Spanish Broadcasting System, Inc. (SBSAA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

June 8, 2023

OTC Pink Market US Communication Services earnings 45 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good day, and welcome to the Spanish Broadcasting's First Quarter 2023 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brad Edwards of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Brad Edwards

attendee
#2

Thanks, Jason, and good morning, everyone. Before we begin, please recognize that certain statements on this conference call are not historical fact. They may be deemed, therefore, to be forward-looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. In particular, statements about future results expected to be obtained from the company's current strategic initiatives are forward-looking statements. Many important factors may cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those discussed in any such forward-looking statements. Spanish Broadcasting System undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise its forward-looking statements. Please also note that we will be discussing non-GAAP financial measures. The company believes that operating income before depreciation and amortization, loss on the disposal of assets and other operating expenses, excluding non-cash stock-based compensation or adjusted OIBDA, is useful in evaluating its performance because it reflects a measure of performance for the company's stations before considering costs and expenses related to capital structure and dispositions. This information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for operating income, net income or loss, cash flows from operating activities or any other measure used in determining the company's operating performance or liquidity that is calculated in accordance with U.S. GAAP. A reconciliation of the company's U.S. GAAP information to adjusted OIBDA is provided in the tables attached to the company's first quarter 2023 earnings release, which is available on the Investor Relations section of the company's website at www.spanishbroadcasting.com. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Albert Rodriguez.

Albert Rodriguez

executive
#3

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the SBS 2023 first quarter earnings conference call. On today's call, we will provide an overview of recent operating developments and review our financial results. Joining me today are Jose Molina, our Chief Financial Officer; and Richard Lara, our General Counsel. Our first quarter results demonstrated the power and reach of our national network and digital capabilities as well as further confirmation of our multi-platform strategy. Our brands continue to resonate with Latinos nationwide. We increased our aggregate audience and continue to invest in our business to drive accelerated growth in the years ahead. While our live events division impact our results due to less events compared to last year, we have a compelling concert lineup in the rest of 2023 and expect to see improved performance in that division. Our audio stations continue to perform exceedingly well and sit at the top of the markets they serve. Our Orlando and Tampa stations continue to expand their market presence, and we remain on track to be profitable with both of these stations this year. This confirms our dominant position as the largest Hispanic audio broadcaster in Florida. We refer our Miami, Orlando, and Tampa cluster as the Golden Triangle. We also recently expanded our footprint into the Houston market through the acquisition of KROI FM. Houston is one of the top audio markets in the nation, and we are excited to bring our talent commitment in connection with Hispanics in Texas in and unique station format to KROI FM. These investments are key for the 2024 Presidential election cycle, and SBS advocacy team is in place to interact with all the nationwide candidates. Now let's review our operations, and we'll start with our AIRE Radio Networks. For the first quarter of 2023, AIRE Radio Networks outpaced the marketplace by 25%. Miller Kaplan reported network spot down by 13%, while AIRE Radio Networks delivered an outstanding performance of plus 12%. The key categories in this period were home improvement, plus 93%; television, plus 214%; automotive, plus 45%; and pharmaceutical, plus 62%. Miller Kaplan also confirms that Spanish Broadcasting is the fastest radio revenue audio linear broadcaster in the nation outpacing the industry by 700 basis points. AIRE Radio Networks, the largest minority-owned Hispanic audio network delivering 95% of Spanish language listeners across all the country, continues its commitment to super serving Hispanics audio radio networks, reaching 15 million weekly Hispanic listeners across more than 300 affiliates, NMSDC certified, with presence in the top 50 U.S. Hispanic markets. Some of the key highlights for AIRE new initiatives included Show de Omar y Argelia launching the summer's nationwide El Terrible morning show; La Mezcla Con Alex Sensation, the influencer network delivering campaign messaging through a national platform while penetrating local markets; and Artistas360, where brands are aligned with Latin artists. Now we look at our audio division. We're celebrating rating success, engagement and loyalty across New York, Los Angeles, Miami, Puerto Rico, Chicago, San Francisco, Tampa as well as in Orlando. With our relentless dedication and knowledge of the Hispanic market, not only have we achieved impressive ratings in all of our markets, but we have also experienced a significant growth in listener loyalty and engagement. Our primary goal has always been to create unique engagement and high-quality content that resonates with our diverse Hispanic audience. Our creativity, teamwork have made it possible for us to achieve this objective. We are #1 in New York with WSKQ FM Mega 97.9, #1 in Los Angeles [ mornings ] KXOL Mega 96.3 FM, #1 in Miami with WXDJ FM El Zol 106.7, #1 in Orlando WPYO FM El Zol 95.3, #1 in Puerto Rico WMEG FM Mega 106.9, and I can go across the board in Puerto Rico. We are #1 everywhere in Puerto Rico, #1 in San Francisco KRZ La Raza 93.3 (sic) [ KRZZ La Raza 93.3 ], #1 18 to 34 in Miami with WRMA FM Ritmo 95.7. In New York, our programming and on-air team continues to captivate the hearts and minds of one of the most demanding Hispanic audiences in the world. Our ability to innovate and stay ahead of the curve has enabled us to become a staple in the daily lives of millions in the nation. WSKQ Mega 97.9 is the #1 station in New York and the #1 most listened to online streaming station in the nation. In Los Angeles, our programming has struck a chord with the vibrant and bustling Hispanic community as our number -- as our morning show, Omar y Argelia on KXOL FM Mega 96.3, has now become one of the top-rated morning shows in the city, beating all of Spanish contemporary stations in the latest Nielsen April 2023 ratings book. This is a testament to our ability to understand and adapt to the taste and preferences of our listeners. Meanwhile, in Miami, we have tapped into the unique cultural blend of the city, offering content that reflects its diverse and dynamic character. This has allowed us to establish a presence in the city as we continue to grow our listener base and expand our influence where we are creating a personal touch points with our Hispanic local community. As we move forward, we celebrate these accomplishments and remember that our success is built on the foundation of pushing boundaries and creativity and innovation as we strive to maintain our position as leading source of entertainment and information for a family of listeners. We have so many more to highlight. Here are a few. Orlando, WPYO El Nuevo Zol 95.3 continues to dominate Orlando and Central Florida market. Our morning show, El Despelote with Rocky the Kid, is again the #1 in the Orlando market, beating every station in the market, adults 18 to 49. KLAX La Raza is #1 regional Mexican station with the Chikilin in mid-days, 10:00 to 3:00. Chikilin is also on our San Francisco station across our rider -- our AIRE Radio Network. In Puerto Rico, we have a station with the #1 in every demographic group. With adults 18 to 34, Mega 106.9 is #1 with a 9.3 share. WODA FM La Nueva 94.7 is #2 with an 8.7 share. And with adults 18 to 49, Mega 106.9 is #1 across the board. Turning now to our live events division. SBSE generated 5.9 gross ticket sales for Q1 with the heritage shows, Calibash and Dia Nacional de la Banda. The division continues to see a high demand for events through the rest of the year and closed a multiyear agreement with Oak View Group, the largest developer of sports and live entertainment venues in the world to produce SBS heritage shows such as Mega Bash, Mega Mezcla and others in venues in New York, Austin, Palm Springs and many more. SBS Entertainment also secured a strategic partnership with touring partner to co-produce Dia Nacional de la Zalsa and Guaya Guaya in Orlando later this year. The division continues to see great demand for shows as Mega Bash, MiamiBash, La Raza, [ more ] Dia Nacional de la Zalsa to name a few for 2023 and has a comprehensive show schedule for the remainder of the year well into 2024. Now turning to our mobile and digital platforms and strategic initiatives. Over the last several years, we've had great success of transforming SBS into a leading multimedia Hispanic media company. Today, we connect brands with more Hispanics than ever before, and our aggregate audience continues to expand. For our brand partners, there have never been a more important time to have a Latino-focused marketing strategy and outreach programs. The Latino population is growing rapidly in size, cultural influence and purchasing power. SBS has the multimedia assets, the reach, and over 4 decades of experience and commitment to the Latino community across the U.S. And as such, we can deliver compelling and integrated advertising opportunities that cross all major media platforms and offer access to coveted demographic groups. As it was stated in the last 2020 census, the Hispanic population was the fastest-growing group in the United States. And as such, it is our responsibility to continue to grow that Hispanic audience within our platforms. As I stated, our aggregate audience continues to grow, and it is our fiduciary responsibility to continue to grow it. And we do have the #1 station in America, WSKQ, regardless of language. No one comes close to the station Mega in New York. It is the #1 linear station and the #1 stream station in America per Nielsen. Period. As of March 31, our total audience was up 48% compared to Q1 the prior year. March 2023, we had a record 3.4 million unique listeners to live audience compared to 1.8 million in 2022. The total division grew by 16% year-over-year. Our LaMusica platform reaches over 3.9 million people across all devices, who combine for over 26 million streaming hours per month. Usage and adaptation of LaMusica continues to accelerate as it offers a truly unique mobile and digital experience, including original daily video content, short-form programming, millions of songs and a personalized experience. Overall, we have placed strategic emphasis on identifying new digital revenue streams as well as increasing our CPMs on existing digital offerings. We have launched Digidea, an in-house marketing agency to allow us to sell additional digital products to our clients that need such as SEO, SEM, OTT ads and much more. We are also in the process of launching a brand and new podcast division that will add dozens of new unique podcasts unrelated to our existing audio-based podcasts. We have high expectations for both new initiatives. During the first quarter, our total streaming audience surpassed 3.4 million unique listeners per month. This audience delivered 38 million listening hours and over 80 million total sessions in the quarter. Given Hispanics overly index on mobile phone ownership and usage, mobile remains the primary driver of our mobile digital traffic and accounted for approximately 95% of our total digital traffic in the quarter. A key driver of our growth in streaming hours and sessions has been the expansion of our LaMusica user base as well as increasing consumption of our podcast and playlist products with average time spent listening of over 45 minutes in the most popular categories. In summary, our audio stations remain at the top of their markets and our aggregate multi-platform audience is significantly compared to last year. The Latino consumer base has never more highly sought after today. We connect brands with engaged multi-platform audience in more ways than ever before. 2023 will be another exciting and successful year for SBS, and we can't wait to keep you updated on our progress. And we are so excited because at SBS, of the top 20 stations in America, SBS has 3 of the top 20 rated stations in America. They happen to be SKQ Mega New York, KXOL Mega in Los Angeles and KLAX La Raza in Los Angeles. Mega in Los Angeles is the highest rated, most streamed station in the entire California region by Nielsen nationwide. Thanks for your time and your attention today. Now let me turn the call over to Jose Molina for the financial review. Jose?

Jose Molina

executive
#4

Thank you, Albert. Before we turn to our results, I would like to mention that our television segment and its related real estate assets, which are pending to be sold, were classified as assets held for sale, and their operations have been reclassified as discontinued operations for the current and prior year periods. Also, our operating results were impacted by our special event schedule, which had less show nights and lower ticket sales and related event expenses. In addition, our operating results continue to be impacted by our investments in our Orlando and Tampa start-up stations, unique Spanish language talent and content for our terrestrial and digital properties and our digital infrastructure and capabilities, personnel and offerings, such as our SBS global podcasting group and Digidea, our pure-play digital marketing department. We believe that these are necessary and the right investments to drive accelerated long-term growth while also sustaining and building on the power of our brands and market leadership positions. Now let's turn to our first quarter results. Our consolidated revenues totaled $34.5 million compared to $38 million for the same prior year period, resulting in a decrease of approximately $3.5 million or 9%. The decrease was primarily the result of lower special event revenues, local and barter sales, partially offset by increases in national, network and digital sales. Our operating expenses increased 5%, primarily due to increases in compensation and benefits, allowance for doubtful account, music license fees and transmitter rent, partially offset by a decrease in special event expenses. Our station operating income, a non-GAAP measure, totaled $6.8 million compared to $11.7 million for the same prior year period. Corporate expenses decreased 10% due to decreases in compensation and benefits, travel and entertainment and professional fees. Adjusted OIBDA, a non-GAAP measure, totaled $3.4 million compared to $7.8 million in the same prior year period. Capital expenditures during the first quarter were approximately $805,000. As of yesterday, we had cash on hand of approximately $8.6 million, which includes the $3.8 million deposit related to the WVOZ television transaction. As I mentioned on our last call, we expect capital expenditures to be in the range of $3 million to $4 million for the full fiscal year 2023 and cash taxes to be in the range of $4.5 million to $7 million, excluding any additional taxes needed to be paid on the WVOZ television transaction. This will conclude our formal remarks. And with that, I would like to turn the call over to Brad for any questions.

Brad Edwards

attendee
#5

Thanks, Jose. So for Albert and Jose, looking closer at the first quarter revenue performance, can you break out revenue by category, local, national, digital as well as what the key drivers were and to do the same for operating expenses as well?

Albert Rodriguez

executive
#6

Sure. Look, national was up 22%, network was up 16%, digital was up 20%. It was off by some of the decreases. Local was off by single digits. It was off by 6%. Barter was down by 31%, and the events were off by -- they were down by 37%. But when you take everything into consideration, the events were a big part of why the Spanish Broadcasting were down. But when you look at the key drivers of why we were up, national, when you look at all the data management platforms in Miller Kaplan, we were #1 in terms of revenue growth. There was no one that was even close. We completely outpaced all of the large broadcasters. We have an incredible national team. We're at the forefront of all of the big categories, automotive, the retailers, the pharmaceuticals and health care and finance as well as with network telecom is starting to come back. So I think we're performing exceptionally well in those key drivers, in particular, those categories. Now you've seen, because of the economy, a slowdown in the first part of the year, the first quarter and the second quarter. But we're seeing that there's optimism in the third and the fourth quarter. So the ad market is optimistic of that, and we're hopeful that there's an ad recovery for that and in particular, that there's a presidential election cycle that is in place for 2024. And in my remarks at the beginning of the call, we're in the key battleground states. And in particular, with our strong audio platform, we have a very, very strategic dominant audience platform, and we're going to do really well in the next election cycle. So we're very excited about it. And we're going to see, hopefully, some strong dollars come in in maybe late fourth quarter, but very, very late or early first quarter of '24.

Jose Molina

executive
#7

And as to the operating expenses, just to walk you through, so expenses increased approximately $1.4 million, of which $1.9 million was related to an increase in compensation and benefits, mainly related to programming and selling. Approximately $400,000 was related to an increase in the allowance for doubtful accounts. $300,000 was related to music license fees, related to the new GMR license. Approximately $700,000 was related to various other expenses, which included transmitter rent, promotions, rating services, et cetera. And these increases were partially offset by a decrease of $1.9 million related to special event expenses. To reconcile it a little bit differently, kind of parceling out Orlando and Tampa, so expenses went up by $1.4 million, of which $1.6 million was related to the Orlando and Tampa expenses. $1.2 million was related to compensation and benefits, which exclude Orlando and Tampa. Approximately $400,000 was related to the increase in the allowance for doubtful account. Approximately $300,000 was related to music license fees, and these increases were partially offset by the $1.9 million decrease in special expenses and approximately $200,000 of various other expenses.

Brad Edwards

attendee
#8

And then turning now to an update on the Orlando and Tampa stations. How did those stations perform on a [Technical Difficulty] and OIBDA perspective in Q1 compared to your expectations? And second, could you talk a bit more about the pathway to profitability for those stations?

Albert Rodriguez

executive
#9

Look, with respect to ratings, we just went into that marketplace late April of 2022, and that's a marketplace that we looked at for a long time, and there was an incredible growth with Hispanics, in particular, both in Orlando and Tampa. And the Hispanic population just boomed there and we have been looking at that marketplace for a long time. And Cox had been there for a long time, and that's why we bought the station from Cox, and iHeart had a very dominant position there with their Hispanic format. And within 90 days and 120 days, we basically took, with our format, the #1 Hispanic position. We blew everyone out of the water with our El Zol format, and we have the #1 Hispanic position in every single demographic group over iHeart and Cox and over everybody. And they're not -- iHeart and Cox aren't even close to us. And the other total market stations are very, very far away from us. In the morning, we have a 20% share in all the key demographic groups. That means that 20% of the -- in Orlando, 20% of the Orlando audience is listening to our station. And we've been there for basically a little bit less than a year. So that speaks volumes. Not only are we going to be profitable, not only are we going to be profitable, but we're going to make a lot of money in Orlando. Tampa, we've grown not as quickly as Orlando, but we've grown very well, and we are pleased with the progression that we've made. And we continue to grow week after week, and we continue to feel that we're going to be #1 in that market. But it hasn't been an explosive growth that we've seen in Orlando. But we are still pleased with what we're seeing there. But the message is Tampa and Orlando are going to be profitable in 2023, and we mentioned it last year, and we are on track to be profitable in 2023.

Jose Molina

executive
#10

As to the results of the first quarter, Orlando and Tampa had combined net revenues of approximately $1.5 million. And for adjusted OIBDA, Orlando reached breakeven and Tampa had a small operating loss. LTM adjusted OIBDA loss totaled approximately $3.3 million as of the first quarter of 2023. Our operating LTM results include significant promotional expenditures, mostly one-time in nature, which occurred in 2022. Given that significant promotional expenditures occurred in 2022 and that in Q1 of 2023, these stations were nearly breakeven, we expect Orlando and Tampa operations to have positive adjusted OIBDA growth in 2023.

Brad Edwards

attendee
#11

Great. And then the next question -- the live events SBSE was another part of the business that investors were looking for a broader update on. Most of the questions were focused on the year-over-year decline in Q1, what were the drivers. The other 2 areas of questions were to quantify how the overall business performed -- overall SBS business performed excluding the Entertainment division as well as what the forward event calendar looks like for the remainder of 2023.

Albert Rodriguez

executive
#12

Look, we did few nights in Q1, and last year in 2022, we were coming off a year – [ let ] the prior year in 2021 for obvious reasons. There were -- people were doing less events and people were even questioning us if we were going to do so many events in 2022. So we had an incredible first quarter last year with events. And what we did was we scaled back and doing less events in Q1 to spread them out to the rest of the year. And we were also involved in a very lengthy strategic negotiation and finalization of a strategic long-term multiyear agreement with Oak View Group, the largest developer of sports and live entertainment venues in the world. And that's a multiyear agreement. And we did a long-term year agreement with them. And so we've pushed back some of the dates that we were going to do in Q1, and we're pushing it back for the rest of the year. In some of them, we're going to be participating with Oak View. So we wanted to strategically push some of the events, and we're incorporating with Oak View. But at the end, we feel that not only are we going to make up some of the EBITDA that we missed -- or our plan is to not only make it up, but hopefully generate even more cash flow.

Jose Molina

executive
#13

Just to put some numbers around it, for the first quarter of 2023, our event revenues totaled $5.9 million, as Albert mentioned, and that was a decrease of about $3.5 million compared to prior period. And event profits totaled $1.5 million, a decrease of $1.5 million compared to the prior year period.

Brad Edwards

attendee
#14

Great. I'm moving on. Another area where the number of questions about was Q2 pacings as well as our thoughts on operating expenses for full year 2023. So maybe we could start -- Albert, maybe we could start with a view into the current pacings. And then, Jose, maybe you could provide a little bit more detail on how we should think about operating expenses for full year 2023.

Albert Rodriguez

executive
#15

Sure. So look, April for national, it was down double digits for national, low double digit. It was about 12%. Local was down about 3%. And -- excuse me, network was about flat. And then in national for May, it completely rebounded. It's plus 20%. No other broadcaster in America for national is plus 20%. Pretty much, I think all the broadcasters in America are down about 15 points or 12 points. Local is about flat for May, maybe off a percentage point or 2, and network is up about a few points. So Jose, I'm not sure if you wanted to add anything else.

Jose Molina

executive
#16

Sure. Look, from -- as to our full year operating expenses, we believe that our full year operating expenses would increase, give or take, mid-single-digit range, and that excludes any Houston start-up investment costs. And we believe that corporate expenses will decrease in the low to mid-single-digit range for the full year.

Albert Rodriguez

executive
#17

I wanted to add one more thing, Brad. For the month of June, we were going over the numbers with our national team. The month of June, I've already surpassed in the month of June what national did in the entire month of June last year. So our June is through the roof right now for national. And our local is about flat, and network is about flat, but they're planning to add a lot of money. And like I mentioned, the latter part of the year, third and fourth quarter, where we're hoping -- the industry is hoping that there's going to be an ad recovery, and that typically is right before a presidential election cycle. And I think we're sitting pretty solid, in particular because of the stronghold with all the states that we're covering in right now, the stronghold in Florida. We're in key areas in Florida, Tampa, Orlando and Florida, and those are key battleground districts in Florida for the presidential cycle. No one is going to be in a much more dominant position than Spanish Broadcasting, and in particular, with the reach that radio has right now, particularly Hispanic radio. Hispanic radio, the reach that Hispanic radio has right now has surpassed really even the total market radio in essence when you compare it to certain video aspects. And when you look at other battleground states, when you look at the reach that we have in Georgia, Pennsylvania, even New York, Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, Texas. Texas is an important for us. That's why we're in Houston and even with our audio platforms and the audience that we have in Dallas and all of these other markets. So we're in an extremely dominant position with our audio platform on LaMusica. So I think we're in a very, very dominant position for 2024 to continue to drive and deliver huge results. And if -- look, the 2020 census was clear. The Hispanic audience grew. There was no other group that grew as much as the Hispanic audience, and we have a fiduciary responsibility to our platform, to our shareholders because the other audiences didn't grow as much as our audiences. And like I mentioned in my formal remarks before, when you look at the top 20 stations in America, we have 3 of the top 20 stations. We have the #1 linear station, #1 stream station. The last I checked on video, Netflix is probably one of the dominant stream platforms in America. They're not the dominant force on linear on video. We have the dominant force in audio in linear in America. No one comes close to WSKQ. Mega in New York is #1 in linear and in audio and stream. So we're very proud of our accomplishments. We're very proud of our programming and in our content team and no one comes near that, and no one in America can say that they have both under their wing like we do.

Brad Edwards

attendee
#18

Great. Thank you for the color. We received a number of questions about capital structure and what the company's plans are moving forward. So just probably for Jose, but obviously, Albert, weigh in if you want to. But Jose, could you walk through what the priorities are moving forward?

Jose Molina

executive
#19

Sure, sure. So look, SBS' management, we've been laser-focused on the deleveraging transaction of selling our television and real estate assets to Voz Media, which should close by the end of the month or early next month, and we do not expect any delays. For months, we've been working on separating our television operations from our continuing operations and providing a smooth transition of these operations to both. We've received a nonrefundable $3.8 million deposit, which is currently in our bank accounts. And at close, we should receive approximately $58.2 million with an additional $2 million within a year. As a preliminary estimate, the gross asset proceeds of $57 million, which is $64 million of our purchase price, minus the $7 million of prepaid advertising buy, that should net proceeds in the low $40 million range after considering transaction costs and taxes. We continue to analyze and consider the best use of the net asset proceeds after we close on this transaction, such as the acquisition of Houston station, KROI FM. Also, as I've mentioned in my prepared remarks, the recent and continued investments that we are making across our business will drive future top line growth but has and will continue to have a near-term impact on our operating results. We remain committed to reducing our leverage and expect leverage to begin improving in the latter half of the year as our margins and profitability begin to improve and normalize, pro forma any start-up costs related to the Houston station.

Brad Edwards

attendee
#20

Right. And then the last question. So again on the Houston station acquisition, can you and Albert provide some more color on how you see the station's revenue and expenses trending in the near term? And what does the pathway to profitability for the station look like?

Jose Molina

executive
#21

Sure, sure. So first, I would like to just start by mentioning that this was an opportunistic and strategic purchase given the attractive purchase price of $7.5 million. And the fact that, as Albert mentioned, it's in the third largest Hispanic DMA per Nielsen. Second, this acquisition gives us an opportunity. It gives us a footprint in Texas and allows us to unpack all of our offerings in Houston: our programming; our streaming assets; our radio network SBS; a global podcasting; Digidea, our digital in-house agency; SBS Entertainment, live events; and more in addition to giving us the opportunity to enter into the Texas political market. I think that will be big in 2024. The closing of the Houston transaction is scheduled for late third quarter, maybe early fourth quarter, and it will be funded by the asset sale proceeds of the Voz transaction. After the close, we will be reformatting the station and have standard start-up costs that are required when the station is reformatted clearly. These costs can range based on the market and the synergies that we can provide. And at this time, we're not going to be providing any estimates on the start-up costs or any near-term profitability. What we will say and what we truly believe, we believe that Houston can reach breakeven in year 2 of its operation, and its projected EBITDA after its start-up stage should be in the range of $1 million to $4 million.

Albert Rodriguez

executive
#22

Thank you, Brad, and thanks to the operator. Look, I want to thank everyone who participated on today's call. And I want to thank everyone who has sent us questions. We take your questions very seriously, and we looked at everything, and I hope we addressed everyone's questions. And any future questions, please send it to us. I look forward to participating in second quarter 2023, and I look forward to answering all those questions. And nothing -- I hope everyone participates again, and have a great day. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#23

Conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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