Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc. (TMO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 10, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Andrew Warmington
attendeeHello, and thank you for joining us today for this webinar, Mastering Analytical Methods for Failsafe PPQ, which is brought to you by Script and sponsored by Thermo Fisher Scientific. My name is Andrew Warmington. I'm the manufacturing Editor at Sightline, and I'll be your moderator today. Before we jump into the presentation, let's first go over some housekeeping items. [Operator Instructions] Because we know you want to listen to this webinar again, the session is being recorded and will be available to view on demand in about 48 hours' time. I'd now like to introduce our speakers for today's session. First, Christy Eatmon is the Global Subject Matter Expert for Sterile Drug Products at Patheon, which is part of Thermo Fisher Scientific. Christy supports the global sales and businesses development teams in providing technical support, designing strategies and supporting new business opportunities for Thermo Fisher Sterile Manufacturing business. She has more than 14 years of experience in the pharmaceutical industry with an emphasis on process engineering, product development, aseptic manufacturing and filling. She also has working knowledge of all phases from drug discovery to sterile product commercial manufacturing with expertise in the sterile formulation of small and large molecules. Previously, Christy supported the site at Greenville, North Carolina as a senior principal scientist in the pharmaceutical development services area. Secondly, Nolan Dean is the R&D and Manufacturing Scientist at Thermo Fisher Scientific. Nolan is a Staff Scientist for BioAnalytical Development Group at the site in Greenville. He has 6 years of experience with Thermo Fisher and 15 years of experience in pharmaceutical method development and validation with a focus on chromatography for large and smaller molecules. We also have Dr. Katherine Hanson, Associate Director for GMP Laboratory Services at PPD, which is also part of Thermo Fisher Scientific. Katherine has more than 10 years of experience in the CMC space, with an emphasis on method development and validation. She's worked on products from early formulation studies to commercial registration. Katherine earned a BSC in Biochemistry from Michigan State University and a PhD in Biochemistry from the University of Wisconsin-Madison with a focus on protein engineering and X-ray crystallography. She currently oversees a team of more than 115 people in performing analytical method development and routine testing on a variety of small molecule and biologic products. Previously, she oversaw a team dedicated to development and validation of analytical methods for biologics and cell and gene therapy products. Ryan Uding finally is Manager of Analytical and Formulation Scientist at Thermo Fisher Scientific. Ryan is an Analytical Development Subject Matter Expert with 15 years of industry experience. He received his Master's Degree in Chemistry from the University of Missouri at St. Louis and has a strong background in passion for mathematics and statistics. Beginning his career in method development, he utilized QbD tools for over a decade to develop robust and rugged methods to support early to late phase processes. In his current role, he drives the approaches used for method development, phase appropriate validation and method transfer as well as supported process developments and characterization. And with that, I'd like to hand things over to Christy, Nolan, Katherine and Ryan, the floor is yours.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thank you so much, Andrew, and thanks, everyone, for joining our webinar today. This is our third webinar in a series of preparing for PPQ and executing PPQ. So we already discussed late-stage planning. We discussed execution of PPQ from an operation standpoint and a regulatory standpoint, both for large molecule drug substance and aseptic sterile drug product. And today, for the third and final webinar, we'll be having an analytical focus as we were brainstorming about what to discuss in these webinars. We thought, well, it might be good to focus on analytical for one of the webinars as sometimes those are [indiscernible] from an operations background or from a CMC perspective, we often take analytical for granted or just expect analytical to be there for us when we need them. And the truth is that this team is working diligently behind the scenes to ensure that they're not the bottleneck to ensure that their methods are up to snuff and meet all the regulatory requirements and really the analytical necessity for us in the operations space to understand that we have robust processes that we can repeat our processes that everything is in control and that we can validate our processes and our production. So today, we'll discuss analytical for specifically biologic drug products and drug substances and discuss what we need to do to ensure that we execute PPQ flawlessly. So to get us started, I'll pick on Ryan. So Ryan, can you just get us started with some background on how we identify what analytical method should be in our panel of assays for release testing and IPCs and maybe a little bit about specifically what analytical tests are performed on a large molecule biologics.
Ryan Uding
executiveSure, happy to. There are generally understood specifications supplied in most biologics and categories for these are outlined in ICH Q6. These include characteristics such as appearance, concentration, pH and osmolality. We have identity methods, typically done by peptide mapping by late stage. Then there are product purity assays, which are comprised of a variety of techniques. These include charge variance by [ indiscernible] Ion Exchange, assays which measure purity and product-related impurity such as size exclusion for aggregates and capillary electrophoresis for fragmentation. Next, we have process-related impurities including HCP and residual protein A. These are done by [indiscernible] residual cDNA by qPCR. Finally, we have product-related potency, activity methods as well as cell-based assays. We also regularly encounter test for excipients, stability, microbial testing, particulates and container closure-related assays to name a few others. Identifying the assays in the appropriate analytical methods can be related back to the process development stage. Critical and quality attributes for the product are identified through process development activities with prior knowledge, for degradation and stability studies as well as processes and product characterization. These CQAs are the physical, chemical and biological characteristics, which must be maintained within defined limits to ensure the desired quality is achieved. From CQA, we define the analytical target profile, which includes the intended purpose and required performance criteria such as specificity, precision and accuracy. And the ATP is used to select the appropriate technique and lays a foundation for method development and validation.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thanks so much, Ryan, for that introduction. Katherine, over to you, can you help us understand how we prepare these methods for PPQ and when we need to have commercial-ready methods?
Katherine Hanson
executiveSure. So ideally, the methods are commercial ready, meaning that they've been fully validated prior to the PPQ testing. And this ensures that data can be trended and compared between the PPQ batches and any future commercial batches.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thanks. Let's move on to talk a little bit about validation strategy. So over to Nolan. Nolan, can you help us understand how we demonstrate that analytical methods are suitable and what parameters need to be assessed?
Nolan Dean
executiveYes. As Ryan indicated, analytical methods are developed in alignment with the anticipated batch quality assessment. So working off of that analytical target profile, the method first goes through an evaluation to make sure we'll meet the design criteria. Once that basic method has been developed, it goes through next up, optimization to identify the best operating conditions. Now this optimization can include modifications to the equipment and instrument, the materials used, including the capillary or columns as well as the preparation and extraction steps. Once the optimized method has been developed, it goes through a robustness study just to confirm that the optimization worked. Now once you've got a well-operating method, you move on to your phase appropriate validation. So if your qualitative methods, these are your ID methods like as Ryan mentioned, peptide mapping and also CIF and others, you typically look at specificity and robustness, if you didn't perform robustness during development. And then again, you might do precision depending upon if the method has a source of variability in the sample prep or measurement that should be assessed as part of the validation. Your quantitative methods, these are your assays and purity methods against CIF, CGE, UV, others, need to go through a much more robust full validation for specificity, linearity, accuracy and precision and robustness. And these methods should also include the analytical methods for your solubilizers and stabilizers and other additives that might go into your bulk drug substance. It should be noted that stability indicating methods, these are the ones that assess the purity and [ degradation ] in the material. Those should also go through a Forced Degradation Specificity Study as well as an LOQ and LOD assessment as part of validation. And for these stability-indicating methods, it's best to include either a degraded or spike sample for the precision and robustness studies to ensure that you're able to indicate or -- sorry, to measure those impurities during true sample testing. Ryan, do you have anything you'd like to add?
Ryan Uding
executiveYes. A little bit more about optimization and development. So as you mentioned, with the goal of a robust and rugged method, we begin to pursue as early as method development by employing analytical quality by design approaches. Typically, these include screening designs aimed at identifying critical variables and main effects as well as multivariate use, partial factorials and response designs, all which helped to identify the presence and understand the importance of interactions between variables. These approaches enable method developers to make statistically based decisions and are often more efficient by obtaining a lot of information about being data dense. These types of studies help link the ranges of instrument operating parameters, sample preparation conditions and chromatography settings to variations observed in method performance, ultimately creating a model that can predict the performance over a range of conditions also known as the method design space. They can also provide the basis for setting appropriate system suitability criteria to ensure proper method control and indicate when the method is performing outside this design space. Another example of the tools used is the Monte Carlo simulation or other forecasting models. These use the expected variability of key factors that can affect method performance to understand the probability of future outcomes such as invalid rates or assess the method's ability to support predetermined performance criteria.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thanks, guys, for those insights. Moving a little bit to regulations. Katherine, maybe you can start us off in talking about how regulations have changed recently and how those regulations provide better risk mitigation in the development process?
Katherine Hanson
executiveSo to me, the biggest change is ICH Q14, which is anticipated to come out later this year. ICH Q14 provides a great framework for developing robust, well-characterized methods through analytical quality by design, particularly by leveraging risk-based assessments combined with the design of experiments or DOE. So these tools allow for very efficient evaluation of multiple factors with minimal experimental work and allows you to detect factors which influence each other, which you cannot do in a more traditional one factor at a time of evaluation. In addition, companies who opt to all this enhanced approach, gain additional flexibility in certain modifications to their commercial methods. Thermo Fisher has prepared for this change by ensuring we have SOPs in place around this guidance as well as the software and the personnel with expertise necessary to execute on enhancement development.
Christy Eatmon
executiveNolan, do you have anything in addition to add to this?
Nolan Dean
executiveYes. The new ICH Q14 guidance doesn't just focus on the QbD aspect of development, but it also includes the need to monitor and continually improve your methods. Now this is going to require all the pharmaceutical companies out there to develop new SOPs and new procedures for how they're going to do this. The first speaking, how are they going to monitor their method? So how are you going to track its performance over the lifespan of the product being out on the market? How are you going to track the rate of the system, suitability failures, the rate of true and false, OS results as well as the impact to your company through column and capillary lifetime? Is your method of doing undue stress on the materials used to perform the test? So after you've got that procedure, you need your procedure for life cycle risk assessment. So looking at the data you're collecting on your method as well as the development and validation you previously performed, how often is your company going to need to redevelop or reevaluate or revalidate portions of that analytical method. And the last one is going to be an improvement to your technique and instrument modification procedures. How often are you going to look on the market and refurbish the equipment you're using for testing? How often are you going to look out on the market for different types of detection modes, a new detector here, a new detector there? And lastly, how often are you going to go back to your analytical method and look out there for orthogonal techniques that could be used to enhance the data you're generating on your sample. I think the ICH is including this because in the past, in the pharmaceutical industry, it was tend to be a plan to, once you validate your methods, analytical work is essentially done. You just go forward in your QC environment. And they don't like that approach because it doesn't force its clients to modernize and discover more information about their product as time goes on.
Christy Eatmon
executiveAnd Nolan, just real quick to jump in there. You talked a lot about needing to revamp your methods. Again, the ICH Q14, if you follow the enhanced approach allows you a more flexible ability to modify those methods in the future without potentially going through a complete revalidation, saving companies a lot of time and money.
Nolan Dean
executiveI do agree. The more time you put in earlier into your methods, the less often you will need to reevaluate it and revalidate those methods because you will have optimized them with the best possible equipment and analytics at the beginning. Another change recently in the regulatory guidance is the issue of Revision 2 to ICH Q2. So this guidance has been published or will be published soon, but it hasn't significantly changed the validation requirements. Those are essentially staying the same, but there are some important additional information that's been out of the session to clarify the expectation of these method validation studies. So some changes worth mentioning are risk assessments for methods and how often they'll need revalidation. So again, that goes back to what we just talked about previously. Additionally, several studies have had different potential study designs presented to help the person drafting the validation protocol. They could use different types of experiments depending upon their method and they'll still be considered ICH compliant. The last significant change is that robustness and system suitability are mostly removed from Q2 because those assessments have been added to Q14 and robustness as well as the definition of system suitability and the ongoing monitoring of that has been moved to Q14.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thanks, Nolan, that's really descriptive and helps us understand the guidelines which I know sometimes are the difficult part for me to understand, right? I can understand the methods of how we run instruments and how they work, but understanding all the ins and outs of the regulatory landscape can be quite a challenge. Can you also help us understand what actually changes as we get closer to commercialization, right? We've established that in previous webinars we've established, we need methods, commercial ready by Phase III. But what actually changes as we go forward to commercialization?
Nolan Dean
executiveSure. So I'm going to kind of reference this back to what we've been talking about. But the previous way we went forward from early phase to commercial was not a great deal of effort was put into analytical methods in early phase. There'd be a rough development, maybe a small optimization and then you go forward into your early phase validation. And then you step up that evaluation and validation as you went through future phases, basically, each new phase would be a stock gate to revalidate the method or supplementally validated to add additional studies. Now the downside of that approach is that method issues are not discovered at the beginning of it, but later during project transitions, which means as you step up to maybe Phase III or commercial, you could find a significant flow with your method that were required you to go back and start over, redevelop and optimize, which is not something you want to do when you get to the late stage which is why the new ICH Q14 style was so much better. You put a lot of effort in early phase because you know exactly the profile of the material you're looking to test. So you know exactly how the method should perform. The more effort you put in earlier, you can basically go through each of those stages, knowing your method had already passed them before you get to them.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thanks for that. And I know we have folks here from DS and DP. I'm a DP person. Nolan, can you maybe describe some of the differences, what methods would be specific for DP compared to DS? And maybe a little bit about why we can always just transfer methods as they are from DS and DP. I know that's a question that we get a lot from customers and really not understanding why we have to revalidate for drug product if we've already validated for drug substance.
Nolan Dean
executiveSure. So most analytical method is for identification, assay and purity and impurities, are transferable to drug product, maybe with some minor modifications. So typically, when moving from one site to another, you're going to have different instruments, different procedures. And so the more effort you put into the robustness of the ICH Q14 guidance, the easier those transfers are going to be because you will have already done a lot of assessment of that method and now it's fairly transferable. Now drug product methods, they have to take into account a different container closure system than the drug substance. Typically, drug substance is packaged to bulk. And as we know, drug products were put into prefilled syringes and vials of various types and sizes. So you have to look at the different degradation as well as extractables and leachables that can come from those different container closures. Now methods are usually also evaluated for drug products at slightly higher storage conditions than drug substance. Drug substances that are biologic are typically stored frozen, and maybe they evaluate 2 to 8, but out on the market, the products have to be stable at refrigerated conditions as well as [ refrigerated ] in some climates at an accelerated or higher room temperature setting. So we have to do those additional stability studies, and therefore, the methods have to be shown to be robust for those types of samples being tested at late stage and higher storage conditions. Another thing is that as part of the product moving forward in phase and going on to commercialization is that the drug product needs to be stable during administration and dosing. So your analytical methods will need to be assessed to verify that as the product is dosed into the patient either directly into the patient through the syringe and needle or administered through an infusion or IV bag, the product needs to be stable in that administration medium and the administration materials to show that the product can then make its way into the patient without being degraded by the process itself. Ryan, do you have anything you want to add to that one?
Ryan Uding
executiveYes. And just as you mentioned, considerations for the drug substance and drug products. For drug substance, we have other things that probably are more related to the process. So protein, residual protein A, DNA. These types of methods, you'll find those on drug specifications and release, but of course, moving to drug product, depending on the process in there, you will see those absence. So just another few differences between the two DS and DP sites and expectations for analytical methods.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thanks guys for helping us to understand a bit more about that. And Katherine, I wanted to follow up on something that you said before about the regulatory compliance, and we know we have to be in compliance with other regulations. Can you explain a little bit more about how we ensure that we are meeting all the regulatory requirements and what to do as those requirements change over time?
Katherine Hanson
executiveSo I guess my number one recommendation would be to work with a partner who's got prior experience in two areas. Number one is working with products in the commercial phase and then number two is working with the type of molecule that you are hoping to work with. So speaking to the commercialization, look for a partner who understands the differences between what's expected for a late-phase validation versus an early phase validation, which may also be called a qualification, look for a partner who's got a strong understanding of control strategies and quality systems that have been audited as part of the BLA filing, a PI inspection, for example. So the second piece, look for a partner who's familiar with the molecule type you're working with. Especially for biologics, a lot of the method requirements are not well defined within the guidances. So accuracy and precision for requirements. For example, companies with experience in this area will be able to help guide you on what are the limitations of the current instrumentation as well as what are acceptable industry trends in this area.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thanks so much. So let's move on a little bit to how we manage between sites and between departments. So there's a large amount of collaboration that we need to tap in between sites and between teams. So Katherine, can you explain a little bit about that, about how you and your team handle cross-functional communication and collaboration between sites specifically as you're moving to validation and commercialization.
Katherine Hanson
executiveAbsolutely. So we often see testing methods that need to be performed by multiple sites or groups. Common reasons that this may occur are things such as transfer the methods from the development lab to the commercial lab, transfer of methods from a client to a CDMO. And we also see clients that have methods at multiple sites potentially to increase [ capacity ] as well as to provide contingency planning. Ryan, do you want to talk a little bit about the transfer process?
Ryan Uding
executiveSure. Absolutely. So speaking to the method transfer process itself, transfers do come with their own challenges, which can include differences in instrumentation and software, availability of reagents and of course, training. The initial step of the transfer should include a risk assessment where these gaps can be identified and claims determined to remediate. This also includes a review of the performance history of the method and often you'll find in development qualification and validation reports. And similar to method validation, since transfers are protocol-driven, this information provides the basis for the design and acceptance criteria. The risk assessment is a very important step in the transfer process and when done thoroughly can help derisk the entire activity. Additionally, training and feasibility runs are recommended to ensure complete knowledge transfer and highlight any gaps in the procedure where sufficient detail is lacking. Transfer approach can be done in a few ways based on the stage of situation. One approach about comparative testing where the transferring and receiving labs both test the same samples and the results are compared. Here, we typically look for bias and assess differences and precision between the labs. And generally, in this case, the method was previously validated and the transferring was able to participate. The next step of transfers co-validation. This is a very useful approach where the receiving lab participates in the validation typically in reproducibility. This approach is often used between drug substance and drug product testing labs and between the development and commercial manufacturing sites. And the third scenario involves partial revalidation where the receiving lab executes certain aspects of the validation performed before. What needs to be revalidated as determined through the risk assessment process and may be based around performance attributes that can be impacted by the transfer or is determined that the previous validation activities were insufficient and supplemental work is needed. And lastly, regardless of any approach used, the success of method transfer can be greatly increased through the development of a robust method. The more understood about the methods of performance in its design space aids in a more seamless transfer process overall.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thanks, Ryan, and thanks to everyone, for answering all those questions. One final question and each of you can give an answer. As we look ahead into the landscape of the biopharmaceutical industry and methods continue to evolve, regulations continue to evolve, how do you foresee the methods changing when it comes to PPQ when validation and commercialization over the next several years?
Katherine Hanson
executiveYes. I can start us off. I see a future state where clients are further embracing analytical quality by design principles and using the enhanced method development process outlined in ICH Q14 to drive more robust methods with the method life cycle that includes continued updates to improve the method. Ryan, can I pass it to you.
Ryan Uding
executiveAbsolutely. Looking ahead of some changes in techniques, innovation and manufacturing requires a mature response in the analytical space. Approaches, including mass spectrometry-based multi-attribute methods, process analytical technology and the incorporation of automation and traditional methods already exist to some degree and expect that its importance will continue to grow. Mass spec methods are commonly used during process development, characterization and comparability studies, and they can provide information on CQA similar to traditional methods such as glycosylation and charge variance. However, the challenge is to move these methods into quality control revolver on the complexity of the methods, appropriate validation approaches as well as the training and expertise required to analyze the data. Another change we may see is the growing use of process analytical technology, particularly the use of in-line, online and outline testing. Instead of this measurement process parameters such as temperature and pressure, these real-time assays aims to measure attributes of the product with the goal of enabling better process control. So these tools, such as Raman spectroscopy might change what is required for product at least in the future. And lastly, we also seek to improve the performance of traditional methods through the use of automation and automated processes. We typically think of automation as being useful for high-throughput tasks, but it can also be applied to analytical procedures to improve precision and remove the human element for more consistent performance. Nolan, would you like to add?
Nolan Dean
executiveSure. So as a chromatography person, I've had -- very excited about the new bio inactive surfaces that are coming out for columns and instruments. That's a bit of a catch-up that the HPLC and UHPL industry had to do to catch up to the large molecule market. Additionally, the existing detectors that have been around for a while, like UVs and DADs have gone through a lot of enhanced sensitivity in redesign throughout the years as well as the pumps for those instruments and the injectors reducing the noise significantly. So what that's led to is our ability to better separate it and detect product-related substances, formulation components and degradants from the product itself. So those changes have allowed us to basically better assess the product quality, which leads to the detection of batch quality issues earlier and earlier in the testing cycle, used to be you couldn't really find out a product issue until you got the late-stage stability where impurities have grown significantly. Now with the enhanced detection and the reduced noise, we can see a lot of things more easily earlier on than we could in the past. So what that basically leads to is that our ability to assess a product and, therefore, protect the patient safety has improved significantly over the last years, specifically for large molecule projects.
Christy Eatmon
executiveGreat. Thanks, Nolan, and thanks for bringing it back to patients, right? Because that's why we do what we do. It's all about providing high-quality product to our patients and robust analytical methods is one way that we do that, right, but we prove that we have a good product where it's within specifications and that it's safe for our patients. So again, thanks, everyone, for answering all the questions. I'll pass it back to Andrew for Q&A.
Andrew Warmington
attendeeYes. Thank you, everybody, for that interesting presentation. A few people have already submitted questions. So let's jump right into those. So firstly, what if my pipeline has several similar products? Is there a way to leverage development knowledge from one product to another? Who wants to take that.
Katherine Hanson
executiveI can start us off. So there are times where you can leverage an analytical method from one product to another. There are two things you need to consider. One, you need to consider how similar the products themselves are. So is the backbone of a viral vector the same? Are we looking at the same overall mAb. The second piece that a lot of people forget about, too, is you need to make sure that you're using the same process for manufacturing. So any changes in the buffer in your manufacturing process, they also mean that a method from one molecule does not apply to a second, Ryan or Nolan, did you want to add anything here?
Nolan Dean
executiveI was going to give Ryan a [indiscernible] in case he want to step in first. As we said earlier in the ICH Q14 discussions, the more optimized the method is, the better it is for a specific product. That doesn't mean necessarily that the method cannot apply to another, but you would want to go through if you're going to use that method for a different product and just do a quick test before you go forward using it, just to verify that the optimization you performed for product A still applies for Product B.
Andrew Warmington
attendeeOkay. In that case, second question is what happens with methods post PPQ? When and how are these methods updated? Who wants to come in first on that one?
Nolan Dean
executiveI can speak to that one. So modifications to methods after filing are typically done via change control. And these are done when either a method required revalidation based off the risk assessment or a problem was found in the method needing revalidation. So you initiate your change control process to revise your method. Typically, you put a controlled strategy in place that you can continue testing until the new method is ready to be used. And then once the new method is done, you do a bridging study to show that the new method or most likely modified original method either performs equally or superiorly to the previously being used method. And then once that's done, you can continue for testing with the new method, assuming you refile with the regulatory agencies where the product is being used.
Andrew Warmington
attendeeThank you. Anyone else? No. Then the next question is, what if you're in late stage, but your methods are not as robust as needed?
Nolan Dean
executiveSo that's basically very similar to the previous question. If your method isn't robust and needs to be, then you're going to have to go back and do some optimization of that method. So it's a similar plan. You put a control strategy in place to allow continue using the method maybe with restrictions to ensure that the method stays within the operating range. And therefore, you can continue doing your release and stability because you need to continue getting the product out there to the patients. While you're going forward with that, you'll redevelop or reoptimize, revalidate whichever of those is required to shore up the robustness of the analytical method. Once that's done, you move forward into the revalidating based off your risk assessment to justify exactly how much validation is required based off the method changes. Once the method has been validated, you go in and do that comparative or bridging study just to show the equivalence of your superiority of the new or revised method. And then the same process, your change control drives swapping the methods out, continuing forward with the new method and refiling with the regulatory agencies. It should be noted that depending upon the data you're generating with that, you may need to continue the existing stability studies out with both methods. And then new and methods -- or new products would just be able to go forward with the revised method.
Andrew Warmington
attendeeGreat. Thank you. Then on that note, I'm afraid we've ran out of time. So I'd like to thank our speakers, Christy Eatmon, Nolan Dean, Katherine Hanson and Ryan Uding for that great presentation and also our sponsor Thermo Fisher Scientific for making this event possible. On behalf of Thermo Fisher Scientific and Citeline, have a productive remainder of the day and thank you for watching.
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