UBM Development AG (UBS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 25, 2023

Vienna Stock Exchange AT Real Estate Real Estate Management and Development earnings 41 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Thomas Winkler

executive
#1

Welcome, everybody. It almost seems like yesterday that we had our last conference call, still a few things worth reporting. But let me try to keep the formal part of the presentation short because it is a continuation of what you've heard only recently from us. In summary, the good news we can report is Frankfurt's most successful rental activity in the first quarter and the demand for timber office space. We are unfortunately not able to report "white smoke" regarding the handover of F.A.Z. and the zoning permit for the timber factory at Baubergerstrasse and with 5 weeks left in Q2, it is getting very tight. So our prediction of a weak first half of the year becomes more and more of a reality, and I'm sorry for this. The situation on the transaction market remains unchanged. We still witnessed a complete standstill. Our financials remain strong, even with the repayment of the hybrid bond at the step up date -- step uptake. And as already mentioned, not too much to add regarding the outlook for the first half of what I name the year of the truth for the real estate market. Please turn to Slide #4 of the presentation and let's look at more details. With the rental success of the Timber Pioneer, we can provide first proof of our strategy. It has been the single largest rental activity in the first quarter throughout Frankfurt. Last week, we have concluded an LOI, a letter of intent for the remaining office space, which is encouraging. However, LOI is not the contract, and we have to see what the results of the contract negotiations is going to be. There's also interest by more potential tenants. So I'm not worried to live up to my promise that we conclude rental contract before the summer break. We have an extremely paradox situation on the office market at the moment. Vacancies are rising, and Frankfurt sees more than 1 million square meters of empty offices with the trend even going up. At the same time, we witnessed a rising demand for new work office space. It seems as if employers in a war for talent are prepared to do almost everything to lure their employees into returning back to the office. In other words, a number of companies, particularly larger ones, anticipate further reductions of their office footprint to trim unoccupied office space. At the same time, more than half of the companies according to CBRE survey plan to relocate to higher quality office space such as Timber construction offices. And to the rent level, particularly for this office space is rising with inflation or even beyond. The Baubergerstrasse is shortage of a high-quality supply. There's not only a significant difference between different industries, but also between Continental Europe and the U.S. Interestingly enough, in the U.S., sentiment grows towards either mostly in office or mostly remote works. In Europe, we see mostly hybrid, which might be a function of shorter commutes and less mobility during the pandemic. A lot of office workers in Manhattan are expense with other areas in the U.S. have moved the way to areas like Montana or other places in the country side. They will not return. This has not been the case with the vast majority of office employees in Europe. Bottom line, only the best offices will be successful, but they will be successful big times. Please follow me to Slide #5. The most amazing metamorphosis in our industry can be seen from the composition of our pipeline. While we had a geographic focus on Germany and Austria for a longer time, we now have a very strong focus on conventionally built resi and it can be financed more easily during difficult times with banks getting more conservative regarding pre-realization and equity ratios. What is even more amazing, more than 2/3 of our pipeline is now made up by Timber construction where we have a different situation, as I've explained. This is the future from an investor and a tenant's point of view. Within the Timber construction part, we have an almost equal waiting between offices and resi. Let me hand over to Patric now to present you with the latest finance before getting carried away too much with the longer-term future perspective.

Patric Thate

executive
#2

Thank you, Thomas, and welcome also from my side. Please turn to Slide #6 and have a look on the left-hand chart. What we have witnessed in the first quarter was that the situation on the transaction market remains unchanged, a complete standstill. This is reflected in our net profit, which is lower than in previous years, but still acceptable considering the market environment and the business model of a project developer who lives from selling projects. By the end of the first quarter, equity amounted to EUR 445.9 million. The reduction in equity compared with December 31 comes from the fact that we repaid the 2018 hybrid bond prematurely in March. Since the hybrid bond is accounted for equity under IFRS, the equity ratio also decreased as a result. With an equity ratio of 31.6%, we are still within our target range of 30% to 35%. Our net debt increased to EUR 581.8 million and as a result, also the LTV. In summary, our balance sheet still proves relative strength and provides UBM with enough headroom and reserves for the uncertain times we are currently in. Let's now turn to our cash position and repayment profile on Slide #7. Crucial for our solid cash position in 2022, we have the 2 successful ESG-linked capital market transaction in 2021. By doing that, we not only successfully managed to steer our repayment profile towards green financing. On top of that, it gives us a digestible repayment profile for the next 1.5 years to come. Nevertheless, we are prepared to tap the bond market with the green bond whenever a window of opportunity occurs. In order to be best prepared, we published our green finance framework in the first quarter of this year. However, our cash position has decreased to EUR 250 million. Major driver for this was the already mentioned repayment of the hybrid loan in the first quarter. As you can see from the chart on the right-hand side, we have also illustrated our project financing for the full year 2023. EUR 15 million of the EUR 195 million project financing have already been cleared. Typical for a developer, our project financing is structured in 2 phases, the financing of the acquisition of the plot and after having received the necessary permits, the financing of the development phase itself. Out of the EUR 195 million, EUR 95 million are plot financing with the development to be started in the next 6 to 9 months. These EUR 95 million will be transferred to a typical project financing and the rest, EUR 85 million are plot or standing financing, which will be prolonged during the year. May I now hand back to Thomas for the outlook.

Thomas Winkler

executive
#3

Yes. Thank you, Patric. Back to the future are some observations regarding the second half of this year. We have talked about a potential catalysts in the full year call. So let me underpin the scenario with a few facts. Regarding the market in general, there can be no doubt that we see a healthy demand for our products. After all, we do not produce injectors for diesel engines. What I mean is we produce something that the society really needs. And it is demand and supply, which ultimately decides the price of a product. Germany alone is short of more than 700,000 apartments already today, and this number is growing with rising pay negotiated by strong trade unions in Europe, the percentage of disposable household income remained fairly stable around 20% over the last 10 years. And we see construction costs falling in building construction for the first time in a very large period of time. With the cancellation of more and more projects, this should not come as a surprise. Besides, I'm getting not tired of reiterating that standardization and modularization has been bringing down costs in so many other industries. Why should this not be the case in real estate. If cars were still produced as in the early days of the automotive industry, a Volkswagen Golf would cost several hundred thousands of euros. Our total commitment to Timber construction is driven by exactly this idea. We have to move a significant part of the construction process away from the site to the factory. More specifically, regarding UBM, if not timber construction projects can be sold profitably to investors what projects can be sold profitably at all. This combined with money following European taxonomy and the sustainability guidelines gives us a competitive advantage. And this competitive advantage is further fostered by our relative financial strength compared to most of our peers. We are currently going through tough times, no doubt and nothing to smile away. But the stock market has a reputation to look through today and anticipate the future in 9 to 18 months. I have no doubt that the development industry or rather those who are left will strongly benefit from today's crisis within the next 1 to 1.5 years. Thank you for listening. And may I now open the lines for questions.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] And our first question is from the line of Stefan Scharff from SRC Research.

Stefan Scharff

analyst
#5

Yes. Stefan here from Frankfurt. I have 3 questions. The first question is, Thomas, you mentioned that just 5 weeks left in the first half of the year. And what you think about the closing F.A.Z. Tower and the permit for Baubergerstraße. Is it fair to say perhaps one will make it and the other one will come in the second half of the year, it's 50-50 or something or you think even this might be too optimistic. The second question is about the additional tenants for the Timber Pioneer. I think it's about 2 floors. And what do you expect for square meter prices, I guess, perhaps EUR 26 to EUR 30 or something? Or what is your expectation here? And my last question is for Patric. It's a P&L question. Other operating revenues were up from EUR 1.3 million to EUR 4.5 million. So -- and I think there is a reduction of provision in side, about EUR 1 million or EUR 1.4 million. Perhaps you can say a bit more here.

Thomas Winkler

executive
#6

Okay, Stefan. First of all, thank you for joining us this early in the morning. Now that you're not an early bird, and you would much rather have a conference call at 10:00 o'clock in the evening, but we are having good reasons for this. So you've asked me if there's a 50-50 chance. Well, if you do likelihood, you might pretty much end up there. I'm a bit disappointed about the slow progress that we are making and we are preparing for none of the two events materializing in the second quarter so that we have rather a potential upside than a potential downside that we have to talk you through. We're making, as I said, slow progress, but good progress in both respects. And the reasons that I'm presented with are understandable for me. And you have noticed in other areas that there is a general slowdown in processes throughout Germany. So we are not alone, but that's no help for you. When it comes to the 4,500 square meters. Basically, it's not floors, it's more that a wing is open. You know that Universal has occupied the first floor and the interested party that we are having now a very concrete negotiations, which take the entire 4,500 square meters and they like them exactly as they are. And that would make it much easier than renting it out to several tenants. I think we really offer a unique proposal. And for anybody who has sustainability in their strategy, there is no way circumventing our office. As I said, it's not the only party but it's the one that we've signed an LOI with. And if this materializes, then the positive news flow is going to be reported also ahead of the summer break. So we have -- if you assume we continue, as we've developed in the past, 3 potential good news to be reported before the summer break, and that's quite something. This answered your question or...

Stefan Scharff

analyst
#7

Yes, it's okay. And the square meter price could be similar like...

Thomas Winkler

executive
#8

Yes. Absolutely. And the square meter price is closer to EUR 30 than it is to EUR 25, and I can't go any further as well.

Patric Thate

executive
#9

Okay. Stefan, to your question on the other operating income and the provision we released that has to do with the LeopoldQuartier and circles back to the time when we bought the LeopoldQuartier, and there was an open legal dispute. And we changed or we are quite sure now that the legal dispute will come into our direction and therefore, we were able to release the provision.

Operator

operator
#10

The next question is from the line of Christoph Schultes from Erste Group.

Christoph Schultes

analyst
#11

Yes. Also happy birthday from my side. Also, birthday questions to Patric. It's -- maybe if we can go back to Slide 7, and you talked about the maturity profile of the project financing. Can you maybe repeat what you mentioned what is already paid -- 2023 this year and the split up of what you mentioned, what is with regards to plots and other financing, that would be very helpful.

Patric Thate

executive
#12

Yes, of course, I will do so. So I mean, on the bond side, the EUR 120 million, they are due in November. So they are not repaid yet, obviously, and we are watching the market and look at the market quite carefully. If there is a window of opportunity to have an exchange, how we did that in the past. But the market is probably better than myself. The volatility is still there on the bond market, and we have to see how we move forward on this one. The more interesting one and that is why we have put that now on the chart is the EUR 195 million of the project financing. Of this EUR 195 million, EUR 15 million are already kicked off, which is a small number compared to the EUR 195 million. So the predominant part to come. And out of this rest, which is EUR 180 million, EUR 95 million is a typical thing which is happening when a project is coming from its plot financing into a development financing. We are quite confident that for some of these projects, we will see a situation where we get the permits we need because that is a precondition to go to the bank and then put it over from the ordinary plot financing and the development financing. Currently, the situation in the market is that if it is a ready project that is quite fast to tick off because you can refinance them or you can finance them in the development phase quite easy still. If it is an office, it is more of a discussion, but I would say it is too early to say a tendency there how the financing is look like, but what we see already is that the LTVs go up on these projects when they do an office. For the rest, which I have not said yet is the EUR 85 million, that are plot financings, which run out and need to be prolonged. Also I think we are doing quite regularly. But in this time, it's probably worthwhile mentioning them. There, you have a bank where it's already financed and most of them have been prolonged in the past quite often. So we are quite positive on prolonging them also into the future and rolling them out. Did that answer your question?

Christoph Schultes

analyst
#13

Yes, that's great. This is exactly what I needed. So but you are confident that. So you have EUR 250 million cash, assuming that there will be also a positive cash flow this year. So you're positive, let's say, the next 2 years, what you have are more or less financed without -- even without tapping the market. Is this what I can assume?

Patric Thate

executive
#14

Yes. What you can assume, I mean, our way of looking at this is more 12 to 18 months, to be quite honest because that is what we can oversee. But we are planning internally for sure, for a situation where we can't tap the markets. So we have to look at the EUR 120 million that we repay them out of our current cash flow slash out of our financial reserves on the cash side, and we catered for that.

Operator

operator
#15

The next question is from the line of Simon Stippig from Warburg Research.

Simon Stippig

analyst
#16

Also happy birthday from my side. And I would ask -- I would ask the questions one by one. Lots of questions already asked. But maybe one follow-up question in regard to the Timber Pioneer. Is there already a time line for a potential sale? I mean, you said, okay, there are -- these 3 events, 1 of the -- 3 positive events before the summer break 1 would be the Timber Pioneer or the full leasing of the Timber Pioneer and then most likely, I assume you would go and market it. Do you see maybe a potential sale in H2 of '23? Or could you give a little bit of additional insight into this transaction into the prospect?

Thomas Winkler

executive
#17

Yes. Very good question, Simon. Look, as long as the market is in a mood as it is right now. I'm not sure if I would really go to the market, particularly, and I wanted to remind you of this, we are handing over the building only in April of next year. So basically, we have enough time to market and sell it so that we don't have to rush it because the money will only flow other than a down payment at handover. And if you'd ask me the hypothetical question, you're fully leased out. Are you going to market it now, I would say no. But as we've also made clear to you 4 weeks ago, we believe that there are potential catalysts for the second half that would open the transaction market again. I know that the sentiment at the moment is 50-50 according to [ Union ] Investment Survey of, I think, 150 investors and market participants, okay, 50% believe there will be a catalyst event in the second half, 50% believe there is none. The reason why we are contrary to our nature, I'm somewhat optimistic is because the speed in which the market has been deteriorating over the last couple of weeks and you all read newspapers. You all read the stories of listed and not-listed peers makes us somewhat confident that what goes down quickly comes back quickly. And that is what we are counting on. And if this is the case, we are definitely first in the line to market the Timber Pioneer, and we are definitely going to make our preparatory work to go to the market quickly because, as I said, if this product cannot be sold, we have to acknowledge that there is no market for transactions whatsoever, at least not at other prices than distressed prices. And let me be quite clear. We see maybe not distressed prices but stress prices all over, and we get a number of projects okay, almost every day that we would be able to buy on the cheap side from a perspective from the past. So bottom line, yes, we are preparing and marketing the Timber Pioneer, but we don't try to go through the wall with it if there is a hard stop situation as it is right now, okay? We still have assumed, I shouldn't make up numbers. But kind of fairly feeling number of 20% price differential still between buyers and sellers with the sellers going already pretty far away to the buyers side.

Simon Stippig

analyst
#18

Okay. Great. That's understood. And then maybe a follow-up to this. First of all, of course, for a very informative answer. But then for UBM, could the Timber Pioneer also be a catalyst and once there is a successful sale that you would start new projects because you mentioned before, you have a couple of plots still in development financing of -- plot financing actually. And where you said, okay, that's tied into permits but also then, I assume if once you get the permits, you probably not start immediately developing into the current market. So could that also be a little bit of a catalyst where you see a -- equilibrium of prices and then of transaction prices and then you would start -- would start? Or do you start nevertheless, if you get the permit?

Thomas Winkler

executive
#19

No, no, no. We assess the situation almost on a week-by-week basis. The answer, again, is a bit lengthy one. I apologize to it. But I would like to be as differentiated as possible because I want to give you the impression that we are realistic. We are not depressed but we are also not optimistic like some say there is no crisis, what crisis, I mean that's the joke. We'll start projects like the LeopoldQuartier? In the LeopoldQuartier, we are doing apartments. They are the best apartments that are going to be developed in the foreseeable future. It's close to the first statistics it is between the Augarten part and the City Centre of Vienna. You can basically do everything by a foot and I tell you if we don't dare to start this one, okay, we have to question if you are after all not producing diesel injectors, and I don't believe in it. Then we have projects which strongly depend on the financing, okay? And this financing strongly depends on the pre-realization [ chance ]. Now let me give you an example, and it's a hypothetical one because, as I said, situation is assessed on a weekly basis. But the Timber Peak in the Mainz Zollhafen, okay? It's 10,000 square meters roughly. It is a beacon for Mainz. And we have made very good experiences with putting office space into a resi area because then people like to buy or rent apartments and walk to work. Here, a more speculative start of construction would make sense. And now third issue is which is unusual for entrepreneurs and enterprises. At the moment, we win by waiting because the prices for the construction is coming down. And we have first evidence. So this is exactly what we are feeling because so many projects have been canceled or at least put on hold that makes particularly subcontractor, very nervous. And it means there is no good reason to rush into a start of construction unless we have an obligation to start construction, which might be the case here or there as well. So we will continue our work and maybe a bit behind your question is also once there is a catalyst transaction, I'm not saying it's the Timber Pioneer it could be any other transaction. I think the market will strongly rush into the other direction. I mean, we both -- we are all knowing that we have another 225 basis point steps ahead of us with European Central Bank. So that needs to be anticipated. And that should be priced already. And so the only reason is when do we hit the sweet spot where a buyer says, if I wait further, I can't buy it. And as you're sitting in Germany, you might not be aware about transactions on the Austrian market, but Signa has sold a very iconic property in [ Kaerntnerstrasse ] which is, I mean, a super prime area for EUR 32,000. So if this guy who bought it, who's an industrialist, who is very clever and sold his business for a Fortune, stupid to buy it now. No. He buys it now because this is the only time he gets his arms around something like this. So if we claim to produce iconic buildings, this is maybe the opportunity for everybody to jump on this train and there are not so many EU taxonomy conform projects on the market that are available. As I said, sorry for the lengthy answer. I promise to be shorter unless you feel that, that costs a good light also in the market.

Simon Stippig

analyst
#20

I really appreciate the answer, very informative. I actually, if I may, I would have 2 more, 1 and this probably for the [indiscernible] is in regard to the cash flow statement. If I look into receivables, then receivables increased by around EUR 40 million. And there are also a couple of other movements in regard to investments in PPE and project financing, but then also I think you received dividends from an equity of EUR 5 million. Could you explain these movements a little bit more in depth that would be great, especially receivables movement.

Unknown Executive

executive
#21

Yes, of course. So just to have a view on what is the nature of a project, which runs into this receivable position. It's a project which we have forward sold or partly forward sold and which is under construction. For most of the projects, this is true when it is resi, and therefore, you find the resi projects, predominantly in this one as we are not selling currently forward any offices. The last one was the F.A.Z. and there is no construction going on currently. So that is the reason why this is a resi project. So if we look into it, that is predominantly Arcus City where we are in the erection phase in the phase of building it for Arcus 1 and also for Arcus 2. That is a [ EUR 9 million ] number. And then we start with another resi project in the Czech Republic, where we already sold parts of the apartments. That is the Astrid resi, and this one is a [ EUR 2 million ] number. So most of the number you are seeing there is coming from this one and a smaller amount is coming or the same amount like Astrid, like [ EUR 2 million ] is coming from Smolensk. That is also a resi project in Poland, where we have sold some of the apartments. So -- and the precondition that it runs into receivables is forward sold and under construction. When we look at the investments in the [indiscernible], we look predominantly at the LeopoldQuartier, where we activated costs because we are close to the phase where we want to run into the erection and building the whole plot and therefore, most of them is activated into this one. Project financing was another question you have asked. There, it is in our project in -- another project in Prague which is not presented, it's called a difficult one also a resi project, and we are currently in the phase where we have not refinanced that yet. So it's purely equity. And out of the number, EUR 3 million are coming to bring that into a stage where we get all the permissions and all these kind of stuff. So that is a financing for that one. And another one we have put into the project financing was for the hotel business as we were this year in the first where we paid some of the rents, which were not being paid under Corona and they were piled up and therefore, another EUR 3 million were necessary in this one. So for the income side, you have mentioned the dividends from the equities. That is coming from Munich and [indiscernible] where we have sold a good part of our nearly all of the projects in the Phase A and the other one is the [ Gmunder Strasse ]. So two of them are bringing these dividends to the table.

Simon Stippig

analyst
#22

Great. That's very clear. And then if I may, the last one. I just saw that your financing costs increase to -- for around above -- slightly above 400 basis points. Again, I think that's driven by project financing -- variable project financing. But in that regard, can you maybe give some indication of where you would see a steady state or normalization sort of the financing costs. If I would assume that it's 400 basis points and increases a little bit. Are we rather let's say, 18 months from now, it's 500 basis points. Nevertheless, to see any interest movements. But can you just give a little bit of more insight into where you would see a normalized financing costs for UBM?

Unknown Executive

executive
#23

Sure. also maybe an answer which is not too short. In terms of financing, we are a company which came into the interest increase with a picture where we had roughly half of the financing fixed and the other half variable. The variable financing, as you were pointing out already in your question, is the project financing and the fixed financing is coming more from the bonds. The project financing is predominantly relying on the 3 months EURIBOR. So if we're looking at the EURIBOR, one thing is I don't think that everything which the Central Bank has done and has slipped into the EURIBOR has not happened yet. So we will see a little bit of increase there coming just from follow-up effect, if you want. And then everybody in the market is assuming that there are at least 2 more steps to come, both 1 quarter. So we see an increase there. If I do the math, I would say another 0.4 to 0.5 on the average rate are still coming from the project financing itself. The more difficult one is the question, if we repay a bond, which is a fixed one, for example, the one at the end of the year, and we would be able to refinancing it. There would be a fair market level. Currently, I would say that it's something between 6% and 7% instead of the 3% to 3.5%, we were used to. So there is counting also a little bit. So if you ask me for a steady state, let's say, 18 months or 2 years in the future because it will take quite a while until you see that in the average number. We are talking about 1.5% to 2%. So we are more in the range of 5.5% to 6% on average. That is the number which will come midterm if the numbers stick where they are.

Operator

operator
#24

So far, there are no further questions. I hand back to Thomas Winkler for closing comments.

Thomas Winkler

executive
#25

Yes. Thank you for getting up this early and listening and also the very educated questions. I appreciate that. I know that we are going through rough times and there is nothing to camouflage it. As I pointed out, at the end, those who make it will benefit from it. It's always the same story. It's not only Patric who's turned 50, it is also us who have turned 150. We've survived or battled through a couple of more crisis. And therefore, I'm pretty confident that in hindsight, this is just one of these corrections that one has to expect of a pretty long upward trend. With this, as I said, thank you for your questions. For any further questions, please turn to Chris Rainer or e-mail [indiscernible] when it comes to ESG. We are always there for you, much rather asked than just act and ask later. Happy birthday also from my side, and all the best for you guys for the day and the next couple of weeks. Bye-bye.

Patric Thate

executive
#26

Bye.

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