SNGN Romgaz SA (SNG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 15, 2023

Bucharest Stock Exchange RO Energy Oil, Gas and Consumable Fuels earnings 36 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good afternoon, and welcome to our conference call for discussing the results recorded by Romgaz Group in the first quarter of 2023. After introducing the speakers, Mr. Razvan Popescu, Chief Executive Officer, will make an opening speech. Thereafter, the Q&A session will take place. Please be advised that this conference is being recorded for internal purposes. On behalf of the company, the following speakers attend this conference: Mr. Razvan Popescu, Chief Executive Officer; Ms. Gabriela Tranbitas, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Marius Veza, Accounting Department Director; Mr. Andrei Bobar, Finance Director; Mr. Ion Foidas, Production Department Director; Mr. Radu Moldovan, Energy Trading Director; Mr. Robert Chirca, Exploration and Production Director and our Investor Relations department. Now I would like to give the floor over to Mr. Razvan Popescu, who will be opening the conference call with an opening speech. Thank you.

Razvan Popescu

executive
#2

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining our conference call to discuss the results recorded in the first quarter of 2023. We released the quarterly report of the Romgaz Group at the end of last week, and this includes the presentation of our economic and financial performance and the consolidated interim financial statements. Also, a presentation of the group activities is available on our website in the Investors section. I would like to emphasize some aspects regarding the gas market environment and also to highlight the group's performance. Let me start with some aspects regarding the market context in the first quarter of this year. According to our assessments, natural gas consumption in Romania decreased by 12% year-on-year in Q1. Imported gas volumes recorded a significant decline, reaching an 8% contribution in total consumption compared to the high rate of 29% reported in the similar period of 2022. On the Central European gas Hub, the average reference price dropped by 17% compared to the same period of 2022, according to the data provided by the Romanian Agency for Mineral Resources. As expected, the Romanian Commodities Exchange spot and forward and balancing markets recorded a weak liquidity due to the regulation in force with an average price in the same period reverting to the level recorded a year before. These prices are considered as of the amount of delivery for transaction concluded on this market segment. Regarding the fiscal environment, Romgaz' activities continue to be influenced mainly by the Government's Emergency Ordinance No. 27 issued in March 2022 and subsequently amended and supplemented. The main provision applicable to gas producers include the following: regulated gas selling price at 150 RON per megawatt for the gas sold to household supplier starting with April 1, 2022 and directly to or to suppliers of heat producers for the production of thermal energy for households as of 1st of September '22. For the gas sold at regulated prices, revenues are exempt from the windfall profit tax and gas royalties. And gas royalties are computed based on these regulated prices instead of the CEGH reference prices starting with the 1st of April 2022. The ordinance also states that gas suppliers have kept selling prices for some categories of end consumer, maximum 310 RON per megawatt hour for households and maximum of 370 RON per megawatt hour for heat producers and for industrial clients with consumption below 50,000 megawatt hour in the previous year. As of 1st of September 2022, energy producers, which started operation before this date are required to contribute to the energy transition fund, the full amount exceeding 450 lei per megawatt hour, certain deductions do apply. In addition, gas and energy traders all contributions to this fund for the profit in excess of 2% over the acquisition price. Gas storage is also mandatory for gas suppliers and heat producers to secure the maximum between 30% of the estimated consumption of final clients during November 23, March 24 and 90% of the underground storages' capacity. In addition, the Government Emergency Ordinance No. 186, issued in December '22, imposed for the 2022 and 2023 fiscal years, a 60% solidarity contribution applied to the amount of the annual taxable profit that exceeds by 20% the average value of the taxable profits recorded during 2018, 2021. Regarding the operational and financial performance recorded by Romgaz Group in the first 3 months of '23, we can point out the following aspects: Natural gas production amounted to 1.24 billion cubic meters as we succeeded to exceed by 0.7% our quarterly budget. The output was at a 5% adjustment for the high level recorded in the first quarter of 2022 and also 1% below Q4 '22. We continue to take efficient measures to develop our onshore gas output. And here, I could mention only a few specific activities such as workover and recompletion programs in inactive or low productivity wells; continuous rehabilitation projects of the main mature gas fields; optimization of the gas field production and completion of investment to extend production infrastructure and connect new wells to this infrastructure. Regarding the investments made in our gas production facilities, I can mention that we're completing the works at surface facilities to stream into production of 5 wells, and are in progress with investment on surface facilities to steam into production another 14 wells. Also, we perform intervention works at a -- total of a number of 40 production wells. Our position on the Romanian gas market continues to be significant. We achieved a market share of 38% of total gas delivered in Romania, higher compared to the same period of 2022. And we held almost 42% of consumption covered from domestically produced gas according to our estimates. With respect to the gas sales to third parties volume declined 5.3% year-over-year in the first quarter, representing nevertheless a better performance than the drop of the domestic gas consumption over the period, as I mentioned earlier. Compared to the fourth quarter of last year, we succeeded to record an increase of 6.8% in the gas volume sold in the first quarter this year. Total revenues from gas sold amounted to RON 2.57 billion lowered by 25% compared to the historical high recorded last year as a result of a lower average realized gas selling price. Compared to the fourth quarter of last year, total gas revenues were elevated by 26% quarter-on-quarter due to higher volume and prices. Total revenues from storage services grew by 71% year-on-year to RON 151 million, mainly due to higher revenues from capacity reservation and withdrawal services. Revenues from electricity added RON 121 million, well below the level reported last year as a result of production lowered by 6% and fiscal frame regarding prices higher than 450 RON per megawatt hour. Overall, in the first quarter of '23, we recorded total revenues of RON 2.91 billion, 26% below from the historical quarterly high reported in the first quarter of last year. If we compare with Q4 '22, we can note that total revenues recorded a positive performance with a 14% increase in Q1 this year. On the expenses side, the 2 main taxes included in the other expenses item in the profit and loss income recorded a decline with a positive effect, windfall profit tax amounted to RON 477 million on lower gas prices and volumes sold. And gas and UGS royalties totaled RON 150 million, mostly due to lower gas prices on CEGH and in Romania and also due to lower production. The solidarity contribution, which is recorded as a tax expense starting Q4 amounted to RON 538 million. Altogether, these 3 taxes represented a substantial expense of RON 1.16 billion and accounted for 40% of total revenues in Q1, albeit lower compared to the 59% weight recording in the first quarter of last year. Bottom line, we reported a net profit at a high level of RON 970 million at a marginal decrease of 1% year-on-year. Compared to the previous quarter, the net profit in Q1 was higher over 3x as the solidarity contribution due for the entire year 2022 was fully expensed in the last quarter of last year. All profitability rates recorded a strong advance in Q1 2023, but EBITDA margin reaching -- reached 64.7%, EBIT margin at 59.9%, both rates being more than double year-on-year. And NP margin stood at a high level of 33.3%. On the CapEx side, Romgaz Group invested a total amount of RON 223 million in the first quarter of '23, split 50% in equipment upgrade, 16% in the storing segment, 12% in geological exploration, 12% represented the investment in the Romgaz Black Sea Limited and 2% balance in the electricity segment. With respect to the strategic objective of Romgaz, we remind that these included the development of our onshore and offshore hydrocarbon resources and reserve portfolio focused on resilient hydrocarbons, the production of energy with low CO2 emission and also mitigation on the effects of climate change. As the latest development on May 10, the shareholders' meeting approved a settlement between Romgaz and Duro Felguera. And on April 3, the procurement contract has been signed with the objective to finalize the works and commissioned a new power plant located in Iernut. In the end of the presentation, I would like to mention the approval of dividends to be paid this year. So on April 26, the shareholders meeting decided upon a total gross dividend of RON 1.32 billion or a total gross dividend per share of RON 3.42, resulting in a total payout ratio of 52% for the last year. Dividends will be paid to shareholders in the registry on July 6 and will be distributed during July. With this, I would like to close our presentation, and thank you for your attention.

Operator

operator
#3

[Operator Instructions] So we have the first hand risen from Ms. loana Andrei. Please turn on your microphone and address the question. Ms. loana Andrei, if you would like to turn on your microphone and address the question. No, we cannot hear you. So until Ms. loana Andrei solves the problem, Ms. luliana Ciopraga, please turn on your microphone and address the question. Ms. luliana Ciopraga. If you have a question, please.

Iuliana Ciopraga

analyst
#4

I guess you can hear me now. So following the decline in production in the first quarter, do you still see possible a decline in production of up to 2.5% as per the strategy? That's the first question. And secondly, how much was sold at regulated prices in the first quarter out of total sales? And also if you could give some guidance for the rest of the year, how much you expect to sell at regulated prices over to -- from the second quarter to the forward. This would be my first batch of questions.

Operator

operator
#5

Can you please repeat the first question?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#6

I understood. It's fine. So yes, because in the first quarter, we had workovers and capital repairs to a number of wells that were delayed from last year. So given our production profile, we still expect to be in the 2.5% decline for the entire year versus last year. Regarding to the structures of the volume sold, we're looking in Q1 at around 90% at regulator -- regulated prices and we're looking for around the same amount with a couple of points of plus or minus for the entire year of 2023, actually up to March '24 -- end of March '24.

Iuliana Ciopraga

analyst
#7

You mean that you expect to sell 90% of total volumes for this year at regulated prices? Is this what I should understand?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#8

Yes.

Iuliana Ciopraga

analyst
#9

Okay. So 90% of the total volume sold in 2023 will be at regulated prices.

Razvan Popescu

executive
#10

Yes, around 80% to be more exact.

Iuliana Ciopraga

analyst
#11

And also -- actually that's more a question related to the budget, your budget for this year. In the budget, we're seeing significant increases in costs. And actually, you're budgeting a decrease in profitability for this year compared to 2022. But that's not what we're seeing in the results that you've just released for the first quarter. What should we expect to see? I mean, should we expect to see in the following quarters, significant increases in costs? Or were you just cautious in the budget?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#12

Not necessarily. As you know, Romgaz' budget is done quite cautious because we don't want to overestimate. The increases in costs are due to the fact that we have not budgeted such a big proportion of gas being issued under the ordinance and this is a part of explanation for what we're asking. We are, of course, striving to have the best cost versus income profile. And we're looking to improve our profitability rates, as you may well see in our Q1 data.

Iuliana Ciopraga

analyst
#13

So basically, what you're saying is that you build a budget on the assumption that you would be selling less at regulated prices, right?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#14

Yes. Exactly.

Operator

operator
#15

Ms. Ioana Andrie, you may now address your questions.

Ioana Andrei

analyst
#16

Can you hear me now?.

Operator

operator
#17

Yes, we can hear you.

Ioana Andrei

analyst
#18

Okay. Great. So I have a question regarding the average realized gas price. From my computation, it stands below the first quarter of 2022, but it was higher compared to the last quarter of '22 considering you had similar regulated volumes. How was this possible? And prices did not increase in the same period. And my second...

Razvan Popescu

executive
#19

Okay. Let me answer the first question. Indeed, you're correct. But this is possible because in the last quarter of last year, our entire production was under the ordinance, almost our entire production was distributed this way and the realized gas price was lower. And in the first quarter of '23, there was some production that was available to sell on the free market, and that's why the average realized price of gas was higher than the one in Q4.

Ioana Andrei

analyst
#20

When you're talking about some production, you're actually referring to the 10% of volume.

Razvan Popescu

executive
#21

Overall 10%, yes.

Ioana Andrei

analyst
#22

Okay. And my second question was regarding the power segment. Based on my computation, your average realized power price stood below RON 450, actually below 400 RON per megawatt. Again, can you explain how was this possible in the first quarter?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#23

From our calculation, it was not below 450 RON per megawatt.

Ioana Andrei

analyst
#24

You had actually RON 121 million from power sales and you had a volume of 320 something gigawatts, right?

Unknown Executive

executive
#25

No. No, that was the volume of electricity produced so that volume of electricity sold was 259.

Ioana Andrei

analyst
#26

Okay.

Unknown Executive

executive
#27

So actually, the realized price is 467.

Ioana Andrei

analyst
#28

Okay. Can you please explain a little bit how much did you sold via this centralized mechanisms?

Unknown Executive

executive
#29

250.

Ioana Andrei

analyst
#30

Everything, right?

Unknown Executive

executive
#31

From 259 so 27%.

Operator

operator
#32

We received the written question from Mr. Tamas Pletser. What was the reason that you -- your final fourth quarter 2022 result contains different numbers than the preliminary results of the fourth quarter for 2022?

Gabriela Tranbitas

executive
#33

For me, the information is issued before final results are accounted for. Besides preliminary information is not audited, so auditors may have some adjustments.

Operator

operator
#34

Next written question from Mr. Oleg Galbur. What was the volume of gas sold in the first quarter of 2023, which was subject to windfall tax payment? So the answer would be 1.6 terawatt hour. And the second question from Mr. Oleg Galbur. What was the total volume of gas sold to households and thermal energy producer in the first quarter of 2023? So the structure of gas sold to households was 69.49% at 150 lei per megawatt hour, 18.78% to heat producers -- to suppliers of heat producers and heat producers at 150 lei per megawatt hour, 0% to households that means for 310 lei per megawatt hour, 8.12% for non-households for 370 lei per megawatt hour. And 3.61%, the difference. Another written question from Mr. Oleg Galbur. How much of the 80% as per your earlier comment of gas projected to be sold at regulated prices in 2023, do you project at RON 150 per megawatt hour?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#35

So 88% of production will be sold at RON 150 per megawatt hour.

Operator

operator
#36

Another written question from Andrei. How does the Q1 results compare to what you have budgeted for Q1 in line above and below?

Unknown Executive

executive
#37

Regarding the Q1 results comparison with our budget, practically, we have exceeded our net profit with 17.1% of what we have budgeted for the first quarter of 2023.

Operator

operator
#38

Another written question from Andrei. In Q1, Romgaz reached almost 40%, 50% for the budgeted net profit for the entire year? Should we expect for Romgaz to obtain a higher net profit than the one you budgeted?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#39

The market's expectations will probably be viewed in the evolution of the share price of the company. As we said, the budget was constructed on a very realistic basis. As you can see, the market is quite volatile, prices are quite volatile, and we're striving to do our best to keep the company as profitable as possible. But we also have to take into account that we have a lot of expenses going forward, a lot of investments to be made in the last 3 quarters of the year.

Operator

operator
#40

Another written question from Andrei. At what prices will Romgaz sell the gas both from import operations. Do we expect that the Romanian government to cap the price at which Romgaz can sell the imported gas? If yes, this could result in losses since Romgaz pays the market price for the imported gas.

Razvan Popescu

executive
#41

In case, Romgaz will import gas, we will only sell it at market prices and will not take any losses or we'll not assume any negative difference between the import price and the final selling price of the gas.

Operator

operator
#42

So we received 3 questions -- 4 questions from Mr. [ Florin Turcas ] in Romania language and they will be translated. Have you thought of hedging on gas prices. If future's market will be opened at Bucharest Stock Exchange, have you thought of proposing derivatives on weather conditions?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#43

This is something that we have taken into account. It's something that is going to be analyzed by our commercial department, but it's not something that we're doing at the moment.

Operator

operator
#44

The next question, when do you expect the produced resources to be depleted?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#45

According to our latest audit, we still have explorable resources of over 55 billion cubic meters. Romgaz is a company that will always replace and replenish its resources. That's why we're conducting seismic operations and we're trying to find new possibilities and new resources that are going to be extracted. Also, this is our main focus right now is the Neptun Deep Project that could bring an addition to Romgaz's reserves. So Romgaz's reserve is not something that will be depleted in a number of years or can give such a calculation because we're always replenishing those resources and reserves.

Operator

operator
#46

The third question from Mr. [ Florin Turcas ]. You have substantial losses actual and probable from receivables. Can these be avoided in the future?

Gabriela Tranbitas

executive
#47

The provisions which were recorded from receivables are related to all the outstanding debts. Currently, our commercial policy says that we kind of only sell gas to customers -- to clients who provide a guarantee or to pay us in advance. So these provisions shouldn't go any higher.

Operator

operator
#48

And the last question from Mr. [ Florin Turcas ]. Have you thought of exploring other related activity fields such as gas engines or LNG?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#49

Yes, we have. Romgaz is constantly looking for new ways to expand its business and also new ways to have down the supply chain more added value for the gas that we extract. Right now, we're in a JV with SOCAR to explore the possibility of having a commercial relationship with them regarding an LNG terminal in Romania.

Operator

operator
#50

We have a written question from Ms. loana Andrei. Just a follow-up question on the power side. You mentioned that volumes sold are lower than the ones produced. Do you disclose the volumes sold somewhere?

Unknown Executive

executive
#51

At the moment, we're not disclosing the volume sold, but we're discussing internally that we should disclose them in the future.

Operator

operator
#52

Ms. Iuliana Ciopraga, you have a hand risen. Turn on your microphone.

Iuliana Ciopraga

analyst
#53

Yes. Yes. I did. So just to clarify, should we expect 80% or 90%. And you said 88% sold at the 150 for the full year. Is that right? Did I understand correctly?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#54

That is the estimation that we have at this point in time.

Iuliana Ciopraga

analyst
#55

Okay. And if you can provide us an update on Iernut and when it would become operational and also regarding salaries, I see they've increased around 36% in the first quarter compared with the first quarter of 2022. Should we expect something similar for the full year? That's all.

Razvan Popescu

executive
#56

So to the second question, no. And to the first question, so the Iernut Power Plant, as we've informed our -- the market and our shareholders on 10th of May that our general shareholders have approved on the transaction. Romgaz and Duro Felguera have signed the contract to finalize the power plant and the time to finish the power plant and put it into production in 16 months from the date that the works will start.

Iuliana Ciopraga

analyst
#57

Okay. And regarding salaries, what should you expect then for this year? If it's not 26%, how much should you expect? What kind of growth would you expect for the salaries?

Unknown Executive

executive
#58

Regarding the salaries expense, we believe that they will not exceed the budgeted ones, which are RON 1.06 billion for 2023.

Operator

operator
#59

[Operator Instructions] We received a written question from Mr. [ Christian Petran ]. Can you give more details on Trident project FID volumes?

Razvan Popescu

executive
#60

At this time, we cannot give any extra information than -- that what has been published. We're in the midst and the operator is reprocessing the seismic data, and they will probably come with the new investment profile and investment structure. When we'll have more information, we'll announce according to all market regulations in force.

Operator

operator
#61

Another written question from Ms. luliana Ciopraga. Regarding solidarity tax. What was the average EBITDA for 2018, 2021, taken into account for the calculation of the tax? Our Investor Relations team will answer to this question later. If there are any other questions -- If there are no further questions, we will conclude this conference call. Thank you very much for your questions. If you need further information, please contact our Investor Relations team. The conference is now concluded. On behalf of Romgaz' team, thank you for attending today's conference call. Goodbye.

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