United-Guardian, Inc. ($UG)

Earnings Call Transcript · May 13, 2026

NasdaqGM US Consumer Staples Personal Care Products Shareholder/Analyst Calls 41 min

Highlights from the call

In the Q1 2026 earnings call for United-Guardian, Inc., management reported a rebound in net sales driven by higher pharmaceutical and cosmetic ingredient sales. Revenue for the quarter was $10.5 million, reflecting a positive shift from the previous year's $8.9 million. The company highlighted a strategic focus on expanding its pharmaceutical business, particularly with Renacidin, which is gaining traction due to improved formulary access. Management maintained its guidance for continued growth in the pharmaceutical segment, signaling optimism for the remainder of the fiscal year.

Main topics

  • Revenue Growth: United-Guardian reported Q1 2026 net sales of $10.5 million, up from $8.9 million in Q1 2025, indicating a strong recovery. Management noted, "We are seeing an increase in pharmaceuticals, which is part of our efforts that we are working on to continue to expand Renacidin."
  • Pharmaceutical Business Expansion: The company has signed new distribution agreements to enhance its pharmaceutical offerings. Donna Vigilante stated, "We are starting to see some real traction there where that is allowing us to reduce the barrier for HCPs to prescribe Renacidin."
  • Cosmetic Ingredients Recovery: Cosmetic ingredient sales showed signs of recovery, increasing to 30% of the product mix in Q1 2026 from 28% in Q1 2025. This rebound is crucial for overall revenue growth as it complements the pharmaceutical segment.
  • Strategic Goals: Management is focused on growth initiatives, including product innovation and expanding distributor partnerships. They are monitoring growth goals set for cosmetic ingredient distributors, indicating a proactive approach to sales enhancement.
  • Tariff Refunds: An analyst inquired about potential tariff refunds, but management clarified, "United Guardian are not the importer of record for any products coming in," indicating no direct refunds for the company.

Key metrics mentioned

  • Q1 Revenue: $10.5M (vs $8.9M in Q1 2025, +18% YoY)
  • Net Income: null (null)
  • Retained Earnings: $10.77M (vs $11.42M in 2025, -5.7% YoY)
  • Stockholders' Equity: $11.23M (vs $11.88M in 2025, -5.5% YoY)
  • Pharmaceutical Sales Mix: 50% (up from 47% in Q1 2025)
  • Cosmetic Ingredients Sales Mix: 30% (up from 28% in Q1 2025)

United-Guardian's Q1 2026 results indicate a positive trajectory, particularly in pharmaceuticals and cosmetic ingredients. The company's strategic focus on expanding its product offerings and improving formulary access for Renacidin presents a strong investment thesis. However, challenges in international expansion and executive compensation may pose risks. Investors should monitor the execution of growth initiatives and the impact of market dynamics on sales.

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#1

Okay. Good morning. I'm Donna Vigilante, President of United Guardian, and I hereby call to order the Annual Meeting of the Stockholders of United Guardian, Inc., which is being held by video conference this 13th day of May 2026. Andrea Young, Secretary of the corporation, is present and pursuant to the bylaws of the corporation will act as Secretary of the meeting.

Andrea Young

Executives
#2

Good morning. I present a copy of the notice of this meeting, which has been sent to each stockholder of record together with proof of mailing of such notice. I ask that this notice and the affidavit of mailing be filed on the records of the corporation.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#3

I move that the notice of this meeting, together with the affidavit of mailing be filed in the records of the corporation. I second the motion.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#4

All those in favor of the motion, say aye. [Voting]

Unknown Executive

Executives
#5

Aye.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#6

Aye.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#7

All those opposed, say no. [Voting]

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#8

The motion is carried and the Secretary is directed to file the notice and affidavit of mailing with the record of the corporation.

Andrea Young

Executives
#9

We have a list of stockholders of the corporation as of March 30, 2026, the record date fixed by the Board of Directors for those stockholders entitled to notice of this meeting. This list has been prepared and certified by Continental Stock Transfer and Trust Company, registrar of the corporation. May I ask for a motion that the list be filed in the records of the corporation.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#10

I move that the list be filed in the records of the corporation.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#11

I second the motion.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#12

All favoring the motion, say aye. [Voting]

Unknown Executive

Executives
#13

Aye.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#14

All opposed, say no. [Voting]

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#15

The motion is carried and the Secretary is directed to file this list of stockholders with the records of the corporation. I will now call for nominations for inspection of election.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#16

Sorry, I nominate Andrea Young and Barbara Ricardo to be inspectors of election.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#17

I second the motion.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#18

Are there any further nominations? If not, I declare nominations closed. All those in favor of the election of Andrea Young and Barbara Ricardo as inspectors of election, please say aye. [Voting]

Andrea Young

Executives
#19

Aye

Unknown Executive

Executives
#20

Aye

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#21

All those opposed say no. [Voting]

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#22

Andrea Young and Barbara Ricardo have been elected inspectors of election. Will the inspectors please sign the oath of office and turn it into the company at the end of this meeting. The inspectors of election have reported the holders of a total of 3,637,702 shares are present by proxy. The total number of shares present constitutes a quorum and represents 79% of the 4,594,319 shares outstanding. The meeting may now proceed to business. Copies of the company's annual report for fiscal year 2025 have been mailed to all stockholders of record. In view of this fact, I ask for a motion dispensing with the reading of the report and directing the secretary to file the report with the records of the corporation.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#23

I move that the reading of the annual report be dispensed with and that it be filed with the records of the corporation.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#24

I second the motion.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#25

All those in favor of the motion, say aye. [Voting]

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#26

Aye.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#27

All those opposed, say no. [Voting]

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#28

The motion is carried and the Secretary is directed to file the annual report with the records of the corporation. The next order of business is the election of directors of the corporation for the coming year. I ask for nominations for the office of director.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#29

I nominate the following as directors of the corporation for the ensuing year: Ken Globus, Lawrence F. Maietta, S. Ari Papoulias, Arthur M. Dresner, Andrew A. Boccone, Catherine Kolinski and Donna Vigilante.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#30

I second the nominations.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#31

Are there any further nominations? I ask for a motion to close the nominations.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#32

I move that the nominations be closed.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#33

I second the motion.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#34

All those in favor, say aye. [Voting]

Unknown Executive

Executives
#35

Aye.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#36

All opposed, say no. [Voting]

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#37

The motion is carried. The proxies contain the following proposals: to elect 7 directors to serve until the next annual meeting; to approve the holding of an advisory vote every 1, 2 or 3 years on the compensation paid to the company's named executive officers; to approve on an advisory basis, the actual compensation paid to the company's named executive officers; to ratify the appointment of Grassi & Company, CPAs P.C. as the independent public accountants of the company for the fiscal year ending December 31, 2026. Since there is no voting taking place at the meeting today, I can report that based on the information provided to the company by Continental Stock Transfer and Trust Company, the company's stock transfer agent, the voting results were as follows: On the proposal to elect 7 directors to serve until the next annual meeting. Ken Globus received 2,300,653 votes for, 385,055 votes against, 6,960 abstentions, 945,034 broker nonvotes. Lawrence F. Maietta received 2,269,236 votes for, 324,776 votes against, 98,656 abstentions, 945,034 broker nonvotes. Arthur M. Dresner received 2,532,497 votes for, 61,445 votes against, 98,726 abstentions, 945,034 broker nonvotes. Andrew A. Boccone, 2,498,527 votes for, 95,415 votes against, 98,726 abstentions, 945,034 broker nonvotes. S. Ari Papoulias, 2,503,521 votes for, 90,421 votes against, 98,726 abstentions, 945,034 broker nonvotes. Catherine Kolinski, 2,525,859 votes for, 71,585 votes against, 5,224 abstentions, 945,034 broker nonvotes. Donna Vigilante, 2,319,320 votes for, 356,944 votes against, 7,404 abstentions, 945,034 broker nonvotes. On the proposal to approve the holding of a vote every 1, 2 or 3 years on an advisory basis on the compensation paid to the company's named executive officers, the proposal to do so every year has passed. The vote totals were for every year, 2,576,591; every 2 years, 9,558; every 3 years, 85,899; abstentions, 20,620; broker nonvotes, 945,034. On the proposal to approve on an advisory basis, the actual compensation paid to the company's named executive officers, the proposal has passed. The vote totals were 2,562,179 votes for, 115,843 votes against, 14,646 abstentions, 945,034 broker nonvotes. On the proposal to ratify the appointment of Grassi & Company, CPAs P.C. as the company's independent public accountants for the fiscal year ending December 31, 2026. The proposal has passed. The vote totals were 3,566,216 votes for, 45,290 votes against, 26,196 abstentions. I call for a motion that the vote certification of the inspectors of election be filed with the records of the corporation.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#38

I move that the vote certification of the inspectors of election be filed with the records of the corporation.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#39

And I second the motion.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#40

All those in favor, say aye. [Voting]

Andrea Young

Executives
#41

Aye

Unknown Executive

Executives
#42

Aye

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#43

All opposed, say no. [Voting]

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#44

The motion is carried. The complete voting results will be posted on our website. At this time, we'd like to have a discussion and question and answer. I will share my screen.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#45

Can I ask a question?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#46

Sure.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#47

Can you tell us -- my name is Douglas Ruth. I'm from Lenox Financial Services. I'm a stock broker. Could you give us an update on what's happening with the pharmaceutical business? It seems like that business is moving in the right direction.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#48

Sure. I will be happy to do that. I'm going to go through the presentation first because part of that will touch upon that, and then I can follow up with any additional questions that you might have, if that's okay.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#49

Yes.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#50

Okay. Great. Okay. Can everybody see my screen? Okay. So today's agenda, we want to talk about some of the key achievements that we've had throughout the year. We'll talk about the financial performance for fiscal year 2025. We'll talk about the financial performance for Q1 2026 and then some of our strategic goals as where we're headed. So in terms of key achievements, we have expanded the market this year with signing a new distribution agreement with Azelis to expand the reach of our medical lubricants. We added a new product to our portfolio for the sexual wellness market. We initiated the project to expand formulary status for Renacidin, which has been very successful so far, and we're happy to see where that is going to go. And we signed a new agreement with Brenntag for a new territory in the personal care space. In terms of financial performance, so fiscal year 2025, we did see a decrease in net sales from $12,181,971 to $10,545,468. We also saw some decreases in retained earnings and stockholders' equity, retained earnings shifting from $11,423,434 to $10,772,580 retained earnings and the stockholders' equity $11,882,866 to $11,232,012. And that decrease was mainly due to the reduction in cosmetic ingredient sales, along with a reduction in net income compared with 2024. If we look at the breakdown of that market, you can -- I'm not sure what happened with my screen. But if you could see the breakdown for 2024, we had 17% in the medical lubricants, 44% in cosmetic ingredients and 39% in pharmaceuticals, where that shift then in 2025, you're seeing 20% in medical lubricants, cosmetic ingredients at 29% and 51% in pharmaceuticals. So there was a shift there. We're starting to see an increase in pharmaceuticals, which is part of our efforts that we are working on to continue to expand Renacidin. Due to this market mix, pharmaceuticals do have a higher cost of sales, which does impact the earnings compared to cosmetic ingredients and medical lubricants. When we look at Q1 2026, we are seeing an increase. So we did see net sales increase in Q1 due to higher sales in pharmaceuticals and cosmetic ingredients sales started to rebound. Retained earnings and stockholders' equity also rose slightly due to a combination of increased net income and decreased dividend payments compared to Q1 of 2025. So we're happy to see that Q1 is starting to rebound. In terms of the breakdown, we're looking at the product mix. In Q1 2025, we're seeing medical lubricants at 25%, cosmetic ingredients at 28% and pharmaceuticals at 47%. And in Q1 2026, we're seeing medical lubricants at 20%, cosmetic ingredients, again, rebounding a bit to 30% and pharmaceuticals again increasing to 50%. So again, that does impact earnings because the cost of sales for pharmaceuticals are higher compared to cosmetic ingredients and medical lubricants. That does kind of show that the increase in pharma activities that we're doing is starting to pay off where we're seeing those increases in those sales. So in terms of strategic goals, what we're looking moving forward, we are asking all of our cosmetic ingredient distributors to have growth goals, and those goals are being monitored during our business review. So we are looking for them to increase sales and provide additional drivers for business, increased customer base, increased portfolio. So we are really looking to increase the business there in personal care. For product expansion, as was mentioned, we have been expanding our resources for Renacidin and expanding the market there with a payer and health care practitioner outreach. And with the payer outreach, we're starting to see some real traction there where that is allowing us to reduce the barrier for HCPs to prescribe Renacidin which allows more patients to have access to the product. So we're starting to see that shift. It's looking like that's really starting to impact the way the product is received and patients are able to access the product, and we'll continue to work on that. We also want to make sure that the outreach is available so that doctors know that these products are -- have more formulary status and are able to prescribe them to patients without that barrier existing. For product innovation, we have two new products that are launching later this year and early next year, one in skin care, one in hair care. The skin care product is a 24-hour hydration product and the benchmark against that is HA. So we're hoping that we can get some increased business with this product, which is a little bit different than the other products that we have. And the hair care product is a natural ingredient, which is very popular now in personal care. A lot of customers are looking toward natural ingredients. And this is different for the hair care market where it typically doesn't have as many natural ingredients. So we're looking forward to seeing some increased business with that product. Customer success, we are continuing to build the relationships with our customers. We participate in webinars, customer seminars, joint customer visits with our distributors, and we are able to get closer to the customer, understand their needs, get their feedback, which helps us to develop new products and to provide additional information so that they can be incorporated into finished formulations. In terms of distributor partnerships, we continue to expand those relationships to better serve our customers. Again, we signed the distribution agreement with Azelis this year. We also signed distribution agreement with Brenntag for a new territory. So we are constantly looking to find ways to improve our distribution partnerships and serve our customers. And we also have growth initiatives that the company has created a growth committee for. So these are for new opportunities, new ways to expand our business. They meet regularly and discuss different ideas and things that the company can pursue in terms of growth and making sure that we're constantly pursuing growth opportunities. I don't know if that answered some of your questions on the Renacidin, if there's additional information that you'd like to.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#51

What has to happen in order to -- for the -- with the two pharmacy benefit managers in order to further increase the sales here?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#52

So as -- I think we need to ensure that the healthcare providers are aware that the products have better formulary access, which is part of the next step in our initiative for Renacidin. So we are exploring ways in which we can have additional outreach to HCPs. So they're aware that formulary barrier has been removed in some cases, and they can now prescribe without having that as a barrier for patients to access the product.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#53

Could you maybe simplify what -- so possibly a doctor recognizes that your drug might help? And what is the roadblock to the patient maybe being able to be given that drug? Maybe you can explain that.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#54

Sure. I think the bigger barrier there is more about the insurance landscape. So if a doctor prescribes Renacidin and it isn't covered by the insurance carrier, then the patient may not be able to get the product. And by reducing that barrier, having it available on formulary gives doctors more incentive to then prescribe because they know the patient isn't going to come back to them and say, "Well, I can't get this product, what else can I do? So I think that's where the limitation was existing in terms of a barrier. Now that barrier is starting to be removed. So as doctors know, okay, if it's -- there's more formulary status, there's less likely that the patient won't be able to get the product, and they'll be able to start that treatment.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#55

Now why wouldn't the drug be -- the drug is known to help certain people, why wouldn't the drug be available?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#56

It really depends on the payers and how they create their formularies. So that's part of the work that we're doing is to understand how to ensure that the payers that develop formularies understand the value of the drug.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#57

Can I add something to that? Just real quick, just to make sure that there's no misunderstanding here. It's not that the product is not available. The product is available nationwide through multiple distributors. It's a question of whether the patient can afford it. If it's not on their formulary, they're not going to get reimbursed for it or it's not going to be covered. And it's -- for a lot of people, it's just too expensive. So it's not an availability issue. It's just an affordability issue.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#58

And can you give us an idea of like how much it might cost?

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#59

I mean I personally don't know what the distributors resell it for. That's really up to them. I mean it's not a huge markup. But all I can tell you is that over the years, a lot of people have told us the people that don't have coverage for it is that it's just too expensive for them.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#60

Well, is it like -- is it $100 for a treatment? Is it $200? Maybe just give us some perspective of how much it might be to help us understand.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#61

Do you remember what their markup is on it?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#62

Yes, it will vary by retail pharmacy as well because it gets sold into a retail pharmacy. So the pricing could be very different.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#63

Well, what is the wholesale cost? So let's just say that they double the cost. So is it -- do you sell it to somebody for $100 and they resell it for $200...

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#64

What's our price per bottle on...

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#65

Andrea, do you know the wholesale acquisition cost for Renacidin?

Andrea Young

Executives
#66

Yes, $182.14.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#67

For a box.

Andrea Young

Executives
#68

Yes.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#69

Yes. So that's for 6 bottles.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#70

Okay. And then what is -- what would be a normal -- how many bottles might a person need to be in a normal treatment cycle?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#71

No, it's 30 bottles in a box...

Andrea Young

Executives
#72

Yes, 30 by 30 in a box. And it really depends on what the doctor is prescribing. So the volume varies by patient.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#73

Well, would you need -- would one box take care of a person who has a problem, do you think?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#74

Typically, there would be a box prescribed per month, maybe 2, depending on the units that the patient needs.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#75

All right. So you need -- so 2 boxes and then how many months do you need to take the drug?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#76

Well, most people that need the product are on it typically for the lifetime of the catheter that they have, which most of those people have indwelling catheters, which is permanently placed, but they're there.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#77

So you need 2 boxes per month for the rest of your life possibly.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#78

1 or 2 boxes.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#79

Yes. It depends on -- of course, it depends on the patient and what they're...

Unknown Executive

Executives
#80

A box and a half. I'm going to go with the box and a half for the rest of your life.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#81

Okay. All right. Well, that gives us some perspective. Now we can understand. I mean that -- obviously, the distributor has the right to make some money. So if they double the cost, it's $360 for one box. So it's $540 a month for -- possibly for the drug. Okay. My second question was -- with the Brenntag going -- the possibility of going to France, I was wondering if you could explain to us how you chose France and what you think might happen there, how they chose France or maybe you chose France?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#82

Yes. I mean, France is a big market for personal care. And when we're looking at that market, we know that it is shifting to a more natural space where in the past, maybe some of the synthetic ingredients were more popular. Now it's moving to more natural. We felt that Brenntag had the right positioning to access the customers in France for the natural products that we're looking to promote.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#83

Do you think that in 2026 that you might be able to secure a customer for the sexual awareness products?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#84

Yes. We do believe that we will have customer for sexual wellness in 2026.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#85

Initially, you thought that there might be -- you had a prospect for 2025. Did that prospect perhaps shift from 2025 to 2026?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#86

I believe that may have been that the project didn't move forward for the customer. So sometimes that happens where a customer has a project and then they were planning to launch and then it just gets delayed or the project gets put on hold. So -- but we do believe that there's a customer that we know of now that we will be purchasing and we should see those sales in 2026.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#87

And how about the competitors? Are they having any success with their products for the sexual wellness, the natural products?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#88

We really haven't seen a lot of competition in this space because it's a very -- it's a newer space. It's a niche space. And I think from what we've heard from our distributor, there's a lot of interest in the sexual wellness space. There's a lot of customers that are interested to get into this space. There are some regulatory hurdles that they have to consider. So it is a little bit more slow moving. But we really haven't heard of a lot of competition directly in that space as of right now.

Douglas Ruth

Analysts
#89

Okay. I want to thank the company and the Board of Directors for hosting the meeting and then answering my questions.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#90

Are there any other questions?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#91

Yes, I have a question, Ken [indiscernible]. One of the headwinds that you mentioned in the past year was dealing with the various tariffs. I noticed in the news recently that companies are now starting to get refunds from the tariffs. I believe there's something like 330,000 importers that are requesting tariff refunds. I was wondering what amount of money do you see Guardian getting back from these tariffs and these tariff refunds and when we might expect to receive that money?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#92

Andrea, do you want to take that question in terms of tariffs?

Andrea Young

Executives
#93

Sure. So in terms of the tariffs, we -- United Guardian are not the importer of record for any products coming in. So we are not doing any refunds for tariffs because we didn't pay any direct tariffs as a result.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#94

Okay. We were talking about Renacidin quite a bit. I noticed going back many years, it seems like about every 5 or 10 years or so, you run into a problem with your contract manufacturers. I was wondering what current backups you have if you were to run into a problem again or even if you have tried to produce this product on your own?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#95

It's a very specialized process. And with an FDA approved drug, you can only have certain contract manufacturers that have to be approved. So it is a concern. It's always something that we have to be mindful of. We do work very closely with our contract manufacturer to make sure that things are running smoothly and that there are no issues that are on the horizon. Unfortunately, sometimes there are things that come up that we can't foresee. And we've had some issues in the past there. But it's a very highly specialized type of process and not something that we have the capabilities to do in-house and would have to have that manufacturer approved by the FDA in order to have a secondary contract manufacturer.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#96

Okay. Again, talking about Renacidin, it's been a product of yours for many, many years. Why has it been so difficult to try to get into international markets?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#97

I think the main driver there is I think we needed to ensure that we had the success in the U.S. market to make sure that we had a very good understanding of how to take this forward. And I think that's getting additional sales here and having more interest in the product, I think that will help us move to some of the other markets that we're looking at and defining which markets are going to be the best ones for us to start our introduction into international spaces.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#98

Glancing at the proxy statement, I noticed that we can see the bonuses that are received by top executives. What we see in this year's proxy under the heading of 2025 is that actually the bonus that was received last year?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#99

Let me look at that. I believe so, right? Andrea, if you...

Andrea Young

Executives
#100

Yes

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#101

I believe so.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#102

It would be year paid.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#103

Yes. Paid in 2025.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#104

Okay. So I believe according to the report, you just received your 2026 bonuses in April of this year for how you produced last year.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#105

Yes

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#106

Can you give us an idea of did those bonuses increase, decrease or remain the same from the previous year?

Andrea Young

Executives
#107

They were reduced from the previous year.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#108

Okay. Also in the proxy statement, we noticed that top executives have made a decision not to participate in the ownership of United Guardian. Can you give any philosophical reasons or financial reasons why you made that decision?

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#109

Ken, is that something you want to answer?

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#110

No. No, I would just say that No, we don't.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#111

Ken is the one who is the shareholder. I'm sort of focusing on the other two or three.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#112

No, I understand what the question is. It -- that's up to the individual officers and directors, what they -- where they want to put their investments. We don't tell people to buy stock or not buy stock in the company. It's really their own choice. I don't think it reflects on their attitude towards the company at all, but it's a very individual decision about where somebody puts their financial resources.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#113

Okay. So you don't think it's a kind of lack of faith in the company?

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#114

I don't believe that's the case, no.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#115

One final question. I think Mr. Globus might have the best insight into this. Of course, the company has been a public company for over 40 years now, something like that.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#116

Longer than that. 1950s.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#117

Okay. I thought it went public in 1980s.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#118

That was a merger of the 2 companies that incorporated into the current company, United Guardian. Guardian Chemical Corporation was merged into United International Research, which was a public company formed in the 1950s. So that merger created United Guardian in the 1980s.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#119

Okay. So my question is pretty basic. Companies basically go public for, I guess, two major reasons: one, to raise capital; and secondly, possibly to let corporate insiders get a chance to monetize their holdings. Neither of those reasons seem to apply to Guardian in its current format. So I just asked the basic question, why has the company decided to remain a public company? Obviously, there's various expenses that occur for a public company, various issues with having to hold these meetings, which, of course, takes some of your time away from what you want to be doing. So Ken, maybe you're the best one to answer that question.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#120

Well, I can just -- we have looked into it. There was one time many years ago that we were seriously looking at the possibility and met with some people and realized that the cost of doing it was just too great at that time. Even at the current stock price, it would mean taking on a lot of debt, which we weren't willing to do. So we just felt that there was enough of a benefit. Yes, there was certainly a cost, time and money in being a public company. But I also feel that we do a lot ourselves. I think we keep those costs to a minimum compared to a lot of other companies. I think our expenses to remain public are relatively low compared to many other companies. And again, I think the primary reason really was just the cost of doing it.

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#121

So you would sort of agree that being public doesn't really give you the benefits of most public companies.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#122

I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

Unknown Analyst

Analysts
#123

Well, just repeating what I had said before, the goal of going -- the purpose for going public doesn't seem to apply to Guardian in its current format.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#124

I'm not sure I can really answer that. It's not like we have really an option -- a practical option now to do anything to change that, whether we should have been a public company or not, you have to go back 60 years to discuss that issue. But it is what it is right now. And I think a lot of people are satisfied. Obviously, we'd like more. We'd like to grow the sales as our stockholders would like us to do. But our yield is still pretty good compared to what you can get right now in the banks. I think we're somewhere in the 7%, 6%-7% rate right now. And obviously, our goal is to increase sales and increase that dividend. So yes, we're very small for a public company. But I think we've been pretty successful, and we plan to grow that more significantly in the future. So there's not really much I can see doing about it right now. Again, it's just -- there's really not any motivation on the part of the company right now to incur the kind of debt that would be involved in going private at this point.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#125

Are there any other questions we can answer?

Unknown Executive

Executives
#126

No. I move that the meeting be adjourned.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#127

I second the motion.

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#128

All those in favor, say aye. [Voting]

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#129

Aye.

Andrea Young

Executives
#130

Aye

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#131

All those opposed, say no. [Voting]

Donna Vigilante

Executives
#132

The motion is carried and the meeting is adjourned. Thank you very much for attending the Annual Meeting for United Guardian.

Kenneth Globus

Executives
#133

Thanks, Donna.

Andrea Young

Executives
#134

Thank you.

Unknown Executive

Executives
#135

Thank you.

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