Spirax Group plc (SPX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

March 10, 2022

London Stock Exchange GB Industrials Machinery earnings 79 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's call. [Operator Instructions]

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#2

Welcome to our 2021 results call. I'm Nicholas Anderson, Group Chief Executive, and I'm joined here today by our CFO, Nimesh Patel. Regarding today's presentation, I will start by sharing the 2021 highlights, and then Nimesh will take you through the financial performance. Later, I will return to cover the operations in 2021 and our outlook for 2022. To finalize, we'll be happy to take questions from the analysts who have joined us today. Now before we get started into today's presentation, I'd like to update you on our position regarding the tragic events unfolding in Ukraine over the past 2 weeks. We are all shocked and appalled by these tragic events and strongly condemn the Russian authorities for their actions. Our concerns and priorities are for the safety and well-being of all our employees across the region. We remain in constant contact with all our Ukrainian colleagues and continue supporting them and their families, including those that chose to seek safety outside the country. In response to the further escalation of the contract as well as the tragic consequences for the people and the economy of Ukraine, we have suspended all trading with Russia. This means all group companies will no longer trade with or within Russia. We will continue to support our 70 Russian colleagues by paying their salaries for a period of time. Our business -- just for context, our business in the region represented close to 1% of group revenues in 2021. Okay. So now moving to Slide 3 and getting started on the presentation. The outstanding efforts and contributions of all our employees worldwide were of pivotal importance to deliver outstanding outcomes in 2021 to all our stakeholders in support of our purpose. I am very proud of our colleagues and very grateful for their engagement and commitment. The health, safety and well-being of all our colleagues remained our highest priority in 2021. As we continuously work to strengthen the group's health and safety culture and performance, we reduced the number of lost time accidents by 55% to the lowest level on record and achieved no lost time accidents in 5 of the 12 months of last year. Across our 3 businesses, we have been implementing sector-specific growth programs to generate demand, including the launch of new solutions. We also expanded our direct sales organization, recruiting almost 200 new sales and service engineers to support our global growth. In June, Steam Specialties launched its refreshed business strategy, internally branded Customer first squared, completing a trio of business strategy refreshes commenced in 2020. During the year, we also refreshed our sustainability strategy and launched our group-wide inclusion plan. We also made good progress on our digital strategy, including the acquisition of Cotopaxi. Our colleagues successfully managed the increasing disruption of the global supply chain through strategic sourcing and working closely with our supply chain partners, while at the same time, mitigating the rising cost inflation through our proactive price management processes. We accelerated revenue investments in product development, our direct sales force, digital and sustainability initiatives. In addition to these revenue investments, we also made record capital investments, including accelerating the expansion of Watson-Marlow's BioPure facility, adding a third extrusion line in pharma and continuing to modernize our manufacturing equipment as part of our future factory initiatives. Moving now to Slide 4. We achieved record revenues in 2021, with organic growth 13% above pre-pandemic levels. Growth was driven by our focused strategy execution, a strong recovery of global industrial production and exceptional demand from our pharmaceutical and biotechnology customers. We also achieved an exceptional 25.3% profit margin, mostly driven by strong sales growth, with the benefit of operational gearing partly offset by the ramp-up of revenue investments, which mostly impacted the second half of the year. All 3 businesses ended the year with record order books as a result of strong demand growth combined with some global supply chain disruptions. The Steam Specialties business experienced strong sales growth ahead of IP, with growth in demand outstripping sales and leading to an expansion of the order book carried into 2022. Demand growth in the Electric Solution -- Thermal Solutions business was very strong, even higher than Steam Specialties demand growth. As demand growth was significantly ahead of sales, the business ended the year with a record order book. Watson-Marlow delivered record sales supported by exceptional demand from the biotechnology and pharmaceutical sector as well as strong demand from Watson-Marlow's process industries. This exceptional demand outstripped our capacity in some plants, leading to the largest order book expansion of any of our businesses. A key strength of our business remains our ability to generate cash, and we reduced our net debt to 0.35% -- sorry, 0.35x EBITDA despite our record capital investments of GBP 64 million. On Slide 5, we have set out some of our achievements during a year of significant progress in ESG, a key priority for our company. Central to this progress was the launch in June of our refreshed sustainability strategy, internally branded, One Planet: Engineering with Purpose, which sets out both our commitment to sustainability and our road map to a more sustainable future. Within this strategy, we have set ourselves some strategy targets to deliver climate and environmental action, customer sustainability, resilient supply chains and stronger community engagements. Importantly, we brought forward to 2030 our target of achieving net zero in Scope 1 and 2 greenhouse gas emissions and established a target of reaching net zero on Scope 3 emissions by 2050. We also signed up to 2 important initiatives, Race to Zero and Business Ambition 1.5 degrees Celsius, to guide our activities in line with climate science. To help meet our 2025 biodiversity offset target, we partnered with the World Land Trust to offset 1x our global footprint in 2021 by contributing to a new nature reserve in Argentina. Beyond sustainability, we remain committed to attracting, developing and retaining the best talent in our group. I am very pleased to report that in 2021, we made further progress advancing our gender balance, with women now accounting for 1 in 3 of our senior leadership roles. We also achieved a record 91% response rate in our third biannual employee engagement survey, with engagement scores up on previous years and above global benchmarks. I am very proud to announce that we launched our group inclusion plan, internally branded Everyone is Included, with a set of 10 inclusion commitments established as minimum standards for all our employees globally. And on that note, I'll now hand you over to Nimesh.

Nimesh Patel

executive
#3

Thanks, Nick, and good morning to all of you joining us. I'm pleased to be presenting a strong set of financial results for 2021 and, in particular, to be doing so with so many of you here in person today. So moving to Slide 7. As always, the numbers we'll be discussing today are the adjusted results. Details of the adjusting items are given in the appendix. Sales were 13% higher, reflecting an organic increase of 17%, partly offset by a currency headwind of 3%. Operating profit was 26% higher or 31% on an organic basis, reflecting a currency headwind of 4%. Our operating profit margin improved by 260 basis points to a record 25.3%. And on an organic basis, the margin increased by 280 basis points. This margin performance reflects the impact of our strong sales growth and the benefits of operational gearing, partially offset by the impact of revenue investments, which we made during 2021. Net finance expense decreased due to lower average net debt. And our effective tax rate decreased to 25%, a drop of 240 basis points, as we benefited from innovation tax reliefs. These included retrospective first-time claims for prior years, which delivered a one-off benefit in 2021. We therefore expect the tax rate in 2022 to be higher at 26%. Adjusted EPS of 338.9p was 32% higher, above the increase in operating profit due to the reduced tax rate. Return on capital employed improved to 59% and return on invested capital to 23%, both excluding the impact of IFRS 16, as a result of our increased operating profit and despite our record capital investment. Moving to the sales bridge on Slide 8. Currency had an adverse impact of GBP 41 million on sales, which is over 3%. Since the end of last year, sterling has strengthened, particularly against the euro. If February month-end rates were maintained for the rest of the year, we would expect to see a headwind of less than 1% for the full year. During 2021, our colleagues across all 3 businesses rose to the challenges of significantly ramping up capacity while managing COVID-19-related absences and the reduced availability of components. Thanks to their determination and focus on high-quality execution, we were able to deliver a 17% organic increase in group sales. The organic increase in Steam Specialties sales was 12.3%, with strong growth across all regions supported by a recovery in global industrial production. Sales are now well above pre-pandemic levels, with Steam Specialties sales having declined only 5.5% in 2020. ETS sales grew 6.6% organically, although demand growth was even higher. Shipments were impacted by disruptions in the global supply chain and delays in the delivery of operational improvements in 2 of Chromalox' manufacturing facilities. Nick will expand on this further. An organic increase in Watson-Marlow sales of 32% was driven by exceptional COVID-19-related demand from our pharmaceutical and biotechnology customers as well as sales to process industry sectors growing at a rate which was well ahead of industrial production. Sales would have been higher were it not for global supply chain disruptions. Instead, with demand exceeding sales, we saw a significant expansion in our order book. With strong sales growth in both 2020 and 2021, Watson-Marlow now accounts for 30% of group sales. The next bridge on Slide 9 highlights the movement in adjusted operating profit for the full year. Exchange movements reduced profits by GBP 11 million as a result of both translational and transactional impacts. If February's month-end rates were maintained for the rest of the year, we would expect to see a headwind of less than 1% for the full year. During 2021, Steam Specialties profit grew 27% organically above the growth in sales, reflecting the benefits of operational gearing and despite the increased investments in sales-related headcount, new product development and in our sustainability and digital initiatives, all of which support our future growth. ETS profit increased 3% organically, which was lower than expected due to our lower sales growth and continued investments supporting our operational improvements and new product development initiatives. Watson-Marlow's strong sales performance supported organic profit growth of 46%. Similarly, the Steam Specialties' revenue investments increased during 2021, which also supported an increase in manufacturing capacity. The increase in central expenses also includes the impact of increased revenue investments as well as the establishment of an educational fund to remove barriers to education and improve diversity in engineering with an initial donation of GBP 1 million. The total organic increase in group operating profit was 31%. On Slide 10, as we've done previously, we have set out our adjusted operating profit margin, excluding the 2 large company acquisitions of Gestra and Chromalox, which were made in 2017 and both of which had mid-teens margins. Our margin, excluding these acquisitions, has increased to over 27%, having been close to 25% in each of the previous 3 years. The group margin increased to a record 25.3%, consistent with our guidance that the second half margin would be similar to the first half, despite higher sales as revenue investments made during 2021 were more heavily weighted to the second half of the year. The phasing of these revenue investments is reflected in the drop-through of the increase in organic sales to profit, which reduced from a very high 51% in the first half to a more typical 34% in the second half. If we had incurred the full year costs of our revenue investments, we estimate that the group's 2021 adjusted operating profit margin would have been lower by less than 200 basis points. During 2021, we also saw material cost inflation across various input commodities and components. We were able to mitigate these impacts on our margins through our well-established and proactive approach to price management in all 3 of our businesses. In Steam Specialties business, the adjusted operating profit margin increased by 290 basis points on an organic basis to 25.0%. In ETS, the margin was down 60 basis points organically to 13.2%. And in Watson-Marlow, the margin increased by 340 basis points on an organic basis to 36.7%. Turning now to cash flow on Slide 11. Cash generation remains strong with operating profit to operating cash conversion of 82%. While down on last year's 102%, this was principally driven by an increase in capital expenditure and working capital to support our sales growth. Due to our strong cash generation, we ended the year with net debt of GBP 131 million. Net debt equated to 0.35x EBITDA, down from 0.7x last year. Our ratio of working capital to sales reduced during 2021 to under 21%, reflecting our enhanced stock management practices and maintaining the improvement in our receivables collection practices built up during 2020. Capital expenditure increased to over GBP 64 million, a record level as we continue to invest in strategically important programs, such as expanding Watson-Marlow's manufacturing capacity at multiple sites, including BioPure in the U.K. and commencing construction of our new facility in the U.S., which will continue into 2022. In Steam Specialties, we're continuing to invest in a new ERP system as well as our factory modernization initiative. And in ETS, we completed construction of our new facility for Thermocoax in France. We are targeting higher capital expenditure in 2022 to be between 6% and 7% of sales, with the increase driven mostly by the ongoing investment to support Watson-Marlow's future growth. With this step-up in capital expenditure and working capital continuing to increase in line with revenue, we anticipate that cash conversion in 2022 will be lower than our historical levels of around 90%. Slide 12 details our 10-year dividend history, showing compound annual growth rate of 11% over the period. We have a record of 54 years of dividend progress, during which time the compound annual growth has also been 11% while maintaining prudent levels of dividend cover of between 2 and 2.5x. In respect to 2021, we are proposing a final dividend of 97.5p, reflecting our strong growth, high level of cash generation and confidence in the outlook for our group. This brings the total dividend for the year to 136.0p, an increase of 15% and equates to dividend cover of 2.5x, up from 2.2x last year. I'll now hand you over to Nick to take you through the operations and outlook.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#4

Thank you, Nimesh. On Slide 14, we have once again shared the sequential evolution by quarter of global industrial production output, which we refer to as IP. As you all know, IP is the best predictor of our markets. The blue line on this graph represents Oxford Economics' forecast in July of 2021, which we shared with you at our interim results announcement last August. The red line represents their forecast 6 months later in January of this year. While the green line is their latest forecast published on February 23, the day before Russia invaded Ukraine. The first point to note is the almost 1% lower level of IP output that occurred in the third quarter of 2021 compared to the more than 1% growth originally forecasted for Q3. This was caused by the onset of global supply chain disruptions, which reduced global industrial production forecast for the full years of 2021 and 2022. Consequently, during the 6-month period during July 2021 and January 2022, IP forecast for 2022 was systematically downgraded from 5.0% to 4.1%. Now over the last 3 months, IP forecast for 2022 have ranged between 4.1% and 4.4%, reflecting the ongoing global supply chain disruptions, but not yet the unfolding geopolitical tensions. It is clearly, therefore, premature to make firm IP predictions for 2022. Nevertheless, our robust business model and disciplined execution of our strategies have underpinned the resilience of our performance throughout economic cycles. So we remain confident in our ability to navigate the growing uncertainties ahead. So moving on to Slide 15, we start the review of operations with the Steam Specialties business. Organic sales increased 12.3% in 2021, driving 27% operating profit growth. Demand was higher than sales, resulting in an expansion of the order book carried forward into 2022. The Steam Specialties business accounted for 56% of group revenues in 2021 and experienced strong growth in all regions, supported by a recovery of IP and customers as customers resumed maintenance activity and capital expansion projects that were postponed in 2020. China delivered an excellent 28% organic sales growth, while Latin America was the fastest-growing region globally. North America and EMEA also delivered double-digit growth. Following its acquisition in May 2017, Gestra is now fully integrated into Steam Specialties. And since 2019, Gestra's sales growth performance has remained in line with the Spirax Sarco brand, with adjusted operating profit margins reaching the 20% threshold. In June 2021, Steam Specialties launched its refresh strategy, internally branded Customer first squared. This refreshed strategy builds on the customer first strategy that has been in place since 2014 and expands on key areas such as sustainability, inclusion and digital. In January 2022, Steam Specialties completed the acquisition of Cotopaxi Limited, a digitally enabled global energy consulting and optimization specialist that will accelerate the implementation of our digital strategy by enhancing our ability to connect to customer systems and analyze their data. Steam Specialties' adjusted operating profit margin expanded 290 basis points organically. This reflects strong sales growth and the benefit of operational gearing. Revenue investments were ramped up during 2021 and more heavily weighted to the second half of the year. As a result, the 2021 adjusted operating profit does not reflect the full year impact of these investments, which we estimated would reduce the 2021 operating profit margin by around 200 basis points. We currently anticipate that Steam Specialties' organic sales will continue to grow ahead of global IP forecast in 2022, with the adjusted operating profit margin remaining slightly above pre-pandemic levels. Moving to Electric Thermal Solutions business, or ETS as we call it, on Slide 16. ETS experienced strong overall demand growth in 2022, ahead of Steam Specialties after we adjust for the record $14 million order we received from the U.S. Navy in late 2020. ETS sales grew 7% on an organic basis, while their organic operating profit grew 3%. This strong demand growth, driven in part by our customers' focus on decarbonization of their industrial processes as well as constraints driven by external and internal supply chain issues, resulted in a record order book carried forward into 2022. We also accelerated the synergy and cross-selling opportunities between our Steam Specialties and ETS businesses, which is exposing new and exciting opportunities for both businesses. Chromalox Americas, which represented over 75% of Chromalox sales, experienced strong demand and sales growth and reached an adjusted operating profit margin of 20%, reflecting the scale and qualities of the business in that region. Thermocoax' sales, which grew in 2020 despite the effects of the pandemic, continue to benefit from strong demand growth in the semiconductor sector and delivered further margin growth in 2021. We again increased our revenue investments in ETS, particularly in sustainability, new product development and capacity expansions. These investments, combined with delayed delivery of operational performance improvements in 2 of Chromalox' manufacturing facilities, resulted in operating margin reducing 60 basis points to 13.2%. We anticipate this record order book will drive strong sales growth in 2022 at an organic growth rate above Steam Specialties, while the resulting operational gearing will increase the operating profit margin. Now moving to Slide 17. Watson-Marlow delivered outstanding results in 2021, with 32% organic sales growth and 46% organic profit growth. Exceptional demand from the pharmaceutical and biotechnology sector resulted in the largest order book expansion of any of our 3 businesses. Sales to the biopharm sector grew 43%, with the sector now accounting for almost 60% of Watson-Marlow's total sales. Sales to the process industries sector also grew strongly above IP. During 2021, we ramped up our activities to meet this record demand despite disruptions, global supply chains and shortages of some raw materials and key components. We successfully increased shipments from our BioPure and pharma facilities in the U.K. by over 50% and 35%, respectively. We accelerated capital investments to expand our global manufacturing capacity, increasing the output at BioPure and pharma facilities and commence the build of our state-of-the-art greenfield facility in the U.S.A. We significantly increased our revenue investments to support future revenue growth with an expansion of our sales-related headcount, new product development and sustainability initiatives. Watson-Marlow achieved a 36.7% record margin, up 340 basis points on an organic basis, reflecting the operational gearing from exceptional sales growth but not yet the full year impact of revenue investments. For 2022, we currently anticipate strong sales growth well above global IP, with the adjusted operating profit margin remaining above 2020 levels. Now on Slide 18, I would like to return briefly to the subject of sustainability and inclusion and diversity, which remain 2 of our key strategic opportunity -- priorities as well as very close to my own heart. I talked in my introduction about the strategic targets and the road map that we've established to drive the implementation of our sustainability and our inclusive strategies, such as 16% reduction of our greenhouse gas emissions compared to the 2019 baseline. Under our inclusion plan, Everyone is Included, we have committed to provide support to all new parents and caregivers, anyone suffering from pregnancy loss or domestic abuse as well as for the LGBTQ+ communities and many other more initiatives. In the interest of time, however, I will not expand on these matters now, but I encourage you to read more about them at a later moment. And please feel free to come back to us with any of your questions. On Slide 19, we have again added 3 new customer case studies that illustrate how our 3 businesses improved the performance of our customers, helped them achieve their sustainability targets by reducing energy expenditure and waste and contribute to a more efficient, safer and sustainable world. These case studies are in the Appendix 1 of this presentation, and I would again encourage you to please read more about them at a later moment. So moving now on to our final slide on summary and outlook, which is #20 in the pack. Group sales were up 13%, which represents 17% organic growth. Organic sales growth in 2021 more than offset the small decline experienced in 2020 and has driven group sales 13% above pre-pandemic levels, demonstrating the resilience of our business model and strategies as well as the quality execution of our teams. Adjusted operating profit grew 26% to GBP 340 million. After accounting for a currency headwind marginally above 4%, adjusted operating profit grew 31% on an organic basis. The adjusted operating profit margin was up 260 basis points to a record 25.3%. Margin expansion was driven by strong growth in sales, with the benefit of operational gearing partially offset by the ramp-up of revenue investments, which mostly impacted the second half of the year. We invested a record GBP 64 million of capital investments as well as record revenue investments to support future organic growth, sustainability initiatives and capacity expansion. All of these investments continue to strengthen the implementation of our strategy, which underpins our future growth and our resilience through the economic cycles. We currently anticipate that our record order books will underpin strong sales growth in 2020 -- in 2022, well above global industrial production growth. While the full year impact of our revenue investments will reduce the 2022 operating profit growth rate, we currently anticipate the adjusted operating profit margin in 2022 will remain comfortably above pre-pandemic levels. And that concludes today's presentation. So we will now be pleased to take questions from the analysts in the room and those who have joined us from online. I would request, however, that before asking your question, you please state your name and that of your organization for the benefit of other listeners on this call.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#5

Andy?

Andrew Wilson

analyst
#6

It's Andrew Wilson from JPMorgan. I've got 3, if I maybe take them one by one. Interested in energy prices. Clearly, it would seem fairly obvious that, that would be a beneficiary for you from the perspective of customers demanding your products. But I guess what I'm actually interested in is how quickly do you see that come through in terms of higher demand? If you look at previous times where we've had high energy prices, how much of a lag to that? How much difference would you genuinely make, I guess? A broad question.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#7

Coming through what? In our cost or in our...

Andrew Wilson

analyst
#8

No, no, sorry. No, in terms of high demand from customers. So customers basically being -- because I presume the payback shortens, the reward for doing it increases, and therefore, would expect a step-up. But I'm interested actually whether you see that and if there is a lag for that coming through.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#9

Okay. So we'll take these -- we'll answer the questions one by one. Yes, energy prices do have an impact on our business. I asked the clarification because, as you know, we've got a very robust internal price management processes aligned with strict management and monitoring of our internal cost inflation, and therefore, we are comfortable that we can mitigate the impact on margins or we can neutralize that effect as we have done so many years. So the magnitude of inflation may be higher, but I take the opportunity to reassure you all that we are confident that we can continue to manage that and not have a substantial impact on our margins going forward. In terms of stimulation of demand or generation of further demand, it is a good point. It is a very good point because as we have seen, we are not inelastic to movements in energy prices. okay? We've been helping our customers save energy forever, more than 130 years, really. And so inevitably, as we focus on -- as energy prices do go up, the incentive for customers to reduce their energy consumption or optimize or improve their energy efficiency increases. And that is inevitably a driver of business, a vector of growth for us. So yes, how quickly does it come through? Yes, these efficiency improvement projects are really identified by our sales engineers working the plants and looking for those bespoke opportunities plant by plant, application by application. So it does take a few months, I would say, for those to be identified, et cetera, but we've got a long track record of doing this anyway. So it will be one of the many strings in our bow, one of the many vectors of growth that we foresee going forward. Difficult to quantify how much individually, but it definitely will just strengthen that process and hopefully and shortly will be one of the mitigating factors of any decline in global IP that we might see from current segments.

Andrew Wilson

analyst
#10

So I wanted to ask just around the investments. Obviously, there's been a huge step-up in going through the release. It's obviously in a lot of different areas. And I guess I'm interested mainly on the CapEx side. Are you sort of where you feel you need to be now or you'll be where you need to be in the next sort of 12 to 18 months when the Watson-Marlow facility in the U.S., for example, completes? But -- or do we expect a sort of higher level of CapEx to be a consistent number going forward? I appreciate there's a little bit of a kind of forecast on demand there, but what you can see at least at the moment because, obviously, it has been a fairly meaningful step-up.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#11

Yes. Thank you, Andy. Very good question. Look, I don't think you're ever where you need to be when you have a high level of organic growth and you anticipate sustaining that level. So the challenge for all of us is always to stay ahead of that curve and be prepared to respond fast to additional growth in demand over and above what we are projecting. Actually, that's what helped us in 2021. And starting in 2020, when Watson-Marlow suddenly was hit with -- they always had a strong organic growth rate, as you all recall, averaging pre-pandemic times and CAGR of about 10% per annum. But when we certainly got hit by this step-up in demand, and I mentioned here, for example, the BioPure facility was able to expand their output by 50%. And actually, they did that in 2020 also and in 2019. So you've got to stay ahead. You've got to be investing always ahead of when you think -- so you can respond to that wave of demand when it comes. And that's what's driving us. And it's driving us also to distribute our manufacturing capabilities globally. Now this global distribution to be closer to the customers and to be able to respond faster to win customers' requirements. It's well established in the case of the more mature steam business, but less so in Watson-Marlow. That's why we're also expanding this state of that, which we decided to do before -- and with the rule even before the pandemic and this exceptional demand started. And that's why we're ahead. I think you also want to keep modernizing your facilities. It's not just expanding, but you want to make sure that the existing ones that you have are getting safer, more efficient and expanding capacity. So it is a multipronged approach that will continue. Nimesh has guided due to levels of investments, and we said that we will continue this year -- for example, this year, above average level of investments relative to sales, for example. So we do anticipate doing that. Fortunately, we're a very cash-generative business and low capital intensity business also, and so that allows us to do these investments. And we don't hold back on making whatever is necessary investment to ensure that we'll continue to respond to any increased demand from our customers globally.

Andrew Wilson

analyst
#12

And then final one, just on Watson-Marlow, and I guess it's -- I sort of feel like we've had this conversation in last couple of results when we've seen the exceptional growth as you described it. But just kind of update and maybe reassure a little bit on there isn't going to be a sort of falling off the cliff moment in Watson-Marlow given where we've got to.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#13

Yes, Andy, thank you very much. I know it's, in some ways, the question that everybody has in their mind. This is great, but are we going to fall off a cliff at some point? And obviously, our crystal ball is as hazy as all of yours is. But the best data that we have suggests that there isn't a cliff coming ahead of us. And we've said this now, I must admit bravely some said in the past. And the reason for that is our confidence. And I want to remind you of what we've said in the past, the underlying -- so the biopharm sector is a huge important sector for Watson-Marlow and has been for the last 20 years. And that industry has been growing globally as an industry in double digits, somewhere in the range of 10%, 12%, 14% per annum consistently over the 20 years as the technology -- the biotechnology really takes a bigger grasp of the whole pharmaceutical industry. And the Watson-Marlow products are absolutely ideally suited for those kind of processes, and that's why we have all of this strong demand. And so we're very well positioned in there. So that means that although the industry has been growing as a whole globally, say, 12%, 14% per annum, our sales to that industry had been growing before the pandemic, anywhere between 17% and 20%. So let's call it 20% underlying organic sales growth into the biopharm sector, okay? That underlying growth rate is not going away. There's nothing to suggest that the progressive development of new gene therapy drugs is going to be reduced. If anything, the COVID situation actually demonstrated with the development of the fast and absolutely record-breaking development of mRNA vaccines, for example, demonstrates how this technology -- this pharmaceutical technology is ideally suited to respond to this. So the COVID demand became a wave over and above that underlying organic growth rate of the biopharm sector. And as we keep pointing out, all the other process industries that Watson-Marlow supports have also continued to grow above -- strongly above IP on a continuous basis, and we don't see that going away either. So when you take that underlying growth that is still there. When you see that this biopharm wave actually is not going to be so much of a wave, because if you go back, now we're seeing not only the vaccines, but the boosters have become a norm and there's talk of that becoming a recurring event that kind of, so we think that the fall-off of the demand specifically relative to biopharm, it will occur, but it's not going to be a cliff edge. And -- but underneath that, you've got that consistent growth of the underlying biopharm technology and the process industry. So all of that gives us confidence that whilst order intake year-on-year may diminish a bit, because obviously you're off a very high point, but the underlying service rate because of the order book, the way that translates into sales growth, we see that continuing at the levels we've talked about already. Andy? We'll do an alphabetical order.

Andrew Douglas

analyst
#14

It's Andrew Douglas from Jefferies. Three nice quick questions, please. Just a follow-up for Andy's question on energy prices. Am I right in thinking that your customers typically have more exposure to kind of gas price inflation than electricity, i.e., when gas prices go, then that's when you get your big kick in demand, I think? If you look historically, there's been a slightly bigger correlation there between U.S. growth.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#15

Yes, the answer is correct. The main energy source for raising steam continues to be gas for now, right? But that is true, yes.

Andrew Douglas

analyst
#16

Yes. And then secondly, just 2 questions on ETS. The margin in North America, very strong 20%, kind of by definition it's not still great in Europe and elsewhere. Just wondering kind of what the update there is, please, and kind of what you're hopefully going to do about it over the next kind of couple of years. It feels like Europe has been a bit of challenge for quite a while now. And then last on ETS. From memory, 20% of the business was oil and gas when you bought it. I was just wondering, is that part of the order book growth that you've seen recently? Or has that kind of starts to come through yet? Or is that still pent-up demand?

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#17

Thank you, Andy. Very good questions. So look, we knew when we acquired Chromalox, and we were very open and transparent about it that Chromalox Europe was loss-making. And it was something that was -- it's also subscale. And so we knew that, that was going to be a challenge. And we predicted the need to make some significant investments to get it to profitability. And as we have been openly reporting to all of you, that's what we've been doing and that's what we're being working strongly, and we are making progress towards. Now inevitably, something -- sometimes despite all our efforts, progress isn't as quick as you would like. And that's basically what we are reporting here again, that we're making progress but in some areas. And as you make progress in some areas and exposed as other areas, that might not have been so visible or so apparent, and therefore, you start addressing all that. What I want to reassure you all is that, number one, the issues around the profitability of Chromalox in Europe is essentially driven by operational matters. And therefore, we know how to fix this, and we are working to fix all of those root causes. And we are making progress, okay? So whilst it's not evident yet in the margins because it inevitably is still loss-making and as we said in the RNS when you get the time to be able to read through it all and you'll see that we've been open there also to say that, for example, the success in the actions that we've taken to expand capacity as in Europe really came through, we ended 2020 with a limitation of shipments in the European operations. And this year, we've unlocked those. And in 2021, actually, the shipments from that plant in France went up by almost [ 3% ]. So we did manage to unlock the throughput. In fact, it has exposed other issues, and therefore, actually the losses went up instead of going down, okay? So it's still not profitable, and I emphasize the word still and I emphasize that these are operational issues, which we are addressing. So it's nothing to detract from actually the qualities and the opportunities of the business going forward. Now on the oil and gas element of your question, oil and gas is -- has a larger weighting in ETS than it has for the other businesses. It's insignificant, nonexistent for Watson-Marlow, and it's less than that number. I think from memory, and I might be wrong, from memory, I think it was less than 20% in ETS also in this 2022 year, okay? So I think it's fair to say that the weighting of the oil and gas sector has diminished inside of Chromalox since when we bought it. Now don't quote me on that, just I have to go back and check my data. So -- but I think it's not become a more important part for sure. okay? And that's because we are seeing really strong demand for the products or the technologies from all other sectors. And specifically now the most exciting part and really the biggest opportunity for this business, for this group going forward is this strong demand for decarbonization of industrial processes. As you said earlier, gas is still the main source of energy for raising steam. And every industrial process that you can mention uses steam in their industrial process to transfer energy into that industrial process to transform raw materials into products. Steam is still the most efficient way to transfer energy into industrial process -- transformation process, followed by electricity. But what we are seeing is not our pressure to de-steam. What we're seeing is the need to drive a replacement of the energy source. If you go back 100 years, it was coal, then it moved to oil. Today, it's primarily gas, all of which obviously carbon-emitting sources of energy. But the trend is to electrification. And that positions our group in an absolutely unique position of having the relations of the commercial direct contact of our direct sales force with all the users of steam and all the manufacturers of industrial boilers to the Steam Specialties business. And on the other hand, we've got the technology to Chromalox and ETS, particularly the medium voltage -- patented medium-voltage technology, which was one of the attractions that we saw when we acquired Chromalox 5 years ago. So we have the technology on the other side and the commercial relationships here. And I don't know of any other company in the world that is so ideally well positioned to be able to capitalize on this strong decarbonization trend. And that really excites us and we've got lots of exciting stuff that we've been testing and developing, and we think is going to be another strong string in our bow for many years to come.

Andrew Douglas

analyst
#18

So the recent oil price jump hasn't really driven increase in demand from the oil and gas sector yet, that's still to come. Is that fair or not?

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#19

So this is a different thing, right? So demand from oil and gas sector would be driven by 2 factors in respect of the business. Capital expansions of capacity, right, and then, obviously, maintenance of that. So it's less elastic in that point to changes in energy prices. I guess when you get higher energy prices, what it does is that they need to sweat their assets -- their customers need to sweat their assets even further because they're going to get more for whatever output they can get, and that stimulates them to put a bit more money into small improvements of the processes. But these are major industrial process. It's not easy to flex capacity, but it is to improve a bit of deficiencies and that kind of stuff and keep maintenance on the production. So it does generate some extra demand, but it's not as elastic as you would say to the changes of the price. Could you pass on to Robert? Yes.

Nimesh Patel

executive
#20

Just go hand the microphone over. Just 2 things. One as a proportion of sales, significantly lower in oil and gas than it was historically. And the second thing is looking at the growth, more of it coming from decarbonization, so supporting the price point.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#21

Robert?

Robert Davies

analyst
#22

It's Robert Davies from Morgan Stanley. The first one is just following up on the Watson-Marlow comments, but the process part of the business. Just be interested. Is it sort of your identified pool of customers that are adding those pumps into new applications? Are they kind of -- is it more that you're pushing to customers that had never bought that product before? Just be kind of interested what's driving the growth in the process part of the business and where is it strongest.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#23

Very good question. Thank you very much, Robert. Look -- and I'm glad that we can talk a bit about process industries in Watson-Marlow because biopharma is so important I think kind of overshadows anything else. And it's a real shame because Watson-Marlow is a fantastic business all around, so we do need to give that process industries a bit more visibility. Look, what has been driving the faster growth rate -- organic growth rate of Watson-Marlow in these process industries have been, one, geographic expansion. As we take our products and technologies from Watson-Marlow, leverage the global footprint that we have already through the steam business and continue to open up more and more direct sales offices of Watson-Marlow around the group, that's inevitable. So we're taking -- going further into other geographic expansions has been for the last 20 years or 30 years. One of the drivers of faster growth of Watson-Marlow. But the most important one for the process industries is really the displacement of other types of pumping technologies by our peristaltic pumps, right? So through our own internal research and development, we have, for the last 20 years, continued to expand the envelope of pressure, flow rates, chemical compatibility or stuff that you can be pumping. And that has allowed us to displace other types of positive displacement pumps. Our favorite example is the Qdos pump, which we developed specifically to displace the solenoid diaphragm pumps. So solenoid diaphragm pumps. And pump for pump -- actually, Qdos pump is more expensive, we're talking just to put it into perspective, something that's a pump that costs less than GBP 2,000 or around GBP 2,000, okay. So obviously, you've got a range of sizes, but we're not talking about massive capital investments. That's what I'm trying to say. But these pumps are a lot more efficient, a lot more energy saving for the customers, higher precision, multiple benefits. And therefore, we are displacing other pumping technologies and really gaining share from other pumping technologies. And that trend continues. And that's -- a lot of the research and development funds in Watson-Marlow are going into that kind of finding new applications and displacing other business. That's really an important one to call out. Thank you.

Robert Davies

analyst
#24

Sort of a follow-up on that, I guess, is you obviously mentioned that in the extra line in pharma plus the new facility in Massachusetts. Just be interested, given the growth in that business over the last 10 years, has it changed the regional footprint? Do you need to add additional manufacturing capacity or sales offices in new locations now? Are you kind of getting to critical mass in any new regions?

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#25

Well, yes, I mean the priority is the U.S.A. because the Americas today account for, rounding it, around 40% of sales for Watson-Marlow across all of the Americas. And Asia Pacific is around 20% or a bit less than 20%. So just rough numbers, we can give you the precise numbers later. But on that basis, the priority -- I think it was 96% of our manufacturing footprint for Watson-Marlow is in Europe, U.K. and half of European countries. So that's why the priority is in the U.S. to rebalance that demand and supply equation within our footprint. And of course, the next step which we already got a project lineup, but we're holding back from starting because the priority is in the U.S.A. But shortly afterwards, we'll be launching manufacturing capacity in China, right? So that's going to be coming. So -- but again, we're looking at where our footprint of sales is, where we see the demand rates, and we're looking to accelerate the matching of those -- of that so that we can, as I said earlier, continue to support the growing demand of our customers.

Robert Davies

analyst
#26

And then the final one, maybe a little bit unfair. But just in terms of the -- I know you've put quite a lot in your last few slide decks around ESG. And it was one of the things that you mentioned in terms of the incremental step-up in 2021. So I just -- is there any way of giving us a breakdown in that 200 basis points of incremental investment, how much is from new capacity or expanding the line versus -- I guess, I'm trying to get a sense of have you costed the additional expenditure to meet all these new ESG targets? Do you have any idea of a 5-year or 10-year view of what the total cumulative cost for Spirax is going to be?

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#27

Yes, of course, we have an idea, but I'm not going to reveal it here. But good try, anyway, Robert. Now jokes aside, yes, of course, we have costed the more obvious ones. And that is factored into our projections of margin progression, okay, without getting into the specifics of how much for this or for how much for that. I think the important thing for you guys is that we haven't just made a grandiose statement and haven't thought through what the impact of that is to our business. In fact, I would say, not only from a capital investment point of view but also from an operating cost point of view, because as all of you will know, decarbonizing and the process to replacing a fossil fuel with electricity, for example, comes with a higher price tag. It varies around the world, but the cost of a kilowatt of energy coming from electricity is about 5x the cost of that same kilowatt coming from gas. So us and everybody else in the world, as we speak about decarbonizing, we have to realize that, at the moment, it means your operating costs are going to go up. Now we got a very clear picture of that. As I've said earlier, we've got very good internal, well-embedded and robustly managed cost management processes, and so then we keep making sure that we protect our margins. But it does mean that you've got to stay on top of it also from an operational cost point of view and, of course, the investments. But I'll be open and say we know what we're going to get to. Can I tell you how much it's going to cost us by the end of the day? No. I don't think anybody does because there's elements of technology that we're still going to be required to development. Yes, there's so many variables. What we have done is we've made a very clear commitment and we're very energized, and we are -- and let me just remind you, we've been working on environmental sustainability long before it became fashionable, okay? So this is embedded in our culture. This is embedded in our purpose, and we are absolutely resolute to want to be a leader in industrial ESG matters. So we're clear on the path. We're setting ourselves very challenging targets and milestones, and we will be making the required investments and adjusting ourselves as we go ahead. But it will -- but it's difficult to quantify the full impact of this because there's a lot of unknown than known. Sorry, we have -- Jonathan, the second -- following, you've been putting your hand up.

William Turner

analyst
#28

It's Will Turner from Goldman Sachs. So I just wanted to go back to kind of like Andrew's questions on ETS, mainly because when you're comparing it to Steam Specialties and Watson-Marlow, which are all performing great as they have been for many years and it's still relatively new to the portfolio of businesses, what do you think it's really going to take to improve the European operations? Because it feels like, just backing out the numbers or the commentary you've given for Thermocoax and the Americas business, they're performing okay. Not maybe outstanding like the other 2 divisions, and that Europe is being the drag. So where are we in terms of that kind of restructuring? And does it require us to make a little bit more kind of significant, like maybe a new facility? Just like looking at the math that you show of its operations, it's only really operational in France and Germany and Spain -- throughout Spain. So does it need a lot more capacity in order to get rid of these kind of operational issues?

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#29

Okay. Well, Will, thank you very much for your question. And sorry, I forgot to pass the microphone back to you earlier, you've been putting your hand up earlier. We'll come back to you, Jonathan, after. Look, there was a part of your question, which I wasn't quite sure. If you reverse-engineered the numbers and concluded that Thermocoax is doing okay, is that what you said?

William Turner

analyst
#30

If you like, reverse-engineered numbers, it feels like still the significant amount of weakness in the division is coming from the Chromalox Europe...

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#31

Yes, that's absolutely correct. In fact, I said already, it's loss-making, have been since before we bought it 5 years ago, and it's still loss-making, okay? So we've always been open about that. The Chromalox Americas and Thermocoax, in particular, which is also based in Europe mostly, are doing fantastic. And Thermocoax, in fact, is the highest margin part of the group in the mid-20s of profitability, okay? So -- and growing and all the rest of it. So the problem is essentially the Chromalox European operations, which are loss-making. Now you will appreciate that I'm not going to stand here and tell you what exactly are the actions that we will be taking, but I am reassuring you all that we are taking them and that we have made progress on many of those actions already. But we're not there yet, but we're absolutely resolute in our measure. And you will see those improvements come through, but we only like to talk about things that we have already done and not what we will be doing, especially on sensitive matters of this nature. Is that fair?

Nimesh Patel

executive
#32

Can I just add. Those people who may not have run the numbers yet. If you look at ETS, about 1/4 of ETS is Thermocoax, where Nick's already said, we have attractive margins well into the 20s, 3/4 is from Chromalox. But within Chromalox, 3/4 of the business, as Nick and I both said, comes from Chromalox Americas where we also have margins in excess of 20%. So the bit of the business we're talking about is a relatively small bit of the business, just to help provide some context.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#33

Yes. And the Asia Pacific part of Chromalox, which is even smaller, is profitable. Obviously, not as possible as the Americas because of scale and that kind of stuff. So it is really down to operational issues. But this is what we do, okay? Let me just -- because I don't -- I can't really get into specifics, you'll appreciate that, but good try anyway. But the point is, these are operational issues. This is what we do. We improve operational performance of our businesses everywhere. And I think you can look at the history of this company, and you'll see that track record there. So we're not applying anything different to what we've already applied to ourselves over decades, and we know exactly what we need to do. It just sometimes, it doesn't happen as quickly as we would all like to have. But we're on the track, and we don't lose sleep about it because we know we're going to get there. It can be frustrating at times by the pace of improvement, but that's a different story, not to be distracted from the big picture, which is this is a great business, there's a part of it that needs to be fixed and we're fixing it.

William Turner

analyst
#34

Great. And then a handful of other questions. First one is obviously, you're finishing the year in a record order book. There's a lot of industrial companies who are also finishing 2021 on a record order book. Do you think any of this has something to do with maybe pre-buying amongst, more generally, due to supply chain disruptions or potentially in anticipation of future price increases? As I can imagine, you probably did a number of price increases throughout the year and have intention to do so in 2022. Do you think that's an element of demand that might reverse? I know this is more a general question rather than specific.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#35

Good question, Will. Thank you very much. Look, prebuying, maybe customers sometimes do that, okay? Sometimes they do that. And I think in some specific sectors, particularly biopharm, we saw even in the fourth quarter of 2020 when it really started taking off as a result of the vaccine development, you could see customers just ordering because they could see a lot of demand and they were worried of not having enough to be able to breathe. So in some specific areas, you can see that demand-driven anticipation and trying to be -- but other than that, I can't really identify materially any other part. In terms of price increases, obviously, everybody knows that inflation is on the rise. And so with natural -- and that we put prices up every year to match the inflation of our costs. And therefore, customers can sometimes try to pre-buy, but we were obviously open to that. And we had some cases, which I won't state, but customers trying to place orders at the end of last year ahead of the price increases, which obviously we didn't let them do it. I'll take your order, but not this year. But if you're ordering now for next year, you're going to get into next year's prices and that kind of thing. So we're on top of those kind of things. But other than in the biopharma sector, I wouldn't really say it's about prebuying materially. There is nervousness about supply chains. And so you've got points where sometimes people say, well, disorder, but it's not going to be material. I think the record order books are coming from a reverse trend in terms of demand. I went through 2020 with declining demand of the world, I'm talking about not only ourselves, declining demand, lots of uncertainty. And suddenly, you go into 2021 with, oh, the worst is behind us. And actually, demand starts coming back strongly and demand. And therefore, then there's that kind of change gears, and we're going to step ahead and that acceleration to try to get ahead, especially for those companies, which was in our case, that stopped investments, that stopped all sorts of things because they were worried of how bad it was going to get during the pandemic. And then suddenly, they've got a lot more to respond to that kind of stuff and some change in consumer patterns, which we've all had during the pandemic. So I think that's what's really driving the record demand.

William Turner

analyst
#36

Yes, I understand. And then final question, it's kind of a bit of a housekeeping. With regards to Russia and Ukraine, I can imagine they're relatively insignificant direct exposures. But could you just clarify both kind of your direct exposures and any kind of indirect exposures. For example, is there any kind of component or commodities that you source those...

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#37

Yes. No, good question. So as I said before, direct in-market sales through our 2 operating companies, Watson-Marlow and Spirax Sarco sales companies, amounted to around 1% or less. So not materially for the business. We have no manufacturing in Russia. So we only -- our sales companies there will be importing and reselling domestically products manufactured outside of Russia. And we have no domestic supplier, no Russian supplier. So in terms of risks, which is a good question to our supply chain by a supplier in a restricted area now, no, we don't have anything that you derive with somebody. But no, it's not come up on. So we're not worried about that, okay? Indirect is less than the direct. So yes, you sometimes have some customers. It might be a contractor building a new plant inside of Russia or an equipment manufacturer that's shipping up his equipment into some plants in Russia and we -- but it's a customer outside of Russia, and therefore, you supply to that customer who then puts his products into -- our products into his product and ships them into the end destination market. Those indirect, which is not always very visible for us, but as best as we can see, is even less than the 1% of our direct presence. So I think that answers the question. I think it's time to pass the microphone to Jonathan here. Sorry, Jonathan.

Jonathan Hurn

analyst
#38

It's Jonathan from Barclays. I just have 3 questions. Firstly, can I just come on to labor, please? Obviously, specialized sales force is pretty key to obviously the growth strategy now and going forward. What are you seeing in times of labor right now? Is it quite difficult to hire additional salespeople? That was the first one.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#39

The difficulty for us isn't materially different to what it's always been. We look for a very specific set of skills and values. We want people that will align with our culture and with our values. And we want -- we always say we recruit engineers that want to be involved in sales and service. We don't recruit the sales price and then they're going to train them on the engineering side. So it's a very specific set of skills, and that means that we're very selective, and sometimes it takes a bit longer to find the right sets of people everywhere in the world. But it's no -- it hasn't become materially different. Actually, we've been encouraged by many people looking at our company and being attracted to come and work for us, and that's been helping us positively. So positively impacting us. So in terms of difficulty for recruitment, not so much. Where we've had some difficulties on the labor front is, for example, people getting pinged in the U.K. because either they've contracted COVID or they've been in touch with somebody, the kid brought it back from home and then the parents got it, so the parent then can't get into work, right, because it's self-isolate. All companies have had that. But when it happens inside of a manufacturing plant, then if you have too many cases in a specific area of that plant simultaneously, then that can create a bit of a constraint in that point here. But then the next week, it might be in a different part of the plant. So those are the things that have added to some challenge of our plant managers in managing the deployment of the workforce in order to keep the lights going at the pace that we need to support this record demand that we're getting from our customers. That is, I think, more of a challenging aspect.

Jonathan Hurn

analyst
#40

That's very clear. The second question is just coming back to Watson-Marlow and the capacity expansion that it's going to come through in the U.S., obviously, in the second half of this year. Can you just give us roughly of your incremental revenue opportunity that could come from this capacity that you're actually going to bring online at the end of '22, please?

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#41

Yes. Thank you. Look, just to be clear, we don't get more demand because of the capacity. The capacity is driven to support that demand that we see coming, right? So what we're telling you is that, that demand has been exceptionally strong a little bit, as I said already, maybe of some customers that wanted to get in the queue to make sure that they've got enough demand -- supplies coming in 2021 and in 2022, and we have ordered a bit earlier, but a bit of that in biopharm. But ultimately, we do have, as I said earlier, an absolutely record order book. We operate -- usually, with low levels of order book on average, the group has always operated with around 7 weeks of sales in the order book. And today, we are at much higher levels. We don't disclose with much higher levels than that, especially in Watson-Marlow. So we factor into that where we see some capacity constraints, and it comes down. You take that massive demand, break it down by product into the specific plants that need to make that product, and you end up with some places, like I mentioned earlier, in BioPure having to grow 50% per annum. Now anybody that's been anywhere close to manufacturing, you will appreciate that increasing volume by 50% from 1 year to the next and doing that 3 years in a row is a lot of work. And so -- but we're making sure that we're putting the staff, the capacity, the machines, the supply chain, everything that you need so that we can support that demand. And our sales growth is guided on the basis of us opening up those -- where we've had those capacity constraints, with the investments that we've done and we continue to do, is debottlenecking those points in order to support the demand and making sure -- hopefully, a year from now, they're standing here saying, "We didn't have any shipments that didn't go out of the door when the customer wanted them because of supply chain constraints." That's what we're focused on. This is a long way to say, I'm not going to give you a number.

Jonathan Hurn

analyst
#42

Yes. Got it. Rough essence should be great.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#43

Yes. No, it would be. But thank you, Jonathan. What's the next one?

Jonathan Hurn

analyst
#44

Just last one, which is on, obviously, the balance sheet, net to EBITDA down to 0.35x. How do we think about that going forward? Obviously, you're getting closer to breakeven in terms of the debt position probably at the end of this year. Do we go back to special dividends potentially going forward on the balance sheet? Or do you just reinvest that back maybe into M&A or organically? How do we think of that balance sheet?

Nimesh Patel

executive
#45

Yes, I think it follows quite nicely from the conversations you just asked about capacity. Because one of the interesting things, just to build on what Nick said, is we thought about all of these investments and improved -- approved a large number of these investments before COVID even hit. And at that time, our anticipation was that, that would help us deliver against demand projections for a decade with expansion capacity. What's actually happened in the last few years, that time has just been shortened dramatically because of the explosive growth in demand. That's why it's so important for us to be ahead of the demand and the investments we make. So I think there is more CapEx that we will continue to put in to support the high growth across all of our businesses, but particularly Watson-Marlow. To the question that Andy asked before, has our view changed about the long run average CapEx spend in our business, which is typically between 4% and 6% of sales? Not really. But I think what we might see is that there are some years where we are above and some years where we are below. So to come back to the question you're asking now, absolutely, our intention is to continue to invest in our business because the returns on capital are so high when we do that, supported by the growth in demand we see and that we are confident in that outlook for our business. But our debt is coming down, and we are a highly cash-generative business. So where do we go from here? So after investing in ourselves, I think we also want to build more flexibility into our balance sheet not least because we continue to look at M&A opportunities, whilst we're predominantly an organic growth-focused company as we always have been. And we're not intending to do material M&A. We're not adding another division to our business. I think we've both been clear about that. Where we will look actively is whether there are bolt-on acquisitions in each of our different businesses that help accelerate the delivery of our strategy. And so we're going to actively look for those. And those things are outside of our control. Often the businesses we're buying are small, they might be privately owned. You can do all the work, but you can't force someone to sell. And we'll remain disciplined around value. So if after all of those things, we found that we do have excess balance sheet capacity, and we're not there yet, then of course, we would come back to thinking about whether we'd return and how we return that to shareholders. And we've done that in the past. We've got a track record of doing it, as you said. So it's something we do think about.

Nicholas Anderson

executive
#46

Thank you very much. Any other questions? Thank you. It looks like you're all fed up of listening to me. So thank you very much, everybody, for coming all the way here. It's lovely to be able to catch up with you all after 2 years of looking at either through a screen. I wish you all well, and stay safe. Thank you very much.

Nimesh Patel

executive
#47

Thank you.

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