Trane Technologies plc (TT) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

March 17, 2022

New York Stock Exchange US Industrials Building Products conference_presentation 42 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#1

All right. Up next, the next HVAC player on the list here, not in rank order in terms of favor. But we've got Trane, and very happy to have CFO, Chris Kuehn; and Chairman and CEO, Dave Regnery. Dave, a couple of minute introduction. Thanks for joining us, and then we'll jump right into Q&A.

David Regnery

executive
#2

Yes. Great. Thanks. Thanks for having us. And again, thanks for hosting this conference in-person. I don't know about everyone, but I'm certainly glad to be face-to-face versus what we've done for the last 2 years. I was telling Steve earlier, I'm tired of talking to a computer and not necessarily knowing what the response is going to be. But -- so thanks, your team has done a great job putting us on, so I appreciate that and Happy...

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#3

Take all the credit.

David Regnery

executive
#4

And Happy Thanksgiving -- Happy St. Patrick's Day, right?

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#5

Yes, St. Patrick's Day.

David Regnery

executive
#6

For everyone who's celebrating that. Our purpose at Trane Technologies is to challenge what's possible and innovate for a sustainable world. It's fundamental to our strategy and it allows us to have differentiated shareholder returns over time. The mega trends around sustainability and decarbonization continue to intensify. And unfortunately, the pace of global warming continues to accelerate. In the last 2 years, they were some of the warmest on the planet, okay? We need to take action if we're going to bend the curve on climate change, and we need to take action now. At Trane Technologies, we're scaling technologies that exist today that can dramatically reduce the carbon footprint for the world. These technologies exist today. We don't need to wait for new inventions. These technologies are available and we're scaling across the globe. With that said, we're also relentlessly working on innovation for tomorrow. This unyielding approach allows us to outgrow our end markets and generate powerful free cash flow, which we deploy through our balanced capital allocation strategy. In 2021, we saw record demand for our products and services, record demand across the globe. And like the broader industries, we also saw supply chain constraints. We're working very closely with our suppliers and working with our engineering teams. We believe the supply chain constraints will improve in the back half of the year. We enter 2022 with a backlog that is nearly double, nearly double a normal year. We are well positioned for growth in 2022 and beyond. And with that, Steve, we'd love to take your questions.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#7

Absolutely. So let's -- just starting a little bit near term to check the box on some of the stuff that's going on out there. Maybe are you seeing anything in Europe? Any implications from what's happening with Russia and then we'll touch on China as well, but maybe let's just start there.

David Regnery

executive
#8

Yes. I mean the events that are occurring in the Ukraine, our hearts and prayers go out to all the people of the Ukraine and our humanitarian support. From a business perspective, our revenue in Russia and Belarus is less than 1% of our revenue. From a supply chain standpoint, we don't have any what we call Tier 1 suppliers there where we would buy directly from. We're still evaluating the impacts of Tier 2 or Tier 3 suppliers. This would be someone who would sell to someone who we would buy to.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#9

Right. Neon, we're learning about Neon now, which I think is kind of crazy, but I guess that's one of the keys to the electronics production out there, didn't know that before. But...

David Regnery

executive
#10

Yes. There's -- the coating of boards, that's what Tier 2 and Tier 3, especially when you get into electronics is something that we're evaluating.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#11

Right, right, right. And then in China, any feedback from the boots on the ground there as far as shutdowns or any implications for Trane with the reemergence of COVID there?

David Regnery

executive
#12

Yes. I was just on the phone with our team in China actually earlier this morning. Yes, they were very aggressively managing the COVID situation, and they're creating lockdown situation. I think it's lockdown within a city. It's not necessarily lockdown within a building any longer. They tend to be short-lived. So they do a lot of testing, which is a good thing. If they see a problem, they'll have some quarantine for a period of time. So I think it's too early to say what the impact would be. I know that rates are actually falling in China, which is a good news story, but we'll see how that persists as we go forward.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#13

And just give us an update on supply constraints. Would you say relative to where you were at the end of December or January that things there are the same, better, worse and maybe highlight a couple of -- I'm sure that there's still a couple of lingering areas that you're having, at least, lead time issues with, what would those types of components be maybe outside of -- maybe it's just electronics.

David Regnery

executive
#14

Well, I mean, electronics as we said in our fourth quarter call is the leading constraint that we have right now, electronics, electronic components. And as I said in my opening, we're working very closely with our suppliers to understand -- and this is an example where we've learned we have to swim upstream a bit. So it's not just the broker you may have been buying a chip from. It's who's the manufacturer of the wafer, who's the manufacturer of the chip, what's the relationships there. So all that activity is happening. We're also doing a lot of work to, to kind of self-help in this area, things like utilizing next-generation chips that are more readily available. We're also doing some work with how you modulate fans at a more detailed level that is helping the situation as well. But it's going to persist for -- through the first half of year. We think it's going to get better in the second half of the year, but we'll stay tuned.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#15

But it sounds -- that sounds kind of stable at this stage, like the stuff that you were seeing a couple of months ago is the same stuff you're seeing today?

David Regnery

executive
#16

Yes. I would -- stable isn't the word I would use because I think it's pretty dynamic still in the electronics components. I will tell you that if you go back to the September, October time period, I mean, we were getting disruptions that were more extreme, like we would be getting calls. If you were a plant manager, you get a call saying, "Oh, your copper tubing is not going to show up today." And those calls have subsided, which is a good news story. The electronics, electronic components, it's not just the chip, either it's electronic components that continues to be -- is a bottleneck. If we had a clean supply chain, our revenue would be obviously much stronger than it is right now with our backlog in the position that it is.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#17

Chris, maybe you could just remind us of what you had said on that front because you guys said that there were some -- for some revenues that shifted in the fourth quarter and then some revenue you shifted out of the fourth quarter. Maybe just give us a status update on the timing of when -- what those numbers were and then the timing of how those revenues make their way back into the fray in '22.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#18

Yes, we said, Steve, actually, third quarter of last year, about $150 million of the revenue got pushed out of the third quarter, and we thought we'd get $50 million to $75 million of that revenue back in the fourth quarter. You should get a little bit better than that in the fourth quarter. It still shows that we didn't have as much revenue last year as we could have, and we had a very strong year in terms of revenue. So we guided 2022 to really high single-digit revenue growth just based on the volumes we could see from the supply chain. It's not a demand issue. It's really a supply chain limiting factor issue. And if supply chain recovers more quickly, I think we'll have a stronger year. But that, call it, $50 million to $75 million that didn't happen last year, that's kind of baked in now into 2022.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#19

Was there something that compounded in the fourth quarter as well? Or was it really just that third quarter -- those third quarter sales that worked their way into this year because conceivably, you had maybe that built on itself. Is there a little more than that happened before?

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#20

Well, think of it as it is rolling, right? So while you missed the $150 million, we got $50 million to $75 million of that back. The $150 million actually did get revenued in the fourth quarter, but then some of that slipped into 2022.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#21

Got it. So that's interesting. On just the quarter-to-date trends, Carrier talked about positive upside at resi and light commercial. What are you guys seeing in the U.S. markets there on resi and light commercial?

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#22

Yes. What I would say, Steve, we don't give...

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#23

I'm asking him as well. So don't -- he's going to -- he's turning towards you, but it's a question for both of you.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#24

No, no, I appreciate it. We don't give inter-quarter updates, but we did start the year in a great position in the resi business with record backlog. We generally manage that backlog and we describe it in terms of weeks. We had months of backlog entering the year in terms of residential. So let's see how that kind of plays out. What we saw in the first quarter because we gave a little bit more guidance around the first quarter just to really dial in what we could see, try to be transparent. We guided low to mid-single-digit revenue growth, and that was really all from price. We just -- at the time when we gave the guidance, we wanted to understand really where the supply chain was at. Let's see how that plays out through the quarter, but it was going to be a very low volume benefit on a year-over-year basis in Q1. But on the resi part of the question, it was a great year to start in residential with the backlog, much like our other businesses.

David Regnery

executive
#25

And our unitary business, if you look at the fourth quarter, our incoming order rates were up over 20%.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#26

Right. Light commercial. Light commercial is what's in the question here. Yes.

David Regnery

executive
#27

Light commercial, unitary. So it's been very strong. It's very strong in 2021.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#28

And how do we think about resi order rates have -- I'm not sure why you guys even report that stuff. I guess you have to talk about it because you report orders. So you have to kind of explain. Some of the numbers are just crazy. They're all over the place. How do we see that playing out over the course of this year? Carrier just talked about that number being down in the first quarter. You're going to have some tough comps in the first half. How do you see those order rates playing out in '22?

David Regnery

executive
#29

Yes. I mean if -- just so everyone's grounded here. In 2021, we saw our order rates for resi to be up close to 30%. So we don't anticipate that we're going to be up 30% every year in resi. So we have some tough comps that we're going to be facing from an incoming order standpoint. I think if we look at our resi business, which, by the way, is about 20% of our total business, we have very strong backlog, very strong price realization, and we have some leading brands in the marketplace. So we're kind of we'll see how the year plays out. It's still early.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#30

Got it. We'll get back to resi cycle in a sec, but I just wanted to clean up some of the details on the guide. Price/cost, can you maybe remind us of what you guys had talked about on the call? And then I have a follow-up question on pricing.

David Regnery

executive
#31

Sure. You want to start, Chris?

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#32

Yes, happy to, Dave. I actually think -- and Dave and I have talked about this before, the ability to price last year is probably one of the most improved parts of our business operating system. It really started with getting the forward look of input costs as best as we could. And we had started last year very early with that first price increase. It really was in the December 2020 time frame or January of 2021. It really led to the first half of last year being very strong on the price/cost equation. And then that narrowed as we got into the second half of the year. Ultimately, end of 2021, we were price cost positive. That's the same guide we gave for 2022 to be dollar price cost positive on the year. But in terms of just taking as much price as we exited in Q4, which is around 5.5 points of price in the enterprise, that is going to carry over to the first half of the year, but we're comping against very moderate inflation. That's why we see the price/cost dynamic being negative in the first half of '22, Steve. Second half, it's going to get easier. That's how we thought about the guidance back in January. Price should continue to be strong. We had our fourth price increase in 14 months that went out in the January time frame. We remain nimble in terms of if we need to execute more price for the input costs going up higher. We have that ability. But we see the second half being stronger because we're going to moderate against the inflation and the price is going to continue. But that's going to put a margin headwind ultimately on the full year, just the dollars being almost equal on the price/cost side, that will be around 50 basis points, a margin headwind would be our expectation.

David Regnery

executive
#33

And Steve, I know you were involved early on, on this when we started with our product growth teams and how we put that as part of our business operating system. That's how we're really able to stay ahead of what we're -- what these teams are seeing from a pricing standpoint. So if we have to take another price increase, we took one in January in most parts of the world. If we have to take another, we'll act accordingly.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#34

Carrier did 9% across most of its North American businesses. Is that the right magnitude that you guys did in January?

David Regnery

executive
#35

We're in the range.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#36

In the range. And then does your guidance assume -- your guidance, I'm sure, embedded that price increase. Does your guidance embed another price increase or that next price increase, whenever it comes, will be whatever in response to...

David Regnery

executive
#37

Yes, we bet in the price increase, and we bet in what we were anticipating to see from an inflationary standpoint. If those equations start to change, we'll change. And then the good news is, is the ability of our teams to see around that corner has dramatically improved from where we were, we'll say, I don't know, 7 or 8 years ago.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#38

Right, right. So I mean it's an absolute part of the strategy. And what -- could there be a time here where steel goes down, some of these inflationary period subside where you have a on an annual basis, a much more significant spread than kind of the $20 million to $30 million that I think you -- or maybe it's $30 million to $40 million, whatever you had talked about historically as your entitlement, if you will. Could there be a time period where it could be a lot bigger than that on an annual basis? Because what's strange about this cycle is that even with all the inflation, you guys all did like an unbelievable job of staying at least neutral on an absolute dollar basis. It hurt the margin, but it was still neutral on a dollar basis.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#39

Right, right.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#40

So is this all just good news that when it comes down, it's going to be -- you're going to have like a windfall type of event at some point in time?

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#41

Well, I think that's the question for me is, at what point in time, right? When I looked to the future, just 3, 4 months -- 3, 4 weeks ago just on aluminum and copper, it didn't look like those prices were coming down. Steel was starting to see a little bit of a recovery and retreat. We lock in steel for 6 months. So from a pricing perspective, whatever happens in the month of March, we should really start seeing in the month of September, October. So yes, could there be a spread? We go into any year thinking 20 to 30 basis points of a spread but we have to just see what that landscape is. It's an industry that typically sticks on to price. And so we have to just see what is that landscape going out. But for this year, we're thinking about price/cost positive on a dollar basis on the full year. Let's see how that plays out. But I'd love to be in that environment and kind of test the theory of where does it go.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#42

Well, I guess, strategically, though, do you -- this is almost a question for you. He comes to you with the numbers and says, here's a 100 basis points of spread. Do you say, "All right, let's book it and squeeze the shorts." Or do you say, "Okay, let's figure out how we're going to strategically allocate it to either investments or maybe taking a little bit of market share in a geography that we want to be in," like what's the mindset there?

David Regnery

executive
#43

It's an industry obviously that has typically not given back price, okay? I don't think -- I don't remember a time -- and I've been in this industry a long time, where we've had 4 price increases in a year, just to be fair. So it's an industry that's pretty disciplined from that perspective. And as far as investing in our business, we love to invest in our business, some of the highest returns we get. So we're always looking for opportunities to redeploy money. And by the way, that's why our framework is 30% and 25%. There could be a period of time where it's lower than that based on what investment opportunities we have in the company.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#44

Incrementals in the 30% and...

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#45

Incrementals, right.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#46

The long-term incremental is 25% plus. So we'll see how that plays out year by year.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#47

Yes. So I guess if you didn't get those because of price/cost over a couple of years, maybe you would overdrive on that because that's kind of your average entitlement over time? I mean I'm just -- the people are trying to figure out whether there is this kind of windfall dynamic coming and it happens for maybe a quarter sometimes. But historically, even with a good couple of quarters, you don't tend to see it in the actual drop-through of margin because you guys smartly say, this is free money for me, I'm going to go and invest in growth.

David Regnery

executive
#48

Well, I wouldn't say it's free money, but it's the ability to fuel our innovation pipeline.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#49

Right. Well, I guess an upside surprise, right? So moving into the businesses a little bit. On the resi front, maybe what's your latest and greatest on the cycle and age of system. This is the question that we have to ask everybody, So...

David Regnery

executive
#50

No, no, that's okay. I mean residential...

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#51

I know you have...

David Regnery

executive
#52

I have a unit at my home and hopefully, everyone in the audience has one at their home and it says Trane on the outside, or American Standard. Look...

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#53

I guess how old is it? And when are you going to replace it? You roll it every 3 -- oh, you're billing it in half. Sorry. That's probably a lot of systems, maybe a commercial system.

David Regnery

executive
#54

No, no, no. It's a little single split system, 3.5 tons. I'm just kidding. Look, residential, it's about 20% of our total business, okay? So just keep that as a framework, right? Over the long term, right, we look at resi as a GDP-plus business. And I think you could get caught up a lot in these cycles, but look at it as a GDP-plus business. Look at -- if you look at what drives that business, it's consumer confidence, it's GDP, it's unemployment. Those are key indicators as to how that business is going to be performing. If you look at what we're expecting in 2022, we see growth in new construction. If you tried to buy a house, okay, or build a house, it's -- there's a lot of demand out there right now. So we see that -- although it's a smaller part of our business, we see that having growth in 2022. As far as the replacement cycle, we don't see a lot of movement there. We don't see it falling off a cliff, but we don't see a lot of movement. As far as the run time on equipment, yes, I mean, the planet, unfortunately, is getting warmer, right? So cooling degree days are up. There's more heat pumps that are sold into the marketplace. So yes, units are running longer. I can't quantify that as to what that's going to mean in a replacement kind of cycle.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#55

Right. The data is obviously kind of fragmented and tough to...

David Regnery

executive
#56

Yes, exactly.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#57

Yes, tough to -- and anything on the competitive dynamics there? I mean things change around and feel like in waves every couple of years, somebody pops up and takes all of the share and then that kind of normalizes. What are you guys seeing -- competitors...

David Regnery

executive
#58

Well, I mean, I think -- yes. I mean, I think overall, it's -- there's good competitors out there, which makes it a great industry. We haven't seen a lot of movement in competition.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#59

And then just to clarify on the resi side, and maybe this is kind of bridge us to the commercial discussion. In Europe, there was a lot of lots of buzz around them pressing on incentives for residential heat pumps. How do you guys -- all the I don't believe any of the U.S. guys have a substantial business in residential. Correct me if I'm wrong, but how do you guys play there if you do it like that?

David Regnery

executive
#60

Yes. We're predominantly on the applied side in Europe. And understanding the European residential play, it's really a heating market. I mean most homes that are in the built environment in Europe are not AC or okay, they're heating. I think they'll -- really, it's going to come down to heat pump technology, but it will be a little bit different than what you're seeing here in the States, most states -- they don't have split systems. They don't have DUCs running through their home. So it would be a more of a variable flow type system that would be -- that you'd be able to get heating and cooling for.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#61

Is there -- I mean you guys don't have one of these JVs? I mean, there -- so that's a market that you'd have to really invest a lot to kind of to get into?

David Regnery

executive
#62

Yes, we don't -- our joint venture with Mitsubishi does not cover Europe, okay?

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#63

That's the U.S., right.

David Regnery

executive
#64

So -- but again, we're not in the resi space in Europe, is it an opportunity? We look at lots of opportunities. We really like our applied business in Europe, and we really like the innovations that we've been able to develop there specifically around decarbonization, with our heat pump technology systems that we've been able to deploy.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#65

I'm going to get to that in one second, but I just wanted to clean up the resi discussion. How are you guys approaching the '23 and '25. Where are you on the technology development there? And do you plan on updating everything at once? Or is it kind of a step-by-step process across the portfolio?

David Regnery

executive
#66

Yes. I mean, we've taken a philosophy. This goes back probably 8 to 10 years where we're not going to wait for regulation to come up with a better solution. And resi, it's a little bit different. We have all the product -- majority of the products available today that can meet the 2023 regulation. It's about efficiency, and I could go into a lot of detail, but I won't. But we're ready for that. We don't see a pre-buy, if that's the next question. It will -- there'll be a prebuy, but it won't be like what happened, Steve, that you'll remember with the refrigerant chain from 410 to R-22. That won't -- the industry, I think, is more disciplined for that to occur. As far as the refrigerant change that's happening in that in 2025, that's where you just you need to -- the solutions exist, okay? So I'm not worried about that. It's just how they get rolled out will be the timing. And a lot of that has to do with building codes just to be -- so you understand how that works.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#67

Right. But I guess for you guys to prepare for that, do you know what you need to do product-wise at this stage?

David Regnery

executive
#68

Everything we -- yes, absolutely. We're well on our way. I have no concern at all on the product side or from an engineering standpoint.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#69

Got it. So then on the commercial front, just sticking with Europe because we were there. Talk about how your heat pump solution is growing and how it's kind of a hybrid solution over in Europe in the commercial front?

David Regnery

executive
#70

Well, if you go back a little bit, we acquired a company probably about 6 years ago now called Thermocold, which was, at the time, we thought a novel innovation, which was called a simultaneously heating and cooling, it was called the 4-pipe chiller. We took that technology and we added to it, okay? We put our controls on top of it and then augment it to create systems around it. And now we basically have the ability to eliminate the need for fossil fuel in a building like this in all climates. And you do that through creating a system. It's not just a heat pump, there's different elements within that system. And it's a really simple concept here. A fossil fuel, okay, besides the greenhouse gas, is really inefficient, right? Because when you're burning fossil fuel, you're creating energy. And when you create energy, there's a cost. So a unit of energy that goes into a boiler, on average, which is always dangerous, equals 0.8 on the other side. You're creating energy. When you use a heat pump solution, you're basically moving energy. So a unit of energy equals 3.5 on the backside. So these are so much more efficient, these systems. And just think of the impact of eliminating fossil fuels in buildings like this, like next door that's being built, right? These are very important as we start thinking about how we're going to decarbonize tomorrow. And the other argument, and I've heard this already is, well, what if the source of the energy is coming from coal, the source of the electricity. The efficiency is so great that you still have a reduction in your greenhouse gas. So these are solutions that are scaling. And we're very, very successful in Europe, as you could see by the results and what we've been able to do.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#71

It's a great example, too, of an acquisition, a bolt-on acquisition, early-stage technology, Steve, that we brought into a deep channel and then the cash flow returns on that one specifically are 80% plus. So we love that combination of the early-stage technology and deep channels in our markets, and this one is playing out very, very well.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#72

Yes. I think FRIGOBLOCK has been also...

David Regnery

executive
#73

FRIGOBLOCK is on the Thermo King side, thanks for bringing that up. That's, again -- our Thermo King business, I know we haven't talked about it. I'm sure you have lots of questions on it. But our Thermo King business is really moving to electrification, right? How do you eliminate the need for a diesel burning engine within your units? And FRIGOBLOCK allows us through their inverter technology to really accelerate that. That's why we acquired the company, and that's why you see us really kind of first to market with some of the electric solutions we have, and we're starting obviously with home delivery because that's where the market is the most mature, but we have solutions all the way through, including trailers.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#74

Carrier had mentioned they were the first to come to market with an all-electric trailer solution.

David Regnery

executive
#75

I don't know exactly -- we have -- we do a lot with our modeling and simulations. So first of all, a commercially viable trailer, there's not a lot of all-electric tractors. In fact, I don't think there's any. So you need -- if you're going to be -- you have to think that all the way through. We have units that are driving down the highways today that we're really using for -- it's more about data gathering and how we can help our customers use their units, which are very, very -- I mean, there's some really cool stories I could tell you about what we've learned working with customers as they're migrating to the electric solutions and how they should be operating tomorrow and even in their distribution centers to make them greener. And it's amazing the learnings you have when you're close to the customer.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#76

So how big is this, the European heat pump business now? I think you guys had said that was $100 million plus or something like that?

David Regnery

executive
#77

Well, I think we said the market opportunity was $1 billion, to be fair. I don't know why the market opportunity isn't everything, right? Why do we need fossil fuel, right? I ask you, why do we need fossil fuel? Why do we want to put fossil fuel in a new construction -- it doesn't make any sense at all. And it's just -- it's one of those things where -- I was in London a couple of days ago. And someone asked me from the audience, they said, well, it's so compelling, why do we have people that still put fossil fuels into buildings? And my answer was, I don't know, but help me spread the word, right? I mean this -- the world is getting warmer, and this is a technology that exists today. It exists today. It's not something new, right? We've been selling this for 3 or 4 years, and we improve it every year. We need to get the word out. We need to have this technology deployed throughout the globe. And it can have a dramatic reduction. Dramatic reduction in greenhouse gas.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#78

So that's a $1 billion market opportunity that's growing 10% plus?

David Regnery

executive
#79

Well, I think you'll be careful with the growth because that could be growing, but maybe conventional units will be coming down. So you always have to be looking at what's being eroded on the other side.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#80

Right. So I guess on net, you would think your European HVAC business can grow mid-singles on net? Is that...

David Regnery

executive
#81

We like the growth that we've been able to demonstrate in that business over time. And we have a great team there, and they're constantly challenging what's possible and innovating for tomorrow. So stay tuned.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#82

Steve, like Dave mentioned before, residential HVAC, GDP-plus business. We really think those commercial HVAC businesses are a multiple of GDP. And there's one example. The decarbonization, regulation, indoor air quality, all those kind of contribute to that viewpoint.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#83

And so turning to the services side of your business and I think you guys were out in front of most of your competitors and really targeting services. Maybe talk about how that strategy has evolved, and a lot of these guys are giving attachment rates. Can you talk about your attachment rate? And then how you define that because everybody defines it differently.

David Regnery

executive
#84

That's the problem with attachment rates is you have to tell me someone's definition. I would tell you on a new applied system, we're always attached, right? Why would we not be, right? Unit's under warranty, customer wants to make sure that the unit is operating the way it was designed. And by the way, that's evolving to not just the way it was designed mechanically, but how much energy it's using, right? Why would you ever want to use more energy than you need. So we're always attached to new installations. If you look at our service business, this is like -- I always tell people that at Trane Technologies, we're a great company because of a system of things, right, not just one, but a system of things, whether it be our direct sales force, whether it be our product breadth, whether it be our controls capability or whether it be our service capability. Our service business and our commercial HVAC on a global basis, over the last 5 years, has grown high single digits, compounded annual growth rate, and that includes 2020, and we all know what happened in 2020. So it's not just about what's been said or what people are going to do. I mean if you look at our performance over time, you hit it, Steve. Yes, we've been thinking about service and how we grow it for an extended period of time. And we've demonstrated with our results. What's changing, okay, is really on the energy side, right? Service agreements are no longer just break fix. They're now moving to energy performance contracting really, right, which is really an energy service agreement, which is how much energy are you using and why are you using too much? That's what's going to allow you to roll a truck to say, "I need to come take a look at your building because you're using too much energy today." That's where that industry is going. So if you think about connected strategy, being connected to assets, being connected to buildings. This is where you have a service organization. Again, it's a system of things that makes Trane Technology as a great company, and that's a key element of it.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#85

Now that performance contracting structure has been around for a while. That's not necessarily new. I mean Honeywell does some of that, JCI does some of that. When you think about those -- either those deals or maybe a long-term standard service agreement that may have some elements of that in it, how much of the installed base do you believe you're penetrated on for agreements beyond warranty? So like a 3- to 4-year ago or however long it is, like what's the penetration? And then therefore, what is the opportunity?

David Regnery

executive
#86

Yes. I can tell you, we have a -- it's different than the ESCO business, okay? It's a little bit different. You're not giving a guarantee although we could give a guarantee, but you're not giving a guarantee and then going to float a bond and then paying for the bond with the savings, okay? It's a little bit different model. If I look at our service business, we have about -- depending on where we are in the globe, we have about 20 KPIs that we look at, okay, we call it our dashboard. And I'm not going to go through every single one of what we look at. But I would tell you, it's things like how many assets are connected? How many buildings are connected? How many energy contracts do you have? Those would be things that we would be looking at. We call them driver metrics, and think of a driver metric as something that's going to have a more strategic impact long term. We also have a lot of watch metrics that we look at. And this is, are we seeing the results that we want? So we have a very sophisticated way when we look at our service business, and that's part of the reason why we've been able to demonstrate compounded annual growth of high single digits over the last 5 years, including 2020.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#87

So how many assets are connected and how many contracts do you have?

David Regnery

executive
#88

Yes. This part is where I could get too far ahead, and we're not going to give a complete road map because I've done that before. So -- but it's meaningful, right? You think about our service business, in the Americas, in our commercial HVAC business in the Americas, 50% of our business is services. In Europe, it's 50% of our businesses, our business. In Asia and Latin America and Middle East, it's less. But 2 very big markets, 50% of our business is service.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#89

And that mix has grown over 10 points since the last downturn. And that was a directional deliberative action by the company to go do that.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#90

And then just lastly from me before I turn it over to the audience. The trends in U.S. applied equipment or North America applied equipment, what are you guys seeing there? What's the expectation for the year? Any hiccups with inflation where projects are getting canceled or anything like that?

David Regnery

executive
#91

We're not seeing any cancellation. In fact, I was with several customers yesterday when I flew in. We met with -- they're not seeing cancellations. That was one of the questions I asked them. And these are major developers here in New York. They're not seeing cancellations. And you think about it, I mean, to cancel an applied project, there's a lot of people involved, right? You have an engineer, you have an architect, you have probably a GC, probably mechanicals and an end customer. So that's -- it's a long cycle. If it's going to get canceled, it's going to get canceled early on, and we haven't seen that.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#92

And then what is your -- I think you guys have given this before, but like the IAQ side of the story, what's kind of the backlog there? What's the -- at least the order rates on the IAQ stuff? You guys have given this before.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#93

It was 2% of revenues last year in terms of growth. We started the year in thinking it was 1% to 2%, it wound up being at the higher end of that range, Steve. It's embedded in that $5.4 billion of backlog we ended the year with and I think it contributes to that multiple of GDP view that we have for commercial HVAC. It's really hard to split that out from an order though today, right? Because it's a bundle of services and/or equipment we're putting together. So it's really hard to say, well, I know this is an IAQ order versus, say, 2 years ago when just the start of all those indoor air quality audits were happening. Those were very clear. Now it's really hard...

David Regnery

executive
#94

And it's really embedded in systems. Now they're not -- it's not like until...

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#95

Yes, yes. We -- no, absolutely.

David Regnery

executive
#96

One of the things about IAQ is early on, there were a lot of people that jumped to different solutions, and they're starting to learn that some of those solutions were not -- they weren't the best solutions. And by the way, some of them use a lot of energy. So we're doing a lot of work to help our customers on that road map.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#97

So what are they honing in on now? Just a higher kind of level of filter and therefore, the machine runs harder?

David Regnery

executive
#98

I think it's again taking a system view, okay, understanding what the use of the facility is going to be and then coming up with the optimal. It could be very sophisticated, like dry hydrogen peroxide. It could be bipolar ionization, and that works great in certain applications and not on other applications. It could just be the density of your filter. Make sure your system is designed to handle the density of your filter. Or it could be just fresh air exchanges. Understand the fresh share exchange is energy, right? You're going to bring in more air from the outside. You're going to have to condition that air. To condition that air, it requires energy.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#99

Yes. Yes. Well, they're building that big thing next door that...

David Regnery

executive
#100

I happen to see it. It's really loud. In my hotel room, I think I was hearing it. So...

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#101

Hopefully, that one doesn't get canceled.

David Regnery

executive
#102

Always going to get canceled. Is your office on the top?

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#103

No. You can see the basement from over here.

David Regnery

executive
#104

I don't believe you. I don't believe you.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#105

Right down there. It's fine. I like to be in the basement. Any questions out there? Okay. On China and your strategy there from a commercial perspective, anything to speak of as far as changes there, further investments, seems pretty steady state versus relative to what you did a couple of years ago.

David Regnery

executive
#106

Yes, I mean...

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#107

You put a bunch of feet on the street.

David Regnery

executive
#108

I think 5 years ago or so, we made a significant investment. We took some chapters out of our business operating system in the Americas and moved them to China which mean a direct sales force. And we made the effort at that time to -- if you remember, we were explaining that for a while on different earnings calls as to where we're getting a return. If I look back on that in 5 years, I believe we're up 500 basis points in margin?

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#109

Over 500 basis points, yes.

David Regnery

executive
#110

So again, it's about having a strategy, sticking to it, don't become short-term thinking, go for the long term. We become -- we know what happens, right? You have a direct sales force, you have a longer appetite to close orders. You start to become basis of design. You're working with architects, you're working with engineers, you're working with end customers. That's a solution that works. It doesn't matter where you are in the world. And we're very happy with the results that we've been able to achieve in China.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#111

And then lastly, on Thermo King. I think ACT just extended out a year, and they now have it down '24 after stronger-than-expected '22 and '23. What's your visibility on the sustainability of growth with the supply constraints that are out there? How do you kind of feel about that, that business', a, ability to deliver, and then because things have been pushed so far and you're kind of controlling the backlog, how should we think about orders as we move through the course of this year?

David Regnery

executive
#112

Yes. Obviously, again, that's another business like residential. We had very high incoming order rates in 2021. So you'll have tough compares all year there. As far as ACT and how their ability is to forecast the North America trailer market and tractor market, which is where they focus. Actually, they lowered their number a little bit for the full year of 2022 already by about 500 or 1,000 units. It's not significant. And they did not push that out. So I don't know where that's going to go, we have to ask them. But I think that they have it about right.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#113

They didn't raise '23 a little bit?

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#114

What they did is they held '23, but they lowered '22 by 500 units.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#115

Oh, they held '23.

David Regnery

executive
#116

I mean it's a -- the good news about -- I mean just -- you get caught up in ACT. I mean, at the end of the day, they're forecasting for the next several years, and I'm talking more than 3, more like 5 or 6 years that the market is going to be in the mid-40,000 range. And that's a very strong market. And by the way, we're not -- what's this year at, 30 or 40...

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#117

Low 40s for this year, and it's going to 50,000...

David Regnery

executive
#118

So I mean, this is a business that's -- the trailer market will be, I'll call it, stable, but Thermo King is more than just a trailer market. It's a very diversified business there. I ran this business 10-plus years ago and it used to be trailer and truck, that's all we talked about. We now have auxiliary power units. We have units for airplanes. We have units for railcars. We have units for buses. We have marine systems. So this is a very diversified business. And if you think about some of the fundamentals, it's about moving perishables, okay, and you think about the fact that 30% of all food that's produced is wasted, and about half of that is wasted because of the way it's transported. We see the demand for controlled the atmospheres to move perishables. We see a lot of room there.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#119

One more question just on the balance sheet. You guys have generated a lot of cash flow over the years and your balance sheet is pretty clean. You talked about bolt-ons, but is there a potential to do something maybe bigger than a bolt-on? Of course, a bolt-on is a couple of billion dollars.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#120

Yes. That's how we think about it, too. We don't feel that we have any holes in the portfolio per se, Steve. But you're right. We've got an outstanding balance sheet, a lot of firepower. We think about deploying that cash to first, funneling investments and making sure we're outgrowing markets, growing the dividend and growing that with earnings over time. And then we're going to look at M&A, strategic M&A that the examples we gave earlier on those early-stage technologies and bringing them through the channel, those are great, great deals. We've done some channel acquisitions in the Americas, in Australia and New Zealand in the last 13, 14 months. Those are great returns as well. Those are 30% to 40% return, cash flow return on invested capital. But if M&A is not there, we're going to look at the share repurchase option as well, and we have a lot of ability to deploy. On the M&A side, just being the large HVAC company, we are HVACT, we see a lot of deals. So we would look at everything.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#121

But it sounds like bolt-ons. I mean I'm not even sure what's out there of size unless you're starting to getting a little more global, I guess?

David Regnery

executive
#122

Yes. I mean, we like being a pure play. I'll say that.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#123

Do you feel comfortable with your position in data center?

David Regnery

executive
#124

We like our position in data center. We love dealing with data center customers because they tend to be the ones that are the most -- pushing you the most on being greener and helping develop solutions and our engineers love it because they get to think creatively and be challenged. So we like our position in data centers.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#125

Are you happy with both product and channel there? Like your you're in to the customer on that front? Or is that something that you could possibly reinforce because...

David Regnery

executive
#126

We like our position with data centers.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#127

AAON has done BasX and JCI has done Silent-Aire...

David Regnery

executive
#128

And we have portfolio of products that plays well in that space. So it's not the product side, it's about the innovation that you're driving there. We had a really cool project. Listen to this one, in Europe, where we basically -- the data centers generate a lot of heat, right? That's why they need cooling. When you have cooling, you're removing heat. And we basically found a way to recycle the heat, and we were actually heating a local school and it's a closed loop system. So it goes back into the data center and there's a temperature differential of the water coming back. So it's very economical for the data center. And by the way, you have a great PR relationship with heating a local school. So those are the types of solutions that we like to get pushed by our data center customers, and they always have creative ideas.

C. Stephen Tusa

analyst
#129

Guys, thank you so much for coming. I appreciate it.

David Regnery

executive
#130

All right. Thanks. Thanks, everyone. Appreciate it.

Christopher Kuehn

executive
#131

Appreciate it.

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