The Indian Hotels Company Limited (500850) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 21, 2026

BSE IN Consumer Discretionary Hotels, Restaurants and Leisure earnings 61 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Indian Hotels Company Limited Earnings Conference Call for the Quarter ended 30th June 2026. On the call, we have with us Mr. Puneet Chhatwal, Managing Director and CEO, IHCL; and Mr. Ankur Dalwani, EVP and CFO, IHCL. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Puneet Chhatwal. Thank you, and over to you, Mr. Chhatwal.

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#2

Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining our global conference call for Q1 '26, '27. We are pleased to inform you that we have continued our record performance for the 17th consecutive quarter, driven by sustained growth and strategic execution despite multiple macro headwinds. I will now outline the 10 key highlights of the quarter. #1, Taj rated again India's strongest brand across all sectors. We are extremely delighted to inform you all that Taj has once again been recognized as India's strongest brand across sectors for the fifth time consecutively by independent brand valuation consultancy brand finance. Taj has truly positioned itself as a crown jewel of India, and it continues to fly the flag high for Indian hospitality on the global stage. We are very grateful to our loyal patrons and dedicated colleagues who have played an integral role in making Taj the epitome of hospitality and luxury. Taj also gained 38% in brand value as per brand finance, reaching a number close to $900 million. #2, the key performance highlights of Q1. Our consolidated revenue grew 15% year-on-year to INR 2,419 crores. EBITDA grew 18% year-on-year to INR 753 crores, yielding EBITDA margin of 31.1%. Our bottom line grew by 21%, that is our patch to INR 358 crores. Hotel segment revenue and domestic RevPAR grew at 17% and 14%, respectively. It's a very important number because the hotel segment revenue obviously not only accounts for almost 90% of our business or 87% of our business, but this also demonstrates the solidity of the business fundamentals on both operating revenue as well as our core business. These revenue figures and increases had the backing of the strength of our brandscape, diversified portfolio, but more importantly, disciplined revenue management. On the stand-alone basis, we continue to deliver strong performance with revenues growing 18% year-on-year to INR 1,298 crores and EBITDA growing by 30% to INR 542 crores, yielding an EBITDA margin of 41.8%. Our stand-alone PAT margin stood at a healthy 38%. Our performance is not defined by a single year but sustained execution over time. Over the past 4 years, we have 4 years and 1 quarter actually now, so that comes to 17 quarters. we have delivered double-digit CAGR across revenue, EBITDA, PAT and RevPAR, underscoring the consistency of our performance and the structural strength of our business model. Building on this strong foundation and sustained momentum, we remain confident of delivering double-digit growth in the year ahead. And definitely, the way Q2 has started, it makes us optimistic about doing similar or even better performance on the top line in this quarter. #3, RevPAR growth across all brands on the back of strong domestic demand. The Indian hospitality sector witnessed multiple macro headwinds during the quarter. Geopolitical tensions in West Asia resulted in elevated fuel prices, leading to reductions in airline capacity and higher airfares. All this together moderated travel demand, particularly in certain international and long-haul corridors. This is also evident with the performance of Taj versus the hotel segment. Despite these challenges, however, domestic demand remained resilient. We delivered double-digit RevPAR growth across all our brands, demonstrating the resilience of our business model and the strength of our market positioning. Our continuous focus on operating efficiencies enabled us to sustain hotel segment margins at 32.6%. This was achieved despite an additional impact of approximately INR 15 crores relating to the ramp-up of our new asset in Frankfurt, which obviously includes preopening costs also and commissioning of the new Taj Size Kitchen in Noida outside of Delhi or Delhi and CR. #4, Asset management continues to drive growth for us. Our asset management strategy continues to be a key driver and value creator. During the last financial year, we completed major upgrades across several marquee hotels, including Taj palace, New Delhi, the President in Mumbai, Rataj Western in Bengaluru and Taj [indiscernible] with over 300 rooms renovated. These investments are now translating into stronger pricing power and improved operating performance across key markets. Given that a significant part of these renovations were undertaken in the first half of last year, we expect this momentum to continue in Q2. Another good example is starch gains in Vanadis with the new 100-room wing commissioned in March 2026, turned PBT positive in its very first quarter of operations. The expansion had drive a 44% year-on-year growth in revenue while delivering an EBITDA margin of 40% in Q1. This underscores our ability to deploy capital in a disciplined manner [Audio Gap] existing assets and generate strong returns with a relatively short payback period. Moving forward to #5 is our portfolio growth. We continue to deliver industry-leading portfolio expansion [indiscernible] hotels signed and the 11 hotels opened in Q1 of this year. Notably, 17 of the 20 signings were under Gateway Ginger and 3 offline brands across new and emerging markets. This reflects our continued -- continuous focus on deepening our presence in high-growth markets through an asset-light expansion strategy. With 382 operational hotels and almost 265 hotels in the pipeline, our portfolio is now approaching the milestone of 650 hotels. As we stand today, we are at 645 figure, and we remain confident of closing this milestone during the current month itself. #6, management fee growth backed by new openings momentum. Our asset-light growth continues to translate into strong growth in management fees. During the quarter, management fee income grew by 26% to INR 168 crores from INR 133 crores in the corresponding period last year. This performance, despite temporary headwinds reinforces the resilience of our asset-light business model. When I say temporary headwinds, it's really all related to management fee income coming from our 3 hotels in Dubai and others in that part, Sri Lanka, Maldives, et cetera. Looking ahead, we remain confident of sustaining management fee growth at high teens CAGR, supported by a strong pipeline of hotel openings and incremental contributions from newly added hotels. #7, growth brands at an inflection point. We have segmented and positioned growth brands also as select service offering from ICL. And these brands comprise of ginger, human, Arma and Trade of life, and they continue to deliver very robust performance. consolidated revenue of Ginger stood at INR 183 crores, delivering 20% growth year-on-year with an EBITDA margin of 39%. Cuman has grown to 100-plus outlets across multiple formats. Arma stays and traces has reached a portfolio of 380-plus bundles with 196 in operation and Tree of life is now at 40-plus resource portfolio with 23 in operation. #8, new acquisitions contributing meaningfully. Our recent acquisitions are delivering on the strategic objectives strengthening our portfolio by creating new growth engines for the future. Following the completion of the Bridge acquisition in April this year, the portfolio of 11 operational hotels delivered revenue of INR 11 crores in the quarter, representing a growth of 42% year-on-year. With 4 additional hotels scheduled to open during the year, the business is well positioned to scale further. At Mansoon also continued its strong performance, delivered consolidated revenue of INR 19 crores in the quarter, up 19% year-on-year. During the quarter, we further strengthened the brand's growth pipeline with the signing of a managed wellness resort in Hyderabad reinforcing our leadership in the premium integrated wellness segment. These acquisitions complement our existing brand scape, diversify our revenue streams and further strengthened our long-term growth platform. #9, strong balance sheet with healthy cash reserves. Our balance sheet continues to be healthy with gross cash reserves of over INR 4,400 crores. This provides us with the flexibility to continue investing in brand and revenue-enhancing initiatives. These include hotel upgrades, expansions, greenfield developments and asset management opportunities, such as strengthening our marquee food and beverage conserve. Finally, #10, we go to Pata. staying aligned with our ESG plus plus initiative Parker. The journey towards our 2030 target remains absolutely on track. I now uses 41% energy from renewable sources and has installed over 350 EV charging stations across 170 locations in India. Continuing doing our journey of eliminating single plastic ICL has installed bottling plus at 88 tons and achieved 54% recycling of water used in the first quarter of this year. IHCL currently partners in operating 83 skill centers across 20 states in India. Since 2020, we have trained over 55,000 youth and are well on track to reach our goal of skilling 100,000-plus youth by 2030. Let me just close by giving some comments to the remainder of the year. As we look ahead, we remain confident of delivering what we have promised and guided for, which is double-digit revenue growth with sustained margins, strong cash generation and improved quality of earnings. With strong foundations in place, disciplined execution and a clear strategic direction. Indian Hotels Company is well positioned to continue creating long-term value for all stakeholders. Thank you, and we'll now be happy to take your questions.

Operator

operator
#3

[Operator Instructions] Please note that the conference call will end at 8 p.m. [Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Pratik Kumar with Jefferies.

Prateek Kumar

analyst
#4

Yes. Congratulations on another quarter of consecution action again. My question is on demand trends -- following the disruption in middle East, the moderation in our bond in international travel. Clearly, domestic tourism has benefited. But are you like seeing noticeable shift in demand trends, particularly in misestimations also. Also, particularly because as 2 of the sector is even stronger. So shift of traffic from international geographies in markets, will they see even stronger actuation in second half of the year? That was my first question.

Unknown Executive

executive
#5

Yes. Pratik, thanks for the question. So I think we've given you city trends. And if you look at the City of trend, the leisure destinations have benefited relative to the business cities. They are in high 20%, 27%, 29% for Rajaan Goa. Our big city markets hotel actually run closer to low teens to mid-teens. So in general, domestic demand has been strong across the board, but particularly strong in the lead markets of Rajasthan and Goa, and that's what comes across in the city. So I think this trend is continuing in Q2. We are not seeing any softening of that trend. July for that matter is pacing quite well for us, and we expect to deliver a very strong future as well.

Prateek Kumar

analyst
#6

Yes. So my question was actually for 3Q and , which are generally the strongest quarters for the industry and yourself -- have you seen like any -- some of your customers were like what we're looking for marriages or events like outside India historically wanting to now incrementally do it in India?

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#7

I think the wedding dates usually decided in advance. So what you're suggesting is maybe last minute picks up for bidding to happen in 3, 4 months from now, right? Or for the remainder of the year. So there is -- 1 is a blessing and the other is -- the people who want to do weddings in our palaces, they book very much in advance. So it's like paleo meals, et cetera. So that we have not seen any big change in that trend. Having said that, it is true that with the appeal of the Honorable Prime Minister, a lot of people are refraining from doing business, I mean leisure or business or whatever outside of India and are preferring to stay on the domestic front. And maybe there is another reason that the demand continued to outpace supply in the first quarter of this year, a trend which we expect to continue definitely in this quarter. But Q3, Q4, we would also like to have an increase in foreign tourist arrivals. That will be good for our portfolio, but also for the country. So only domestic will, over long term is not good. So we will make all efforts to get our fair share like what we used to have in the past. And I still feel this is the single largest hidden upside that the sector is yet to witness. Now whether it happens this year and it starts happening next year that we can only say when we get close to September, October. The time for leisure, especially and including business delegations is much stronger October to March related to the weather in India.

Prateek Kumar

analyst
#8

Yes. Sure. My third question is on your catering business. So Arnd has recently started piloting unbundled economy sales on select routes were complementing impact excluded. Does that also impact yourself also, right? And is this something which is also paying on your business in this quarter?

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#9

Not in this quarter as much as because of the West Asia crisis, the flight disruptions, cancellations, but that said, as a business for several years has been growing and got more than 50% market share of all meals in there. But having said that, the Taj side is also going into institutional catering. So normal aviation-related business. And we believe that, that business vertical will grow fast and will help navigate through any kind of headwinds we might get on the airline business. It's maybe 3 or 6 months away from getting into a double-digit number on that -- on that segment, but once we start getting to double digit and it goes to 15% to 20%, and it's a very well structured operation and business, which optimizes the use of our flight kitchens and also drives the optimization of revenue.

Operator

operator
#10

Your next question comes from the line of Sumant Kumar with Motilal.

Sumant Kumar

analyst
#11

So in standalone, we have seen the employee cost has increased early 0.6%, okay, Y-o-Y and income. So what was the key reason why the lower increase in employee cost.

Unknown Executive

executive
#12

There were some reversal we got from labor report benefits, which is the last quarter. as a result of which we had a lower cost increase. Effectively, the normal payroll is are typically 7% to 8% and that has got we have [indiscernible].

Sumant Kumar

analyst
#13

Okay. Okay. And talking about the international business, we have seen that segment is not doing good. So can you talk on how is the demand scenario panning out and the outlook for that?

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#14

International segment, we were a bit not fortunate in the last -- we spent GBP 17 million in London to do a new lobby in San James, a new bar, a new cigar lunch, Whiskey launch, doubling of the chambers. So a lot of workforce done. It was delayed by 3, 4 months because of supply chain disruptions. It's all complete, all operational as of this month and is very well received. Same thing happened in New York. We had pipe burst in the month of February, March, which put 49 rooms of the order, of course, we got some amount as business interruption insurance, but it doesn't do full just this. So half of those rooms are expected to come back in the next 2, 3 months. And the others will be completely butted in renovated. So all in all, I would say if we take out this San Francisco is coming back strong. [indiscernible] in has been very robust for us for the last few years. by the occupancy is back in the business that had the business, the total revenues, maybe like 80% and in that is Rubiales, but the under a lot of pressure is the leisure part which is on a sorting on the com is watch the revenue used to have. And -- so hopefully, they will also recover there is a direct correlation between Dubai and the West Asia prices. It also had an impact on our international business in modes because a lot of traffic in Boise, Sri Lanka including in London, and fund is routed through amperes and delineate people are psychologically afraid of going to that reason, they will not connect all there. So -- so we have some of these challenges which we need to navigate through. But all in all, everything has moved positively. And what we see in the first 3 weeks of July is also very positive development.

Sumant Kumar

analyst
#15

In the ad for tailwinds for India, which was a strong vesting some extent. -- it did impact some of our international belts. I think that's in the month, so segment below 17%. thank you.

Unknown Executive

executive
#16

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Operator

operator
#17

Your next question comes from the line of Shaleen Kumar with UBS India.

Shaleen Kumar

analyst
#18

And congratulations on a form. So paraquestions here. I was looking at our room revenue growth of 17% revenue is it -- is it because of the [indiscernible].

Unknown Executive

executive
#19

Yes, yes. So it's revenue growth is stronger than [indiscernible] It's all dependent on the Saras. So there are second half and banqueting business has been a bit muted because of the best Asian clients. The very important event what canceled in the month of May was Africa Summit, those cancelled like just a week before it was a board to convince and that had a big impact on renege business and content business in very [indiscernible]

Shaleen Kumar

analyst
#20

So -- but sir, acres we both [indiscernible] That also means that our FMC growth will to come back as the fire date will come back and might even still come back, right? So what I'm saying that that will happen and thinly would be stronger and that should help further help us top line. Is that the right way of right?

Unknown Executive

executive
#21

Yes, that is true. It's particularly as the dates come in and also the bandwidth business, the [indiscernible] is a little bit of slowdown in the government might experiment. So a fall from the fine insist. I think that should start ticking up at the latter part of trade.

Shaleen Kumar

analyst
#22

Got it. All right. And for the person as far as very strong, and I think the base is also decent for our 1Q, right?

Unknown Executive

executive
#23

I think agreement as far as base is not so strong. So should we expect even better than [indiscernible] So July is trending very strong. So I can say that to send a year on Q1, we see our -- and I think overall, Q2 on momentum should it over into Q2. So there is no very confident of achieving at least what we have located in Q1, and it's not using business given that there is no big negative. We should at least compete.

Shaleen Kumar

analyst
#24

So sir, in that case, you have achieved 14.7% growth in 1Q or 2Q is doing well. You believe you can patent performance of the growth number that is also a for although not so strong. So that should also help you all the 3 is a bit stronger. There can be a case that you have a guidance of 12% to 14% for the full year. But at least in 3 quarters, you may do better than that. So is it fair to assume that you will somewhere close the year but the upfront of the guidance or the market.

Unknown Executive

executive
#25

I answer it on a lighter note [indiscernible] I think a lot of our renovation efforts, especially both within India and outside. So they are helping us in for, as I mentioned in my opening remarks that help us in Taj Palace to a great extent. And if this starts helping us out also in the London and in the second half of the year at the PS, then of course, we can expect better results than even now.

Shaleen Kumar

analyst
#26

Sure. So how was London in July given summer and Indian cities and [indiscernible]

Unknown Executive

executive
#27

[indiscernible] is performing well, but last year, in July, we also had a very important delegation from Africa which gave us 6 extraordinary revenues. So if we are same level in London in July were marginally higher, we would be very increased because the base in July than last year was very high.

Shaleen Kumar

analyst
#28

Got it. Got it. So you answered about the Goa and what has helped within Rajasthan like a strong performance?

Unknown Executive

executive
#29

So less disposal activity on performance under conservation parts.

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#30

We took over all in that contract is also with us now. it takes time to fill it up. It's a way for you beat judgment -- but there is no gentlemen is a page and Lake wireless, they are in vehicle for us in that place. And also, of course, other hotels in Rajasthan are also doing well. [indiscernible] for sure than innovation last year. So it did suffer a bit. So General is also back in [indiscernible].

Shaleen Kumar

analyst
#31

Got it. just 1 accounting question. How will you be accounting for in complete revenue, right? And then the cost of the lease will be suborbital being up [indiscernible]?

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#32

Complete revenue by shirttail stock in September, it was again another project with delayed increased prebooking expense and increased our startup expense in [indiscernible] I have lived in the July, August and the last months, the way in holiday [indiscernible] but as temporary, we should see a very good performance. So of course, that's a very important thing that you mentioned, thanks for mentioning that. that Frankfurt will add up to our top line and our RevPAR and also profitability. After the hit we have taken in the reopening and will take also this month and next month.

Unknown Executive

executive
#33

As we covered Shantanu swing from negative to positive obviously contribution to margin that will start happening. And right now, the numbers already reflect the costs which we talked about.

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#34

So encourage you to send a note to UBS to start using it and [indiscernible]

Shaleen Kumar

analyst
#35

Yes. time my luck. -- last bit from my side, INR 4,000 crores of cash sitting on your books, right, and growing I know you have some plans but not complete. Anything else you are looking in terms of you in that?

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#36

We will use the cash -- we will keep evolving a strategic reserve and we will keep using the cash for projects, which capped very fast payback period where we get incentives, it land for a very long period of 3, 4, 5 of top line as lease on. these capital subsidies. And I don't know if you are aware that a lot of state governments have come up to 30% of the total project of subsidies. Effectively, if you get land at like long lease, and you get 30% capital subsidy, then the effective investing 50%, 55% on top of that, if you employ local people, a lot of states are inside that. making hotel investments, very good. It's not always easy to get those capital subsidiaries, but wherever possible and wherever we get, we can help us get in helping grwoth the supply and helping grow the employment, but the state also helps us by choosing them and their destination because it makes a lot of financial sense to use our cap.

Operator

operator
#37

Your next question comes from the line of Karan Khanna with Ambit Capital.

Karan Khanna

analyst
#38

Two questions from my side. Firstly, Punit, in a recent broadcast with Sangli, -- you spoke about your aspirations to expand in Southeast Asia, including Banco, Singapore, Bali as well as markets like Switzerland, And towards the end of the interval, we also spoke about evaluating opportunities in international palaces and not necessarily acquisitions. Given that context, can you talk a bit more about these aspiration? And more importantly, how international landscape as is in terms of demand drivers contracts with asset owners or let's say, those in India. And more importantly, to capital late later deploying the international markets.

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#39

Very good. So our strategy has not changed. We will work on a capital-light model and not capital [indiscernible] but our strategy to start buying hotels, whether in Southeast Asia or in New York, I also think that as mentioned Switzerland also. But if there was like a said that it needs a renovation at date of $10 million. And we have booking 5 million, 50% of it or 60% of it anything related to the trend. We will do that. and drastically in all these markets with the exception of bank book or Baier, Singapore, Switzerland, another hotel in London order. These are institutional capital-driven markets where the return expectations of institutional investors on the output increase is around 5% to 6%, 7%. And we would is that in that kind of model with the revshare opportunity. So -- so that's definitely a part of the division because it's now that we get a hotel in Southeast Asia or we get a hotel in Switzerland. Ideally, we would have started with Switzerland and not to strength. But [indiscernible] so opportunistic also and want to spend money in buying assets because that's the return you get 3%, 4%, 5%, then all the metrics go forward site like that happened in the past. So from our past, we wouldn't be doing any such thing. And -- but we remain optimistic. We've also opened a launch. The first of the 3 lodges in Kruger National Park, 2 more will follow in 12 months' time. And we will at consider this kind of roots were in trying for 1 of the big benefits going forward in a trade shares. But there are strong flights to Frankfurt from India every day from almost several key set terms of lines to Frankfurt and. And here in all supply is direct to Ford. So that should be helped in getting the strategic there. People translating maybe in trying for going further to U.S. by decide over longer term to stay back a few days. So -- but it's still not size, right? So the land is an aorta is a very different thing like London, it's a very, very strong market, especially for [indiscernible]. So we'll keep our eye on that, but can't expect us to do for protection buckets in 1 year, maybe we go forward [indiscernible]. [indiscernible] for us, it will be 1 see time as we have to absorb this growth the language challenges, tax accountability is different absorb and then take the next 1 and the rights [indiscernible].

Karan Khanna

analyst
#40

Sure. And I think in the same impact you believe the mention that as bakeware around 700 days. So just want to clarify, 700 days in the 450 is that you mentioned on Slide 22 or in a possibility of upside risk in terms of higher number of an asset. And on time line, if you could reiterate the timing for Tabanand 1 nation [indiscernible]?

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#41

2030, 2031 or on commissioned. It should -- there is some more going on something like this circumstances, which can -- it should start immediately with 450 is the right number to assume. If it becomes EUR 425 million, then it could be because we have put more days in the apartment, which -- as 6, 7, 8 days instead of the 2 or 3 plants. If it becomes more than just the way out that we put in most sudden apartments, then surplus [indiscernible] that finding, we have not done in yet. The excavation that complete like 95%, as this is on the slide. And now the building is events at some point, we will take that final decision once the designers are chosen I mean, designers means indeed desired on all the stage design becomes relevant in sales from lower fine to things will happen and so development works.

Karan Khanna

analyst
#42

And then secondly, and lastly with multiple like activities for the remainder of '27 that you've also and on Slide [indiscernible] Can you talk a bit about how are the rates in these markets and in your own hotels, less Dalianger around the evident day versus the same period last year.

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#43

Since the rates and direct functional margins in these events and the rates go up. The city is sold out in 1 event is over than the normal is -- so it helps in that particular month. for in that particular base when these events that the whether it is a cold a concert or it's tried as final or it's tournament and riser these things, they are the one-offs, they come and they help you maybe achieve if you are falling short of something else out there. But sadly speaking, the development as the previous last question, is positive -- both positive, especially for us because we had a very high basis.

Operator

operator
#44

Your next question comes from the line of Sami inwith Macquarie Capital.

Sameet Sinha

analyst
#45

Yes. [indiscernible] the M&A question -- sorry, the cash balance, we have got small contributions. I just want to understand the landscape, are there properties available that could add a significant chunk of [indiscernible] to your portfolio, India [indiscernible]. The second question is, maybe I need to go through the debt last quarter, you used to give a standalone and consolidated to continue missing etinostat side, I think once side. Is that a number that you can share?

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#46

So Slide 9, you have the occupancy rate of [indiscernible] to the and we have also the domestic focus international, there isn't a point but Europe is very different, but not in the way in tons very different. So 87% of our portfolio is domestic. So we have given those numbers on Slide 9.

Unknown Executive

executive
#47

And you can assume a similar increase in [indiscernible] seen 6% is step-up in the uncompetitive to the estate portfolio. This is the increase in the how do.

Sameet Sinha

analyst
#48

How about the consol side, you give the occupancy, not seeing that. Anyway, I'll follow up maybe.

Unknown Executive

executive
#49

And on your earlier question, when it's going I don't know answers as to there are large opportunities in our -- we continue to be in a people, but these are not easy to certify, they do take time, but at the point in take its own time.

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#50

See, one of the main reasons why we did One, we did because we got into integrated wellness, which we think is a trend that will keep getting stronger, and there was a well-established brand, which had a terrific name. I personally feel that Athma, Man and Tan's a culmination of these 3 is a wonderful name. And it was doing well, and that's why we did it. The others we did to create critical mass and scale for the Ginger brand so that it gets to 250 hotels and becomes India's largest mid-market brand. And we are well on the way in that journey. We are very pleased with what we've been able to achieve. We have a long way to go because only 40 of those amendments in the contracts have been signed. I would have preferred 50 or 60, but we would have done all of that before the end of this financial year. And many of those, I mean, conversions started. So we just don't want to change the nameplate and the since -- we want to have all the final safety issues resolved before we rebranded as anger -- we want to have the gene colors, we want to have whatever pain is needed, paper is needed. -- all paper, et cetera, those key amenities to make it look, feel like that is what we think we finished 1 conversions in operation already have already been done. So I think as of Q2, Q3, Q4, the momentum will keep increasing. If in Q1, it was 15. In Q2, it could be 20. In Q3, it could be 25 and in Q4, could be 40. So that will help Ginger get there. We didn't do these acquisitions just because there is EBITDA, there is revenue growth of so much. There was no risk. And really, it was positioning after a brand has been in operations or since the launch of Ginger, 20 years had passed and 25 since it was conceived, and it had only 50, 60, 70 hotels. So this got the scale, the rest can follow. And we have large Ginger properties, which will be opening over the next 12 to 36 months like the Ginger at Bangalore Airport and a combo with Vivanta of 350 rooms will open in 12 to 14 months. We are building a company-owned 300-room Ginger at the Mopa Airport in Goa. We are under construction with the Kolkata Airport, another large format Ginger. So they will all come. And -- but by that time, the brand awareness would have grown because of the scale of the brand.

Unknown Executive

executive
#51

Also, just to add, in the Incide portfolio, one of the things which we are going to focus and are already starting to see traction is conversion of management contracts to revenue share. So I think that's as part of the consolidation or sort of integration journey, that is a focus area for us as well. So you can also get growth from acquisitions, not necessarily from migration, but also from making them sort of bringing them in-house.

Operator

operator
#52

Your next question comes from Ashwin Kumar with [indiscernible]

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#53

First of all, going back to the leisure versus business. So you mentioned that leisure is very strong. Is it like purely because people are not able to go to international holidays? Or is it also because you think the flight rates are very high and so people are sort of giving the pitch to take the flights and that leaves them with a high budget. So what is -- how -- what the is playing there? And are you able to increase the rates in the leisure destinations given the demand is strong? Or is it purely driven by high occupancy and also? If you could give a bit of a color on that, please?

Unknown Executive

executive
#54

So I think it's obviously the domestic demand has definitely pushed up the leisure occupancy when you see that across our markets, both Goa and Rajasthan, you can see -- if I look at the Goa numbers, ARRs are up double digits comfortably and also in some properties in Rajasthan as well. And this time, there's also been a lot of occupancy-led growth. If you see the overall occupancy, they are up 6% on the base, which you saw the stand-alone numbers, which is representative of the domestic market for us. And that is after a long time, you've seen actually a big jump in the Q1 occupancy numbers. You normally don't see that big jump in Q1 occupancy. That is being driven by domestic demand. And the good thing is that this is -- seems to sustain. It will -- we are seeing good traction in Q2, like I mentioned earlier in the call, even this month and what we have the outlook for Q2, this momentum is continuing to remain strong. And then as you know, that Q3, Q4 generally are considered strong months for the leisure markets. So we expect the momentum to continue for the full year. And I think the other point on business cities is also to note that Anchal is that they have not grown at a slower rate. They've grown relatively slower, but they've also grown at a healthy pace. So Mumbai, Delhi, 12%; Bangalore, 13%. These are all very good rates, and we're very happy with that. And I think that momentum will also -- it continues to benefit from heads of state, business meetings. As government MCE comes back, we think that can only improve from here.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#55

Right. But then, I mean, going back to the first, sorry, I mean I think your properties in sort of Rajasthan and Goa and all, I think they are very high-end properties where ARRs are significantly very high and most of them are taken by the inbound international tourism, especially in the Q3 quarter. So do you think that if -- because of the fresh escalations, if inbound international tourism give it a miss, do you think you'll still be able to sort of hold the ARRs at they goes up like significantly high in the quarter? And do you think the domestic -- you'll find domestic takers for that? Or do you see there could be an impact on the ARR, especially in the Q3 if inbound international tourism sort of give it a miss or they are not able to travel?

Unknown Executive

executive
#56

Well, even in this quarter, Achal, the foreign nights or the nights sold to nonresident Indians foreigners was actually down from previous quarter of the same year. and that demand did get picked up by domestic. We'll have to see how Q3, Q4 go because that's the main quarter for foreign tourists. I think in general, our dependence on foreign tourists have gone down dramatically over the years. I've mentioned this on the call last time that for us, the demand -- the room nights sold on average is mid-20s. And I think that is where we are. We didn't even see a big dip in March actually for that. 1% here and there is something we think we can make it up from domestic demand. So it's early days. Q1, Q2, both are looking fine from making up the -- any shortfall in foreign tourists from domestic demand.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#57

Okay. On the business side, if you see all the hotels, as you mentioned, they are doing well, growing by low double digits. Just want to understand, is there a mix changing? And what I mean by that is that is it sort of driven by the increased domestic corporate activities? Or do you see the business demand from international is holding up? Or if not, then how the mix is changing, especially inbound GCC travel business versus the domestic corporates? And when we are on that, how do you see the corporate events? Do you see the increase in the corporate events or the corporate events are sort of -- by the domestic corporates have gone down?

Unknown Executive

executive
#58

So Anchal, the good thing here is that our hotels are very well positioned to take advantage of heads of state visits corporate activity, and that is what comes out in the -- and also the staycation. I think if you look at Taj Ranen or Western Taj Mansingh in Delhi, I think these are hotels where you see a lot of staycation activity also. You see occupancies are running at 95% plus. And obviously, the weekend is also going full. So I think that's -- it's a combination of all these 3, 4 trends, which shows up in the city revenues from Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore. And those are really the big sort of markets for us as far as we are concerned.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#59

Right. Finally, last question on air catering segment, where revenue was up 3%, but EBITDA was down 1%. Why was that? Is it like -- is it high fixed cost business? And can you -- how quickly can you lower your cost in case the demand remains soft in this business to protect your margins?

Unknown Executive

executive
#60

So there are 2 trends here playing out. One is that, firstly, you have to understand when the second largest player cuts capacity, it has a direct bearing on the flight catering business. And I think that for us has had a big volume impact from the flight catering side. Despite that, the flight catering business side of the business managed to grow or keep the revenues flat. The non-flight catering side of the business grew actually almost like mid-20s, but that's a little bit of a lower margin business as it's not a concession -- it's not some kind of a concession business. And therefore, the margin is a combination of the 2 coming out. And it's more of a mix thing. And of course, all cost saving measures have been deployed, and that is what the business teams are doing on the ground. But this is sort of a trend. We don't see that it will get over in this quarter. Maybe we'll have to wait for Q3 because the direct -- on the flight catering is a direct function of when the capacity comes back in India and IndiGo, because those are the 2 big players that directly impact. The other thing is also that even long-haul flights, there was an impact. So even when you see the volume mix, that also became a little adverse for this business. And all of that is resulting in this margin sort of getting impacted. And so 2, 3 factors which I mentioned. I think Q2 will be similar or somewhat similar. We'll see how that goes. And then by September, October, we will be in a better position to tell you how the full year will look like. But Q2, we are not very hopeful that things will rebound quickly.

Operator

operator
#61

Your next question comes from the line of Akash Gupta with Nomura.

Akash Gupta

analyst
#62

Congratulations on a very strong performance. So I just wanted to circle back on the occupancy front for the stand-alone business. It is at 82% versus 76% in the previous quarter. And what I'm understanding is the leisure demand has been exceptionally strong. So is that the only reason for this strong occupancy? And would it be fair to say that you are benefiting from the war contrary to what the expectations were that occupancies would go down. So what's driving this 82% occupancy?

Unknown Executive

executive
#63

That's the advantage of having a diversified business model, Akash. So last year, our international was firing today this year, domestic is firing on all cylinders. And you see that come through in our numbers that despite a soft international, we have still delivered 17% on the hotel. If I look at the city-wise data, Bombay is up 6% to 15% occupancies, Delhi is also up 2% to 12%. So it's not that only leisure destination occupancies are up. Across the board, we've seen a pickup.

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#64

We could add that every quarter, we have been talking about diversification by brand, by geography and by contract type. And although this is going beyond your question related to occupancy, but that is the key focus that management has had to mitigate any kind of volatility impacts in our business model. And with the successful scaling up of other brands besides Taj, this should help us over the next 12 to 18 months to get to our goal that we set out to achieve. And that is also shown in a lot of our portfolio. There is a slide in our investor presentation on the Slide 10, where you see that how some of the properties which have helped in our performance is also like Taj Palace. And I said that in my opening remarks, had 2 floors under renovation. Fortalgoda had a big block under renovation. So they are showing exponential growth because of a renovated product, which is high in demand and also the market, which is also giving them the thumbs up because Delhi did well and Taj Palace did very well. It's done 32% room revenue growth. and the total revenue growth of almost 24%. So it's a very, very strong performance. Same thing on Aguada, 45% growth on room revenue and 42% growth on total revenue. And it's driven a lot by occupancy in times when there are no big events, occupancy takes over. That's what I also said in the opening remarks on revenue management. And when there are events happening, that's when whether it's an AI Summit or whatever, that's when rate goes up.

Akash Gupta

analyst
#65

Understood. The second question is on the EBITDA margin for the stand-alone business. It's roughly 39% versus 35% in the 1Q FY '26. Is that mainly driven by operating leverage?

Unknown Executive

executive
#66

Yes, it is a combination of operating leverage. And of course, as you cross a certain level of revenue growth, your flow-through keeps on expanding not linearly but exponentially because effectively, the new rupee or new dollar drops to the operating line. And that is what you see in the numbers. We also...

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#67

Incremental.

Unknown Executive

executive
#68

Incremental, yes. not the growth. And the management fee, if you see, has grown quite nicely in this quarter, which is something which we have said will continue to sort of do well. And given the momentum we have on our signings and openings, and that is a very high flow-through business. Chambers has done exceedingly well in this quarter. And despite at a INR 50 lakh ticket point, we continue to see a wait list there, and maybe it is time to look at higher pricing there.

Akash Gupta

analyst
#69

Because I mean, we were already on a pretty high base on a stand-alone business from an EBITDA margin perspective. I mean, just to get a sense.

Unknown Executive

executive
#70

You should be happy, right?

Akash Gupta

analyst
#71

So that's what I'm trying to understand is what is the upside risk to our EBITDA margins? I mean, if I look at from an FY '26 perspective, how much more margin can we eventually get to?

Unknown Executive

executive
#72

I think if you step back and look at -- we don't give specific margin guidance. But generally, we have said at the beginning of the year when we did the call that there are puts and takes, and then we talked about some of those. I mean, for example, even in this quarter, we had new assets coming online. There was costs associated with those, and that's all in the numbers. We had Tarsats had a little bit of a challenging quarter. So I think despite that, margins grew by 0.5%, Hotel segment grew by 1%. So I think directionally, it is looking upwards. And I think we have to just keep that momentum going, and this is what we're seeing so far. I think if the top line follows the trajectory we've had in Q1, I think there is no reason why margins should not also follow and give a positive surprise on that one.

Operator

operator
#73

Your next question comes from the line of Rahul Jain with PhillipCapital.

Rahul Jain

analyst
#74

Congratulations on the good set of numbers. Sir, my question is regarding the stand-alone portfolio again. So again, we've delivered a 14% like-for-like growth on the domestic hotels but this also includes the renovated assets in the base, right? So if you exclude those assets, what would be the underlying growth for the stand-alone portfolio or the domestic portfolio on a like-for-like basis?

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#75

We cannot include.

Unknown Executive

executive
#76

Sir, as the comment says, it includes the -- if you look at Slide 9, it excludes the assets which were under renovation last year. So Palace is not included and Fort Ward is not included. And Blue Diamond and Cal are not included. These are the 4 assets which are basically under renovation. So we have given you an apple-to-apple comparison.

Rahul Jain

analyst
#77

Understood. Understood. [indiscernible].

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#78

I was suggesting. So they will be -- you have to also assume we have given the guidance on CapEx, and we have always said how much is routine CapEx and how much is the expansion of greenfield CapEx. So if every year, you're spending INR 500 crores, INR 600 crores on your routine CapEx going forward, then something is always under renovation and something will get renovated the next year, in the following year. So that part actually helps to drive long-term growth and helps you to retain market share.

Operator

operator
#79

Ladies and gentlemen, we will take that as the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Puneet Chhatwal for closing comments.

Puneet Chhatwal

executive
#80

Thank you, everyone, for joining our quarter 1 results call today, and we look forward to offline conversations should anyone have any questions and also to the next quarter results with all of you in October. Thank you very much, and have a wonderful evening.

Operator

operator
#81

Thank you, members of the management. On behalf of the Indian Hotels Company Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you, everyone, for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.

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