SmarTone Telecommunications Holdings Limited (315) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 1, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Unknown Executive
executiveGood afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to SmarTone Telecommunications Holdings Limited's Annual Results Announcement and Management Presentation for FY '21. First, may I introduce you to the executives here with us today: Mr. Allen Fung, Deputy Chairman and Executive Director; Mr. Stephen Chau, Executive Director and Chief Technology Officer; Ms. Josephine Lam, Head of Marketing and Sales; and Mr. Vincent Tung, General Manager of Finance. The briefing will begin with a slide presentation by Mr. Allen Fung and Mr. Vincent Tung, followed by a Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] Now may I invite Mr. Fung and Mr. Tung to begin with the presentation. Mr. Fung and Mr. Tung, please.
Yuk-lun Fung
executiveThank you for coming to this briefing. We'll talk a little bit about how our business did over the past year, both financially in terms of business. But the overall picture is the following: Obviously, because COVID is still actually having a big impact on society, we have suffered from a substantial loss in our roaming revenue, which is a key source of profit. But despite that, I think we have been able through different initiatives to be able to still be maintaining our profitability. And I'm pleased to report that actually our reported profit this year is $445 million, up from $379 million last year, largely driven by resilient core local business and the implementation of cost efficiency initiatives. The current profit represents a small increase over the previous year, even we take out the one-off impairment charge last year. And last year, if you take out the impairment charge it's $440 million, we have this year is $445 million. We look at local service revenue, we actually increased. If we exclude roaming, we actually increased and it's on the positive trend. Our customer base is 2.7 million, and we'll talk a little bit more about that we see an encouraging customer upgrade to 5G. Our postpaid churn rate is still very low, probably at the industry low. During the past year, one of our major focus is about 5G. And we have built, we believe, an excellent network with near full coverage, including MTR lines, major roads, highways and tunnels. In fact, we actually are rolling it to more areas in country parks and hiking trails, acknowledging the changing lifestyle behavior of Hong Kong people. And we believe that 5G will be very important and the adoption will accelerate. 3 months ago, we launched a so-called 5G lab on the 100th floor of the ICC building, one of the tallest building in Hong Kong, showcasing 5G applications. The response has been overwhelming. We'll talk a little bit more about that later on. It had drawn so far about 200,000 people over the past 3 months, many of them on a paid basis. So there's a lot of interest on what we're doing in 5G and what 5G can do for us. Finally, I want to report that the Board has proposed a final dividend of $0.155 per share, bringing full year dividend to $0.30 per share. This represents roughly a near 2% increase in dividend per share. And this dividend is in line with the 75% payout policy or profit attributable to equity shareholders. With that, I'll hand over to Vincent to talk a little bit more in detail the financial situation.
Vincent Tung
executiveThank you, Allen. I will now cover the key financial information for FY '21. As Allen said, FY '21 has been a very challenging year for SmarTone and the industry due to the COVID. Despite this, SmarTone's local mobile business remains very resilient. Our local service revenue, excluding roaming, has increased 2% to $4,108 million. It's driven by encouraging 5G uptake with premium and the rebound of Enterprise Solutions segment as corporate increasingly adopt digital service. And lastly, the 5G Home Broadband started to ramp up. But due to the ongoing travel restrictions, our roaming revenues has declined. This has impacted our overall service revenue, which has decreased by 5% to $4,339 million. During the period, SmarTone's customer base has increased to 1% to 2.74 million with an encouraging numbers of customer upgraded to 5G. 5G customer now representing high-teen percentage of our postpaid MNO customer bases. Our average mobile postpaid churn rate was 0.8%. It is among the lowest in the industry. Our mobile postpaid exit ARPU improved strongly by 7% to $202 despite the roaming revenue has declined. It is driven by 5G service and expanding 5G customer base. Moving to our handset and accessory sales sector. Despite there's a slight decline in the revenue because of the global supply chain issues that lead to a lower supply of popular handset, our sales EBIT increased over 20x to $66 million because of the 5G, more to charge higher margin. On operating expenses, through a detailed review of our cost structures. Our ongoing cost efficiency program has strategically reduced costs and enhanced productivities without sacrificing our quality of service. Operating expenses has reduced to 10% to $1,945 million as the result of savings in backhaul charges through negotiations with vendor and the productivity improvement for digitalizations and transformations. Our savings in rental include cell site and stores are reflected in the decrease in depreciation of right-to-use assets, which has decreased 10% to $711 million. Majority of this year's savings is recurring. Initiatives are in place to deliver additional savings in the coming year through digital transformations. Saving will be invested to further improve our network quality and IT infrastructure. Lastly, our EBITDA has increased to 1% to $2,460 million, with the margin improved from 35% to 37%. EBIT has increased to 30% and to $674 million, with margin improved from 7% to 10%. It is driven by 5G upgrade, which drive both service and handset revenue or profit, and our cost efficiency programs has reduced operating costs that offsetting the declines in roaming revenue. In addition, when compared with the underlying EBIT of $605 million in last year, which excluding one-off impairment, our EBIT still increased 11%. In conclusion, despite the difficult conditions in FY '21, the stability of our core business has enabled us to deliver a stable profit to our shareholders. I'll now pass back to Allen for business review and actions.
Yuk-lun Fung
executiveThank you, Vincent. You all have heard from Vincent that we talked a lot about revenue growth and also a lot about cost optimization, which we have done a lot, and we actually will be seeing more of the impact actually coming forward. But this is not our strategy to reduce investment, because we feel that there are areas where there's upside, we certainly want to invest more. And 5G is one of them. Our vision is to build the best 5G network and services in Hong Kong, a network that we can be proud of and that Hong Kong people can be proud of. We think this is important for Hong Kong, not just for SmarTone, it's important also for integration with the Greater Bay. Right now, I'm pleased to say that SmarTone 5G covers basically 99% of the population, all the MTR lines, major roads and so on. So if you basically used to use 4G, where you have 4G, it most likely we have 5G for SmarTone. We are also rapidly rolling out major hiking trails, in minor trails. And I think according to a recent third-party survey, we have voted the #1 consumer's best preferred 5G network because of the speed, of the quality and the consistency. We spent a lot of effort in ensuring that the experience is great, and we are investing to do so. You have to believe me, you can believe some are more independent. Actually, recently, there's a major international network management base in France, which has conducted an exercise of Hong Kong's network. This company is called nPerf. It has conducted millions of tests and billions of measurements a year, and they have done studies on over 50 countries, Belgium, U.K., Germany and so on. And their conclusion is that by far, SmarTone has the best coverage in Hong Kong. And we will continue to invest to a couple areas that are important, so that indeed, we will have the best network for Hong Kong. Some of you may actually have gone, and if you have not, I'm really encouraged to go is we have launched a so-called 5G Lab in early May, and 2 government secretaries come to officiate the event. And so far, the response has overwhelmed us. We have actually 200,000 visitors, many of them on a paid basis to come to the lab. And what is this lab? This lab effectively is showcasing some of the applications that 5G can bring. And there are many CEOs and owners of enterprises who come who are looking for opportunities to use 5G. So I think our overall message on -- in the 5G Lab is that 5G is already here. Take use of that. The digital infrastructure is already here, and we can make use of that. Why did we launch the 5G Lab in the first place? Firstly is because we believe that 5G is crucial to Hong Kong's transition into a smart city. And specifically, we want to raise awareness on 5G development and how it will help Hong Kong and showcases many early capabilities of 5G, like the faster uplink speed and so on, on many applications. We also want to showcase to the youth about technology. I don't know about you, but many of our younger generation actually all want to be lawyers and doctors. There's nothing wrong with that. But we think that there's a major opportunity for young to be involved in technology, and this will help the younger generation to be part of our efforts to become an innovation hub. We believe that the more young people understand the potential technology, the more it will interest them in studying science and technology. So not only are we opening the 5G Lab for everyone, we are specifically opening it for school business. We actually have already raised 300 high schools to visit the lab by June 2022. Overall, Hong Kong has only about 5 years of high school. So basically, we'll have more than 60% of high school students who visit our lab. They can learn more about technology and learn more about 5G. Hopefully, we interest them and make them be more aware and what their career opportunities are. I mentioned earlier that there are a number of -- quite a number of CEOs and government officials coming to the 5G Lab. And we have discovered that actually many enterprises are very interested in the potential of using 5G for their operations and to serve customers. We already have a head start in doing that, and we see the growth. And this is, I think, one of our major revenue growth streams. We see a lot of companies asking for help, asking for SmarTone's help to help them develop and implement solutions that can help them. Now some of these companies we put on this page are Sun Hung Kai group companies. But they are -- some of them are not fully owned. But we see substantial benefits. So for instance, in Route 3, we actually have been able to have a video analytic system that can actually basically monitor the route much more safely. Because in the past, sometimes there are intruders that we are not aware of. Sometimes we will just don't know that it's dangerous to just ride a bike and go into the tunnel. And sometimes, we actually have wild boars coming to the tunnel as well. But this AI video analytic system can actually help you immediately alert what is what, who is who intruded. So it was very helpful. We have actually implemented in Sun Hung Kai quite a number of smart property management applications using 5G. And those of you who pick KMB, basically, a now rolling out a feature using 5G that can tell you in real time how crowded the next bus or the bus after next is so that you can plan your trip better. So if you are seeing a bus that is very full, your decision is to decide, "Oh, should I wait for the next bus?" Now we can tell you. The next bus, is it full or not full. So we will have more of these applications rolling out. And these applications from Sun Hung Kai. But there are others whether we are serving. For instance, we are serving a top construction company and various government departments using what we call a Smart Helmet that can actually detect the health of the worker, whether he's going to get a heat stroke, whether his heart rate is too high, whether he's overheated, whether he's about to go into a dangerous area. It's very helpful. It's a very light helmet. They can do a lot of smart things. We are serving 2 leading health operators on smart clinic. So these are clinics in a van that actually go to different areas to serve elderly people. We also are serving the top lift operator in Hong Kong in monitoring lifts. Lifts actually are expensive to maintain and also sometimes dangerous if maintenance is not done properly. But the 5G applications can help them to monitor real time much more cheaply and much more effectively. These are just some of the examples of the clients and customers that we are serving. We think there are many, many more, and we believe that this will benefit SmarTone as well as many companies. The other area we are also focusing on is 5G Home Broadband. And we launched it basically about a year ago. We now actually have a very good customer size and it's growing, and the ramp-up is very good. And we basically allow people to try it for 7 days, and then when people try it, and they say it's great. And it's actually not expensive as well. It's $148 a month. Why do people like it? And after nearly a year, we now understand more. In Hong Kong, there are about -- we are research about 20% of the buildings that either have very, very slow Wi-Fi, fixed line, very, very slow. So if you want to watch a high-definition TV, you can. It's very expensive because that's a single operator. I think I said it even last time that I'm paying $600 for my fixed line. I have no choice because that's the only option I have. There's only one operator. I think there are many of those such buildings in Hong Kong, and we tabulate that they're probably about 20% of our buildings of people who actually either has to accept their slow Wi-Fi or paying very expensive Wi-Fi. So we actually were able to capture a fair amount of these people, and I think we'll capture more. But what we did not expect is that many people now use 5G Home Broadband as an add-on. So what they say, telling us is that we already have a fixed line, which provides Wi-Fi. But because these days, this is actually -- so much work is actually done at home, so much gaming, anything in sun at home. Our Wi-Fi is very slow because my son is using it. My sister is using it and every -- my husband is using it. So what they do is that they add an additional Wi-Fi, add a data home broadband. They just put it in the room, in the son's room or what have you. And then they have extra capacity, and they find it is much faster and they find it very convenient because the setup, I can guarantee you, is within 60 seconds. Even some who are not as literate as I can actually use it immediately. So we find that actually for both segments, that's actually very, very good growth. And this is, I think, a good service for a lot of people. And we also find a lot of business opportunities for ourselves. So when we talk about 5G, it's not just people operating in 5G, even though that's very important, but there are other services and products that we are rolling out, and we think that they are all with a lot of different opportunities. Finally, let me talk a little bit about our outlook as we see it. We think the operating environment will continue to be challenging. This financial year, we will see our SUF amortization, the spectrum amortization seems to rise materially not because of 5G spectrum, by the way, which was actually very inexpensive, but because of renewal of certain segments of 4G spectrum we did about 3 years ago. So secondly, actually, we also would not have any ESS government subsidies. And this is actually very unclear when international travel will resume and when it will recover. To be frank, even if China is opening up to Hong Kong, that will make a big help because a lot of our roaming revenue comes from China. But we have to wait and see when that can happen. So there's a big uncertainty. Having said that, I think management and myself remains cautiously optimistic because of a number of reasons. One is that we do see accelerating 5G customer uptake. And I can confidently say that we have a real premium. We are charging a real premium over 4G. We have built a truly premium 5G network and we do actually charge a premium. I think some other operators sometimes will say that they charge a real premium. But sometimes when they renew, they don't actually -- we actually are very insisting on the premium. Secondly, we think that there is a ramp-up of enterprise solutions. We are still at very low base. So we think there's a lot of growth. And I think the 5G Lab has helped us a lot. We have a lot of lease and we think that we will actually be able to serve our enterprise customers much more effectively. And thirdly, we also have new services such as cybersecurity solutions and 5G Home Broadband and so on. It's not just about revenue, it's also about cost efficiency. This year, you will see additional further savings from what we have achieved over the last 9 to 12 months. Firstly, because some of the savings we have made, the full year impact will be seen this year. Actually, a lot of them will be seen this year. And secondly, we have additional ongoing savings. Nearly -- I would say that nearly most of the savings does not impact quality. I would say, actually, I would say, actually, all the savings does not impact quality. It's just basically ensuring that we are more productive. We are negotiating better deals, either with our store landlords, with our office landlords, with our cell site landlords or even with our backhaul provider, we are negotiating far better these now. So these savings are recurring and will help the company to be even leaner. So we think that there are shareholder returns in the interim, especially shareholder return in the interim will be -- will get upside. And we think that we can actually still do reasonably well even without a full roaming recovery. And obviously, if roaming comes back, I think we'll be in a very good shape. So thank you.
Unknown Executive
executive[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Feiyun Fang of Citi. When do you think that the OpEx reduction due to digitalization will stabilize?
Yuk-lun Fung
executiveFirstly, let me clarify, not all of the OpEx reduction is due to digitalization. Some of that actually is basically due to better negotiation with our partners and partly is basically due to better productivity than we basically create certain structures to have greater productivity. Now next year, you'll see the savings if we compare it with the previous year to be more, right? So not only are the savings we see this year, but the savings were more next year. But we also have a number of initiatives to further increase basically the savings from OpEx. So you will see this year already, what I say is that FY '21, we already made certain savings. Next year, we'll see more. And then year after next, you will see more. Now after that, we don't know. But we actually have a program that we think is totally achievable that will, actually every year, basically be able to further reduce the OpEx.
Unknown Executive
executiveThe following question is from Angela Cheuk of HKEJ. How much of local services revenues from 5G? What is SmarTone's 5G customer number and ARPU?
Yuk-lun Fung
executiveAs we said, let me answer the second question on the customer number. We are in -- for our -- what you call MNO customers, it is high-teens. I think you can check what high-teens is. It's actually slightly less than 20% but more than 15%. So that's where we are. The ARPU, we are not going to reveal, but it's actually a very, very good ARPU. I can assure you. I can assure you, it's a very good ARPU. I think from that, you can probably deduce how much is 5G. We feel that people usually move to 5G when they change the phone because I think if you buy once an Apple phone, then now all Apple phones are 5G enabled, they will change. So the next few months will again be a big change in that number. So right now, you say it's high-teens. So is it a lot? I typically say, but we think it was ongoing, but it's still actually a very material contribution. And that's why you also see why our ARPU has stepped up, why ARPU has stepped up quite substantially actually this year. A lot of the contribution actually does come from 5G.
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] Next question is from [ AASTOCK, Elle ]. Right now, for upgrading from 4G to 5G, how much is the increase in ARPU? When there is more intense competition, will ARPU or 5G be under pressure? New iPhone will be launched soon. Does the company have new promotion plans to drive customers to upgrade to 5G?
Yuk-lun Fung
executive[Interpreted] Stephen can answer part of the question and then Josephine.
Stephen Chau
executive[Interpreted] Thank you, [ Elle ]. Now your first question is in upgrading from 4G to 5G, how much is the increase in ARPU. Roughly between $50 to $100. Just now, Allen said that we can see that the market has good response to our 5G. So for acquisition as well as retention, there is upgrade when there is upgrading from 4G to 5G.
Yuk-lun Fung
executive[Interpreted] Let me add a point. we put in a lot of effort to build the best 5G network. So we think that $50 to $100 is not a lot. People can feel that there is a lot of improvement if they experience it. There is a big temptation to charge less, but that is not the strategy we want. So far, our customers give good response. They are willing to upgrade, and we have done a lot of feedback -- a lot of survey and feedback is that they are positive. Well, $50 to $100 is not a lot. Well, that is just enough to get 2 Starbucks coffee. So, so far, we can see that customers are very responsive and acceptable. Josephine?
Josephine Lam
executive[Interpreted] For new iPhone model, are we going to have new promotion plans? Well, we monitor customers' needs and from time to time, we offer new promotion plans. Recently, consumption vouchers are popular and our response is good. Now 5G phones are getting more and more popular. And definitely, handsets can drive the growth in 5G customers.
Unknown Executive
executive[ Capital's KC Lee ]. Have other operators also launched the equivalent of your 5G Home Broadband service? Do you think there will be pricing pressure?
Yuk-lun Fung
executiveWe understand some other operators actually have launched the equipment of 5G Home broadband. But I think we actually do have a little bit of advantage in some ways. I think because we are not an integrated telco, we don't have a fixed line business. When you have a fixed line business, you constantly think about, if I'm charging you $500 for fiber, why do I want you to move to -- which is exactly $148 home broadband. So that's just a fear of cannibalization. We don't have that fear. We don't have that fear because we are not integrated. We don't have a fixed line. And will there be pricing pressure? There could be. There could be. But I think actually, we welcome our other operators to offer it so that it becomes a bigger pie. Because if you just imagine, we now have 2 million households in Hong Kong. If just 20% of them actually use home broadband, that's a very significant number, and there's a very significant revenue stream for all the operators. So we don't mind competition, and there will be competition. There will be a strong competition. But what we are saying is there for a lot of the people who do not have access to fiber or actually thinking about adding an additional service so that they have more capacity or they think that the current basic service is way too expensive, I think 5G Home Broadband does offer customers more choices, a reasonable choice. And we don't need to be a very, very high market share in order for this to be a quite important revenue stream for us.
Unknown Executive
executiveNext question is from Neale Anderson of HSBC. In which sector of the enterprise market do you see the most promise for 5G services?
Stephen Chau
executiveI think it's still in early stage. We don't see any particular sector more internal on 5G than the others. In fact, from our experience, when we invite our guests to visit our 5G Lab, we see actually open up a lot of different opportunities in different sectors. The question is actually how to adopt in their specific requirement. For instance, the solution that we offer to [indiscernible] is simply just the AI plus IoT per a video camera. But the same packaging already are adopted in different industry, different sector. So I see actually this demand, this interest growing heavily from all the different sectors. The question is how we actually can understand different pain point from individual sectors and then we can provide the solution for that. So this actually is growing quite positively.
Yuk-lun Fung
executiveAnd let me add to that. To be honest, we are actually still at a low base. I don't know, whether we review our number. That is not a big base, but we find the demand and inquiries and work to be to be quite substantial. And I think what Stephen just said, there are a lot of sectors that did not think that there would be 5G service applications. There are provinces, a lot of supermarkets came over. And they thought about, "Oh, okay. If I can use the 5G, I can set up cameras so I can see your faces, see your body. I can actually know how long it will -- even AI would know how long you need to queue. That was on my pain point because the biggest problem is that too many people queue at the peak times. So we have never expected to -- some market to be our client, but now is. And it also happens to Kowloon Motor Bus, obviously that's within a group. We have never actually thought about Kowloon Motor Bus can use 5G, except to provide 5G Wi-Fi. But actually, there are a lot of things that they do. They now use 5G cameras to manage the queues at the operation center and then so that they would know basically how they deploy the buses. They're using 5G service to monitor some of their solar panels they are installing in the deep holes and also the buses. So we think it's likely a booming market, which will benefit us and I think many other operators and other system integrators as well. I think that with more -- the more people do, the more they will do. So at this point, I don't think we have the insight to say which one is necessarily a winner. I think let me put it this way. We don't have the insight to know. But there seems to be a lot of opportunity. We have opportunity to get more demand than our own resources can cover.
Unknown Executive
executiveThe following question is from Robeco's Arnout van Rijn. What is your outlook for handset and accessory sales? It is auxiliary business only or can you do without it? What profitability can you achieve here?
Josephine Lam
executiveWell, we are very positive with the handset and accessories business because you can see, right, everybody is -- right now is upgrading their phone to 5G phones. And also the variety of 5G phone is also in a very big spectrum, from $2,000 to over $10,000. So we do see a lot of a big market there because people, if they update, they will not go back to 4G handset. They will be upgraded to 5G. So we see that opportunity there. And also, we also see that we have coupled with a lot of attractive plans with mobile and bundle planning is also very attractive to our customers. And with the recent consumption coupon response from the consumer is very encouraging result. So we do see that this is a very high potential business.
Unknown Executive
executiveHere is a question from Peter Milliken of Deutsche Bank. How much do you see spectrum utilization fee rising by?
Yuk-lun Fung
executiveThis year, it will rise quite a bit and not because of 5G, as I said. I think this year, as we reviewed, it's about $320 million. Next year, it will be more than $400 million basically because of a renewal of some of the 4G spectrum 3 years ago. So that's the amount. It will be in excess of $400 million.
Unknown Executive
executiveThe next question is from Feiyun Fang of Citi. Could you please give us some CapEx guidance in the next 3 years?
Stephen Chau
executiveThe projection for the next 3 years, we expect for some in the coming year, we expect around $600 million to $650 million on the core CapEx. And then in the next 2 years, for the next 2 years, we expect around 10% to 15% down from the coming years, so roughly between $550 million to $600 million. That's our range. That's our level.
Unknown Executive
executiveNext question is from Yvette Sun of Sumitomo Mitsui. For enterprise, could you share more on the recovery trajectory? Is it more from enterprise digitalization or more from recovery of some small-scale marketing in shopping malls? What is our plan to capture more market share in enterprise digitalization trend?
Stephen Chau
executiveActually, I think on the first question, we see it here from both. It's not just about small-scale marketing or I think it's actually coming from even the major enterprise and also the small SME company. So we are seeing -- expect that lately, the demand or how to deploy digital solution to address the pain point is actually arising happily. So I think they're actually coming from both.
Yuk-lun Fung
executiveWhat's the plan to capture more market share? Actually, we are expanding our team, and there will be -- basically, we have more people to do because we do think that there's an area we want to invest. And so we are actually enlarging our team to serve more customers, especially more medium and larger-sized enterprise customers. We are starting to be able to serve them well. And we think there's a lot of opportunities there.
Unknown Executive
executiveWe will now take the last question before concluding our briefing today. [Interpreted] The last question is from HK01, [ Ashley Lim ]. Next year, concerning spectrum amortization fee, it will reach $400 million, more or less the same as the total amount of net profit this year. Next year, with a whole net profit be offset, can you achieve a turnaround? Can you still maintain 75% payout ratio for service revenue and other related service revenue from handset and accessories sales, are they both declined? In the first 2 months of the new FY, has there been growth from previous year concerning consumption vouchers? Do you have any figures that you can disclose in relation to that?
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] I will take the first 2 questions. Now for the first one, this year, spectrum amortization is $320 million. So next year, it will increase to more than $400 million. You don't need to worry too much. Why? Because, as I said just now, in terms of revenue, our revenue growth is encouraging. So part of it can be offset by revenue. Besides, there are many costs that are booked this year. We don't intend to change our dividend payout ratio. I don't think we will turn from a profitable situation to a loss-making situation. Of course, I can't make prediction. There are still a lot of things going on. Spectrum amortization is really expensive. Without taking into consideration tax only, spectrum fee will exceed $400 million. And we only earn $400-odd million. So we have built a very good 5G network for Hong Kong. At the same time, we pay a lot of tax. Secondly, this year, for our services, if you don't count roaming, well, roaming is not under our control. If you don't count roaming, our local service does not decline. It increased really. For handset and accessory sales, the revenue came down. However, our profit increased a lot. So when you look at our local service, we are confident that it will continue to grow. So you can see our ARPU increased a lot. In the whole industry, our ARPU is the highest on an apple-to-apple basis, and the trend is upward. For spectrum, it is definitely a negative factor, that's for sure. But in terms of cost and revenue, we can see that there are -- or there is the momentum and there are still opportunities for consumption vouchers. Josephine, can you comment?
Josephine Lam
executive[Interpreted] As you know, consumption vouchers are launched in August. Our offer is very attractive. $2,000 consumption vouchers can be spent like $7,000. Now we are only just into September, and the promotion has not ended yet. So we do not have specific figures to disclose for the time being.
Unknown Executive
executiveThat's today's briefing. Thank you very much for joining us today.
Josephine Lam
executiveThank you. [Portions of this transcript that are marked [Interpreted] were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]
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