Solid Biosciences Inc. (SLDB) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 10, 2026

NASDAQ US Health Care Biotechnology conference_presentation 36 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#1

Welcome back, everyone, on day 2 of Citi's Biopharma Back-to-School Summit. Yigal Nochomovitz, senior biotech analyst here at Citi. And so this is one of the final sessions of the day, but it's certainly a super important one for sure. My pleasure to have with me Solid Biosciences and the President and CEO, Bo Cumbo. So welcome, Bo. Thank you very much for doing this.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#2

So you have a lot going on, obviously. Maybe just to set the scene, if you could kind of give us a high-level overview of the the pipeline, what you're doing in DMD, of course, Friedreich's Ataxia is super important as well. And you have a very important set of updates coming up in the fourth quarter, both both in terms of regulatory and data. So love to hear more about it.

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#3

Yes. Thank you, Yigal. Thank you, Citi, for the invitation. Great to be here. We're very excited. I think for those of you who don't know, Solid Biosciences is a precision genetic medicine company. We focused primarily with AB at the moment. Two disease states. We put most of our -- almost all of our resources and personnel to is D&D and FA, Friedreich's Ataxia and Duchenne muscular dystrophy. We are heading into a very interesting time over the next, let's call it, half a year for Solid Biosciences. We have multiple inflection points. The first one in the next couple of months is we're going to be holding a meeting with the FDA to talk about accelerated approval to actually show them some of our clinical data, it would be the first time that actually we have shared and actually looked at as well as analyzed and then shared our clinical data, and we'll be doing that in the fall with the FDA and talk to them about the pathway for accelerated approval. And then after we have that meeting with the FDA, which should happen in Q4, then we will update the Street and provide them the street, not only our clinical data that we shared with FDA, but also the sort of regulatory discussion on what is our path forward if we have one and how we're going to move based on the information that we have. We also have Friedreich's Ataxia where we've already dosed our third patient, in patient #4 in September, patient #5 in October, that's currently scheduled. That means you guys, the Street will have at least 3 patients of mFARS data in Q1 or really first half of next year, but most likely Q1 of next year. And then you'll have some of the extra safety data from a couple of patients as well as long as we can dose patient brand b. So very excited about that. I think it's exciting couple of months for some.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#4

Okay. Well, I know you can't speak to too much detail in terms of the actual data, but can you give us a sense for the types of data and sort of the magnitude of data in terms of how many patients you might expect to learn about for DMD in the fourth quarter? And also, I know you still haven't had the conversation with the FDA, but what are the -- if you can kind of enumerate what you might see is like the differential scenarios there in terms of how things could go forward with the feedback from them?

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#5

Yes. Yes. Let me backtrack and give you -- let's start with the end of '25, so we can get here so you can figure out how we got here and then where we're going to go going forward. So in the end of 2025, at the very end of '25, we submitted a statistical [indiscernible] plan on how we were going to basically the rules of how we were going to look at natural history data and due to our data comparison for our INSPIRE trial when we actually had our clinical data. We also, at the end of '25, early '26, talk to the FDA about how we are going to set up our Phase III clinical trial design. That's called the IMPACT trial as well as our end points that we were going to look at. And I think that's critically important because that's what we're going to be -- those endpoints are going to be the ones that we're going to talk to the FDA about in the fall. In March, we had another meeting with the FDA. We established that there's still a high unmet need in Duchenne. This sounds trivial, but realistically, when there's a AB gene therapy that's got a full approval, you need to make sure that the FDA acknowledges that Duchenne still as a high unmet need they did. And they also acknowledge that our drug is novel. That's also important when you think about just making sure that they don't view all the gene therapies as a me too. And so our drug, our proteins are novel. During that meeting with the FDA, we talked -- we started talking about a hypothetical situation of how we're going to look at our data, our -- and also Duchenne videos. We've got back and forth with the FDA on that. They gave us a couple of ideas. So we had to go back and modify our statistical plan, our SAP plan. based off that conversation. And that means how we were thinking about taking the -- selecting the data and being able to analyze the data going forward. That SAP plan was submitted in late July. Now we are pulling all our natural history data in. We will be using how the SAP plan of how we going to analyze the data and select the data that's going to be used in the clinical analysis. We're pulling our clinical data in. We will be creating a dossier, a briefing book for the meeting. We'll be requesting the meeting very soon and then meeting with the FDA in the fall. What are we going to talk to them about the endpoints to your question. It's the ones that we're already listed in the impact trial for the Phase III, time to rise, stride velocity 95, and then we have a couple of other endpoints, like 4 stair climb, 10-meter run walk, and we'll utilize those to create the data package. How many patients will we have? Well, it's -- first, you have to understand, we dosed 53 patients, all safe all the way down to age 6 months all the way up to age 10. And those patients are ongoing. We are only looking at patients that have at least hit 365 days, 1 year period of time. And we have to -- basically, when you have the meeting with the FDA, you have to cut your data about 5 months ahead of time. So when you -- when we cut the data at day 365, we're going to have a little over 12 patients of data for the FDA to review that has at least 1 year. A couple of patients who actually have up to 18 months, but at least 12 patients, slightly more to discuss with the FDA. And that -- and then more data continues to roll in the course of -- over the course of this year. But it won't -- we won't be able to import that into the bridging build.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#6

Okay. So the goal there, I gather, is with those 12 patients, as you point out, to be able to make a statement around a functional benefit that would support in your view, assuming you show that a pathway for accelerated approval. Is that a correct?

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#7

Yes, we want to do is you want to look for clinical benefit. Like remember, these -- what's the FDA have to do here? The FDA has to make a judgment call. They actually wrote that in our meeting minutes. The last time accelerated approvals based on the judgment call and the totality of all the data. And we have a whole bunch, as you know, a ton of biological correlate data looking at anything from Western blot, all the way down to muscle integrity biomarkers such as embryos, heavy chain, Titan, et cetera. But they want to see clinical data. And so now we need to show that the drug is actually doing something in the patients that have been -- had biological cool data. And so it's not just -- it can be western bought, it can be mass spec, but it also can be some of the biological or data or a whole host of data set looking at patients that are moving in a manner that's different than natural history. And you don't need to -- you just have to make a judgment call. It has to be directional in nature because one for one, our trial is 18 months. The INSPIRE trial in 18 months, but we're taking an interim look at 12 months, give the FDA some data. So directional in nature, clinical benefit based on biomarkers, including Western blot mass, et cetera. All of that data in totality, along with our Phase III that is up and running, that that is a double-blind placebo-controlled multi-foundry study. that should give the FDA a lot of confidence that they can make a good judgment call that maybe we can have a pathway for accelerated approval and that's we're hoping for as we move forward.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#8

Okay. So it doesn't necessarily have to be -- since it's a small sample size to be statistically significantly different versus natural history necessarily just you have to be able to show some valuable, clinically valuable separation that sort of meets the like overall litmus test across all these different...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#9

Yes, they have to make a judgment call and they have to have confidence in the data set that gives them enough data to make it to this judgment call. And it's also great, by the way, that the new steeper heads in place because I think when you're having to make a judgment call, you definitely want leadership in place so you can actually bounce ideas off them and sort of get their support. And having the severed now in place, I think it is beneficial for us as well as we head into the meeting.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#10

And just so everyone understands, at the moment, you're in the active process of doing this analysis. So you don't necessarily have all the answers...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#11

No, no. Yes. No, no, no. We were in the process, but we don't have all the answers yet. So we're pulling all the natural history data in. You have to run -- you have to see all the data for the natural history. You have to run through the statistical plan and sort of requirements because a lot of the natural history data won't be utilized because it doesn't meet the requirements that were placed in the SAP. Then you have to get your data to come into the in-house. You have to use the data, then you have to do the comparisons. You run a bunch of different comparisons. And then you put your briefing book together. So yes, we and we haven't even scheduled the meeting yet. We're getting to read, schedule the meeting in about a month. And then you have to make a briefing book, 45 days in advance of the meeting. So we still have a little bit of time to do this work.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#12

I know I appreciate you're in the middle of it, but qualitatively, can you give sort of a sense as to, for example, with time to rise, like what might be a good result relative to natural history, is there a way to...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#13

There's not a way for me to actually want to qualitatively or quantitative give you an answer on that because I don't know exactly what natural history is going to say.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#14

You don't know that...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#15

They're trying to beat natural history, and I don't know exactly what natural history is going to say for the subset of the patients as they're actually -- they're maybe 12 months. We've dosed anywhere from a just 6 months to 10 years of age. So there's a whole...

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#16

But you kind of do like age...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#17

You are. And that's why it takes a little bit of time. That's why I don't give you an answer.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#18

Understood. Understood. Okay. So that's obviously an important and that meeting with the FDA in the fourth quarter.

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#19

Yes, it will be in the fourth quarter. And we plan on hitting that time line.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#20

And then so somewhere together, like...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#21

30 days later, we'll get the meeting minutes, as soon as we get the meeting minutes, I go to the Board of Directors, make sure that they're cool with it. And then we're going to release all the data at sort of the regulatory update to the Street.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#22

Okay. So it sounds like back half of 4Q, '26 is a more likely time. Is that...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#23

I would say, back half of '26 to very, very early '27.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#24

Okay. Okay. Got it. All right. Very good. And then as far as the study -- the confirmational study, confirmatory trial, the IMPACT trial, where does that stand in terms of its rollout today?

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#25

Yes. So we're still waiting on Europe. We don't have Europe up and running yet. Right now, the only 2 sites that we have, Australia and Canada. And so enrollment really won't pick up until we have all the European sites. We had -- so we have Belgium, Italy, I think, France, U.K., Spain. There's a whole host of countries that need to get up and running. That should happen at the end of the year to early next year. And then we have a couple of sites in the United States for kids that are traveling from abroad. They do this sort of health care tourism. They obviously cannot get reimbursed for [indiscernible]. And so -- because they're from overseas, but they would like to participate in clinical trials. They come to the United States for health care. And so these tend to be a sort of kids coming from families that can afford it. And so we'll set up some side to the United States. We'll say that that will happen at the end of the year to early next year. We'll set all the European sites and then the enrollment really enhances after that. It's also important that we're going to be with FDA in Q4. And if something comes out of that, then we can also modify the trial if needed, based off the discussion with the FDA.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#26

And there, Rob, as you said many times before, they're already aware that you've initiated that study in...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#27

So we've met with them, as I said, like December-ish last year, '25, talked to them about the Phase III. We sent them in the press release when we enrolled the first patient and that was somewhere like May of this year or something like that. So they're aware.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#28

Yes. Any -- do you want to offer any thoughts in terms of what happened with Capricor and how that shook out with the FDA? Does that -- what lessons did you learn or not learn there in terms of what the FDA is looking for in a DMD package?

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#29

Well, one, I find -- I found it great that they're actually continuing to communicate and review the data. I think that shows a lot of flexibility. Obviously, you had the AdCom, you had all the debate around it. Yet the FDA is still communicating and working with the FDA. I actually think that as a good sign, not just for capital actually just for a rare disease and having the flexibility or having the willingness to actually communicate and talk through the data because some of these rare disease packages are very challenging, especially in kids, young kids, Duchenne kids, cardiomyopathy or young looking at pull. I think these are very hard diseases and it takes a good communication. I'm actually pleased to see that they're still talking. I think we did learn some lessons on how you think about setting up your Phase III, how you think about -- and we didn't just smart it from [indiscernible] we actually watch all the trials, all the trials that are ongoing and the lessons burn, not just in Duchenne, but all the rare disease trials and how the FDA communicates around them as well. So we try to always do the best thing we can. We know that this is an open-label study. We know that the FDA doesn't like some of these endpoints because they can be effort based in the open-label study, and you worry about bias or coaching or training and anything, all this stuff. By the way, that's one of the reasons we love STRIVE Velocity 95. It gets away from all of that. StriveVelocity95 is a great endpoint. When you want to tie it back to another endpoint like a functional endpoint and say, hey, look, here's 2 endpoints, 1 functional in nature, 1 effort-based in nature, 1 that has no human touch whatsoever, in STRIVE Velocity 95, and you can show sort of comparison. If you have those 2 approach, I think that really helps with the FDA. And hopefully, we're going to try to do that all of this and create the best package we can, knowing there are limitations to the data.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#30

Okay. So presuming you get good feedback and they say, we agree, we think you should file for accelerated approval, how quickly can you get that filing together?

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#31

Yes. So all right, in that scenario, and that's the A scenario, right? So in that scenario where the high 5 of us and they say, you're good to go, which the FDA never does that. But if they do say that, then we're in the middle of our peak BQ, probably CMC, that's the last to file. We're in the middle of our PPQs. We've found our PP Q1, PQ 2 is done. PPQ3 is underway. We'll probably have all that data in by end of the year. That means we need to meet with CMC part of the FDA early next year to go over that data with them. And then we -- and then once the FDA is good with our 3 PPQs and everything looks good, then we'll start making the CMC module. And we could potentially have the CMC module completed over mid-summer. And then once we do that, that would be the time that we could follow the modules.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#32

But so interestingly, like, for example, if they say, great, go ahead, they don't do that, but anyway. Let's say they say, okay, well, 12 look good, but we want to see 24 for example, which is not inconceivable. So -- but then you could accrue that while you're doing this, right? I mean, is it -- could it be component?

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#33

That's the great news. We've dosed 53 kids. And like they're already dosed. And so every single day is another day that they are just gathering data. So in a scenario where the FDA says, hey, listen, we really like your data. However, we really want data. The great news is those 25 have already been dosed. And you guys -- all the investors, we were pretty transparent -- actually very transparent on all our safety last year and this year, and we updated our press releases. I mean, our presentations pretty much on a monthly basis, and you could see the ends. And so basically, you guys can pretty much track exactly when we dosed 25 to 30 patients. I would just want to give you a heads up that we actually released a press release very early in 2026, and we basically said 25 patients had been dosed by the year-end of '25 -- '25 to '28, something like that. And so if they kick it out to 25 patients, yes, that's like 3 months 3 months. So it's not bad at all. That's the great news of dosing 53s. It's just sort of like there the data is going to be rolling in over the course of the next couple of months.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#34

And I guess it's hard to really have a lot of insight into that number, right? What they...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#35

You got to have the meeting. You have to have the meeting, you have to talk to the people. You have to understand what they're going to -- how they feel about the data. Duchenne is tricky. And obviously, you can see it from all the other companies. And so we don't want to get from the head of the FDA, let's just have the meeting with them, hear them out. We're going to push. We are going to push. If our data looks good, then we're going to push. And so let's see what happens.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#36

Okay. All right. Let's talk about another important rare disease, Friedreich's Ataxia. So obviously, it's good to see there's been some progress in that field and where there is an approved drug, as we all know. But your approach is potentially more on pathway in terms of restoring the missing protein. So yes, tell us about -- first of all, just tell us about 212 and how it works in terms of the dual mode of administration.

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#37

Yes. So we're very excited about this. We want to make a drug that we could meet the patient wherever they are in the course of their disease. And so as you think about different types of patients, tepropenotypes, patient that's 40 years old, very severe, needs help in the heart, needs help in the spinal cord and cerebellum. We'll have a drug for them. Hopefully, then we go down to like a 20-year-old maybe they have plus or minus cardiomyopathy, spinal column somewhat intact, cerebellum is intact. We have a drug to them or a 6-year old, they're definitely not going to have any cardiac symptoms yet. You really have no core idea the course of her disease, and we will have a drug for her. That's the goal long term for this study. Right now, what we're doing is we're studying really the sickest patients. And we're studying the nonambulatory patients that are pretty well advanced. I mean our first 2 patients were mFARS of 80. To put it in perspective, 93 is the worst of the worst. Third patient that was dosed in August, and she was mFARS in the 50s, low 50s, so a little less severe but still pretty severe. And we have 2 additional patients that are coming up. What we're trying to do is dual route of administration. What does that mean? That means that we first go right to the heart of the problem, which is the dentate nucleus of the cerebellum. We dose that patient using an IDN stereotactic approach an MRI-guided approach, so we can actually see the coverage of the dentate nucleus in real time as we're dosing the patient. We use an enhancement agent, so we can through the MRI exactly how much we're covering. We wanted to cover roughly 15% to 20% of the dentate nucleus. We're covering a lot more than 15%, 20% of the dentate nucleus. We've never disclosed that number for our first 3 patients, but it's significant. And then we let the patient rest. That procedure just to let you know how that procedure works. From the time that they walk in to the time that they it's about 4 hours, realistically, the surgery itself because you're only going to 3 millimeters, and you're really only going -- you're only doing about 2 hours of surgery. So it's in and out. It is done that 2 hours of surgery means from the time the needle goes in to the time the sutures all, you're done. They rest for about an hour, and then we give them the IV dose. Eventually, this is going to be outpatient dosing. We'll have multiple clinics across the country that will be doing this. We already have 3, which is Ohio State, UCLA and CHOP or Penn and then we're going to basically open it up to additional additional sites. And so additional size for our Phase III trial. So what are our goals, just so you understand. We've dosed 3, we're getting ready those, hopefully, knock on wood, patient #4 in September, patient #5 in October. We're hoping for 2 additional patients by year-end to give us 7 total. That means we can meet with the FDA sometime in the first half of 2027, and we can provide them the data and start talking about a registrational trial. If we have a path forward for a registrational trial, this will be a real placebo-controlled trial. And why? We want to make sure that we not only get approval in the United States, but we also get approval ex U.S., and we get reimbursement ex U.S. Friedreich's Ataxia as founders factors out of Europe, it's a huge population, it's bigger than the United States. And we want to make sure we get this to all the patients that are needed. So we would hope to start that trial end of next year and into '27 and get it up and running. So we have some time next year, if everything goes well, we'll have a Phase III in Duchenne and the Phase III in FA.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#38

So how big a Phase III would you need that's depending on what the FDA says, but it doesn't sound like it's going to be a very big trial.

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#39

Yes. So realistically, it all comes down to the powering, right? So the powering, if you think about mFARS just natural history, you always go up and to the right. you always move, unfortunately, they always progress. The mFARS never stops. So depending on your average mFARS baseline, you can sort of pick and project how many points they should increase over the course of a year to 1.5 years. And then with the first 7 to 10 patients that we dose will understand what are VARs, whether it's a pause, whether it's a reduction, whether it's just a slowdown, understand that trajectory and then we'll be able to power the study. My guess, my rough guess, no more than 50 patients in a double-blind placebo-controlled trial, that's guessing without actually having any data. I have no data that tells me right now of the impact of our drug on the first 10 kids because 10 patients because we're on dose 3 and they've only been out for a short period of time. But we'll be able to power this and power it against natural history and then we'll figure out how to how many patients we can have.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#40

So for the initial 7, what's the time point where you're going to measure mFARS for the first point?

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#41

90 days.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#42

90 days. So some of those 3 are just getting there now or not...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#43

Well, patient #1 was dosed in January. Patient #2 was dosed in March. Patient #3 was dosed in August. There was a gap in between March and August because we had 3 back-to-back-to-back screen outs due to part issues, and so they didn't make the background. They didn't make the criteria to get into the trial. So that delayed us about 2 or 3 months. So we have 3 patients, different time points. So we actually have some decent. We're going to have some decent data for you guys in Q1.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#44

So you have some for those first 2, you have some initiatives excludes [indiscernible].

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#45

We did.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#46

Okay. And then for the placebo, what is it going to be going to be like a sham procedure. How are you going to do that?

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#47

It's a placebo sham to placebo in the arm. Obviously, for the high be portion of the dose and a little sham, and you don't do [indiscernible], you don't do any -- you don't it's just a little nick on the back because actually when the patients actually do to surgery, all they have is if you cut yourself shaving, you have the little round Band-Aid, that's all you actually have here in the trial. They don't really feel it and it heals very quickly. And so you wouldn't have to do a [indiscernible] or anything like that. It's really just a sham cut with the Band-Aid.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#48

Another important question is when you -- I mean it's a small study, so it could potentially be sensitive to the splitting in terms of who gets the severity on both arms. Is there a correlation between the rate of progression of MFAR and the absolute value of mFARS, meaning do you want to make sure that the average is kind of similar...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#49

Yes. No, no. 100% because you -- depending on where you start. If you start lower, you actually have more -- you lose more points per year faster. So if you start at like a 20 or 30 you can lose 4 to 6 points in the year. If you started like a 40, you might lose 3 to 4 points. You started at 60, you might lose 2 points a year. You start at 80, you're going to lose about 0.5 to 1 point a year. And so where you start absolutely depends on sort of like the -- how many points you're going to lose over the course of the year. It is -- this disease is, while it's heterogeneous, it's very relentless. It always marches up to the right. And so to your point, it's very important to get the base on spread.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#50

And as far as I understand, and we've talked about this on prior sessions, even if you see a slowing of the progression that would basically be a positive...

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#51

Look, let's just take mFARS, right? The most severe person possible 80 to 90, it's very hard to actually even tell a difference between 80 and 90, 93 is the most severe, but at 80, they're in really bad shape. So tiles about 0.5% a year. And that's on the conservative route, you could actually say who is a point, let's just say 0.5. If you can just pause for 1 year, you delayed 1 full year of progression. If you decrease even 1 point, you sort of reverted back 2 years, you sort of moved them -- gave them basically 2 years of mFARS decline back or increase back. So yes, so no, it really does matter. And if we can just slow this disease down or pause it or or change the course of mFARS directionally, it could be huge. -- it could be huge for the community.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#52

So you mentioned the placebo-controlled trial, which would support the global approvals. Is there a scenario where even with the 7, if the data look really good that there's an accelerated approval pathway? Or that's on too much of a stretch?

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#53

We're not going to go into the FDA and ask right now. I think -- actually, I don't think it gains us any time. I think if we can go into a really well thought through placebo-controlled trial sometime next year and dose relatively quickly. just thinking through the bureaucratic process of working with the regulatory agencies, especially in Europe. It would be more beneficial just to do the trial the way we were thinking about it. We'll balance the idea of the regulators, if we see something that is just remarkable in nature, then we'll talk to, but we're not there yet, clearly. And so we'll have to wait. But right now, our thought process is we're going from [indiscernible].

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#54

And the Europeans in particular, I mean, they should be okay with the placebo or that -- because I know over there, there's some questions around that.

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#55

That's correct. That's why we're going to do the trial in the United States.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#56

You're only going to do U.S. Okay. All right. Do you want to speak a little bit about the platform very briefly because you do have the capsid platform and you have a lot of licensing agreements through the technology, that doesn't get a lot of airtime.

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#57

Yes. No, we're very fortunate. I think we have great capsid in what's called Polaris now. It used to be called SLB-101, now it is called Polaris. We have 50 different agreements with either whether academic labs or small companies wanting not only our capsid but a dual plasmid, sometimes talking to us about our promoters and manufacturing capabilities. Long term, we believe this Polaris capsid will be the dominant capsid in any of the cardiac or skeletal muscle diseases that are using AAVs. We're already seeing universities shifted away from first-generation AVs and move toward Polaris. We're open for business because we want to actually change the course of gene therapy, make it investable again, get a lot of companies that are out there that are smaller that can't afford the $10 million capsids and you should not go back to the AV Rh74, AAV9, first-gen capsids because we know what you're going to get, and we know what to expect there. So why not try Polaris. And so we're working with multiple companies. We're working with multiple academic labs. We have other capsids too. We create all our capsids analyses. We create them with either AI on one side or we hand make up on the other with using RGD peptides and starting peptides and making small mutations. So we have 2 different type of capsid platforms all coming together. Our next capsid looks like it's called 282, we'll name it soon. and we're going to license that capsid out as well as well. I think we have like 4 or 5 other capsids that are going through nonhuman primate work right now. We'll have all that. Hopefully, by year-end, we're going to present some of that data very early next year. And hopefully, it will change the trajectory. No one's paid to your point, your goal, no one's paying attention to it. What's going to happen in 3 to 5 years, while everyone's focused on Duchenne, everyone's focused on FA, all of a sudden, you're going to see 100 -- making the number up, 100 to 200 programs coming out of academic labs, using solid inside, solid technology inside. And then the great thing is that royalty stream will be coming down the road. And so long tail. And while everyone is going to get the big inflection points, hopefully on Duchenne and FA, then all of a sudden the capsid platform really kicks in, in year 3, 4.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#58

Okay. One more. You already touched on it. You mentioned AI being used to design some of the capsids. So is that the primary usage of the AI tools solid? Or are you using it for other things like preparing filings, analyzing data, summarizing....

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#59

We have -- so we're building it internally for ourselves. We have a third party that's helping us build it -- what we want to do is we want to analyze all our preclinical data, all our CMC data for every single batch, all of our clinical data compared to natural history and be able to run this for each and every program. We're also allowing some of our customers that I just mentioned on our capsid platform to pull their data into our networks and help them analyze their data. And then the AI platform actually helps all the regulatory documents. So anybody that uses our capsids, right, they can leverage our nonhuman primate data. They can leverage our mouse data. They can all the GLP tox data. They can help them get through regulatory process quicker. If they use our platform, our AI platform, insert their data into our platform that actually they can leverage other people's data as well. is all anonymized. So they get to keep their data, but they also get to leverage all the day that we're building. And so we're going to be doing that for all our customers that are using our capsids.

Yigal Nochomovitz

analyst
#60

All right. Very good. Well, thank you very much, and a lot to look forward to for the balance of the year and beyond.

Alexander Cumbo

executive
#61

Yes. Thank you, Yigal.

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