Viaplay Group AB (publ) (VPLAYB) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 22, 2020

Nasdaq Stockholm SE Communication Services Media earnings 56 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for holding. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand the call over to your host, Matthew Hooper, NENT Group Chief Corporate Affairs Officer.

Matthew Hooper

executive
#2

Thank you very much, operator, and welcome, everybody, to NENT Group's Q2 2020 Results Conference Call. We hope you're all well and managing always through these extraordinary times in which we're living. I'm joined here on the call today by our President and CEO; Anders Jensen; our CFO, Gabriel Catrina; as well as Stefan Lycke and [ Joel Gadin ] from our Investor Relations team. Presentation materials are available on our website as usual, and a Q&A session will follow Anders and Gabriel's comments. I will now hand the call over to Anders.

Anders Jensen

executive
#3

Thank you very much, Matthew, and a very good morning, everybody. Q2 was indeed an unprecedented quarter in many ways. Not only had we been dealing with the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic, but we have also closed the merger between Viasat Consumer and Canal Digital, launched Viaplay in Iceland, announced the expansion of Viaplay to the Baltics, teamed up with our partner Elisa in Finland, raised our Viaplay subscriber intake target again, delivered on our cost-cutting program, partially refinanced ourselves and launched an updated reporting structure that better reflects our streaming strategy. So all in all, a fairly busy quarter. I will go through many of these things in more detail in a few minutes. But before I do that, I would like to draw your attention to 3 key takeaways from this quarter. Firstly, we are well set up to succeed. The transformation program and the new operating model that we implemented during the second half of last year have clearly helped us to become faster, more accurate and more efficient, so that we can make sure that we capture the full potential of Viaplay while at the same time generating significant savings in other areas. This has been a major factor in enabling us to deal with the challenges of COVID-19. We have made a number of quick and, dare I say, brave decisions that will ensure that we emerge from this crisis even stronger and better positioned than before. Secondly, the investments we have made in Viaplay are yielding results. We have just delivered another quarter of exceptional subscriber intake. While some of this growth is undoubtedly related to the staying-home effects of COVID-19, we have continued to take market share. And the record high usage and low churn levels again demonstrates how much our customers love Viaplay. And thirdly, we are ready to expand Viaplay internationally. Our platform can compete with the best in the industry, and the successful launch in Iceland shows that we're ready to take this to the next level. We're now preparing to launch in the Baltics at the beginning of next year, and our vision is now to scale Viaplay even further. We could launch Viaplay in over 15 markets in the next 5 or more years. Now let me turn to what we are seeing across our business, and let me start with Viaplay, which added over 200,000 subscribers in the last 3 months and over 600,000 in the last 12 months. We've ended the quarter with over 2.7 million paying Viaplay customers. The growth came from our stand-alone rather than bundled base and was driven by healthy intake of both films and series as well as sports subscribers. Viaplay revenues were down 4% as temporarily lower sports package prices more than offset the subscriber growth and higher transaction revenues in the Viaplay store. Sports packages are now back at normal levels again, and streamed minutes of sports viewing were up 10% year-on-year in June and are now up 116% so far in July. We have raised our subscriber intake for the full year twice this year from 250,000 to 400,000 and then from 400,000 to 600,000, which would represent more than 25% growth in the Viaplay subscriber base in 2020. This full year target may seem conservative given the performance so far this year, but it's hard to judge how much of the growth in H1 is a pull-forward effect as a result of COVID-19, and we're also mindful of the upcoming Disney+ launch in mid-September. We don't expect increased churn levels, but more noise in the market will most likely impact sales at least temporarily. The number of streamed minutes was up 42% in Q2 when excluding sports. Usage is one of the most important metrics we have, and it's highly correlated with the churn rates. We premiered 8 new Viaplay Originals in the quarter, and the total viewing of our Viaplay Originals was up 41%. This was driven by the success of season 2 of The Lawyer and the very popular premiers of The Machinery and Big Lars. This is fantastic to see as our locally relevant originals are a key differentiator for us. 3 of the top 5 shows in Viaplay in Q2 were original productions. When measured by a number of unique users and 4 out of the top 7. This shows that the interest is broad-based and that originals are a great way to attract new customers to the platform. We also saw a huge increase in the viewing of season 1 of The Lawyer when we premiered season 2, which shows that the value of our originals library will only go up as we launch new seasons of successful series. Then moving on to other subscription revenues, which were down 34%. This reflected the deconsolidation of Viasat Consumer from the beginning of May as well as the temporary reductions in sports package prices by third-party networks that distribute our sports channels. The postponement or cancellation of sports events also reduced our sports rights sublicensing revenues. Sports package prices are now back to normal levels, and revenues from sublicensing are resuming. So revenue should, excluding the impact of the deconsolidation, follow more regular trends moving forward. And then moving on to our advertising business. Revenues were down 30%, which was in line with our expectations and reflected a broad-based drop in advertising demand due to COVID-19. All markets were down, both for TV and radio, with betting and gambling revenues, in particular, taking a beating when live sports were off air. We have now seen a substantial improvement in July, with revenues expected to be up slightly. August is looking okay so far, but September is the big sales month in Q3, so we will have to wait and see how bookings develop. Based on where we stand today, what we know and what we hear, we expect total advertising sales to be down substantially less in Q3 than in Q2. And then moving on to Studios. We have resumed the process to sell the noncore part of our Studios business. It is proceeding according to plan, and we have ongoing discussions with a number of interested parties, which is why we have now reported these companies as discontinued operations. The core part of our Studios business is scripted content production and distribution, which has now been integrated with the rest of the business, as it primarily provides scripted drama content for Viaplay and will be key to ensuring the continued quality of our regional production pipeline into 2021 and beyond. All scripted productions has been postponed to the second half of this year or first half of next year due to COVID-19. However, no scripted shows have been canceled, and the underlying demand for high-quality scripted programming remains very healthy. We still expect to premier approximately 30 Viaplay originals this year and up to 40 in 2021, provided that the gradual return to full production capacity continues. The final piece to discuss is Allente. The merger between Viasat Consumer and Canal Digital was completed in May, and we, therefore, deconsolidated Viasat Consumer from the beginning of the same month. This transaction has great strategic value for us for several reasons. Firstly, this will generate substantial cost synergies that will allow for the combined company to generate higher profits despite the structural headwinds that satellite TV is facing. Secondly, we will now be able to penetrate the Canal Digital with both Viaplay and our V-channels. And thirdly, this deal is an important foundation for us to be able to scale up our Norwegian presence, not least following the investments that we made in the skiing and the Premier League rights for years to come. And this brings me to my final point, which is expansion. The COVID-19 crisis has made it clearer than ever just how relevant our strategy to focus on streaming is. We have continued to take market share, and our content offering is stronger than ever, while our technology platform has again proven to be highly adaptable and resilient and even enabling us to launch in Iceland when in full lockdown. And please remember that from a tech point of view, launching in a small market is no different from launching in a bigger market. Scale is a great enabler to drive value, and the best way to drive scale is to offer the best user experience. The increased consumer engagement drives down churn and drives up customer lifetime value. We have, for a long time, stated that our focus is on Viaplay subscriber growth and not on maximizing short-term profits. The material margin expansion opportunity in the Nordic markets is clear and once we achieve critical mass and start to focus on value rather than volume. Innovative deals like the one we have recently struck with Elisa in Finland as well as the potential for Viaplay in the Allente joint venture will only get us to this point even more quickly. The very healthy trend we have in the Nordics, together with the successful launch in Iceland, make us confident that Viaplay is ready to travel to new markets, which is why we announced our intention to enter all 3 Baltic markets in Q1 next year. And my vision is that we will enter more than 15 markets in the next 5 or so years, with new launches being announced on a regular basis. Our content partners are very supportive, and we are in a number of very interesting discussions. And we know that our originals travel well given the international distribution deals that we have done historically. Not all launches will be the same as the profile of the markets that we're looking at are very different. It would be everything from full-blown stand-alone launches with or without sports to niche Nordic noir products offered alongside local partner services. We've created many innovative partnerships over the past year, including the most recent one with Elisa in Finland, and we are constantly open to opportunities to work with partners to accelerate growth, contribute investment and provide valuable local insight. This is the time to invest in the significant market opportunity that we see with Viaplay. The launches may well reduce overall group profitability short term, but they will also drive considerable long-term profitability, as the periods to breakeven will be relatively short and the margins beyond that point will be relatively high. And as I think you know by now, we are very disciplined when it comes to managing our cost and exposure levels. So each market we consider must prove -- provide a unique value opportunity, or we will pass on that market. I will now hand over to Gabriel for his comments on our financial performance and position. Over to you, Gabriel.

Gabriel Catrina

executive
#4

Thank you, Anders, and good morning, everyone. Let me start by quickly running through our Q2 performance. Organic growth in the quarter was down 13%, which reflected the impact of COVID-19 on advertising, subscription and Studios sales. Viaplay accounted for over 30% of group sales in the period despite the material impact of the temporarily lower sport package prices. The underlying performance continues to be very positive. Operating profits before items -- before associated company income and items affecting comparability were down from SEK 432 million to SEK 156 million, which reflected the lower advertising and sports subscription revenues, the deconsolidation of the Viasat Consumer business in May and the U.S. dollar FX headwind in the quarter. We have some cost benefits from the postponed or canceled sports events in the quarter, but also an FX headwind due to the depreciation of the Norwegian kroner. Viasat Consumer reported an EBIT of SEK 33 million in April compared to SEK 125 million for the whole of Q2 last year. This reflected the consolidation of the business in May. And after May, Allente revenues were adversely affected by the depreciation of the Norwegian kroner, the fall in subscriber numbers as well as the temporary reduction in sport package prices. Prices now are back to normal, and Allente's EBITDA before items affecting comparability amounted to SEK 166 million for the 2-month period after the consolidation of the business. Our associated company income from Allente amounted to SEK 51 million for the remaining 2 months of the quarter and included the net impact of Allente's SEK 31 million of restructuring costs in the quarter. The purchase price allocation has yet to be finalized, and no amortization was, therefore, made this quarter. But we do expect amortization charges of approximately SEK 350 million to SEK 450 million per year from May 2020 onwards, which will be taken from Q3 and forward. The majority of these charges will be adjusted for tax in the reporting, so have less impact on Allente's net income. The focus now for Allente is on delivering the SEK 650 million of cost synergies and the upselling of Viaplay to the Canal Digital subscriber base. These synergies will have full effect in 2022, and we do expect approximately SEK 100 million already this year and SEK 400 million of synergies next year. The integration and the restructuring costs are still expected to be approximately SEK 900 million and will be incurred during 2020 and 2021. Approximately SEK 250 million will be taken this year and the rest will be taken next year. Following the end of the quarter, Allente has secured a SEK 2.5 billion bank funding, which will be drawn down in Q4 this year, with the intention of paying down an extraordinary dividend to Allente's shareholders. Allente then plans to pay out quarterly dividends moving forward. The remaining costs for the 2019/2020 football seasons that were restarted in Q2 have been taken, including the costs for the Premier League, Bundesliga and Superliga. Sports events that did not restart until after the end of the quarter, such as the UEFA Champions League and Formula 1, will be taken from Q3. Overall, we expect Q3 sports cost to be approximately SEK 250 million higher than normal due to the movement of cost between the quarters. We received compensation for some sports events that were canceled, such as the ice hockey world championships, some of the European football leagues and the British Open golf. But based on the current situation, with the vast majority of events resuming, we do not expect any further material compensation from sports rights owners. The combined savings from the 2019 and 2020 efficiency programs amounted to SEK 300 million in the quarter. And the benefits from government actions, such as furloughing of staff and lower social expenses, amounted to approximately SEK 15 million. In addition and in line with government initiatives, we have been able to defer tax payments into 2021. Items affecting comparability amounted to SEK 2.4 billion and comprised the noncash and tax-free capital gain on the merger of Viasat Consumer and Canal Digital due to the difference in the book value of Viasat Consumer and the fair value placed on the business in the transaction. If you look at the cash flow. Cash flow from operations was down, but our net operating cash flow was up following a positive SEK 673 million change in working capital. This reflected normal seasonal patterns and continued investments in Viaplay Originals but with no significant sports rights payments, lower studio production volumes and the deferral of approximately SEK 400 million of tax payments into 2021. If we move now to the outlook. It is clear that the impact of the COVID-19 on the business will be material this year, which is why we withdrew our 2020 outlook for profitable growth when we announced our Q1 results in April. It is still very difficult to provide any clear outlook, as that depends on different factors, including the extent and duration of the crisis as well as the measures implemented by governments around the world in general and in the Nordics, in particular, as well as actions that we could take to mitigate any further impacts. Having said that, our ambition is to be as transparent as possible, so I want to try to help you with some of the line items where we have some visibility. We still expect full year savings from the 2019 transformation program of approximately SEK 200 million this year, of which we deliver approximately SEK 50 million in Q2 and SEK 100 million for the year-to-date. We also continue to expect to generate additional SEK 700 million of savings in 2020 from our COVID-19 initiative, of which we have delivered approximately SEK 250 million in Q2 and SEK 285 million for the year-to-date. In total then from both these programs, we have delivered approximately SEK 300 million of sales in Q2 and SEK 385 million for the year-to-date. The transactional headwinds from the U.S. dollar are now expected to be approximately SEK 160 million for the year. We have absorbed approximately SEK 20 million of this impact in Q2 and approximately SEK 80 million for the year-to-date. We also expect an FX transaction headwind of approximately SEK 75 million for the full year due to the depreciation of the Norwegian kroner, of which we absorbed approximately SEK 25 million in Q2. For the full year, we expect working capital development that is broadly in line with 2019, so that means between minus SEK 750 million and minus SEK 800 million. This is driven by prepayments for new and prolonged sports rights that we have secured during H1, such as the Premier League that was paid in Q1 and the UEFA rights that will be paid in Q3 as well as further planned investments in Viaplay Originals and the positive impact of deferred tax and other payments into next year. The total amount of deferred tax payments for the full year is expected to be SEK 470 million. Finally, a few words on our funding profile. We have recently successfully raised SEK 800 million in the capital markets by issuing 3- and 5-year unsecured bonds. The issue, which was oversubscribed, comprised SEK 150 million maturing in June 2023 and SEK 650 million maturing in June 2025. This helps us now to substantially lengthen the average maturity of our borrowings, as the proceeds are being used to reduce shorter-term debt. We now have SEK 3.1 billion of outstanding corporate bonds, of which SEK 500 million expire in October 2020 and with no further bond repayments until May 2022. We also have SEK 1.6 billion of short-term commercial paper. We ended the quarter with SEK 1.5 billion of unrestricted cash; a SEK 4 billion revolving credit facility maturing in August 2023, of which SEK 500 million is currently drawn; and an equivalent of SEK 280 million in undrawn overdrafts. Our net debt ended the quarter at SEK 4.2 billion, which is 2.6x our trailing 12-month EBITDA before items affecting comparability. Financial net debt totaled SEK 3.7 billion. Allente ended the quarter with a net cash position of SEK 751 million, and this new SEK 2.5 billion loan will enable Allente to pay the extraordinary dividend to NENT and Telenor in Q4. We will use this dividend to reduce our gearing levels and fund the expansion of Viaplay. In summary, we have a well-balanced capital structure. We have taken a wide range of quick and effective measures to counteract the effects of COVID-19, and we will continue to monitor the development of the pandemic and adapt the business accordingly. We have made considerable progress in line with our streaming-focused strategy, and the outlook is now improving. That's it for my comments. And so now back to you, Anders.

Anders Jensen

executive
#5

Thank you very much, Gabriel. Q2 was indeed a very eventful and challenging quarter with many moving parts. But the quick and decisive actions that we took are paying off, and we see clear improvements in the market now. The addition of more than 200,000 new Viaplay subscribers, the closing of the Viasat Consumer merger to create Allente, the partnership with Elisa in Finland and the successful entry into Iceland are just some of the highlights. As stated on the Q1 call that we would come out of this crisis stronger and even better than positioned than ever, and I am more confident of that now. The credit for this goes to the fantastic dedication, focus and the flexibility of our teams during these challenging times. We're now preparing for the expansion of Viaplay to the Baltics while also reviewing further geographic expansion opportunities. My vision for Viaplay is as clear as the considerable opportunity before us. I would like to take this opportunity to thank you all on the call for your interest in NENT and for the support that you have provided during these challenging times. It means a lot to us. That concludes our commentary on the results, and we'll now be more than happy to take your questions. So over to you, operator.

Operator

operator
#6

[Operator Instructions] And the first question comes from Johanna.

Johanna Ahlqvist

analyst
#7

Johanna Ahlqvist from SEB. I have 2 questions, if I may. The first one relates to working capital. If I got you right, Gabriel, you guide for a negative SEK 700 million to SEK 800 million for the full year on working capital in the cash flow. I'm just wondering, does that include the SEK 400 million, SEK 450 million in positive sort of tax gain that you get this year but -- which will be postponed into next year? And then I'm wondering why sort of if we exclude this SEK 400 million positive, why working capital underlying will be more negative now than you expected in Q1? And the second question relates to the Allente joint venture. I'm also -- the question there relates to the extraordinary dividend that I -- that we should expect. And I know that you say that you will increase leverage by SEK 2.5 billion for Allente. I'm just wondering, do you -- we talk about deleveraging, so how much you expect of -- I guess you will receive half of the SEK 2.5 billion. And how much will you use to deleverage? And how much will you sort of pay out as an extraordinary dividend to shareholders? That's my 2 questions.

Gabriel Catrina

executive
#8

Thank you, Johanna. Yes, on the working capital, we have -- yes, the benefit of the tax payment is included in that number. As I mentioned on the outlook, we have the prepayments of the new sports rights that we have secured during H1. And now we have more visibility of those payments that we need to make now in Q3 as well. And then obviously, that is also affected by the continued investments that we have in Viaplay. So that's what is affecting that number. Then when it comes to the extraordinary dividend on the SEK 2.5 billion loan, I think you could expect the majority of that will be paid out to the shareholders in Q4.

Operator

operator
#9

And we will now take our next question from Mikael.

Mikael Laséen

analyst
#10

Mikael Laséen, Carnegie. I've got a couple of questions regarding Viaplay. Can you say something about the development, the subscriber development in June, July during the restart of the football leagues and the resumption of the season?

Anders Jensen

executive
#11

Yes, Mikael. Absolutely. During June and July, we had very low churn during sort of the lockdown in sports, thanks to the price reduction. So the returning customers wasn't that many because of very few had left. So the new -- but the new customers that came in during the quarter, the second quarter, was 22,000 roughly out of the 206,000 of new sports customers. And then the usage has been very high. So I think sports is now back to where it was before the crisis hit hard on the sports sporting event. And now we're seeing sort of gradual back to normal. So we are at higher levels now than we were going into the crisis, both in terms of usage and in terms of paying subscribers on the sports packages. I hope that answers your question or…

Mikael Laséen

analyst
#12

Okay. Great. And can you also say something about development of the subscribers? How you defined it before Q2? The stand-alone subscriptions, not included -- not including third-party and V-channel [ bonding ].

Anders Jensen

executive
#13

The development, is that your question? How the development was on the standalone?

Mikael Laséen

analyst
#14

Yes.

Anders Jensen

executive
#15

Well, if you look in Q2, the numbers, the 186,000 that comes from TM TV series and movies packages and then the 22,000 on the sports packages, they are typically from the stand-alone proposition. So -- and that development has continued strongly into the third quarter. And then we have the addition, of course, of B2B agreements, and we have yet to sort of fully integrate the upside from the Elisa agreement. So the mix will continue to be between B2B and direct-to-consumer. The bundles are outside that number. They are in a fairly steady state.

Mikael Laséen

analyst
#16

Okay. And just a follow-up there. Would be great if you can say something about the Allente upsell potential.

Anders Jensen

executive
#17

Yes. It is one of the major upsides in the whole joint venture above and beyond the cost synergies that we have quantified very specifically. The whole upside of upselling Viaplay is, of course, revenue synergy that we have yet to see the full effects on. And it's still early days but very positive. And there are also some -- also a hard coded requirement in our agreement with Allente on volume. So there is an opportunity both on the stand-alone Viaplay upsell and then there is the bundle up-sell opportunity with the V-channels. Both of them has been, as you probably know, under-penetrated for historic business reasons for many years. So this would give us a significant upside in general, and I would say, in Norway, in particular. And we'll see more of that in the second half of this year and early '21 as well. The integration between the 2, Viasat and Canal Digital, teams are more or less happening according to plan, but there is, of course, a little bit of a delay effect because of the current situation. But there is a significant upside in that, and that will come above and beyond what we see in the current outlook for Viaplay.

Operator

operator
#18

And the next question comes from Martin.

Martin Arnell

analyst
#19

Martin Arnell with DNB Markets. So my first question is on the near-term outlook here in Q3. There's a lot of moving parts here still. And if you could just clarify the sort of timing of the sports rights cost effect, the FX and the cost synergies, so we get a full grip of the cost base in Q3.

Anders Jensen

executive
#20

Thanks, Martin. Gabriel, do you want to take that one?

Gabriel Catrina

executive
#21

Sorry. I had a bad line. Can you please repeat again the question?

Martin Arnell

analyst
#22

Yes. If you could clarify the FX effect that you expect for Q3 and the cost synergies and the incremental sports right cost effect.

Gabriel Catrina

executive
#23

Yes. When it comes to the incremental sports rights effect, that is SEK 250 million additional cost in Q3 that we expect. Then when it comes to the currency, we're still looking at the numbers, so you should try to split the guidance that I gave on equally across the quarters. And then what was the other?

Martin Arnell

analyst
#24

The cost synergies.

Gabriel Catrina

executive
#25

The cost synergies. Yes, those are also evenly distributed over the quarters, both in terms of the transformation program that we did last year and then what we expected the remaining savings from the COVID-19 initiatives.

Martin Arnell

analyst
#26

Okay. Great. And then on the Viaplay outlook and your full year guidance, how is -- can you share some light on the breakdown of Viaplay subs on the Q2 figure and also in your guidance on sub intake?

Anders Jensen

executive
#27

Yes, Martin. I think on Q2, it was -- as we mentioned, the volume came predominantly from the stand-alone base, i.e., not the bundled base. And we took in 186,000 TV series and movies packages and then another 22,000 on sports, despite some of the lockdown on sports for a large part of that quarter. And we expect that kind of split going forward as well with sports gradually increasing during Q3 and Q4. This year has the smallest common denominator probably for the past quarter as was many moving parts, and we still live with many moving parts given that we don't have a period without the major sports leagues. Everything will happen back-to-back more or less. So we have to sort of navigate through that period and how much we can actually get out of it. The underlying most important thing as there is a very positive beat right now for both sports and TV series and movies packages. And I would dare to say that our 600,000 outlook for the full year is on the conservative side given the momentum that we see. But I think it's also -- given the many moving parts and this COVID-19 situation that none of us has the manual for, it's good to be a bit prudent. But I think there is good opportunity for us to beat that and hopefully pass the 3 million outlook for the year, but it's too soon to say. We want to continuously invest in Viaplay, speed up the production for the originals, if we can. Our capital situation, including getting the dividend from Allente, which will allow us to both deleverage NENT and then continue to invest in Viaplay, gives me good confidence that, that sort of the underlying very positive beat will continue also going into '21 with the launch in the Baltics. So the kind of split that you had seen in Q2 will probably continue. And then we have a new addition with the Elisa agreement, which is a hybrid between a B2B and a partnership, if you will. So many moving parts, but very positive underlying. Hopefully, that answers your question. Otherwise, happy to elaborate further.

Martin Arnell

analyst
#28

That's great, Anders. And just out of curiosity, on the sports events, mainly the big football games, how -- I mean we don't know when the audiences will be allowed back into the stadiums. And how do you think this impacts the interest in the sport product? Are you synergized by the figures so far?

Anders Jensen

executive
#29

No. It's a very good question. And again, there is no real manual for this extraordinary situation. I think when we -- the first league that we had back on air was with the German Bundesliga, and there was a lot of comments how football without an audience is -- it's not exactly what you want in terms of viewing experience. But then there is now technology. You can put some sound on it if you want to. And we've seen very, very healthy uptake in the viewing numbers. And now people are getting used to. The comments of any negativism has more or less disappeared completely, so I think we adopt quite dramatically. And the more than 100% increase in viewing in July has been quite extraordinary. There will be returns. We see now in Denmark that they will be doing trials on a gradual return to audiences with a limited number being admitted into some of the arenas. We hear the same discussions going on in the U.K. regarding the Premier League. And I think Champions League, when the new season kicks in after the sort of the playout in Portugal in August, we'll probably try to find some sort of solution as well. But I think the smallest sort of -- the common denominator here is that we are very adaptable. And the love of football has not decreased. If anything, it has increased. So -- and hopefully, I think at some point, we will be back with the full stadiums of screaming fans. So we will get through this, and the value will just increase. That's my -- the smartest I can say right now. It's very difficult to say. But we are very adaptable.

Martin Arnell

analyst
#30

Okay. And just 2 final questions. Firstly, on advertising. You mentioned it was up in July. How should we think about the full Q3 outlook? Could you be up for the full quarter year-over-year? Or is July temporary? And also, on the full second half of the year, what you expect?

Anders Jensen

executive
#31

What we know right now is that July is slightly up. August is looking promising, so I wouldn't rule out that being up as well. But the big month is September, and for that, we have yet to see the bookings. What we hear though, after obviously engaging with as many of our larger clients and media agencies as possible, is that there is a build-up demand. There is earmarked money ready to be spent assuming that the pandemic situations continues to gradually improve. We are far from out of the woods. But what I take with me from everything that I hear is the willingness to invest out of the crisis, and that will impact. Whether that is significant enough to take us into growth in Q3 and for the second half, it's too soon to say. But indications are positive in general in the advertising -- the 3 advertising markets that we have and, I would say, in Sweden, in particular.

Martin Arnell

analyst
#32

Perfect. And finally, on the Viaplay vision. I'm just trying to understand how much of this is sort of vision versus actual planning. How far have you come in these expansion plans?

Anders Jensen

executive
#33

Well, it is a vision, and it's very much something that I drive as I see the significant opportunity with the platform that we have created because it is very much a tech game to be able to scale cost efficiently. And we have taken the build-up cost for expansion on the tech side by being who we are in the Nordics. We can scale to any market at a fairly fixed price. And then it's more an effect of how much content and marketing we want to invest in. And we've done quite significant work simulating various scenarios and opportunities. And we are in some -- as I mentioned earlier, in some very interesting discussions with content partners. But it's still a vision, and we are yet to announce anything above and beyond the Baltics. But of course, I wouldn't mention the vision in the way that I am right now if we didn't have fairly solid sort of pre work and pre studies completed. But there is yet to be any firm announcement. And of course, this is something we want to make sure we can discuss with our shareholders and, as I said, with our partners. We are build to scale, and the margin opportunity from that scale is quite significant. And the natural question is if it's possible to compete with those global giants that we're up against, and I think we've proven in the Nordics that it's possible. That is our home turf. Now if we go to play away, if you will, then we have to make sure that we find a unique USPs in each and every market. But I think history has proven that we have seen a couple of U.S.-based giants underestimating the firepower of Nordic innovation before. So I do think we have a good opportunity.

Operator

operator
#34

And we will now take our next question from Tom.

Thomas Singlehurst

analyst
#35

Tom Singlehurst here from Citi. I've got a handful, maybe going through them one by one. On Viaplay, I mean one of the encouraging things is that you anticipate continued momentum across the second half, which is maybe a contrast to how some of the other big streaming platforms have talked about like. I was just wondering, why is it you're so confident that what we saw in the 2Q isn't just sort of a pull forward of what might otherwise have come in the second half of this year? What's -- is there a specific market research underlying this? Or is it driven by your view on the usage levels? And I'd love a little bit more detail on that. Maybe as a starting question.

Anders Jensen

executive
#36

Absolutely. Tom, I think the reason for why we view the opportunities for the second half slightly different than at least one of big globals is, of course, that they have a little bit of a head start when it comes to penetration into the households in the Nordics, and we are sort of increasing our penetration gradually. And I think one thing that we learned during this pandemic is the willingness to sort of add more services to your household portfolio, if you will. And I think this is something that will not go away. I think this will -- this behavior will continue. We have managed to reach the furthest end of the long tail sooner than we anticipated as a consequence of this situation. And if anything, rather than sort of stop adding streaming services, I think people will look at maybe shaving off a couple of other additional TV channels and pay less for a traditional TV bundle rather than slow down the growth in streaming. So I think we are organically able to justify a continued growth, whereas at least one other player will see a slowdown as a consequence of their higher penetration. The other factor is our belief in the content that we have for the second half of this year. We have some very attractive, strong original productions coming up. And thirdly, we do sports. And sports will only continue to attract, especially if we see a gradual return to stadiums filled with audiences. And the whole experience of sports will get back more and more to normal, hopefully, at least when we come into next year. So I think there are good fundaments for why we can be a bit more bullish on our view on the second half.

Thomas Singlehurst

analyst
#37

And leading on from that, I suppose one of the things that you could have considered maybe is sort of trying to drive pricing. I mean, am I looking at that too bluntly that there's a choice between using this strong platform to drive growth in sub volumes and/or pricing, and you've just elected for sub volumes? [indiscernible] pricing levers coming as well?

Anders Jensen

executive
#38

Now there is -- you're right, there is a trade-off, of course. If the trade-off was between sort of keeping prices lower to drive increase, if we take sports as an example, I don't think that would be a smart way to create a solid business going forward. We have seen and I have experienced from previous life in adjacent industries that if you keep prices low for too long, it's going to be very difficult to get them back to the level where you need to be. So that trade-off, I would not be willing to make. The other flip side is, of course, that -- now that demand is where it is, is there room for price increases, which we originally planned for this year. And I think that would not be so clever at this point because we see this great momentum. So we're trying to strike the balance between sort of not giving away too much too cheaply and not trying to cash in on the momentum too soon. It's a balance that needs to be struck right now. And so -- and another addition that I would also like to mention that adds to our ability to be a bit more bullish for the second half is the increase in B2B agreements. The Elisa partnership is one great example that we do that the globals don't do. So there could be more of that in the pipeline as well.

Thomas Singlehurst

analyst
#39

That makes sense. And then a very final question. Obviously, I mean quite an impressive performance in 2Q on advertising. I know minus 30% probably don't feel like that, but relative to other broadcasters in Europe, it's a good number. And July, positive. Just on the July number, is there a distortion from sports? I mean, is there some sports content that's appearing on the free-to-air channels that is potentially inflating that number in an irregular way that's not sustainable?

Anders Jensen

executive
#40

No. The very short answer is no. We haven't aired anything just to sort of boost that number. We've been very mindful about making sure that sports' first and foremost role is to engage people with Viaplay. And we haven't done anything to boost that number, so no. But the return to sports is positive in the sense that betting companies is now, of course, investing to get back what was lost during the time of no sports. But we haven't moved anything over to free-to-air to just sort of inflate the number, if you will. No.

Operator

operator
#41

And we'll now take our next question from Peter.

Peter Testa

analyst
#42

It's Peter Testa from One Investments. A couple of questions, please. One is just on the originals view. When you look at the working capital and the investment in originals in '20 and '21, can you give some sort of sense as to whether there's been any timing shift there as to how we should feel about the cost of that? And then in '21 on originals, on taking their launches up again to 40 and thinking about spending going forward on originals. There had been an earlier view that you would be able to monetize partnerships, et cetera, and get to a point where the total broadcast or production, so envelope was relatively stable. Do you think that's still the case? Or given the Viaplay ambitions, is that something which we should expect to increase?

Anders Jensen

executive
#43

Yes, Peter. Thanks for the questions. On your first question, the impact of the volume, it's more or less in line with what we anticipated before we entered this year of -- what turned out to be a slightly different year. We've had some delay effects but not significant enough to make any significant changes to the working capital profile as a consequence of the original productions. On your second question, I'm of the opinion, of the firm opinion that we are still viewing the opportunity to keep sort of content investment on a steady state as a consequence of the -- in the originals, I should say, as a consequence of more partnerships. And that goes especially to when we look at international originals, mostly in English language, where we will get access to fantastic productions at a lower share of the total investment as a consequence of what we call slate partnerships with very strong international partners. And of course, the more markets we add to our portfolio, the more attractive that kind of model becomes, and then we can monetize more of that investment in more markets, especially if those markets are complementary to the markets that our partners are addressing. And those partners that we are talking about when it comes to English language content typically address the U.S. and those bigger markets where we can sort of complementary secure value -- content value at a low cost for markets like the Baltics. So the model is hopefully ready to prove itself during '21 and onwards.

Peter Testa

analyst
#44

Great. And then the other question I had is, when you think about the new market plan that you have on Viaplay, can you give some sort of sense as to how rights intensive this should be, i.e. are there any that would be sports driven? Or how we should think about rights spending overall as a consequence of your medium-term goals?

Anders Jensen

executive
#45

Well, as I mentioned, we want to view each market on its own merits. And we're looking at sports as a very attractive differentiator for many of the markets that we're doing our homework on. And we're using this whole situation also to engage even further with our partners on the sports rights side to secure sports rights at sort of favorable and attractive cost levels where we can spread our cost over more market. One example is the announcement of the Baltics when we announced that we had Formula 1 as part of our portfolio for the 3 countries, and that was secured as part of our Nordic agreement. So that's a bolt-on that makes us actually the largest partner when it comes to a number of territories for the F1 group, where we have 8 countries covered with Formula 1. And we're looking at more deals similar to that one. And then we have to be clever about how we can actually compete. We don't necessarily want to go head-to-head with large broadcasters in 2 bigger markets when it comes to sports, then we'll probably look at a different channel proposition. So we will be opportunistic in that sense but use our relationships and up -- potential build-up position as much as possible.

Operator

operator
#46

And we'll now take our next question from Richard.

Richard Jones;Tower House Partners

analyst
#47

It's Richard Jones at Tower House. I just wanted to ask a question. We obviously not had that much discussion around free TV. I just wanted to know your thoughts on the scope for potential consolidation in free TV across the Nordic markets in a similar way to the Viasat agreement.

Anders Jensen

executive
#48

Yes. Richard, that's a good question. It is a -- it's a dog with some fleas, to use an expression. It is definitely attractive and there could be some synergies in it, but it's regulatory challenging. That's probably the biggest flea of them all, but it's not straightforward to get something done. And secondly, the synergies need to be significant enough to justify exposure to a declining advertising market or advertising markets, I should say. So I think it's more a matter of how we think about use of our capital and whether those synergies and that exposure impacts our equity story and focus negatively or positively. So it's not straightforward. I'm more mindful now about using sort of the proceeds of what we have to invest in Viaplay. I think if you take the Allente example, where we're now able to leverage up the company, get some extraordinary dividends, use that money to invest in Viaplay rather than do extraordinary dividends for our shareholders, I don't think that opportunity would be as significant in a, let's say, a JV on an advertising base because the synergies are not significant enough and the leverage potential for that kind of company is not significant enough. So it is an opportunity, but it is a little bit of a dog with fleas, I would say.

Operator

operator
#49

That concludes the question-and-answer session. I will now hand the call back to your host, Matthew Hooper. Please go ahead, sir.

Matthew Hooper

executive
#50

Thank you very much, operator, and thank you, everyone, for your time and questions today. We will be hosting virtual digital roadshows like last quarter over the coming days, and we look forward to speaking with as many of you as possible during that time. Furthermore, we will host a Capital Markets Day in November to provide more details about our plans moving forward that we've discussed some of today. As ever, please do not hesitate to reach out to me, Stefan or Joel in the IR team with any questions or requests that you may have. We do have a unique story to tell, so thank you for your time and for your interest. That's it for this call today. So goodbye for now. Speak soon, and please stay safe.

Operator

operator
#51

Thank you. That concludes our conference for today. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect.

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