Universal Technical Institute, Inc. (UTI) Q1 FY2026 Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good afternoon and welcome to the Universal Technical Institute First Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Kempton, Vice President of Corporate Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Hello, and welcome to Universal Technical Institute's Fiscal First Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. Joining me today are our CEO, Jerome Grant; and CFO, Bruce Schuman. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call for your questions. A replay of this call, its transcript and our investor presentation will be archived on the Investor Relations section of our website at investor.uti.edu, along with our earnings release issued earlier today and furnished to the SEC. During this call, we may make comments that contain forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, which by their nature, address matters that are in the future and are uncertain. These statements reflect management's current beliefs and expectations and are subject to a number of factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those statements. These factors include, but are not limited to, those discussed in our earnings release and SEC filings. These statements do not guarantee future performance, and therefore, undue reliance should not be placed upon them. We do not intend to update these forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future developments except as required by law. Please note, unless otherwise stated, all comparisons in this call will be against our results for the comparable period of fiscal 2025. The information presented today also includes non-GAAP financial measures. These should be viewed in addition to and not as a substitute for the company's reported results prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. All non-GAAP financial measures referenced in today's call are reconciled in our earnings press release to the most directly comparable GAAP measure. For more information regarding definitions of our non-GAAP measures, please see our earnings release, financial supplement and investor presentation. With that, I will turn the call over to Jerome Grant, CEO of Universal Technical Institute for his prepared remarks. Jerome?

Thank you, Matt. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. In just a few minutes, our CFO, Bruce Schuman, will go into more details from a financial perspective. Prior to that, I'd like to share some thoughts in our 3 areas of focus: performance of the company, execution of our North Star strategic plan; and finally, opportunities we're exploring to move beyond that plan. First, performance. As we begin fiscal 2026 we're performing with clarity and momentum against a well-defined strategy. We entered the year on strong operational and financial footing and the first quarter tracked in line with our plans and exceeded our expectations for disciplined execution. Revenue for the first quarter grew 10% to $221 million. Our baseline adjusted EBITDA was nearly $35 million, including over $7 million in growth investments, our reported adjusted EBITDA was $27 million. Average full-time active students increased 7% with total new student starts growing roughly 3% year-over-year, which is right in line with our and broader market expectations. These results position us well for acceleration as fiscal 2026 unfolds. Overall, we delivered a strong start to the year and the progress we made this quarter reinforces the durability of our North Star Strategy. With that strong performance in the first quarter, we remain confident in our expectations for the full year. To reiterate, in fiscal 2026, we expect revenue to be between $905 million and $915 million, reflecting approximately 9% year-over-year growth at the midpoint. Our baseline adjusted EBITDA is anticipated to be approximately $156 million with approximately $40 million in growth investments related to launching and scaling new campuses and programs, our reported adjusted EBITDA is expected to range between $114 million and $119 million. New student starts are also on track and are anticipated to be between 31,500 and 33,000. As Bruce will discuss in more depth, our guidance appropriately reflects the balance between near-term performance and long-term value creation. It is important to note that while driving double-digit growth in revenue and baseline EBITDA as well as strong student start growth in 2026, our team remains intensely focused on delivering the impressive student and employer outcomes that have been the cornerstone of our over 60 years history. Moving now to our strategic execution during the quarter, which is guided by our North Star Strategy, we are continuing to build and further scale a durable, repeatable growth engine through our disciplined and proven operating model. This approach is guided by a refined and continually evolving playbook for launching campuses replicating and expanding programs on our existing campuses and optimizing performance, which allows us to reproduce success with consistency as we grow. Our most recent campus launches, UTI Austin and Miramar, are excellent representations of the strategy success. Both Austin and Miramar continue to meet and exceed our expectations, validating our approach to site selection, program mix, marketing and ramp timing, all while driving strong student outcomes. In Miramar, we have over 600 average full-time active students. We are adding additional sessions for the automotive program and are actively pursuing expansion of the capacity-constrained aviation maintenance technology program at that campus. Austin continues to perform significantly beyond our expectations with over 1,000 average full-time active students, which is 70% higher than we modeled. The performance of our campuses gives us confidence that our new facilities can scale efficiently, while generating attractive long-term returns. As we announced on our Q4 and full year 2025 call, over the next several years, we plan to open a [ momentum ] of 2 and up to 5 new campus annually pending regulatory approval. The first of our fiscal 2026 campuses, our [ Heartland ] conquered co-branded campus in Fort Myers, Florida, just opened in November. Demand has already exceeded our expectations with programs filling to capacity within 2 weeks of opening. We already have waiting list in place. In San Antonio, we are approximately a month away from opening the doors to our new skilled trades and aviation-focused campus. Our recruiting efforts are going quite well for the initial start in March. As a matter of fact, we already have over 300 students ready to start. There's particularly keen interest in welding and [ HVA CR ] in San Antonio. To remind you, this campus is slated to train over 600 students annually and generate approximately $32 million in run rate revenue at scale and it further diversifies UTI's geographic footprint in a high-demand region. We are also preparing to open our UTI Atlanta location, a comprehensive campus in a greenfield state. This facility will offer a comprehensive collection of our strongest UTI programs, including auto, diesel, aviation and the trades. The UTI division team is projecting to enroll over 1,200 students and generate upwards of $45 million in run rate revenue at scale, and the campus remains on track to launch in the second half of the fiscal year. The Atlanta campus has been actively recruiting for approximately 1 month and student interest is quite impressive, indicating strong interest in that market. Looking beyond this year, our next wave of campuses slated for fiscal 2027 are also tracking well. To date, for fiscal 2027, we have announced our intention to open comprehensive UTI campus in Salt Lake City, as well as [ compare ] campuses in the Houston, Atlanta and Phoenix metropolitan areas. As always, the exact launch time lines on these are based on securing various regulatory approvals. We look forward to providing further updates on these and our other planned future locations as we continue to execute on our North Star Strategy. Alongside new campuses, we continue to scale our [ rich program ] portfolio. Throughout Phase 2 of North Star, we plan to launch between 12 and 20 new programs across the UTI and Concorde divisions annually. This year, we'll be launching over 20 programs with at least 10 coming from each division. Across our UTI campuses in '26, we plan to launch 12 programs, 2 [ HVAC ], 1 aviation maintenance and 9 programs in our electrical suite which includes industrial maintenance, robotics and automation as well as wind turbine technology. Adding UTI programs continues to optimize the legacy UTI campuses. These in-demand skilled trades programs were brought to us through the [ MIIT ] acquisition and are addressing the diverse interest expressed by the nearly 600,000 young people who inquire UTI annually. One example of this optimization effort, is our October announcement, which we outlined the new programs being launched at UTI Dallas campus. At scale, the expanded Dallas campus, which currently offers auto, diesel and welding to nearly 1,200 students annually will now be able to serve an additional 1,000 students and will offer [ HVAC/R ], aviation and electrical programs beginning in the coming weeks. With the Concorde acquisition-related growth restrictions in our rearview mirror, we're now set to launch at least 10 new programs in high-demand areas on the legacy Concorde campuses in 2026. These include 8 radiation technology programs as well as on surgical technology program and 1 diagnostic medical sonography program. All of our program replication initiatives are tightly aligned with employer demand and workforce shortages and build on capabilities we already know how to deliver wealth. In addition to opening new campuses and replicating programs on existing campuses we remain focused on executing on our plan to continue to optimize our 33 facilities to enhance operations, maintain high-level outcomes, maximize our resources and ultimately improve margins. Specifically, this work focuses on expanding capacity for popular programs that have waitlist building, programs such as aviation, [ HVAC ] and welding on our UTI campuses and Dental Hygiene on our Concorde campuses. To recap, the business is performing quite well, and the North Star Strategy is progressing on track due to our continued focus on execution and strong market demand for our graduates. I'll conclude my remarks by addressing a question that we're consistently getting while we're out talking to both new and existing investors. What else? Acknowledging and performing at a high level and executing on our aggressive organic growth strategy needs to remain the primary focus. We're also keeping our eyes on future opportunities we see on the horizon. First, on the regulatory front, with the new level of collaboration in Washington, we're now actively participating in dialogue as rules, guidelines and policies are being developed that foster the opportunity to accelerate closing the gap with respect to the American skilled labor workforce in new and innovative ways. For example, the success of our Heartland partnership is already spurring evaluation of collaborative expansion opportunities with Heartland and other dental service organizations as well as other large-scale employers across both divisions who are experiencing similar labor shortages. Furthermore, this administration has acknowledged us as a leader in this space and the critical role we play in securing America's workforce for the future. That recognition, combined with the level of engagement in Washington supports our ability to open new campuses and expand program offerings and innovate thoughtfully within a highly regulated environment with greater speed and consistency. From an inorganic standpoint, we continue to actively evaluate opportunities that align with our North Star Strategy, particularly in the areas that enhance our health care portfolio. In conclusion, we are executing from a strong operational and financial foundation. And we believe fiscal 2026 represents an important year of both investment and execution that sets the stage for accelerated returns in the years ahead as these initiatives take scale. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bruce, our CFO, to review our first quarter financials and provide you with further details on our guidance. Bruce?

Thank you, Jerome. The fiscal first quarter represented a strong start to the year on average full-time active students, revenue and adjusted EBITDA as we continued executing the priorities of our North Star Strategy. Importantly, these results were delivered while we began deploying the significant growth investments we outlined last quarter. Investments that support new campus launches, program expansions and long-term capacity creation across both UTI and Concorde. In the first quarter, total average full-time active students grew 7.2% year-over-year to 26,858, while total new student starts increased 2.6% to 5,449, in line with the outlook we shared last quarter. As we've mentioned previously, average full-time active students is how revenue is derived and therefore, often a more direct and consistent indicator of revenue and operating performance than new student starts. Further, prioritizing total new student starts as a company rather than at the divisional level, provides us the flexibility to allocate marketing and growth investments where we see the greatest return potential even if that results in uneven start growth between divisions in a given period. The Concorde division generated a 9.5% increase in average full-time active students. This growth was driven by sustained demand for our programs, particularly across Nursing and Allied Health. The UTI division grew average full-time active students 5.7% year-over-year for the quarter reflecting continued strength across the division's program suite and employer demand as well as further optimized campus utilization. Shifting to our financial performance. First quarter revenue on a consolidated basis increased 9.6% to $220.8 million. Concorde contributed $78 million, an increase of 11.5% over the prior year quarter, while the UTI division contributed $142.8 million, an increase of 8.6% over the prior year quarter. Turning to profitability. Consolidated net income for the first quarter was $12.8 million or $0.23 per diluted share. Baseline adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter was $34.7 million Including $7.6 million in growth investments, our SEC reported adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $27.1 million. At the end of the quarter, we had 55 million shares outstanding. Total available liquidity at the end of the quarter was $233.2 million, including $69.2 million of short-term investments and $70.4 million of remaining capacity on our revolving credit facility. Year-to-date capital expenditures were $24 million or 24% of our expected spend for the year. As Jerome mentioned, with our solid first quarter results, we are reiterating our fiscal 2026 guidance. We continue to expect consolidated revenue to range from $905 million to $915 million for fiscal 2026 or approximately 9% year-over-year growth at the midpoint. As I shared last quarter, for quarters 2 and 3, we expect mid- to high single-digit revenue growth, with Q3 being slightly higher than Q2. Q4 is anticipated to be the highest revenue growth quarter in the low double-digit range. Net income is expected to be between $40 million and $45 million, with diluted earnings per share of $0.71 to $0.80. As I also shared last quarter, while revenue will be up every quarter as we make our significant growth investments this year, net income will contract further in Q2. This will improve slightly in Q3, though we still expect year-over-year contraction. In Q4, we expect low to mid-double-digit growth. Baseline adjusted EBITDA is anticipated to exceed $150 million, including approximately $40 million in growth investments our SEC reported adjusted EBITDA is expected to be between $114 million and $119 million. Similar to net income, as we make our significant growth investments this year, adjusted EBITDA will contract more strongly in Q2 than it did in Q1, but then yield mid- to high single-digit growth in Q3 and significantly stronger growth in Q4. As a reminder, growth investments are not added back when calculating our adjusted EBITDA. Total new student starts are expected to be between 31,500 and 33,000. We anticipate low to mid-double-digit starts growth in Q2 and mid- to high single-digit growth in the remaining quarters. Looking beyond fiscal 2026, our long-term financial framework under our North Star Strategy remains unchanged. We continue to target revenue of more than $1.2 billion by fiscal 2029, representing roughly a 10% revenue CAGR through that period and adjusted EBITDA approaching $220 million by that same year. We expect revenue growth to begin accelerating in fiscal 2027 with marginal EBITDA dollar growth emerging in 2027 and accelerating more significantly in 2028 and 2029. As a reminder, margin expansion will not be linear given the multiyear campus build cycle and upfront investment requirements, and we continue to plan for $100 million or more of annual CapEx to support new campuses and program expansions. While the majority of the execution on our enrollments and revenue remains to be achieved this year, the first quarter marked a strong and encouraging start to our fiscal 2026. We delivered on our revenue and adjusted EBITDA commitments while advancing critical work for our North Star strategy. Our financial position provides the capacity to execute these expansion efforts without compromising discipline and the early performance indicators from our newest campuses reinforces our confidence in the repeatability of our model. We remain focused on converting these investments into sustainable enrollment growth, operating leverage and long-term shareholder value. In addition to this earnings call transcript, we encourage everyone to review our press release, financial supplement, investor presentation and upcoming 10-Q filing. These materials include the latest updates on our consolidated and segment results, strategic initiatives and guidance. Thank you to our students, team, partners and investors for your ongoing support. I'd now like to turn the call over to the operator for Q&A. Operator?

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Alex Paris with Barrington Research.

Can you hear me?

We can hear you great, Alex.

Okay. Great. I was just switching from my speaker. So congrats on the quarter, better than expected, and we're on target for the full year. And you addressed this in your prepared comments, but I just wanted to dive a little deeper into -- from a color perspective. It starts were pretty much consolidated starts were pretty much in line with my published estimate. With stronger growth on the UTI side and flat on the Concorde side. Again, I hear you in that you're approaching it on a consolidated basis. And we -- and I absolutely expected some better performance out of UTI starts because I believe, more emphasis on it. I think you talked on the last conference call about perhaps shifting some marketing dollars to UTI adult, in UTI high school, I was just wondering what sort of additional color you can offer?

Sure. Well, thanks for confirming. I think the quarter in terms of starts came in exactly what we guided to. And frankly, it came in exactly what we expected in both of the divisions. I think the most important thing to consider when we looked at [indiscernible] for the quarter was they had a over 26% increase in the first quarter of last year. So their compare last year in the first quarter was very, very high. And so we expected them to be around flat this quarter. We have been investing more aggressively in UTI in front of the launches of both Atlanta and San Antonio to be prepared for that, and we're starting to see the benefits. And as Bruce said in his comments, we're absolutely on track to get what we expected in terms of high single-digit growth through the year with double-digit growth in the second quarter and then mid- to high single-digit growth in the last quarter. So the teams are set. You heard in my comments, the enrollments are rolling in right now on both of the campuses, over 300 kids ready to start down in San Antonio. And I'll remind you that we said at peak, we -- our plan was to have a run rate of around 600 students on average in the building. And so we feel great about our ability to meet or exceed that campus. We're just getting in the water on Atlanta, but signs are very, very positive initially there as well.

Great. And then what about investment into high school in term of...

We added a number of high school reps in the fall. And -- that's -- you won't really see that pay off till next fall, right, because they're focused on the kids who are juniors and seniors right now, mostly seniors and are going to be graduating in May. But the pipeline is feeling quite, quite well as we head towards that May, June, July, time period. So we really think we're going to get the bang for the buck out of that investment.

The other [indiscernible] thing, Alex, this is Bruce, on the UTI starts. It was really nice kind of across the board, pretty much every channel was kind of that nice mid-single digits. So we're encouraged about the start to Q1 as Jerome said.

Okay. And then well I have you, Bruce, just to recap on the CapEx comments. You said you're at $24 million year-to-date for the first quarter, and that's about 24% of full year expectations. So you're expecting $100 million this year, I think you said that too, right?

That's correct. Our expectation is about $100 million for the full year. And just another quick note of that $24 million, a full $19 million of that was growth CapEx. So similar to kind of that roughly $8 million of OpEx, we had about $19 million of CapEx purely focused on getting these new campuses, new programs rolled out that Jerome was talking about. So yes, that's correct.

And we should expect $100 million again in 2027? You've got 4 new campuses planned already at this point for 2027.

Yes, it's going to be probably at least 100 it could be slightly higher, but it's in that general quantum of $100 million, that's right.

The next question is from Steven Frankel with Rosenblatt.

I'd like to ask a couple of questions about the Heartland Fort Myers campus. When you first announced this, one of its unique characteristics was it was going to be cash pay because you hadn't had the growth restrictions removed. Now that those have been removed, is this ending up being a combination of government loans and cash pay? Or is it still cash pay at this point?

No, absolutely rolling forward, it's going to operate like every other campus. There are support programs associated with Heartland, but then also students have options to do government loans, [ tele-grants ] and the like. My commentary around how the approval machine is working right now with the Department of Education is underscored by the Heartland situation whereby we submitted and received our approval for Title IV funding there after getting a creditor approval, we've submitted and achieved our approval within 72 hours. And so the lines of communication are wide open, and we're aligned on our ability to move quickly to try to solve this workforce gap.

And in terms of the quick response from regulators, is the same true on the state level in the states where you're operating? Or are you still battling some of your accuracy there?

Well, no, not the same, not all the state levels. The state levels are operating as they always have. right? And sometimes, as you enter new states, et cetera. It's one of the reasons why we talk about the timing of launching the 4 campuses that we've announced already for 2027 is sometimes state governments will only meet on a topic like this once every 6 months. And you've got to wait in line. And if you get on that docket, you do where you got to wait 6 months and that can affect your start of a campus. So far, for Fort Myers, for Atlanta and for San Antonio, we're absolutely where we want to be. Our planning was in place. The time lines are holding and we're happy to see what's happening. But with the regulatory environment in states, accreditors and the federal government, there sometimes can be some sway. I guess what we're signaling is one of the biggest pieces of sway over time was Title IV funding in the federal government, and that's something that's operating quite well.

Okay. And then I know the divisional profitability can swing around a lot period to period, but the margin pressure in the quarter at Concorde, what do we attribute that to? And you expect margins to bounce back there fairly quickly?

Yes. Steve, this is Bruce. So really, the -- a little bit of a decline there in EBIT margins, frankly, on both sides on the Concorde and the UTI side, that's directly attributable to these growth investments, right? We're going to have kind of this profitability dip here this year that we're navigating through as we execute on these growth investments. That's all it is. There's nothing structurally wrong or something going on at the divisional level. It's really just the growth investment being applied appropriately as we navigate through that. That's what drove the decline.

Yes, I was just checking in on that.

The next question is from Jasper Bibb with Truist.

I just wanted to ask I guess, gives you confidence in the reacceleration for starts over the balance of the year. It sounds like in your framework, fiscal second quarter starts would be particularly strong versus fiscal first quarter. So I guess, just hoping to get some more color on the drivers of that improvement? Is it in your costs? Is it more marketing dollars?

Well, it's a combination of things. First of all, just to underscore, the first quarter starts were exactly where we guided to and give us at least more confidence in the fact that the momentum continues to build. The second quarter, you start to build the momentum around some of the new programs that are starting the campuses in the Dallas expansion, which is coming to life in the second quarter and then the San Antonio campus, which opens. And so that's where you start to see the acceleration of start growth in that quarter which leaves only Atlanta in the end of the third, beginning of the fourth quarter to open. And so that's what we mean when we're talking about momentum.

That makes sense. And then can you remind us or frame for us how large those first star cohorts at San Antonio and Atlanta might be in the second quarter and the third quarter?

Well, they're quite small. But remember, as you look at UTI, the first 3 quarters of the year are only half of the starts for the year and then the fourth quarter is half, right? And so any swing of 25 or 30 students, which is maybe a cohort for starting a new aviation program, et cetera, can sort of a law of small numbers, swings in numbers pretty significantly. And remember, we're going to be opening over 20 programs this year, and they're all starting to come to life in the second, third and fourth quarter. And so each one of them is individually small, but when you start putting them together, it starts to move the needle.

That makes sense. Last one for me. I just wanted to ask what you're seeing on marketing yields and seen acquisition costs?

We're continuing to see improvement. We're continuing to see that the tools we're putting into place are finding us efficiency and effectiveness in the channel. I think that a lot of the experiments we're doing with AI-driven technology, et cetera, is helping us quite a bit in the channel. Our targeting is much more precise and therefore, we're able to get more leads for the buck in this space. So we're very happy with what we're seeing so far.

Yes. I would agree, Jasper. Probably just add quickly. If you look at our marketing dollar efficiency. As a percent of revenue, it is up a little bit, Q1 '26 versus Q1 '25, about 1 point or so, and that's directly tied to these new campus openings in new locations, new programs. And that's why it's ticked up a little bit, but it's for the right reason to make sure we drive those enrollments.

Next question is from Griffin Boss with B. Riley Securities.

I appreciate all the color and transparency. So just one for me. I don't think I heard anything about this in the prepared remarks on the last earnings call back in November, you discussed adjusted free cash flow expectations for fiscal '26, $20 million to $25 million. I don't think I heard a reiteration of that. Just curious if you could -- if you had anything to update there if you're still looking at that same level of free cash flow for the year.

Yes. Thanks, Griffin. This is Bruce. So yes, we're definitely reiterating that same level kind of in the $20 million to $25 million range for the year. And again, that's just directly attributable. You look at that sort of $100 million CapEx bill for this year, a full $75 million of that is growth CapEx. So that's what's driving kind of that dip in free cash flow. But yes, we're reiterating that same range. We feel really good about our execution, frankly, the first quarter kind of right on spending 24% of the year. We feel really good about how that's playing out, and we are definitely reiterating that same range.

The next question is from Eric Martinuzzi with Lake Street Capital.

You talked about the positive momentum out of the gate at the Fort Myers Heartland Campus. Curious to know if there's any appetite for other Heartland locations and what the time line might be for that?

Well, I mean, we have no new locations to announce, but we are in active conversations with them. they're happy, we're happy. We're seeing the signs pointing in the right direction. It's early in the cycle. The first 2 cohorts did sell out. We have waiting lists associated with them, and their needs are not declining. So Heartland and other DSOs are very keenly interested in what we have, which is a very large dental hygiene program that can be scaled upon. So nothing to announce today, but we're having some very healthy conversations.

Okay. And then on the UTI side, as far as partner initiatives, anything new to report, and this can be across auto, diesel, aviation partners pulling you or asking more of you in calendar 2026?

Yes. I mean one of the things that we tipped to and we don't -- again, we don't have anything to announce today on the UTI side for that is that the Heartland model has piqued a lot of keen interest from major manufacturers and employers on the UTI side as well, right, is -- and as we've also said, some people are in sort of a wait-and-see mode, let's see what you get out of it. I think us selling out the first 2 cohorts has accelerated some of those conversations because there are other sectors where the needs are just as high as they are in the dental areas. And so our business development team is actually working quite hard to work on some of those deals as well.

The next question is from Raj Sharma with Texas Capital Bank.

Again, congratulations on a beat and reiterating the year I had a couple of questions on the -- just the EBITDA, noticing the EBITDA margins even after adjusting the growth OpEx, it seems like the margins are slightly lower. Then last year, any sort of color there?

Well, I mean -- thanks, Raj, this is Bruce. The vast majority of that decline year-over-year is the growth investment. I mean there could be some timing variability. For example, in Q1, like I mentioned before, our sales and marketing has ticked up a little bit. as we get ready for some enrollments here in our new campuses. But by and large, the vast majority of our decline this year is due to the growth investments. The underlying base business, we are still expanding margins on the core if it weren't for the growth OpEx.

Yes. I think the modeling is important to lay out here, which is after growth investments last year, or without growth investments, we would have printed around $133 million in adjusted EBITDA. Our baseline pointer right now for this year is somewhere in the mid-150 lane.

Only [ 56 ], that's right.

That's the core business margin growth. So you're definitely going to see it.

That's right.

Right. So it's the timing through the year, the baseline core EBITDA is going to move up even exactly -- got it. Right. So on starts, do you break out the old -- can you give more -- some color on the old campuses versus the new campuses. Are they performing consistently? I mentioned -- I think, Bruce, you mentioned consistently mid-single digits across. Is that true for the old all of the campuses across? Anything stands up?

We're now in year 3 at Austin and Miramar. And so they're not considered new campuses anymore. We're just -- we wanted to outline for you to so that folks can have confidence in the models we're putting together for all the new campuses that we're launching that both of them are performing at and significantly above what those models were. But the new campuses are just coming online right now, and we won't have the ramp rates on those probably until next year to be able to talk about. So I don't like to call them old, but every campus right now is in the same boat. They're all at run rate. And so no, we don't have any variation to report.

Got it. And you also -- you don't break out the young adults versus high school students. Is there any sort of...

No.

No, we don't.

Well, I mean, we've always talked at UTI about the 3 different tributaries of our of the UTI piece. Now it's inconsequential on the Concorde side, the average demographic is somewhere between 25 and 35 years old. So there's no such thing as young adults versus older adults. But on the UTI side, somewhere in the -- around 35% of the students come right out of high school. You're not going to see any of those until the fall, right? And then the balance, 15% come from military and then the balance are people who, as I've always said, are people who should have come right after high school, but went out into the unskilled labor market and are now looking for a career. And so just about everything you're seeing right now in Q1, 2 and 3 is that adult population. And so that's probably the best [indiscernible] I can give to you for right now.

Got it. Got it. So consistently, the different campuses are performing consistently they're going to grow the EBITDA is going to -- the core EBITDA is going to improve. There is no sort of change in business as you...

The variation on the legacy campuses over the next 4 years is going to be variation driven by the time line for implementing new program replications on those campuses. We're opening 5 new programs in Dallas with 4 new programs in Dallas with the expansion that we put into it. So Dallas is going to grow at a higher rate than putting 1 program on another campus. But so you sort of have to look at how we're distributing the program replications which is over 20 this year across the 33 campuses. And those are really the only variations you're going to see off of sort of the normal run rates that we've given you.

That's right. Raj, but like-for-like program, there's a very high degree of consistency between caps. That's how they perform.

Got it. Got it. And then one last question for me. are you at all concerned that there could be DOE or regulatory changes if the Democrats take the midterms? And especially new school approvals as you move forward?

No. And the reason is, is that new school approvals and the regulations associated that are directly associated with the Department of Education and those regulatory bottles, they are not legislatively approved. They're approved by that department. And so we don't anticipate any changes in what's going on with the department. Now that being said, I just want to be clear, we operated and grew quite well during the Biden administration, right, is that, yes, approvals moved more slowly. There were more regulations on the channel in that time frame. But when you graduate, 70% of your students and 85% get jobs in market within a year, you're operating above the fray of anybody that anybody is keeping their eye on as a bad player. And so regardless of a red or blue administration, our plan operates quite well.

Got it. Thank you so much for answering my questions. I'll take it offline. Again, congratulations on the solid results.

The next question is from Mike Grondahl with Northland Securities.

First question, just peeling the onion back a little bit on San Antonio in Atlanta. It sounds like those are off to good starts. Would you say you spent the marketing dollars you expected to help those? Did you spend a little less? Just kind of curious in this demand environment, how that went.

So I'll give you my perspective, Mike. Yes, we did spend some incremental marketing on those. We feel very good about sort of the initial signals we're getting on enrollment pipeline is quite good. Frankly, a lot of our $8 million even we talked roughly $8 million of growth OpEx was very focused on San Antonio, Atlanta, getting those ready to open well and make sure the expansions even and the program expansions were done on those campuses. So yes, we did spend some more, and we feel good about the initial yield we're getting from that investment.

Got it. And then maybe for Jerome. It seems like the macro backdrop from 2 years ago has gotten a lot better. And I'm talking one sort of 4-year college return versus trade schools and just job demand helping, where do you see the backdrop going from here the next couple of years? Can it continue to get better? Do you just want it to stay where it's at? I don't know, Jerome, I'd love your thoughts there.

I mean it took decades to in a sense, atrophy, the sort of cultural divide between the trades and 4-year education, right, starting in the '80s when high school started drying up their CTE programs and adding more academic subjects because we felt like we were falling behind in terms of academics in America. It took decades for that to atrophy. I don't think that there's a switch that flips overnight that suddenly alternatives to a 4-year education become much more popular for a lot of students than a 4-year education, right? That being said, you are seeing an inflection point where there's significantly more energy being applied towards the awareness that we need a lot of tradespeople. The CEO of AI companies saying, AI is one thing, but I can't build data centers because they don't have electricians and welders, and my data centers are falling behind. Those are the kind of things that are making people say, well, wait a minute, everybody doesn't have to be a sociologist or a teacher, et cetera, being a welder is a great thing to do, being an electrician is a great thing to do. And so we're seeing the movement and we're seeing that in the interest, and we're seeing that in our relationship in Washington as being much more collaborative around, okay, what else can we do to encourage this -- but I don't -- and I do think that that's going to continue because a lot of the changes that made are durable changes about we're going to build here in the United States and what we're not going to build here in the United States, and that means the demand is going to continue to increase. But there's not a light switch that flips and the whole thing moves. We're going to continue to fight, get the message out. And I do think that the environment is going to continue to evolve in this direction.

Got it. And then maybe just lastly, quick. Any updated thoughts on acquisitions?

We've spent a lot of time in the last quarter really sort of getting the engine and ready to execute on this aggressive plan with 3 campuses in the shoot to open up in the next few months, 20-some programs opening in the next few months. That's taken a lot of our attention. And as I've said, I think on other calls, frankly, because of the macro environment, we talked about in the question before this, there isn't that much inventory out there. There aren't that many people in the space who are saying, "I've got to get out of this business." Because they're seeing what we're seeing, which is the ability to navigate more freely, the ability to move more quickly and the ability to attract students in many, many, many major metropolitan areas, and so exiting has not been strong on the minds of many of the people that we see in the space.

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jerome Grant for any closing remarks.

Well, thank you, operator. I appreciate that. I'd like to thank everyone for attending the call today. Now as always, Bruce, Matt and I are available to follow-up questions, and we encourage everyone, as always, to one of our campuses. We had a lot of visits this last quarter from investors, and we really appreciate that interest. So if you're interested, we'd be happy to host you. We look forward to speaking to you at our next quarterly output, which will be in May. So thank you very much, and have a wonderful evening.

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