UACJ Corporation (5741) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 11, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Kaoru Ueda
executiveLadies and gentlemen, thank you for waiting, and thank you very much for taking time out of your business schedule to participate in the financial results briefing for FY 2022 of UACJ Corporation. This briefing will be conducted using the briefing materials available on the UACJ Corporation website. If you do not have the materials at hand, please visit our website. This presentation may contain forward-looking statements, and such statements are based on our current expectations only. Please note that actual results may differ materially from these future projections due to a variety of factors. [Operator Instructions] Now let me introduce our company's attendees today. Miyuki Ishihara, Representative Director, President. Miyuki Ishihara.
Miyuki Ishihara
executiveThis is Ishihara. Thank you for joining us today.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveTeruo Kawashima, Director and Executive Vice President.
川島 輝夫
executiveThis is Kawashima. Thank you.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveShinji Tanaka, Director and Managing Executive Officer.
田中 信二
executiveHere is Tanaka. Thank you.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveJoji Kumamoto, Executive Officer, Chief Executive Corporate Strategy Division.
隈元 穣治
executiveHere is Kumamoto. Thank you.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveHaruhiro Iida, Executive Officer, Chief Executive, Finance and Accounting Division.
Haruhiro Iida
executiveHere is Iida, thank you.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveAnd I am Kaoru Ueda, General Manager, IR Finance Department. I will be the moderator today. Now President Ishihara would like to explain our business results for FY 2022 and our forecast for FY 2023. Please refer to the presentation materials. President Ishihara, please.
Miyuki Ishihara
executiveI will now explain our financial results based on the presentation materials. In FY 2022, net sales increased from the previous year, but ordinary income before inventory effect, which is our actual profit, decreased. In FY '23, we expect improvement coming from energy surcharge effect and auto-related demand recovery. In FY 2022, profit decreased compared to the previous year, mainly due to the significant impact of automobile production on all businesses, including plates and extrusion. As the domestic market, automotive-related businesses have been affected by the market to a large extent. Among them, volume of general purpose materials increased due to strong sales of air conditioner fin materials, et cetera. Overseas, sales of global can stock was strong. Overseas, both TAA in North America and UATH in Thailand increased their profits due to strong global demand for can stock. As to the effect of structural reform we worked on through FY '22, I will explain details. We believe that as a result of the reform, we have become more resilient and capable of quickly responding to changes in the external environment. Looking at our full year forecast for 2023, we expect that domestic automobile production will recover from the second half of the year. The disruption in automobile materials production in North America will be resolved, and we expect UWH, UACJ Automotive Whitehall Industries Inc. production in North America to return to profitability for the full year. We will implement the pricing scheme linked to the energy and additive metals markets on a global basis, as planned. And we expect the effects of this scheme to be manifested throughout the year in FY 2023. We will continue a review as new additional electricity and other cost will incur. The next section on how we will respond to changes in the external environment is about the details of the pricing scheme that I had just mentioned. There are no major changes. I will now start to present our business results for FY 2022. On Page 5, you will find a summary of our performance in FY 2022. Volume increased by 37,000 tons compared to the previous year. This was due to very strong sales of can stock in Thailand and North America. In general purpose materials, production of air conditioner fins for UATH in Thailand and for air conditioners in Japan grew as demand for air conditioners has been increasing worldwide. With some products, domestic demand has returned. Demand for printing plate materials in particular has been growing significantly. The automotive-related business, which includes automotive body panel materials, foil battery materials, extruded materials and processed products, has been a large decrease in demand due to supply chain disruptions in automotive, IT and semiconductor-related materials. Ordinary income before inventory effect was minus JPY 5.2 billion year-on-year. The factors for the profit decrease are as shown here. Performance figures are summarized on Page 6. Consolidated net sales were JPY 180 billion, an increase over the previous year. However, ordinary income before inventory valuation effect, which is the actual profit loss was JPY 16.1 billion, lower than the previous year. The rest of the figures are as indicated here. Page 7 shows net sales and operating income by segment. I will discuss flat-rolled products in detail later. And here, I would like to touch upon the precision-machined components and related business. Sales increased due to strong sales of air conditioning-related products and new launches of automotive-related products as well as the effect of the weaker yen against U.S. dollar. However, operating income fell short of the previous year's level due to an increase in labor costs associated with inflation in North America and higher energy costs. Page 8 shows sales of flat-rolled products by product type. As mentioned earlier, demand for can stock has been increasing due in part to the global increase in demand for aluminum can stock. However, the demand for foil, IT materials and automotive materials, which are largely included in automotive-related materials, has been significantly decreasing. That said, total volume increased by 37,000 tons with overseas ratio edging up. Page 9 is the waterfall chart showing the change between 2021 and 2022. This section mainly explains the situation how the actual profit of JPY 21.3 billion turned to be JPY 16.1 billion in FY '22. Inventory impact deteriorated by JPY 38.4 billion due to the decline in ingot prices while the increase was due to the improved performance of UATH Thailand, improved performance of TAA and increases related to domestic sales, excluding automobile-related business. Price increase in energy and additive metals added JPY 5.4 billion to the total. This is mainly due to domestic sales-related differences. Other is JPY 1.3 billion. The factors behind the decrease in profit include a JPY 2.6 billion decrease in UWH in automotive parts, JPY 3.1 billion decrease in domestic capacity utilization and JPY 15.2 billion decrease due to energy and additive metal price hikes. As shown here, the JPY 15.2 billion increase in the price of energy and metal additives was partly recovered through negotiations on energy surcharges and other measures, which started in the first half, resulting in a pass-through of increased cost of JPY 5.4 billion in the second half. This means that we were able to recover about a half year worth cost hikes. As I mentioned earlier, in FY '23 the effect will be realized from the beginning of the year. There were very sharp price fluctuations caused by the Russian-Ukraine issue in February 2022. The impact was felt in FY '22. The impact of the JPY 10 billion was significant, if I may say so. Page 10 shows the change in the forecast from February. And as we are a make-to-order company, we start production after receiving an official orders from our customers, but there is a large difference between what was produced and what was actually delivered. Due to large gaps in February and March, the actual ordinary income turned out to be JPY 16.1 billion against the forecast of JPY 20 billion. Page 11 shows the consolidated balance sheet and fund statement. In particular, interest-bearing debt was reduced by a total of JPY 2.8 billion as an increase in short-term debt was offset by a decrease in long-term debt. For the period of December 2020 to March 2023, interest-bearing debt was reduced by a total of JPY 35 billion. As shown in the funds statement, free cash flow resulted in a positive JPY 25.7 billion. More details are on Page 12. Please look at consolidated cash flow trend or interest-bearing debt, D/E ratio graphs. In 2022, cash flow improved, interest-bearing debt decreased and D/E ratio improved to 1.3x. The status of each region is explained, starting on Page 13. As for Thailand, we have been able to provide can stock to various regions, as shown in the picture on the left, in order to meet a very strong global demand for can stock. Although the current situation is sluggish due to supply chain disruptions, global can materials are expected to grow in mid- to long term. We have completed material certifications with new customers, and we expect growth to continue in FY 2023 and beyond. In the U.S., as shown on Page 15, TAA is also affected by inventory adjustment at the moment, but we expect this to be resolved in FY 2023 and thereafter. And we anticipate stronger demand in the long term. Page 15 shows the situation of UWH in North America. Although automobile production is currently in turmoil due to the shortage of chips and so on, the automobile production is very strong, and we expect our North America business to grow in FY '23. As for UWH activities, we are negotiating with existing customers for guarantees to compensate for sales fluctuations, and we are also steadily working on automation and productivity improvement to reduce costs. From Page 16, I will explain about structural reform. Page 17 shows objectives and measures since the start of the structural reform. The results are shown in the Gantt chart on Page 18. Progress was made almost as planned. As a result of the structural reform, we are now in a position to respond quickly to changes in the external environment. In response to the sharp price hikes in energy and additive metals that occurred in the first half of 2022, we introduced a surcharge system to quickly reform our pricing structure. As this example shows, we have improved our ability to make necessary actions. Page 19 describes the breakeven point for flat-rolled product business. It can be seen that the foundation for improving earning capacity has been further advanced through cost reductions. Page 20 shows the numerical effect of JPY 21 billion. There were pluses and minuses by item. But all in all, we believe we have achieved JPY 21 billion. Page 21 is a summary of the results of the structural reforms. We will explain more in detail on the IR Day, so please refer to them. I would now like to explain our full year business forecast for FY 2023. First, this page shows the consolidated ordinary income before metal price lag for FY 2023, which is JPY 23 billion. In response to this JPY 23 billion, I would like to present our perception of the business environment once again. This slide shows the changes in sales and our actual profit ordinary income before metal price lag since FY 2018. When I assumed the position of President, in 2018, trade friction between the U.S. and China and the slowdown of the Chinese economy led to a significant decrease in demand in the main flat-rolled product, such as IT materials and thick plates. In conjunction with this, our earning power was at a low level, partly due to the upfront investment in domestic and overseas subsidiaries and facilities. However, with the structural reforms that we began in the second half of 2019 and completed in FY 2022, we believe that our earning power has greatly improved over the following 3 years, as indicated by the red arrows, by implementing the structural reforms and making changes ourselves. We are also feeling a strong response to our long-standing challenge of establishing a corporate structure that can respond quickly to the external environment. As mentioned earlier, we were able to respond quickly to the sharp rise in energy prices that began in FY '22, which demonstrates our ability. On Page 24, we have once again reviewed the concept in this mid-term plan as FY '23 is the final year of third mid-term plan. In terms of establishing a foundation for future growth after completing structural reform and realization of our vision for 2030, we believe that we can increase our corporate value by expanding the circular economy and increasing customer value, as shown in the picture on the left, and combining these with UACJ's strength. We are working to solve the problems of our customers and society through the creation of a circular economy for aluminum by expanding the scope of aluminum material utilization and at the same time, through aluminum as material that can be used to build a recycling-oriented supply chain. We intend to successfully seize the opportunity of building a circular economy to expand materials plus alternative business model, while at the same time, enhancing our corporate value. Regarding the market environment, as shown on Page 25, we expect that the situation from FY '22 will continue through the first half of FY '23 for the company as a whole. However, we expect that the supply chain disruptions in automotive-related materials and the inventory impact of North America can stock will be eliminated, and the market environment will recover. In addition, demand for general purpose materials such as thick plate, air conditioner fin materials and printing plate materials will be strong in the medium to long term, and there is a certain increase in air conditioner fin materials in the near future. We would like to take advantage of our strength in these areas. You can see this assumption in numbers on Page 26. So consolidated net sales are expected JPY 970 billion. Ordinary income before price lag is expected to be JPY 23 billion. Both of them are projected to increase from the FY '22 actual results to the FY '23 forecast. Although it says a Japanese GAAP here, I will discuss IFRS international standards later. So I will talk about results based on J-GAAP here. Page 27 shows net sales and operating income by segment. As you can see, we expect demand for flat-rolled products to grow significantly. This also indicates that the recovery in demand for automotive-related products I mentioned earlier will emerge, and we believe that this is highly profitable for the full year performance figure on Page 26. Page 28 is for your reference. Page 29 shows a comparison of ordinary income before metal price lag between FY '22 and FY '23 using Japanese GAAP. This metal price lag is expected to increase JPY 5.4 billion. The increase is mainly due to an improvement in UATH and improvement in UWH Whitehall's profitability and improvement in differences related to domestic sales and an improvement in the price pass-through of energy and additive materials. The decrease in income was due to lower metal benefits and other factors in TAA's results. The impact of energy and additive metal costs includes the new rise in electricity prices we were requested. We plan to take actions so that this can be steadily reflected [ in all margins ], et cetera. But the real negative amount is about this much. There are other factors for decrease. In each of these factors, there are delays over the settlement period or additional expenses, et cetera. But we are working to firmly pass through these cost to prices or improve them, and we are projecting an actual profit of JPY 23 billion against FY '22 profit of JPY 16.1 billion. Page 30 is a comparison for -- after the transition to IFRS, which I will discuss later on. As shown in the chart, capital investment is limited to approximately 80% of depreciation over a 3-year period. On Page 32, we show the shareholder returns. The annual dividend of JPY 85 per share will remain unchanged. In addition, we plan to pay 2 dividends, an interim and year-end dividend starting in FY 2023. In order to enhance the value of our shareholders, we will continue to maintain a dialogue with the capital market, along with securing reliable profit and cash flow. I will be discussing international financial reporting standards, IFRS, starting on Page 33. In response to the globalization of our group's business, we have decided to adopt IFRS as our accounting standard. As shown in the graph, the ratio of overseas net sales and invested capital to total sales and invested capital of our group has been increasing every year. The number is expected to increase further in the future. Therefore, we will improve our accounting and information disclosure systems with a further expansion of our global corporate activities in mind. By adopting IFRS, we hope that more investors will have a better understanding of our company. On Page 35, we compare what changes will occur in transitioning from Japanese GAAP to IFRS. This section shows the change in figures for operating income before metal price lag from Japanese GAAP to IFRS. This is for your reference. From Page 36 onwards, I will show you our sustainability initiatives. As for the relationship between our corporate philosophy and sustainability, we will develop a variety of activities with the aim of passing down a better world over the next century. On Page 38, it's Vision 2030, which describes how UACJ Group will contribute to the world in 2030 while considering by backcasting what kind of activities will be performed in 3 domains of mobility, lifestyle, health care and environment energy. As a result, as you can see on Page 39, the UACJ Group is committed to building a circular economy for aluminum by taking advantage of the fact that aluminum can be recycled, which is one of the social issues and to becoming the heart of such a circular economy. As shown in the figure, the solid red line indicates that we are entering the area from flat-rolled products to the manufacturing of aluminum cans, which is a subprocess of flat-rolled products through joint development with our customers. We will also collaborate with other companies to collect and reprocess used aluminum cans, or UBCs, which are returned for reuse, and we will incorporate the so-called upper process of materials, Scope 3 area into our area while collaborating with other companies, converting both upper and lower processes. Please see Page 40 for concrete examples. I will show you 3 specific examples. Page 41 describes our closed-loop recycling promotion, which we collaborate with Toyo Seikan Group Holdings in our lower process. In order to promote closed-loop recycling of used aluminum cans, we will develop cans that are easy to recycle by organically utilizing the technologies and know-how of both companies in the areas of materials and processing. As a result, we expect that the areas in which aluminum is used to expand more and increase in volume. Page 42 is the area of raw materials, the upper process of materials. We will contribute to the realization of recycling-oriented society by collaborating with Yamaichi Metal Corp. on a melting and recycling system for used cans or so-called UBCs. More than 90% of the aluminum cans consumed in Japan are recovered as raw materials, but unfortunately, the percentage of closed loop recycling as a can-to-can is still less than 70%. In addition, those that are not used domestically are exported overseas. The creation of this dissolving and recycling system will increase the amount of UBCs used and the can-to-can ratio, but we can increase the ratio of aluminum cans that are converted to aluminum cans. And if UBCs can stay in the domestic realm and mitigate exports overseas, they will make a significant contribution to the establishment of a recycling chain in Japan. Page 43 shows the projects to make the majority of manufacturing sites in Japan or 17 sites become factories using 100% renewable electricity. This is a domain in the so-called Scope 2 area. But by making our factory base, which were close to the final products, low CO2 emission factories, our customers can easily choose our product. This will lead to the contribution that we can reduce carbon dioxide emissions of customers and make the factory an easy choice for our customers. By reducing carbon dioxide emissions at our 17 sites to 0 on Scope 2, the UACJ Group as a whole will reduce carbon dioxide emissions by approximately 20% on Scope 2. Next and last page is Page 44. I will discuss our response to capital efficiency as a management indicator and how to achieve stock price conscious management. In addition to strengthening capital efficiency management, we will strive to improve corporate value by enhancing dialogue with the capital market. Since 2020, we have incorporated capital efficiency as an indicator for business management and have actively engaged in dialogue with our shareholders and investors. The KPIs for financial indicators in our third mid-term management plan and long-term vision, UACJ Vision 2030, as shown in this chart, namely ROC, ROIC and D/E ratio. As an example of our most recent efforts in capital efficiency management, we have launched the project to improve our cash conversion cycle, CCC. We will continue to enhance capital efficiency management, bearing mind of the cost of capital. And at the same time, we will work to improve our corporate value by building a circular supply chain for aluminum materials or a circular economy in aluminum, coupled with the expansion of the areas where aluminum materials are used. Our future schedule is shown on Page 45. IR Day will be held on June 7 from 9 a.m. to 12 p.m. This will be an online format. As in the last year, we will have our key managers from our major divisions presenting on the progress of the mid-term management plan. The heads of TAA North America and UWH Whitehall North America will also participate and explain business growth. Both are planning to attend from Tokyo. We will send our invitation and hope you will join us. And this concludes my presentation.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveThat concludes our explanation. We are now ready to take your questions.
Kaoru Ueda
executive[Operator Instructions] First question. Mr. Yamaguchi from SMBC Nikko Securities, please.
山口 敦 (やまぐち あつし)
analystI am Yamaguchi. Please allow me to ask you a few questions. I understand that you are switching to IFRS. I would like to ask you to disclose the adjusted operating income, excluding extraordinary profit loss items, et cetera, as Hitachi does, in terms of total profit and segment profit. Also in the case of your company, the impact of inventory is very large. So it will be very easy to understand if you could explain that separately as well. This is a request. That's my first point. Secondly, I'm very sorry to ask always the same question. Since the GAAP figures are shown this time, I would like you to explain how you are forecasting the profit of TAA, UATH and UWH for this fiscal year, including the impact of inventory, if possible. As this is the final year of the mid-term plan, you are targeting a few more billions of yen as of September 2019. At this stage, it appears that you may have fallen a little short of that target. Is it correct to say that this is because adjustments centered on can stock continuing, electricity rates are rising further, and the recovery of automobile production is lagging behind? And also investors are looking at UWH with a somewhat skeptical eye, but it seems that you expect to see some improvements. Could you please talk about how probable it is that you actually improve UWH? What will be the catalyst to make that happen? Please answer these 3 questions.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveKawashima-san takes up your first comment on the IFRS.
川島 輝夫
executiveHere is Kawashima. Actually, we have been thinking about what you have requested as well, and we will disclose the breakdown in a way that facilitates understanding. As to profit forecast. Iida-san, please.
Haruhiro Iida
executiveOn IFRS basis, I would prefer that basis, if possible. Let's start with UATH. Net sales, JPY 187.5 billion; operating income, JPY 5.5 billion; ordinary income before inventory effect, JPY 3.3 billion; and ordinary income is also JPY 3.3 billion.
山口 敦 (やまぐち あつし)
analystYou mean 0?
Haruhiro Iida
executiveIt means that inventory effect is 0. Now TAA, net sales, JPY 286.7 billion; operating income, JPY 16.3 billion; ordinary income before inventory effect, JPY 9.7 billion; ordinary income here is also JPY 9.7 billion since we expect 0 inventory effect. And finally, UWH, net sales, JPY 43.5 billion; operating income, JPY 2.2 billion; ordinary income before inventory effect is plus JPY 0.6 billion. Ordinary income is plus JPY 2.7 billion, and that is all. Thank you very much.
Miyuki Ishihara
executiveMoving on to your third point, you mentioned that we might be short by about JPY 1 billion in the final year of the mid-term plan. I think you have covered almost all the factors we find shortfall. It is mainly the impact during the second half of 2022, continuing into the first half of 2023. The primary reason for this is that the automobile related impact is expected to continue in the first half of '23. And I think this is the reason why we are forecasting a little conservatively. The situation for can stock will recover. However, although automobile-related materials as well as thick plates were originally expected to recover in FY '23, demand for thick plates is now expected to be sluggish or decrease until around FY '24. This is the background as Mr. Yamaguchi was referring to. As for UWH, which you said you were looking at retrospectively, we are discussing this internally actually. As I mentioned earlier, our company is based on make-to-order production. So we start various types of production according to our customers and official orders. UWH is centering around automobile materials and parts, and there are impacts coming from the gap between customers and official orders and actual deliveries. In the second half of FY 2022, there was a considerable gap between the quantity of customers and official orders and the quantity of parts they took in. However, since around the end of FY 2022, the gap between the customers and official orders and actual taking volume has been decreasing. And we expect that customers' production forecast for the future will also be firm from the first half of FY 2023. For those customers who do not have good track record, we are negotiating with them to pass on the cost of production to our prices as a kind of guarantee since we have invested to produce products for them. As for UWH, we have had 2 bad performance so far, but I think we are on track to achieve a solid figure in terms of the plan. And that is all.
山口 敦 (やまぐち あつし)
analystWill automobile manufacturers have presented strong production plans, haven't they? Chip shortage problem seems to be solved as well. On the other hand, the 2 U.S. can makers had slightly different views with one company saying at their results announcement that they may face difficulties due to a decrease in home drinking, and the other companies saying that inventory adjustments will soon be underway.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveOur next question comes from Mr. Goroh, UBS Securities.
Harunobu Goroh
analystI am Goroh from UBS Securities. First of all, you have just explained the results of the structural reforms as usual. I understand that you have completed your reform, but I think that you will continue to make constant efforts in this direction in order to further increase corporate value in the future. I do not see any reference to such activities in the guidance for the new fiscal year. But from a long-term perspective, how do you think you can create room for further improvement? And how do you think you can create factors to increase profits and be committed to them? That is my first point. Secondly, you explained your initiatives for the circular economy, and I understand that you added a mass balance type to the UACJ SMART brand in April. You mentioned earlier that you are planning to increase the number of plants that are 100% carbon neutral and 100% renewable energy. So how will the addition of the mass balance method brand affect this? I wonder if the addition of a mass balance method type brand will change the volume or the customer approach. As a leader in the supply of low-carbon materials, how are you planning to expand sales? I would appreciate if you could explain these points.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveYour first question is the results of structural reforms will be sustained going forward and how they will be linked to corporate value. Also, you asked if there is some kind of evaluation function that can be committed to. So Tanaka, who is in charge of promoting structural reforms and sustainability, answers your question.
田中 信二
executiveHere is Tanaka. The structure reform itself completed its 3.5 years of activity as of the end of FY 2022. But as Mr. Goroh pointed out, we will continue to work on new structural reforms, part of which will be the extension of what we have already done, but new themes are emerging as well. One of them is nonfinancial items. I believe that, that will be a major theme in the next 5 to 10 years. Therefore, in addition to the structural reforms we have been carrying out so far, we will strengthen our efforts in these nonfinancial areas and link them to our business. We have already started discussing individual specific items, from among which we will pick up new themes.
Miyuki Ishihara
executiveHere is Ishihara. I would like to add that the so-called headquarters for the promotion of structural reform has been dissolved, changing its name to the headquarters of the sustainability promotion in order to make it more progressive. Therefore, in order to create more values, internal promotion will continue within the organization. Specific figures will be announced as KPIs in the future. Secondly, in relation to the circular economy, you asked about the mass balance, what characteristics it has and how much volume increase is expected. We are currently talking with our automotive customers about mass balance. Therefore, we will be able to provide low carbon materials for body panels to customers in the automotive industry. So in addition to the expansion of aluminum body panels, driven by the conventional need for weight reduction, we will also be able to provide low carbon materials to customers in the context of circular economy. Once low-carbon materials is well recognized as carbon-neutral material in the circular economy, it is likely that it will expel other materials. And we certainly want to see aluminum become the material of choice for new cars. I cannot talk about numbers, though. Thank you.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveThank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Shirakawa of Morgan Stanley MUFG Securities Company Limited.
白川 祐 (しらかわ ゆう)
analystThis is Shirakawa from Morgan Stanley MUFG Securities. I would like to ask two questions. I'm afraid my questions are both about figures. The first question is about the forecast for the current fiscal year on Pages 28, 29 of the explanatory materials. Sales volumes have all remained almost unchanged year-on-year while sales of high-margin products such as thick plates will decrease. On the other hand, Page 29 shows that the differences related to sales is expected to increase by JPY 6.9 billion, which is a fairly significant factor in the profit increase. Can you explain how it will become possible? This is the first point. The second question is about the strategic investment on Page 31 and Page 14. On Page 31, strategic investment in FY 2023 will increase by about JPY 9 billion. Looking at the TAA section on Page 14, it says you're expanding facilities in North American production basis. I can imagine where you would invest, but could you tell me what this investment is specifically? If it is in the U.S., I think it will be related to the next mid-term plan. And I will appreciate any comments on how much the capacity and sales volume may increase in the future. These are the two points.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveSo the question is about the difference in quantity on Pages 28 and 29, especially the difference between FY '22 and FY '23 is flat. But on Page 29, you see the sales-related differences. Kawashima-san, can you give us the breakdown? Kawashima will answer.
川島 輝夫
executiveNow if you look at Page 28, it is true that the total sales volume is almost unchanged, but the can stock and automotive materials are coming back. On the other hand, others are decreasing. This other is down 25,000 tons. But what this actually means is that the sales of slabs in the U.S. will be down significantly. In fact, slab sales are down more than 25,000 tons. So it is going to increase as an actual product. Although the total volume will remain the same, the composition of the product will improve, which will make the differences in sales. The sales are all for Japan and the automotives and other products will return mainly in Japan, fall and IT are all for domestic. In addition, other general purpose materials in Japan are also strong. So please understand that this is the way it is going. And as for the expansion of TAA capacity, we have already announced that we are planning to expand hot rolling capacity. And we have already started construction. Since the construction will last over a long period, the cost itself will be posted in each year. Therefore, the content of investment is improvement in hot rolling capacity in North America, which was already announced.
Miyuki Ishihara
executiveNow Kawashima speaking. The major strategic investments is in North America, as I mentioned earlier, and also in [indiscernible] with the Yamaichi Metal Corp., we will conduct a joint venture, and construction will begin soon. We believe that these 2 projects will be the main focus of our strategic investment. Since it will take multiple years, the amount of investment will be spent in this fiscal year and in the next mid-term plan period.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveThank you for your questions. Next question is from Matsumoto of Nomura Securities Company Limited.
松本 裕司 (まつもと ゆうじ)
analystThis is Matsumoto from Nomura Securities. The first point is that you are looking at decrease in profits for the current fiscal year with respect to TAA. Please let me know the background of it. Also, regarding volume, there seems to be a lot of talk about various inventory adjustments. But could you also tell me how you see this fiscal year going? The second point, what is your view on the volume of UATH? And I was thinking that profit might increase a little bit more, but now they have leveled off again. So could you tell me your views about this? That's all.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveSo the question is about the background to the results of TAA's profit this fiscal year. Please tell us about the profit a little bit.
川島 輝夫
executiveSo this is Kawashima speaking. On Page 29, we are looking at the factors for the change between the period that just ended and the new period, and we are expecting a decrease of JPY 3.4 billion for TAA. However, it is not a decrease in terms of volume, but depreciation is going to increase. The yen conversion rate is different between the period that ended and the current period. Therefore, we are expecting a decrease due to the conversion rate as well. We believe that a little over JPY 2 billion of this JPY 3.4 billion deterioration is a decrease due to increased depreciation. As for the TAA volume outlook, the second point, I mentioned that the growth is currently stagnant due to excess inventory in the supply chain as a whole. This began in the second half of FY 2022 and is expected to continue until the first half of FY 2023. And our plan is that it will be resolved in the second half of FY '23. That's the status of TAA. And for TAA, the contract for FY 2025 has already started, and we are seeing steady progress on that as well. So we expect that FY 2023 will go according to plan if these situations are resolved. Regarding UATH, the production volume of can stock by UATH has been affected by North American market, as mentioned earlier, but the situation will be resolved in the second half of the year and beyond. While global demand for air conditioners has been increasing very steadily, we are making various improvements to accommodate this situation, and we believe that total volume will be such that the maximum rolling capacity will be functional. What worries me a little bit is the heat exchange raw materials for automobile. We will have to see what will happen in the future. However, in the area of heat exchangers, automobiles, we expect the heat exchanger market in Europe will expand. And I believe that demand will affect UATH. So based on the overall impression mentioned earlier, UATH will definitely recover in second half and beyond. So we may be focusing in the first half to be a little lower. That's all.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveThank you for your questions. We are almost at the end of our scheduled time. So we would like to make the next question the last one, Mr. Ozaki, Daiwa Securities Co.
Shinichiro Ozaki
analystOzaki from Daiwa Securities. Please tell me what is the decline of JPY 6.3 billion in other factors on Page 29. Second, regarding UATH, I was hoping that switching to a long-term contract that will have some effect on price increase. Could you give me a breakdown again of the effect of this price increase and the background to this that even if it did, it will not increase the profit? These are two questions.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveMr. Kawashima will answer.
川島 輝夫
executiveOn Page 29. Yes, it is true that JPY 6.3 billion of others is a big figure, but more than half of this amount is in the consolidation adjustment account. There is a rise and fall of unrealized gains and losses from internal transactions when consolidating accounts. For the fiscal year just ended FY '22, there was large reversal of consolidation adjustment account. For FY '23, the volume increases slightly, and then it was reversed. Therefore, its difference shows up. That's the biggest reason. Another factor is interest rates. This is shown in ordinary profit. As you know, interest rates in the U.S. have risen considerably, and the difference in interest rate has resulted in a JPY 1.5 billion to JPY 2 billion increase in financial expenses compared to last year. It will increase the expense a little, but part of the deterioration in TAA that you asked about is actually due to the interest rate because it is expressed in ordinary income. Because of that reason, the decrease is expected to be JPY 6.3 billion. Regarding your second question about UATH, you said that in FY '23, we will be able to negotiate with a new customer in the energy field and that you expected that we will be able to pass on the price increase. However, as you can see on the second page, it is difficult to pass on the price increase during the term of the existing contract. So we are working on the contract with the Thai customers that we will do it at the time of the new contract. So therefore, new contracts will increase from second half of FY 3 to first half of FY '24, Therefore, unfortunately, many customers are still in situation where their existing contracts are not changed at all during FY '23. Therefore, although I mentioned earlier that the contract for FY '25 customers will start for TAA, the contract for FY '24 will start. So price pass-through will be negotiated at that time. So our plan incorporated it. That's all.
Kaoru Ueda
executiveThank you for your questions. The scheduled time has come, so we will conclude today's financial results briefing. We would appreciate your cooperation in filling out a questionnaire regarding today's briefing. You can answer the questionnaire using the QR code on the screen or the URL in the chat box. For any further inquiries, please contact IR department. This is the end of the financial year 2022 financial results presentation of UACJ Corporation. Thank you very much for joining us today despite your busy schedule.
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