Sky Harbour Group Corporation (SKYH) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good afternoon. My name is Tina, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the conference call. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. CFO, Francisco Gonzalez, you may begin your conference.

Thank you, Tina. I'm Francisco Gonzalez, CFO of Sky Harbour. Hello, and welcome to the 2025 first quarter investor conference call and webcast for the Sky Harbour Group Corporation. We have also invited our bondholder investors in our borrowing subsidiary, Sky Harbour Capital, to join and participate on this call. Before we begin, I've been asked by counsel to note that on today's call, the company will address certain factors that may impact this and next year's earnings. Some of the information that we'll discuss today contains forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management assumptions, which may or may not come true, and you should refer to the language on Slides 1 and 2 of this presentation as well as our SEC filings for a description of the factors that may cause actual results to differ from our forward-looking statements. All forward-looking statements are made as of today, and we assume no obligation to update any such statements. I wanted to note the picture here on the deck is one of our new hangars at our new campus that just opened in the city of Addison just north of Downtown Dallas. This hangar is beautiful, if you notice in the picture has a mezzanine level and floor to roof wall windows in the office space overlooking the hangar. The jet shown is a Bombardier Global 7500, one of the largest jets in business aviation and fits nicely into our hangar space. We're now moving to even larger-sized hangars in our future campuses to accommodate even larger single jets of customers with [ AA ] fleets. So now let's get started. The team with us this afternoon, you know from prior webcast, our CEO and Chair of the Board, Tal Keinan; our Treasurer, Tim Herr; our Chief Accounting Officer, Mike Schmitt; and our Accounting Manager, Tori Petro. We also have Marty Kretchman with us. Some of you remember, he joined us as Head of Airports about a year ago after a successful career at Signature Aviation. We have a few slides we want to review with you before we open it to questions. These were filed with the SEC about an hour ago in Form 8-K, along with our 10-Q and will also be available on our website later this evening. We also filed our first quarter Sky Harbour Capital obligated group financials with MSRB/EMMA also about an hour ago. As the operator stated, you may submit written questions during the webcast during the Q4 platform, and we will address them shortly after our prepared remarks. So let's get started. Next slide, please. In the first quarter, on a consolidated basis, assets under construction and completed construction continued to accelerate, reaching over $275 million as of quarter end on the back of construction activity in Phoenix, Dallas and Denver. Revenues experienced an increase of 133% over a year ago and 20% sequentially as we incorporate the operations from the acquisition of the Camarillo Campus last December. Operating expenses in Q1 increased moderately due to several factors, which Mike, our Chief Accounting Officer, will break down shortly in more detail. We strive to keep SG&A in check as we grow, keeping frugality front and center in our expense and cost management initiatives. Cash flow used in operating activities moved higher, which usually happens in each of our first quarters, but this quarter, in particular, for the increase in operating costs that Mike will explain now. We wanted to also reaffirm our prior guidance that we expect Sky Harbour to reach cash flow breakeven on a consolidated basis at the end of this year as we ramp up the leasing and cash flowing of the 3 -- of the new 3 campuses over the summer and fall. Next slide. Mike?

Thank you, Francisco. I'd like to discuss a few of the factors impacting the comparability between some of our reported operating expenses this quarter as compared to the prior. Of the $1.5 million increase, approximately 1/3 of the increase relates to an increase in our reported fuel expenses, which is simply a function of us reporting fuel gross at our Camarillo Hangar Campus as opposed to net as we do with many of our others. Two other impactful factors include our start-up expenses, including increases in headcount at our ADS, APA and DBT locations. This was further impacted by a full quarter of our operations at our Camarillo Hangar Campus, which, as you may recall, was acquired in December of 2024. Similarly, our cash used in operating activities was impacted by many of the things I just went over, but was also impacted by a decrease in accounts payable, largely just due to timing of payment driven by an effort to speed up the time in which we pay our vendors. Thank you. Back to Francisco.

Thank you, Mike. Next slide is a summary of the financial results of our wholly owned subsidiary, Sky Harbour Capital and its operating subsidiaries that form the obligated group. This basically incorporates the results of our Houston, Miami and Nashville campuses, along with the CapEx and operating cost and soon revenues of our 3 projects that just opened up in Phoenix, Addison and Denver that's expected to open up in a few weeks. Revenues were basically flat for the last few quarters. We expect a step function increase in revenues in Q2, Q3 and Q4 at these 3 campuses as they are leased up and rent and fuel revenues commence to flow over the coming months. Operating expenses increased as we just discussed, given the onboarding of all line personnel and Harbour Masters in Q1 in anticipation of this campus becoming operational a few weeks ago. Next few quarters are expected to see the increase into higher positive cash flow from operations as the 3 new campuses are leased. With that, let me pass on to Tal for an update on our ground lease pipeline.

Thanks, Francisco. So this is a slide that draws the most questions and comments. So I'll dwell on it for a few minutes before we go on with the rest of the presentation and just highlight a few things that we've added. So what you see on the right is our growing map of Sky Harbour ground leases, self-explanatory. The 2 new ground leases that you see are the Pacific Northwest, that's Seattle and Portland. The chart on the left is, I think maybe the key chart to understand in terms of how we perceive or conceive a value creation at Sky Harbour, which is the chart that tracks the revenue that is available to Sky Harbour. And we added a few points just to make sure that people understand because we've gotten questions about this on the last 2 or 3 earnings calls. The first is what does that bar chart actually represent? It's rentable square footage under ground lease times Sky Harbour equivalent rent, okay? Airport -- sorry, rentable square footage under ground lease times Sky Harbour equivalent rent. That is the total revenue that's available to Sky Harbour from ground leases that we currently control. The box on the upper left is a direct answer to a lot of people's questions from previous calls. How do we calculate that? And why do we think it's a conservative starting point for estimating the kind of, call it, terminal NOI in the entire Sky Harbour portfolio. Sky Harbour equivalent rent is what people are paying today at those airports. Now the closest function that we have to compare it to is the original CBRE estimate from 2022 on available rent on the airfields that we had. So what we're looking at here is $29.08. That was the original estimate. That is what we went out to the bond market with originally. That was for 2022. And we're looking at 3 airports there. That's Sugar Land in Houston, Opa Locka in Miami and Nashville International in Nashville. Where we are currently is at $35.75 a square foot. So that is the actual. That's about 23% higher than the Sky Harbour equivalent rent, which is half of the reason that we feel that this chart is conservative. What we see on the lowest line is the highest expected revenue, which is $40.06. That is a blended average of the most recent leases signed in Miami, Nashville and Houston, which represents a 38% premium over the original CBRE estimate. So there's 2 things that we feel are going on here. The first is the premium that top jet owners in the country are willing to pay for the home basing offering, right? Sky Harbour is a completely unique offering in aviation. It doesn't exist today. And we think that that's part of the reason that we're commanding such a premium over Sky Harbour equivalent rents. And the second is inflation on airports, which is a central piece of our thesis, which is we're not building new airports in this country. The available land on existing airports or let's say, the readily developable land on existing airports is already quite scarce. We tend to take up all of the readily developable land on an airport that we come to. And that really makes the case. It's really a supply-demand question for airport inflation outstripping CPI by a very significant margin. And I think that's part of what we're seeing. So the last line on that chart captures, we believe, a lot of that inflation, meaning the most recent rents that we're seeing are much higher than our average rent. A lease that we signed on the first round right after opening a campus comes in at a lower total revenue than a lease signed more recently. So that is on site acquisition. The next slide is just a quick overview of our most recent site acquisition deal. This is Hillsboro, Oregon, which is the primary business aviation airport for Portland. And everybody has the slide, so I'm not going to spend much more time on it. Next slide is where we've spent most of our time and effort over the last 2 quarters, which is in a total revamping of our construction. Sky Harbour is becoming a construction company in many ways. And we have -- today, we have the scale that both, I'd say, demands that we do this, but also presents a big opportunity for doing it. So if you look on the left side of the chart, you see the story of vertical integration at Sky Harbour, which largely was not a factor in the early days. We did do our own prototypes very early on, and I think that was a big piece of our value proposition. But almost everything else was outsourced in the construction stack. And what you can see over the course of 2024, where we purchased our pre-engineered metal building manufacturer subsidiary and brought all of our steel and materials procurement in-house. What we've done over the last, call it, 2 or 3 quarters was integrate the ability to conduct our own preconstruction services, design, architecture, engineering and increasingly now general contracting in-house. So what does all that do? And that trend, I believe, will continue as we continue to scale. What does all that do? The center column is the intended effect of those moves. The first for everybody who's looking closely at our unit economics is to manage cost. And that's not just a question of cutting out margin to the various suppliers that used to be on the outside, but it's also getting a lot more efficient in our processes because, again, we're not relying on people who do a lot of different things. We're now talking about people who do only one thing, which is build the prototype Sky Harbour 37 Hangar. That will also manifest in speed, which improves -- which lowers our costs as well and also starts revenues flowing earlier. If you figure about $0.5 million a month in NOI per campus, the effect of shaving 2, 2.5 months off of our construction campus is -- it certainly moves the needle even in the grand scheme. Build quality, which as a lot of people on the call who follow us closely have known, we've had a very mixed experience with build quality and design quality in our space, and we've worked with the blue chip suppliers. It just happens that in this space, there are quality issues, and that's something that we want to address by taking it in-house. Fundamentally, the ability to manage scale really inoculate ourselves from the effects of supply chain disruptions or anything like that and have nothing get in the way of scaling our business. And then lastly, versatility. If we need to make modifications to the prototype, retrofits, whatever it might be, having all of that ability in-house and the ability to prioritize because we're not competing with other customers for those services, I think, is a big deal. And the ultimate benefit that we're trying to get from this is on the right column, obviously, our unit economics is -- yield on cost is what we measure. The denominator is our construction cost. The lower we get those, the better unit economics. One level more subtle, but I think very important for people who are trying to value this company is our addressable market. If you just do the math, if you're looking at it, if you're trying to target a minimum of a 12% yield on cost in all of our new construction, if you're building at $250 a foot versus $300 a foot, the universe of airports that will bear that yield grows dramatically, right? The addressable market grows, if we're successful in all of our efforts to reduce our construction costs, the total addressable market grows very significantly for Sky Harbour. And then third, arguably most important is product differentiation, right? And we have a bundled real estate and service offering that has to go together. You have to build it this way in order to put forward the service offering that we have. We aim to be the 6-star offering always in our space, and we're differentiating ourselves on build quality. It's not just about the quality of construction and the durability of our structures, but it's the design itself. And the fact that we have a rapid feedback loop where we solicit direct feedback from our residents and then introduce that into the portfolio, I think we continue to gain an advantage, and that will increasingly be part of the moat around this entire business. With that, I'm going to hand it over to Tim.

Thanks, Tal. We continue to enjoy strong liquidity with approximately $97.5 million of cash in U.S. treasuries. Our cash management strategy focuses on investing our cash in short-term U.S. treasury bills and money market funds dedicated to future construction use, while the various reserve funds required by our bonds are invested in longer-term treasuries. The chart on the right-hand side shows the latest trading of our long bond, which continues to rally over the past year. We stand by our expectation that the future debt service coverage ratios for these bonds will exceed those that we forecasted at the time of the bond issuance. We appreciate the continued interest in our bonds by our bondholders as we gear up for our next offering this year to fund our airports currently under development. Back over to Francisco.

Thank you, Tim. Very quickly in terms of capital formation, we continue to work ahead in preparation of our next debt issuance, which we -- as we've discussed in prior calls, we have been dual tracking a bond offering or a bank term facility. And let me also note, we keep our eye on developments in D.C. about the future of tax exemption for municipal debt. And all that we've seen, at least in public news is that what's coming out of D.C. seems to be leaving tax exemption untouched, which obviously is great news for our -- one of the pillars of our business model, which is raising tax-exempt debt to fund our growth. Separately, we continue to receive inquiries from investors looking to invest in the company and also from certain real estate and infrastructure funds looking to partner with us in potentially looking at existing hangar assets already in operations. We'll report soon on these potential structures and financings that we are working on as soon as they're materialize or get formalized. Let me turn it back to Tal to discuss and look ahead and highlights of our Q1 in terms of development and leasing.

Thanks, Francisco. So Q1 highlights, I'm going to focus on development in this slide. And when we look ahead, I'm going to focus on leasing because as we've described the business before, it's an exercise in shifting bottlenecks, right? We had a very big site acquisition bottleneck. We're coming into a place where our success on the site acquisition side has built a development bottleneck, which is welcome. That's what we want. But starting from the beginning, on site acquisition, 2 new leases in the last quarter, both in the Pacific Northwest. As always, more to come. The pipeline is full. We will not take our foot off the gas on site acquisition. It is the binary entry ticket into this entire business and we remain focused on pulling down the best airports in the United States for Sky Harbour. Development is where the biggest action has been in the last quarter. We are on the eve of some big announcements and some big introductions for new leadership in our construction team and a significant expansion of the roster of players, not just in number, but in fit for our mission. These are what I consider the top veterans of the pre-engineered metal building industry in this country, coming in-house things that I referred to earlier that we really are excited about. I think that's a huge piece. It's both a necessary gear up for the scale of development that we're entering right now, but also an opportunity to really just maximize the advantage and economies of scale of a construction effort on this -- of this magnitude. More near term and tactical, Phoenix, Dallas and Denver are all nearing completion. All 3 of those have part of their hangars under certificate of occupancy already. We've commenced operations in 2 of those airports and leasing at all 3 of those airports. We have 2 more campuses scheduled for delivery by the beginning of 2026. That's Dallas Phase 2 and Miami Phase 2 and then 16 additional campuses in development. So certainly an exponential ramp-up in development activities. I would say coming into the second and even third quarters, that will remain a major focus for management is making sure we're properly prepared for that, but also maximizing the benefit that we can draw from scale. On the leasing side, all 3 of the new campuses are in round 1 lease-up. Remember, we're also completing leasing at Camarillo, which we acquired, and we're beginning lease-up in Boeing Field in Seattle, which we just acquired. We are experimenting now. I think a lot of people who follow us closely have noted and challenged the strategy of waiting until we actually are ready for operations, certificate of occupancy, full ground support equipment and staff trained and ready to go before we actually start leasing a campus. The idea behind that is that we have maximum pricing leverage at that point in that aircraft owners tend not to preplan and pre-lease. One of the things we're seeing, though, is inbound demand is real. When we announce a new airport, we increasingly get calls from a lot of the business aviation community in that jurisdiction looking to pre-lease. And increasingly, we feel like people are aware of the differentiated value of the Sky Harbour Home Basing offering and frankly, are aware of the premium that you pay in order to get it. So we've taken 1 airport, which will perhaps name it at the next opportunity. And we are going to lease up part of that campus well in advance before we've even broken ground and see -- this is an experiment, but to see what that does for us. I would say for -- certainly for the bondholders on the call, and I'd say people who are looking at downside scenarios on the equity side, that should be welcome news. And we're going to see if we are really forced to part with significant upside by doing that. Obviously, the intention is to try to have our cake and eat it too, but we'll see how that goes. Re-leasing has become a central piece of our activity, and that's just a function of scale at this point is that we have 7, 8, 9 airports with leases coming to term now, so a significant -- I don't want to call it a distraction, but a significant portion of the leasing team's focus has been diverted to re-leasing. And that's also key because of the premiums that we're getting on re-leases. The second round is, I don't know if we have updated statistics, but let's say, between 20% and 30% higher than the first round of leasing. So we want to continue to maximize that. That's on leasing. On operations. I don't think people on this call have met Marty Kretchman, our Senior VP of Airports. So this is a good opportunity to meet him. So Marty, let me ask you to cover operations.

Sure. Thanks, Tal. So quarter 1, strong quarter of execution for the operations team. As Tal mentioned, when it comes to value differentiation, that really is where the rubber meets the road for our customers. We ramped up our 3 new campuses; Phoenix, Addison and Denver with personnel and equipment, getting ready for the first residents and bringing the Sky Harbour model to more aircraft owners and operators across the country. Tal mentioned, we also established our initial operating presence at Boeing Field. We began support of our first incumbent residents there while we're negotiating towards a longer-term agreement with the airport. And then at Camarillo, we continued refining the service offering from our December acquisition to align with our distinct and elevated standards. with 9 campuses now actively serving our residents, we're demonstrating the scalability and in particular, the appeal of our unique model, and we're introducing this differentiated value proposition to a growing segment of the industry as we expand further.

Thanks, Marty. Okay. So moving on to the next 1 or 2 quarters. Again, the theme that you will see is a gradual shift of management attention away from the bottleneck that we're now contending with, which is development to the next bottleneck, which will be leasing, okay? We have a skeletal leasing team today, and that's going to have to change as all this volume comes online. Again, on site -- starting from the beginning on site acquisition, our focus is on the best airports in the country, right? Just referring us back to that bar chart, it's primarily about revenue capture and maximizing that. We are -- I'll reiterate, on course to meet our 2025 acquisition target, which will have us at 23 campuses by the end of this year, and we continue to grow our team to support that acceleration. Development, again, we've discussed quite a bit already, and I'm guessing there are going to be some questions on this, but vertical integration has been the theme. More and more is coming under our roof, and that is both a necessity and also a big opportunity for us to increase our build quality, speed up, scale up and lower our development costs. Leasing, like I said, will increasingly be the center of management's focus in the coming quarters. We're going to have to build up a national leasing team, definitely a challenge. I think one of the areas is going to take a lot of focus. It was and it has been on the development side. It will be on the leasing side. It's not obvious who the right players are to actually manage a process like this. There is no obvious pool to be fishing in for talent. A lot of it, I think, is cultivated in-house, and that might be the strategy going forward. As we do that, and again, I'm going to ask Marty to speak about operations in a minute, but a lot of that takes care of itself if we continue firing on all cylinders on operations and really bringing that differentiated value. So increasingly, we're seeing the Sky Harbour brand growing in the business aviation community. There are fewer and fewer people, whether that's aircraft managers, pilots, aircraft maintainers and in many cases, aircraft owners who are aware of Sky Harbour and want it. Again, we're seeing that in the -- when we announce new ground leases, the calls that we get from flight departments looking to pre-lease these properties. We're seeing it in expansions, people who have, let's say, 1 hangar who are now going to 2 hangars or in one case, 2 hangars going to 6, I guess, now 7 hangars. Residents in one location who are looking for a dedicated hangar in a second location. So increasingly, I think the word is out, and that's really about just delivering every day. So we've been worried a little bit less about messaging and more letting that take care of itself when we just deliver, which is a good segue to -- let me hand it back to Marty again to talk about operations in the coming quarters.

Sure. So as we look ahead, we continue refining our standard operating platform with input from our residents and their support teams. What we offer is a comprehensive aircraft Home Base solution, and it is truly unique in the space. Our model means we don't serve any transient traffic. So we have up to 10x fewer aircraft movements than a traditional FBO at the same airports. And there's an inherent operational simplicity here that enables tighter security, improved safety performance and ultimately a more seamless transition into the air for our residents. We're also focused on building partnerships with select FBOs, maintenance providers and other aviation service providers where they can help enhance convenience, increase aircraft uptime and just generally improve the Sky Harbour value proposition and deepen that resident loyalty that's so critical to our model. And as we scale beyond the current 9 campuses we've got operating, we're focused on building strong self-sufficient teams at each campus within our campus service delivery system, as we call it. As Tal said, we're not marketers, but we're good operators. And that's where our empowered local leaders deliver this unique service model for their residents every day and continue to seek to refine and improve it.

Thank you, Marty. Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. We now look forward to investor and participant questions. Operator, please go ahead with the queue.

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Randy Binner with B. Riley Securities. Can you provide more color on your plans to raise debt this year? You have mentioned $150 million in the past calls.

Thank you, Randy, it's Francisco. Thanks for the question. Yes, we are gearing up to -- as we've said in prior calls, to do a financing for new projects that are coming up, and we are diligently preparing for that. We continue to dual track. We keep an eye on interest rates and keep an eye on what's happening in the markets, in the municipal market and inflows and outflows into the funds in that market. So it's not just about just being ready ourselves. It's also making sure that the market is a good market to go into. And as you guys know, there have been a lot of volatility in the past few weeks. And then as I mentioned earlier in the past, we dual track that bond issuance also with some very attractive term financing that we have received from some of our relationship banks that are able to actually lend money on a tax-exempt basis. So yes, we're tracking $150 million. It could actually end up being a little bit more from $150 million, call it, $150 million to $175 million in terms of our next debt issuance. Next question.

Our next question is from the line of Pat McCann with NOBLE Capital Markets. Could you speak to the prospect for increased -- I'm sorry, competition over time from operators that would seek to replicate your model versus FBOs? And does this concern you? And what would Sky Harbour's competitive advantage in the face of new competition?

Yes. This is Tal. Pat, thanks for the question. The answer is yes, it does concern us. It's probably my biggest concern today in the business is new competition. That said, as the quarters go by, I feel that the lead that we have is increasingly sustainable in that if you take -- if you look at the different silos of our activities independently, site acquisition, which is really the binary entry ticket. You're just not in the game if you can't acquire the land is probably our most special skill in the company. We couldn't import it from anywhere else. We had to develop that skill set internally. I think we have the best site acquisition team with anybody on airports today. And even then, you're talking about a many year process to actually get landed at an airport. We have plenty -- I look at our pipeline, which is well over 100 airports today that we're working on. There are airports that have been in there for 5 or 6 years, and we're optimistic about them. We're in good shape, but this is a very long process. So I think it takes quite a bit of time to break into it. Rather than go through every other silo, I'll just add that the integration of all 4 silos, right, site acquisition, construction, leasing and operations, it's not that easy a trick. It's definitely a lot less easy than I thought it would be when we started this business to actually get them working together. And it's key, right? I mean it doesn't make sense if they're not working together correctly. We used to think we were a real estate company. We just put up hangars and people would come in and lease them. I think today, if you pulled Sky Harbour residents, and that's -- it doesn't matter if it's the aircraft owner, pilot, maintainer, aircraft manager, it almost doesn't matter, they're going to talk about the people that they interact with every day at Sky Harbour and the level of service that they get. Now you can't put forward that type of service without a very specifically designed hangar and a very specifically designed campus. So it is all integrated. And if you can't build it at the quality level that we need at a price that actually works for the business plan, it's almost -- don't bother coming. So increasingly, again, it's -- we're not putting people on Mars here. We understand that. It is a straightforward and fairly simple business model. And I do imagine we will have eventually. And every quarter, we get this question and every quarter, I say it's coming, we will have competition. For the time being, we haven't seen it. And I think as more quarters go by, it gets harder and harder to compete with us. Again, I think it's inevitable that we will have competition, but I also think we have a much better chance of maintaining our lead as time goes by.

Our next question is from [ Philip Bristow ]. If Sky Harbour was segmented only for New York and Connecticut locations, what would the unlevered and levered returns be?

Okay. Thank you, Philip. It's Tal again. I understand what you're getting at. And I think a lot of people have said, forget the rest of the country, just be a New York company, and it would be a great company. I agree with that. We are fundamentally -- we are in the real estate business, right? There's a big operational component to it, but it is about location at the end of the day. New York is the richest market. There's well over a dozen airports that would work really well for our model in the New York area. So in terms of yield on cost, if you're only looking at unit economics, yes, you'd be looking at New York. Again, I think it'd be very conservative to say 15% yield on cost is achievable in New York. I think you do a lot better than that in this area. That said, first of all, there are other jurisdictions where you can do that. The scale of the opportunity, again, I mean, I think we're very happy to see 13s as well, which we are seeing in other jurisdictions. So if you get a 15%, 16%, 17% in New York, I think it still makes sense as long as the capital is there to do the rest of the country as well. I think that's what you're getting at in the question. In terms of levered, I do think it's an interesting cost of capital question. Again, I think all day long at our current cost of capital, yes, do 13% yield on cost. I think you could -- I'll ask Francisco to weigh in on this as well. You could increase our cost of capital significantly and would still be worth pursuing those. But that's -- I think that's what I have to say on that. Francisco, do you want to add anything?

No, I think that's a good answer. We are -- the projects in the New York area, Connecticut area may also have a slightly higher cost than some other regions in the U.S. So at the only day that -- but nowhere -- that does not offset the much higher lease revenues and potential for revenues in this area. So indeed, that's why we're so focused in this area. And also, I will say some areas in Florida, some areas in California, some areas in Texas. So it's not just the New York area. But yes, all these projects pencil out nicely for our business model. Next question.

Our next question comes from [ Alex Broussard ]. You stated that you typically achieve income per square foot double that of the FBO's charge. What are the FBOs charging at your 4 New York metropolitan airports? And do you believe any of the airports you have ground leases at could generate income per square foot exceeding $100?

Yes. Thanks for the question, Alex. It's Tal. I want to be cautious about that sort of forecast. I think maybe what we could say is we don't have any New York area airports open today, but we already have leases that are generating $70, $80 and almost $90 a square foot outside of New York. So if you kind of fuse that with the previous question, I think, from Philip Bristow, you can perhaps form your own view on the likelihood of that.

Our next question comes from [ Ezra Kodiac ] Your initial projections saw the entire obligated group being completed in 2024 versus more than half slipping into 2025 and 2026 now. Considering these delays, the door issues and the new delays in all the locations expected in Q1, why is the correct strategy to accelerate the pace of the lease acquisition instead of focusing on those already signed out yet to start construction?

Yes. It's Tal again. Ezra, thank you for the question. It's a great question. And look, we have debated and continue to debate questions like this all the time. I'd say this cautiously, we have invested so much in perfecting our prototype and minimizing the development risk going forward. We've certainly -- look, a lot of things you're inevitably going to learn the hard way. I'll say this, one of the good things we did in the early days of the business was we intentionally stayed away from New York, right? We said, look, there are -- we don't know which geographies we want to be in for sure. We're going to try to take the path of least resistance. It ended up that Houston was the first market that we made headway in. One rule that we did say is we're going to stay out of New York, we're going to stay out of Southern California. We're going to stay out of Pacific Northwest, some of the best markets that we knew already were the best markets in the country where we knew we would make mistakes. Unfortunately, we didn't know which mistakes we'd be making at the beginning, but we knew they were going to happen. Not all of those have been in design and construction, but a lot of the big ones have, as you point out. So we have spent really a lot of time perfecting a prototype that works, that is functional in a way that no other hangar is in aviation and is constructable at scale and at an efficient cost. And we feel confident going in that we're in a good place on this. So our -- we believe that this is kind of a walk and chew gum situation. We've got great people on the construction side and on the design side. We don't see any reason to slow down on the site acquisition side. I'll say 2 more things, and I'll link this to one of the earlier questions about competition. Yes, the model is increasingly difficult to replicate, but the deepest moat around this entire business is site acquisition. If you can get land, I think Denver International was the last airport that was developed in this country. That was a generation ago. We do not make new airports in this country. It is almost impossible. You cannot come to National/International Airport today and compete with Sky Harbour. We took all of the available land at that airport. It is a key piece of our strategy. And then the last thing I'll say on that is if we do hit logjams on the development side, it's important to understand that there are either no performance obligations in most of our ground leases or very loose lenient performance commitments in those ground leases, meaning if you do have to delay by a year or even 2 years, the start of construction, you can do it. We don't want to do it. We are all about speed and growing and growing fast. We feel we have our ducks in a row and we're ready to do that. Again, we -- a lot of the last 2 quarters have been exactly about that. That has been the focus of is getting our construction ducks in a row so that we can handle the scale and take advantage of it maximally. But I think it's a great question. It's something that we talk about here all the time.

Yes. If I could add, it's Francisco because this is a really, really good question. And as Tal mentioned, we get to continue doing both lease acquisition and then development of those leases. But we're definitely in a rat race. We are a rat race because this land is sacred in the sense of that, as Tal mentioned, there's just no new airports that are going to be developed in the U.S. They all are there. And we're probably also competing with the development of expansions of commercial aviation terminals, cargo facilities and so on. And we want to get our hands at not at every airport, at the airports that we care about and lock that ground lease for 50 years. And once we do that, the rest is about execution. So the economic value to our investors, to our equity holders in our business model happens the moment we lock in that ground lease. Next question, please.

Our next question comes from Randy Binner. Have construction time lines been affected by macro uncertainty this year? If so, how are you managing around the delays, any delays?

Randy, it's Tal. Thank you for the question. Short answer is no. We -- I think, again, one of the benefits of in-sourcing a lot of those functions is that we're really not as exposed to supply chain issues or any kind of supply-demand issue along that vertical supply chain. So the time lines have not been affected. We did pre-purchase a lot of steel in February out of an abundance of caution. That's paid off for us. Again, I think that was more kind of tactical luck than anything else. To be clear, I think 2 things that we see going on is business aviation does not seem to be affected by any of this stuff. We're seeing 0 change in the demand for our offering. And if we did go into, call it, a construction recession, maybe that's too strong a word. If we went into a construction slowdown in the United States, that wouldn't be such a bad thing for Sky Harbour. We'd kind of welcome that.

Our next question comes from [ Quinton Hara ]. Are you seeing any impacts to lease term negotiations given the uncertainty in the markets?

I think the short answer is no.

Our next question is from [ Payton Skill ]. Could you please provide some color on Nashville occupancy?

Nashville occupancy is 92%. It's important to understand, though, that I'm going to say something nuanced right now. Of the 92% that is occupied, it is more than 100% occupied, okay? When we say 92% occupancy, just so everybody understands our parlance here, it means that 8% of the campus is not leased. We have higher than 100% occupancy in the part that is leased, right? You often -- particularly in a place like Nashville, where we have a lot of what we call semi-private hangars, where you have multiple residents in the hangar, you might have 12,000 feet of hangar space, but 13,500 feet of airplane in that hangar space. And again, we -- it's not a video call. So we can't show you what the geometry looks like when you put aircraft in a hangar. But I think there's actually some cutouts on our website where you can see that. So it's important, and we debate this sometimes how do we -- how should we be reporting occupancy in light of that. I don't think we've come up with a good answer to that. But basically, our occupancy is what is vacant is 100% minus what is vacant. But that -- again, that can be a little bit of a misleading number, right? So like in Miami, for example, in Miami or in Houston, we're publishing 100% occupancy. We are at above 100% occupancy, right? We've got more -- if you've got 160,000 square feet of hangar, you've got more than 160,000 square feet of airplane in Miami.

I wanted to add, it's Francisco, to this good question. Two things. As you probably know, when we have semi-private hangars, that means a hangar that has roommates, we rent those in the box that is the square footage between the wing to wing with and the nose to tail box. And when those boxes overlap in the Texas game that you do in terms of [ hangar-ing ] these planes, that's what results in more than 100% occupancy. Then you add to that certain campuses where we have been because of demand, able to lease space in the apron outside. And then if there's availability in the semi-private hangar, then the plane slips inside, then that further allows the same square footage to be rented now a third time. And that is what drives this occupancy. And one last comment. As we grow in our prototype from the Sky Harbour 16 to Sky Harbour 37, the bigger the hangar, the more potential you have for occupancy to be higher than -- further higher than 100% because the optimization becomes bigger and bigger, the bigger the hangar.

Our next question comes from [ Gaurav Mehta ]. What is the expected interest rate and timing on the expected term financing and/or bond insurance in 2025?

Yes. Thank you, Gaurav, for the question. Obviously, it's going to be market dependent. But if we do a bond deal, we're going to go long, call it, 30-year final and then trying to push the term on the bond deal. Obviously, we are constructing and financing 100-year assets. So we're looking to get as long a term as possible. And then if we do a bank facility, likely might be kind of like a 5-year term to allow us to kind of construct the portfolio and be able to bond it out before the maturity of that term facility. And then in terms of interest rates, you can -- we talked earlier about our long bond being where it is in the flight area and you add a new issue discount. So if you were to ask me right now, probably a 5.50% average yield if you're looking at a bond deal. And in terms of the bank facilities, we've been looking at proposals. I think yes, we disclosed this last time a couple of quarters ago, we received proposals in the SOFR plus 200 area. That gives you a sense of the interest rate cost.

Our next question comes from Ezra Kodiac. Using the low end of your total projected cost for the obligated group, you seem to have $61 million of remaining spend compared to the $47 million of cash. Will you have to make another contribution to Sky Harbour Capital?

Yes. Ezra, thank you for your question. Good question. Yes, of course, we are -- we'll monitor the obligated group constantly. And it's important as you look at your analysis that you're missing the fact that the cash earns interest income between now and the end of construction. Remember, we have Opa Locka 2 that just started Phase 2 that just broke ground a few weeks ago. And then the second phase at Denver, which is really the last 2 remaining projects. And so if you add interest income and then you add the net income, basically the cash flow available for debt service that will be generated between now and the end of the finishing those 2 phases, then the delta between the cash in hand and the remaining spend is diminished. Lastly, we have been in conversations with a particular party that may look to get and do something in our Denver Phase 2. Nothing concrete yet to announce. But if that were to happen, the CapEx need there will be decreasing by potentially about $10 million. So that also is in play. But to answer your last part of your question, we will always come to support Sky Harbour Capital and our bondholders. As we've said in the past, it's sacrosanct our commitment to our bondholders and to that program, which is part of the livelihood of our growth. Thank you for the question.

Our next question comes from Philip Bristow. How conservative is the share slide of close to $20 million by the end year or by the year-end? What kind of premium could we see for the upside of the multiples of CPI for Sky Harbour's business model continues?

Yes. Thanks for that, Phil. So how conservative is the $200 million? Can we go back -- do people still see slides? If we can go back to the bar chart. So Phil, I'll tell you what we're trying to do is with that -- it's not a forecast, it's more a statement of intent. I spoke when we talked about this slide a little bit about what the current premium is and where it's trending. And I think you're right to mention that kind of CPI benchmark. And hopefully, we achieve multiples of that. But what we're trying to do really relates to what Marty was talking about. And that -- look, I don't know the numbers here. I'm betting there are people on the call who do know the numbers. But I think the premium that you pay for court side seats for an NBA team. If you compare court side to second row, my guess is that's a much, much bigger premium than second row to third row. That's my guess. And we are court side. We are the premium offering. The best flight departments in the country, the best funded flight departments, the best managed flight departments in the country are at Sky Harbour, and they insist on being at Sky Harbour. If we can continue operating and enhancing, right, we're not done. I mean we're adding functionality to our offering all the time. If we continue being that court side seat in business aviation, then I think the premium that we end up commanding goes up. I don't know to what extent that's going to succeed. And I don't even know if that analogy from basketball actually holds. There's probably people who know the numbers better than I do, but that would be the intent.

Our next question comes from Alex Broussard. How meaningful to your revenue could the add-on services be over time? And how much do you anticipate this may add to your income per square foot?

Yes. Thanks, Alex. So one of the things people may have noticed is as we continue to introduce services, and I've given examples in the past, I'll give 1 or 2 right now. What we've been doing is not charging for them in order to essentially try to capture that on just our basic rent and say, look, the value of the offering is this much higher because of the following services. So for example, if you take our secure boarding service, right, where -- and we have a lot of public personalities as residents who don't want exposure to -- and this happened after the 2 attempted assassination attempts of Donald Trump, people who don't want exposure to shooters, outdoors and want to do all of their boarding indoors. They come in, in their car, into a closed hangar. They're boarding an airplane in a closed hangar, we pull them out and they start their engines outside. And by the way, we've perfected that to a 3 minute -- it's a 3-minute delay to your departure to have that kind of boarding. We don't charge for that. That's a service that if you want it, we'll provide it. We're about to roll out a light maintenance service where you can have a crew come and pre-flight your airplane 12 hours or 24 hours before a flight, address any kind of squawks, whether they're avionics, small things like tire pressure, strut pressure, things like that. We're not charging for that. That's -- we're looking at these things as things that will enhance the value of the offering and you capture that in the rent. By the way, there's a third-party provider who charge for that. We just don't take any cut of that business. Over time, these are things that I think we'll be able to circle back and look at. But frankly, I think right now, we're running so fast on site acquisition, development, leasing and operations. Just going in and conducting the exercise of trying to price and market services like that is, frankly, I think, at this point, a distraction. If we can provide them and they don't cost us too much to provide, do it, try to capture the upside of that in your rents and then circle back because once you have a loyal following that really says, okay, Home Basing is the only way we're going to operate going forward, then look for opportunities to potentially break those out. And again, I don't know if that actually results in a net increase in revenues or not, we'll see. But right now, we find it's just cleaner, easier, smarter to roll these things out without charging extra for them.

And I will say these are the services that we will provide. As we have discussed in prior calls, we're in discussions with people who provide catering services, security services, rental car services, the detailing. There's a financing -- 2 financing institutions that would like to offer refinancing to our tenants when they look to upgrade their planes and so on. So -- and obviously, our goal is to have referral agreements and things like that, that allows to participate in if these third-party providers provide services to our tenants.

Our next question is from Ezra Kodiac. For all the leases signed outside of the obligated group, what do you estimate the total construction cost to be? When do you expect to start and finish the construction on these leases?

Yes. Thank you, Ezra, for the question. We, as Tal mentioned, are -- spent a lot of time in the past few months to gear up and enhance our construction development efforts to accelerate the start and the finish of this construction of these new leases. And in terms of -- and there's a schedule that we have provided in Page 24 of our 10-Q that you can see the latest start and construction dates for all our leases that we have signed. So we are looking to expedite these things, as Tal mentioned, every month results in higher revenues for the company. So there's a lot of value in us accelerating, and you're going to see that in the coming quarters.

There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Gonzalez, I would now turn the call back over to you.

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