Aristocrat Leisure Limited (ALL) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

March 8, 2022

Australian Securities Exchange AU Consumer Discretionary Hotels, Restaurants and Leisure special 48 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#1

Good morning, and welcome to Aristocrat's Management Roundtable for March '22. My name is Rohan Gallagher. I'm the General Manager for Investor Relations. Welcome. Of course, we'd love to see as many of you live in-person, but over the last couple of years it's been quite challenging. But we also recognize the value of corporate access. And with the global business, we've got many people around the world. And to bring them together, to share in the continued ongoing business updates for the company, hopefully, this is a nice way in which we can manage that. We'll also be reporting our 31 March half year end results in May for further updates. In terms of -- we're very fortunate today. We've got 3 members of our executive steering committee here at Aristocrat. We have Mr. Trevor Croker, our CEO and Managing Director. Good morning, Trevor. We have Mr. Mike Lang, Head of our Pixel United's business based in London. Good evening to you, Mike. And of course, I'm very proud to have my friend and the new CEO of the Global Gaming business, Mr. Hector Fernandez. Good morning, Hector. So what we're going to do -- and thank you very much for those people who have registered, and particularly, those people who have provided questions in advance for today's meeting. What we're going to do is use those key questions as a sort of an infrastructure or the basis for today's call. And then we'll supplement that with any live questions that you may have throughout this call. But first, what I'd like to do is just introduce Trevor to just give a quick update on how the business is performing. Trevor, good morning.

Trevor Croker

executive
#2

Thanks, Rohan, and thanks to all those on the line for the continued interest in Aristocrat. I'll just make a couple of opening comments before handing it over to the people who you really want to hear from, which is Mike and Hector. The business continues to keep its strong momentum that we took out of 2021. The fundamentals that drove our performance in 2021, great game performance, great execution into new markets and in adjacent markets and also in our gaming -- sorry, in our digital and our gaming businesses continue to be strong hallmarks of Aristocrat' success. Recent industry surveys, you will have noticed have had top-performing cabinet games and #1 and #2 positions for Social Casino and Squad RPG games in our portfolio. So the portfolio and strength of Aristocrat remained strong. As we advised at the AGM, we remain committed to our outlook, and we'll continue to work with our customers and with our players through these difficult times to ensure that we have good solutions for them, and we continue to invest strongly behind the ongoing growth of Aristocrat as a whole. I remain extremely confident about where our business is placed, the momentum we're carrying and the structure of the fundamentals of the organization; great product performance, great verticals in the diversification of the digital business now being a strong part of our growth engine and the strong cash fundamentals, which lead us to a very strong balance sheet as well. So with that, I'll hand it back to Rohan. We have released an announcement this morning on our position on the Ukraine and Russia. And Mike will talk a little bit more to the detail on that when we talk about Pixel United. But with that, I'll hand it back to you, Rohan.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#3

Thanks, Trevor. So well, ladies and gentlemen, 2022 is especially a good year after '20 and '21. It hasn't started out so well. Floods here locally in Australia, and unfortunately, the tragic circumstances over in Europe. And obviously, with a global business that has implications for the likes of Aristocrat. Turning our attention to Europe and in particular to Pixel United's business, it's been the source of many questions. And with that, what I'd like to do is just open up to Mike, just to sort of set the scene into our broader exposure into Pixel United's exposure into the Ukraine-Russian region, please. Thanks, Mike.

Michael Lang

executive
#4

Sure. Why don't I focus on, in particular, on Ukraine and the significant efforts we've had in regards to our employees there in terms of getting them into safety and to get our business into a good situation. First and foremost, our business is focused on 2 areas; one is people first and people safety and welfare. And then second, the ongoing business continuity of the business itself. Our Phase 1 of our efforts started many, many weeks before the invasion of Ukraine started, where number one, we highly encourage people to get the safety zones within the country or to leave the country because we did see what was coming; and number two is building a significant amount of content and live ops inventory that we would use on an ongoing basis than to protect us no matter what would happen. And then when the invasion happened, we really had to kick it into high gear. Our main area has been most recently to evacuate as many people as we could either to safety in Poland or again into the regions of the country that are safer at this moment to the rest -- to the West. We created a crisis management team that's literally been working 24/7 across the organization, supporting staff across the Ukraine with payments of advanced payments, debit cards, supplies and direct aid for all of those people that are in the Ukraine. Currently, there are 2 buses daily that are leaving from an undisclosed location that I'd rather not speak of right now for their safety within the Ukraine area that is taking people to Poland. And those buses are filled every day with our employees, family members, relatives, grandparents and even pets as we try to evacuate those people out of the country. At the boarding crossing, we are providing direct support as they arrive, getting them accommodations throughout Poland that they can live and be safe. We're also providing relocation payments, ability for them to get visas, insurance and counsel. There's also been telephone hotlines 24/7 run by the organization in order to be able to contact with these employees [Technical Difficulty]

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#5

I think we may have just lost connection with Mike at the moment. He is going to be dialing back in. So he's out at the moment from an audio perspective, but we will come back to Mike. And so whilst we're looking at addressing Mike's audio, let's go to our friend, Hector Fernandez. So I'm very proud to introduce Hector. Hector and I come through the finance leadership team together. And Hector succeeds Mitchell Bowen, who moves across, who will be running our real money gaming efforts going forward. So Hector, first of all, welcome. And unfortunately, many people haven't been able to get to Vegas to meet you personally and so on. So if I can indulge the call for a moment. Could I trouble you just to talk a little bit about your background and how you got to Aristocrat?

Hector Fernandez

executive
#6

Sure. So I'll start a little bit, give you a little bit of biography of where I'm from. I'm actually Guatemalan. I was born in Guatemala. My parents migrated to the United States when I was about a year old. I think I didn't learn English till I was 6. Though Spanish is my first language, I'm still proud to be bilingual. One of the things I love about that history and background, when I think about our company is we have put strong Australian roots, just like I have very strong Guatemalan roots. While I'm a naturalized U.S. citizen, I speak the language, I still eat the food, and I think it's really important as we evolve our business not to ever forget our roots or where we came from. I was -- I went to college in the U.S. I worked at Deloitte out of undergrad. After business school, I worked at Procter & Gamble in Cincinnati in a global role. Then I worked at Amgen at a large biotech also in California. And prior to coming to Aristocrat, I worked at Western Digital, where we made hard drives and flash storage devices. I joined Aristocrat in November 2018 as the CFO of the Americas. I was very fortunate to learn the business very quickly. When you're the finance person, you get access to a lot of information, a lot of numbers. I was part of building the strategy for growth from connect and unleash. And then for the last, a little bit over 2 and a half years, I've been the President of the Americas. So U.S., Canada, Latin America, and a year ago, EMEA as well. So I'm incredibly excited to take the torch from Mitch. Mitchell has done a phenomenal job of setting the foundation for our ability to grow. And our strategy doesn't change whatsoever. Our strategy is how do we continue to build on the strength, this foundation to grow the business at even faster rates.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#7

We've got Mike back and we're back live. That's the beauty of live recording, but we'll stick with Hector and we'll revert back to my good friend in London. Hector, the jewel in the crown is clearly our Gaming Operations business. And it's really commercializing; the world's best games from an outstanding unwavering commitment to D&D. Can you just give us a snapshot in terms of the [indiscernible] land in the U.S. market, in particular, the Gaming Ops segment at the moment?

Hector Fernandez

executive
#8

So I think through the COVID period, one of the things that we made a strategic choice not to cut any investment in D&D, as all of you know. So we continued our strong investment in D&D. The other thing that we did during COVID is we launched Aristocrat Assist. We went and listened to our customers, understood what their needs in the market were and we launched the program to help them get back up and running. One of the things that you have seen as a result of some of those actions is that our business is stronger than ever. From a Gaming Ops perspective, we continue to win a lot of different awards. And one of the things I was very proud of I was recently at the Eilers award ceremony and we won the most improved premium supplier for the third year in a row, which is a great accomplishment when you think about the fact that we're already the #1 premium gaming supplier. We also won Supplier of the Year at the Eilers Award, which again, is an industry event, so it's all of the peers and customers nominating who win some of these awards. So from a Gaming Ops perspective, given the investments we've made in D&D, given the portfolio that we have, given the cabinet mix, if you see some of the recent Eilers report where we continue to perform incredibly well, we're very, very excited about the business. The other thing I would tell you, Rohan, too is, we've really transformed this business from a transactional, hey, what do we need to do from a quarterly perspective, half perspective. And we really built a strategic partnership with our customers, which has enabled us to sustain some of these shocks in the economy and pandemics and all of those things. And so we continue to really believe there's strong momentum in the business, and we continue to see it every day.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#9

That customer's interest is a key cultural attribute here at Aristocrat and we'll unpack that further. With Gaming Ops, you've seen -- a shout-out to Todd Eilers who is on the call and Eilers. Their surveys are suggesting we continue to take share. But in addition to just the installed base, your fee per day is superior to the industry. So from a wallet share, I suppose, you could phrase it, the share is even higher. Do you find that is there a natural limit? Is there a ceiling to that market share on the way forward?

Hector Fernandez

executive
#10

Actually, we talk a lot about this, and we actually don't believe there's a ceiling because we've built these strategic partnerships, whereas before, I think people would say, okay, what's the natural share that I don't want to go beyond. I think our customers today, because we're so close to them, because we interact with them so much, they're really looking at return on investment and value. And when you look at that metric, I really don't think that there is a natural ceiling to our Gaming Operations business. If you look at the top-performing games, as per the Eilers' report, we're 18 and 19 of the top 25 in premium. We are top 5 of the 7 cabinets. So from a performance standpoint, we really don't see a ceiling as long as we continue to put out great content and invest behind D&D.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#11

Hector, Rhett Kessler from Pengana and Matt Ryan of Barrenjoey, been asking around the general player activity. You are seeing GGR was exceptional as the markets reopen and it's sort of trending back and moderating back towards those pre-COVID 2019 levels. But for somebody on the ground, how are you seeing the general market and the outlook, particularly, and we'll touch on it next is around inflationary pressures.

Hector Fernandez

executive
#12

So GGR continues to have really strong momentum. I think there was a couple of states a couple of days ago that released some of the GGR numbers and very healthy growth rates even year-over-year even as we get to a difficult compare period. The other phenomenon we've seen, particularly in the U.S., is that our player base tends to -- has really skewed a little bit on the younger side. So about 5 years younger than our average pre-COVID, if you will. And the good news about that is that player base remains going to casinos. I think they discovered what a casino can offer, obviously, the amenities, the entertainment aspect of it, and they continue to go to casino every single day. The other phenomenon we've seen is some of the older population, 65 and over that have been very careful because of COVID, some of those haven't come back quite yet, which actually tells you how impressive GGR actually is because our core consumer or core player, some of them are still sitting out in the sidelines and coin-in is incredibly strong. So as the pandemic, as we slowly progress to potentially putting it behind us and it becoming an endemic, we're very confident that those players will come back and carry the momentum forward.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#13

And so in light of that, you've got that on the positive in terms of margin of safety. But on the negative, we're seeing energy prices going up. So in Australia here, we're seeing $2 a liter on fuel, in the U.S. we're seeing over $4 per gallon. This is sort of foreign to many of us. Will that have an impact as we turn our attention into the second half of our financial year and then into '23?

Hector Fernandez

executive
#14

Yes, we remain very cautious. Obviously, inflation can have a tempering impact on our business as consumers, players look at their overall spend, overall wallet, if you will, and then make decisions on how they allocate that. And so we remain cautiously optimistic relative to some of those inflationary pressures. I will tell you, though, in the month of January, February, we haven't actually seen a significant slowdown. Clearly, inflation is starting to catch up. Oil prices are starting to rise. And so we'll continue to keep a close eye on that every single day and ensure that the fundamentals of the business don't really change. We continue to invest in the best cabinets, the best content. And so even as inflation puts pressure -- potential pressure on the business, we feel very confident that we will still be the product of choice and the partner of choice.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#15

It's great you got the margins to start with in regards to that, of course. But of course, we're creating a significant value. So if we turn our attention now to the customers, and customers are very important aspect to the Aristocrat business. What are their capital expenditure intentions? How are they -- are they sort of now starting to step up the plate to reinvest as the economy opens in the U.S.? How are you seeing it?

Hector Fernandez

executive
#16

So one of the phenomenon we actually saw through COVID was the willingness to shift to participation or rev share. And obviously, from our fiscal year results, you saw that in the strong numbers that we were able to deliver. And so I think a lot of operators, specifically in the U.S., got more comfortable with this concept of, hey, like the sharing of revenue because now the interest and the risks are aligned between a supplier or like we'd like to say a partner, a strategic partner of choice. And so that was a really interesting phenomenon that we continue to see. The other thing we are starting to see capital budgets have more clarity or visibility. About 9, 10 months ago, some customers would tell us that they would get their capital allocation on a quarterly basis where normally they would get it on a yearly basis. We're starting to hear now that customers are starting to go back to getting yearly capital allocations and feeling comfortable with investments. The other thing, quite frankly, that's driven some of that is as GGR has been elevated, as players come into a casino, they're demanding the latest and greatest product. And so that is driving some of the underlying demand and capital allocation that our customers are doing. And for us, as we've invested in the product portfolio, a disproportionate part of that capital now comes to our business.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#17

So this is actually a great segue because David Fabris from Macquarie was asking about the key titles and franchisees, how are they performing? Are there any sort of games to call out, which we could actually go for about 20 minutes just on that question alone given our portfolio? But from your perspective, what are the key highlights? And what are the trends going forward?

Hector Fernandez

executive
#18

I mean, it's a tough question. I almost have got my nose out to try to read all of the top-performing games. But obviously, we've had tremendous success with Buffalo Link in the U.S. as we've rolled out that product. And just to remind everyone, that's the combination of Buffalo Mat and Lightning Link. It was the fastest scaling product we have ever launched at the company, doing very, very well in the market and we continue to be very excited about that product. Dragon Link, if you look at some of the Eilers' performance numbers, is actually in a post-COVID or during COVID world doing 4x to 5x house average, which is unheard of kind of over the long history of this industry. Cash Express: Luxury Line continues to do incredibly well in the U.S. We launched a new game, Dune, which timed exactly with the release of the movie in the theaters, which is also industry first. And Rohan, I can go on and on forever on all these amazing games and content that we have, but it's our dedication to investment that has really driven this business.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#19

Yes, and the cabinets have really made an impact. Trevor, anything else?

Trevor Croker

executive
#20

I'll just again talk about the philosophical portfolio, which were digital-first games, but now land-based and the successful games as well.

Hector Fernandez

executive
#21

So if you look at from a core portfolio, and again, referencing the Eilers' report, we're 9 or 10 of the top 25 now. So as Trevor mentioned, we had the strategy of releasing some games digitally and then getting player feedback, real-time feedback. And as we got that feedback, like Cashman Bingo is a good example of that. We made changes to the game and then we launched it in the land-based environment. And what we have seen is those games that we did digitally first and then learned and made changes, they've actually been #1 or #2 in the Eilers' report. And that's really exciting to see is if we talk about capital allocation, we're now a huge participant now in that for-sale capital allocation because of some of those investments.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#22

And of course, our focus is on our customers, but we do get a lot of interest because of the public-listed competitors. So can you just touch on the competitive landscape? Some of the guys have gone through a lot of change. They've had to change their business model. Some have even changed their names. How are you seeing the competitive landscape in the U.S., which is usually generally very competitive anyway?

Hector Fernandez

executive
#23

Yes, very competitive market, obviously, but I keep coming back to the core decisions that we made around D&D investment, around Aristocrat Assist about being a strategic partner of choice for the long-term. And so while we do keep a close eye on our competitors and remain very humble and a bit paranoid, making sure that they don't actually pass it at any point in time. We're much more focused on our customer and their needs. So we spend quite a bit, I personally spend quite a bit of time traveling to see our customers and listening directly from them and trying to understand the things that their business needs. The other thing I will tell you too through COVID is, we've actually interacted a lot more with C level executives of our customers. So actually listening to the CEO, the CFO, the COO to truly understand what some of those business measures that they're looking for. And through those relationships, we've been able to offer solutions in a long-term setting that drive value for both of us. And so we feel very confident that as we've evolved those relationships. We keep a close on our competitors, but we don't spend too much time worrying about them.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#24

An observation I've seen in the last 3 to 4 years has been Aristocrat's move from a transaction style selling boxes to a partnership supplier of choice. How do you see it coming into the business? And is that trend something that's sustainable?

Hector Fernandez

executive
#25

So we actually learned a lot through our Oklahoma business that tends to have longer term deals. And we took that model across the U.S. and actually outside of the U.S. as well to understand what are the value needs that a customer needs and then putting together a deal and offer a contract that is a win-win. I think a lot of times in business some people think that it has to be a win-lose, someone wins and someone loses. One of the things we've learned and have been very successful at is creating these win-win situations with our customers. So it's less about, hey, we need to hit a quarterly number, we need to hit a half number, but it's more about how do we build your business for the long-term that also protects and build our business as well. The other thing I will tell you is, as the business grows and our commitment to 11% to 12% of D&D spend of revenue, that creates a further moat around our business because as we get bigger, the absolute dollar investment that go into D&D grows as well, which then kind of continues to cycle and protect the business in the long-term.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#26

Well, I know you're getting -- it's great to have you here in Australia. I know you're learning the Australian business. There are many volunteers that are taking to the pubs and clubs, tough job. Somebody's got to do it. But we look forward to catching up with you in May. So thanks for that, Hector, and welcome to the team. Now let's turn back to London and our friend, Mike, I believe we've fixed our audio issues. Mike, you were talking about Ukraine. And given the importance of the Ukraine, can you just probably take a step back and just go through our position in the Ukraine at this particular point in time?

Michael Lang

executive
#27

So as I was saying, and I apologize about the phone connection, we've been doing a lot to try to protect our employees and get them to a safe location. So through all the efforts that I was describing, now 2/3 of our employee base within the Ukraine are either in safer locations within the Ukraine or out of the country, either in Poland or other markets. And so that in of itself has been a pretty monumental effort to do that. Two things, though, to keep in mind. Number one, there are still third people that have decided not to leave their particular markets or aren't able to leave because of what you're all seeing on the news. And so they're all in our thoughts and prayers, those people, and we're going to consistently continue to work hard to make sure they are able to get to safe locations and lead the country eventually appropriately. But then number two is now we're building to the future permanent relocation for those people. So you may have -- as we mentioned, we've opened a new facility in Poland in Wroclaw, which is a great location east of the Krakow -- west of Krakow that we believe is a very strong technology hub that not only the people from Ukraine are going to be excited about coming to, but will also be another recruiting location for us to continue to build that staff. And we're planning to build up another location in Poland as well. The reason in Poland is that we think it's better because it will be much easier for the people in Ukraine to get there, to immigrate there as well as then be closer to people in Ukraine that do not leave. Number two is -- we were talking about COVID earlier is our organization has been working remotely for the last 2.5 years. So the idea now that we have a dispersed organization across both the Ukraine and Poland and other parts of the world working on the product has been fairly seamless for us. And so we've been incredibly surprised. If you look at the results of what we've seen so far, it's been stable with no impact as of yet. We're clearly looking at what will happen in the future and we're monitoring it. But number two is we've invested so much in content that is inventoried in any ways than that [Technical Difficulty]

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#28

I think we may have lost him again. So obviously, it's challenging times and who wants to be in the media with all this live television and so on. So I'll go to Trevor, because I know Trevor has been close to Mike and working through it, and hopefully, we can get Mike back on the call. But let's turn our attention, Mike was talking about Ukraine, Trevor. Let's talk about Russia. Peter Arnett from Touchstone, Paul [indiscernible], Rohan Sundram from Marquee are looking at our Russian operations, and in particular, we have a studio in Krasnodar. Can you just help us out in terms of our position there and the way forward?

Trevor Croker

executive
#29

So while Mike is reconnecting, I'll...

Michael Lang

executive
#30

I'm back on, Trevor. I'm sorry. I don't understand this. So I'll try one more time.

Trevor Croker

executive
#31

My opening comments would be, Mike, is that our team on the ground has worked tirelessly to focus on our people and to make sure that they're looked after that their structure behind it and the fact that we're putting people first. I'm very proud of the efforts they've put in and the fact that, that is what we do at Aristocrat, the way we address things as people first, we look at what customers' are interested in and then we look at business resilience. And each one of those boxes are being addressed on a daily basis by our team, and they're working extremely hard. So to Mike and the crew in that part of the world have done an exceptional job and very proud of what our teams are doing. Obviously, there's a long way to go, but very proud of it.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#32

And Mike, we were just talking about Russia and there is obviously inquiries in terms of we have a studio in Russia. Can you touch on that, please?

Michael Lang

executive
#33

So as we've announced, we are suspending operations of our games in Russia. And the reason is very clear, it's just not viable for us to operate the games business there, not only because of the sanctions, but because of the broader support for our employees in Ukraine that are displaced and impacted by this territory. So as a result, we are suspending those operations. However, we do have a studio there, of which we are very much reviewing our options as to what will be next to do there, to support our employees there who have no fault of their own they've been put in this position. But it's a complicated situation there given the sanctions, which we all know are changing by the hour. And we're going to do everything we can to give them an opportunity if we can, but we also have to make the decision to suspend our operations from a game standpoint there. Realistically, how the future will evolve there, we're not sure. But it's clear to us that more unlikely, we'll be able to operate long-term in Russia given the current situations. That being said, as we said in our mails, it's not a material part of our business. It represents only 3% of our total revenue. We also have the ability to shift resources across our global portfolio that we have in a global organization that we have. And that effort is underway, and we feel very confident we'll be able to do that. This is one of the reasons we were talking earlier, Hector, was about the importance of scale. This is why scale matters in our business, right? We have the scale and the diversity from a geography standpoint to be able to tap in and to be able to solve situations like this. But bottom line, it's the right thing to do. And we just as an organization are taking that step forward in order to do that. So that's our position on Russia as far as today.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#34

Thanks, Mike. From an ESG perspective, all those analysts who look at it from an ESG, I'd encourage you to have a look at the people first culture in action here at Aristocrat. We've got employee volunteers on telephone hotlines reaching out to their colleagues. And we've got the commitment, the effort, the support, it's just been phenomenal to the credit of the Playsoft team in Poland, to Plarium, to Mike and the team, it's just been an outstanding effort and it's going to probably go on for a lot longer, unfortunately. And so I'd also like to acknowledge and recognize the investment community. There's been a number of people who have proactively reached out. They've put their spreadsheets aside, albeit temporarily, but to reach out from a humanity perspective, it's been very appreciated. So thank you to all of those individuals. Let's turn to the business. The business is continuing to do outstandingly under really tough conditions. We've had a -- social casino represents half of the Pixel United's bookings led by apps like Lightning Link, Cashman Casino and the likes. Mike, can you -- Matt Ryan from Barrenjoey is asking, how are you seeing customers responding to the user acquisition, particularly in social casino after a strong, really strong couple of years?

Michael Lang

executive
#35

Again, I think our social casino business continues to be running on all cylinders. We have found, Matt, that our new marketing strategies that we've developed over the last year and a half are really starting to bear fruit. We have a much more effective and targeted direct performance that we're seeing great returns on. And we've also tested things like television advertising in the U.S. that has been very successful. And so we think that the strategy that we're in is strong. I think one of the reasons why is also the great brands and content we have at Aristocrat, it's easier to market things when you have a great product. And one of the things that we should not underestimate is the competitive advantage that we have with our content. And again, Trevor and Hector mentioned it, not only the land business and the digital, but digital now first content that's being developed that is going the other direction. And I think that puts us in a very strong position as we go forward in that business, led by [indiscernible] that's just been a tremendous hire for us and has really done a great job building that business out. So there's -- we've seen so far in social casino that would indicate that we're seeing any slowdown in anything that...

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#36

We launched into a new genre with Mech Arena recently and the action genre. Justin Barratt from CLSA and David Fabris from Macquarie, just wanting to sort of have a look at the performance and the learnings to date.

Michael Lang

executive
#37

So the performance has been pretty close to expected. If you remember, when we talked before, we're still learning a lot in this segment. It's a new segment for us, the action segment. And one of the things that we really realized is that we have to continually build more and more content for that game. So it's still fairly early days in that effort. I know that with the success of RAID, we think that, that was an overnight sensation, it really wasn't. I mean, there was a lot of investment in content over time, and this is an entirely new segment that we're learning. The other thing is the marketing piece of this. We're learning a lot because it's a broader demographic for Mech Arena than the targeted and the role-playing games. It's a different marketing mix that we're doing as a result as well. But the results continue to be very encouraging, and we're continuing to monitor the KPIs to see when we can go to that next level. But there's nothing that we're seeing right now, Rohan, would say that it's not going to hit the kind of comps that we talked about of over $100 million game eventually on that kind of run rate. We believe that that's still possible and achievable.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#38

And Mike, so Mech Arena moves us into a new genre, the action genre within that mid-core space of Strategy, RPG and Action. So not only does it lifts the addressable market opportunities for us, but it does provide that diversification. Can you comment on the other mid-core exposure gains, like you mentioned RAID and Vikings and others?

Michael Lang

executive
#39

So in the mid-core space, we also have a new game that's being launched, Magic Wars, which is part of our pipeline that again is more of a strategy like game that we again have great experience with the Vikings franchise. And the early results of those KPIs seem really encouraging to us in terms of what we'll see. And so we think that strategy RPG market has a lot more growth to be able to develop. And so we're looking at a whole bunch of different areas that we can continue to invest in and more pipeline to come in that area. So very bullish on that segment and believe it will continue to grow for us.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#40

And a related question, which you touched on already with Magic Wars, but also just in relation to Russia-Ukraine. Steven Green and a few others have asked about the game pipeline and are there any potential impacts to that game pipeline generally? And are there any associated updates you can provide us at this point in time?

Michael Lang

executive
#41

So as of today, the answer is no impact to our pipeline. We are still planning to launch Magic Wars, the team is working feverishly on it, and the results look good, but it's very, very early. As you know, the other game that is being launched is outside of that region is in Finland, but from our acquisition of Futureplay, going to be launching Merge Gardens, which is the first game that we developed in that acquisition, very encouraging KPIs. And again, a team that we've really integrated well with our Plarium team in Tel Aviv in terms of bringing kind of capabilities on both sides and learnings to take that genre to what we think could be a very much higher level. And then the third game is [ Slotsburg ] which is a code name, which is our next state-of-the-art slot social casino game, which is bringing cutting-edge graphics and features that have never been seen before with all digital first content for the first time as a launch. So not only is that exciting, but from our perspective, it's a very unique positioning that's not cannibalizing our existing franchises along the way. It's creating incremental growth as part of that. And so we're really excited about that game as well. So if you take Mech Arena, that's still I believe in this kind of scaling and those other games, that's a pretty good pipeline. Now as all as I'll say to you, not all of them are going to be successful. But a year from now, we'll be talking and we're not going to about 1,000, but that's part of the business. But I think the way we're managing it is managing very carefully our investment, not only in the products, but on marketing until we know we have the ability then to invest at reasonable investment levels. And so that kind of more disciplined approach has done as well over the last 3 years, and we're going to continue it.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#42

Finally, a question for you, Mike, is around Apple. Apple introduced the identification for advertisers or IDFA and has had an impact on the industry in terms of targeted advertising. We're several months into that now, can you just give a comment in terms of how IDFA has impacted the user acquisition strategy and in particular, the genres, which have been more exposed than others?

Michael Lang

executive
#43

So interesting enough, our usual hypothesis of what the impact of IDFA has been it's been completely the opposite as usual. We had thought at the time that our social casino and our strategy role-playing games would be the most exposed in that environment. What has happened is that hasn't been the case, that those have done very, very well. And quite frankly, the biggest reason is that those platforms have the least dependence on Facebook, which was really the key marketing channel that has been most impacted by the IDFA. And anyone who doesn't, can see that when you go listen to Facebook and they start talking about other things like Meta and other things, it's because their core platform is just not as effective from a direct performance standpoint as it otherwise was. And because social casino and strategy RPG had diversified so much into -- we talked about before YouTube influencers, search, ad networks and then television that they've been able to kind of weather that storm. It's been the casual segment in which the demographic of primarily 45 and older females, highly dependent on Facebook channel. That's the one that -- for the entire industry, not just us, has been most impacted. So we have aggressively -- and the one casual business that -- one casual game, excuse me, that we are spending significant UA on EverMerge because we don't really spend a lot on the others, they're kind of franchise legacy games. We've taken on an incredible diversified new look at our marketing channels. We're leveraging ad networks. We're looking at other kinds of influencer-based activities. And we're seeing a good reasonable return now because of those decisions that you made -- that we've made over the last 6 months. And so -- but long-term, that is the challenge of the industry, in particular, I would say, from a consumer standpoint where you're trying to target older demographics. How is it -- what are going to be those direct marketing channels that quite frankly Facebook's just not as effective as it once was.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#44

It's a global borderless industry digital, and we've got great diversification. And that scale has really helped us in regards to business continuity planning and so on. So thank you, Mike, and all the very best to your team, particularly those in Europe at the moment. Let's pivot across to Trevor and let's talk about the strategy. We have received a number of questions around real money gaming and following the Playtech transaction process. We did provide an update in regards to the AGM. Can you just summarize the process since the proposed Playtech acquisition and where we're at, at the moment?

Trevor Croker

executive
#45

Our commitment to enter RMG is unwavering. We were excited about it a couple of years ago. We did the work to look at a way to enter it at scale and quickly. But at the same time, we were building capability within the organization. We have RMG D capabilities that has been built over the last 12 months and is now scalable within the core organization. So our commitment to enter RMG remains the same. We see that the proposition that we bring to entering RMG is great content, great customer relationships and a strong regulatory position and ability to work within regulated markets. That's the competitive advantage we bring to the business, also strong tech foundation. So whilst there are options to build and buy, which is our strategy, we have already been building for a period of time, and we will give you an update when we come back to you in May of the milestones and the progress that we're making along that journey. But we haven't been sitting here waiting for a process to end and a transaction to be completed. We've been focused on making sure we execute our strategy. And we've continued to do that with, as I said, internal investment, which has already been in play and potentially the opportunity to buy certain technical or other aspects that are required to accelerate our entry into the RMG market, which we feel confident on the basis, as I said, we've got strong content. We've heard from our customers what they expect and this is sort of same as what Hector is hearing -- been talking about in the gaming business, and we know our regulatory strength and our ability to be a regulatory partner in this genre, not genre, in this segment.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#46

So we've got a clear strategy. The strategy is unchanged. It's just the methodology going to pivot from the entering with scale with the Playtech acquisition to a build and buy strategy going forward. And we'll provide the market with regular updates throughout -- most notably, the next update will be May, featuring Mitchell Bowen. So here's an interesting question for Trevor. Sitting next to 2 finance-based people, let's turn to capital management. And one of the issues with acquiring a business in the U.K. is to have a financial certainty. So we did raise equity in conjunction with that proposed Playtech acquisition, combined with some significant free cash flow that's generated from the business organically, we arguably have one of the best, if not, the best balance sheets in the gaming industry. So there has been a number of questions in terms of the capital allocation priorities subsequent post-Playtech proposed transaction. What are your general comments associated with that at this point in time, Trevor?

Trevor Croker

executive
#47

Well, I think thanks to Peter and Larry that asked the questions as well. So we are still a strong growth company, and I'm unwavering on that commitment. I can still see growth in Hector's business, I can see growth in Mike's business and I can see growth in RMG and we will continue to invest behind that. A sustained diversified global growth business with strong free cash flow is a great place to be. So we now deploy and we'll continue to deploy our capital priorities the way that we have in the past, which has been a proven success factor; investing in D&D, investing in Gaming Ops CapEx and investing in new ways to drive digital. That still remains our priority and we're continuing to focus on funding that for the business as a whole. Obviously, we see M&A to -- as a way to accelerate growth. Historically, Aristocrat has driven growth by taking share, interim adjacencies and then growing and then using M&A to accelerate our growth. And that still remains our priority from a capital perspective after those key priorities of investing in our business for long-term growth. There are other options like buybacks, dividends, paying down debt and all of those are actively being discussed. I think at this point in time, we continue to invest for the long-term. I think what we're seeing in the market at the moment on the way that prices are going for opportunities are generally coming off. It's an opportunity time to have a strong balance sheet, to have a strong growth fundamentals in the core business and have the capacity to be opportunistic for the right strategic options, always keeping shareholders' interest at the heart of what we're trying to achieve.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#48

So the trends around share gains in Gaming Ops, game sales, Pixel United and generation of good cash flow, strong balance sheet, there's some pretty luxurious problems that the company is facing in terms of its future and the way forward and it's really just prioritizing those. Is that a fair summary?

Trevor Croker

executive
#49

It's a far better summary than I get.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#50

Well, as we draw to a close, and I'd just ask Trevor do you have any sort of final comments or remarks before we close this meeting today?

Trevor Croker

executive
#51

No, just to say thank you. As I said, I'm recognizing the incremental efforts of the team we've been putting in over the last period of time, and we're all very proud of that. I think the piece I would leave with the people on the line today is that the fundamentals of this business are very strong and continue to be strong and we're confident about the delivery of those fundamentals. That provides us optionality, which we've talked about a number of times during this call as well. But I think the piece that perhaps we haven't talked a lot about is the depth of talent at Aristocrat. When you can look at strength of our leadership teams, the changes that we're able to make, the talent that we're actually acquiring and the growth that's coming through and the size of the organization as a whole, when you think about the growth that we're actually doing with adding new talent pools, new genres, new capabilities, but also be able to have the flexibility to make recent management changes and having the depth in the organization to be able to do that with high-quality, proven talent that exists in the industry. So from my perspective, we've got a very strong talent pool on top of, like I said, the business fundamentals. Aristocrat is great shape. I've said it many times before, but the next 10 years of Aristocrat are better than the last 10 years, and that hasn't changed in my mind at all. There's bumps in the road, but we are well positioned that whatever the size of the market is, we will take our share and more and continue to take our share in more of those markets regardless of the size. And we'll continue to invest for growth, and that's what's been able to drive the diversification of our business over time and also sustain market share gains we continue to get.

Rohan Gallagher

executive
#52

Well, it's an exciting future. Thanks, Trevor. Conscious of time, I'll draw this roundtable to a close. For those questions that were not answered, the Investor Relations team will reach out to you and answer them directly. Also as a reminder, given the level of inbound questions and the fluidity that is happening in Eastern Europe at the moment, I'd refer you to the ASX release we've put out and issued today. We're trying to be as open and transparent as possible, but we're also trying to look after the safety and welfare of our people. So we appreciate your understanding associated with that. Our next update will most likely be in May, which will be our half year period ending 31 March. So with that, I'd like to thank you for your ongoing support to the over 140 people who've attended today. Thank you for persevering with the technology issues that we have, but this is a live recording. So a transcript and a copy of that recording will be available on our website as soon as practically possible. So with that, please everyone, stay safe, take care, and thank you for your ongoing interest and support of Aristocrat. Have a good day.

Trevor Croker

executive
#53

Thank you.

Hector Fernandez

executive
#54

Thanks, everyone.

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