Sif Holding N.V. (SIFG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 14, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorHello, and welcome to Sif Holding N.V. Annual General Meeting of Shareholders of 2020. My name is Jose, and I will be your coordinator for today's event. Please note this conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand you over to your host, André Goedée, to begin today's conference.
André Goedée
executiveAll right, thank you, Jose. Good morning to everyone listening in on this call, and welcome to this Annual General Meeting of Shareholders of Sif Holding N.V. I'm André Goedée, and as the Chair of the Supervisory Board of Sif Holding N.V., I will be chairing this meeting. We are living in unprecedented times, and I sincerely hope that you and all those who are dear to you are able to stay safe and well. We are holding this meeting largely virtual to protect your safety. Alongside myself, this meeting is physically attended by the CEO of Sif Holding N.V., Fred van Beers; the CFO, Leon Verweij; and the Secretary, Fons van Lith; and a member of the Board, Peter Gerretse. The Chair of the Works Council, Wouter Nadorp, is listening in, in this call. We are at the office of Sif Holding at Mijnheerkensweg, Roermond. And the auditor, Mark-Jan Moolenaar of EY; and vote collector Jetty Tukker of Houthoff Lawyers dialed in on the conference call for this meeting. And we will hear Mark-Jan Moolenaar later on when we reach agenda item #3. I shall be chairing this meeting in accordance with Article 26 of the articles of association of Sif Holding N.V. And I hereby request Fons van Lith to act as the Secretary of this meeting and take minutes of the proceedings and resolutions adopted at the meeting. You're okay, Fons?
Fons van Lith
executiveYes.
André Goedée
executiveThank you. For the purposes of an orderly meeting, I hereby advise you that the meeting was announced, and those entitled to attend the meeting were called through the meeting by means of a publication posted on the Sif website on the 1st of April 2020. All those entitled to attend the meeting were invited and encouraged to vote by proxy, raise questions prior to the meeting and to follow the meeting via a webcast conference call. Bearing in mind the announcement on emergency legislation by government, Sif has decided to limit the number of persons physically attending this meeting. Therefore, Caroline van den Bosch, Peter Visser and Peter Wit, members of the Supervisory Board, will take part in this meeting by telephone. Peter Gerretse, who is present here physically, is the Chair of the Remuneration Committee of the Supervisory Board and will give an explanation of agenda item 3e, the remuneration report; and agenda item 7, remuneration policy. A total of 25,501,356 shares were outstanding on the date of the convocation of this meeting and the same number as it is today. All these shares are listed shares. No shareholders or their proxies have registered for this meeting. Stichting Rechtsbescherming Beleggers and V-E-B, VEB, have indicated their interest in live participation in the meeting and have dialed in on the conference call, and we will hear them probably later. 18,875,564 votes have been cast by proxy via the ABN AMRO securities portal, equivalent to 74.02% of the total outstanding share capital. We will state the number of votes cast on each item together with the numbers of vote in favor or against and the number of abstentions. There will be an opportunity for questions and answers on each agenda item. The operator will indicate who can address the meeting or ask a question. Once the question-and-answer session has been completed, I shall assess whether the agenda item has been adopted or not. For the record, I wish to emphasize that the meeting will vote and decide on all agenda items on the basis of the agenda item and the explanation of the item included in the notice convening the meeting, which has been posted on the company website. These documents are guiding for the content and the purport of the resolution put to the vote. As stated above, this meeting is being broadcast via audio webcast. A transcript of the meeting will be available on the company website within 72 hours after the close of this meeting. We will endeavor to publish the minutes of the meeting for the Sif website within 4 weeks of today. The decisions reached during the meeting will be communicated immediately after the close of the meeting in a press release and an announcement on the Sif Holding N.V. website. We can now move on to item 2 on today's agenda, the announcements. Sif Holding N.V. published a trading update in the -- on the first quarter of 2020 this morning. You may have already seen this. The update has also been posted on the Sif website. The CEO, Fred van Beers; and the CFO, Leon Verweij, will give a brief explanation on the Q1 update in their presentation under item 3 of the agenda. The slides used by Fred van Beers and Leon Verweij will be posted on the Sif website shortly after the close of the meeting. We will now move on to item 3 of the agenda. This is the annual report and financial statements 2019. 3a is the executive board presentation. 3b is the Supervisory Board report. 3c deals with the corporate governance report, and 3d the profit appropriation. Agenda items 3a to c -- through d, inclusive, will be dealt with jointly. The annual report 2019, of which the financial statements 2019 are part, was published on the Sif website on the 13th of March 2020 and made available for inspection at the Office of Sif Holding, Roermond on the same date. The CEO, Fred van Beers; and CFO, Leon Verweij will take you through the highlights of 2019. The financial impact of these and the statement of profit and loss and the statement of financial position will be discussed later when you are asked to adopt the financial statements 2019. Fred van Beers and Leon Verweij will also give an explanation of developments in the first months of 2020. There will then be time for questions. The report of the Supervisory Board, the corporate governance report and the appropriation of profit 2019 will be addressed, although these -- those will not be voted on. And I now hand over to Fred and Leon for the management presentations. Fred?
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveThank you, André. So good morning. My name is Fred van Beers. And once every year, we host our shareholders for the annual general meeting. It is a moment to explain how we are doing and what can be expected both short term and longer term. We always appreciate the discussions and the personal contact at these meetings. And we sincerely hope that, next year, we are back to a kind of normal. Meanwhile, we will give our best effort to achieve an equal level of explanation in this meeting. Elaboration and discussions are voted for in this webcast presentation. You will have an opportunity to raise questions after I've finished my presentation. And now I would like to turn to Slide 2. In this presentation, I will briefly touch upon the impact of COVID-19 on our business. Subsequently, I will talk about our strategy and our performance in 2019, to end with some remarks on the progress we made in the first quarter of this year. Our CFO, Leon Verweij, will join me in explaining how this all works out in our numbers. Let me start with a brief explanation on the impact of COVID on our business and how we try to prevent distribution of the virus amongst our employees and business partners. Let's move on to 3. Most important is that our employees and business partners stay safe and healthy. So far, we have managed to safeguard this. The crisis team at Sif, under my chair, meets twice a week via a Teams call. In every call, we calibrate the measures we have taken and discuss the necessity of redirections. On the slide, you see some examples of our current measures. Until now, we have not experienced any delays in supplies, nor in deliveries and payments. We had to adjust our working processes, which caused some inefficiencies during the last weeks of the first quarter, as you may have seen in our release this morning. We also had a higher absenteeism due to leave of employees living abroad and due to higher illness leave. This relates to uncertainty with employees and precautionary measures by us as management at the outbreak of the crisis and the implementation of the lockdown in the Netherlands. With these remarks in mind, I turn to the more regular business items, starting with our strategy on Slide 4. Becoming a total solution provider is our midterm goal. This is based on building design engineering skills, expand our involvement in secondary steel and offering marshaling services. We explained in our interim 2019 results webcast that DEME is our first client for these services. During the period October '19 till June '20, DEME uses our facilities for onshore preparation of their offshore installation activities. This involves Sif labor and logistic equipment and use of our land. Today, we have announced a second contract of this kind, even bigger, for the period '21, '23. Siemens Gamesa will use our location as a marshaling hub for their Hollandse Kust Zuid contract. For 2019, this new business resulted in approximately EUR 2.5 million in revenues and a healthy operating result of some 10%. In 2019, we also completed our EUR 6 million investment in 2 additional coating halls in time and budget. This addition to our coating capacity was necessary in the light of increasing coating requirements by our clients. Continuing increasing dimensions of the monopiles is a second reason. I will elaborate on this increase of dimensions a bit more on Slide 5. Let's move on to the next slide. On this slide, we give an overview of foundation types used in the offshore wind industry over time. Monopiles still account for at least 80% of all foundations applied. Gravity-based foundations and jacket foundations are applied on rocky seabeds, where monopiles are no option, although the Saint Nazaire experience with drilling holes in rocky seabeds now put in practice by DEME is followed with high interest. If we take a closer look at the monopile, then the development since the first application in 2002 is striking. The first monopiles Sif fabricated were for the Horns Rev project in 2002. Diameter was 4 meter, and the length of the monopiles was 32 meters. They carried 2-megawatt turbines. At this moment, monopiles are designed to carry 12-megawatt turbines. The lengths are 90 meters, with almost 9-meter diameters. Recently, Sif manufactured its 2,000th monopile. Our market share is approximately 40% of an installed base of over 5,000 units. Projects with monopiles up till 10-meter diameter are manufactured, as we speak, by others. Last year, the issue of design frontiers has clearly become more prominent. But to what extent can we increase the size of turbines and foundations within economically viable boundaries? And how far can we minimize the amount of steel used by decreasing the wall thickness? All this is an -- all this in an attempt to minimize costs and to facilitate offshore handling of monopiles and transition pieces. Let me elaborate on all these questions on the next slide. The offshore wind industry, by absence of standards, has applied the engineering assumptions of the more matured offshore oil and gas industry. With the increase of diameters and length, the industry has become more interested in savings on steel and implicitly expenses. An option is the decrease of wall thickness. To a certain extent, that is possible without impacting working methods to mitigate the effects and risks of deformation. The above picture illustrates what happens when decreasing wall thickness beyond certain limits without adjusting the manufacturing process. The tubular can loses its form and becomes an oval. Without adjustments in the production process like, for example, additional support during section building and additional strengthening of the tech welding procedures, the impact on production time, flow and cost is major. We have already invested in a diameter-over-wall-thickness-related adjustment and working processes in the last years, but at a certain moment, the savings on steel will be outweighed by costs of additional handling and investments. So let me give you our vision on the market and turn to Slide 7. As we explained at previous occasions, the increase in growth expectations of offshore wind is becoming more of a pattern. According to WindEurope, Europe added 3.6 gigawatt offshore capacity to the grid in 2019 or, in other terms, 502 turbines in 10 wind farms. This brings the total installed capacity in Europe to 22 gigawatts or just over 5,000 turbines across 12 countries. Over the past 2 decades, European wind industry has matured. It's our belief that this will result in better project controls, better planning and less volatility in the supply chain in the maturing European market. For the period until 2027, expectations remained strong with an expected average annual grid connection of 4.9 gigawatts in Europe and -- or 8.7 gigawatts globally. The main market remains Europe, but 2019 has demonstrated that countries like Japan, Taiwan and the U.S. are gradually maturing their plans or converting ambitions into projects. Please turn to Slide 8 now. As stated, Sif manufactured the 2,000th monopile in '19. Total for Europe until 2019 was a little over 5,000. This gives Sif a market share of, as said before, 40%. Other manufacturers include EEW and Steelwind from Germany with market shares of close to 40% and close to 20%, respectively. In addition, we see Bladt and Haizea as less-structural suppliers, so they may pick a bit of a share from year to year. Let's turn to Slide 9. On this picture, you'll see some of our 2019 investments. They include 2 additional coating halls, under number one; 20 hectares of land lease, under two; and a test turbine for General Electric, which is number three. The last investment was done by Twinpark Sif B.V., a 60% subsidiary of Sif Holding N.V. This subsidiary is consolidated in Sif's numbers, we'll come back on later. Let's move on to turn to Slide #10. People make the difference. So also in Sif they make the difference, like in any other company. Let me elaborate on a few changes made in our organization before going into the 2019 business highlights. During 2019, the management team was strengthened by Frank Kevenaar as the new COO. Frank has, in the meantime, reorganized his organization and took some tough decisions on the staffing of his operational team in order to get the right balance between technical, operational and people skills on critical positions in his team. As people management and development of people's skills are so critical, we are pleased that Jolanda Griffioen joined the management team as HR Director. She started in January with a task to help develop general HR support services and leadership skills in all layers of the organization. Although people's health and safety is high on the agenda, the actual health and safety performance has been too low for too long. For this reason, we decided to invest in a dedicated HSE manager reporting directly to me to lead the team separate from the quality team. The new quality team manager has been given the task to not only focus on the traditional rolling and welding processes but to also assure a holistic approach on quality in all integrated processes and products in Sif. Joost Heemskerk will be the Head of Sales from 1st of June 2020 onwards, replacing Michel Kurstjens, who will fully focus from that moment on, on market and product development which is a function becoming more and more important given the rapid scale-up developments in the offshore wind market. Finally, I'd like to highlight the importance of a good cooperation with the works council. In 2019, a new team was elected under the chair of Wouter Nadorp. By putting the right balance between challenging the management and supporting decisions made by the management, I believe the works council of Sif does definitely prove its value for the company, and we're really pleased with that. Let's move on to the next slide. In 2019, we produced 185 kilotons, which is the equivalent of 190 monopiles and 130 transition pieces, against 138 kilotons in 2018. In the first 3 months, we mainly manufactured for Borssele 3+4, the project that slipped into 2019 following late steel availability and low waters in rivers which slowed down the delivery of steel plates to Roermond and transportation of cans from Roermond to Rotterdam. This impacted also the activities for Q2 and to a lesser extent Q3. Projects came under time pressure, and we had to adjust production sequences to avoid liquidated damages on projects that shifted as a consequence of the Borssele 3+4 delay. Only in Q4 we regained better control, and operational efficiency improved consequently. The startup of new projects and completion of ongoing projects have their own dynamic, also in terms of profit and loss and cash flow. We will explain more on that later on. In Q2, we started Seamade, Borssele 1+2 and Triton Knoll. And the financial dynamics of this peak of startup projects are reflected in the first half year results and cash flow. Let's move on to Slide 11. As far as new projects are concerned, we won Hollandse Kust Zuid 1 to 4, which is 140 monopiles or the equivalent of 136 kilotons. Saint-Nazaire was booked, 80 monopiles; Akita Noshiro, 33 monopiles or 25 kiloton. Saint-Nazaire was 77 kiloton. And we had Borssele V project, which consists of 2 innovative monopiles. Based on the current sentiment in the global oil and gas market, we expect the production volume in 2020 to end in line with the current order book, which is 170 kiloton. For the period '21 and later, we included an undisclosed project only recently, where we are in exclusive negotiations with a client for a total of 130 kilotons, and this would bring our order book for that period to 230 kilotons. We move on to Slide 12, which is my last slide. So before I hand over to our CFO, Leon, for financial implications, let me elaborate on nonfinancial performance of the company, although I see it as an integrated accountability. We realized an improvement on a -- total CO2 emissions. These emissions per kiloton decreased from 42.5 in 2018 to 23.7 in 2019. The 12-megawatt windmill on Sif's plant in Rotterdam started production in December '19. This will contribute to a further decrease of Sif's CO2 footprint in the future or even make it negative or positive, whatever you want to call it. Consumption of natural gas decreases to 82.5% of last year's consumption. Less positive were our safety statistics. With a total recorded injury frequency of 19.1 and lost time injury frequency of 2.39, we were not only higher than in 2018, but we were also far off our own targets. As said before, we have taken measures for improvement, and we are happy to see that statistics have improved since last quarter '19. So let's please turn now to Slide 13. And Leon, I hand over to you.
Leon Verweij
executiveThank you, Fred. Let me kick off with some information on numbers of employees. The flexibility to adjust expenses to our workload is mainly in labor costs. This can be observed in 2018 numbers, when the amount of flexible workers was relatively low with 41% compared to 51% in 2019. It also impacted the support staff-factory floor comparison. The flexibility is mainly in the factory floor workers with 77% in 2019 compared to 75% in 2018. Turning to the next slide, I will explain how this worked out in our numbers. Discussing the business in 2019 and the results, we have seen a gradual recovery as the year progressed, especially during the final 2 or 3 months. Production planning normalized and project deliveries were within agreed time frames. This, combined with certain projects reaching the load-out status and subsequent lowering of contingencies, resulted in an improved quarter, if compared to the first 3 quarters of the year. Production was at a similar level with better production and cost control. Contribution per ton was high and came out at EUR 548 compared to EUR 538 in 2018. The net earnings were almost EUR 8 million better than in 2018 but lower than we had expected at the start of 2019. Given the CapEx level of 2019, the investments foreseen for 2020 and the uncertainties the world is facing at the moment, the management decided its diligence to decide to add the full net earnings to the reserves of the company following a dividend payout in the loss-making 2018. This implies no net dividend for the 2019 book year. And if we then turn to Slide 15, we see the movement in contribution, EBITDA and contribution per ton. As from 2019, there are no more normalizations to EBITDA that relate to the IPO in 2016. The EBITDA effect of IFRS 16 is approximately EUR 4.3 million. Contribution per ton has increased since the end of 2017. Based on our order book and the market funnel, we assume that contribution per ton for 2020 should return to the low EUR 600s. On the next slide, you see our situation as far as our financing is concerned. We have renewed our banking arrangements early in 2019 with a new expiry date 31st of March 2022. With a EUR 250 million guaranteed facility and a EUR 100 million revolving credit facility, we are well set for the current and future financial and market environment. A look at our working capital requirement and net debt situation hereafter will demonstrate this. The graph explains how comfortable we are on covenants, and if you studied our Q1 release of this morning, this feeling will be even stronger given the net cash position of the company. We did not succeed in 2019 in realizing the incentives on footprint targets, but we are determined to succeed in 2020. On the next slide, you see the development of working capital requirement and net debt over time. As said in earlier presentations, this is a snapshot situation rather than an indication of structural working capital requirement. It also indicates that Sif has conservative financing and, with a good year, combined with modest CapEx only, can become a net debt-free company. In 2019, we completed EUR 6 million additional investments in coating facilities and approximately EUR 9 million in production layout adjustments. EUR 6 million relates to the investment in the consolidated subsidiary for the windmill on Maasvlakte with a 12-megawatt Haliade. Special attention is required for the additional land lease we did in Rotterdam. We have already leased 42 hectares and have added 20 hectares in 2019. Sometimes, new accounting rules give us a better insight, but we very much doubt if this is the case with the IFRS 16 adjustments and the impact on the presentation of effects of our land lease more in particular. We, therefore, have included a bridge in our annual report indicating the difference in reporting. This graph on net debt, we have presented net debt on a pre-IFRS 16 basis. Under IFRS 16, the net debt amounts to EUR 80 million. Please turn to the next slide. Let us take a look at the update on Q1 we released this morning. With less production compared to the first quarter in 2019, we realized higher contribution. The relatively low production relates to the startup of some new projects, Saint-Nazaire and Akita Noshiro more in particular. Productivity and results were impacted with this but also with higher absenteeism due to illness and uncertainty in March 2020. Nevertheless, contribution margins with EUR 594 per ton were already close to the low EUR 600s we guided for the full year 2020. First quarter results and general market situation in oil and gas indicate an estimated total production of 170 kilotons for the full year. With contribution at low EUR 600s per ton, EBITDA is expected to arrive at the same level as in 2019. Other ratios demonstrate the healthy cash position we are in. This is also reflected in covenant ratios of 0 leverage and 44% solvency. Please turn to the next slide. The order book for 2020 stood at 170 kilotons at the end of 2019. This implies that we have 135 kilotons in our books for the second, third and fourth quarter of this year. The 100 kiloton we had in our order book for 2021 and beyond is increased by the newly won contracts and exclusive positions for the period 2021 and 2022. It now totals 230 kilotons. The market for the period '21 to '27 looks promising, according to the industry analysts. And with that, I close this presentation and now hand over to the Chairman to open the microphone for any questions.
André Goedée
executiveThank you very much, Fred and Leon. Before I turn to -- I take inventory of the questions you may have. We have received 14 questions from the association of shareholders, the V-E-B or the VEB; and I would like to handle these 14 questions prior to continuing with possible other questions. And you may find that, if we read the question in English and we provide you an answer, that your question may have already been answered. And I would like to hand over to Fred van Beers for question number one up to question number twelve. And you will do that, Fred, together with Leon, I take it.
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveThank you, André, because the last was important, that I do it together with Leon, indeed. So let me start with question one, and I will translate the Dutch question into English: Does Sif expect negative impacts, consequences of the COVID-19 problem with respect to running and maybe delaying future windmill -- offshore windmill park developments? Well, it's without saying that COVID-19 has a huge impact on the world economy. We follow this, of course, with -- very closely and especially in our own sector, in our own market. Up till now, we see that both on the supply side and on the delivery side there are no indications of structural problems or delays. And of course, we have seen the Hollandse Kust Noord stepping -- or Vattenfall stepping out of the Hollandse Kust Noord tender, but for the running projects, we don't see any consequences yet. For us, the COVID issue had, had an impact, of course, on our own personnel. We elaborated on that already a little bit, and that's what you also see back in our Q1 update for now. And that mainly had to do with us being very cautious on people that we suspected could have COVID. We sent them home from our sites, and that sort of examples were leading to this efficiency effect. How the future will develop is, in our view, not to be foreseen, but we keep a close watch on it. The second question relates to Japan. Sif has opened a small sales office in Tokyo; and we have signed our first deal, Akita Noshiro. Does Sif see mid- to long-term possibilities to open a production location in Asia to serve the market from there? Well, the answer is as follow. We do see the Asia developing. To be more explicit: Asia highly focuses on Taiwan and Japan. Taiwan is predominantly a jacket market. Japan is indeed now opening up. We do need a more structural and longer-term order pipeline to make a good assessment on yes or no starting a production facility in Japan because transports from Europe will in the long run be too expensive and time consuming. But we follow the market. We are in constant dialogue locally, but for now there are no concrete plans to do anything of that kind. The third question relates to the U.S. Production of U.S. offshore farms like Vineyard is very volatile, on the -- on one side. And on the other side, we see a scale-up of projects. They're becoming increasingly bigger, so there is a need for more predictability. Does this development which is very volatile on one side and the increasing size of projects on the other side create a different approach when you look at these U.S. projects whereby you want -- we have a profitable market on one side and a very unsecured market on the other side? Well, the answer, and hopefully, understanding the question correctly, would be that it's still a young -- a relatively young, industry, offshore wind. Market in Europe is far ahead of other developing areas, so we see a lot more stability servicing there, although with -- always with the disclaimer of COVID-19, but so far, so good. And that's where our focus is. I mean Europe is still developing rapidly. There's still a lot more need for offshore wind, so for us Europe will remain the focus market. The rest, we will follow. We look at them. And for us, U.S. is basically -- U.S. projects are valued the same way as European projects, but we focus on those projects that fit us best. Going to question four that relates to incidents and sick leave. The numbers have remained high and they clearly are above our own targets. What measurements has Sif taken and will be taking to contribute to an improvement of these indicators? Well, I already touched a bit on it during my presentation. But we clearly saw an improvement, up till the COVID-19 outbreak, with respect to sick leave that temporary went up, for clear reasons, but has come back down in the meantime. We are focusing, though, on further decrease by also, yes, asking for external assistance, which we have started up. We have invested in HSE, not only in the team but also in more training; toolbox meetings, upfront onboarding trainings; and focus on the leaders, the management on the floor, on the shop floor, to pay better attention to that. And we see the payoff of that coming since the fourth quarter of last year, and that continues this year. And that, I think, is what I would like to answer on these questions. And I'd like to hand over to Leon on number five.
Leon Verweij
executiveNo problem if you continue, but...
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveI won't.
Leon Verweij
executiveOkay, the next question we received is about the number of outstanding days of our receivables that have come down substantially in comparison to 2018. And the question is whether this is a maintainable level; and whether we see any pressure on payment terms maybe, as an example, of the COVID-19 crisis. First of all, I would like to say that the comparison to 2018 is a little bit a funny comparison because 2018 was in that sense, of course, a very special year where we only had one job to do. So the comparison there goes a little bit strange. Is the level maintainable, and do we see any pressure? Yes, I think the level is maintainable, but you have to keep in mind that arrangements and agreements are made on a project basis, yes. So payment terms are depending on what we agree upon in a contract. And fortunately, as soon as we send out an invoice, then there's already a notice agreed by the customer that we can send that invoice and that they will pay. For the moment, we see no other talks, negotiations, et cetera than we have seen in the past. The next question is that our prepayments received from our clients are at the lowest level in the past years and whether we expect that our clients for a longer period of time will be able or willing to prefinance less. I think that our Q1 numbers already prove that we don't foresee that. The situation has completely turned around, of course. And what you see in the annual report is just a moment in time depending on where you are in a project. And also you have to keep in mind that all our projects are basically, on the client side, financed by project financing, so at the very moment that we sign a contract, usually, at the start, the money is already in place. Then the next question is that we seem to be paying our suppliers faster than before, by the end of 2019. And whether we expect any -- whether this pressure on working capital will...
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveStay.
Leon Verweij
executiveStay, continue. Well, again if we look at the first quarter, you will see the exact opposite. Again, the situation by the end of 2019 is a snapshot. We see no any negative developments as to working capital requirements are concerned. At the moment, it's just business as usual. So we don't see no -- any additional need for working capital at the moment. Then the next question is whether it's possible that Sif has to choose between margin and cash in a project and specifically whether we would accept large -- lower margins but earlier payments and shorter payment terms. Yes, of course, we always have clients that want to pay less and pay nothing. That's always part of a negotiation process. That's the same in any project that we have done. We always look, when accepting a project, to a couple of things. What is the margin? Do we feel the margin is acceptable? What is the cash flow? We have cash flow prognosis for every project. And usually it's not a payoff between margin and payment terms because -- I want to reiterate that our projects are usually project financed, so -- and the money is available. So it doesn't really happen that we have to make a choice, we have to make a choice whether we find the margin that we can achieve acceptable, yes or no. Then the next question is -- and I have the feeling, Fred, I have more than -- questions than you have...
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveYes, you do.
Leon Verweij
executiveWhether with -- the statement is that with clients' milestones will be defined during a project, after which can be -- they can be invoiced. And the question is what developments do we see, as far as those milestones and invoicing is concerned, on the -- in 2019 and 2020 closed contracts with clients; and whether those agreements differ from, for instance, the situation in 2017 and 2018. Well, I can say there that we don't see any difference there as to the past in that sense. It's also business as usual. The milestones defined are usually very logical milestones, which have to do with steel supplies coming in, monopiles being ready, et cetera, et cetera. So that development is the same as we've seen in the past. Then the next question is what our experience is with variation orders and disputes with our clients and what our track record is as to the -- really be able to invoice and collect any accounted claims. Well, there I can say that -- I can give an easy answer, yes, that our experience, as far as the accounted claims is 100% since we only account for claims, yes, if we are sure that we will get it. So our normal practice is that we'll take all the costs. And if there is any claim or variation, yes, which could benefit for us, we will only account for that when there is an agreement with our customer that we will get it. So in that sense, the figures we present are always maybe a little bit conservative, but that's the way we have been doing that consistently. Do we have negative experiences? Well, the negative experience might be that you always ask for 120% and you only get 80%. But not really negative experiences. Then the next question is we have increased our guarantee facility. Why was that necessary? And whether there is a direct relation with the contracts in the U.S. and Japan. Well, on the latter, there is no direct relation with contracts in the U.S. and Japan. Why did we increase the guarantee facility? First of all, we have, of course, running guarantees and also warranty bonds, yes. They run for a number of years, so you stack them up before they expire. And we looked at the market development for the coming years. And we made an estimate, yes, as far as prepayment bonds and warranty bonds, et cetera, what the necessity would be to be able to continue working in the business as we have been doing in the past few years. And that was the reason why we increased that guarantee facility. And then the last question for me on this page, I think, is that, at the same time, the number of bank guarantees, per -- at the end of 2019, that were actually delivered to clients have hardly gone up, all -- despite the higher activity level. The question is whether clients ask less guarantees or whether this is just a snapshot. Well, I can confirm this is just a snapshot. Normal practice is that we will have to issue a prepayment bond if there is a prepayment in play. We have to issue a performance bond. And at the end of the job, we have to issue a warranty bond, which will then last for a couple of years. So no change in policy there. Then I give back to André, I guess.
André Goedée
executiveAll right, Leon, Fred, thank you very much. There are a number of questions with regard to the discussion of the Supervisory Board report. I would like to deal with those questions first and then ask the operator whether there are any other questions. And I will turn the next question to Peter Wit, as it deals with a question in regard the internal audit. Peter?
Peter Wit
executiveThank you, André. The question here is what alternative measures Sif has taken to remedy the fact that it does not have a internal audit function. On that internal audit function first: Given the size of the company, we have considered it not opportune at this stage, in terms of costs and benefits, to appoint a separate internal auditor and to have a separate internal audit department. This is being remedied by asking specific outside parties such as accounting firms, obviously, or also Ernst & Young but also, on occasion, other firms to do specific audit operations and external control activities on the activities we do in house.
André Goedée
executiveAll right, Peter, thank you very much. The last question on agenda item 3B relates to the remark of the Supervisory Board in the annual report about the performance of Sif in 2019. We have expressed our concern in respect to the quality and incident rate of the company. We have said something about internal factors and external factors. We have said that we were dissatisfied with the overall performance of the company in 2019. And the question is whether, other than what is mentioned in the annual report, we have any specific qualification with regard to dissatisfaction on both the internal and the external issue as well. You will have to realize that, after the start of the factory in Rotterdam, the process of Sif overall has become an industrial process whereby the factory in Roermond has changed from a stand-alone facility to a provider of components for the factory in Rotterdam. You have to realize that each monopile is unique. Each segment produced in Roermond is unique. The sequence in which these segments are manufactured in Roermond is unique, and the transportation of these segments to Rotterdam and the sequence in which they are provided to Rotterdam is unique as well. It will allow Rotterdam, if they are provided in the right sequence, to have a continuous process of making sure that the monopile is provided or is manufactured in the fastest possible way. Each small issue on quality in Roermond that needs to be corrected in Rotterdam disturbs the continuity of the process, and a small issue may become a bigger issue if the chain of events in the process between Roermond and Rotterdam is disturbed. Looking at the results of 2019, we have had many discussions with the executive management on specifically these issues in order to improve and to make sure that ultimately the whole process is without mistakes and can be performed as efficient as possible. And the process of improvement is continuous, is going on as we speak; and we see definitely improvements in that process. And ultimately if that process is in fact going without the small issues in Roermond and ends up in the most efficient way of production, we can adapt to the best possible way, to the continuous changing mix of projects from year to year. In 2019, the one external factor that has played an issue here is, of course, the Borssele 3+4 project that was contracted in 2018. The project itself, entered in 2019, took much longer than we had initially considered. As the margin was lower in order to create continuity in 2018, it has affected the numbers in 2019. So those factors, internal and external, basically were the issues that we pointed out in the annual report as well. After these 14 questions, I would like, operator, to take inventory whether there are any more questions on particularly those subjects.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] We have no questions coming through at the moment -- sorry, we have a question from [ Hugo Roelink ] from VEB.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeI wanted to note that we don't have any further questions on these first line of questions. So thank you very much for answering.
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveWelcome.
André Goedée
executiveWelcome. We may have some additional questions from [ Mr. Stevens ]. And Leon, can I ask you to...
Leon Verweij
executiveStart?
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveI will help again.
Leon Verweij
executiveOkay. We will -- I'll make a start, and then I guess I'll reiterate with Fred according to the number of questions. First question we have was that whether we are still guiding that the EBITDA in 2020 would be higher than 2019. I'll think that already in the press release of this morning we made clear that, due to the situation which we experienced in the first 3 months, we now expect an EBITDA which is comparable to the level of 2019. The second question is somewhat longer, but basically the question is that we're living in an uncertain time. And the question is whether we did any stress test to get visualization of the development of our debt, our liquidity, cash flow, et cetera given obligations to pay interest, redemptions; and whether in a worst-case scenario the continuity of the company is safeguarded. And more specifically is the question whether in a worst-case scenario Sif will be compliant with banking covenants, in which scenario there would be a serious liquidity shortage and how vulnerable we are for a heavy recession or depression? Well, let me start by saying that, yes, of course, we did some -- we did stress testing. We did that on the basis of several scenarios, but nobody can look into the future and be sure what the future brings. So you have to make assumptions. And basically the scenarios we investigated were what would happen if we would be placed in a situation by a government where we have to close down the factory for a certain period of time. What would happen if that situation would arise with certain of our suppliers? What would happen in a situation like that if clients would cancel or stop existing jobs? And we even assumed that in those scenarios we have a yes-or-no used force majeure situation which is included in our contracts. Will Sif, in the worst-case scenario -- because the worst-case scenario is, of course, that all your orders are canceled. You have to close your factory, mandatory. And you get nothing supplied, then I think the answer is there is no continuity. I think, that guarantee, nobody can give. Do we have -- and I think that the real issue behind this question: Do we see in the foreseeable future any liquidity issue? Then my answer is no. One of the reasons behind that is, please keep in mind, and that also goes to some of the other questions, that we renewed our financing arrangements in the beginning of 2019, that those are committed financing arrangements. So they can't be canceled for one day or another. We still think that we are able to stay in a positive liquidity situation for quite some time. And with the financing we have in place and which we can count on, we see no reason to expect that there will be a serious liquidity shortage or whatever situation coming towards us. The next question was whether we have any talks with the banks about banking facilities for the financing of new projects that in 2022 or afterwards begin. No, we didn't. Of course, I had talks with the banks, but we put the new financing arrangement in place because we feel that with EUR 100 million credit line we've arranged there, yes, we do have sufficient financing in place to be able to finance those projects if and when required. And second to that, we have 2 options to even extend the term of this financing for another 2 years beyond the current expiry date.
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executive[indiscernible]
Leon Verweij
executiveThen -- yes, give me the time to drink something. So if you'll take the next question, Fred...
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveYes. You've had your fair share already, so let me take over question number four that concerns 2018. "You had to build Borssele 3+4 with quite a price reduction. Do we expect -- do we, Sif, then expect impacts on the results of 2020 because of that project?" The answer is no. The project has been delivered in 2019. And the -- although the delays in end of '18 had an impact on '19, they will not have an impact on '20. Question number five concerns Vineyard Wind. As well known, Vineyard Wind was taken out of our order book due to the fact that the owners of -- or the developer of Vineyard Wind did not get an environmental impact permit. So we took it out, but on the other hand, we at Sif also say that it still is alive for the future. So the question is, "Can you tell us whether you're still in talks with the developer?" The answer is -- and do you follow the developments at distance? We do both. So we follow the developments, are -- and are in regular contact with the Vineyard Wind team in Boston. Are there signs that a project on short notice again offers or will offer opportunities of being pushed -- or pulled forward because of the rapidly increasing unemployment rate in the U.S.? And we still see -- and we assess, still consider Vineyard a future opportunity. Well, we have not been given any signs that the corona effect on the local U.S. economy has an impact on speeding up the Vineyard Wind offshore wind program. They're still waiting for the permit, and that program remains unchanged. Question, next question. We -- it relates a little bit to the question we had already with respect to accidents and incidents, so I'll keep it relatively short. The question is, "You have a new manager who made excessive -- or extensive analysis, has organized all kinds of actions and rolled out trainings and meetings. Can you also give us a clear number on where we stand today with respect to incidents and accidents?" Well, as this morning also published in our trading update, we are on the right track with respect to the incidents, and we're not hiding anything here. The year-to-date fact is that we have had 1 minor LTI, so lost time injury; 1 medical treatment incident; and 6, well, this is, first aid incidents. And with that, we are far below 2018 levels, so let alone '19 levels. With this trend, we should do way better year-end 2020 compared to '19. Is there any impact of corona on this? In principle, not. There is no impact. Having said that, we are taking extra measures on corona in the factory, meaning that certain processes are even slowed down a little bit more. And every workstation, in the meantime, executes a last-minute risk assessment which also includes corona, but no corona impacts on the numbers. The other one. We do have a corona impact, as said before already, have had an impact on the illness rate. That's for sure, sick leave, but I think this was only about -- does not matter. What precautions have been taken on corona? We explained a bit on that already in the presentation, I think, quite a bit, so I would leave it -- like to leave it there. Then the last question on this topic. Are -- what are the analyses of the HSE manager? Are there still virtual meetings, for example, in these times and other trainings? Yes, there is a 3-year structural improvement plan agreed with the management team whereby we aim for a level 4 to 5 on the safety culture ladder. That is the standard safety culture ladder that everybody in the industry uses. The baseline is a continuous training, toolbox meeting, safety audit, safety tours and last-minute risk assessment program besides safety updates and publications of structural safety and structured programs for new employees and visitors. So there's an excessive program in play with a long-term, high ambition. Number seven. The question -- that question relates to suppliers. "Can you tell us something about how it goes with supplies?" Already touched on, but it's in that respect business as usual. On a frequent basis, I personally am in direct contact with our key steel and steel flange suppliers to inform each other about trends and corona-related specific challenges, but so far, everything is okay and undisrupted. Are there delays with respect to deliveries? Answer is no. And how is the contact? I said it already. It's excellent and on a very frequent basis, again, we touch bases. Are there disruptions in the fabrication process? Well, with reference to the trading update published this morning, there have been limited disruptions by the -- during the end of Q1, and we have seen that continuing in the beginning of Q2 due to the corona impact. We have to take measures to keep people apart. People are dealing with a certain level of fear, and home situations do force them to stay home. So that means that, with the already mentioned higher sick leave, we had to hire in extra people and had to reorganize our processes here and there. The first half of 2020 is a transition period for the completion of the overstressed order book 2019 via a relative slow period now, due to the Vineyard Wind topic, into a full factory load during the second half of Q2 and the second half of this year, with Akita Noshiro, Saint-Nazaire and Hollandse Kust Zuid 1-4 in full production. Are the deliveries within the agreed terms with the customer? The answer is no customer suffered from a delay in their installation campaign due to Sif deliveries. So that's all fine. "Do you suffer from low level -- low water levels in the rivers at this moment?" No hindrance as the water levels are good. Water management policies have changed in Germany and the Netherlands from a progressive water discharge policy to a more conservative "keep the water in" policy in the country, I mean, to reduce the risk of a similar situation as we faced by the end of 2018. And that brings me to question eight then. Unfortunately, Leon, I give that one to you again.
Leon Verweij
executiveWell, the question eight is a question about the dividend stating we are not paying out any dividend this year, and the question is whether we have thought about paying out a stock dividend out of our agio reserve. Well, the answer there is that we didn't think about doing so because it would only be sort of a redistribution of our equity and just increase the number of outstanding shares without, to my opinion, that bringing too much of a benefit to our shareholders. And then the last question there -- That's for later.
André Goedée
executiveI think we're -- we have dealt with all of the questions that we received on the executive board presentation, the Supervisory Board report, the corporate governance report and the profit appropriation. And you can find these issues, the report of the Supervisory Board, corporate governance report, appropriation of profit. These are enclosed in the annual report, on the Pages 36 to 37; 28 to 34; and Page 34, the appropriation of profit. And the content includes a list of the points of the corporate governance code for which Sif diverges. We have dealt with the questions on these topics, but operator, let me ask you to take inventory or if there are any more questions on the aforementioned agenda items. And if not, then we can move on to item 3e. Operator?
Operator
operatorWe have no further questions.
André Goedée
executiveAll right, thank you very much. We can now move on to item 3e of the agenda, the remuneration report. This is a decision-making item, and you're requested to cast an advisory vote. The remuneration report 2019 is included in the annual report 2019. The remuneration report was also the subject of the auditors' report and was also published on the 13th of March 2020. And I'm very pleased to give the floor to the Chair of the Remuneration Committee of the Supervisory Board, Mr. Peter Gerretse, who luckily is here physically present. And he would like to give a brief explanation of the report.
Peter Gerretse
executiveOkay, thank you, André. And good morning, everybody. The remuneration report explains, among others, how the remuneration complies with our policy, how it contributes to the long-term performance of the company and how financial and nonfinancial criteria were applied. And as said before, the remuneration report is included in annual report, as in previous years. We have received some questions from parties, including Eumedion and VEB prior to this meeting, and based on that, we considered presenting some information differently as of next year. And this more specifically applies to the summary of the executive board remuneration, as presented on Page 38 of the annual report. This summary reconciles with the recognition in the statement of profit and loss. This implies that adjustment to previous years may be recognized in the year under review. This summary includes a provisional bonus for 2018 which is paid in 2019. But if you look at Slide 26, we will show the bonus for the consecutive years. And the bonus for 2019, for the CEO, is -- for the year 2019 is EUR 79,870 or 21.2% of the basic salary; and for the CFO, approximately 78,000 or 27.6% of basic salary. And maybe it's good to remind you that the on-target bonus for the CEO is 40% of the basic salary, and 30% -- 35% for the CFO. All this, of course, is subject to approval of the annual report by the shareholders. André?
André Goedée
executiveOkay, Peter, before I go back to the operator to take inventory of other questions. We have received 2 questions on this particular item, the remuneration report, from the Dutch Association of Shareholders. Peter, would you like to read the questions in English and provide us with an answer?
Peter Gerretse
executiveOkay, there are 2 questions. The first one is the short-term incentive of 2019 for the executive board was dependent on financial and personal targets. What is the individual score for each of the quantitative and personal targets? And our answer is this, that we are not going to disclose this information at this moment. And that is because in a very small market with only 3 to 4 competitors, in which Sif is the only listed company, it is difficult to communicate about individual targets without giving away too much commercial and strategic information. The second question. In the remuneration report it's mentioned that the Supervisory Board has used its discretionary power to adjust the short-term incentives downwards. Please give some explanation. And our answer is that my remark is in the remuneration report that concerns the bonus over the year 2018, so not the bonus for 2019. And taking it -- into account the disappointing results of 2018, the Supervisory Board has indeed adjusted the short-term incentive over 2018 downwards.
André Goedée
executiveAll right, Peter, thank you very much. Operator, with these 2 questions answered, we are now ready to listen whether there are any additional answers -- or questions on the remuneration report, item 3e on the agenda.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] We have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveAll right, thank you very much. No other questions or comments, I can inform you of the voting results for the resolution on the remuneration report. The number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 16,024,012, which represents 84.9% of the votes. The number of votes against cast via the portal are 2,821,910, which represents 14.9%. The number of abstentions cast via the portal are 29,642, which represents 0.2%. There are no votes in favor cast at this meeting, no votes against cast in this meeting and no abstentions cast in this meeting. The total number of votes, I'll remind you, are 18,875,564, a total of 100% of the votes. And with those numbers, I conclude that this resolution is adopted. The voting results will be reported in the minutes of the meeting, and the remuneration report will be published on the Sif website as a separate document after close of this meeting. And we will now move on to the agenda item 3f, the discussion on the financial statement 2019. And the financial statements are part of the annual report 2019. This was published on 13th of March 2020, including an unqualified opinion issued by the company's auditor. The auditor is listening in by phone at the meeting and can answer any questions from shareholders when I give the floor to Mark-Jan Moolenaar, our external auditor. The CFO, Leon Verweij, prepared the financial statements. The auditor will begin by giving a short presentation on the financial audit of Sif. And before I give the floor to the auditor, I wish to state the following: The company has relieved the auditor from his obligation of confidentiality during this meeting. In addition, the auditor is under the obligation to adjust materially inaccurate statements and communications relating to the financial statements or the independent auditors' report. The auditor will adjust any materially inaccurate statements during this meeting or before the minutes are published. The auditor will give a presentation of the audit process and the financial statement procedures. And I'm now pleased to give the floor to Mark-Jan Moolenaar, the auditor of EY. Mark-Jan?
Mark-Jan Moolenaar
attendeeThank you, André, for this introduction. Thank you all for listening in today. I'm pleased to give you a brief presentation on our audit 2019 of Sif Holding N.V. I've prepared a slide which will address a little bit on scope, on the strategy of our audit and the execution of our audit. Let's start with scope. We have audited the statutory and the consolidated financial statements of Sif Holding N.V., and we have investigated whether the financials comply with the regulations and give a true and fair view in line with IFRS and the Dutch law requirements. We also evaluated whether the content of the management report complies with the financial statements itself and whether the content is aligned with our knowledge of the organization. These are the legal requirements that we need to comply with for the audit of Sif Holding N.V. And in addition, we have also been involved in the press releases as well for the financial -- press release also for the annual financial statements 2019. If we go to strategy. As the external auditor of Sif Holding N.V., I am ultimately responsible for the audit. In order to take that responsibility, I have compiled a team of experienced and capable experts, which include besides auditors also other experts from EY. And those experts that we need -- that we use in the audit are in the area of the IT environment as well as on taxes and especially on corporate income taxes in this case. In addition, for certain specific topics in the audit, I've also involved other experts from within EY. For instance, if you talk about the IBR, so the internal borrowing rate which we use when we audit the valuation of the leasing. Materiality. Materiality is always -- is also some -- includes some subjectivity as always, but materiality is the term that we use as the limit above which we request, which we demand management to adjust for their financial statements in case that there are errors in excess of that amount, and so the amount that we consider acceptable. When -- we use an earnings-based materiality concept, and for 2019, we used contribution margin. And when addressing later on some of the questions, I will come back on that a little bit further. The materiality amount that we use in the audit, of course, is not used in all disclosures. For certain disclosures, especially on the management remuneration, we use way lower materiality acceptable amounts and minor deviations of -- we feel that are acceptable there. The materiality that we have used in the audit of the consolidated financial statements from Sif Holding N.V. is EUR 1.8 million. A deviation above this amount could change your vision on the financial statements while reading them. Any deviations above this amount would have been adjusted in the financial statements. Otherwise, we would have not issued an unqualified audit opinion. In addition, we also compiled a list of smaller deviations. And all deviation in excess of EUR 90,000 have been discussed with the Supervisory Board. If we go to execution. And execution, we use the materiality concept that we just briefly discussed, in addition to the -- our risk assessment of the organization, and we tailor our audit procedures to that. Our audit approach is top-down and risk-based, which will mean that we focus on the final product of the audit, so the audit opinion to the financial statements. And we direct our audit procedures to those areas where we expect that the largest risk from material deviations may occur. This approach is also in line with Dutch standards for audit assignments. During the year, we have also discussed our risk assessments with the Audit Committee and included that in our audit plan. This has also been discussed with the Audit Committee Supervisory Board, and they agreed to our audit plan. In this audit plan, we have the -- we've reported the audit risk that we identify and the detailed audit procedures that we will perform in order to mitigate the risk. On the right side of the slide then. So then we come or then we arrive at the key audit matters. We have listed the main areas whereby we focus our audit procedures on, and probably good to shed a little bit further light on those 2. The first one is valuation of contract assets and liabilities, which includes also revenue recognition. It's a similar key audit matter as in prior year. This relate to valuation of the project, which is based on the -- for which the progress is based on the hours incurred in relation to the total hour estimate of the project. It includes also some significant estimates runs on the -- around those production hours, cost estimates as well as also claims and contingencies. The related balance sheet positions are EUR 30 million debit and EUR 70 million credit, whereas the total revenue amounts to EUR 325 million. And already mentioned by management, largest projects during 2019 were Seamade, Borssele as well as Triton Knoll. If we go to implementation of IFRS 16. So this is a new key audit matter in 2019. And we identified it as a key audit matter, as it was a significant change in the regulations which had quite an impact on Sif. It's quite a complex accounting area, and Sif has also some large long-standing contracts in that regard. So the impact of the implementation at January 1, 2019, resulted in a EUR 38 million contract asset and lease liability, which was added by EUR 24 million as a result of the investments in -- or the new contract concluded in 2019 in Rotterdam, as already mentioned by Leon. The impact of this implementation of this new standard was EUR 0.7 million compared to the old standard. We determined, based upon the audit evidence that we received, whether those estimates and assumptions of management are reasonable, that it's all in the context of IFRS as adopted by the EU. As the -- as we concluded that the financial statements complies with IFRS as adopted by the EU, we are not in a position to conclude whether those estimates are conservative or aggressive. What we can confirm to you all is that the estimates of management, based on the information that was available to us, are in line with what we consider are reasonable in the business that Sif operates in. Based upon our audit, we have been able to issue now an unqualified audit opinion, which is also included in the financial statements. And we can confirm that we have sufficient audit evidence in our files which support our audit opinion. And our audit opinion is in line with IFRS as adopted by the EU as well as the Dutch law requirements. This concludes, I think, my presentation.
André Goedée
executiveOkay, Mark-Jan, thank you very much. We have received, as you know, 6 questions from the Dutch Association of Shareholders that relate very much to what you have just said in your presentation, but I would like you to read these questions in English for our audience and provide an answer if it is any more exhaustive than what you have already mentioned in your presentation. Can you do that?
Mark-Jan Moolenaar
attendeeYes, I will do that. I will try to keep it brief. The first question that we -- was addressed to us relates to the fact that we changed the materiality metrics that we used from profit before tax in prior year to contribution. And in 2018, we used indeed profit before tax, but keep in mind that we used a 4-years average because 2018 was a loss-making year. For 2019, we've chosen to apply the materiality solely on the basis of the performance for Sif over 2019, whereby we considered the contribution as a KPI, a key performance indicator, for the entity, which also is reflected in the financial statements. And I think, if you can recollect also in the presentation of management before, contribution was a fairly recognized metric there. The amount that we use is based upon the general accepted assumptions that, in case that if there would be an error in the financial statements in excess of this amount, that could or might change your opinion after reading the financial statements. Question two relates to whether the fact that we applied a higher materiality level has had any impact on the design or the planning of our audit as well as the execution of specific audit procedures. First, to reflect a little bit on 2018, I would like to remark that materiality last year was relatively low compared also to the prior years, yes, so 2017 and before, which resulted also to the loss-making situation in 2018. As a result of that, it could be and it is logic that the materiality that we apply increases at the moment that the operational activities and the results of the entity improves. The audit plan and our procedures hereon have not changed as the impact overall -- the increase in materiality is relatively limited. And we've applied pretty much the same audit plan that we had for 2018. Question 3 relates to performance materiality and whether we've used that in our audit. And in case how high that materiality was. What we do in our audit, so in our audit, we also gather, and also as I already mentioned before, we also list errors towards the Supervisory Board, which are way lower than the EUR 1.8 million of planning materiality that we use. As already mentioned, so we list all amounts in excess of EUR 90,000 with the Supervisory Board and also with management. While performing our audit procedures, of course, we apply thresholds. And based upon the risk assessment of the specific accounts and assertions, we apply lower thresholds while executing our audit. And so the details of our procedures that we performed are even lower than the EUR 1.8 million of PM that was mentioned in our materiality. Question 4 relates a little bit to unpredictability and the way that we apply that in our audit. Yes, unpredictability is always a main concern or a main topic in our -- in the determination of our detailed test procedures and the quality of our audit procedures as a total. And so the detailed test procedures are based upon selections that we sometimes make before we enter a Sif location, but also sometimes when we are on a Sif location. As we determine those selections, Sif is not aware of the specific elements. And in that case, we can also guarantee that we have unpredictability in our audit procedures. Question 5 relates to the way that EY addressed management assumptions related to claims and contingency in our audit procedures. Whether that has resulted in adjustments in the valuation on the balance sheet as well as the audit approach compared to prior years. Probably good to mention that our audit approach has not changed compared to prior year. Also for 2019, we have used a substantive audit approach, whereby we divide a lot of attention to the evaluation of the contractual arrangements with customers, testing of management estimates and the challenges of the all factors and circumstances, which underlie the assumptions of management of Sif. Part of the question relates to -- the question is whether the audit differences has resulted in adjustments. I would park that part of the question, and probably good if the Chair later on can address that because that's part of the communication between us and the company. Question 6 relates to the -- is a question that we received which relate to the fact that Sif doesn't have a formal internal audit department. What our remarks were and whether we had any recommendations towards the Supervisory and Management Board on the way that Sif -- the lack of the internal audit department is compensating. My answer here would be that the question related to the management and the content of the management as well as the -- our audit report, whereby we have included some remarks -- some improvements or recommendation towards Management and Supervisory Board, that those would be addressed to the Supervisory Board and the Management Board as such. What I have done, as external audit, I have an unshared responsibility for the object of the auditor and the conclusion thereon. As such, also indicates that if there would have been an internal audit department in place at Sif, I personally would have made sure that we have -- would have done sufficient audit procedures in order to base my opinion on. Based on the -- based upon the business activities and the projects of Sif, we always would have had performed sufficient and detailed substantive test procedures in order to assess the estimates and assumptions of management. And André, you mentioned 6 questions. I have a seventh here also.
André Goedée
executiveYes. I do, too.
Mark-Jan Moolenaar
attendeeOkay. Great. Then I will address that one. The seventh question relates to, again, also to the lack of the internal audit function as such within Sif. And whether that had any impact on our audit procedures over 2019, and whether that could be quantified in time and in additional activities. I'm probably repeating myself a little bit because also, as already mentioned, in all cases, so if Sif would have an internal audit department or would have not have had an internal audit department, we would, in all situation, performed detailed substantive test procedures with regard to the estimates and assumptions of management, especially in light of the business activities and the projects of Sif. So that would not have that much impact.
André Goedée
executiveAll right. Mark-Jan, thank you very much. Operator, could we check if there are any other questions from our audience on the financial statements and the auditor report other than the questions we have just answered?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] We have currently no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveAll right. Thank you very much, operator. The financial statements 2019 are included in the Annual Report 2019 as published on the Sif website. And pursuant to Article 30.5 of the company's Articles of Association, the General Meeting of Shareholders is now requested to adopt the financial statements. And I can inform you of the voting results on the resolution on the adoption of the financial statements 2019. The number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 18,874,437, which represents 99.98% of the votes. The number of votes against cast via the portal are 451, which represents 0.01%. The number of abstentions cast via the portal are 676, and that also represents 0.01%. There are no votes in favor cast at this meeting. No votes against cast at this meeting. No abstentions cast at this meeting as well. And with that being 100% of the votes, I conclude that the resolution is adopted. We now move to agenda item 4, the discharge of the Executive Board and the Supervisory Board. The discharge of the members of the Executive Board on this item relates to the resolution pursuant to Article 25.1 of the company's Articles of Association to discharge members of the Executive Board for the liability for their management in the year 2019. This discharge from liability relates to the management conducted for as far as known from the Annual Report 2019 and other information made available to the General Meeting of Shareholders. Operator, could you see whether there are any questions with regard to the discharge of the members of the Executive Board?
Operator
operatorWe have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveAll right. Then I can inform the audience of the voting results of the resolution to discharge the members of the Executive Board of Sif from liability for their management in the 2019 financial year. The number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 18,873,447, which represents 99.99% of the votes. And the number of votes against cast via the portal are 2,117, which represents 0.01%. Are we still there?
Operator
operatorYes. You may continue.
André Goedée
executiveCan we continue, operator?
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveYes. He said please continue.
Operator
operatorYes, please continue.
André Goedée
executiveThank you very much. The number of abstentions cast via the portal are 0. The number of votes -- and there are no votes in favor cast at this meeting. No votes against cast at this meeting. And there are no abstentions cast at this meeting. Totaling 100%, the resolution is herewith adopted. And we move to agenda Item 4b, which is the discharge of the Supervisory Board. This agenda item relates to the resolution pursuant to Article 25.1 of the company's Articles of Association to discharge the members of the Supervisory Board from liability for their supervision in the 2019 financial year. This discharge from liability relates to the supervision conducted for as far as known from the Annual Report 2019 and other information made available to the General Meeting of Shareholders. Operator, can I ask you to see if there are any questions on the discharge of the members of the Supervisory Board?
Operator
operatorWe have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveThank you. I can inform you of the voting results on the resolution to discharge the members of the Supervisory Board of Sif from liability for their supervision in the 2019 financial year. The number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 18,873,447, which is 99.99% of the votes. The number of votes against cast via the portal are 2,117, which represents 0.01%. There are no abstentions cast via the portal. There are no votes in favor cast at this meeting. And no votes against cast at this meeting. Together -- and there is no abstentions as well. And together, that represents 100% of the votes. And I conclude that the resolution is herewith adopted. We move on to agenda item 5, which concerns an appointment of a member of the Supervisory Board. The next business is the appointment of a member of the Supervisory Board. And in accordance with the rotation schedule, Peter Gerretse will step down on the close of this meeting. Peter Gerretse was born in 1955 and has Dutch nationality. He was appointed member of the Supervisory Board of Sif in 2016, and his first four-year term of office ends today. Peter Gerretse has stated that he wishes to be considered for reappointment. Peter Gerretse has relative and relevant expertise and experience in international business-to-business, project management, industrial production and production automation. Peter Gerretse was appointed member of the Supervisory Board of Vanderlande Industries B.V. in 2017. He was formerly a member of the Supervisory Board of Aeronamic Holding from 2010 to 2017. Peter Gerretse worked at Vanderlande Industries from 1995 to 2013, most recently as President and CEO. Peter Gerretse held various positions at Fokker Aircraft before Vanderlande Industries. And Peter Gerretse studied aerospace engineering at Delft University of Technology. Peter Gerretse does not hold any shares in Sif Holding N.V., and he received an annual fixed remuneration of EUR 45,000, exclusive of travel and accommodation expenses. The Sif Works Council and the General Meeting of Shareholders are not exercising their right of recommendation for the vacancy that arises on Peter Gerretse stepping down. The Supervisory Board nominates Peter Gerretse for reappointment to the Supervisory Board of Sif Holding N.V. I establish that no declarations of objection against the candidature of Peter Gerretse has been issued. And I have to add that the Supervisory Board is very pleased with the very professional and experienced contribution of Peter in the past 4 years. Peter, before I turn to other questions, we have received one question that specifically asks you to tell us why you would like to be reappointed. And what your experience in the past 4 years with Sif has been that provides you the additional motivation to continue?
Peter Gerretse
executiveOkay. Mainly, when I was asked to join the Supervisory Board of Sif in the autumn of 2015, I started with visiting the facility in Roermond and having several discussions within the company. And I was really impressed not only by the huge products, but especially by the specialist knowledge and the long-term experience of this company. But also by the hands-on, result-oriented, family type of culture. And the fact that the company is operating in a developing field of offshore winds was an additional motivation. But you only want to join a Supervisory Board if you have something to add, if you have an experience which is helpful in controlling or assisting the company. And I thought, and I still think, that I have experience which can be of value to Sif. And I see a great future for Sif in her markets. We all know that we have had our challenges the last few years due to external and internal reasons. But I honestly believe that with the current management, we are on the right track with the company and that we are still in attractive markets, although we cannot completely foresee the medium-term effects of the corona crisis, nobody can. But for the long term, I have a lot of confidence in these markets and especially of Sif's position in these markets. And based on that, I would be very happy to continue as a member of the Supervisory Board for the coming years.
André Goedée
executiveThank you very much, Peter. Operator, I would like to hear if there is any specific questions on the appointment or the reappointment of Peter Gerretse.
Operator
operatorWe have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveAll right. Then I can inform you of the voting results for this resolution to reappoint Peter Gerretse as a member of the Supervisory Board for a 4-year period. The number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 18,679,956, which represents 99% of the votes. The number of votes against cast via the portal are 195,608, which represents 1%. The number of abstentions cast via the portal are 0. There are no votes in favor cast at this meeting. No votes against cast at this meeting, and no abstentions cast at this meeting. Altogether, this represents 100% of the votes, and I conclude that this resolution is adopted. Peter, congratulations on your reappointment.
Peter Gerretse
executiveThank you very much.
André Goedée
executiveAnd we're very happy with the fact that you can continue for another 4 years. We would now like to move on to the next agenda item, the appointment of the auditor of the company and the adoption of the resolution for the appointment of the auditor for the year -- for the period 2020 up and including 2022. The Supervisory Board proposes on the recommendation of its Audit Committee that Ernst & Young Accountants LLP, named EY, be appointed external auditor of the company, and to entrust EY with the audit of the annual report and the financial statements for the years 2020, 2021 and 2022. This proposal followed an evaluation of the services provided by and the performance of EY in previous audits, which yielded a favorable outcome. It is proposed that the current appointment of EY be extended for a 3-year period to provide for continuity and consistency in the services provided for the external audit and with due regard for the effectiveness and the efficiency of audits in previous years as well as for the amount of the audit fees and the reliability of the officers. EY was appointed external auditor of Sif in 2007 and of Sif Holding N.V. at the time of the IPO in 2016. Mark-Jan Moolenaar bore the ultimate responsibility for the audits in previous years on behalf of EY. But he will be replaced by René Frentz. And if he is on the call, which I have not checked at the beginning, for which I apologize, René is pleased to introduce himself. Is that a possibility, René?
René Frentz
attendeeYes. It's René Frentz. I'm also on the call. Just a brief introduction. Audit partner of Ernst & Young in the Netherlands and have been in audit for almost 20 years now. Also active in the international audit practice, working with listed clients, and also let's say, I have been asked to take over the responsibility of Mark-Jan.
André Goedée
executiveAll right. Thank you very much. The cooperation with Mark-Jan over the years has been very professional and agreeable. We, as Supervisory Board, we -- and looking at the respect we have for each other's position, always arrived at a satisfactory audit that, in turn, resulted in an unqualified opinion. And I have to say that -- I say this also on behalf of the executive management and the Supervisory Board, that we are very grateful to Mark-Jan for his services and wishes him every success with his following assignments outside Sif. Mark-Jan, thank you very much for a very pleasant cooperation, professional. We wish you all the best in your next steps in your career.
G.G.P.M. van Beers
executiveHere, here.
Mark-Jan Moolenaar
attendeeThank you for those nice words, André.
André Goedée
executiveOperator, could you tell us if there are any questions on the reappointment of the auditor?
Operator
operatorWe have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveThank you very much. Then I can inform you of the voting results on the resolution for the appointment of EY as the auditor for the years 2020, 2021 and 2022. The number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 18,503,940, which represents 98%. The number of votes against cast via the portal are 371,624, which is representing 2% of the votes. There are no abstentions cast via the portal. There are no votes in favor cast at the meeting. No votes against cast at the meeting and no abstentions cast at the meeting. And together, this all represents 100%, which gives me reason to conclude that the resolution is adopted, and EY is appointed auditor of Sif Holding for the years 2020, 2021 and 2022. And René, we look forward to our future cooperation.
René Frentz
attendeeThank you. Same here.
André Goedée
executiveMoving on to agenda item 7, which is the adoption of the remuneration policy. The next business is the adoption of the remuneration policy for the members of the Executive Board and the Supervisory Board of Sif Holding N.V. And the Chair of the Remuneration Committee, Peter Gerretse, will introduce this item right now after I give him the floor. Peter?
Peter Gerretse
executiveYes. The current remuneration policy dates from Sif's IPO in 2016. In 2017, this remuneration policy was supplemented with a long-term incentive plan for members of the Executive Board. The Supervisory Board, with advice from the Remuneration Committee, proposes to replace this plan with the remuneration policy that is based on the prevailing policy, which is broadly in line with the provisions of the new shareholder rights directive as implemented in Dutch law. The Works Council was requested to give its opinion on the proposed remuneration policy, which is rendered on the 19th of March 2020. This opinion is published in the documents for this meeting. The opinion was positive with 2 conditions and 2 recommendations. The Supervisory Board has agreed to the conditions, which read as follows. One is that the Works Council will be kept informed on the benchmark studies as these will be performed from 2020 onwards. And secondly, any performance criteria communicated in the future, perspectively or otherwise, will be shared with the Works Council. The Works Council also made 2 recommendations. The first one is to ensure that the pay ratio does not exceed the current level and keep this within a bandwidth of 6.8 to 8.9 as prevailing in the 2017-'19 period. The Supervisory Board does not regard the pay ratio range proposed by the Works Council as a provision that belongs in a policy. The policy prescribes that there must be alignment between the remuneration of the Executive Board and the workforce. Describing this alignment in a pay ratio spread in a policy could have an undesirable impact on future decisions, for example, when setting remuneration in line with the market for the purposes of the appointment or retention of members of the Executive Board. We are of the opinion that the Works Council range is a reasonable spread for the current structure, certainly when bearing in mind that the Sif pay ratio has remained well within this range for many years. Therefore, applying this spread is not a problem at present. However, we will certainly enter into discussion with Works Council, should there be a reason to abandon this range at some time in the future. Consequently, we regard the spread as reasonable in the current conditions and market dynamics, and we will follow it without prescribing this in a policy. The second recommendation is to maintain a balance between short-term and long-term remuneration that tips towards long-term remuneration. At the moment, the long-term incentive is 20% of basic salary on awards. This is in line with a smaller listed company market. Whether this incentive is also 20% of the basic salary at the time of payment depends on price developments. And we will certainly examine this recommendation, although its inclusion in the policy is complicated by the uncertainty in the longer-term remuneration at the time of payments. Consequently, the text we have received is identical due to text submitted to the Works Council and on which the Works Council rendered its positive opinion. The Supervisory Board accepts the Works Council conditions and takes heed of their recommendations, although these will primarily be reflected in the annual remuneration reports. These are also placed on agenda of the future annual general meeting of shareholders. André?
André Goedée
executiveOkay, Peter. We have received a number of questions on this agenda item 7. These are questions introduced by the Dutch Association of Shareholders. Peter, could I ask you to read these questions in English and then provide us with your answer?
Peter Gerretse
executiveOkay. There are 5 questions of the VEB concerning the remuneration policy. And I will take the liberty to combine the first 3 questions. The first one, question 24, within the remuneration policy, the short-term incentive is for 60% dependent on the achievement of the following criteria: contribution, EBIT and result of capital employed. Are there any other financial criteria that Supervisory Board may use in the future? And when will the Supervisory Board communicate these other criteria? Question 25 is what are the personal targets for the Executive Board for the year 2020? And Question 26, will Sif comply with the requirements of the new shareholder directive, and as a result, communicate individual financial and nonfinancial targets and results for the Executive Board? My answer is the following: first of all, the financial targets, as mentioned in the policy, are the most important ones. But of course, we may add other targets in a specific year like net debt to working capital. However, as mentioned before, we will, at this moment, not disclose individual targets and results because we think it's not in the interest of the company to disclose commercial and strategic important information, taking into account that we are mainly active in the wind power foundation industry with a very small number of competitors. And in this small market, we are the only one -- the only listed company. However, we understand the background of your questions. [Audio Gap] Then I go to question 27. The emphasis within our remuneration policy should be on the long-term incentive. However, within Sif, the emphasis is more on the short-term incentive. Please explain why the Supervisory Board has chosen for this relationship between short-term and long-term incentive. And secondly, the Works Council of Sif had advised to change this relationship in favor of the long-term incentive. What intends the Supervisory Board to do with this advice? And thirdly, will the Supervisory Board confirm that in the next revision of the remuneration policy, there will be more emphasis on the long-term incentive? And my answer is, first of all, one remark. In 2016, the remuneration policy was approved by the shareholders' meeting, with, at that moment, only a short-term incentive. In 2017, a long-term incentive plan was added to the policy and also approved by the shareholders. Under this new policy, long-term performance shares are awarded but not yet vested or paid out. Although at award date, the long-term incentive represent 20% of basic salary, it may differ at the moment of payout. As a result, the exact relation between short-term and long-term incentive is not yet clear yet. I'd also like to mention that the relationship between short-term and long-term incentives, as mentioned in the current policy was in 2017 in line with the policies of comparable small-listed companies in the Netherlands. And lastly, the importance of a long-term vision for the company is fully supported by the Supervisory Board, and we will evaluate the coming year if we should adjust the remuneration policy concerning the relationship between short-term and long-term incentive, taking into account your remarks, as said before, and also taking into account the recommendation of the Works Council. And on the -- the last question is question 28, which concerns also the long-term incentive policy. The long-term incentive policy uses performance share units, a sort of phantom shares, which will be paid out at the end of the performance period in cash. Please explain why the Supervisory Board has chosen to use PS, performance share, units instead of shares? And the answer is, at the moment, the policy allows for an award in shares or in performance share units. We have chosen until now for the more straightforward method of performance share units. Within Sif, as a rather small-listed company, we like to keep things as simple as possible. And at this moment, we do not see any additional advantages of awarding in shares instead of performance share units. André?
André Goedée
executiveAll right. Peter, thank you very much. The Association of Shareholders would like me to read a voting declaration during the meeting and this consists of 2 items. First of all, the Dutch Association of Shareholders mentions that they give a high value to a well-balanced remuneration policy. They think that the balance -- a right balance between the short and the long-term components of the variable pay are -- need to be a crucial part of the remuneration policy. And in the opinion of the Association of Shareholders, this particular fact is not sufficiently covered by the Sif remuneration policy. The second remark is the fact that the Association of Shareholders think that there is this balance between the variable pay and the interest of shareholders. In short, they consider it important that when the shareholders have a negative result, that this also applies to the award -- the variable award of the management. They also reiterate their preference for an award of Sif shares after 3 years of performance. And also that after award, these shareholders have a lockup for a number of years. Having read the statement of the VEB voting resolution, I would like to ask the operator if there are any specific questions on the remuneration policy in our -- coming from our audience.
Operator
operatorWe have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveAll right. Thank you very much. I wish to remind you that this resolution, in contrast to all other items voted on today, requires a majority of 75% of the votes cast at this meeting to adopt the policy. And I can inform you of the voting results for this resolution to adopt the proposed remuneration policy as follows: the number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 16,024,387, which represents 84.9% of the votes. And the number of votes against cast via the portal are 2,851,177, which represents 5.1% of the votes. There are no abstentions cast via the portal. There are no votes in favor cast at this meeting. No votes against cast at this meeting and no abstentions cast at this meeting. Representing 100% of the votes, I conclude that this resolution is adopted and suggest that we move on to item 8 of the agenda. This deals with the authorization of the Executive Board. The next business is the authorization of the Executive Board to acquire and issue shares or rights to subscribe for shares in the capital of the company and to restrict or exclude preemptive rights specified in the Articles of Association. There are 2 separate subjects. Agenda item 8a is the authority to acquire shares in the capital of the company. This resolution grants the Executive Board the authority for the period of 18 months from 14th of May 2020 onwards, and with the approval of the Supervisory Board, to acquire shares in the capital of the company other than for no consideration, including by means of derivatives, stock exchange transactions, private transactions and block trades, et cetera. The authority of the Executive Board to acquire shares in the capital of the company is subject to a maximum of 10% of the issued and paid-up capital of Sif on the 14th of 2020 -- 14th of May 2020, and at a price between the nominal value of the share and 110% of the average closing price on the last 5 stock exchange trading days prior to the execution of shares in the capital of the company. The resolution replaces the authority of the Executive Board granted to the Executive Board on the 3rd of May 2019. Operator, could I ask you to see if there are questions on this particular subject on the agenda?
Operator
operatorWe have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveAll right, then I can inform you of the voting results on the resolution to grant the authority to acquire shares in the capital of Sif Holding N.V. And the number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 18,875,111 and this makes my task very easy because this represents 100% of the votes. There are a number of abstentions cast via the portal, 300 -- or 450, which is close to 0%. And a number of votes against cast via the portal are 3, which also is considered 0%. Reaching 100% of the votes the resolution is hereby adopted. I move on with Item 8b on the agenda, which is the authority to issue and to grant the right to subscribe for shares. This agenda item relates to the resolution to renew the authority of the Executive Board to issue shares in the capital of Sif or to grant rights to subscribe for shares in the capital of Sif for a period of 18 months from the 14th of May 2020 onwards and with approval of the Supervisory Board. This authority, however, is limited to 5% of the issued and paid-up capital on the 14th of May 2020, and an additional 5% of the issued and paid-up capital on the 14th of 2020 in connection with acquisitions, mergers, demergers or strategic alliances. Operator, do we have any questions on this agenda item?
Operator
operatorWe have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveI can inform you then as a result that the resolution -- on the resolution to renew the authority of the Executive Board to issue shares or to grant rights to subscribe for shares. The number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 18,870,798, which is 99.97% of the votes. And the number of votes against cast via the portal are 4,763, which is 0.3%. There are no abstentions cast via the portal -- I'm sorry, there are abstentions cast via the portal, and these are 3, which is close to 0%. The number of votes in favor cast at the meeting are 0. There are no votes against cast at the meeting and there are no votes of abstentions cast at the meeting as well. Altogether, this is 100% of the votes, whereby the resolution is adopted. Item 8c of the agenda, the authority to restrict or exclude statutory preemptive rights of the shareholders. This agenda item relates to the resolution to renew the authority of the Executive Board to restrict or exclude preemptive rights of shareholders. And it is proposed that this authority be renewed for a period of 18 months from the 14th of May 2020 and requires the approval of the Supervisory Board. Operator, do we have questions on Item 8c of the agenda?
Operator
operatorWe have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveThen I can inform you of the voting results for the resolution to grant the authority of the Executive Board to restrict or exclude the preemptive rights of shareholders. The number of votes in favor cast via the portal are 18,870,798, which is 99.97%. And the number of votes against cast via the portal are 4,766, which is equal to 0.3% of the votes. There are no abstentions cast via the portal. There are no votes in favor cast at the meeting and there are no votes against cast at the meeting. There are no abstentions cast at the meeting. The number of votes ends up to be 100%, which makes me to conclude that the resolution is adopted. Well, that brings us close to the end of our meeting. Ladies and gentlemen, we have now arrived at the last agenda item, and I'm pleased to offer you the opportunity to ask any additional question before I close the meeting. Operator, do we have any additional question from our audience?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] We have no questions coming through.
André Goedée
executiveWell, thank you very much, operator. If there are no further questions, then I close the meeting. And I wish to thank our audience, everyone, for their interest in -- and the commitment to Sif. Unfortunately, we cannot hold a reception after this meeting and there is no opportunity for informal discussions, like we have every year. And I can tell you that we deeply regret this. But at the moment, the end justifies the means. Our goal for all of us is to stay healthy and safe during this crisis. I wish all of you the best and sincerely hope to meet you next year in good health and to be in a position to personally shake your hands. Thank you for your attention and understanding, and please stay healthy. Thank you.
Operator
operatorThank you for joining today's call. You may now disconnect.
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