Staffline Group PLC (OSU.F) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

April 8, 2025

Frankfurt Stock Exchange DE Industrials Professional Services earnings 41 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning, and welcome to the Staffline Group plc investor presentation. [Operator Instructions] Before we begin, I'd like to submit the following poll. And I'd now like to hand you over to Albert Ellis, CEO. Good morning, sir.

Albert George Ellis

executive
#2

Many thanks, and welcome, everybody. Thank you for giving up your time this morning to come to the investor results for 2024 for the Staffline Group. You've got myself, Albert Ellis, the Chief Executive Officer; and I'm joined by Daniel Quint, my Chief Financial Officer. So without further ado, let's go straight into the highlights. As you can see, the main point of this morning was to confirm the results of last year, which we pre-announced in the pre-close trading statement, highlighting that the business in terms of hours was up 10% in the year compared to the prior year. So a really strong performance in hours. And this has mainly driven the business. This was in the food distribution, essential logistics and food distribution networks, where we're providing mainly blue-collar labor. Interesting perm revenue was up too. And this is against the background of a very weak recruitment market. But once again, through a strategy that's been implemented to target perm revenue increases for where it's possible. I'm so pleased that we're able to lift perm by a double digit during the year. One of the metrics that we follow very closely is the conversion ratio, and this really demonstrates the efficiency of any recruiter and takes the percentage of operating profit as a percentage of gross profit and maps it against its peers. And we've risen by over 20% there to 14.3%, one of the best conversion ratios as a group that we've seen and we've reported in recent times. When we come on to the divisional businesses, I'll go through their individual ratios, which are absolutely stunning. Share buybacks, we've been active in the market. We bought back almost 1/5 of our equity over the last just 2 years at an average price of GBP 32. This activity has been from trading cash flow. Net cash at the end of the year, Daniel will go into that in his section, and he will also talk about some of the details with the disposal of of PeoplePlus which we, as a Board, after strategic review, deemed it to be non-core as its training and employability to recruitment, and we disposed it with GBP 12 million, and you would have seen that announcement a couple of months ago, if you were watching. So with that, over to Daniel. Well, just before we go over to Daniel, I was going to go through -- for those of you that don't know us, just a quick snapshot of the Group. You can see we've got Staffline, and this is after the disposal of PeoplePlus. You've got Staffline GB, which is England, Wales and Scotland. And then it's just under GBP 900 million. You've got Staffline Ireland, which is the Island of Ireland, both Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, and that's just a little over GBP 100 million in revenue. And there's some of the sort of key clients, and I'll talk about those in the section on recruitment, but some really top brands and customers that we have in the Group, which we're very proud of. And as you can see on the left-hand side, the scale and reach of the group is quite phenomenal right across the -- with 40,000 temp workers at our peak and on over 400 customer sites. So the scale and reach of the business is really a key differentiator. Daniel?

Daniel Quint

executive
#3

Thank you, Albert. Good morning, everyone. Very good to be presenting to you today in what is, of course, very interesting times running a business in the current economic climate. But we stand, we sit here today, with a business that, as Albert alluded to earlier, has been developed over the last few years with a really strong strategy of getting close to our customers and supporting them through a good time, but also challenging times. And hence, we have the results that we have today for FY '24. Very pleased to report revenue, up 14% to GBP 992.9 million. That's partly as a result of an increase in the national living wage, but very much driven by the growth that we've seen, organic growth in our key food and logistics customers. And the real sign of that is our fees. Gross profit, up 10.3% across the recruitment businesses, which, of course, when benchmarking across the rest of the recruitment sector is helped by the fact that we are a 90% plus temporary worker model business. I think the perm businesses have been a bit challenged in 2024 versus 2023. Although, as Albert already mentioned, our perm is actually up 17%, a real laser focus on taking on some really good permanent contracts in both GB and Ireland. And all of those things, the temporary working model, the laser focus on winning really great permanent activity work has driven that gross profit up 10.3%. And then the final cog in the wheel is an absolute really drilled attention to cost control, and that's enabled underlying operating profit to increase 40.3% from GBP 7.2 million to GBP 10.1 million, driven, as Albert alluded to earlier, by that conversion, as you can see in the bottom end of that graph, conversion improving across the group from 11.2% to 14.3%. These numbers provide the group with a great platform for 2025, not ignoring the fact that 2025, of course, has just seen the increase in employees national insurance and the current economic reality around tariffs, but this group is really well prepared with really solid foundations. And that takes me on to the next slide, which is regarding the financing. So in FY '24, we saw net finance charges increased by GBP 1.2 million to GBP 4.9, that was partly driven from 2 things. Firstly, the slightly higher for longer interest rates than we were originally expecting, but more predominantly driven by our growth, but the great underlying operating profit growth on the previous slide more than accounted to that increase in finance charges. And of course, we have already seen 3 interest rates reduction since August last year and possibly some more during this year, which we'll see. Regarding cash, a great result at the end of the year, GBP 9.6 million of cash, up GBP 5.8 million on the prior year. And from a financing headroom, we ended the year with over GBP 75 million worth of financing headroom. This was a business that used to have GBP 100 million of net debt 5 years ago. We now have nearly GBP 10 million of cash, net cash at the end of the year and over GBP 75 million of financing headroom and something that we're really proud of. And I'd like to comment at this stage, not just in terms of the training performance of our management teams, the senior teams and throughout the organization, but also the finance team to be able to deliver these numbers a really important contribution. And finally on this slide, the covenant analysis leverage low, I would say, 0.4x EBITDA and interest rate cover nearly 88x. And finally, as Albert mentioned earlier on, I'm just going to take a little -- a moment to just present the detail on the disposal for GBP 12 million of PeoplePlus. And before I do that detail, there's a summary on this page is that the financing landscape that Staffline has now created for itself does leave us with opportunity for investment in organic growth, notwithstanding the challenging economic environment, we want to take opportunities where maybe others may not be able to deliver some of trading contracts, we can do that, and we look for those opportunities from an organic perspective. And this balance sheet and financing landscape will help us do that. So just some of the key characteristics of the PeoplePlus transaction. Cash consideration of GBP 12 million, which includes GBP 2 million of deferred. Those were an offset for advanced payments received in respect to future revenue of GBP 5.1 million, so net consideration of GBP 6.9 million, and that delivers -- generates for us cash proceeds, which we will use to fund share buybacks, which we already announced on the February 25, we announced a GBP 7.5 million share buyback as well as the direction of travel I've already spoken about, which is working capital for organic growth and we'll be able to really deliver for customers, both old and new on helping them to navigate the current environment. And finally, from me, just to show you the key components of the cash movement over the year is presented on a pre-IFRS 16 basis. The headline from this is that we actually generated in year GBP 10.2 million, which enabled us to buy -- to do own share purchases of mostly share buybacks, some EBT purchases of GBP 4.4 million. The key elements of that cash driver, the strong trading cash flow, as you can see there. And then the really strong tight working capital management, which generated an inflow of GBP 4 million. So some tight cost control, some tight balance sheet control, underpinned by really strong performing business in 2024 leaves us with strong position from which to support our customers in navigating the current environment. And I'll hand back to Albert to take us through...

Albert George Ellis

executive
#4

Thank you, Daniel. Just before I start on the strategy, which has actually now crystallized into a very simple proposition and simplicity is actually in markets that we're facing at the moment really important. I just wanted to paint a little bit of a picture of the background under which we're operating. As you all well know, the tax increases in the October '24 budget delivered by the Chancellor last year, included increases in national insurance for the employers, both on thresholds and on absolute cost of the payroll. So that is a significant uplift, probably a little bit more than is expected. The business, by and large, we have made some representations to government on how damaging this could be for jobs. But what we found is that we're working with our partners and our customers in a strategic relationship to ensure that we can absorb, between us, some of the costs, but also the pain and then share some of the gain by -- through volume increases and by expanding our market share. So we're taking these challenges head on, and we are using our strategy as a market leader to benefit the company and, of course, our customers. There's also been obviously the current market uncertainty that we've seen at the moment. And of course, the recruitment market in general has been quite subdued. We believe the answer to this is about market leadership with laser sharp focus and also making sure that you've got your costs under control, and I'll talk about that a little bit later. But the first point of our strategy is to capitalize and make sure that we continue to march forward as a strong deliverer of blue collar in the GB market and the Ireland market, where we are actually the #1 by some margin and we leverage our scale and reach. That is our single largest competitive advantage. But we've also been broadening the portfolio. We did state 5 years ago when we, Daniel and I first were at the helm of Staffline that we intend to increase permanent recruitment, the entire margin and cash generative. We were very keen to see the proportion of permanent recruitment improve. And indeed, over the years, the businesses have done fantastically well to focus and change their mix of services towards permanent fees, not abandoning temp, but towards more permanent, and experiencing the benefits of high-margin cash generative. Of course, this is just a cyclical thing, and we'll see permanent recruitment come back quite strongly in the recovery. But for now, we're very pleased with our 17% uplift. Then you've got the Republic of Ireland, which is obviously part of the Eurozone. We feel this is a very important market. The Irish budget, the state budget is actually a surplus, and we're seeing demand there and we've been growing over the years, we'll continue to invest in our fee earning capacity there. We're targeting large contract wins and the most recent of which was the police force -- police service of the Republic of Ireland, the An Garda. And we're supporting the police force there with support and high-quality back-office staff. Finally, cash is king, particularly at these times, and we're underpinning all our organic growth with strong trading cash flow. And this is improving our balance sheet, particularly with the disposal of PeoplePlus, and we're increasing our share -- our returns to shareholders. So in a nutshell, our vision is to be a world-class focused pure play recruiter with a clear market leader and trusted partnered to our customers, always known for our excellent service and of course, adding the best-in-class governance that we can. So looking more closely now at the Recruitment GB results. I mean these are absolutely stunning results and credit to the team, Frank Atkinson and his very able team. They've done an absolutely amazing job in a challenging market. I mean, to drive hours up 10%, revenue slightly more than that. There's a little bit of inflation there from the minimum wage uplift for the year, but actually, 10% uplift from the previous year is a stunning result. And actually, this has been achieved mainly in the food distribution and logistics sectors. And they've had a continued focus on efficiency savings, not letting up the sharp focus on costs across the business. And this is reflected in overall overheads being held back as gross profit has increased. I mean the flow-through to profit is stunning. I mean, that's a very high percentage for any recruiter to get in a good market let alone the market that we're in today. Now we've also had a reasonably good peak, Christmas and Black Friday, very, very strong trading. Our key customers, as I'll talk to in a minute, have all posted some good results over the Christmas period. But there you go with the perm fees, again, driven by the GFRS contract, which is a managed service, very innovative and just shows that you can find perm fees even in difficult recruitment markets. Once again, this result has benefited from the scale, the focus on delivery excellence without which we wouldn't have any customers. And of course, there's been a flight to quality in the last few years, which we benefited from. Now talking a little bit more about these customers. I mean if you look at Tesco's, for example, we've increased our market share in all of these customers in Tesco. Particularly, we increased our market share through acquiring new depots from competitors and successfully demonstrating that we can deliver into those new depots at scale and manage transitions. GXO has been a tremendous partner for us. And we've seen that they've benefited from the trend third-party outsourcing, both the Sainsbury's and other companies, and we've helped and supported GXO with their labor requirements. So these are 2 specific brands where we've expanded our market share through excellence in delivery. And then you've got Morrisons over there where at the beginning of the year, we announced in 2024 that we had secured a sole suppliership, and we're delighted that, that relationship is going as well as it has. We've also got Wincanton that's GXO's acquisition of Wincanton, where we do support the team there, and we obviously staying ready to support the combined entity as and when the Competition and Markets Authority sign that off. So in summary, our market share of our top 20 customers improved by 27%. At the half year, that was 17%. So as you can see, we gathered momentum into the second half, which has continued into 2025. There's your hours graph, and I talked about the 10% increase. This is the key metric that drives our profitability. And you can see it accelerates through the second quarter, the gap gets bigger through the third quarter, and we end the year on a high there on weekly hours. So a really strong performance by the team, and congratulations to them. Moving on to Ireland. And this is also a slightly smaller business, perfectly formed and team at Mackenzie and our team have done an absolutely fantastic job lifting profits in a year where all recruiters posted declines in multiple profit warnings, lifted profit by GBP 1 million to GBP 2.8 million and grew gross profit by 14.6%. I mean, this business is far more white collar than blue collar. Ireland doesn't have volume and scale. Population is slight -- is much smaller than the Mainland. And so we're focusing on white collar recruitment there and HR Consulting, as I'll come on to talk about. So if you look at the revenue, just to give you an explanation on that being similar to the prior year, that's because, in the temporary market, it hasn't really been very strong. It's been flat for the year, and we've not seen much growth. And as I've said, there's been some headwinds on the temporary side, and the team has been focused on white collar recruitment and in particular, where they've been able to provide some stunning HR consulting, which has boosted gross margins. And so that, in particular, along with all the permanent recruitment that they've won, has boosted their gross profit by double digits. And you can see permanent fees up 38% last year. And you're not talking about a small business in the sense that it's not a market leader, it's a small business compared to GB, but actually, in the Island of Ireland, our Irish business is the market leader in Northern Ireland and is fast catching the market leaders in the Republic. So a large brand to be reckoned in Ireland. Operating profit benefited from a tough control of costs, excellent profit conversion, both in Ireland and in GB, both touching 20%. I mean, those are absolutely stunning results. If you compare them right across the improvement market, you won't see anything like that. And then finally, just a little note on the services of the Republic of Ireland where we've secured sole suppliership of their back office and their support staff recruitment. That's been mobilized. It's obviously cost us quite a bit of upfront mobilization costs and investment. And we're now starting to see the flow -- steady flow of requirements, which is good to see. Daniel?

Daniel Quint

executive
#5

Thank you, Albert. So I just wanted to make some comments on [indiscernible]. This Group sees a very, very important position from delivery both to workers in the -- across GB and Ireland as well as to the communities that our workers are in, in terms of its contribution to the ESG agenda and the ESG values that the Group excels in, and there's a few of those. And some of these stats really represent those values that are very important to us. Of course, the core one is helping people into work. And as you can see, we helped over 98,000 people into work. Secondly, helping unemployed people into work Additionally, of course, addressing our carbon emissions. Like any business, we see a very, very important contribution to society and ensuring that we are operating in an environmentally efficient and focused manner, and therefore, we saw CO2 emissions decline year-over-year by over 54%. Additionally, and I do want to mention this openly that having divested of PeoplePlus we actually are continuing our strategic commercial relationship with PeoplePlus, and therefore, the Education in prisons and our relationships with PeoplePlus will allow us to support them in helping workers get jobs after they come out of prison, and that is very, very important to the group as we move forward, having divested with PeoplePlus in February. So all these things are very, very important for the group in ensuring that we are delivering value for shareholders, but as well as that, contributing to the values that our stakeholders or other stakeholders employees, and suppliers, our customers and general society see is important regarding ESG, and we'll continue to drive that forward over the coming period. And just hand back to Albert now to summarize the presentation, and then we'll move to Q&A after that.

Albert George Ellis

executive
#6

Thank you, Daniel. Daniel makes a very good point about PeoplePlus and the relationship. We divested in PeoplePlus because it was noncore for us. We found a very, very good parent, a high-tech company that's got all the sort of positives that Staffline has, but additionally, is years ahead in artificial intelligence, company called swipejobs. And we've got a tremendous relationship both with the owners and the leadership there. And indeed, we're continuing with the strategic partnership that gave so much benefits to us and for us to them over the years. So we continue that strategic partnership. As Daniel said, very important to us. We won't be owned by the same investors, but we will continue as fellow travelers in our journey, and we respect a lot of the people at PeoplePlus, and they will be supporting us, too. Onto the current trading and outlook, look, it's very, very simple. The current market conditions, as I alluded to in the top end of the presentation, are challenging. There's no doubt about it. That's been added to over the months, particularly with tariffs, but also mainly in the U.K. with the national insurance increases. And our focus is laser sharp on the blue collar recruitment area where we are providing essential workers in a tight labor market to customers that have large scale and/or dependence on those essential workers to move their goods and services around the country. And that includes driving, of course, HGV driving, and a host of other roles and labor. And so we exceeded expectations last year. The momentum was strong towards the end of the year. That continues into the first quarter. The first quarter has been in line and slightly ahead in many areas of budget. So we feel confident about the year ahead. And the scale and reach is what's going to help us face these headwinds. The investment of PeoplePlus is really important for our investors who recognize that possibly the business was noncore and it supported our transaction. And indeed, the balance sheet then benefits and also we've expanded our cash resources to now leverage and focus into the core market of recruitment. We do have ongoing demand for blue collar, but we also have demand for our technical expertise in our Omega brands, in our Datum brand, our IPO brand. There is ongoing demand, and we've seen some recovery in demand in those business look very, very, very early green shoots, but we've seen some recovery in that in this year. And then finally, just to restate it for the record, the Board is confident that trading will remain in line with expectations for the full year 2025. And our strategy is obviously to leverage our pure-play recruitment spaces with all of our customers and indeed our candidates as well in a tight labor market. So with that, happy to answer any questions. Thank you for listening. Thank you for being with us. We're available for a few minutes to answer questions.

Operator

operator
#7

Albert, Daniel, thank you very much for your presentation. [Operator Instructions] I'd like to remind you that a recording of this presentation, along with a copy of the slides and the published Q&A can be accessed via our investor dashboard. And Daniel, can I please ask you to read out the questions and give responses is very appropriate to do so, and I'll pick up from you at the end?

Daniel Quint

executive
#8

Great. Thank you very much. So first question is a question regarding the share price over the last 6 months, and what the strategy for the business going forward is in the context of that? Albert?

Albert George Ellis

executive
#9

Yes. Thank you, David. First of all, the share price has been obviously extremely strong relative to the sector. So I think in the year to date, this year, in 2025, we're well ahead of the sector and for the full year, we're well added the sector on almost any measure. So the set of price has been relatively strong. That reflects our focus on growth, and that is our primary focus is growth. Of course, growth has -- gives us wonderful choices like dividends or share buybacks, what type of returns. The Board has consulted widely with all of its shareholders, and we remain persuaded that share buybacks at this stage of the economic cycle is the most valuable way to reward shareholders. I mean it could provide liquidity for those who don't want to hold the shares and it provides reducing equity pool for those that do hold the shares and by definition, their ownership percentages increases. So I'm a big fan of share buybacks. We're buying our EBITDA back at ridiculously low levels at these times in the market. And of course, with interest rates high, that means your dividend percentage payout and return would be competing against a relatively risk-free deposit, fixed deposit or yields, which would be challenging. If it is the other way around and market prices were high and valuations elevated and interest rates very low, you might take a different view. But at this stage, we're persuaded that this is the best way to grow the value for shareholders, and we've focused on that.

Daniel Quint

executive
#10

Thank you, Albert. Our next question is regarding the proportionality of our automotive exposure. Do we have any contracts expiring next year? How do we see our automotive customers weathering the current hedges? Before I hand over to Albert to just discuss the automotive sector in general, I would say the proportionality is relatively small. We -- our majority exposure is to food, logistics et cetera. I'm not going to -- a specific percentage, but relatively small, but, Albert over to you to discuss.

Albert George Ellis

executive
#11

Yes. I mean we're also exposed to other sectors, being the market leader, you'd expect that. So aviation is another one, which has been very strong in the last 12 months. We've seen very, very satisfactory growth there. But in automotive, we announced a number of years ago -- a couple of years ago that we've secured the BMW contract, which includes Rolls-Royce in Goodwood and also the Mini in Cowley, Oxford, the Mini production facilities there, and also engines in the West Midlands. So we're also supporting Land Rover and Jaguar. And so we look -- we are conscious of the automotive sector and its challenges. And our view is that, that sector has been really affected by the transition to electric. And so there's been a bit of a slowdown and you would have read it in the papers, I'm sure, how that's -- customers buying and various challenges and headwinds in the slowdown. I mean the tariffs, obviously would cause that sector to have a rethink or to have some consternation, but we haven't, at this point, received any sort of -- any news that they would be negative in that sense. I mean, I think, these businesses have been around for over 100 years and they'll be able to work it out, I'm sure. I've got full confidence in them to do that. So there'd always be headwinds. In life now that's normal. And we've always got to just be positive and work out what the solution is.

Daniel Quint

executive
#12

Thank you, Albert. Next question is, with PeoplePlus now divested, how do you expect the pure-play recruitment platform strategy to impact operating margins and capital efficiency going forward? Again, I'm just going to make a comment before maybe just hand it over to Albert as well. So operating margin perspective, PeoplePlus was a higher gross profit margin business. But actually, from a capital efficiency perspective, PeoplePlus actually had a number of properties throughout the U.K. And we don't -- obviously, we don't have those anymore. And we operate largely our recruiting businesses on site. We have some branches as well, and a couple of head offices, but I see that as a very efficient way. Both Albert and I were just talking this morning about the efficiency of that model. So we're very pleased with the basis for going forward from an operating margin and efficiency perspective. Don't know if you have anything to add to that?

Albert George Ellis

executive
#13

Yes. I mean they both businesses, PeoplePlus and recruitment have an element of mobilization and upfront investment when they secure large contracts. So in that respect, very similar, but the recruitment business, as they grow, they tend to absorb capital. So you've got to really watch your debtor days, your risk on outstanding debtors. Those are the sorts of things that you're focused on with PeoplePlus. 90% plus of their revenues from government. So you tend to sort of -- your risk on recovery of outstanding debtors might be lower or remote, but you've got upfront mobilization costs in terms of CapEx and offices, as Daniel has just said. So slightly different models, but broadly similar in the way they pan out. But the only thing I would say is that in terms of efficiency, recruitment can be extremely efficient. If you are generating strong trading cash flows, as they grow, they spin off cash. Yes, you had -- there's a portion to be invested in the working capital, but we found over the years that we can do that and banks, in particular the banks that we partnered with are very happy provided we are hitting their metrics to advance debtor financing on those recruitment activities. They're eminently financeable. So recruitment businesses, if you get them right, can be very rewarding. They can also go wrong very quickly if you don't understand what you're doing. But essentially, it's a cash-generative business, it doesn't have high capital investment requirements and it's a sort of -- it's a business that requires a light touch, understanding people and ultimately servicing your customers because the barriers to entry are quite low. So it's about excellence in delivery.

Daniel Quint

executive
#14

Thank you, Albert. Our next question is about buybacks and EBT purchases, where we might consider reinstating dividends? I think I've really covered that in your answer to the first question. Next question, a multipart question, which I think I will take the first one. So please share with us comments that customers are saying about tariffs. Second part, EBIT increase that can be accepted from the -- expected from the Garda contract in Ireland in 2025 and the investment we made -- based on the investment made in FY '24. And then thirdly, a little bit more about the opportunity to invest in organic growth. So maybe, Albert, you'll take the tariffs and organic growth question and I'll take the...

Albert George Ellis

executive
#15

I'm not an expert in tariffs, so I won't go into detail there. But what I will say is that BMW, we know that BMW has some significant operations in the U.S. where they built many of their vehicles, particularly their SUVs, and they export them all over the world. They are present in almost every country. So in the sense that tariffs are a new challenge for them, I am sure, and we don't have any -- we don't know -- we don't sort of have any indication that they are panicking or that they feel that this is going to affect the business, they're all well ahead in terms of the electric vehicle offering, very, very attractive offering. And so they're weathering that transition, and you've only got to look at the Mini range to see how that is succeeding. So the headlines are the headlines, but in our experience, our customers know how to manage their businesses and headwinds. We do -- we are the largest supplier to the whiskey and drinks industry in Scotland. These sort of niche products, high-value products, they tend to be pricing elastic, and I will say the same for the high-end automotive sector, for example, BMW own Rolls-Royce, which is pretty pricing elastic for the types of consumers and customers that they are serving, not to say that prices are relevant, but they are at the very top end of the price and value scale. So yes, price can be quite inelastic in terms of the demand. And so we've got to put some confidence there. I mean, it's very interesting that in Ireland now the tariffs exceed for importing into the U.S., those that are in the mainland U.K. So there might be sort of near-shoring opportunities and some solutions that could -- that both countries, both Ireland and the U.K., could exploit in terms of making sure that they are getting the best value in terms of tariffs. So there's lots to think and talk about, but I'm not an expert, but all I can say is that our customers are keeping calm carrying on, and the main thing is to deliver great products and great services.

Daniel Quint

executive
#16

Thank you, Albert. Just to cover off the question in there around the Garda contract and the investment we put in, in FY '24, and the expected return in FY '25. So there's 2 ways to look at this. From a cash perspective, we did put the investments in, in FY '24, and then we will see numbers of hundreds of thousands of pounds of benefits of that in FY '25. From a P&L perspective, we did capitalize some of that investment on the balance sheet. So that will be coming through in amortization in FY '25, and therefore, there won't be as much of that incremental benefit from P&L perspective as we will see in cash. And there will be an absolutely numbers of hundred thousands pounds of cash delivery from the Garda contract. In FY '25, based on that investment in FY '24 as we've mentioned throughout FY '24, that contract was a bit delayed in this mobilization, and therefore, that's why we'll see the real flow through in cash in FY '25. Moving on to the next question, do we anticipate any major CapEx or investment requirements in the coming year? Just to highlight one item, very responsibly, we invested some CapEx in payroll and finance systems in '24, which will continue into the first half of '25. Beyond that, we don't see any particular capital investment needed. Very important, as you've seen over the last couple of years, we've seen significant growth, organic growth in our recruitment business, specifically in GB. And we want to make sure that from a scale perspective, a cyber control perspective that our systems are absolutely tiptop and ready to deliver the next stage of our growth which as Albert and I hopefully have communicated today, notwithstanding that the challenging wider economic environment, we believe that we can deliver for the Group for its shareholders and all other stakeholders. So hopefully, we should see the fruits of that investment over the coming years. Albert, would you like to just summarize and finish off?

Albert George Ellis

executive
#17

Yes. So thank you for those questions, everybody, really made us think with us think, keep us on our toes there. And hopefully, you've got the gist of the message and the detail on the results. As I said, if I can restate some of the positives we're a pure-play blue-collar and white-collar recruitment business. Now in my view, actually having a global business with small operations in many countries across the world will pose quite a challenge in the years to come. What I've always believed in is having market share as much as you can, acquiring or being the market leader in your market and having the advantages of scale and reach. I think subscale operations are going to be challenging to manage and be profitable, particularly with the current politics and geopolitical risk. And so therefore, I'm delighted that we've got this really strong footprint in the U.K. and the Island of Ireland, supporting and cross fertilizing all of the areas of the business and providing that reach and that scale for customers, which is really world-beating and world-class. So we're a highly cash-generative business. We'll continue to buy our shares in the market at these really good low-level value levels, and we will return cash to shareholders where appropriate. So a brighter outlook for us. We're very confident about our results for the next 12 months. They are in line with expectations currently. The first quarter has been slightly better than budget, in line with our management's expectations. And so we set fair, we're going to have our AGM in a few weeks, and we might be updating the market at that point. We'll see if there's anything that we can usefully saying. So with that, thank you very much.

Daniel Quint

executive
#18

Thank you very much.

Operator

operator
#19

Albert, Daniel, thank you for updating investors today. [Operator Instructions] On behalf of the management team of Staffline Group plc, we'd like to thank you for attending today's presentation, and good morning to you all.

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