Verisk Analytics, Inc. (VRSK) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
June 1, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Andrew Nicholas
analystHello and good morning. My name is Andrew Nicholas, and I'm the research analyst covering information services, consulting and HR technology sectors here at William Blair. Before getting started, I'm required to inform you that for a complete list of research disclosures or potential conflicts of interest, please visit our website at williamblair.com. With that out of the way, I am very pleased to welcome Verisk's CEO, Scott Stephenson, to the 41st Annual William Blair Growth Stock Conference. Thank you very much for joining us this morning, Scott.
Scott Stephenson
executiveMy pleasure, Andrew. Good to see you.
Andrew Nicholas
analystIt's been -- we were just talking, it's been a year now since the start of the pandemic, maybe a little bit more. So I thought a good place to start would be to just walk us through how successfully your business navigated the past 12-plus months in your view, and then maybe speak to some of the major learnings or takeaways over that time frame, whether it's in terms of new product opportunities, areas of fluctuating customer demand or even on the cost side, where you think is most important to the go-forward story?
Scott Stephenson
executiveYes. Well, there's quite a bit in that. I'll start here, the most important thing to us as we moved into the pandemic was to keep our people safe. And I feel very good about what has happened in the course of the pandemic. And we are not done with the pandemic. And we have hundreds of colleagues in India, and we are on high alert in terms of their well-being. I believe that our community in India is doing well relative to the conditions on the ground. But still, we are concerned, and we're active in securing the well-being of our people. That was our first priority, followed very closely by a second very high priority, which was to maintain continuity of service to our customers. And I was pleased, although not surprised, to see that we maintained full continuity. There were literally no interruptions. And not only that, but actually, much of what we intended in terms of progress and development in 2020 did occur. Our technical infrastructure continued to strengthen. And we found that though we were obviously impacted in terms of our ability to be with our customers face-to-face, actually the number of touch points with our customers went up in the course of 2020 and remains at a very high level in 2021. One of the things I was watching for was, even if there was an increase in the number of touch points, was there any loss of intimacy? My practice is to talk to somewhere between 30 and 40 of the CEOs of our leading customers every year. Those meetings continue to apace. And actually, some of the deepest conversations I've ever had with our customer CEOs occurred over the last 12 to 18 months. I think one of the reasons is that every company -- almost every company is trying to become a better digital version of itself. And in the verticals that we serve, CEOs are very persuaded of that. And so a company like Verisk presents as an unusual partner because we're actually helping them with the movement towards them harnessing data and analytics to make their businesses work better. And so I found that there was, if anything, even more interest in spending time with us and talking about the relationships. And I'm just really pleased that our customers clearly see us as a unique partner to help them as they go forward, and that's so important for us. In terms of things that we learned in the pandemic, one was actually that we can relate and be distant, although there are limits to that. And inside of our own company, we know that as things move forward, we will rotate back into our offices, make much more use of them than we have during the pandemic. I think another implication is that our customers felt very supported with anything that we did for them that helped them to relate to their customers in -- at distance. And so tools like ClaimXperience just made a very big difference for our customers in the moment. And I would say a third thing that is out there is I think the moment showed the inherent flexibility of our cost structure. Most of our cost structure is people. And between the natural governor on our compensation, which is related to the way that incentive compensation is structured, and the ability to, in the moment, dial down the rate at which we're adding people to our organization. At the intersection of those 2 things, the inherent flexibility of our cost structure was shown. And then one thing that has always been true of our business I think also was demonstrated in the moment, and that is that those parts of our business which are founded on a subscription revenue basis are very durable, very resilient. And those parts of our business which are more transaction-based, which can include services that we provide to our customers, are inherently more able to be dialed up or down by our customers. And when they're feeling pressure in their businesses, as they did in the pandemic moment, they may choose to dial them down for a little while. And we -- there will always be a degree of service inside of our -- inside of what it is we do for our customers. But we want it to be minimal. And I think the pandemic moment really, certainly, reinforced for me the importance of making sure that we have it in the right place inside of our business model.
Andrew Nicholas
analystSure. Sure. That's really helpful answer and thorough, thank you very much. So kind of that as context, I was maybe hoping to move into some of the major growth drivers within the Insurance business, first and foremost, maybe starting with Life Insurance, which you spent some time on I think during your first quarter earnings call. So I was hoping you could kind of walk us through what you're doing with the FAST business you acquired, I think it was at the end of 2019, the major kind of product opportunities for that business within that market? And then maybe -- and I apologize for the multipart question, but maybe some feel for how your offering compares to other competitors in this space to the extent there are kind of sizable alternatives?
Scott Stephenson
executiveSure. Andrew, I want to respond to that question by just putting out a bit of context first because actually, the context I think will help explain anything I say about any part of our business. So the context here is that at Verisk, we run a system. And our system has 5 steps inside of it. The first step is we look to create proprietary content in industry verticals. The second step is we look to turn that proprietary content into industry standard solutions, which has 2 benefits. One is if the solution is truly industry standard, that means it is relevant for everybody in the market, which inherently is supportive of growth. And the other thing is when it's industry standard, it has the effect that you make it once and you sell it many times, and it's very constructive where margins are concerned. The third step, and this relates to what we were just talking about in the pandemic moment, is to layer in a degree of services. And the reason we do that is to make sure that our customers are delighted with our industry-standard solutions and also to help them find their opportunities to differentiate themselves relative to their competitors, even as they're using an industry-standard solution that we're providing to everybody. It's a very important part of our business model, even though we don't want it to be a high fraction of our revenues. The fourth step is to -- around that content, that deeply analyzed content to build software solutions, which has 2 effects. One is the software carries with it value in and of itself and it also has a cementing effect. It builds us into the customers' workflows. And therefore, we tend to be just that much more integrated, that much more recurrent, et cetera. And then the fifth and final step, based on those first 4 steps, is to achieve greater scale in the vertical which keeps the flywheel turning, builds deeper relationships, puts us in a position to achieve the next unique data set and just run the cycle again and again. So almost anything that we can talk about inside of our business is in the context of that being our system. That is our system. That is the system that produced 20% returns on average over the course of the prior decade. And actually, even a decade before that when we were private, we produced actually somewhat even better results. That's our system. That's what we're doing at Verisk. So I wanted to lay out that context to say that when we take FAST as a part of the insurance ecosystem, in a sense, what FAST allowed us to do was to jump to stage 4 right away because FAST shows up as digital workflow, basically, helping insurance companies to manage the core processes of issuing policies and pricing those policies, et cetera. FAST is a very distinctive offering inside of the space. It is clearly the best and the newest technology. That was one of the things that attracted us to it. And when you look at things like Gartner Magic Quadrant, FAST is the most up into the right of all the solutions. So fundamentally, there's something about the platform which is very different. Why are we interested in life insurance? Well, for 2 reasons. One is quite a few of our customers, but I would say, especially globally, tend to cross over from P&C also into the lifelines. There are some in the United States. Actually, you see that style more in the rest of the world. And so -- and because of the inherent reproducibility of software solutions, we believe that this is really supportive of our trying to be effective globally. So the overlap with our customers. And secondly, there are -- we do have content at Verisk, which is complementary in trying to understand the dynamics of what's going on in the life insurance world. Those who follow us know, we already modeled pandemics. And so understanding the effect on human health is one part of having a good model of what's going on in the life insurance world. So we like its relationship to where we already start. We like the extensibility of the model, and it starts out as a very strong implementation.
Andrew Nicholas
analystThat's helpful. Is there anything you can say about kind of the competitive dynamics in that market? Or I know you said that technology, you're kind of a leading player there. Are there other players of size that you're kind of competing with? Or is it more of a green space on the technology, the software front?
Scott Stephenson
executiveWell, there are legacy providers. And so when you look at most of the major players, they would have some form of software that they're already making use of. But this is one of those moments you see it in verticals from time to time where there's kind of a complete overhaul. And so it's very productive to be positioned with the best solution when all the customers are basically saying where we want to be.
Andrew Nicholas
analystGreat. That's helpful. Another area of growth that I wanted to touch on was telematics. It seems to be growing quite rapidly in terms of use, particularly in auto insurance underwriting. I know you have the Verisk data exchange to help support customers in that particular line of business. Can you tell us a bit more about that offering, the value prop, and again, how Verisk is kind of positioned to capitalize on growth there?
Scott Stephenson
executiveYes. So there's a couple of things that you as an insurance company, can do if you're hooked up to a platform that provides you based on a very deep data set a lot of signals about the usage of automobiles. One is you can use that if you want to move in the direction of usage-based insurance, which is still actually a pretty small fraction of the marketplace. So I view this as relevant for our customers today and the promise of a much larger commercial opportunity tomorrow. So our customers are very happy that they can work with us in order to try to mine the signals that come out of this very large data set, which accumulates literally second by second as people make use of their vehicles. And so it's kind of a coming attraction for a lot of insurance companies. Those that have these programs today for most of them, these are more sort of experimental at the moment, but there's a very strong sense of the meaning and the importance of these. And so we want to be right there as the leading partner with our customers as they move into that. And then the other applicability of the data set is to be very agile in responding to claim events. And that is also a big part of what we do in the insurance vertical. So we see this as a very long-term development. It only ripens as we go. Every OEM like Ford that comes into the data exchange, it just becomes that much richer and therefore, the value proposition for the customer just gets that much better. And it is a business which is transaction-priced. And so what I expect is that we will -- as transaction volumes mount that we will enjoy the energy that, that puts into our revenue stream on that side of the business. What tends to become typical with the passage of time is when something has emerged far enough as a new solution for customers, we then seem to get into discussions with them about actually them wanting to convert it into a subscription. And so that's -- but that's act 2. And I think that, that will be down the road always. But for us today, it is helping keeping our customers at the leading edge of new practice in the insurance vertical. And it's also embedded in everything that we do to support auto underwriters. It's just -- it's that basic. So it's very -- it keeps the flywheel of our relationship with insurers who underwrite auto policies. It keeps the flywheel turning.
Andrew Nicholas
analystYes. It certainly seems to fit in with the kind of playbook that you outlined at the start with respect to different kind of growth opportunities. It's contributory, highly embedded at a certain point. So that all makes sense. Outside of life insurance and telematics, I mean what are some other major opportunities for the insurance business, specifically over the next 3 to 5 years? I know you've made some headway, although I believe small, in cybersecurity of late. So maybe that's one to call out. But I wanted to give you more of an open-ended opportunity to speak to growth drivers that you're excited about in that segment. And then maybe kind of rank some of these in terms of maybe the size of the opportunity and where the business sits today.
Scott Stephenson
executiveYes. Well, kind of a perspective on what we do is our revenues in the insurance vertical are very broadly based. They're not highly concentrated into one solution set. And so in order to be the high-organic grower that we have been and intend to be in the future, we actually need a lot of things to grow. And if you go back to kind of that -- the playbook that I was talking about before, as we start with proprietary data but as we move through sort of the creation of the industry-standard solution, layering in some services, amplifying with software, the same solution presents differently to our customers. And so it's not kind of like the legacy stuff over here is sort of unexciting and then over here, you've got the new stuff, and that carries all the growth. It's more that everything grows. The existing solution sets themselves with time present differently and themselves generate growth. So the frame here is, how do we make everything grow? And one sort of point behind all of that would simply be that our business is supported by a very fundamental tailwind, and that is every one of our customers wants to become the better data analytic digital version of itself. And so that's fundamentally what is behind what's -- and that trend is hardly complete and is not going away. That is -- that will be good business for decades. But in any event, now back to some of the things that are going on underneath the covers. You mentioned cyber. Actually, I would broaden that and say insurance companies fundamentally want to find more things to insure. That's how they grow. And one category is the intangibles. So it's not just cyber, it's also business interruption, its reputation, it's casualty as kind of a harder thing to get your -- it's not as tangible as a building being damaged. And so all of these categories, we have got some really leading-edge solutions. They start out small today, but these are kind of long-term optional. I would also say that we have a lot to offer insurance companies as they try to deal more with issues of sustainability and resilience. They themselves are being asked more and more questions by the regulators that they report to around the world, how are you doing. And so in the parts of our business where we model prospective risks for our customers, these models become very basic to what our customers are doing. And so some of the models with respect to extreme events, which can be both physical, but also things like pandemic, very strong, doing very well in the market. We already touched on Life which is a very underdeveloped. It's interesting that the life insurance industry globally is bigger than the P&C industry, but actually the state of development of the data analytics is lower. So we have a lot of expectations for the Life segment.
Andrew Nicholas
analystGreat. Maybe switching gears just a little bit because I'm looking at the time, I want to make sure we get everything in. In the past, you've talked about the makeup of the Energy and Specialized Markets segment, that's changing over time to be more diversified and perhaps a little bit less relying on the oil and gas end market. Can you kind of remind us the current mix of the segment? What it looks like? And what kind of trends you're seeing outside of oil and gas? And how that all kind of evolves and kind of grows into ESG considerations, which I think you briefly touched on. But I'm interested to see how that all kind of combines to be a value-additive relationship with your clients.
Scott Stephenson
executiveYes. Great. Yes. So first of all, just kind of the layout of what we do in the business today. So several of the solutions that we provide fly under the banner of WoodMac. WoodMac is about 2/3 of what we do in the Energy and Specialized segment. And WoodMac has moved to a position now where upstream oil and gas is about half of what we do there today. So the intersection of those 2 things, about 1/3 of what we do is exposed to upstream oil and gas. The parts of the -- and by the way, it's interesting. Even as we have watched some of the major global integrated kind of response of the environment they're in, over the -- even over the last week or 2, one of the things that you see them putting out there very matter-of-factly, and this is a point of view with which we agree, is that the world for a considerable period of time will continue to consume hydrocarbons and actually will forever because they're not -- hydrocarbons are not used only to generate power, they're used in other ways as well. And so the point here is, if it's -- we look at this a lot. What is the profile of the hydrocarbon part of the energy ecosystem? And the view is, it's going to remain a very important part of the mix for a considerable period of time. But beyond that then, the other parts of the business, so those that relate to the renewables, those that relate to metals and mining, are actually growing very nicely. And some people would tell you that the foundation of the energy ecosystem in the future is actually found in mines because it is -- for example, the rare earths that are so important to battery technology, and battery technology is so important to the greater electrification of the energy ecosystem. So all of that is basically in the mix. And I would go back to the framing that I provided upfront. So what we're doing in the energy ecosystem has achieved a lot at that fourth stage, which is the software platforming. So you've heard us talk about the Lens platform. It is the case that the software itself carries value not just as the sticky integration point with our customers, but it itself adds value, and we're seeing that. We're seeing that in the way customers are coming to it. So that's kind of a rounded view of what we're doing across that space.
Andrew Nicholas
analystHas growing interest in ESG from kind of all the stakeholders impacted demand for that segment at all? And maybe that's a segue into also asking about Verisk specifically in terms of the things that you're doing on the ESG front. I got a question on that on the webcast as well, so I figured I'd loop that in.
Scott Stephenson
executiveYes. Sure. There's a definite -- it's kind of a new day with integrated oil and gas companies. These considerations are now front and center. In addition to all of the point solutions that we provide into the ecosystem today, we also have created a perspective which is specifically around emissions, the emissions of assets in the space. And that is very highly relevant for our customers in the space right now. I would say it's still early days. Any individual player believing that their response to ESG considerations includes the kind of model that we run at Verisk where it's -- we come up with industry-standard solutions. But in reality, the ability to talk about your emissions profile relative to somebody else's is meaningful. And so that is something where I think our customers -- I don't think, I know they find what we're able to do really, really helpful. And where Verisk is concerned, we have actually emphasized in what we're doing in the reporting segment. We've really emphasized things like the renewables, the energy transition, metals and mining because these are things which are kind of the leading edge of where the space is going to. So we have -- differentially in the segment, we have put our money into the platforms, the software platforms and into these other segments. But we still expect good performance from the basic oil and gas space.
Andrew Nicholas
analystSure. That's helpful. Looking I only have a couple of minutes left, I want to hit on Financial Services really quickly. Just a very basic question, which is what makes you most optimistic about the long-term opportunity in that business? Obviously, we feel a bit of questions or quite a bit of questions on this one both in terms of kind of its performance within the portfolio and its permanence within the portfolio. So any color in either of those places would be helpful before I'll try to squeeze in one more and kind of wrap up.
Scott Stephenson
executiveSure. Yes. So maybe just a little bit of context here. So first of all, I'm not happy with the performance of the Financial Services vertical. I believe where we are is temporary, and we will move through this quickly, but not happy with the performance. The strength of that business, if I go back to sort of my 5 stages of our method, our system at Verisk, from 2012 to 2017, Financial Services grew faster than the Insurance vertical for 5 straight years. And what it had done up until that point was to move through the first 3 stages of the 5 stages that I talked about with an asterisk. So phenomenal data assets, and that is the fundamental thing which makes this very unique, very special. Industry-standard solutions, that's where the asterisk goes, and I'll come back to that, and then a degree of service for the customers. What we do in Financial Services actually gets the highest Net Promoter Scores of anything we do across Verisk. It's that well regarded by our customers. I know we're about out of time. The asterisk on industry-standard solutions is as we built new solutions in the segment, they actually tended to show up as bespoke. They tended to show up more as a single-tenant than multi-tenant. And the goal was to convert -- has been to convert them into multi-tenant. So beginning in 2018 and for 2018, 2019, what we intended was to actually dial back that which was bespoke, dial up that which was more platforms, basically step 3 to step 4. And we always knew that. As we dialed back that, which was bespoke, we were kind of making the same version that a traditional software ILC, MLC model makes when it goes to sat. We knew that there was -- that in essence, you're softening your revenue streams, but we felt it was a good trade to get to something that was more sustainable. So I really expected that 2020 would be kind of the coming out party for the new VFS. And it is the case that VFS has had more transaction, less subscription than the other 2 verticals. And so we have simply felt that as the customers responded to their own demand factors. But to summarize here, the very close look we're taking right now is, will it provide the -- and we're looking at all the signals that come out of the -- what's happening as we turn from the pandemic, will it provide upper single-digit or better rates of organic revenue growth? Can it do that at low levels of capital consumption? And we have to ask the question, this set of assets which have not achieved the scale in the vertical that we had thought maybe they could when we started the journey many years ago, would they be more productive in a different context? And to answer that question, that's one of the reasons why I've asked Lee to get so deeply involved with what's going on with the business. But asking and answering those 3 questions is we do not have a higher priority at the company right now.
Andrew Nicholas
analystAll right. Great. That's all we have time for today. Thanks, Scott, for all of the thoughtful responses. And thank you to everyone for joining us today. Have a great rest of the day.
Scott Stephenson
executiveThanks, Andrew.
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