Titanium Transportation Group Inc. (TTNM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 16, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood morning, and welcome to Titanium Transportation Group's First Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. On today's call, we have Ted Daniel, President and Chief Executive Officer; Alex Fu, Chief Financial Officer; and Marilyn Daniel, Chief Operating Officer. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made on this call today may be forward-looking. In that regard, please refer to the risk factors and cautionary provisions outlined in the press release issued by the company yesterday as well as the filings made by Titanium on SEDAR. Please note that this call is being recorded today, May 16, 2023. A replay of this call will be made available until midnight on May 30, 2023. The details of the replay can be found on Titanium's website under the Investors section. I would now like to turn the call over to Titanium's President and CEO, Ted Daniel. Please go ahead, sir.
Theodor Daniel
executiveGood morning. Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us. Despite challenging economic conditions, I'm pleased to share that Titanium delivered another profitable quarter, generating $106 million in revenue and $12.6 million in consolidated EBITDA. The market trends we saw in the latter half of 2022, including increased levels of inflation, supply chain challenges, rising interest rates and geopolitical turmoil continued in the first quarter of 2023. These trends also impacted the transportation industry. We observed a softening demand for freight services, stemming from changes in consumer spending habits and some balancing of overstocked inventory from the prior year. At Titanium, we have always believed that during difficult times, we should be opportunistic and continue to pave the road for future growth. I believe the success we achieved in 2022 and the first quarter of 2023 is a direct result of the opportunistic investments in assets, technology and people that we made in prior cycles. Although 2023 may not be a year of rapid growth, we believe the economic environment will present disciplined and experienced operators such as ourselves, opportunities to make prudent investments which will translate into sustainable long-term growth for our shareholders. On a consolidated basis, we generated revenue of $106 million, EBITDA of $12.6 million and EBITDA margin of 13.8%, an increase of 230 basis points from Q1 of 2022. This demonstrates our continued ability to execute on our growth strategy and commitment to improved efficiency, delivering strong and consistent margin growth. Looking at our Trucking segment. We delivered revenue of $51.6 million, up 4.5% year-over-year and 52% EBITDA growth. We were able to utilize our technology-driven navigation tools to optimize our pricing strategy, which resulted in a year-over-year increase in segmented revenue. We do not expect the growth trend to continue into the remainder of the year, but anticipate continued control of our operating cost to maintain high levels of profitability in this segment. The results in the Trucking segment also demonstrate the benefits of the investments we've made in our technology and our team as we continue to leverage our newest, best-in-class customer and supplier digital solutions. Our newly developed supplier solution tools and vetting systems allow us to add thousands of partner carriers to our logistics database and service network. Our Logistics segment, which tends to be more sensitive to market conditions, face substantial pricing pressure and demand normalization during quarter 1 of 2023. We generated revenue of $56.2 million and EBITDA of $4.6 million. While we do not expect the quality of revenue to return to the elevated levels in early 2022, we're comfortable with the margin performance that we're currently able to achieve. We continue to see significant opportunity for our growth in the U.S. marketplace. During Q1, we announced our sixth U.S. location in Fayetteville, Arkansas as part of our goal of building Titanium's business offerings in the U.S. market. We expect to continue to secure additional U.S. locations, allowing us to grow our footprint and customer base with the addition of another 2 locations in 2023. Seven years ago, we outlined a bold strategy to achieve $500 million in revenue. Over the past few years, we scaled our trucking and the logistics business in Canada and expanded into U.S. markets while continuing to execute on strategic acquisitions. We ended 2022 with $496 million in revenue, achieving the goal we set in 2016. As we look forward, we are confident that Titanium can become a $1 billion business, and we're focused on executing on our strategy while navigating the current economic environment. Our technology intensive platform is empowering us to deliver efficiencies in optimizing pricing, routing and load volumes in an environment of emerging pricing pressure and softening volume demand. For the second quarter of this year, we cautiously expect a more tempered marketplace. Against this backdrop, we expect to continue to leverage technology to navigate evolving market conditions and with a strong balance sheet and cash position, we remain prepared for opportunities resulting from this economic situation. We maintain our 2023 full year revenue guidance range of $500 million to $520 million and EBITDA margin of 9.5% to 11.5%. With that, I'll turn it over to Alex for a more detailed discussion of our financial results for the quarter. Alex?
Kit Chun
executiveThanks, Ted. In the first quarter of 2023, on a consolidated basis, Titanium generated revenue of $106 million compared to $136 million in Q1 2022. We delivered EBITDA of $12.6 million compared to $13.9 million in Q1 2022 with EBITDA margin of 13.8%, an increase of 230 basis points. Diving deeper into the segment performances. The Truck Transportation segment saw revenues of $51.6 million, an increase of 4.5% and EBITDA of $8.7 million, an increase of 52.4%, with an EBITDA margin of 20.3%. The continued improvement in operating margins in the Truck Transportation segment is consistent with our expectations following the integration of a sizable acquisition as we continue to deliver operating improvements and synergies. The Logistics segment generated revenues of $56.2 million compared to $87.9 million in the comparable period. EBITDA was $4.6 million compared to $9.2 million in the comparative period with an EBITDA margin of 9.3% compared to the 11.5% in the same period. Titanium's balance sheet and solid capital position continued to provide a strong foundation for our operations and allow us to consider potential acquisition opportunities. During Q1, we bought back [ 72,275 ] common shares under our NCIB and we're actively evaluating potential acquisitions opportunities. Given the strength of our capital position and our confidence in the earnings outlook, we maintain our dividend, declaring a dividend of $0.02 per common share. I would now like to turn the call back over to Ted.
Theodor Daniel
executiveThank you, Alex. To reiterate, for the remainder of 2023, it is likely that the North American economy will continue to face strong headwinds, which will undoubtedly cause turmoil within the transportation industry as well. During times like these, we are pleased to have delivered a profitable quarter. Titanium's technology-based systems and experienced team delivered quality service to our customers and executed against our financial and strategic objectives for our shareholders. Titanium is poised to not only navigate our core business through these challenges, but we expect to capitalize on potential accretive opportunities should they arise. Our investment in our proprietary technology and people allow us to approach difficult times with cautious optimism. With that, I'll turn it over to the operator to open the line for questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Matthew Lee from Canaccord.
Matthew Lee
analystI'd like to maybe start on the margin side. Year-over-year, you're up 690 basis points despite revenue coming down. Can you maybe help put in perspective the drivers of improved profitability between price optimization, fusion and internal initiatives?
Kit Chun
executiveOf course. So for sure, and Marilyn is going to jump in later with some of the operations side. In terms of the margin improvement, one of the biggest factor is that we have a -- our technology allows us to navigate the current environment and really its last year's environment to optimize our pricing strategy to our customers and to our suppliers, so that we're able to realize that difference in the margins. So with regards to that, Marilyn will be more -- would be more into the operations side.
Marilyn Daniel
executiveSo on the logistics side, basically doing more with less, I guess, is the message that we've been able to do. And part of that comes from the technology we've used in vetting our carriers and getting relationships with the partner carriers that we use to ensure that our margins are where they should be. On the trucking side, obviously, we don't look at the margins as much. And on the trucking side of things, we've been able to leverage our contractual rates with our customers to keep them as stable as possible.
Theodor Daniel
executiveYes. And again, we keep pushing our technology, which adds to the efficiency. Obviously, our Titanium Fusion carrier portal is one of the -- sort of one of our largest innovative components of our future in terms of growing our margins on the logistics side. So that's also a critical component that we keep investing in.
Matthew Lee
analystGreat. That's great color. And then in terms of guidance, it remains the same, which implies some steady ramp up at the remainder of the year, particularly from logistics. Are there any particular things you're seeing in the market currently that gives you some visibility into that?
Theodor Daniel
executiveCan you -- sorry, Matt, can you just clarify that again? Do you mind just rephrasing that, if you don't mind?
Matthew Lee
analystYes. So you have a $500 million guidance for the year and revenue for the Q1 is obviously lower than that run rate. So there's a bit of a ramp up that's being required to hit that. And is there anything that you're seeing in the market that gives you some confidence in your ability to ramp?
Theodor Daniel
executiveYes. Of course. Okay. I totally get what you're saying. So I think -- I mean we'll definitely will split it into a couple of components. Currently, right now, you're seeing actually more net cancellations of authorities under FMCSA, then you've got issuances. So obviously, there's already a trend of, call it, tightening in the marketplace. So we do expect that this year we'll have, I guess, call it, traditional seasonality, i.e., first half is typically not as good as second half. I mean, the last few years with COVID, obviously, there was no such thing as seasonality, it was absolute turmoil. But we do believe that second half is going to be better. And the other thing is that if you split our 2 businesses in half or well, 60% brokerage, 40% assets, the assets tends to be more sure and steady in terms of revenue predictability. But the brokerage, the revenue is kind of a rough number in the sense that it's more of a cost plus, right? Revenue is more of the result of the margin, if anything. So it's more of a bottom-up approach. So that's where I think it's a little bit of an estimation. But yes, I think it's definitely there's some plausibility to it.
Marilyn Daniel
executiveSome of our confidence also has to be in the fact that we are continuing to open our logistics offices, and that will add to some of our growth that we expect in the second half, barring any potential acquisition opportunities, but just our organic growth. We expect that to continue to allow us to grow in the second half of the year. I think it's also important to note that there's some of the tightening in the carrier base, which will help margins as well. Just as a matter of fact, I think it was reported in FreightWaves' SONAR that 9,000 carriers in the U.S. exited the market between January and March of 2023. So it's -- there are some changes from year-over-year for sure in terms of where the marketplace is. So yes, we continue to grow our offensive strategy in terms of growth that will help us in the second half.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of David Ocampo from Cormark Securities.
David Ocampo
analystI just wanted to follow up on Matt's lines of questions as it relates to margins, but maybe ask it from a different angle. If I take a look at your operating margins and your EBIT margin in logistics, that's a non-asset-based business. But if I take a look at the margin, it's actually higher than your trucking business, which requires capital. So if I'm looking further out, do you expect the truck transportation margins to eventually exceed logistics, especially in the context of your larger Canadian peers that are able to get a 10-plus percent EBIT margin?
Kit Chun
executiveWell, our current model is, we provided a little bit of an insight previously into our current model. Our Logistics side, we anticipate that our EBITDA will be -- or anywhere from 8% to 9%. That's the -- that's our target until we scale further ahead and our trucking is anywhere from 18% to 19% in EBITDA. And then like you said, we have the depreciation. We have a [indiscernible] EBITDA. But that's how the business is operating because we have such an asset-heavy side to the trucking side of our business. We don't expect that structure to change too much, especially not this year. But going forward into the future, because we are a full truckload haul in our trucking side, we don't anticipate that our structure to change until we change our product lines either.
Theodor Daniel
executiveIf you keep a high proportion of logistics, like the proportion of lower EBITDA, obviously, is going to have an impact on percentages. But I mean, as Alex said, logistics is really essentially a zero DAI business. So being non-levered, asset-light, you're going to get that kind of mix in the calculation, right? If we are virtually 100% trucking, we'd be at 20% margin, but then you'd be -- obviously, be killing that from a cash flow perspective once you're done with DAI at that point in time, right?
David Ocampo
analystYes. I guess I was talking more from the EBIT perspective, still after depreciation. Just trying to understand how you guys are -- is there a pathway for you guys to get closer to, say, TransForce's Truckload division, which is 17% EBIT margin versus your 5% EBIT margin business?
Theodor Daniel
executiveYes, I would say different product mixes. We're straight up truckload. So -- as far as I'm concerned, I think anywhere from 18% to 20% is a good target for us on a pre-DAI. On a post-DAI, I think what's going to happen is that you're going to see an increase in the DA over time because as trucking companies replace equipment, which is now far more expensive, depreciation is going to go up, no matter what. And right now, I still -- I know that there are still fleets that are out there that are still struggling to get equipment because most of the OEMs right now are basically sold out for 2023.
David Ocampo
analystYes. That makes sense. And then, Alex, on the net debt levels, I mean, it's gone up over the last 2 quarters or so. Maybe you can give an update on your maintenance CapEx on a go-forward basis because it's been running closer to north of $30 million on an annual basis.
Kit Chun
executiveOf course. So we have -- we've kind of substantially replaced our truck fleet. So we are kind of done with that side of the replacement cycle. Unfortunately, trailers, we're still facing supply chain issues, so we have not caught up quite yet with our trailer replacement. We are getting a lot more trailers this year. So fortunately, we are most likely going to be caught up by the end of the year. And then going forward, our maintenance CapEx we've disclosed before it's about anywhere from $20 million to $30 million, depending on asset prices and also if we need to expand our fleet and such.
Marilyn Daniel
executiveI think it's also [indiscernible] our fleet, sorry, is rather refreshed at this moment with an average age of our tractors now below, what is it?
Theodor Daniel
executive1.5.
Marilyn Daniel
executive1.5 years on our tractor and our trailer ratios are coming [indiscernible] 3.5, 4, something like that? So, majorly...
Theodor Daniel
executiveYes. So we're actually in really great shape in terms of the fact that pretty much every single one of our trucks is quite new. And so from that perspective, we're in really good shape to continue to service the market.
Marilyn Daniel
executiveYes. So increased CapEx would be, I guess, for growth.
David Ocampo
analystOkay. That makes a lot of sense. And then my last 1 here is, we've seen some of your Canadian counterparts get a little bit more active on M&A. What are you guys seeing out there in the marketplace? And then balancing that against where your stock is trading at today, how do you compare that getting active on M&A versus being more active on your NCIB or even issuing a substantial issuer bid?
Theodor Daniel
executiveYes. So I mean, -- to some degree, capital allocation question, right? Are we buying or are we going to -- are we going to keep hitting the max on our NCIB. Our NCIB -- I mean we might as well get that out of the way. It's not a lot of money because our limit is quite low, quite frankly on a daily basis. So it's really practically a rounding error. But I mean we're doing -- we might as well max out. It's like maxing out your [ RSP ]. So at this point in time, obviously, that's one little thing. But in terms of sort of the M&A environment, let's just kind of hit the big one that really excites me. What's really interesting right now, David, is that I think that the mathematics is starting to really embed itself in the reality of what's happening. And that's the fact that let's say, everybody out there can assume a 5%, 6% cost of borrowing. I mean you go buy a house today, it's going to cost you 5 -- somewhere in the range of 4%, 5%, 6% depending. So that's just your cost of capital. On top of that, I'd like to make my shareholders a little bit of profit from a cost of investing. So you're really looking at least a 10%, 11%, 12% minimum rate of return. And so using now a year ago, you were into the mid-single digits. Today, you're into the low to mid-double-digit requirements. And that's just because the cost of capital has gone up. So we know that, that is going to impact multiples. And there is obviously no other result that's going to happen, but the fact that multiples are going to have to come down as a result of the mathematics of the borrowing environment. And so I'm actually pretty excited about the fact that I do believe that there's going to be opportunities. And that, as always, we've been looking -- we continue to look, we continue to deep dive. We've been acquirers and not volume acquirers, but we're strategic acquirers. So we continue to execute on that strategy.
David Ocampo
analystAnd can you tease what kind of multiples you're seeing out there? Is it closer to where you bought ITS at 5x or multiples even below that now?
Theodor Daniel
executiveYes. I mean, I think, again, it depends on the circumstance. But yes, generally speaking, we are back into the normal ranges of where we've traditionally seen multiples can be anywhere. I mean it can be as low as 4, but that's a little unusual and it's really more dependent on the circumstance, but you're kind of averaging into that 4% to 6% range depending.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Gianluca Tucci from Haywood.
Gianluca Tucci
analystCongrats on margins. I'm just curious on the trucking side. Like was there anything that stood out here on the performance of the margins in your Trucking division that like that division, in particular, I think, impressed us all here.
Theodor Daniel
executiveI think that to some degree, what we've been doing over the years is trying to diversify our customer base, have really strong navigation and also make sure that we've got -- because it is asset-based, I'd like to think of it as kind of like a real estate on wheels type business. And so you need to fill the real estate all the time. But we'd rather be filling it with contracted rates that's far more predictable than having basically the highs and lows of the spot market. That's more conducive to a margin-based business, obviously, which is our Logistics division. So that's why I think all of those different components, obviously, including everything driven by heavy investments in technology is something that I believe drives its ability to be extremely resilient. And so I think that it -- the customer base, the contracts, the technology, et cetera, et cetera, all these investments give it that tremendous amount of resilience and continuity that almost combats the ups and downs of the market, right? You don't have extremes in the way in which we run that business.
Kit Chun
executiveSo in the context for this quarter, yes, our margins are where we want to be. But when we look at the last 3 quarters in context to this quarter, ever since we have kind of optimized our pricing strategy and put in some cost savings initiatives, our margins have been pretty stable. This quarter is actually slightly lower than the last 2 quarters. And that's -- and again, trucking, it's really resilient like Ted said, but it's not immune to the market conditions as well. So there is a little bit of a retraction. Is it where we want to be? Yes, it could be better like last year. But right now, we're happy with it. But it's not like we have done anything different. We have done the same -- we have done the same thing with the same strategy in terms of cost savings, in terms of maximizing our fleet capacity. And that strategy has paid off in the last year and continues to pay off this year. But we haven't really done anything special per se, this quarter to achieve this margin. In fact, our margin is slightly retracted and we would like to see it get better.
Gianluca Tucci
analystOkay. And so on the trucking side, it's principally contracted rates. Are those up for like renewal at some point this year? Or does that extend into next year, the majority of the trucking business today?
Marilyn Daniel
executiveSo most trucking contracts are between 1 and 3 years. I think it's important to note that it's slightly more sticky and complex getting into accounts as a trucking supplier. So we have very -- I mean, our customer list -- year-over-year, our core customer list remains the same constantly. So while we work with customers with rates and adjustments as necessary, it's a very sticky component. So most of what we have does run on a calendar year or it runs summer to summer in some cases. So it is -- there's not a lot -- I mean if you're expecting me to say things like the contracts are coming up in the next few months, and they're all going to go down in pricing, that's really not the marketplace that we're in. We're still seeing some increases necessarily for costs, just not as robust as it's been in the past. And just to elaborate just a little bit more on that. When Ted mentioned technology that we're always investing in, and it's always cumulative in terms of the effect and the returns on our segments. And in the trucking sector, especially, the convenient factors for drivers to keep the retention high, it can be [indiscernible] for customers to be able to be transparent with information quick and accurate. We're able to report on all kinds of things today, even some of the more buzzword-type things in terms of ESG reporting or diversity and things like that and inclusion, we're able to report on all that. And there's a lot of customers that are in that direction. And because of where our tech has taken us, we are able to provide that information, and that's creating an even stickier environment for our customers.
Gianluca Tucci
analystThat's good color. And I guess a question on the market broadly, like what are you seeing and hearing from your customers and competitors in terms of potential like normalization of the market. Like is that a second half story? Or could that push into '24?
Theodor Daniel
executiveOkay. So I think that there's obviously a little bit of a, I would say, an economic crystal ball in this one, but let's face it, right? When we've got more cancellations on a net basis, we know that the number of small transportation companies is shrinking, i.e., we do know according to the ATA, you've got 86% of trucking companies have 6 or less trucks. That's a huge number. So if you're slowly shrinking capacity, there will be an impact at a certain stage. There will be an inflection point. I think that there was actually that kind of a discussion using that terminology in a recent article in FreightWaves, which I kind of enjoyed reading. So at some point, it will inflect. And that's kind of why we feel that with our navigation systems, we'll be able to take advantage of that when we're -- when we start to feel it, we'll have the scalability. From that perspective, I think that at this point in time though, it's definitely just [indiscernible] for us and continue to just look for opportunities.
Gianluca Tucci
analystOkay. And a question for Alex. I think you did mention this, but can you just update us on your CapEx plans for the rest of 2023?
Kit Chun
executiveSo the rest of -- I would say, for the next 12 months. We are planning to spend about $30 million to refresh our fleet. And the majority of it is trailers. We are loading on trailers because we're a little behind on schedule in terms of replacement cycle. Trucks wise, we're only really buying 25 trucks and they're not for replacement, they're for growth. We are -- like we said, we are anticipating second half will be stronger than the first half. We're anticipating that we will need a little more capacity. It's a very moderate growth. It's not anything special. But we do expect that we should be able to fill that 25 trucks, and we will need that capacity. The trailer side is the majority, the lion's share of the replacement of $30 million that could lead all the way to Q1 2024. That's why I said it's more of a 12-month replacement spend.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Benoit Poirier from Desjardins.
Benoit Poirier
analystCongratulations for the strong quarter. Yes. Ted, just curious here what makes you confident that market will rebound in the second half and be stronger than first half? Is it mostly driven by a reduction in the supply inventory normalization? Or what makes you confident about the rebound in the second half? I'm just curious here.
Theodor Daniel
executiveYes. So I guess, a little bit of a natural belief in Adam Smith's invisible hand here to some degree. And that, coupled with kind of the next ingredient being the fact that right now, if you take a look at the -- there is a SONAR chart that they publish on a daily basis that compares the first tender contract rates versus spot rates. And the spot market right now is quite low in comparison to contract rates. And in fact, it's right now hitting levels that are comparable to 2019, yet costs now are 20%, 30% higher than 2019, and they're not going down. So that is not a mathematical sustainable circumstance. And in addition, I do believe that seasonality will also come into play here to some degree. So as inventories get burned up, you do have right now lower import volumes and so eventually, inventories will get used up. So I think all of these little ingredients are going to give us definitely a better second half. To what degree, I mean, you and I are guessing to some degree. But having said that, we do believe that certainly, all of these little ingredients add up to 1 kind of big sort of indicator. And I think last but not least, I mean, from a Titanium perspective, we are a lot of CPG. And so from that perspective, we believe that people are going to continue to consume essentially essential goods.
Benoit Poirier
analystYes. Okay. That's great color. Looking by industry, were there big changes or industry that surprised to the upside or downside when we look at your breakdown between automotive, retail, manufactured goods, recycling and all those industry?
Theodor Daniel
executiveYes. Well, we definitely saw a few less luxury items, but we don't really do a lot of that. We do very, very little of that. We are heavily, heavily vested in CPG, but it's not just CPG, obviously, it's CPG subcomponents, CPG ingredients, et cetera, et cetera. So people are still going to be buying products that they consume on a daily basis and throughout their households.
Kit Chun
executiveI mean, Benoit, if you look at our quarter-over-quarter industry breakdown, your top 2 really didn't change much. I mean yes, they flipped, but in terms of percentages, they don't really change much. Your manufacturing goods, food and beverage is about the same. Like Ted mentioned, there's a slight -- your luxury goods have come down, but then we don't really -- we're agnostic to shipping luxury goods or common goods. So at the end of the day, if it goes on truck, where there were to ship it. So in terms of our -- the rest of the industry breakdown, we haven't really seen anything and there is going to be a shift or what not, it's a little different than when COVID started, where the automotive dried up and we had to go find other business. Here, it's reduced spending across the board. I mean there's a lot more spend on services. But at the end of the day, if you purchase services, there is a product in the back somewhere and we are there to ship the product.
Benoit Poirier
analystOkay. And Marilyn, you gave us great color about contractual rates for truck transportation, but I was wondering whether there was any change in the mix between spot and contractual rate for logistics? I know you have some exposure to contractual in logistics, it used to be about 50%. I was just wondering whether the mix has changed a bit for logistic.
Marilyn Daniel
executiveSo we're still largely that 50-50 in terms of contract and spot through spot. The spot market board has come down for sure, less making it to the spot market because there's overcapacity at the truck level, we'll say. So the spot market volume has come down significantly, I think, over the last couple of quarters, really. So I do see that it's interesting when we look to the U.S. for a telltale. It seems the U.S. spot market now is getting a little bit better, whereas the Canadian market seems to have gotten a little bit worse in the last little bit. So we always kind of lag. So that's why I also look at that as an indicator for our second half of the year as we expect it to be just a little bit better as we're looking to our U.S. partners as a telltale.
Benoit Poirier
analystThat's interesting. Okay. Great color. And just with respect to the fuel, when we look at the diesel, it's really increased in the Q2 last year. And while if you look right now, the diesel price is coming down, so it seems that there will be a big difference in terms of market sentiment in terms of fuel surcharge going into the second quarter. How should we be thinking about the lag, the fuel surcharge and maybe the impact on margin-wise?
Kit Chun
executiveWell, fuel -- the major fuel decrease really come in the earlier in the year. So your lag isn't really there between FSC and fuel costs anymore. Fuel cost is depressed from the '22 level. It's higher than the 2019 level, but it's lower than your 2022 level for sure. But there are -- but most market sentiment is that fuel is supposed to be higher on average in 2023 compared to 2022. We don't know where it's going to go. It's always a wildcard when it comes to the fuel pricing. But if we go off on those reports, we are expecting fuel costs to jump up for the remainder of the year at some point or maybe gradually. At the end of the day, it is a pass-through for us. So in terms of how our margins will be impacted, probably not a whole lot of impact. The top line will be impacted, however. So if fuel does increase to where the reports are saying, we're most likely going to see that our trucking is going to increase in revenue, but our profitability will remain about the same.
Benoit Poirier
analystOkay. That's great color, Alex. And just last question on M&A. You removed some commentary surrounding M&A in your press release versus last quarter. How should we read into this at all? Has anything changed from an M&A standpoint?
Theodor Daniel
executiveNo, actually. I guess that wasn't necessarily a read between the lines. It's just that we were I think, efficient in our initial scripted portion of the call, but absolutely not. We are very much so an acquirer and that hasn't changed. We like being an acquirer. We believe that we can continue to acquire opportunistically a good fit, a good win-win for both vendor and purchaser. We're actually really excited for our future opportunities.
Operator
operatorYour last question comes from the line of [ Bryan Fast ] from Raymond James.
Unknown Analyst
analystJust in light of the tough freight environment and specifically on your expansion plans on the logistics side, does this change maybe the cadence of your plans to expand at all or maybe even accelerate that expansion to get ahead of an eventual recovery?
Theodor Daniel
executiveSo are we -- I guess, are you asking if we're slowing down, so to speak, in terms of our expansion plans?
Unknown Analyst
analystYes, maybe that.
Theodor Daniel
executiveOkay. I mean I'm going to split into our 2 major segments. From a trucking perspective, as I like to think of it, it is a bit of a real estate on wheels. So when you've got too much capacity, you don't go build more buildings. So in terms of expanding trucking organically, I definitely don't think that we're going to be doing a lot of that, maybe a tiny little bit, as Alex said. We've got the ability to buy another 20 to 25 trucks later on this year. And we can easily say, pivot for lack of a better term on that level if we just don't see the need. But in terms -- and so we'll run that solid study with great customer relations and contract rates. And so we'll keep that real estate full. But in terms of the logistics side, I believe that, to some degree, logistics, in fact, you don't actually grow logistics in times where it's already tight capacity. And in a way, it's almost like it's too late, like that train is already running at 1 million miles an hour. So you're not getting on. So this is a really great time for us to actually apply the offense as your best defense strategy. We definitely are very excited about the opportunity to be able to continue to invest in tech and people and keep growing our logistics business aggressively.
Unknown Analyst
analystGreat. That's good color. And then just another question on M&A. I mean how would you categorize the M&A pipeline? I mean, you talked about valuations, maybe rightsizing here. But have you seen the number of opportunities accelerate?
Theodor Daniel
executiveI have. I've definitely seen an acceleration. And from our perspective, yes, I mean, I don't know if it's -- like we're calling it rightsizing, but -- when the cost of borrowing was 1% or 2%, multiples were reflective to some degree of that, call it, denominator. But I'm going to say that rightsizing, I think we can all agree that those were emergency rates. And so the multiples that were a factor of those kind of -- that low borrowing costs were unsustainable. So in terms of rightsizing, I believe that the multiples now are just simply reflecting a more realistic long-term cost of borrowing. And I think that from that perspective, there's definitely going to be a lot of opportunity. We like to buy, however, a good fit, one that fits our geography, our product lines, our culture, et cetera. So we also look for also good, call it, like good fits from a cultural perspective as well, where both the vendor and ourselves are able to mutually benefit from that kind of a little bit of a 2 plus 2 will be 5, not just 4. So we always look for that.
Operator
operatorThere are no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Ted Daniel for any closing remarks.
Theodor Daniel
executiveAll right. Thank you, operator, for facilitating the call. Regardless of the economic conditions we operate in, undoubtedly with our innovative, hard-working team of people, Titanium will continue to grow, succeed and increase shareholder value. We highly appreciate your interest in Titanium. And if there are any further questions, please feel free to contact us. Thank you, everyone, for joining this morning's call.
Operator
operatorThank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines. Have a lovely day.
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