Turkiye Garanti Bankasi A.S. (GARAN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 30, 2026

IBSE TR Financials Banks earnings 43 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining Garanti BBVA's First Half 2026 Financial Results Webcast. Today, representing Garanti BBVA, we are joined by our CEO, Mr. Mahmut Akten; our CFO, Mr. Atil Özus; and our Head of Investor Relations, Ms. Ceyda Akinç. Following management's presentation we will open the floor for questions. You can either use a raise hand function or submit your questions through the Q&A box. Without further ado, I will now hand over to management.

Ceyda Akinç

executive
#2

Hello, everyone. We are pleased to be with you again following another solid set of results. First, let me begin with macroeconomic environment we are in. GDP growth was 2.5% in the first quarter, and we now cast a similar level as of June. Activity is expected to recover modestly in the second half of the year, thus we maintain our 3% growth forecast for the full year. On the right-hand side, you can find our inflation and interest rate forecast. Higher food and energy prices slowed down the improvement in headline inflation. Nevertheless, preserved tight financial conditions and fiscal discipline have supported our 30% year-end CPI forecast. Authorities continue to pursue a carefully balanced policy mix, combining gradual monetary normalization with tight macro prudential measures. Therefore, we expect the funding rate to gradually converge towards the policy rate by September. The timing of the first easing step remains data dependent and may be affected by oil price volatility. If conditions allow, limited rate cuts might resume in the fourth quarter. Moving into current account deficit. Weak foreign demand and high commodity prices lead to a worsening in external balance, yet resilient tourism revenues and moderation in economic activity could prevent further deterioration. We now expect current account deficit to GDP to be around 3.5% versus around 2% estimate in the beginning of the year. Evolution of energy prices will determine the external outlook. Fiscal discipline on the right-hand side continues to support macroeconomic stabilization. Expenditure discipline remains broadly intact, while income taxes continue to support revenue performance. We expect fiscal deficit to be close to the medium-term plan target of 3.5% in '26. Now moving into our financials. I will start with the net income. In the first 6 months of the year, we generated TRY 64 billion in net income, up by 20% year-on-year, while recording 28% return on equity. Well-defended NII, robust fee generation and stronger contribution from financial subsidiaries reinforced solid earnings delivery. On a quarterly basis, we had a single-digit decline in net income, mainly due to lower trading income and increased provision that I will elaborate more on the following slides. I would like to highlight that we used 27% CPI rate in the valuation of CPI linker's income. If we had used 30% rate, our net income would have been close to TRY 2 billion higher. Our diversified revenue sources once again enabled earnings resilience. Now moving into Slide 7. Against a challenging macro backdrop, we managed to defend our sector-leading core banking revenues. Strong fee generation and the growing contribution from our financial subsidiaries have cushion cyclical pressure on net interest income and trading. I will discuss net interest income and fees in more detail on the following slides. Here, I would like to briefly touch on trading income. In the first quarter, the upward shift in swap curves resulted in mark-to-market gains on our swap portfolio. As swap curves normalized in the second quarter and these short-term positions matured, this positive contribution faded. Lower client activity, client foreign currency activity also weighed on the trading income. Therefore, we had lower trading income in the second quarter. That said, trading income represents less than 5% of our gross income and more sensitive to market volatility, our earnings profile continues to be driven by sustainable core banking revenues, namely interest income and fee generation. As a result, we delivered 43% year-on-year growth in core banking revenues. If we look at our asset mix, our total assets reached TRY 5.2 trillion and loans make up 55% of the assets, supporting sustainable and recurring revenue generation. We maintained our growth pace both in TL and foreign currency loans. In foreign currency securities, you may notice a sharp decline in the second quarter. This mainly reflects the maturity of our $3 billion short-term placement made in high-quality liquid assets at the end of the first quarter. Excluding this temporary impact, our foreign currency securities increased modestly Q-on-Q. In TL Securities, we continue to selectively increase our floating rate notes. Moving to Slide 9 for further insight on TL loan portfolio. We maintained our disciplined growth strategy, further strengthening our presence in mid and small enterprises while reinforcing our leading position in general purpose loans and credit cards. Now let's look at the evolution of our asset quality. As our loan mix continues to evolve towards consumer lending and credit cards, we continue to proactively identify and classify these exposures. Accordingly, the Stage 2 share in total loans increased modestly to 12%, mainly reflecting higher SICR classifications, as you can see on the right-hand side. Importantly, 84% of the SICR portfolio is non-delinquent at all, highlighting our prudent and forward-looking risk management approach. The higher share of early-stage SICR exposures also lowered our Stage 2 coverage ratio. Consumer loans and credit cards now account for around 75% of the SICR portfolio, consistent with the evolving loan mix. Here, I would like to also mention that around 55% of new general purpose loans are originated to salary customers, while credit card revolving rates have remained broadly stable at around 35%. In terms of restructured loans, as you can see on the chart, it declined during the quarter following the migration of previously restructured loans into Stage 3 with the end of the related regulation. If we move on to NPL inflow, the trend observed in Stage 2 was also evident in NPL inflows. Around 70% of new NPL inflows was coming from consumer loans and credit cards. And the end of restructuring regulation resulted in a temporary increase in NPL inflows during the second quarter and effect may also continue in the third quarter. We expect it to normalize in the fourth quarter. In terms of cost of risk, as we discussed on the previous 2 slides, cost of risk increased during the quarter, reflecting 3 main factors. First, we updated our provisioning models to incorporate the latest macroeconomic assumptions. Second, we continue to see NPL inflows from consumer loans and credit cards as our loan mix shifted towards these segments, largely due to regulatory caps. Third, the end of the restructuring regulation led to the migration of previous restructured bonds into Stage 3. While the first 2 reflect our portfolio strategy and operating environment, the regulatory migration effect expected to normalize in the fourth quarter. As a result, we continue to expect full year consolidated cost of risk to finish within the guided range, though towards the upper end due to combined impact of these quarter-specific factors and higher for longer interest rate environment. If you look at annual comparison on the right-hand side, first half '25 cost of risk benefited from exceptionally large provision reversals as provision reversals normalized in '26, the year-on-year comparison naturally resulted in higher blended cost of risk. Moving on to funding. Similar to our asset strategy, we continue to rely on customer-driven funding sources. Total customer deposits reached TRY 3.5 trillion, constitutes 66% of total assets and remain TL-heavy. Importantly, our share of free funds continues to be the highest among private banks, providing a key structural advantage for margin resilience. On the foreign currency side, half of the decline was due to gold price-related parity impact, while the remaining decrease reflected customer shift from foreign currency into TL assets. On external funding, we maintained our diversified funding mix. Total external debt currently stands at $9.8 billion, of which $4.5 billion is short term. Against this, we maintain a comfortable foreign currency liquidity buffer of $6.1 billion. We further diversified our funding mix in the second quarter. We successfully completed our first thematic syndicated loan. In addition, we completed 3 thematic bond issuances in line with Orange bond principles and climate change adaptation. And more recently, in July, we completed TRY 4 billion asset-backed securities issuance, further optimizing our capital structure. Moving on to net interest income. Our first half margin performance continued to stand out. The funding cost headwinds that emerged in March became more pronounced in the second quarter, putting pressure on margins and TL loan deposit spreads. Even so, we limited the quarterly decline in net interest income to just 5%. This quarter, as I mentioned in the beginning, we also revised up our CPI estimate to 27% from 23%, yet current inflation expectations still point to further upside. Assuming a 30% CPI assumption, net interest income would have been around TRY 3 billion higher and year-to-date net interest margin expansion would have been 20 bps higher. Let's move on to the P&L item, fees. Our first half fee performance remains one of the strongest in the sector. Our fee base was up by 42% -- 39% year-over-year and 12% Q-on-Q. Strength in payment systems continued to be the main driver of the growth. Money transfer fees, insurance fees as well as asset management fees further gained momentum. And over the past year, we welcomed 2.4 million new customers, bringing our total customer base to 31 million. We also maintained our leadership in customer satisfaction, ranking first in Net Promoter Score across retail mass, SME and mobile banking. Now moving into operating expenses. We are keeping our costs under control, growing in line with the budget and was up by 45%. We continue to have the lowest cost/income ratio among our peers. As always, we remain focused on capital generative growth, which is clearly reflected in our sector-leading capital ratios. Supported by strong earnings generation, we maintained our common equity Tier 1 ratio at around 12%. There was a limited decline in capital adequacy ratio due to sub-debt amortization impact. The foreign currency sensitivity to own capital adequacy ratio remains limited, and we have a strong TRY 149 billion excess capital, providing ample capacity to absorb market volatility while supporting future growth. With that, let me walk you through '26 operating plan guidance. I will begin with the macro assumptions on the left as these form the foundations of our planning framework. Our January baseline macro scenario was assuming 32% policy rate with 25% inflation. Since then, ongoing geopolitical development, as you're all aware, and heightened uncertainty they have led us to revise our macro assumptions twice. Our current base case assumes that funding costs will gradually converge towards policy rates by September. And now we expect year-end inflation to be around 30%. Against this macro backdrop, we maintain our loan growth guidance for both TL and foreign currency loans. As discussed earlier, we also remain on track to deliver our full year consolidated cost of risk guidance, although quarter-specific factors and higher for longer interest rate environment are likely to keep us towards the upper end of the guided range. Turning into margins. We have consistently communicated since April that funding costs will normalize only gradually. While we continue to expect margin expansion this year, the pace of improvement is likely to be modest than initially anticipated. Going forward, evolution of funding costs and macro prudential measures will continue to be the key swing factors for margins. In terms of fees and OpEx, we are also on track with our expectations. Finally, regarding profitability, the upward revision to our inflation assumption naturally creates downside risk for our real ROE outlook. In nominal terms, however, our guidance looks achievable depending on rate evolution. This concludes my presentation. Now we can take your questions.

Operator

operator
#3

Welcome to the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] Let’s begin with our first question from Mehmet Sevim, JPMorgan. Mehmet, please go ahead.

Mehmet Sevim

analyst
#4

I have just one question on the deposit balances, please. It seems you've grown your deposit -- TL deposit base quite significantly this quarter. I'm aware of the regulations, but I was wondering if this is simply a function of regulation? Or was this a deliberate decision to shore up liquidity maybe to be a bit more comfortable later in the year? Or was there any other reason behind it, given obviously your TL loan-to-deposit ratio declined about 10 percentage points in a single quarter. So I'm trying to understand if the steep NIM drop maybe is partly related to that and maybe if this is front-loaded and may result in a better performance later in the year. And connected to this, how are you thinking about the NIM evolution over the coming quarters, say, if in different scenarios of the rate trajectory?

Mahmut Akten

executive
#5

Thanks, Mehmet. Good questions. Number one, the decrease in NIM is mostly related to the post-war increase in the policy rate, or not more than policy rate, it is really funding rate by Central Bank, which has been increased. So when we did have the first quarter, we had only 1 month of higher cost of funding, which was not reflected on the total deposit base. Therefore, I think we discussed this in the last meeting as well, we'll see NIM being affected with the cost of funding, and we have seen that over our customer base. Yes, deposit balances, we typically go beyond ratios regardless and especially quarter-ends, we have more inflow. But we also optimize sometimes duration based on our beliefs as well. So we see an opportunity to grow, but we actively manage our deposit base is partially reflected in our numbers. But really, the real story is higher cost of funding and maybe more issues in the sector in terms of competing for deposit costs with the ratios at times. And that's the reason overall cost of funding has been higher than the first quarter, that's affecting NIM. Going forward, when you look at the 3 lines in the last chart that shows our January, April, and I think it was June or July. Going forward, the policy normalization is not going to happen before September, it looks like. So this is a much higher funding estimate than we have initially told, which is affecting the NIM. We may not or may or may not hit the 75 bps that we have forecasted. It's a bit hard to say at the moment. But in the beginning of the year, late last year, when we discussed about the NIM improvements, we have been always, as you know, Mehmet, relatively cautious because there is so much variable. And we typically put numbers that we believe that we can hit. It is still 75 bps achievable, but there is risks around it. The third quarter cost of funding will be still relatively high. The NIM will be relatively flat, but fourth quarter, we expect more improvement. But we are actively trying to manage between swap lines between onshore, offshore and deposit funding. Right, Atil? Would you like to add anything?

Kemal Ozus

executive
#6

Yes. Indeed, I mean, conservatively speaking, I think, as you said, the third quarter net interest margin could be similar to the second and fourth quarter will be increasing, but also there's an upside risk. I mean, even in the third quarter, we may see some improvement in net interest margin. So compared to our 75 basis point improvement, our improvement could be modest, maybe I mean 20, 25 to 40 basis point improvement we can see over last year.

Mahmut Akten

executive
#7

Maybe, Atil, it's only 1 month data, but in July, we have seen further improvement in cost of funding actually.

Kemal Ozus

executive
#8

Already, I mean compared to exit deposit costs, we already achieved more than 100 basis point decrease...

Mahmut Akten

executive
#9

In a single month, but it will be sustainable, but further improvement will only come probably in September when...

Kemal Ozus

executive
#10

Yes, sir.

Mahmut Akten

executive
#11

Further reduction happens. So that's the reason 1 month, 100 bps doesn't give us a lot of information, but it looks like we might be better than this quarter or flat cautiously, but very likely not below what we have achieved in terms of NIM. And the fourth quarter at the moment looks a lot better. As I said, 75 bps is still achievable, not an easy target, but still achievable depending on how things evolve. And if you look at the last 6, 7 months of 2025, there was a good flow and even January and February was very good month in terms of cost of funding. But situation with the war and further tightening of policy rate or funding rate has deferred our new development -- NIM development is like this, but we are hopeful that it will be better based on the 1-month information as well. Hopefully, this answers your questions.

Operator

operator
#12

Our next question comes from Ashwath from Goldman Sachs.

Ashwath PT

analyst
#13

I have a few questions. The first, I think it was mentioned that if the inflation assumption was to be revised upwards at 30 basis -- I mean, 30%, that would add another 20 basis points in terms of the NIM. Perhaps that's also one of the levers that could be used, I suppose, in addition to lower funding costs if the rate cuts do happen or the policy rates normalize. Just want to check my understanding on that. And the second part I wanted to ask was around fee growth and OpEx. Fee seems to be performing better than the guidance range, whereas OpEx is also at the lower end. So potentially, is that another lever to help achieve your ROE target for the year or at least close to it? And the final question I had was around the impact of the Romanian subsidiary sale. I was just wondering if you could quantify the impact of that in terms of an expectation of ROE in terms of basis points? And also whether that's embedded into your guidance of that -- whether it's embedded into your guidance for the year when you're saying potentially downside risk to positive real ROE, but are you actually considering that? Or is that something that is a bonus that could help you at the end of the year if it were to close, but not inside your guidance?

Mahmut Akten

executive
#14

Good questions, 3 or 3 plus. I'll go with the first two ones and the last one to Atil, who has been spending a lot of time on the subsidiary sales. But overall, the inflation assumption, 27% to 30%, it's just -- it happens to be the case that we have not adjusted in the second quarter just on time. But I think major competitor in the sector, everybody is accelerating to 30%. I want to mention that because if we have made the adjustments, we're almost making the same number with Q1 despite funding costs being significantly higher. These are, at the moment, within our forecast to reach to 75 bps improvement. As I said to Mehmet as well. I'm optimistic we will get close if we might hit the number or we might get very close, which includes this assumption. And now you mentioned on your second question, fee growth and OpEx. Those are really good points. Ceyda didn't mention those upsides. But in fees, actually, if you see -- if you look at the numbers, we have been always very strong and payment area in terms of customer acquisition, in terms of fee generation, it has been really year-over-year 35%, 36% is above inflation, good growth in fees. But also, you probably noticed 2 more areas, I mean, insurance and brokerage and securities. There, we had 65% to, I think, 79% or so improvement. These are areas we have focused a lot in the past. I mentioned transactionality and wealth management areas is very important for us in terms of ROE improvement as well and light capital approach. And for instance, in asset management, our company 2 years ago was #5 in terms of ranking and profitability and now it's #1. Similarly in other areas as well, leasing, factoring, we are #1 in profitability to #1. So we really care about those contributions. But on the fee side, especially on wealth management, which is very important for us. And I think in OpEx, we will try to optimize further our OpEx going forward as well. There might be some upsides there in terms of contribution to the numbers by the year-end. But always, we look at OpEx, partially investments as well because majority of the OpEx cost also comes from customer acquisition costs. That's reason I don't want to say we are very committed that we'll have further upside. If we see opportunities for long-term sustainable growth in terms of investing in customer acquisition or technology, especially on AI side, we have been continuing to invest and we see the results, we'll continue to do so. But on both sides, we have extra pluses because of our strategy. And third one question for you about...

Kemal Ozus

executive
#15

Romania.

Mahmut Akten

executive
#16

Romania.

Kemal Ozus

executive
#17

Yes, it's a process. And so far, it's on track -- and normally, we expect it to be concluded in the fourth quarter, mid-fourth quarter. This is, I mean, current expectation. And previously, in the first quarter results, we thought that the net income impact will be over EUR 100 million and the capital impact would be over 80 basis points in terms of capital adequacy ratio. And return equity impact depends on all these figures be subject to, let's say, FX rates or a couple of other things. But I mean, normal expectation is around 1.3%, 1.5% return on equity contribution. And it's included in our guidance that I mean, we could reach our nominal return on equity target.

Operator

operator
#18

Our next question comes from Mustafa Kemal Karakose TEB Investment.

Mustafa Karakose

analyst
#19

Do you hear me?

Mahmut Akten

executive
#20

Yes, we hear you.

Mustafa Karakose

analyst
#21

My first question is about cost of risk guidance for 2026. You maintained cost of risk guidance for 2026, but parent company, BBVA, second quarter points out worsening outlook for the rest of the year. And especially, we saw huge NPL inflow in July for the sector. Do you see a significant downside risk to your cost of risk guidance at the moment?

Mahmut Akten

executive
#22

Yes. Okay. That's a great question. First of all, BBVA way of calculating cost of risk is slightly different than us and their baseline was I think increased to 200. So number one is that. And number two, we mentioned in the past as well and today, we briefly touched on it, there is a normalization in cost of risk overall regardless of the segments over time. for the sector, not just for our bank. I'll give you a few data points. If you go back to 2017, for instance, the banking sector NPL ratio was 3.1%. Right now, it's again 3.1%. But in the meantime, between 2017 to 2020, it was between 4% to 6% for the sector. Different segments, different issues. But then with COVID and low cost of funding, the NPL ratio was down to 1.7% for the sector. And now it's normalizing a bit, normalizing on the back of -- there has been recently more NPL in credit card and so forth on consumer. And then as you recall, we discussed this, there has been 2 restructuring initiative by the regulators that we were allowed to do restructuring of both credit card and unsecured lending. And that basically is when you structure customers, when you extend the duration of your loan on the credit card to 5 years, you actually make it more affordable, make it possible for certain customers to pay back. But not everybody is able to do it because maybe they lost their jobs and things like that regardless. So we are deferring. We are moving the cost of risk from one quarter to another in those cases. And the latest second restructuring effort, if I'm right, until it was like mid-April that we finished. And then 90 days start to come in. So -- that's the reason those efforts are very helpful and very much right thing to do, especially given that the duration of high interest rate environment now for almost 3 years, it helps, but also shift cost of risk and NPL from one quarter to another. That's the reason we mentioned in the third quarter, the NPLs of the second restructuring will continue to flow in. But the fourth quarter, it will be normalized. So there is 2 normalization. One normalization over years, there has been normalization of cost of risk and NPL when you look at the last 10 years. But at the same time, this year and late last year, there have been 2 restructuring efforts in credit cards and GPL, unsecured lending. And third item, maybe third factor to think about is since pretty much many of the loan products are capped, credit card, along with a few business products like agriculture loans, things like that, is the main area that's not capped, and it has been growing like over 40%. So the -- from our numbers as well, the majority of our NPL and cost of risk is related to retail at this time around, and that affects those numbers as well, the overall relatively higher number than the past years. But what we see is there is a movement from one quarter to another on retail segment. And then in our presentation, we also show you the overall consolidated cost of risk numbers, which includes big ticket items. Big ticket items also deviate or make the numbers less ( appearable ). It is actually last year, for instance, first half, we had several big ticket collections and risk reversals, which affected or reduced the numbers so low at some point, commercial cost of risk was negative in our numbers. So the baseline -- there has been a baseline issue, too. So in cost of risk, what I'm trying to say there is more than one variable that affects. And from one quarter to another, you see fluctuations because of these numbers. It's harder to explain in total. But right now, so far, we still believe that we are going to be within that 2% to 2.5% range. And on top, I'd like to say that as well, our BBVA culture as well, our BBVA ROR and pricing discipline. Those categories with slightly higher cost of risk also has very high ROR at the same time. That's the reason we continue to grow on those product lines. The one non-capped is credit card, which is very important in retail business. The unsecured lending, which is limited, is also still relatively profitable versus other products. So we continue to use our cap and limits. So overall, we don't -- we are not concerned much about the cost of risk.

Kemal Ozus

executive
#23

Maybe one thing I can add. I mean, our guidance was 2% to 2.5%. Now we're seeing that it is also in the first presentation, will be towards the upper end, 2.5%. So within guidance but towards the upper end. So I think it's in parallel to what our parent also guides, I mean. So we provide a range. Now we're saying it's towards the upper end. So I think it's parallel.

Operator

operator
#24

Now moving on to the written questions. First question comes from Valentina. She asks, "could you briefly comment on the key drivers of the CET1 decline? Any RWA optimization plans? What is the FX sensitivity on CET1 ratios from 10% TRY depreciation to dollar? And also CET1 sensitivity from interest rates?

Mahmut Akten

executive
#25

Atil, do you want to take this?

Kemal Ozus

executive
#26

Yes. Thank you for the question. The first part was related to the decline in the second quarter. We have a sub-debt, and over the period, there's a part that it starts amortization, there's a negative impact on capital adequacy ratio. If we exclude that part during second quarter, our internal capital generation was enough to compensate for the RWA growth. In the third and fourth quarters, we will see that most probably our capital adequacy ratios will be increasing because of internal capital generation. So impact of this amortization will be limited. In terms of sensitivities, in terms of the 10% depreciation in the currency, capital adequacy ratio is almost 15 basis points on total ratio and 30 basis points on the CET1 ratio or 10% depreciation. And the other one, could you remind? CET 1 sensitivity from the interest rate. Ceyda?

Ceyda Akinç

executive
#27

Our interest rate sensitivity on capital is very limited since we have a low share of available-for-sale securities. So therefore, a very negligible impact, only 3, 4 bps impact we have.

Kemal Ozus

executive
#28

Okay.

Operator

operator
#29

Next written question comes from Hakan Aygun. He's asking, "how do you see the evolution of NPL formation looking forward? Do you see any faster growth in your NPL figures, especially in July?

Mahmut Akten

executive
#30

July will be pretty much flat or 2%, 3% lower than June, actually. Our most recent forecast is 2%, 3% below June. But overall, June, July, August and maybe partially September, our NPL flow will be slightly higher than the second quarter number just because of the restructuring flow. Now that those restructured loans are due, and they are now again, delinquency after 90 days past. So there's an impact of that, but there is a significant deterioration, but we'll see definitely a bit of worse numbers than the second quarter, but then fourth quarter will be relatively good versus the third quarter. I mean, yes, in the meantime, maybe there will be another restructuring regulation, then the numbers will be even more rosy, more positive when we come to the fourth quarter. But as I said, when we look at the past, when we look at our vintages, at the same time, we follow the vintages very closely, like 6 months, 12 months and 90 days. And when we look at every product, you don't see any deterioration actually. But just 52% of our Turkish loan growth is coming from credit card and non-capped area that there's a product mix issue in the NPL flow. But in terms of ROA, in terms of returns, in terms of cost of risk, we don't see any major issues. But I have given you the exact number for the July versus June, whatever it means for the quarter. Thank you for the question, Hakan. Yes. It looks like we don't have any further questions, and I think we are at the second analyst earnings. So there might have been several questions in the past as well. Again, thank you for joining us today and your interest as well. This year is a milestone for us. We just celebrated in June our 80th year of Garanti BBVA, and it was a really important milestone for us. And in that, we always mentioned that we like to think about the future in the 8 years that has been the case, always thinking about what we could do for transforming our bank. So we continue to do that in our strategy. And I think you have seen some of the numbers today, like we mentioned last year, we'll be better in wealth management, and we see that in the fees generation, for instance. We will see more of these going forward as well. And this year, we just announced this week as well, we are the master global partner of the COP31. That's going to happen in November in Turkey. So we use -- as you know, in our strategy, we mentioned in the past, sustainability is a growth engine for us. We like to have -- we like our kind ambitions to turn to action, and we'll be happy to see all of you in COP31. I'd like to note that as well. But overall, we finished a very strong quarter within the sector, and we believe that we have the right strategy with BBVA to compete globally and locally. And this is reflected in our confidence as well that we will see every quarter strong results. And that's all I will say. The same strategy long term. And I know there is some volatility quarterly numbers in certain items, but we feel like we are going to hit overall our baseline assumptions one way or another. As I said, continue to focus by continue to focus on long-term value. Thank you very much again for listening us. And hopefully, in 3 months, we'll be again together, go over the numbers. Have a nice vacation for those who haven't taken a vacation like myself. Take care.

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