Star Health and Allied Insurance Company Limited (STARHEALTH) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

January 29, 2026

NSEI IN Financials Insurance earnings 61 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning, and welcome to the Star Health and Allied Insurance Company Limited Q3 and 9M FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Ms. Devyanshi Dave from Adfactors PR, Investor Relations team. Thank you, and over to you, Ms. Devyanshi.

Devyanshi Dave

attendee
#2

Good morning, everyone. From the senior management, we have with us Mr. Anand Roy, Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Amitabh Jain, Chief Operating Officer; Mr. Himanshu Walia, Chief Marketing Officer; Mr. Nilesh Kambli, Chief Financial Officer; Mr. Aneesh Srivastava, Chief Investment Officer; Mr. Aditya Biyani, Chief Strategy and Investor Relations Officer; and Mr. Sombit Bhattacharyya, Head, Investor Relations. Before we begin the conference call, I would like to mention that some of the statements made during the course of today's call may be filed in our nature, including those related to the future financial and operational performances, benefits and synergies of the company's strategies, future opportunities and growth of the market of the company's services. Further, I would like to mention that some of the statements made in today's call may involve risks and uncertainties. Thank you, and over to you, Mr. Roy.

Anand Roy

executive
#3

Thank you very much, and a very good morning to all of you, and thank you for joining Star Health's earnings call for the third quarter FY '26. I know we are late in January, but I would take this opportunity to wish you and you loved ones a very happy New Year, '26. So let me send the context. India's insurance industry is moving beyond penetration catch-up zone to a phase of sustained compounding reinforcing its role in the core pillar of economic infrastructure. We welcome the recent Sabka Bima Sabki Raksha. That is the amendment of the insurance laws built 2025, and we believe it is a significant policy milestone towards further deepening of insurance penetration. The bill institutionalize this trust through the establishment of policyholder education and protection fund, strengthening the foundations for sustainable trust-led development. We believe that health insurance in India is entering a structurally advantaged phase with policy tailwinds and rising consumer intent, translating into sustained demand growth. Health insurance is already the largest and the fastest-growing segment within the non-life industry. Within this, retail health is the most consequential value pool. Voluntarily purchase by families across the country to protect their household balance sheets from medical shorts. IRDAI's annual report for FY '24, '25 reinforces this momentum with the lives covered under retail health has grown at 7.7% year-on-year versus 5.6% year-on-year in FY '23/'24. The number of lives covered exceeded INR 6 crores by March 31, 2025. So on the policy front, the recent landmark GST exemption on retail health has been a structural catalyst, lowering the all-in insurance cost for households. This is already visible in the category growth. While overall non-life insurance grew at 11.5% in quarter 3 FY '26, retail health insurance grew 33.6%. That is 3x more over the same period. Amidst this conducive backdrop, I think Star Health remains focused on maintaining its leadership in retail health and compounding a durable value accretive franchise anchored on our 4 pillars, which is a risk-based -- risk-first approach, a consistent focus on ROE, customer-centric execution and a digital first mindset. With this, let me come to the quarterly performance highlights of our company. Before I share the updates on our quarterly performance, I would just like to kindly remind you that we continue to take all our business and investment decisions based on the Ind AS accounting, which is aligned with the IFRS principles. IFRS is designed to capture the value creation over the policy lifetime. rather than a short-term accounting outcome, and we have been following the IFRS aligned reporting structure consistently. So now coming to the headline statements for quarter 3 FY '26. In quarter 3 FY '26, our top line, that is the GWP on end basis, increased by 23% year-on-year to INR 5,047 crores. We ensured full pass-on of GST benefits to our customers with very strong distribution alignment on the revised economics and absorption of the input tax credit impact. On the Ind AS PAT for the third quarter, increased from INR 87 crores for quarter 3 FY '25 to INR 449 crores for quarter 3 FY '26. We reported Ind As underwriting profit of INR 46 crores in quarter 3 FY '26 as compared to an underwriting loss of INR 79 crores in quarter 3 FY '25. This was driven by improvement in the combined ratio by almost 320 basis points from 102.1% in quarter 3 FY '25 to 98.9% in quarter 3 FY '26. As in the previous quarters, we have demonstrated loss ratio declined continuously in successive quarters with a 301 basis points decrease from 71.8% in quarter 3 FY '25 to 68.8% in quarter 3 FY '26. The retail loss ratios also have decreased by 103 basis points year-on-year to 68.4% in this quarter. Also, as in the previous quarters, our expense ratio declined further to -- by 16 basis points from 30.3% in the last year to 30.1% in quarter 3 FY '26. So the headline statements for 9 month FY '26, I would like to mention here. On a YTD basis, our top line, the GWP increased by 16% year-on-year to INR 13,856 crores. And our Ind AS PAT increased 87% year-on-year from INR 516 crores during 9 months FY '25 to INR 966 crores for 9 months FY '26. We reported Ind AS underwriting profit of INR 20 crores in 9 month FY '26 as compared to a loss of INR 227 crores in 9 month '25. This was driven by significant improvement in combined ratio by 222 basis points from 102.1% in 9 months FY '25 to 99.8% in our current 9-month FY '26. The improvement in combined ratio was driven as a mix of both expense and loss ratio. Our loss ratio has improved by 124 basis points to 70%, and our expense ratio also improved by close to 100 basis points to 29.8% for the 9-month period. Our PAT growth was driven by both operating profit and investment income. We registered an investment yield of 9.6% for 9 months FY '26, supported by a diversified profile of assets. As of 31st December 2025, 18.7% of our book was in high-yielding assets such as equities, ETFs, REITs and InvITs. We believe our quarter 3 and 9-month performance reflects our disciplined execution and the positive impact of the corrective actions that we have been taking, both on the underwriting and the claims management side. Now coming to the business details. Operationally, we continue to build a very diversified and granular retail franchise while maintaining the category leadership. Our market share in retail health segment was 31.3% for 9 months FY '26. As the market leader, we view insurance penetration augmentation as both an opportunity and a responsibility. Continuing with end basis on the business metrics during the quarter, our gross premium increased 23% year-on-year by fresh business growth of 45% and the renewal premium growth of 17%. On the 9-month basis, our GWP growth stood at 16% with fresh premium growing at 18% and renewal premium growing at 16%. We remain focused on certain deferred geographies, certain demographics and products and channels that maintain and meet our defined ROE thresholds. Our preferred segments are growing faster at 1.3x than the company's average on the overall fresh business. Coming to the details of our distribution channels, let me start with agency, which is the backbone of our business with 83% business contribution coming from our agency force. Our GWP and agency channel grew 19% year-on-year during 9 months FY '26. Our fresh business in agency channel grew 35% year-on-year in the 9-month basis. We registered an accelerated growth of almost more than 66% in quarter 3 of FY '26, which are supported by both a very robust 16% growth in fresh policies -- in the number of policies growth. So our granular market reach continues to convert consumer demand into growth with 60% fresh business emerging from semi-urban and rural markets. So Star Health is, as you know, very strong in the semi-urban and rural markets as well. And we continue to invest in the agency channel with overall agent count exceeding 8 lakh by December 31, 2025. Coming next to our Digital distribution channel, which continues to grow from [indiscernible]. Digital business is structurally our most profitable channel with digital D2C operating at industry-leading scale. In the terms of mix, 77% of our Digital business emanates from our in-house digital channel, D2C channel while the remaining business comes from our strong digital partners. Digital channel contributed 9% of our overall business and 20% of the fresh business for 9 months FY '26. Our GWP from digital channel grew 35% year-on-year basis for 9 months driven by a strong fresh premium growth of more than 46%. Coming next to our bancassurance channel. banca contributed 7% of our overall GWP and 5% growth on a year-on-year basis. We have deliberately upgraded the mix of our bancassurance products towards certain preferred products, which is now making almost 94% of our fresh premium contribution in 9 month FY '26, which used to be 766% in last year 9 months. We continue to expand our base of banca partnerships. We have added 6 new banker partners during the current fiscal. Our corrective action on certain loss-making accounts in this channel will fully reflect in our profitability during the coming quarters. On the corporate distribution, Corporate contributed 1% of our overall GWP, owing to a recalibrated channel strategy as we have articulated earlier. In this space, we are focusing on the higher quality SME segment with 73% of the Corporate business coming from the SME segment during this 9 months compared to 44% in the previous year. Our corporate group loss ratios have significantly improved from 94.6% in 9 months FY '25 to 83.5% in 9 months FY '26. This is a result of our recalculation on the group distribution, which we have mentioned before as well. So coming to the overall portfolio maintenance and calibration. We have implemented diligent measures towards qualitative recalibration of our portfolio and ensuring delivery of sustainable ROE outcomes. On a YTD basis, our retail to group business mix was 95:5 as against 91:9 for 9 months FY '25. So 95% of our business now comes from retail across all the channels mentioned earlier. Our claims ratio for the retail book declined further to 6.4% in 9 months FY '26 as a result of our targeted underwriting, pricing and associated corrective strategies being implemented since the last year. We continue to invest towards enhancement of our vigilance and reduction of FWA, which is fraud, waste and abuse as a core operational priority. Medical inflation in India continues to be at a very elevated levels. Various studies conducted by leading firms like Aon and Willis Tower Watson, expect medical inflation in India to be higher than 12% to 30% in 2026. Unless there is a structural cost moderation through government interventions, price increases by insurance companies would be essential to preserve sustainability. So Star Health's continues to serve our customers with utmost fairness with outcomes demonstrated in the consumer behavior. We have settled more than 2 million claims amounting to INR 8,900 crores during 9 months FY '26. These numbers will give you an idea about the operational rigor and the efficiencies of this organization. Our claim settlement ratio consolidated at 90% for 9 month FY '26. Our grievance ratios per 10,000 policies reduced from 22 in 9 months FY '25 to 20 for 9 months FY '26. Our renewal retention trends, which is also an indicator of the consumer satisfaction were robust during 9 months FY '26 with 99.2% persistency value-wise. Our claims NPS improved to 63 at December 2024. More importantly, our cash less claims and NPAs improved to 72 from 63 during the same period last year. So our cash is claims NPS coverable is the industry leading right now with 72 points. Our overall company-level NPS improved from 55 at December 24 to 64 at December 2025. This continued lift in persistency and NPS, coupled with the reduction in incidence of grievances are validated of improved customer experience and strengthens our results to compound this momentum with more disciplined execution. And coming finally to our digital initiatives on the both service side and the sales side, as you know, we have been making significant investments in technology. Probably we are the largest investor in technology in the health insurance business. So we are able to see deliver tangible progress on both productivity and service outcomes. Digital is now embedded across the value chain through our modernization of legacy platforms our workflow automation and enablement of multiple straight-through journeys at scale. Let me give you some numbers. Starting with the streamlining of acquisition. 94% of our new policies are now originating digitally. 76% of the premiums were collected through the digital route during the year. In quarter 3, our distribution which is Atom facilitated 85% of the fresh policy acquisitions, indicating very high digital adoption amongst our distribution partners as well. On the claims and wellness side, our AI-powered claims platform continues to scale and has now enabled migration of around 57% of our claims traffic translating to better productivity outcomes and also reduction in FWA. We expanded our home health care services to more than 300 locations from around 250 at the close of last quarter. Expansion of doctors and specialties has driven 73% growth in our telemedicine numbers, indicating strong adoption of our wellness initiatives by our consumers. On our customer app, we are happy to let you know that with the enhanced features and increased adoption, our customer add downloads have crossed 13 million by December '25 and our monthly active users have also scaled more than 1.5 million mark. So this is becoming more important in the way we are servicing our customers. We have observed that desirable levels of self-service adoption with 60,000-plus claims have been submitted on our customer app. There is an absolute digital experience on claim submission on the customer app, which is actually more than double of what we did last in the last year 9 months. And more than 3 lakh policies are renewed through the app now. So stitching together everything, as we enter into the last quarter of the current fiscal, our priorities remain very clear to deliver value-driven growth, disciplined underwriting, very strong fraud analytics, deeper partnership with our hospital partners and distributors and sharper customer engagement across the life cycle touch points. We remain steadfast in our mission to deliver responsible, resilient and customer-centric health insurance. I again thank you very much for your continued trust in Star Health. And with that, now we open the floor for Q&A. While before we go into Q&A, I would also like to take this opportunity to introduce Sombit, who has joined us as the Head of Investor Relations, and he'll be interacting with all of you. And I would like to also take this opportunity to thank Aditya who have been your face of the company, meeting all of you. He will continue to be with Star Health to play a very important role on the business side of things. All of us are always available to all of you for any questions you may have about the business. Thank you so much. Look forward to your questions.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Swarnabha Mukherjee from B&K Securities.

Swarnabha Mukherjee

analyst
#5

Congrats on a good set of numbers. I have three questions. First of all, I just wanted to understand the trajectory of earned premium growth because I think last year, from 3Q onwards, you had started increasing the price across products. And by Jan, you had repriced 65% of the portfolio. However, I think on an earned premium basis, the growth is still lower than what our top line growth is. So just wanted to understand when do we see that playing out that last year's price hike in the earned premium growth? So that's the first one. Second is on the fresh business growth and I think a commendable numbers, sir, I just wanted to understand the commissions for this fresh business, how it will be placed vis-a-vis renewal business? And if -- so what I also noticed is that net commissions have remained stable even despite the cash growth, but that has come off in the IFRS. So I just wanted to understand what how -- should I read this or whether we are doing lesser proportion of long-term products now if you go for some light. Thirdly, in terms of agency, I think, sir, you have mentioned that fresh grew -- am I audible?

Anand Roy

executive
#6

Yes, yes, please.

Swarnabha Mukherjee

analyst
#7

Okay. Yes. So in terms of agency, I think you have reported 6% fresh NOP growth while premium growth is 35%. So is this led by higher ticket sized products, what is happening if you can throw some light on this? Yes, these will be my question.

Anand Roy

executive
#8

Yes. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot for the question, and thanks for your good wishes. So see, the NEP growth is a factor of multiple things. One is on the group side, as you know, we have recalibrated our business strategy, and that is also reflecting on the NAV growth. On the retail side of things, while we are on a conservative 1/365 accounting, and as a result of which the NEP growth flows into the books over a period of time, but if you look at the way the growth is coming in terms of top line and also our renewal retention, NEP growth will improve in the coming quarters, and I'm sure that will be demonstrated. On the commission side, on fresh, we are paying commissions. Our long-term business has increased, and this is -- we have spoken in the past, customers are preferring long-term plans and which we are quite happy to offer. For the simple reason, it is a -- I believe, it's a win-win for all stakeholders. So commissions are paid to agents and distributors on long-term plans depending on certain business outcomes that they have to deliver. So as you have rightly mentioned, despite growth in business, significant growth in business, our net commissions have remained stable. And under the IFRS accounting, the deferred acquisition cost is not the main contributors, which helps us to achieve this. And finally, on the 6% NOP growth, I think we have been focusing on profitable growth, the growth with profit has been our agenda. Certain markets, we have taken some calibration. But this is on a YTD basis. If you look at our growth for quarter 3, it is significantly higher. So I think we will be we are delivering more than 16% growth in volume in quarter 3. So things are improving on the OP as well.

Swarnabha Mukherjee

analyst
#9

Okay. So very useful. Just one last follow-up. So in the presentation, the some assured number, which you have provided average some assured, last quarter, it was around 17 lakh. That has come down to 12 lakh for 9 months. This is because we are now excluding group from the calculation, that my understanding is correct?

Anand Roy

executive
#10

Yes, the group is excluded. Correct.

Operator

operator
#11

We have the next question from the line of Prayesh Jain from Motilal Oswal Financial Services Limited. Please go ahead.

Prayesh Jain

analyst
#12

Congrats on a great set of numbers. Firstly, on the loss ratio, how much of the improvement would you attribute to the fact that we have a very strong fresh growth and probably that kind of comes in the impact or probably the loss ratio on that kind of increases going ahead? But what I'm basically trying to figure out is how is the loss ratio panning out in the renewal book, whether what's the trajectory there because the fresh contribution has gone up and that could have played its part in reducing the loss ratio. So is the loss ratio kind of coming down also on the renewal book is my question.

Unknown Executive

executive
#13

Yes. Prayesh, yes, the impact of price changes last year is clearly showing, and we are seeing a reduction in the loss ratio of our renewal book as well. Of course, increasing the fresh will also have a role in terms of bringing down the loss ratio, but that will play out over a period of time because the fresh growth has gone up significantly in this quarter. So on the [indiscernible].

Prayesh Jain

analyst
#14

Got it. Could you give some numbers on your, say, a 3-year book loss ratio? Or what would be the 3-year loss ratio compared to, say, a year back and today?

Unknown Executive

executive
#15

Fresh, I think these things, we can have it offline. You can come and meet us.

Prayesh Jain

analyst
#16

Okay. Got that. Second question was attention to what Snam asked earlier on the commission bid. There is a stark improvement on the commission ratios. Given that the fresh growth was so strong, what really kind of played into it to bring down the commission ratios into that quantum?

Unknown Executive

executive
#17

So Prayesh, when you talk about commission ratio, what you are looking at IGAAP numbers, the gross commission [indiscernible]. So if you see quarter 2, it is 17.1%. For quarter 3 also is 17%. So it is consistent. The reductions that we had done on the senior citizen that is playing out, which is getting offset with the long-term business that we're writing. And long-term business, a large part of it still is on a one-by-one basis. So it doesn't impact the commission ratios.

Prayesh Jain

analyst
#18

Okay. Okay. And the last question is on again, on the regulations where now there is much discussion on commission [indiscernible] that commission capital brought down in the system. And the other part is the health care system, right? What are the developments on both the brands with respect to negotiations with hospitals or anything that you can share on what are the developments both on the commission front as well as what are the regulators taking about commission front as well as the health care regulator front?

Unknown Executive

executive
#19

Yes. So see, Prayesh, that's a good question. Both on the commission front and on the expenses of management. I think there is we expect that the regulator maybe reviewing this. This is what we have been also hearing we wait for some final clarity on that. But at a natural level, I think in the larger interest of the consumers, expenses of management have to be agreed to and we believe that it has to be implemented very, very strictly. This is something that is definitely desirable for the industry performance on a sustainable basis. So if any reduction in expense of management is articulated by the regulator, obviously, will be prepared for it. As far as the hospital negotiations are concerned, this is an ongoing process. We are seeing good interaction with hospitals with multiple partners like HBI and all of that. We are talking to all of them. We are meeting them. And we are also able to see some acceptance of -- from their side to find a solution, which is a win-win for all of us. And there is a lot of work going on at the GI Council level, as you know, in terms of common empanelment of hospitals and so on. So I think in the next few months and years, we should see some good movement in this area.

Operator

operator
#20

We have the next question from the line of Avinash Singh from Emkay Global.

Avinash Singh

analyst
#21

Good set of numbers. Anand question, I will stick to one, particularly on the claims ratio side. Certainly, there is improvement, if you see sequentially on a Y-o-Y basis. But if you look at more on a 9-month basis, and the retail claims ratio because a significant portion of improvement has come from group. Now on the retail side, I mean, versus 69.6% of last 9 months or to this 9 months, 69.4%, the improvement is there, but it's kind of a minimal and it is on the back of also the price hike have been taking a lot of remedial excess I would take in. So the question is that, okay, if I mean, we were to look say, over maybe 2, 3 years kind of a thing, where maybe a desirable number for you on the claims side would be even lower from here. So how do you see this panning out? I mean -- given that, I mean, the apparently medical inflation has started to get up or pull down in recent quarters. You have taken a price hike and remedy election yet in the retail and you also have a very impressive flex growth and overall growth. Yet -- so improvement over the 9 months Y-o-Y basis on retail side is still 20 basis points? So how do you see the journey over the next 2, 3 years? And where would you see or your desire to settle these claims is piece?

Anand Roy

executive
#22

Yes. Thanks, Avinash. So see, I think on the retail claim ratio, you have to -- I mean, obviously, you understand equally well. The price revisions that we have taken and all the underwriting changes that we have made, these things to flow into the loss ratio and earned premium takes 18 to 24 months. So we are still not even 12 months done. I think more importantly, you have to look at the quarter 3 claim ratio of retail. And if you see the trends of the quarter 3, there is 103 basis point improvement over last year. So on the trend side, we are seeing encouraging signs. But on the Y-o-Y, yes, the decrease may not be that sharp. But we believe that this will trend downwards going forward. Now as I told, we are not targeting any specific loss ratio as such. We are hoping to deliver a mid-teens ROE business. And that is what we are focusing on. And this will be a blend of both loss ratio and combined ratio. So the we are able to meet those objectives.

Operator

operator
#23

We have the next question from the line of Nitin Chawathe from Kotak.

Nischint Chawathe

analyst
#24

This is essentially on the acquisition ratio. This ratio has gone up to around 26.9% versus 23% in the second quarter or probably even 23% in the third quarter last year. So how should one think about this?

Anand Roy

executive
#25

So Nischint, on the IFRS side, the fresh growth that we had in the current quarter had some impact in terms of the tax ratio. So it will keep on normalizing as the growth come [indiscernible].

Nischint Chawathe

analyst
#26

So at a cohort level, has the acquisition expense ratio gone up?

Anand Roy

executive
#27

No, not really. But yes, I think the fresh cohort for this quarter will have a higher acquisition cost, which will pan out over a period of time.

Nischint Chawathe

analyst
#28

So that the market rate commissions would be higher.

Anand Roy

executive
#29

Correct. Should normalize.

Nischint Chawathe

analyst
#30

And in terms of GST impact?

Anand Roy

executive
#31

So as we have mentioned, we have passed on the GST to our intermediaries. There is no impact of GST in this. All the commissions that we have paid are inclusive of GST.

Operator

operator
#32

We have the next question from the line of Sanketh Godha from Avendus Park.

Sanketh Godha

analyst
#33

My first question is again on the loss ratio for the third quarter. See, we have a reserve release of INR 142 crores and that played a significant role for delta improvement in the loss ratio. If I ignore the reserve release, then your loss ratios probably are very similar to what you reported in second quarter. So just wanted to understand this release, how sustainable it is and from which product you have seen this release? And because the numbers the release clearly benefited on the loss ratio is my read. And the second question is that even if the improvement has happened in loss ratio, any role was played by the GST cut with respect to consumable on the bills, which I believe is around 20%, 25% as of every bill on an average? The GST cut of around 7% change had any additional benefit on the overall loss ratio, what you reported in the third quarter? That's my first question on loss issue.

Anand Roy

executive
#34

Yes. So Sanketh, the outstanding claims is the functions of the claims repaid during the period because 85% of the claims are cashless why the customer is discharged, the hospital payment happens with a lag of 1 month. So whatever we have paid in the current quarter is the claim outstanding as on 30th September. So whenever the claim ratio goes down, it's automatically the outsetting claims also goes down because the claim outstanding or the claims reported during the quarters are lower and has outstanding claim is lower and the pay for the last year. So there is no impact of the reserve release or the outstanding claims reduction on the loss ratio. In fact, we have been strengthening our IBNR quarter-on-quarter to take care of any volatility. On the side GST side.

Unknown Executive

executive
#35

On the GST side, we have seen some impact of that coming on the bills. But see the overall ratio of that vis-a-vis our overall spend on places is a very significant amount. I mean it will have some role in offsetting some of our other GST outlook in the areas where services, GST, et cetera, we'll have some extra costs. But to that extent, the loss ratio improvements are more structural in nature in terms of our pricing improvements, our continuous work on improving our loss cost in terms of managing our book better.

Sanketh Godha

analyst
#36

Understood. Maybe the part might be getting reflected in the OpEx side. So only on commissions was -- sorry, only on the claims, whether you had 20, 30 basis, 40-odd basis point positive above because of the GST benefit.

Unknown Executive

executive
#37

No, no, not because of GST.

Sanketh Godha

analyst
#38

Understood. Understood. And other two questions are basically, given your growth has been very strong in the new business. I just wanted to understand the color of the mix in the new business. How much it's long term compared to previous quarter or even maybe 3Q to 3Q and 9 months to 9 months? How much delta has been driven by increase in the contribution of long-term plans? That's one thing I wanted to understand. And second thing is on the investment book side, in the IFRS INR 413 crores of fair value change what you have reported, it is largely related to equity or it includes fair value change meaningfully coming from bonds too?

Unknown Executive

executive
#39

So let me answer the long-term proportion answer first. So we are definitely seeing an uptick in our long-term policies. Such policies are beneficial for both consumers and the company because the consumers are protected against the price hike for the tenure that they have opted for and there is continuity, which is intact and the health is secured. Additionally, we are able to lock in the customer early, especially at [indiscernible] stage where generally the tension at a better. Further, long-term policy also improve our capital efficiency as the customers pay upfront. So from a business standpoint, our approach is very clear. We go for businesses, which meets our ROE thresholds. Now coming to specific numbers of long-term policies. On the fresh side, it has contributed to about 23% versus 14% in terms of NOP. And in terms of GWP, it is at 51% versus 34% on a 9-month basis.

Sanketh Godha

analyst
#40

Sorry, can you repeat on WP basis?

Unknown Executive

executive
#41

On GWP basis, it is 51% versus 34% of 9 months last year.

Sanketh Godha

analyst
#42

Understood. Understood. And on the investment book side on IFRS 13 crores of valuations?

Unknown Executive

executive
#43

Yes, on at our fixed income book is held to maturity IFRS. Any change, any mark-to-market change in equities, REITs in which an AIF flows through profit and loss. But this is how the accounting of IFRS term.

Sanketh Godha

analyst
#44

So what you're trying to say the [indiscernible] [ 45 crores ] is only related to equity market, nothing to do with the bonds?

Unknown Executive

executive
#45

Equities, AF and REITs and REITs.

Sanketh Godha

analyst
#46

Understood. But the proxy equity to Okay. Understood. Understood.

Operator

operator
#47

We have the next question from the line of Shobhit Sharma from HDFC Securities Limited.

Shobhit Sharma

analyst
#48

My first question is on the GWP side. So if you can give some color around the RI acceptance, which we have done during the quarter. Is this -- does this relate to group business and if it potential group business, what kind of what is the nature of that business? Is this employer or nonemployed employee? Now second, coming to the commission as it has improved drastically if you look at. So what is driving that? Is this because of the first installment of the long-term premium which we have received it this year? Or is this something else? Because we have not written any kind of group business also major group business during the quarter. So I just want to understand that. On the expenses side, it seems to have elevated a lot during the quarter. So can you give some light on that? Because there is some impact on the labor code also there, and there seems to be some ESOPs, which has been accounted for. So if you can help us understand that. And lastly, on your Slide #13, you have mentioned number of claims, which has been paid during the first 9 months. If I compare that in the full FY '25 number of claims, that seems to be significantly lower, almost 50% of what you had paid in FY '25. So can you help us understand that as well? these are my questions.

Unknown Executive

executive
#49

So on the reinsurance invert side, for the quarter, the number reported is 22 lakhs. So we had some [indiscernible] in the last year. There is a some investment because this treaty will get over on 31st July. There is no new TP that is written, and it's hardly 22 lakh number that is got reported in the current quarter. In terms of labor code impact for the quarter, on-time impact for the quarter is INR 16.5 crores, which is reported in OpEx. And that's again, which is a 0.4 impact on the expense ratio for the quarter. In terms of number of claims reported in the investor PPT for 9 months, 9 months, it's a typo, I think it's only the IPD claims. So including OPT, we'll just revise it. It is higher for 9 months period while the last numbers are including OPD and [indiscernible].

Shobhit Sharma

analyst
#50

And what's the ESOP cost, which has been accounted during the quarter, sir? ESOP.

Unknown Executive

executive
#51

ESOP gets accounted under IFRS I guess there is. No impact of ESOP cost on IGAAP. It's always reporting only if you have issued the ESOP less than the market value, there is an impact in IGAAP numbers. We have not been doing that in the past. I think it's hardly again 5 to 10 legs when there was a timing difference. That impact is coming, but nothing substantial.

Shobhit Sharma

analyst
#52

On the claims ratio, like it has improved now on the retail side as well. So what kind of loss ratio if you look at on a sustainable basis would you be looking at? Would it be the mid-60s kind of a range? Or would it stay at the current levels only? I'm talking from a next 2, 3 years point of view, not on a short-term basis.

Anand Roy

executive
#53

So see, this is what we don't want to give any number and we guided for that. We are looking at running this business with a little combined ratio, which is viable and mid-teens ROE. That is our target that we are focusing on. To achieve that claim ratio and expense ratio both will play a role. So I don't want to give any number on that.

Operator

operator
#54

We have the next question from the line of Dipanjan Ghosh from Citigroup.

Dipanjan Ghosh

analyst
#55

Three questions from my side. First, in terms of -- obviously, you took the last round of price hikes or from October '24 to maybe March '25. Now we are almost 12 months down the road. So in terms of your incremental price hike strategy on the back book and what can we expect out there? Maybe the blended price hikes on claims versus nonclaims portion of the book that will even see a pricing? The second question is a data-keeping question in terms of your new business mix within the net earned premium, how would that look like from 3Q to 3Q or 9 months to 9 months? And third question is, we already take 12 months out in terms of repricing of FHO based on claim and nonclaim so just early indicators on persistency and claims ratio of the book?

Unknown Executive

executive
#56

So on pricing, we took up last year in Q4, and we will be following the annual price cycle as it is. As far as the cohort-based pricing approach that we took for FHO that has given us very good results. We are clearly seeing a good lift in terms of the nonpayments and the risk that healthy, giving us better retentions. So that's clearly playing out, and we will follow this approach going forward as well.

Anand Roy

executive
#57

In terms of new business and premium, the growth in business does not get detected in the premium maybe. So if we see it will gradually keep on growing the proportion is in the range of around 20% fresh NEP and 80% renewable NEP. And that ratio has been in a similar rate because whenever we take a price increase in annual business, that also leads to higher earned premium and renewal business. As long as it's a healthy mix and the loss issues are coming down, we are happy to manage the things.

Dipanjan Ghosh

analyst
#58

Got it. And sorry, just one follow-up. I mean, could you quantify the price hikes anticipated in this calendar year?

Unknown Executive

executive
#59

So Dipanjan, the guidance is that 10% senior citizen is a number that has been guided by the regulator. So you can assume that, that will be the number for almost all the products in that rate, maybe slightly higher or lower depending on the product portfolio.

Operator

operator
#60

Thank you. We have the next question from the line of Ansuman Deb from ICICI Securities.

Ansuman Deb

analyst
#61

My question is on the mix of long term as well as the mix of high yielding assets on the AUM. Long term is now, as you said, around 23% and high yielding is around 19%. From a balancing act, there would be a certain limit to these 2 numbers because otherwise, at some point, we might have some other related issues. So I was just wondering, is there any limit, which we are working on these 2 fronts?

Unknown Executive

executive
#62

Ansuman, on high-yielding assets, as of now, we consider equity investing IFS high-yielding assets for equities. Currently, we have kept this gap of 15%. And obviously, it would be a function of opportunities. So that is one. From as far -- as REITs and InvITs are concerned, there's a regulatory cap of 3%. We are currently operating close to 3%, and that book has delivered approximately 21% of vision at this point of time. On AIF, we have started investing drawdowns are small, but we do have intent to you scale up the book slowly. So retail capped at, say, 3%. AIFs,we have started just the activities. Equity is capped at 15%. This is where we stand today. And broadly only in exceptional situations, we would take any aggressive step on equities from here on.

Ansuman Deb

analyst
#63

And on the IFRS, some MTM losses on equity can happen in Q4, it will continue as it is. But on a steady state basis, you would -- we would ideally non-equity mix should yield around 6.5%, whereas the rest will be a function of equity is the right understanding?

Unknown Executive

executive
#64

No. Not exactly. None equities has 2 components. One is a core fixed income and another one is the liquidity that we maintain to today operations. As far as core [indiscernible] is concerned, we are currently operating at 7.71.

Ansuman Deb

analyst
#65

Okay. Okay. So sustainable any rate which you can tell us in terms of like the non-equity portfolio?

Unknown Executive

executive
#66

See, linearly, we would not like to give any comment on this because it's a function of opportunity. So for example, if -- as you are seeing today in market that there is no in the [indiscernible] long end of turn curve or long end of the yield of [indiscernible] is extremely attractive. So maybe that will -- if I build up my book there, you would find that there would be some pressure and then maybe that yield should marginally decline from 7.7%, but that would give me an opportunity tomorrow, when credit spreads expand, at that time, I would ramp up my credit book. So it's a function of opportunity. It would not be very linear. But as and when opportunities are there, we try to tap those segments. So that is 7.71 sustained. Now it's also a function of maturing book. Maturing book may have higher-yielding assets. So if we are in a position to replace those assets with equally or a higher-yielding assets, then it would sustain. Broadly, our endeavor is to maintain it to 7.71 or take it higher. But there may be time gaps and mismatches here and there.

Ansuman Deb

analyst
#67

7.7%, you're saying is you'll try to maintain that on the nonequity or maybe it can't go up also?

Unknown Executive

executive
#68

Depending on what the opportunities, yes. Absolutely. Yes.

Ansuman Deb

analyst
#69

Okay. Okay. And on the long-term mix, any limits?

Unknown Executive

executive
#70

See on the long-term business, we don't work on any limits. As mentioned earlier, we look at all our businesses on the decisions are made on IFRS basis. And we go behind businesses, which make ROE meters, ROE thresholds. And we believe that long-term business is delivering mid-teens ROEs.

Operator

operator
#71

We have the next question from the line of [indiscernible] from Jefferies.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#72

Congrats on a good set of results. Just a couple of bookkeeping questions from my end. Firstly, on the share of long-term policy mix in 3Q? And what was it in 2Q? And what was it last year if you could help with? And the second one on how much of advanced premium is are we carrying now versus 1H last year? That will be it for me.

Anand Roy

executive
#73

So can we take this separately with you offline?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#74

Sure, sir.

Operator

operator
#75

We have the next question from the line of Raghvesh from JM Financial.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#76

Congrats on a good quarter. Just wanted to understand the INR 140-odd crores, which was released from the outstanding claims. So how do we look at this number going forward in terms of -- is it and that we have paid a lot of the things which were outstanding from earlier? Or is it a function of, say, the tax for the company are reducing? And going forward, should the numbers total IBNR number as a percentage of the net earned premiums lower than the 8%, 9% where we have edition operated.

Unknown Executive

executive
#77

Yes, see, outstanding claims is a function of seasonality. Q2 where the claims ratio is higher, the claims as reported and they ran the books till the time it is paid. 30th September, there is an outstanding which gets paid in October. So as the loss ratio reduces, there is an impact on the outstanding. But it's also a function of the business volume. As we keep on growing the business and the number of claims on to grow the number of claims growth, it will keep on increasing. So there is no value to it. It's a function of quarterly claim reporting that happens and the payment of claims that happened in the period. But we believe it should be in that range of 8.5% to 9.5%, 10%. It should operate in that range on a -- so we retired on a trailing 12-month basis also, which is the right metric so.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#78

Just one -- have you seen a meaningful reduction in the tax, which should reduce this number sustainable?

Unknown Executive

executive
#79

There are two things, all. The cash less plans continues to be 85% of our book. The customer gets discharged from the hospital. The claim payment to the hospital happens within the defined time limits on the contract in the hospital. It can be 15 days. It can be 30 days also. So that happens subsequently, the customers discharge. So the data and the claim payment is independent because of the cash left and the payment to the hospital.

Operator

operator
#80

We have the next question from the line of Nidhesh from Investec.

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#81

First question, if you can share the breakup of investment book in terms of government securities, central government securities, state government securities, corporate bonds and equity that would be appreciated.

Unknown Executive

executive
#82

So it's like this that as on 30th September, central government securities would be approximately 22% of the book. Central government and state government put together would be approximately -- so basically, I define it that minimum central government has to be 20%. So we are keeping minimum 22%. And so as of now, 22 points, marginally higher 22-point-something. On central government and state government put together, the idea says that it should be 30%. It would be somewhere around 33%. Rest is all corporate bonds. And equity, as you know, that is around 14.9% and reached in wave another 4.7%. So total -- sorry, 3.8%, so total 18.5%. This is how the couple book is.

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#83

And sir, what are the plans to take up the equity share higher? Is there a plan to further increase the share of equity and REITs in the book?

Unknown Executive

executive
#84

REITs and in which cannot be because regulation sales that we can be up to 3 sorry, up to 3%. So we are there. Regulator has talked about increasing this up to 6%, but we are attributing further -- final regulations on this. So REITs and InvITs per cap. As far as equity is concerned, we have some internal models where we do risk appetite testing and based on which we ultimately take a call that how much of equity exposures that we will take. So there would be a possibility that, yes, we can increase equities by some quantum. It's a function of the solvency of the company and the capital requirement is so broadly, these are the factors which determine that how much of the assets that we can take in the book. This is where we stand as of now, currently capped at 15%.

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#85

Sure, sure. Secondly, on the long-term policy, is the share of long-term policy is 51% of GWP today in Q3?

Unknown Executive

executive
#86

Yes, of fresh.

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#87

Sir, in the IFRS accounting, because the deferred efficient costs getting deferred, but let's say, I assume that most of these will be 3-year long-term policies. So the loss ratios will keep on increasing. So in IFRS, does it give a true picture of the profitability of long-term policies or overstate the profitability in the first year and then the second third year, we will see slightly lower profitability on these policies because loss ratios may increase in year 2, year 3.

Unknown Executive

executive
#88

See, there are two things. One is the deferment happens over the policy period. But the operating cost is very high in the first year itself, which is in the P&L in the first year. So on a combined ratio basis, it is still in a similar range. While the commission ratio of loss issues like -- commission ratios remain stable, loss issue increases, there is no OpEx in the second and third year, which is there only in the first year.

Nidhesh Jain

analyst
#89

Sure, sure, sure. And the last question is on IFRS. Thanks for the detailed disclosure on IFRS Ind AS financial. So sir, three questions. One is that how should we look at the investment income should we remove the, let's say, mark-to-market gains and then look at the profitability or we should look at the reported profitability. That is number one. Second is what is the difference between insurance and insurance revenue and NEP? I thought that insurance revenue in NEP would be similar in case of IFRS.

Unknown Executive

executive
#90

I'll answer the second question first. Insurance revenue is typically the gross and premium. The NEP is net of reinsurance. In IFRS, if you see net results of insurance is a single line. So and the speed reported in broadly. The acquisition cost is the commission deferred over a period of time. Feeding, the RI claims, the claims -- the [indiscernible] of your claims and the RI commission is as a single line item is net result of the reinsurance basically. So that's the difference between premium and insurance revenue. On the investment income, what I suggest is while there'll be volatility we have been talking about. Today, 0 is not the correct thing. We have a INR 3,000 crores of equity portfolio. One can take an average ton of 10% and calculate stable revenue or the profits over a period of time. That's how one can look at it, which is also quite strong.

Unknown Executive

executive
#91

We have to understand that equity markets would remain volatile. But what we have realized it over a longer period of time, equity returns are largely related very closely correlated to nominal GDP growth. So on an average, we can assume that 10% to 11% kind of nominal growth would be there and hence, that would get translated into equity returns as well. But yes, quarter-over-quarter, there would be volatility. That's a problem of IFRS. that P&L accounts would become volatile. But that does not mean that we should stay away from high-yielding assets, especially when we are long-term investors in the market. So that is one of our approach is that we look at this asset class and from 7% moving to, say, 11% kind of asset class and that [indiscernible] is long-term investors. So this is what we are trying to do. And we are reasonably hopeful that over a longer period of time, the 15% or 19% of the book would deliver reasonably good returns, much higher than what the fixed income book would deliver.

Operator

operator
#92

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraint, that was the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Nilesh Kambli for the closing call.

Nilesh Kambli

executive
#93

No. So we have experienced a strong quarter in terms of top line growth and an improvement in our operating results both reduction of losses and expense ratio. We are focused on execution and to maintain consistency of performance. So thank you, everyone, for joining the call.

Operator

operator
#94

Thank you very much. On behalf of Star Health and Allied Insurance Company Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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