Titanium Transportation Group Inc. (TTNM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

March 9, 2022

Toronto Stock Exchange CA Industrials Air Freight and Logistics earnings 48 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Titanium Transportation Group's Q4 2021 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] On today's call, we have Ted Daniel, President and Chief Executive Officer; Alex Fu, Chief Financial Officer; and Marilyn Daniel, Chief Operating Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made on this call today may be forward-looking. In that regard, please refer to the risk factors and cautionary provisions outlined in the press release issued by the company yesterday as well as the filings made by Titanium on SEDAR. Please note that today's call is being recorded today, March 9, 2022. A replay of this call will be made available until midnight on March 23, 2022. Details of the replay can be found on our website under the Investors section. I would now like to turn the call over to Titanium's President and CEO, Ted Daniel.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#2

Good morning, and thank you, operator, and thank you for joining us to discuss fourth quarter results and our outlook for the full year 2022. With me on the call today is Titanium's CFO, Alex Fu; and COO, Marilyn Daniel. We ended 2021 on a high note with fourth quarter results that caps a year of records and transformational achievements for Titanium. I'm proud to report we achieved the highest full year revenue in the company's history at just a sliver under $400 million, that being roughly double the $200 million in revenue achieved in 2020. Our results for 2021 were above expectations, which I'm proud of, but equally important is that we're also well ahead of our growth plan targets that we set 3 years ago. This success, despite a continued challenging environment, as a result of our focus and execution on delivering organic growth, our disciplined approach to acquisitions, U.S. expansion and our ongoing commitment to productivity and efficiency with investments in technology. I'm very pleased to announce that for the fourth quarter of 2021, Titanium delivered another record quarter with revenues of $111.3 million, an increase of 69.1% over the fourth quarter of 2020. Without a doubt, our continued success would not have been possible if not for the steadfast commitment of all our team members, whose focus on our business and support of our customers' needs is critical to delivering our results. 2021 was a challenging environment for most industries as the pandemic and associated restrictions continue to impact the economy and operating conditions. Titanium's focus on building a robust and versatile platform supported our ability to successfully navigate the challenging environment, support our customers and deliver strong organic growth. In addition, notwithstanding the environment, we executed on our acquisition growth strategy, closing the largest transaction since our inception with the acquisition of International Truckload Services. More recently, we announced the acquisition of Bert and Son’s Cartage, supporting our ability to continue to execute on strategic targets that support our rapidly growing footprint. Throughout 2021, we successfully invested in the development and expansion of our U.S. Logistics business in key markets, capitalizing on access to the North American supply chain demand. We successfully added 2 new operations, including dedicated teams with local expertise in Chicago and Denver, expanding our U.S. freight brokerage platform to 4 markets. In addition, last week, we announced the start of our fifth U.S. operation in Atlanta, Georgia, as we continue to expand with our U.S. rollout. Our strategy and execution delivered a year of significant growth. The Trucking segment posted revenue of $44.5 million in the fourth quarter and $171.2 million for the year, representing a 66% and 61% growth, respectively. For the fourth quarter, ITS contributed $15.8 million of revenue to the segment with a total for the year of $60.9 million, reflecting only 11 months of operations. In the Logistics business, fourth quarter revenue of $68.1 million was up 68.6%, while full year revenue of $232.3 million is up for more than twofold from $99 million in 2020. With the strong performance across our business and our acquisition full year 2021 adjusted EBITDA was $31.3 million, up 35.5% from 2020. This is net of absorbing $2.5 million in direct acquisition-related expenses mainly in the second quarter, which are nonrecurring. Excluding these direct acquisition-related costs, adjusted EBITDA was $33.5 million, in line with our expectations. EBITDA performance continued to be impacted by the addition of ITS and costs associated with the acquisition and integration. However, performance has improved over the last quarter as the integration of the business advances and efforts to realize cost savings, improve productivity and deliver results. The industry is bearing cost pressures from higher fuel and operating costs with some supply chain constraints, delaying the supply of new equipment. We continue to address these challenges with ongoing focus on productivity and efficiency in our operations as well as efforts to pass through appropriate price increases to customers. Most customers understand the current realities of the marketplace, and we continue to work constructively and transparently to achieve fair outcomes and support our growing customer base. While the fourth quarter reflects some of these efforts, most pricing activity takes effect with a lag, and we would expect to see more progress in the first half of 2022 results. Turning to the integration of ITS. Most of the major systems integration milestones have been achieved with good success. We continue to work to upgrade the equipment consistent with the broader higher fleet standards at Titanium. However, as mentioned, we are experiencing some delays with respect to equipment deliveries. As a result of good planning, we are on target to receive over 100 tractors and about 250 trailers before the end of this year. As we look ahead to 2020, a number of challenges continue to confront the industry -- sorry, 2022, a number of challenges continue to confront the industry. We remain vigilant in managing the uncertainty resulting from the pandemic and macroeconomic challenges with industry-leading navigation tools. The economy continues to evolve with respect to significant inflationary pressures and ongoing challenges in the global supply chain. Titanium remains exceptionally well positioned to navigate these conditions with scalable technology-based platforms and deliver logistics solutions for our customers, coupled with an experienced team. As Alex will discuss in a minute, we continue to manage our pricing proactively with our customers to address evolving industry costs, supported by the efficiency of our transparent platforms. Overall, Titanium is well positioned to leverage our capacity and expertise as we move through 2022. We believe our investments in people and technology allows us to continue to drive organic growth, even in challenging conditions. For the coming year, I'm pleased to report that we expect to deliver between $450 million to $470 million in top line revenue and between $38 million to $43 million in EBITDA. In addition, with a solid balance sheet and disciplined focus, we remain committed to exploring further acquisition opportunities as they arise in 2022. Turning to our operating results for the quarter and review the numbers in more detail, I'll turn the call over to Alex.

Kit Chun

executive
#3

Thanks, Ted. Our fourth quarter results reflect a strong finish to a very successful year for Titanium fueled by organic growth and acquisitions. Both operating segments reported significantly higher revenue and EBITDA for the quarter and the full year. Total quarterly revenue of $111.3 million was up $45.5 million or 69% from the year earlier quarter. Record quarterly revenue was again achieved through significant progress in both of Titanium's operating segments. Consolidated quarterly EBITDA was $8.8 million for the quarter, up 35.3% from a year ago. For the full year, total revenue of $399.4 million was up nearly double from the $200.7 million in 2020. Full year EBITDA of $31.3 million was up 35.5% from $23.2 million reported in 2020. Reported net income per share on a diluted basis was $0.04 for the quarter and $0.12 for the year. Turning to the segments. Overall, the Logistics segment delivered revenue of $68.1 million in the quarter, up from $40.4 million a year ago, an increase of 68.6% and a record for the quarterly revenue for the segment. The Logistics segment continued to benefit from both our strategic investment in the U.S. Logistics business and our success in the Canadian operations. The U.S. Logistics segment contributed $44.6 million to revenue in the quarter compared to just $24.2 million a year ago. The Canadian operations also delivered improved results during the back end of the year. Ongoing economic recovery and gradual easing of COVID-related restrictions supported increased activity levels. As a result, the Canadian segment saw revenue increase by 45.5% to $23.6 million from $16.2 million in 2020. Segmented EBITDA for the quarter came in at $4.8 million, up roughly $1.6 million from a year ago. We've executed well on our strategic decision to invest in our U.S. Logistics business, and we expect the segment to continue to deliver strong growth in 2022. Turning to the Truck Transportation segment. Revenues during the quarter were $44.5 million, up $17.7 million from a year ago also a record for the quarterly revenue for the business. Segmented EBITDA was $4.8 million for the quarter compared to $3.8 million in the same quarter a year ago, with EBITDA margin of 12.3%. Given the strength of our capital position and our confidence in the earnings outlook, we maintain our dividend, declaring a dividend of $0.02 per common share subsequent to the fourth quarter. I would now like to turn the call back over to Ted.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#4

Thank you, Alex. 2021 was definitely a transformative year for Titanium. We made significant progress in our strategic build-out of our U.S. Logistics platform, which we plan to continue to grow. We successfully completed the acquisition and integration of the largest acquisition in the company's history, and we continue to deliver organic growth in our core platform as the operating environment recovered. Titanium is entering 2022 with excellent momentum on solid footing. Both our Trucking and Logistics businesses in Canada and the U.S. are well positioned to benefit from the expected continued recovery in economic conditions and easing of operating restrictions. By all accounts, there is significant backlog in the global supply chain, which should continue to support robust demand for Logistics and Transportation services. Titanium is empowered and equipped with the tools to address cost challenges as we continue to deliver for our customers. With our people, technology and robust platform, we expect Titanium to punch above our weight class and deliver another year of profitable organic growth in 2022, with additional upside from the potential to pursue additional accretive opportunities. We want to thank everyone on our team for their continued focus, and I want to thank all our customers for trusting us with their business. With that, I'll turn it over back to the operator to open the lines for questions.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from David Ocampo of Cormark.

David Ocampo

analyst
#6

Ted, my first question is on the fuel price environment. I understand you guys have surcharges in place. But is there a lag in there where you could see a bit of a headwind either in Q1 and Q2? Or how does that dynamic play out as the year progresses?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#7

Yes. There is a lag. So what happens, for example, is if fuel is increasing, then the fuel chart that customers use, let's say, in their contracts. And you really have to split this question into the 2 segments, right, into Logistics, which is more driven by the elasticity of the spot market versus a contract environment, which is in Trucking, which tends to be a little bit more stable. So I mean, dealing with the contractual side, you've got fuel tables. And some customers have fuel tables that are -- whether it's 70% of FCA or 30% of DOE or whatever, and it's based on prior month's average published whatever price of fuel, et cetera, et cetera. So there is -- there's certainly a lag and of course, what we're doing is we're addressing that by having regular at this point in time, technologically, we're all over that on a progressive basis so that we're giving ourselves the buffer in order to address those issues very quickly. In addition, you still have some customers that like all-in rates. So obviously, now those customers are being approached on a regular basis far more frequently. The Logistics market is extremely elastic at this point in time. So you tend to look on a more all-in basis on that level. So it's the overall all-in rate to the customer and then the overall all-in rate to the carrier.

David Ocampo

analyst
#8

Okay. That's helpful commentary. And maybe, Alex, in the MD&A, you guys noted that pricing is up, I think, 11% in the quarter. Just curious how much of the breakdown of that was from fuel? And maybe for Ted, where do you kind of see pricing increases trending for this year on a fuel basis?

Kit Chun

executive
#9

So definitely, a big portion of that is fuel. There are some rate increases that happened during Q4. We -- about 1/3 of it is fuel and the rest are pricing increases. And you will see a lot more of that in 2022. With the fuel increasing rapidly in the first quarter, I would say, expect a larger portion -- well, I wouldn't say a larger portion, but definitely the same ratio going forward in the quarter at the very least. And I'll turn it over to Ted for the outlook on a fuel.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#10

Yes. So I mean, we -- some of us remember $1.47 a barrel. And again, I mean it is a bit of a crystal ball, but -- do I think it's going to go up to $1.50, $1.60, $1.70, I don't know. I mean it's -- I think it's hard for all of us to say, where is fuel going to go, and we're all going to have to deal with those issues. And I think that the breakdown historically for us has been about 1/3 fuel, but getting into a more current -- getting into kind of more of the current environment, we've already built into some of our pricing at this point in time, the substantial increase -- for example, for the price of trailers. In the last 12 months, trailers of -- 12 to 18 months, the cost of trailers have doubled. And I'm sure that's not news to anyone at this point in time. So just the basic cost of purchasing the trailers doubled. In addition, we're in an environment, contrary to the last 10, 15, 20 years, we're now into an environment of increasing interest rates. So I think that the compounding components, the increase in the price of fuel is going to impact the fact that it's going to cost a mechanic more money to get to work and go and repair the truck. So he'll have to get a raise. And so the hourly rate of the shop will go up. So it's that kind of exponential impact that I think that we're all going to feel. And that's where we're staying extremely close on a regular basis using our technology to monitor exactly where we're at in terms of our costing. So it is a very complicated situation, and that's why we're seeing this sort of circumstance. So for sure, we're monitoring it. And unfortunately, but that is the reality. Fuel is a pass-through and it will unfortunately hit the consumer, the price of products.

David Ocampo

analyst
#11

All right. And for Truck Transportation, based on your guidance, it does seem like there's going to be a pretty good improvement on the margin profile there. How would you break up the split between your pricing increases and just better operating performance out of ITS?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#12

I would say somewhere in the range of about 50-50. So I think that we know that ITS was a single-digit underperforming EBITDA that is unsustainable in virtually an entirely asset-based environment. You need to have a much higher EBITDA. Obviously, our goal in Trucking is about 16% -- 15%, 16% EBITDA. So their EBITDA was below 10%. It was single digits, and that needed to be addressed. Of course, no sooner than 4 or 5 months after the purchase, inflation started to kick in and that made life kind of sort of a double whammy complication. So having said that, at this point in time, the bulk of our -- sort of our improvements are now going to be not just improvements in efficiencies and just trying to get new equipment as quickly as possible and so on. We've -- we're going to be creating now also improved -- well, we're going to have to have improved margins because the cost increases are taking effect or price increases, really.

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#13

I'm just going to jump in for 1 sec. It's Marilyn. I think if you look historically for us, it's typical that a turnaround has many sort of stages and our integration stage is physically over and are working with human capital, I guess, working with our people takes a little bit longer to really realize the synergies and the optimization. And that's the stage that we're at right now, which is exciting for us, and we see positive results.

David Ocampo

analyst
#14

Okay. And then last one here before I hop back in the queue. Alex, what's the CapEx requirement for this year for the 100 tractors, 250 trailers?

Kit Chun

executive
#15

So we disclosed about $32 million committed. Obviously, we want all of it, but with various supply chain issues. So if we can get more, it will be even higher. But so far, we are committed for $32 million.

Operator

operator
#16

Your next question comes from Benoit Poirier of Desjardins Capital Markets.

Benoit Poirier

analyst
#17

Yes. Just looking at the revenue contribution from ITS, it seems to be closer to $20 million versus the $14 million, $16 million at the time of the acquisition, is the $20 million a good run rate for ITS in terms of revenue?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#18

Sorry, $20 million for ITS?

Kit Chun

executive
#19

We have $15.8 million for the quarter.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#20

You're talking per quarter, yes. No, you're more -- it's more of a $15 million per quarter for ITS.

Benoit Poirier

analyst
#21

Okay. Okay. Perfect. And could you break down the expectation when we look at the outlook for 2022 between Truck Transportation and Logistics from a revenue standpoint?

Kit Chun

executive
#22

So we're expecting the breakdown to be around the same as the current year, which is about [ 45 ] Trucking and [ 55 ] Logistics.

Benoit Poirier

analyst
#23

Okay. Okay. That's great. And -- when we look at the EBITDA for Truck Transportation, obviously, you came in at 12.3% below what we should consider a normalized level. What about the expectation for Truck Transportation in 2022? Is 15%, 16% is achievable?

Kit Chun

executive
#24

Yes. Well, we are aiming to reach 15%, 16%, 17% by the end of the year. The progress we'll have to see because of the inflationary increases currently, but we are passing some of that through like Ted and Marilyn mentioned. So our final goal is about 15%, 16% or 17% around that range. So where we end up, it's going to depend on how quickly we can get back on to that normalized percentage.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#25

See, Benoit, it's not a matter of whether or not we're passing along these increases. What's happening is that you go to a customer and as respectfully as possible because we're all -- I'm going to use something probably nobody wants to hear another millions of time, but we're all in this together, but now we're on this together economically. And the bottom line is that you go to a customer and you say, "Look, guys I got no choice. I've got to give you this x percent increase, whether it's 7% or 12% or 13% or whatever the number is appropriate for that -- those lanes or that particular circumstance or whatever. So you go to the customer, you give them a rate increase. And then 3 months later, all of a sudden, there's some other increase that was unanticipated or an announcement that tires are more money or all of a sudden, you're getting -- there's a surcharge on new trucks effective 3 weeks from now delivery and onwards. It's just there are surprises now that are coming so rapidly that you can go to a customer and give them a double-digit increase, and it could be obsolete in 3 months. And so it's not for a lack of mathematics. It's certainly for not for a lack of knowing exactly what our, call it, a bill of materials of turning it higher. But it's for the fact that things are just so rapidly changing that our goal is to hit 16%, 17% EBITDA. But there could be more chasing going on this year, which is definitely going to be out of, I would say, everyone's control. And so all we can do is because of our technology, we're able to monitor our performance on a daily, weekly basis at this point in time, and that's how aggressive we are with the situation in terms of monitoring it. So that's why we feel that we're going to be well equipped to be able to address the situation. We have -- we're extremely confident that we're going to hit those targets. But again, there are some, let's just say, macro risks. Our tech tools certainly help navigate the situation.

Benoit Poirier

analyst
#26

Okay. And could you talk about the integration of B&S Cartage and also the current EBITDA margin contribution?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#27

Yes. Actually, Marilyn is going to talk about it, but I'm just going to start by saying it's a great little consolidation acquisition in Branford, and we're very pleased to have had the opportunity to bring those operations together there. So I'll let her have some more detail on that.

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#28

We actually -- it's a small acquisition for us after experiencing ITS. It was easy, to be honest. The Bert and Son's Group has been transitioned to Titanium already. As of March 1, we have everything branded Titanium, and we have on boarded all the staff, et cetera. So we've already made those transitions. We've reached out to customers. We are already operating as Titanium out of our Brand [indiscernible] terminal. More strategically, we actually consolidated another terminal that we were operating at with through ITS that we were able to get out of the agreement we had with them for leasing purposes and integrated that whole group into this new location that we now own. The properties is just under 8 -- just under 8 acres, and serves us really well with an on-site shop that we have that we have tenanted. So -- it's worked for us that way. And as far as the physical integration, it's done. Now we're just working on the normal sort of soft work that needs to be done just with people and systems and customers and optimizing the customer base that Bert and Sons has. There was a little bit of overlap with customer base, but there's also new customer base there that we're working with now and expanding on. So it's been a very good acquisition for us.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#29

Very, very productive -- we've all really enjoyed this process.

Benoit Poirier

analyst
#30

Okay. And for logistics, still a desire to add 2 new locations in 2022. Is that a fair statement?

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#31

Yes.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#32

Yes. That's the goal.

Benoit Poirier

analyst
#33

Okay. And last 1 for me. If we look at M&A, obviously, going through some integration right now, but would it be fair to expect a pause until later part of 2022 or still pipeline pretty robust and willingness to do that?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#34

Yes, I wouldn't say that there's a pause. I'm always looking. And I think that with our technology, we're ready at this point in time. We have a very scalable business. We have a fantastic technology department. And our team here is ready to roll up their sleeves and execute at any given moment. So between our proven systems and our people here, we've got an amazing, call it ability. We've got an amazing ability between people and tech that can execute at any time. So I'm always looking. But it's just -- it's a matter of being disciplined with the criteria and making sure that we're buying something that is going to contribute shareholder value. As Marilyn said before, sometimes you buy something that is a better deal. As you can see, the goodwill, it's in the notes, the goodwill on the ITS acquisition is very minimal and it required a fix up, but it's definitely going to prove -- for the lack of a better term, it's going to pay dividends for years to come. So couldn't read.

Operator

operator
#35

Your next question comes from [ Mike Holm ] of [ ATH ].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#36

Good joke, Ted.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#37

So I won't put my day job.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#38

A few questions for me, if you would. I'm just trying to understand a couple of things a little bit more deeply. So can you remind me -- I'm just trying to understand revenue attribution or the increase in revenue and how to think about that. So can you remind me again when ITS closed?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#39

February 1.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#40

February 1. Okay. So 11 months contribution. I think you just said to a prior person on the call that it's at a run rate of about $16 million in revenue. Is that right?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#41

$15 million, $16 million, and that's before rate increases.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#42

Okay. Okay. So there's more than likely rate increases there on that base yes. So is it fair to say then that the remainder, which is the majority of revenue was really just price increases on existing business. I mean I don't think your volume of business changed that much on the existing fleet. Is that the right way to think about it?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#43

More or less, yes, it can't because real estate, Trucking is kind of like real estate on wheels. I mean it's geometric. So from that point of view, you've got a box that has a length with a height limitation. So we added some new customers. And we are obviously making now the decision in terms of -- in terms of, well, who gets the space. We have no choice. We've got to go for the rate increases at this point in time in terms of the fact that it's more a matter of who's willing to pay for space that just costs more money now to produce, right? If I think of that real estate as the widget, well, you know what, that widget cost more money now to produce.

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#44

I think the other thing.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#45

No, understood. Yes. Understood. -- there's finite capacity, and it is exactly like real estate. So I get that. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything I was missing on that. So very -- a lot of price taking. So let's move on then to how that flows through it. I guess when I look at your guidance on revenue and adjusted EBITDA. That would imply for 2022, an 8.8% EBITDA margin. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my back of the envelope here. So I was...

Theodor Daniel

executive
#46

[indiscernible].

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#47

Okay. So I was kind of expecting it to be a little higher just given the revenue -- a larger revenue base and the fact that you're taking price, although you said you're going to be doing it -- well, you are going to be doing it more in the first half of 2022 plus synergies. I just thought it would be a little bit higher on a run rate. So clearly, that's cost inflation. And I really just want to get some more color if you can provide any on, on where you're really seeing the biggest costs being driven higher?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#48

So I think that 1 thing that we're not going to do is we're not going to publish numbers that are essentially hopeful. The hope is not a strategy here. So one of the things that we want to do is we want to have a sense of -- we're trying to get away from this every single month, what are we going to do monthly or quarterly beats or misses that this just doesn't make sense. We can't run our business on such short-term guidance. But having said that, we feel that as our -- so the Trucking is a -- again, as we said a limited real estate on wheels. Where we're going to scale will be continue on the non-asset-based business, which is the -- so yes, we're going to have rate increases in trucking. But again, the scalability will be the continued growth of our brokerage division as well. Brokerage tends to have a lower EBITDA. But again, remember, EBITDA is essentially EBT. So from that point of view, from a cash flow perspective, we are looking at an achievable -- what we feel is economically an achievable number. It is conservative, but we need to continue to run the business as we always have responsibly and conservatively. And again, our goal is to overachieve. So it may appear that way. But as we pursue rate increases in Trucking in order to cover the inflationary pressures, as well as we grow logistics, that is kind of a reasonable blend. If you're going to grow logistics more and more and more, you're going to see a slight erosion of EBITDA that's inevitable for most logistics businesses. But I mean, there's hardly any depreciation or interest below the line. So -- from that point of view, I like the fact that EBT in an asset-light model is higher than EBT for Trucking.

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#49

I think we should also consider 1 other thing, which is overall improved utilization and efficiencies. We had a lot of issues come up in the fourth quarter and obviously into 2022 with blockades, vaccine mandates and so on. So there's been a backlog in movement. We've had -- I mean, all of our customers are screaming at us for volume of equipment just to get back on track because them themselves have their own issues with a lack of productivity at top levels, not being able to produce at the same levels. And then they backed up, then we had weather, then we had blockades, then we've had restricted vaccine mandates and so on. So there's been a lot that affected overall efficiency and utilization that is improving as we speak. Some of it is the easy one, weather. By end of 2021 and then obviously into 2022 and coming out of that. But there's a lot of things that I think will also affect that number that as we come out of the last 2 years of pandemic and other I guess, uncertainties, government uncertainties and so on, I think you'll see an overall improvement that way as well.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#50

You try to bake that into your guidance then, right, Marilyn, those improvements? Is that fair?

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#51

We didn't really conceptually, I mean, Ted and Alex can speak to the number more specifically than me. I just know that what we're focusing right now is improvements on our utilization, and it's happening as we sort of come back into a more normal work environment. I think people have forgotten how much of an effect it had on the industry, especially with drivers in this last quarter for sure.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#52

One of the things that's different that I've said this before, and I'd like to kind of make sure I get a chance to say this on the call and what's different under the circumstances is that this isn't the same as 2018. Right now, you've got an increasing interest rate environment. And all of these cost increases are all -- a big chunk of them are hitting people's balance sheets. So that's the difference. Just because you're paying twice as much for a used, which -- I mean we don't typically buy used trailers. But let's just say somebody in the -- more on a macro level here, someone is buying 5 0r 10 used trailers for double what those trailers would have cost them 18 months ago. It doesn't mean that it's a "you get what you pay for" circumstance. On the contrary, that trailer is still a 6-year-old trailer. It still has 6-year-old parts and frame, and it's still going to need as much maintenance as a 6-year-old trailer did 4 years ago. So -- and on top of that, everything has gone up in terms of just the maintenance itself, replacement parts, tires, rims, slack adjusters, whatever. So everything is now compounding the expense. So I think it's a much different circumstance than there was before. And I think that's going to create a challenging environment on the 1 hand, but then again, because of our -- the confidence we have in our navigation tools, which I'm extremely confident in our navigation tools. I'm going to say another thing math will prevail here. So I think from that point of view, we're extremely confident in our numbers. And that's kind of where we felt we wanted to sort of sell down on the expectation.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#53

Yes. Okay. That's understood. Last thing, I just want to understand the free cash flow a little bit better or specifically the CapEx, Alex, I think your MD&A said $32 million in 2022. And you just clarified...

Kit Chun

executive
#54

Sorry your call is breaking up. I can't hear you.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#55

I'm sorry. Is it better now?

Kit Chun

executive
#56

Yes.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#57

Sorry, I didn't move or anything. I'll start again. I just want to understand the CapEx guidance a little bit. I think you've got $32 million in 2022. That's assuming you can get everything you want. So that's obviously a big step up. There's a lot of fleet replacement this year versus the past few years. How much of that $32 million would you say, if any, is carryover of equipment you didn't get in 2021?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#58

Sorry, can I -- so there's 2 sides, right? There's the financing aspect of what we have available and then there's the requirement for equipment, right? So I mean there's different components of what feeds our replacements. So I'm just going to say that what we do is we typically don't use current cash for financing equipment. We have equipment financing arrangements that are very aggressive interest rates. So our cash availability are on different levels depending. And we typically match short-term assets to short-term cash requirements and long-term assets to long-term financing arrangements. So.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#59

Yes. No, I'm not concerned about that financing so much. I just want to drill down on the CapEx of $32 million -- how much of that might be carryover from stuff you couldn't get in 2021?

Kit Chun

executive
#60

Actually, I mean, we certainly have some orders that then carried through, but these are equipment that we've committed to for 2022. So they are actually what we want -- well, we wanted more, but this is actually what we wanted.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#61

There was a bit of a spillover from Q4 to Q1. So what happens what was supposed to deliver as in November, December is now being delivered February, March. For example.

Kit Chun

executive
#62

Not a whole year worth of [indiscernible] over . It's just like an it's like maybe a little bit.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#63

Okay. Got it. So last year it was $18 million this year is $32 million. Do you have any high-level sense of what 2023 might look like?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#64

Same as fairly large here.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#65

Okay.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#66

'23 really the same as '22. Yes, and your $32 million should be more like $35 million because there is an increase in the cost of equipment.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#67

As of inflation yes, of course.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#68

Yes. Yes. That was last week e-mails. In case you wonder.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#69

Right, right. I can appreciate the challenges of the environment. No, no, I can appreciate it. I think we're seeing it everywhere. So great.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#70

Yes. I mean, they're really nice e-mails. They're basically like we really appreciate your business. However, due to blah,blah, blah, effective April 1 deliveries and onwards, prices increased by x amount. That's just.

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#71

And have a nice day.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#72

And have a nice day. And you know what I do. The first thing I do is I go running the hall -- go running down the hall to my FP&A department, I'm like, guys, new price of trucks, let's go pull up the models. That's it. Like it's that simple now.

Kit Chun

executive
#73

And that's how we are with our technology. That's how sensitive it is. So that's why we're extremely confident in 2022.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#74

Right. So $32 million this year is $32 million inflation adjusted in 2023. Great. So I'll quote Ted Daniel earlier on this call when he said we're all this together economically.

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#75

Your next question comes from Ben Jekic of PI Financial.

Ben Jekic

analyst
#76

Well, all the good questions have been asked. So I'm left with some scraps here.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#77

Come on Ben, you're a survivor.

Ben Jekic

analyst
#78

So just on the new logistics location, you said 2 new locations. Is that including a plant or excluding the plant?

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#79

No, no. Excluding.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#80

Excluding. And you know I'm telling the truth here because these 2 just said the same thing at the same time so.

Ben Jekic

analyst
#81

Yes. okay. My second question is, Ted, you said the growth is backlog and global supply chain -- backlog in the global supply chain. Can you just elaborate again? Will it affect Logistics and Trucking similarly or a little bit more logistics maybe or?

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#82

It's first Logistics and then Trucking.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#83

Yes. I mean logistics I've always said is the canary in the coal mine.

Marilyn Daniel

executive
#84

More nimble.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#85

Yes. It's kind of funny, actually. I used that expression recently on some of my younger people here, and they really had no clue what I was talking about. It's kind of interesting. But I think most of us do know what that represents. So like Logistics, for sure is definitely the canary in the coal mine. And it definitely paints an interesting picture. If you take a look at the Loadlink spot market chart, December, I couldn't find -- they only produce it every few months. So I couldn't find the January, February version, but the latest version goes right up to the end of 2021. And the December spot market index in Canada finally, it really rapidly skyrocketed in the last 3 months of the year, which gives you the pricing, call it, pricing power. I guess, for lack of a better term, it's not about that per se. But I mean, certainly, it's demonstrating exactly where we're at in terms of supply chain demand. But December was higher than January 2018. So that -- I mean, that is extreme. And that was the highest historical and record was January '18, and now we've beat that. So that's really an interesting indicator of where things are going. And so there's the supply chain from a consumer perspective, but then there's also the supply chain, which is impacting the availability of trailers, trucks, components, et cetera. And I mean just an automatic transmission alone has over 20 microchips, right? So I mean, how are we all going to get new trucks? Right? So that's the challenge. And we've put in a significant amount of orders with a number of suppliers, and they're doing their best for us. I mean when they give me a delay, I'm not mad at them because I know what they're going through. We're just trying to figure it out.

Ben Jekic

analyst
#86

Yes, I get it. And then the last question, if I can just maybe ask you to clarify. I think it goes back to David's question earlier in the call. So you typically -- when you raise prices, it's typically divided 1/3 fuels and 2/3 sort of other cost increases?

Theodor Daniel

executive
#87

It's a lot more scientific than that, but...

Ben Jekic

analyst
#88

Yes, yes. I'm identifying it, obviously. But I guess your point was like you have to do what you have to do regardless of where the fuel goes, right? Like it's not...

Theodor Daniel

executive
#89

Whether it's fuel or it's the price of the truck or it's interest rates or it's labor or it's R&M or whatever. I mean, it costs more money then to buy office supplies. Like it's -- the delivery of the office supplies is more expensive. Like it's just -- everything is exponentially going up all the time. So we do have a significant amount of components that are going to call this a fairly detailed bill of materials.

Operator

operator
#90

[Operator Instructions] At this time, there are no further questions.

Theodor Daniel

executive
#91

Okay. Well, thank you, operator, for facilitating the call. Regardless of the economic conditions we operate in, undoubtedly, with our innovative hard-working team of people, Titanium will continue to grow, succeed and increase shareholder value. We appreciate your interest in Titanium. Feel free to contact us if you have any further questions. Thank you for joining the call.

Operator

operator
#92

Thank you for participating in today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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