially that I really burn for, that is health and safety. So clearly, we have that program in place. We started already with that a few months ago. Certain major decisions have already been taken, and we are already implementing some of them. There's surely more to come. I would like to finish with the title of the Capital Market Day of Siemens Gamesa last week: Unleashing the Full Potential of Siemens Gamesa. And I would like to leave you with a few key messages. On the back of a growing and healthy wind turbine market and wind service market, we will create value. We have a clear plan for that. By turning around onshore into a profitable business again and capture the growth from offshore and service and growth that leads me to the first KPI of our financial framework that we also launched last week, we will grow faster than the market on the back of the offshore growth and the service growth. We have the engine in place. We have started the LEAP program, and we know what we need to do and how we need to do it. We will prioritize profit over volume. We will spring Siemens Gamesa back into a profit range of 8% to 10% by 2023. We will also continue to focus on cash, and our commitment to cash is that we have a cash of 1 minus growth. And finally, of course, sustainability. We were born with sustainability at -- right at the beginning. We make renewable engines. We make green electricity. But we've taken sustainability way beyond that with our people to the financial community, and we are committed to continue on that path. So thanks for your attention for me and for Siemens Gamesa. And then I understand we are up for a final round of questions. So Michael, you're up.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#117

Thank you, Andreas. And with that, I'll also ask Tim and Jochen to come back on stage. So we will have the final Q&A over the next 20 minutes. We'll wait a second for people to post their interest in asking questions.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#118

And the first question comes from Sean McLoughlin. Sean, over to you.

Sean McLoughlin

analyst
#119

Can you hear me?

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#120

Yes, we can. Thank you.

Sean McLoughlin

analyst
#121

Super. Firstly, on the hydrogen, which has come up many times today, it seems clear that the wider Siemens Energy group can drive a competitive advantage through a multiproduct offering with green hydrogen, say, from turbine to electrolyzer to grid equipment. What is the market potential for the wind to hydrogen opportunity? And ultimately, how advanced are customer conversations on this? Second question, still related to hydrogen but looking at generation and industrial applications. Looking at the impact of the hydrogen fuel switch, I mean, how important is this? How much is, in fact, is a switch to hydrogen co-firing already baked into your market growth assumptions for 2025? Or might you be looking at potential upside of the new market opportunities that hydrogen fuel switch might engender? I'm just wondering, ultimately, what level of progress you're at compared to your competitors?

Andreas Nauen

executive
#122

Sean, nice to hear voice again. With regards to the potential, I would like first to refer to what potential is there for the wind turbine market. And I shared that with you also last week. That was one of my slides in the corporate part. All the wind turbine market volume that you've seen, also the one today, is with a certain but limited share of, let's say, green electricity to generate hydrogen. And in this chart that I shared with you last week, I think it was by the end of the decade, was around 40 gigawatts or so. And if the world really turns into green hydrogen, we believe that, that can triple. It was around 110 gigawatts. And that would be on top of the volume that we currently see because most of what we currently see is for pure power generation. And so clearly, there's a lot of additional potential. But you also know it's difficult to say at the moment. We believe that maybe by the mid-2020s, we have the first real commercial project. And at the moment, we are in the learning in technology phase.

Jochen Eickholt;Member of the Executive Board

executive
#123

So then perhaps on the potential in the more classical divisions, we see a strong potential. However, we have to see that also right now, we understand that we are a little bit in the early development phases. So it's not so easy to quantify. By 2025, we reckon to have revenue related to these activities in the range of mid-3-digit numbers, millions. So it's going to be significant in the future, but it's not so easy to get there.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#124

Next question comes from Ingo Schachel. Ingo, over to you. Ingo, we can't hear you.

Ingo-Martin Schachel

analyst
#125

Sorry. It's better now?

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#126

Yes. We can hear you now.

Ingo-Martin Schachel

analyst
#127

Okay. Good. Sorry. My first question would have been on your top line growth ambition. I think you spoke reasonably positively about gas incentive transition market, good book-to-bill and so on. But when I look at your midterm target of flat to 3% growth and then conscious that it becomes increasingly possible that Gamesa growth, let's say, double-digit or at least 10%, it seems to suggest that you expect Gas and Power to be flat to down a few percent. Also to read that the phasing out of low-margin business, just a cautious view on pricing or rather a situation where you would probably not bake in a 10% growth for Gamesa at this point?

Andreas Nauen

executive
#128

Yes. Sure. Ingo, I think my first priority is clearly to turn around onshore and to make sure that onshore has a clear path to profitability again. You know that our numbers are, by far, at the moment, not satisfactory. And we need to put onshore on new feet on new ground. And therefore, the main task that we have ahead of us now is really define how do we turn it back into profitability. I think we have a plan for that. I shared with you the 5 key elements for that. We're already implementing that. And in that mix, between the growth and offshore, growth in service, which is, of course, not so lumpy due to the project and then the stabilization of onshore, we get to the mix also of the guidance that I shared with you last week.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#129

Jochen, if you take a bit on growth in generation. Thank you.

Jochen Eickholt;Member of the Executive Board

executive
#130

I think for the -- for generation and industrial applications, the picture is kind of similar, rather. We focus much more on profitability and focus most of our activities in generating more profit in the end of the day with the levers, which we mentioned. The top line development, in our view, currently has -- does not play the same role. So in that sense, we are a little bit conservative in foreseeing additional growth on our side. There are growth elements in there, for instance, on the industrial application side. But the real focus is on the top -- is on the bottom line.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#131

Thank you, Jochen. Tim, do you want to say something on transmission.

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#132

Yes. Maybe on the transmission side, we have a clear aspiration to grow faster than the market. And I mean I showed you the numbers, so that gives you a bit of an indication where we see transmission going.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#133

Right. Thank you. Next question comes from [ Jonathan Monty ]. So Jonathan, over to you. Jonathan, we can't hear you yet.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#134

Can you hear me now?

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#135

Yes. Thank you. We can hear you now.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#136

Excellent. Great. Yes. First off, on the H-class turbine fleet. So I guess the first one went into combined cycle service probably around 9, 10 years ago. So it's a relatively young installed base. I think the Slide 6 in the generation, or was it in the service section, was talking about the first major overhaul up to 5 years and even bigger opportunity after 10. I guess as these things start to mature and they're all pretty much on long-term service contracts, are we going to see a bump in service revenues over the next sort of 5 years as they each come up to their first or second service? I guess [indiscernible], you've only sold 100, 110. I wonder if that's material or not. Checking on Dresser-Rand. So industrial applications is saying 79,000 installed base of rotating equipment that you can service. If I skip back to 2014, I think when you announced the deal for Dresser, Dresser alone was said to have 96,000 pieces of rotating equipment. Then obviously, there was Rolls-Royce, and there was the original Siemens portfolio. I think in total, you were talking about 127,000. What's happened in the time since? Is it definitional? Is it assets leaving that portfolio, which was originally oil and gas? Have a lot just been retired? Why is it only 79,000 today, please?

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#137

Right. That's for Tim?

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#138

Okay. Maybe start with the last question. As you know, we also looked at the portfolio and especially a lot of the smaller unit, the single-stage gas turbines. Back then, we also had -- we had the company, KK&K, that had a lot of the smaller fleet. That all came out. That's a large installed base, very small, also very little impact on the service revenue. So that's how the numbers correlate. I think what's really important, focus on the larger fleet, focus on the larger unit because that's the majority that drives the service business. Your first question on the first H that came in and how the outage profile is, that actually levels out. I mean we have about 1,600 large gas turbines that we have in the fleet. We know the outage schedule. Yes, the Hs do a bump. But then others come out, maybe the intervals get extended or pushed out so you don't really see that in the service revenue number as lumps that come up and go down.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#139

Next question comes from Martin Wilkie. Martin, over to you.

Martin Wilkie

analyst
#140

It's Martin again. Just a question on Transmission. You've given some historical profitability. But when we compare you with ABB's business, which obviously has been sold recently, but that would approach double-digit margin. And as you say, you are clearly -- in your definition, they're #1 in transmission. I mean has there been project costs or other structural headwinds that meant your margin has barely reached above 5% over that period? Just to understand, what is the structural potential inside Transmission to get closer to a double-digit margin?

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#141

Yes. Now maybe the first part in kind of comparing, it's always a bit tricky because there's also the medium voltage and low voltage. Even when you looked at the ABB number, it wasn't really clear cut. So apples-to-apples is always very difficult. Also, if you look at what we have in the portfolio and compare it to ABB, I think we've seen in the press also the issues they have on the large projects and the implementation. So they clearly have taken a hit on those. So we do quite intensive benchmarking and see where we are. So we believe it's very much on par in terms of margin also historically. And then if you look forward, yes, I mean, of course, a large solution business. But also, if you look at the solution business that we do on substations, we do about 600 projects a year. And also there, I mean, it's a sheer size. It's very regional. And also there, I think we didn't have the profitability range that we would like to see. That's what's -- also where I probably said, we focus on really delivering more of the system, not doing the civil part and really concentrating on where we can get to the better margin level that we talked about.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#142

Thank you. James Moore next. James, over to you. We can't hear you.

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#143

We can't hear you.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#144

We can't hear you at all. Okay. We'll move over to Daniela Costa. Daniela, over to you.

Daniela Costa

analyst
#145

I hope you can hear me well. I have 1 question possibly for Christian and Maria more, which relates to the, I guess, sort of with the spin-off, there will possibly be 2 listed entities: Siemens Energy, Siemens Gamesa. How do you move on in the next few weeks on doing the road show if you face investors that can't hold both? What would be your argument to owning Siemens -- investing in Siemens Gamesa over Siemens Energy, given it seems to be that Siemens Gamesa -- or price versus -- sorry, owning agreements energy instead of owning Siemens Gamesa, given it sounds like higher growth and higher margin for full year 2023 for Siemens Gamesa? And related to that is do you see a possible long-term scenario where there will be just one listing to play these energy trends?

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#146

I think Christian will take that question when he comes on at the very end, Daniela, if that's okay. And if you can...

Daniela Costa

analyst
#147

Yes. No, no, that's okay. Sorry, I can't see your image. So I don't know who's there on the table, but it makes sense if we can address later.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#148

Okay. Yes. So Christian will address it when he comes on at the end. So we're going to go back to James. We can't -- we still can't hear you. Sorry about this, James. We'll try again. Okay. Who want to go next? Gael de-Bray. So Gael, over to you. We can't hear you either. Gael, sorry. Okay. Then we'll try with Ben. Ben Uglow, please?

Ben Uglow

analyst
#149

Hello? Can you hear me?

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#150

We can hear you. Thank you.

Ben Uglow

analyst
#151

Fantastic. Okay. So I wanted to pick -- go back to Martin's question about the Transmission margins. I take on board the fact that the apples-to-apples comparison with ABB is always difficult. But if I look back, and I've read through it what Mr. Christian said back in 2015 at the Capital Markets Day -- or sorry, 2016. At that point, we had a 5% margin in Energy management, and we got it up to an 8% margin. I appreciate that there have been some structural changes within the division, but we're now back a record of 5% margin as of 2020. And I guess my first question is, what -- on an underlying basis, ex any structural changes, what has taken that margin down? Has it been price? Has it been volume? Has it been mix? Has it been bad projects? So I think that we'd just like to know how we've gotten from where we were a couple of years ago to where we are now. That's issue number one. Issue number two is, what's a reasonable margin expectation for this division? Where should this division be operating? If it's not 10%, is it 6%, 7%, 8%? How do we think about the potential?

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#152

Okay. Thanks, Ben. So first one, the main driver was really price compression. If you look where we've seen, we have seen new low-cost competitors coming in. If I look at the Middle East, if I look at the price curve, quite significant price pressure year-on-year, magnitude over 20%. So that really -- from that -- back in the day, it was a sellers' market. That has turned, and we had seen quite a bit of price compression that really took the market down. And back then, we weren't quick enough to really work on our productivity and cost out to catch up to it. That was also what I was referring to when we took 1,500 headcount reduction in '18; and last year, another 2,000. That was the effect to really counter that price compression. So we're working against it, and that's really also something that we'll really putting a lot of attention to. It's not necessarily the large HVDC project. It's much more on the -- I wouldn't call it the smaller stuff, but the bits and pieces. That really drove down the profitability. So getting back up, I think you guys -- it's a question between how much do we take cost out, where do prices go. But I think getting back up to a range that's somewhere where we have seen it historical, maybe not the high, I think that's clearly the goal. But again, you have a lot of players in the market. Price is a bit the unknown, and we really -- that's why we focus so much on productivity and making sure we do our homework in order to get to those kind of not quite the historic margin levels.

Ben Uglow

analyst
#153

And is there any evidence that the price pressure has begun to level out? Or is it something that is very much on...

Tim Holt;Chief Operating Officer of Gas & Power Division

executive
#154

Yes. If I look at this year -- and again, I mean, we get this huge portfolio of different markets, but we don't see the immense pressure we have seen in kind of in '17, '18. '19 was already a bit better, and '20 so far was also, I wouldn't call it promising, but not as brutal as we have seen them.

Michael Hagmann;Head of Investor Relations

executive
#155

Right. We're going to try again with Gael. And we still can't hear you. Sorry, Gael. Okay. Okay. James again. And the same problem persists. We still can't can hear you. So I suggest that Gael and James will pick up the questions with me. Sorry about that. So everybody is keen to hear Christian's answer on Daniela's question, I'm sure. I will use that moment of suspense in order to say thank you to everyone for bearing with us for 6.5 -- almost 6.5 hours. Thank you to everyone that has been asking questions. Obviously, also big, big thanks from my side to all the people within Siemens Energy that have been helping us in the preparation. And a very, very special thanks, and I'm looking over to Sabine and the team, to Sabine. And I'm just looking around the room, Josef, Alex, Cynthia, [ Mo ]. I mean without you guys, nothing would have run -- or it wouldn't have run as smoothly as it did. And now I hand over to Christian for some closing remarks. You go.

Christian Bruch;CEO

executive
#156

Okay. Very good. So before I come to my closing remarks, just back to the question of Daniela in terms of investing into Siemens Energy versus investing into Siemens Gamesa, this is obviously, at the end, a valuation game in terms of the value increase, what we're going to drive over the next couple of years. And we also have to see, obviously, how much value we can generate between the different divisions. What you get with Siemens Energy is obviously a much broader picture. You've seen, obviously, also the resilience from the order intake. This -- you've seen the programs, what we're driving. And at the end, the question is, okay, where do you get the better value increase over the next years to come. Obviously, we will drive, and Andreas has explained it, very much together. And at this point in time, also, I have to say being 4 months in the company, I have to say, at this point in time, there's no better answer than this yet, right? And the market is transforming. I strongly believe, at the end, the energy market, and I repeat one sentence from my presentation in the morning, it is about optionality. And I believe it's a strength to have options when you talk to customers and really capture all growth. There's a lot of things ongoing. So looking ahead 3, 4, 5 years down the road, honestly, is something, right, I have to see. We have to see a little bit on how it comes going forward. But we will definitely be with you on this over the next quarters to come and explain on how we transition the company. There was one comment, Daniela, if I recall correctly that you asked, is there any intention to change the setup, which is not in my plans today. We feel comfortable on the way on how we interact with Siemens Gamesa. And at this point in time, we are not planning any change of the current setup. So coming to my final words and really closing the session. First of all, many thanks to all of you listening in for a tough 6.5 hours. We tried to provide you as many details as possible to make you understand why Siemens Energy is such a fascinating company; why it's so important to be in the market really in terms of helping our customer to transition to a more sustainable world; and obviously, all the elements, what we intend to do going forward over the years to come. If there is any question not answered properly or where you have a need for discussion, please reach out to Michael Hagmann, obviously, in terms of either raising the question, or Maria and I will obviously be on the road show and tackle, obviously, all the additional questions which come up. I'm looking also forward at some point in time to see you in person. Obviously, we regret very much that tonight, we cannot have a joint dinner in a more social atmosphere. This is hopefully coming then at the next Capital Markets Day when COVID is hopefully behind us. And I'm looking forward to have this discussion. What is coming next? Next is coming 7th of September, the issue of the prospectus; 28th of September, obviously, ringing the bell and bringing, obviously, the company to the stock exchange. And then obviously, with this, I hope we get in a more regular mode in terms of quarterly releases, plus obviously, Capital Markets Day and seeing you regularly from time to time. I'm looking forward to this. I think we all are looking forward to this and really discussing with you the way forward of Siemens Energy. And with this, obviously, I would like to close the historic day-to-day, but not without really giving a big thank you to a fantastic team in Siemens and Siemens Energy who has, first of all, made this whole carve-out listing process, spin-off happening, but also prepare the Capital Markets Day. Once again, many thanks to you for staying with us during the day. Looking forward to see you. Stay healthy, stay tuned, stay purple. Looking forward to see you in the future. Thank you very much.

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