Silvergate Capital Corporation (SI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 15, 2020

NYSE US conference_presentation 40 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#1

Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Eugene Koysman, and I cover U.S. banks, along with my colleague, Jason Goldberg, at Barclays. Welcome to the Silvergate Capital fireside chat. With us today are the CEO, Alan Lane; CFO, Tony Martino; and Head of Corporate Development, Ben Reynolds. [Operator Instructions] With that, Alan, Tony and Ben, I want to welcome you to our first -- to your first appearance at our conference. Maybe we can start with a quick introduction of the company, what you do and what sets you apart, especially for investors who are new to the space.

Alan Lane

executive
#2

Sure. Thank you, Eugene. It's great to see you, and really appreciate this opportunity to present the Silvergate story. And for those new to Silvergate, we believe Silvergate is the leading provider of innovative financial infrastructure solutions and services to the nascent but growing digital currency community. We have entered the digital currency industry on purpose back in 2014 after initially doing some research on what was then bitcoin only. There are a lot of other digital currencies that have been developed since then. But back then, it was primarily bitcoin. And what we discovered back in 2013 was that there was a need for banking services for new businesses that were being formed to provide services to the digital currency ecosystem. And what started out as a deposit, a basic deposit services for this industry has grown into a global platform. We have customers around the globe who rely on the connectivity that we provide. We've created a network effect, it's referred to in the industry as the Silvergate Exchange Network, or the SEN. We have close to 900 customers in the digital currency space. It is an institutional focus. We connect digital currency exchange platforms such as Coinbase, Gemini, Bitstamp, Kraken to institutional investors. Those are hedge funds, money managers, proprietary traders, folks that are pursuing digital currencies as an asset class. And we connect them over our -- over to SEN, so that they can conduct their business 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. We believe we are the first bank in the world to bring the legacy banking system that only operates during -- business hours during the week into the 24/7 cryptocurrency markets that just they never sleep. And so with that as an introduction, we're happy to take the conversation wherever you like to take it.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#3

Excellent. So maybe you can talk about how your businesses evolved since the IPO last year, both on the regulatory front and in terms of new business initiatives. I think a lot of investors have had a pretty good overview when you were going public and it would just be good to refresh it as well.

Alan Lane

executive
#4

Sure. Happy to do that. And I'm glad you brought up the regulatory aspect because one of the things that I failed to mention in my intro was that we obviously are -- remain in very regular contact with our regulators. This is a highly regulated space. There are a lot of eyes on it. And going all the way back to 2014, when we first entered the space, we invited the Federal Reserve and the California state banking department into our offices to discuss with them how we were thinking about this industry. And they've been with us every step of the way through our annual exams, our periodic BSA compliance exams, et cetera. And we would not be able to be in this business if it wasn't for that relationship that we have with our regulators. As far as how we have been doing since the IPO, we IPO-ed in the fourth quarter of last year. So when we were on the road, I'm talking with potential investors, we were referring back to third quarter 2019 metrics. And just to get some of the high-level metrics there as we move through to the end of the second quarter of 2020, our customer growth has been about 17%. That's not an annualized number, that is literally a 3-quarter from third quarter to second quarter of 2020, 17%. The number of transactions moving across the SEN has exploded. That has grown by 180% during the last 3 quarters. The dollar transfers over the SEN has grown by 133%. And to give you a point of reference, in the third quarter of 2019, there were just under $10 billion transacted across the SEN. That grew to $22.4 billion in the second quarter of 2020. Fee income is growing nicely, up about 50%. The deposit's up about 16%. By the way, this is a non-interest-bearing deposit initiative. DDA represents 94% of our total deposits. And so those metrics are just outstanding. In terms of new products, last year, when we went public, we were talking about a new foreign currency exchange product. That is progressing nicely and contributing to the growth in fee income, the 50% number that I just referenced. We also were talking about the potential to start lending against bitcoin. That's a product that we refer to as SEN Leverage. We introduced a pilot in January of this year. And so for the first 6 months of 2020, that pilot has been performing exactly as we would have hoped, and we're really looking forward to providing an update at the end of the third quarter in how we're doing with SEN Leverage. Other items that we can talk about, if we have time, digital asset custody. The OCC made a recent announcement that, that is a permissible activity for national banks. We already knew that, but it's great to have that validation. And then also the proliferation of U.S. dollar-backed stable coins. So lots of opportunity for Silvergate. And so things are -- have been going very well, notwithstanding the pandemic. And let me just finish off on that point because while we certainly didn't anticipate a pandemic, all of the moves that we've been making over the last several years to position Silvergate to be the leader in this digital currency industry has really positioned us well to not only survive but thrive in a digital-first economy.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#5

So one of the questions that we get a lot is trying to size up the market for institutional traders, so trading in additional currencies and bitcoin specifically. You mentioned over $20 billion in transfers on the SEN. And I believe you have 560-some-odd institutional clients and over 60 exchanges. How much room do you think is there for more traders coming into the space? Meaning, is there opportunity for additional large institutional traders to join? Or is it mostly the smaller players are trading?

Alan Lane

executive
#6

Yes, that's a great question. And Ben answers this question really well. I mean when you think about the size of the market, the crypto market is still being very, very small compared to the broader financial market. So Ben, do you want to touch on that a little bit?

Ben Reynolds

executive
#7

Sure. Yes. So if you start with bitcoin, and you look at bitcoin that has a total market value today of roughly $200 billion, and then you think of bitcoin as a digital store value, similar to gold or an asset of that, there's a lot of people that believe that bitcoin has a way to go in terms of just the store value use case alone. So that's sort of one data point. And then when you think about sort of what's going on in the macro environment in terms of fiscal and monetary policy, what we're seeing is we're seeing macro investors look at the asset class and make an allocation to bitcoin. And I guess 2 of the examples that I would highlight are Paul Tudor Jones earlier in the year, and then recently, a publicly traded company called MicroStrategy that trades on the NASDAQ. MicroStrategy, I think, sort of took everyone some -- for a surprise in the sense that they've looked at -- they've clearly done their research on bitcoin. And just this morning, announced that they've upped their allocation in bitcoin to $425 million. To put that number in perspective, they have a total market cap, they trade on the NASDAQ, and their market cap is about $1.3 billion. As of quarter end, I think their total balance sheet was about $850 million. So what they've said is -- and they're a business intelligence firm for those that don't know. But what they've said is they're going to keep 1 year's worth of working capital in cash. And beyond that, they're going to keep -- they're going to hold bitcoin for some of the inflationary reasons and whatnot. What's significant about that, I think, is that was a treasury decision that they made. And when you think about all of the corporations that are out there and all of the treasury departments, I think after this news, some of those folks need to start thinking about putting some bitcoin on their balance sheet. And so that's something I think that caught a number of people by surprise. And those -- so then to tie that into kind of how that relates to Silvergate, as Alan was mentioning, Silvergate has built this two-sided network of exchanges on one side of the network and market makers and institutional investors on the other side of the network. And so in order to settle those transactions in U.S. dollars, our clients use SEN in order to do that 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. So the last thing I'll say on this point is just in addition to kind of the trader universe, we know that there's a number of pension funds, endowments and traditional money managers that are looking at the space and have been doing research.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#8

Right. So I think you have about 566 institutional investors in total as of -- for the second quarter. What -- how does that compare to the total number of traders in the space? Meaning, how much more room you have for adding clients? And I think you've been adding a couple of hundred clients a quarter or so.

Ben Reynolds

executive
#9

Yes. It's really hard to estimate how many -- how many traders there could be. What we've seen over the years is folks that are trading traditional asset classes, equities and derivatives, are taking some of those same strategies and putting them into digital currencies and trading on platforms like Coinbase and Gemini and Bitstamp and Kraken, folks that are customers of Silvergate. So it's hard to say how many of those kind of conventional traders would move into digital assets. But when you just think about, as you mentioned, the 560 compared to capital markets as a whole, it feels like there's definitely some room to grow there.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#10

Got it. And maybe we can talk about your new product, the SEN Leverage. Can you talk about the rollout over the last 2 quarters? And also how much market demand you see for it today? And where do you think it goes in the next year or 2?

Alan Lane

executive
#11

Sure. So SEN Leverage is a product that we began working on it almost 18 months ago. We started working on it in the first quarter of 2019 and had our first regulatory conversations in July of 2019. Importantly, I mentioned earlier that we stay in regular conversation with our regulators. And when we first approached them about bitcoin collateralized lending, they kind of chuckled and said, "Well, we've been expecting this." And so it was a great dialogue. We went through with them how we were thinking about the pilot, and we officially launched the pilot with 1 servicing partner in January of this year. And we've been very open and upfront with the fact that we intend to be very careful with this rollout, very prudent. We have very good credit metrics in the rest of our portfolio, and we actually believe this could be some of the best lending we've ever done because the bitcoin collateral is liquid. It's a bearer asset. If you compare this to lending against any other asset, if your borrower doesn't pay you back, then you've got to get control of the asset, liquidate it. In this case, we have the asset in our possession when we make the loan. And it's a market that trades 24/7. So as far as the pilot goes, we announced a second partner, servicing partner in the month of May. And the pilot is progressing exactly as we would have hoped in terms of our dialogue with customers, with additional servicing partners. We are continuing to work on adding both new customers, new borrowers as well as new service providers. And we'll provide an update at the end of the third quarter as to the status of the pilot. But in general, based on what we see with other lenders out in the space, and I may ask Ben to touch on this briefly, there are a couple of other lenders out there who are customers of ours, who have had significant demand and significant success of lending against bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, so that gives us confidence that there is a significant market opportunity there. Ben, do you want to touch on -- yes, I'm sorry.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#12

See if you can talk to the competition in the space.

Alan Lane

executive
#13

Yes, sure. Ben, do you want to -- you want to take over from there?

Ben Reynolds

executive
#14

Yes. So one of the firms that Alan referenced that's been the most public is a firm called Genesis Global Capital. And they announced at the end of the second quarter that they have about $1.4 billion outstanding in a loan portfolio related to digital assets. And Genesis has said publicly that they have about 50 clients that are making up that $1.4 billion number. So as we think about the opportunity for Silvergate, we have those 566 clients that you mentioned, Eugene. And most of those clients are looking for some type of capital efficiency or leverage on their bitcoin. So if you just took a round number and said, 300 of those 566 would be looking for, and I'm just making that number up, but looking for the loan product, and then you say, if it's $1 million, then it's a $300 million opportunity. If it's $10 million, then it's a $3 billion opportunity. So it's hard to say exactly where that number will go, but we -- just based on the dynamics of digital -- of the digital currency industry, I'll touch on that in a second, we think that there's pretty significant demand. Back to the dynamics, prime brokerage doesn't really -- conventional prime brokerage does not exist within digital currency market. So if you're an institutional investor and you want to trade the asset class, you need to have dollars and digital assets on these different platforms in order to trade. And so because of that, there's really this incredible demand for a leveraged product.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#15

And how does Silvergate set pricing for some leverage? And what's the right pricing model here?

Alan Lane

executive
#16

Yes. So we are still in the exploration phase. There's publicly available information on some of the other platforms that Ben was referencing. The way we framed this for -- when we've spoken about it publicly is that we believe that the yield opportunity is in the mid- to high single digits. Which -- and we haven't changed that as the entire world has kind of moved into a 0 interest rate environment. We still believe that we should be able to achieve mid- to high single digits in terms of yield on this product, which is obviously a very attractive yield in a 0 interest rate environment.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#17

And Alan, you also mentioned some fee income initiatives, the FX. How much are you looking to invest? How much money do you still need to invest to build out the fee income initiatives? And any thoughts on trying to charge for SEN? How has that evolved to date?

Alan Lane

executive
#18

Sure. In terms of investments, most of the investment has been made. We started, for instance, let's take one product that is rising in income growth, which would be foreign currency exchange. That's something that we've been working on now for the past 18 months or so. And so a lot of the heavy lifting has been done there. There's a lot of work that goes in upfront to establishing correspondent banking relationships with other banks around the world, so we can trade currencies directly with them. But there's not a significant additional technology spend that needs to happen there. Similarly, just with the SEN in general, that is a -- that's an API-driven platform that we developed internally. And we have tested it at multiples of what our current volumes are with no degradation of service whatsoever. So we believe that we have a very scalable platform that will not require a significant additional increase in overhead expense. Now when we turn to the rest of your question there, in terms of charging for SEN, that's something that we consider on a regular basis. As we've discussed in the past, we have been focused on developing the network and keeping the barriers to adoption as low as possible. And so we continue to look at the value that we're providing to our customers. And so I wouldn't rule out anything in the future, but as it stands today, we are not charging -- we're generally not charging percent participation.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#19

Right. And just looking at the FX, treasury management, do you have any internal milestones that you could share with us in terms of what your revenue targets there are as you're trying to replace some of the revenue streams that are off the table right now given more interest rates?

Alan Lane

executive
#20

Yes. Maybe I'll turn that over to Tony. We -- I think you know, Eugene, we typically don't provide guidance per se, but maybe Tony could share some of his thoughts on.

Antonio Martino

executive
#21

Sure. Yes. Thanks, Alan. Thanks, Eugene. So while you're right, net interest income represents a significant proportion of our revenue stream, our strategy has been to evolve the business to fee model generation as we continue to build customers and they adopt the platform. So as of today, as of the second quarter, our fee income reached a level of $2.4 million, that's more than double the corresponding prior year second quarter. And that fee income, the primary driver of that fee income is cash management solutions such as wires and ACH. The other major component is FX transactions, as Alan alluded to, and we've generally, other than in a couple of instances, not started yet charging for use of the SEN to keep the barriers to adoption low. In the near term, our focus is to really expand our FX offering. So we did indicate in the second quarter that we've established banking relationships with like-minded banks. And so we've launched direct client access to euro and Swiss franc, and we plan on continuing to expand that direct offering to other major currencies over the course of the year. In terms of the long term, we'll continue to build out the fee income components with our customers, as Alan had mentioned some of the initiatives at the outset of the call. So our focus definitely is to continue to build the proportion of our revenue and to increase the proportion from fee income generation and reduce reliance on net interest income over time.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#22

Maybe we can talk about the net interest income. You've done some work on trying to maintain the noninterest margin, calling brokerage CDs to date. Are there any levers remaining to help hold them up? And also, what's the impact that we should expect was the benefit from the calling it brokerage CDs that's left over for the third quarter?

Antonio Martino

executive
#23

Sure. So as you mentioned, we did take several decisive actions over the course of the year to protect our NIM. And they were possible, due a large part to the hedging strategy that we put in place at the beginning of 2019, where we invested in high-quality fixed rate securities. We funded it with callable brokered CDs, and we use the spread to invest in interest rate floors. So during the second quarter, we called all of the brokered CDs that we had. And I'll give you the impact in terms of what the impact was on the second quarter. So our total cost of deposits in the second quarter was 37 basis points, of which 35 basis points was related to the callable brokered CDs. So if you exclude the impact of brokered CDs, our total cost of deposits in the second quarter would have been 2 basis points. So that -- there's obviously a significant impact there. In terms of other levers and other things that we've done, we had disclosed in the second quarter that we invested in muni bond portfolio, which was funded by selling a portion of our CMBS portfolio. So that was done not only to strengthen the NIM, but importantly, to also diversify the creditworthiness of our securities portfolio. And that was a swap of -- it was fixed rate to fixed rate and the tax adjusted yield on our tax-exempt muni portfolio was 3.47% during the second quarter. So a strong contribution to NIM. So when you pull it all together, we've got both headwinds and tailwinds going forward. As you mentioned, the 0 interest rate environment impacts the variable component of our securities and our mortgage warehouse business. On the other hand, we've got good tailwinds from calling the brokered CDs from the benefit of our interest rate floors. And also the significant component of our deposit base, which is at 0 cost. So I think we've done a great job, very decisive job positioning our NIM so we feel good about where we stand going into the second half of the year.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#24

Got it. And maybe we can find out if you think there are any other opportunities on the asset side, just like you did the muni portfolio. Are you seeing anything similar to it? And what's your appetite for levering up the balance sheet?

Alan Lane

executive
#25

Sure. One of the things that we feel very, very less to be in a position to offer is the SEN Leverage product. And I don't think we should dismiss the significant opportunity that, that is. Because if you think about what made -- what are -- what our economy might be facing over the next several quarters as the pandemic rolls through the impact of the pandemic on real estate businesses, et cetera, there are very few places where you can go to earn an attractive yield in a safe and sound manner. And we believe that this bitcoin-collateralized lending, again, as I framed it previously, with our possession of a bearer asset that can be liquidated. But importantly, this is a service that our customers are asking us for because many of our customers are traders that are looking, as Ben mentioned earlier, they're looking for capital efficiency. They may be employing trading strategies where they are being the spot versus the futures market. We don't need to get into the details there. But importantly, the last thing they want to do is be stocked out of a position and have a margin call. And we are the only bank, essentially the only bank in the world, that can provide our customers the ability to make a margin call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week over the SEN. So when we lend them U.S. dollars against their bitcoin, and they employ a trading strategy, and they decide they want to unwind that, they can do that on a weekend and not lose their collateral. But importantly, from a risk mitigation perspective for Silvergate and our shareholders, if they don't make that margin call, we can liquidate that bitcoin 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. So that's why I frame it as this could be the best lending that we've ever done, and it is at an extremely attractive yield in a 0 interest rate environment. So I candidly think we're one of the only banks in the country that has an opportunity to land the new asset class at a very attractive yield in the midst of a global pandemic.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#26

So we've actually made it through the first half hour of our conversation without touching credit at all. And it's a pretty significant topic for most banks in the space. Granted, you're a bit different. Maybe you can talk to what areas of your credit portfolio are you most concerned about and if you can give us an update on forbearance.

Alan Lane

executive
#27

Sure. So I'll start at a high level and then turn it over to Tony. So first thing to recognize with Silvergate's balance sheet is that 50% -- roughly 50% of our balance sheet is in cash and securities. And Tony was just touching earlier on the AAA-rated CMBS portfolio, the very strong muni portfolio that we just put on the books, which is largely essential service bonds, so high grade munis. So half of the balance sheet is high-grade liquid securities. The other half is the loan portfolio. But then you need to break that down and say, okay, well, roughly half of that is resi and half is commercial. And in the residential bucket, a good sense of that is mortgage warehouse, which turns on average every couple of weeks. And so that's a very good match for the funding source with our digital currency deposits. It's an attractive yield, and it's an asset that turns every 2 weeks. So you start to whittle it down to then just what's the remaining term lending that we have on our balance sheet, which is less than 50% of our assets in general, and that -- and in both the residential and the commercial portfolios, the average loan to values are in the low to mid-15% range. That is by design. We believe that our borrowers have significant skin in the game. They have equity to protect. And so in the event that they are in trouble, and they can't pay us back, they are highly motivated to take us out to do something with that collateral so that we don't take it back because they've got roughly 45% to 50% equity in those properties that they don't want to lose. So that puts us in a really strong position from a credit quality perspective. And now I'll turn it over to Tony to talk specifically about forbearance. Thank you.

Antonio Martino

executive
#28

Yes. And in terms of forbearance, just picking up the theme from Alan. Of the total loan balance, 17% of our total loan balance held for investment or 12% of our total loan portfolio was granted some form of forbearance. And the majority of that was in our commercial real estate portfolio. We had a very modest amount within single-family, and we had no forbearance in our multifamily portfolio. And the last kind of public update we provided was during our second quarter. And at that time, on July 15, 27% of the loans that were in forbearance had resumed payments. And I'll conclude by saying we have a long-standing relationship with our boards, particularly in the CRE portfolio and we continue to feel very good about the performance of our loan book.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#29

So is that 27% is the voluntary resumption of payments? Or is it that their forbearance or modification timing has run out, and they did not react?

Antonio Martino

executive
#30

So our approach was to grant -- even though we had latitude to grant up to 6 months of forbearance, the way we approached it was we initially started with 2 months of forbearance and then revisit all the clients within 2 months. So -- and to extend further forbearance, there needed to be a demonstrated need. So 27% resumed -- took the first 2 months and then were able to resume their payments.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#31

Got it. And when is the next time you're going to see -- or revisit this? Is it every 2 months? Is that how we should think about?

Antonio Martino

executive
#32

We generally have thought about it in 2-month increments, but I would say, as we move forward through time, it's a little bit more customized on a client-by-client basis, and we'll provide the next update during our earnings -- third quarter earnings call in October.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#33

Got it. And also in your QM, I think you mentioned that you've stopped the correspondent mortgage lending. Can you talk about that a bit? Was that credit driven? Or...

Alan Lane

executive
#34

Yes. It was really a strategic move. The correspondent activity that we were in was profitable. But importantly, it was a niche opportunity, and it wasn't scalable. We were essentially taking advantage of, as we often do, with kind of dislocations in credit markets. And when -- so we were specifically focused on the non-QM market, which for those in the audience who aren't familiar with banking, that was a category that was created out of the Dodd-Frank Act. And so there was an opportunity for us to get into that space about 5 years ago, mid-4 or 5 years ago. And it was profitable for us, but as I mentioned, not scalable. And as we entered the pandemic, we felt that, that was an opportune time to kind of button that up and focus more on the lines of business that are scalable. Because we do believe we are poised for growth, and we want to be able to focus on those scalable lines of business.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#35

That's actually a good segue into my next question, maybe a more strategic. What are your thoughts on deals, specifically maybe buying somebody or a business to add fee income services or emerging into a bigger institution? Just generally...

Alan Lane

executive
#36

Sure. Yes, Eugene, I think all of those are on the table. I mean, importantly, in order for us to consider acquisitions, we absolutely have to have a strong currency. And it was one of the reasons that we wanted to go public. We went public for 2 primary reasons. One, was so that we would have an efficient access to capital to support our growth because we believe that we are going to be -- continue to grow and continue to need capital in the future. And then the other reason was to be able to provide us with an acquisition currency, if you will, so that to the extent we see opportunities to augment our business, we'd be able to take advantage of that. We have looked at opportunities within the past year or so. We haven't found anything yet that makes sense strategically, but that's certainly on our radar. And then to the last part of your question, as it relates to are we potentially viewed as a target or being part of a larger platform, that's certainly a possibility. I -- often, the way I answer this question is I've been in and out of banking for the last 40 years. And every bank I've worked, I'm happy to say that none of the banks I've ever worked with have failed. And every bank that I worked with in the past is now part of a large event, and that happened through an acquisition. So somebody bigger than us found what we were doing to be attractive and accretive to what they were doing. And I'd be surprised if that didn't happen here at some point, but certainly not. We're not building Silvergate to sell it. But we do -- we are very focused on shareholder value.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#37

So on the topic of bigger banks and the competitive environment, and we actually did just get a question from the audience. Can you talk to the competitive environment and JPMorgan entering the space, banking some of the largest cryptocurrency brokerages, how that [ impacts ] you.

Alan Lane

executive
#38

Yes. I was hoping we'd get this question because we actually view JPMorgan's entrance in the space as a huge positive. There's very little competition right now, as we discussed on the IPO road show. There's only about half a dozen banks that are doing anything of significance in this space. And if we don't ever see any larger banks coming into this industry, it really would call into question the long-term viability of strategy. So JPMorgan coming in is huge. As we mentioned, they are banking at least what they've made public is that they're providing banking services to 2 of the largest, most well-regulated exchanges, which would be Coinbase and Gemini, both very long-standing good customers of Silvergate. We -- they are very well-banked. Those exchange platforms like to have several banking relationships. They like the redundancy. They rely on different banking platforms for different things. For instance, one of the competitors out there is a bank our size called Metropolitan Commercial Bank. They offer a debit card. We don't offer a debit card. So the exchanges might rely on Metropolitan to issue a debit card. What I can tell you is that our customers are very heavily reliant on the SEN, on the Silvergate Exchange Network and that 24/7 capabilities that we provide, and we have seen no negative impact from that JPMorgan announcement. And we're very excited to see that on this space.

Eugene Koysman

analyst
#39

Thank you. It looks like we're out of time. So I want to thank you for joining us, Alan, Tony and Ben. Really appreciate your time. Thanks a lot.

Alan Lane

executive
#40

Thank you, Eugene. Thanks for the opportunity and good afternoon.

Antonio Martino

executive
#41

Thank you, Eugene.

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