Vital Healthcare Property Trust (VTHPF) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 5, 2025

US Real Estate Health Care REITs shareholder_meeting 70 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Graham Stuart

executive
#1

Welcome to the 2025 Annual Meeting of Vital Healthcare Property Trust. My name is Graham Stuart. I'm the Independent Chair of the Vital Healthcare Property Trust, appointed by your Supervisor. During today's meeting, I will invite questions in relation to two formal addresses: one on Vital's annual accounts for the 2025 financial year, and the second on the proposed reelection of Angela Bull as an independent director. Angela will speak briefly to her nomination, and then we will open the meeting for general business. If you're a unitholder attending in person and you wish to ask a question, please wait until the relevant time and raise your hand. Please also wait until you've been provided with a microphone just to ensure that those who are attending online can hear your question. If you are a unitholder or a proxy holder and you're attending online, you can submit a written question during the live meeting at any time. Please select the tab, the Q&A on the right-hand side of your screen, type in the question to the field and press send. Your question will be immediately submitted. If like me, you require assistance on these matters, you can type a query into the Q&A tab and Computershare would assist you with the online chat function. Or alternatively, you can call Computershare on 0800-650-054. So that's 0800-650-054. Now while you can submit questions for any time from now on, I won't address them until the relevant time in the meeting. Your questions may be moderated, or if we receive multiple questions on the one topic, they may be amalgamated. In the unlikely event we run out of time to answer any questions, we will answer them in due course via e-mail or by posting responses to our website. Voting today will be conducted by way of a poll and voting will shortly be opened online. Computershare representatives will collect voting forms from those attending in person, and they will collate those results with both voting methods. Results of the poll will be released to the New Zealand Stock Exchange later today. Now the notice of this meeting has been served to all unitholders. It sets out the scope of what we are scheduled to discuss today and it includes the details of the one resolution that we are due to consider. I'm pleased to confirm that there is a quorum present and, therefore, I declare the 2025 Annual Meeting of Unitholders of Vital Healthcare Property Trust open. If you're eligible to vote at this meeting, you're now able to cast your vote under the Vote tab. To vote, simply select your voting direction from the options shown on the screen. Your vote has been cast when a green tick appears. But don't worry, to change your vote, you can simply select Change Your Vote. You can change your vote up until the time that I declare voting is closed, and I will give you an indication shortly before I move to close voting. Now the order for today's meeting is as follows. There are two formal presentations: my address to you as the Independent chair, followed by Chris Adams, who leads Vital's executive team as Fund Manager. I will then table the annual financial statements and invite questions on any matter regarding the trust or the presentations other than at that time, ends the election. We will then move to the formal business being the proposed resolution that Angela Bull reelected, and then I will invite any questions related to her reelection. Now while voting occurs, we're going to play you a short video, giving you an overview of some of the assets in Vital's portfolio, which includes recently completed developments and RDX building in Queensland, which is currently under construction. After voting is complete, we'll have an opportunity for general business and I will invite you to ask any relevant questions that you may have. We will then conclude the meeting. I'll then invite you to stay behind and mingle with the directors and management team. I think there might be a cup of coffee provided or tea. Copies of the minutes to last year's annual meeting are available on Vital's website, vhpt.co.nz. Now the full Board of the management is in attendance today with all of my Board colleagues attending in person, except from Mike Bradley and Zachary Vaughan who are attending virtually from Canada. Zach and Mike are not present in person because they're currently in Toronto preparing market announcements on behalf of the Northwest Real Estate Investment Trust. I'd also like to welcome Northwest's executive team, including Fund Manager, Chris Adams; Regional CFO, Michael Groth; and General Counsel and Company Secretary; Vanessa Flax; Paul Cassidy and Raveen Kaur from the Supervisor of the Trust; Bryce Henderson and Hayden Davison from the auditors of the Trust; and Toby Sharpe, who is a legal adviser to the Manager. Fellow unitholders, I'm pleased to report that operating performance of our fund remains at satisfactory levels despite the challenging economic environment. The operating performance of the fund has been satisfactory with sufficient earnings to maintain the dividend payout of $0.0975 per unit. After 2 years of monetary tightening, interest rates eased significantly with the official cash rate declining from 5.5% to 2.5% currently during the course of the last financial year. The downward trend in property valuations also slowed. Net tangible assets per unit moved from $2.69 at the beginning of the financial year to $2.47 by year-end. Pleasingly, Vital's unit price firmed from $1.80 to nearly $2 at the year-end, and this positive momentum has been continued since the year-end. Your Board and management are committed to enhancing the value of your Vital units. In November 2024, we undertook an in-depth consultation on the dual listing proposal. While such a listing could have increased the earnings and dividends to our unitholders by between 10% and 15% along with delivering other strategic benefits, concerns were raised by our investors about matters such as the demand for units in Vital in the ASX, the smaller size of our fund on the NZX, the liquidity of the units and index inclusion. Mindful of this feedback, the Board ultimately decided not to proceed with the dual listing at this time, but we will continue to evaluate opportunities to strengthen unitholder value, in parallel with and without detracting from our primary focus, which, of course, is on managing the fund's performance. The Board is also mindful that Vital is the only listed property entity in New Zealand that is externally managed. The independent directors have received feedback from unitholders over the years, encouraged us to raise the prospect of internalizing management of Vital, and some of you will recall that this has been a regular topic at recent annual meetings. Consistent with our desire to enhance unitholder value, we have engaged with Northwest over the years. And although we haven't yet been able to reach any substantive agreement on terms, the independent directors continue to consider that there is potential for real benefit to unitholders through internalized management. However, there is no certainty that we will ultimately be able to come through any commercial agreement in this respect. Turning our minds to capital management and development. Our disciplined approach to capital management and development has enabled the trust to navigate through turbulent economic times while preserving balance sheet strength and portfolio quality. In the financial year '25, two major development projects were successfully operationalized: the $16 million expansion of Maitland Private Hospital in New South Wales and Stage 2 of the $141.4 million redevelopment of Wakefield in Wellington. These projects were delivered on time and within budget, enhancing the capacity of the portfolio and the quality of our tenant offerings. The overall development pipeline remained active with 6 completions over the past year representing $277 million of total capital spend. Leasing outcomes continue to underpin the portfolio's performance with over 51,000 square meters leased, extended or renewed during the financial year '25. This represents 22% of the income and 20% of the leasable area of the portfolio. It resulted in occupancy lifting to 98.6% and our weighted average lease expiry, which we call WALE, extending to 18.5 years maintaining high tenant stability. Asset recycling initiatives delivered $49.7 million in gross proceeds from noncore divestments. These included sales of the Hirondelle Private Hospital, Epworth Rehabilitation and residential property in Sydney. These sales were achieved at an average of a 7% discount to book value, and the proceeds have been recycled and reinvested into core developments. On the financing front, vital refinanced $1.1 billion of debt facility in the final quarter securing extended maturities and improving our pricing. The next debt maturity is not until March 2027, providing certainty for funding. Gearing ended the year at 42.1, comfortably within our banking covenant range. Net property income increased by 3.7% on a like-for-like basis. Around 83% now of our rental income is linked to the Consumer Price Index supporting sustainable income growth. Adjusted funds from operation were $70.4 million, generating a payout ratio of 93.6%, which is consistent with prior years. These proactive measures in capital deployment, asset duration and financing have enhanced the property quality that have strengthened our operational resilience and have supported the fund's sustainable dividend profile. Our long-term strategy, we remain a long-term investor steadily focused on high-quality health care properties and attractive locations and with stable tenant relationships. While the past 24 months of more economic shifts that require tactical adjustments, our strategic direction has remained unchanged, investing through market cycles for superior returns. The recently announced GRESB ESG status and our recently released climate-related disclosures reinforce our commitment to sustainability. Now turning our minds to the Board and management. This year, Aaron Hockley resigned after 5.5 years as Fund Manager. The Board expresses gratitude for his professionalism and his contribution to the fund. The Board were fortunate in being able to appoint Chris Adams to replace Aaron as Vital Fund Manager. Chris brings 25 years of sector experience, including significant prior experience with Vital. And he's taken on Aaron's responsibilities, ensuring continuity of operations. In addition, craig Mitchell retired as CEO of Northwest Healthcare Property REIT and as their Director in August with Zachary Vaughan stepping in is Northwest new CEO and Board Director. The Board thanks Craig for his significant contributions and welcomes Zachary to Vital. The outlook for the sector. Vital was well positioned for financial year 2016 and beyond as the health care property market begins to emerge from recent sector headwinds. Interest rates have moderated, operator performance is strong particularly in New Zealand. Property valuations have stabilized. And in Australia, it appears that the Healthscope receivership is drawing to a conclusion. Fortunately, your fund had no exposure to those assets. This overall environment supports tenant demand, income security and, ultimately, embedded value creation for unitholders. In addition to our financial focus, we have continued to enhance our governance in response to stakeholder feedback and to market conditions. The activities that I have highlighted are only a small part of our efforts over the past year. The Board want to thank you for your continued support and your trust as investors in Vital Healthcare Property Trust. The Board and management remain confident that we are working in the right direction to ensure our focused strategy and our resilient portfolio will deliver superior long-term results. It's now my great pleasure to introduce Fund Manager, Chris Adams, to provide his first address to you, and he will provide further detail. Come on up, Chris.

Chris Adams

executive
#2

Thank you, Graham, [Foreign Language] and good afternoon. My name is Chris Adams, and I'm the Fund Manager for Vital. I have a long history with the Vital business, having started my career in health care property, as noted by Graham, with Vital in New Zealand in 1995. And I'm very proud to lead the business at this time. Whilst Graham has reflected largely on the FY '25 year, my intention is to focus on the first quarter of FY '26 and beyond. As noted at the full year update, we have a strong focus on driving the operational performance of the business. This focus is apparent in the results, as highlighted on the slide: Improved occupancy at 99%, including committed leases at end September 2025. The upturn in occupancy reflects the take-up of recently completed high-quality space established by the development program. Active lease inquiry continues on the balance of the portfolio and we expect further leasing as we approach the end of the calendar year. The weighted average lease expiry of 19.1 years, the longest of all rates listed on the NZX or ASX, demonstrates the duration of cash flows. Continued improvement in operating metrics also for hospital operators. Strong growth of 5% in net property income for the first quarter of FY '26 versus the corresponding period in FY '25. Over $450 million of asset sales since 2023, in part, to manage leverage to prudent levels, but also a process of portfolio improvement, whereby we have sold assets that were viewed as bottom quartile in terms of asset quality or operational performance and reinvested the proceeds into Vital's high-quality developments. We have recently concluded the sale of Toronto Private Hospital in the Hunter Valley for $38.25 million, as noted by Graham, and a 50% sale of Kawarau Park in Queenstown due to settle later this month. The sale and the interest in Kawarau Park reflects an off-market approach from Mackersy Property, a well-regarded Queenstown-based property group to partner on the asset and play to our respective strengths in commercial and health property to add further value to this precinct asset. Again, noted by Graham, the operational performance focus has been done with a commitment to ESG with recognition for the business by GRESB, which I will come to later. On the next slide, we recognize the near $200 million of development completions in quarter 1, 2026. The Wakefield project is well known to unitholders with the stage rebuild of the entire hospital being in construction for over 5 years. We're extremely proud of the completed facility in conjunction with our long-term partner, Evolution Healthcare. And the quality of the hospital is clearly evident by the way of the strong acceptance by doctors and the broader community in Willington driving strong demand for services. The $25 million expansion on renewal project at Boulcott Hospital in Lower Hutt also now complete, following the complex build and a live environment, strengthening the quality and operating capacity of this hospital, one of fewer New Zealand directly co-located with a major public hospital. And Auckland Endoscopy, a major expansion of this high turnover endoscopy and day surgery facility in conjunction with Evolution and Allevia, two of New Zealand's leading health care providers. The next slide outlines the balance of the current Vital development program. With the $201.3 million of projects nearing completion with only $19.6 million of spend remaining, practical completion of RDX is pending in the New Year. I visited site only last week and note this nearly 15,000 square meter facility is of the highest quality. Whilst the construction component is near complete, the focus is on leasing the asset, which is subject to a 12-month net operating income guarantee for 57% of budgeted net income. We confirm our expectation that this facility will lease up over the period of 18 months post practical completion in line with normal course leasing of life science assets. The multi-stage development expansion of Grace Hospital continues on plan in conjunction with operating partners Evolution Healthcare and Southern Cross for mid 2026 completion. The further expansion works at Wakefield, driven by strong demand for services post opening of Stage 2 in January moves towards completion this year. In terms of financial highlights for the quarter. Strong growth of 5% in net property income over the corresponding period in FY '25. AFFO was [ $0.082 ], representing an 86.4% payout ratio, driven by increased property income but also influenced by timing factors, including the lower tax expense and the timing of maintenance spendings. Distributions of $0.4375 per unit, consistent with guidance and expectations for the full year of $0.0975. Importantly, the fund has no debt expiring until March 2027 and a weighted average debt expiry of 3.6 years following a major refinance in May 2025, as noted by Graham. Balance sheet gearing sits at 42.1%, reducing to 41.5% post the settlement of the Queenstown 50% interest. Net tangible assets now sit at $2.56 as of 30th September, driven by favorable FX movements with the New Zealand dollar depreciating against the Aussie dollar since 30 June and minor upside and valuations from rent reviews. As noted by Graham, we anticipate yields have now stabilized across New Zealand and Australia and future valuations will be driven by the retail growth within the portfolio. We also anticipate that high-quality assets will also benefit in the future from a scarcity factor as limited new supply has entered markets in recent years. In terms of ESG highlights. We acknowledge our recently released second climate-related disclosure with this process being very much about building foundations for the future with ESG as a core part of strategy, including the identification and management of risk. Our commitment to ESG has been recognized GRESB with Global Leader Sector status against our peer group in both standing investments and developments. This commitment to sustainable buildings is evidenced on the next slide whereby Genesis Care Integrated Cancer Centre in Sydney and Playford Health Hub Stage 2 in Adelaide have both received 6-star Green Star certification. RDX on the Gold Coast has a 6-star Green Star design rating with certification to be progressed post completion. And we're targeting our first Green Star project in Auckland with in Auckland Endoscopy well advanced in the design review process. In fact, I think [ Kristy ] tells me today we have that approval. So that's good news. And finally, turning to our outlook and guidance. Confirming our dividend guidance of $0.0975 for the full year against an improving AFFO payout ratio, which provides flexibility to consider options to increase distributions in the future. Continuation of our focus on portfolio optimization with the portfolio showing sector-leading occupancy and lease duration metrics against the backdrop of emerging sector tailwinds, unlocking the embedded value in the portfolio by way of activating shovel-ready developments over time. This has been done with a focus on ESG and a resolute focus on driving unitholder returns and distributing growth over time. I will now hand back to Graham for the next part of the meeting. Thank you.

Graham Stuart

executive
#3

Thank you, Chris. The annual report and financial statements for the year ended the 30th of June 2025 have been served to all unitholders and are now formally tabled at this meeting. If there are any questions relating to the trust or to my presentation or Chris' presentation, now is your opportunity to raise them. Only unitholders or proxy holders are permitted to ask questions. If there are people from the media here, the directors and management will make ourselves available at the conclusion of the meeting to answer any of your questions. You may ask questions through the Computershare platform if attended virtually. Raise your hand in the room and do wait for that microphone to be given to you. Those wanting to ask a question online, please do so as early as possible to ensure that we can receive and answer that. And in consideration for other unitholders, we ask that questions that relate to your personal situation, all unitholder be dealt with outside of the meeting with management by e-mail or phone. Repeated questions or questions that have already been answered may not be put to the meeting again. I'll throw the floor open with that.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#4

I believe there was an issue about asbestos content of new doors. How has that been resolved in some of the New Zealand hospitals?

Graham Stuart

executive
#5

Chris, would you like to put up your microphone and address.

Chris Adams

executive
#6

And I might have to reach to [ Kristy ] in the back row to give us any further details if I get this wrong. But I mean, those doors were specified at the time when new developments were reviewed as being compliant. Obviously, subsequently, there's been an issue with compliance in relation to those. It's obviously contained asbestos. It's not a risk to anyone, but we're obviously going through a review on the building contracts for replacement of those doors as required. There's no safety concerns to people. As I said, it's entirely contained. But there are matters that we absolutely got to teach into and address them. So Kristy, have I got that entirely right?

Unknown Executive

executive
#7

Yes.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#8

So the replacement...

Chris Adams

executive
#9

Replacement is a [indiscernible].

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#10

Robert Weeden, shareholder, I guess unitholder. Question about asset valuations. How close are the building asset valuations just sort of the true value? And this is with reference to recent reducing write-downs.

Chris Adams

executive
#11

I mean, certainly, they're mark-to-market each quarter and those of you to be representative of value now, sometimes valuations can be a lagging indicator. And therefore, on the valuations declining, they maybe take a little bit more time to step down that ladder. And equally, when they're rising, they make take a little bit more time to rise up that ladder. I think the answer is we're confident that the movement in yield in marketplaces, particularly if you look at New Zealand as an example, and declining interest rate spread and if you look at the differential bond rates over the long term, you can have some confidence that valuation yields are in the right place. That's also evidenced by market activity that is definitely increasing. So forecasting right now that yields are going to affirm anytime soon, but we have rent growth in the portfolio, and that that's the other side of the valuation equation. And we're confident with 99% occupancy and WALE at 18 years, we're fortunate we've got a very easy cash flow to model and, therefore, we're certain of what the cash flows look like. And there's upside to them and therefore, valuations. Certainly, that's our base assumption, that they'll travel in accordance with that rent growth in the near term.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#12

Michael Bolton, shareholder. How much freedom does the Board have to internalize the management? I understood that Northwest has their level of ownership as such that they can block any attempt to change manager or internalize a manager.

Graham Stuart

executive
#13

Yes. So I don't want to go too deep into that. But I think my understanding is that a special resolution of shareholders would be required, 75% vote to dismiss the manager or to terminate the management agreement. And so therefore, anyone that holds -- and that for that matter, the Northwest will be able to vote on that resolution. So then that point is correct. Northwest, yes, I think they had that management contract since about 2012. They can sell that at any time to anybody. They're under no obligation to offer it to the fund first. So that's kind of the landscape we're getting in, Michael.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#14

What is the current holding in Vital?

Graham Stuart

executive
#15

If I'm correct, it's about 28.4%.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#16

So they can block an attempt to internalize management.

Graham Stuart

executive
#17

Yes, that would be my understanding. That would be a safe assumption, I think.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#18

It seems negligent that the Board has allowed the situation to come about where they've got an ability to do this. We can't basically get rid of them.

Graham Stuart

executive
#19

Yes, I don't want to go back on history, but I think you've got to look back to the circumstances where that contract changed hands well over a decade ago. And that was not a decision taken by the Board at that time. That was a decision taken by the larger investors in the fund. So that's the reality of what we live with. Those are contractual obligations. They're cast in stone. We'll disclosed through our constitutional documents that you can see online. That's the reality we deal with. We're not able to change that other than through the normal process of commercial negotiation

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#20

Yes. But I know it's coming back in history. But the Board should have anticipated and it should be a condition of the contract that the Northwest couldn't get to this 25% or more than 25% ownership level. That should have happened. And that's just -- I don't think it's a very good look for a path forwards anyway.

Graham Stuart

executive
#21

Yes. I mean, I was a much younger man then and I wasn't involved in the sector. So I can't opine on that. What I can say is your Board are very mindful of the cards that we hold in our hand, and that's the game that we play, too. So yes, with within the commercial reality, the framework we operate in, we're doing everything we can to enhance unitholder value.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#22

[ Cedric ], I'm a unitholder. In relation to the same question, is there any responsibility from the trustees to do what was suggested here, keeping an eye of that the fact they shouldn't have gone up to 28%? What's the attitude of the trustees? Is that within the realm of interest or responsibility?

Graham Stuart

executive
#23

So it's within the realm, no question. And I'm getting out of my pay grade here, but we have Toby Sharpe. He's going to frame me or just do this if I get things wrong. So I mean, we can't relitigate the past. That is what it is. And in the past is a very distant past nowhere. So I was several kilos lighter and quite a lot younger and I had different color here when this happened. So the primary role of the supervisors are kind of two things. One is to act as a front line of defense for the Financial Markets Authority and ensure that we comply with all the relevant regulations and, most particularly, the Financial Markets Conduct Act. And they are there to hold and manage the custodianship of your funds and the assets that those funds have been invested in. And they're also there to look over our shareholders with relation to their role as an agent of the FMA to make sure that the independent directors monitor and regulate related party transactions. So as independent directors, we spend a lot of our time and we're very mindful of our responsibilities when it comes to related party transactions. And of course, in a externally managed fund, there are a lot of related party transactions. It's basically every time the manager, mostly under the authorities of the trustee, transacts with the fund to take fees and buy properties and things like that. So they have a very real role to play in the legal structure and the operation of the fund. But they're not an active player in the sense that they don't come to the table and conduct commercial negotiations. That's the role of the Board and the independent directors of the company. They are very much looking over our shoulder. And there's quite a number of transactions where we are required to get the authority to do things. And we'd normally certify that we've actually complied with the Financial Markets conduct that in order to do that. So in that respect, we're a little bit different from a corporate entity. We're a managed investment scheme, as you know, under the FMCA, and that's our respective roles. So when it comes to commercial matters, look to the three of us. When it comes to compliance obligations and the custodian trip of your assets, that's largely taken care by Supervisor. So I'm looking at Tobey, he's giving me the thumbs up. So largely got that right. And you would hope that I got that right because I should ought to know what I expected to do, right?

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#24

And another question. As far as these green star ratings are concerned, I've been told by several other of the property companies that the criteria for the allocation, shall we say, of stages in Australia and New Zealand is quite different. To what extent can we sort of rely when you're talking about the Australian ones having a green star rating of 5 star, 6 star or whatever it is, that it's compatible with the same New Zealand?

Chris Adams

executive
#25

Yes. There are differences. That is correct. And again, Lisa in the back may correct me if I'm wrong here. But they both set high bars for the nature of -- and the appropriate market circumstances, and they are the measure in the Australian New Zealand market to measure the quality of developments and the extent to which you benchmark against these developments in a green star sense. As a business, our commitment is to build assets for tomorrow, and that's what it's about. And it's doing the right things for the environment, but it's also doing the right things by tenants. An example is a health care staff which were in short demand would much rather work in an environment that has association with green star and has appropriate ESG conventionals and these sorts of assets. So slightly different, but the old principles within Australia and New Zealand are the same. And they ultimately, in my view, take us the same place. So again, Lisa, is that a fair assessment? Yes?

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#26

All right. Another question, too, if I can. A different matter. You referred to a consultation with stakeholders on different issues. I think one of the major issues that keeps coming up now and again is splitting the Australia and New Zealand portfolios into two separate entities, and that you were consulting with stakeholders on this. I'm a fairly substantial holder in the Vital Health, not in terms of the actual legal definition. But I know, and I think most others here would know that really when it comes pushed down to shove, you can get proxy holders, get them on the side and the rest of us don't matter. I know there's an issue that you, I believe, have been consulting with New Zealand Shareholders Association. I hope that you don't believe that what they say is what all shareholders say because there are many issues that they say that I do not agree with quite strongly. And so I want to make it clear that if you're going to get them on the side, don't think that you've got every shareholder on the side. Just make that as a point, please. And are there any other issues that you really have been consulting with stakeholders on apart from that splitting of the portfolio Yes?

Graham Stuart

executive
#27

So thank you. Feedback noted and understood. I'd like to give you confidence that we don't actually give any sector amongst our unitholder group a louder voice than any other . Fundamentally, your Board are here to drive the unit value, which is largely determined by the quality of the portfolio and the manager of the fund and the amount that we can pay you in dividends. So what we want to do is get your dividends up so unit price goes up. And to do that, we've got to run a quality portfolio with great tenants, and that's our focus. And so if we see opportunities to enhance that and with the dual listing proposal, we thought we could potentially enhance the funds available from operations, which is what funds the dividend by 10% to 15%. And it's largely done without changing the nature of the assets that you've invested in, then it would be remiss of us not to go out there and very widely canvas our unitholders and take into account a range of views. And yes, I'm just trying to thinking that process where [ Oliver ] was one of the people we consulted with, I think he probably was with the shareholders' association, but we had a widespread consultation. And as independent directors, we're conscious there. And the New Zealand resident ones are retail holders of units. So we're in your shoes in that respect. We're conscious that our obligations are to all unitholders. And there's nothing that we have consulted on with any unitholder that hasn't been made public to all unitholders. So if you go on to our NZX website, run down through the announcements, the matters that we discussed with them, the proposal that we were evaluating at that time and the feedback that we've got, that's all been sort of put up on the website for everyone to see. So I've noted your feedback, and I hope you get some comfort from the fact that we listen to everyone with an equal voice.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#28

Does the trustee have an issue as far as that is concerned besides hoping that consultation of stakeholders?

Graham Stuart

executive
#29

They're sitting just behind you. I can't answer for -- we're unaware. Yes, our relationship with the trustee is one of a regulator and a commercial entity, the communication between -- and we operate on a no-surprises basis. They kind of know what they're doing. They read our minutes of Board meetings and they see all the essential documents. If they have an issue, they normally raise it with us, always raise it with us very promptly. And we respond very seriously. I can't recall initially that they raised with us in recent times, certainly not in the year under review, that would give rise to any concern by a unitholder.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#30

If they do raise an issue with you, do you actually make that public through the stock exchange that you've had this different?

Graham Stuart

executive
#31

No. The first thing we do is we fix it. And we try to make sure that if there were an issue, it would be a little one. So that's through no surprises policy. So we haven't had any. But yes, take a lot of confidence in fact that if a supervisor thought it was serious and we weren't responding, they would make it public. And so that's one of the tools that they have in their toolkit to kind of pull us into line if they felt they needed to. And my experience on this Board, they haven't had that. And I hope for the foreseeable future, that's the case. Now we've got some questions come through online. So I might pause questions in the room, address the ones we have online and then we'll come back for one last. So if you're still taking questions, keep thinking.

Chris Adams

executive
#32

Yes. And Graham, the one online. And I'm not being rude by texting on my phone. That's with Computershare to check who we are coping with the questions. But John Inman, really, are there any future plans for new developments? Firstly, noting that Vital is a very significant and positive history with development of the portfolio. That's why we have a very high-quality renewed portfolio with a very low average life. And as I said, it was about owning assets of the future. So more than $500 million of developments completed over the last 5-year period. That has slowed naturally with market conditions, with cost of capital, construction costs. Particularly in Australia, the operator dynamics have been more difficult. So that has naturally slowed the development proposition. Saying that, where developments are appropriate earlier this year, we did approve the expansion of Wakefield, $11-odd million project. It was small, but it's the sort of project. The yield of around 7% was both accretive to earnings and accretive to the balance sheet. So in our view, ticked doors of boxes and have met the -- that was a project that expansion space was really meant to be there for 5 years, and the hospital has been opened not too long and really demanded that additional service. So just entrenches to the performance of the asset and the quality of the asset. But in saying that, during this time, where we have done less, we have been shovel-ready because taking developments to market including planning, master planning, town planning has long duration. So to sit there and, again, reverting back to the quality of the portfolio and ability to execute, ability to meet our partners, we need to be in a position to actually activate projects when the operators drive that or where market circumstances drive that, particularly around precincts where we're meeting the demand, which is our core strategy. So we are shovel-ready on projects. And when the timing is right, the returns are right, we will look to activate those. But we're going to do it in a very considered and cautious manner over time. Graham, that's the only question online.

Graham Stuart

executive
#33

Okay. So I'll reopen to the floor for any final questions. Yes?

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#34

As a scientist I'm most interested in your involvement in the RDX building. And as tenants and research companies take up their positions within their building, I'd really appreciate if the annual report would give us a reasonably extensive description of the company and maybe even if the company is taking some equity in these companies.

Graham Stuart

executive
#35

I'll address the last part, and you want to address the first part?

Chris Adams

executive
#36

So yes, we can provide disclosure to tenants. I mean, life science buildings, as you probably know better than me, are different in terms of the nature of the tenants. A lot of our portfolio is obviously hospital. But there's a lot of quality organizations. But it's not a proposition like leasing office buildings. It's about curating these businesses. A lot of these businesses have grants from federal government stake -- we're talking about Australia here. So they have grant from state government, federal government or other funding groups. And it's about creating an ecosystem within an environment like RDX. RDX is in a precinct. It's a $5 billion purpose-built government precinct with a very major public hospitals. The private hospital that's co-located with is north of 300 beds and 20 [indiscernible]. That's bigger than most public hospitals. So that's the private hospital and then a major university. So it's an ecosystem that's also -- and is trusted by economic development in Queensland. It's all about fostering the services and what synergies has been created around that. So yes, we will provide disclosure as those tenants fit into line. These type of building, the tenants come to them relatively late. As I said, high-quality building, and we're very active with a range of groups about filling building up right now. In terms of the equity piece, I mean, I'll start. I mean, it's not our position to take equity positions. We're a real estate player and we'll stick to what we do in that regard. So certainly, yes, not to my knowledge any intention to take equity interest in life science tenants.

Graham Stuart

executive
#37

Now our mandate is quite narrow. We have a strategic investment policy, which is online. We review that regularly. That tells us what we can and can't invest in. Our supervisor looks over our shoulder and make sure that we comply with that. And yes, so the mandate is health care property. This is the first time within the definition of health care property that we've actually made an investment in a life science building. And so if you look online at our -- we call it the SIPO, you will see that we've actually categorized how much of the portfolio would go into each different class of health care property. But we're very tightly focused on being a landlord to health care providers.

Chris Adams

executive
#38

And maybe I'd just add one dimension, but our team involved in that project is not like a leasing team you'd see within a building like this. They are actively working with the sorts of tenants to curate the business cases to be engaged with government. We're spending a lot of time with state government and various agencies of government facilitating. You only have to pick -- if you did a search on RDX and look through the publications online, there's a number of articles with the Minister of X or the Minister of Y for the state government with a picture outside RDX because they're all -- it's important. One of the anchors of the building is rehabilitation, but it's not rehabilitation in the traditional sense. It's quadraplegics. It's bio-spine. It's using technology. It's a whole different dimension where technology plays a major role in that nature of that service and how people can walk again. And so it's a completely different dimension to standard sort of buildings.

Graham Stuart

executive
#39

Yes. We've got two questions over here.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#40

Actually, my name is Robert. We are the unitholder. Before I come -- we are very new to Vital. We are very excited to put the IFRS for the interest for this year. And I told to my wife, I won't ask any questions because we're coming here to learn, not to -- but she said, yes, you can ask only one question. My question is very simple. And I'm just reading the annual report and the page is 13, Page 13. There are three sales in the financial year 2025. So one was done in October 2024, another one December 2024, the third was May 2025. My question is very simple because we are talking about the real estate and we are talking about the cycle. We're talking about sell in the peak and buy in the bottom. My question is very simple. Looks like for this resale, look like we are doing a little bit opposite for what [indiscernible] is saying. So can you explain what's the reason behind that?

Graham Stuart

executive
#41

Yes, I can. And you're quite right. It does look like that. So we use the term recycling capital, which is really a bit of a euphemism for selling things so we buy other things, we'll build other things. So for this fund, I think recycling capital is something that's relatively new so we've only really been talking that around the board table for maybe the last 3 or 4 years. And in the situation where we had a long period of time where interest rates are coming down, cap rates have become more favorable buying and accumulating was what most property companies including this one did. Once we got into a point where we saw a decline in the net tangible assets, so we were getting write-downs in the carrying value of properties, then your Board sort of sits in and says, we have development obligations to tenants, development opportunities that are favorable for unitholders. We have two ways of funding there. So one way is to go to the market and raise capital. But if we're raising capital at a depressed price, that dilutes your return. So our 100% focus is on what we call FFO per unit. And the key words here are per unit because that gives rise to dividend per unit. So we're not interested in the fact that we aren't interested, but [ EPRA ] $70 million, but also, you got to divide that by 680 million units. So the key measure for us is per unit, we want to make sure that everything we do improves the return and, ultimately, the unit price per unit. So raising capital at a time when our unit price is low would actually mean we have more units and not much more earnings. So it could reduce that. So the other option to us and that time is to be able to sell and buy, we call recycle. So there are two ways of funding things, One is to ask you for more money, but that comes along and into more units, the dividend gets spread across more units. The other way is to find something in our portfolio that we're not that tied to, that's relatively nonstrategic. It's relatively liquid. And we'd be happy to let it go because what we're doing with the money is a better opportunity. So you're absolutely right. We're selling at what we hope is the bottom of the market. But the alternative to that would be raising capital at the bottom of the market. And in these particular cases, the selling the assets is the better option for unitholders. So a long-winded answer, I'm sorry, to a short question. I'll give you permission to ask more, but you're going to have to work that out.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#42

A unit holder. I was going to suggest a solution to the dominance of the Northwest deal. By just having a capital raise. They have got that much equity now. That would give them a real good squeeze, but not if they had a 1 for 5 capital raise or 1 for 2 or something. We'll probably squeeze them right out.

Graham Stuart

executive
#43

Yes, I sort of probably want to cut off this line of thinking. We don't see Northwest the way that you're characterizing them. Yes. We see Northwest as a very supportive unitholder. And we see two individuals and Zach and Mike, and before that, Craig and Mike and before that, Bernard and -- those people come to our Board table and we spend most of our time thinking how to make all of our unitholders wealthier. And that's where we spend our energy and that's the experience that I have of Northwest Healthcare REIT. So to me, they're not an enemy or they're not someone -- and that's kind of the relationship that exists amongst us. So we know -- and they are a large unitholder. So their interest and your interest are very closely aligned. And the value of the units is likely to be much more than the value of the management rights in the business. So in that context, they're our partner. The significant investor and they ask skilled, experienced business people that bring good acumen to the Board table. And as Chair, I really acknowledge and appreciate that commercial acumen that Northwest has brought during my time on this Board. So yes, I don't want to get too tied up in there's Northwest people and there's us. When it comes to related party transactions, then we three, the independent directors, we go off and caucus on our own and we go through our process. And it's a minority of the time. The majority of the time, the five of us are applying our minds how to make everyone in this room better off. So that doesn't mean to say we won't continue to talk to them about things like internalization. But it's not an aggravating factor around the Board table. We're not at adversarial in a sense. We're very collegiate and we're all working most of the time or almost all the time on common interest.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#44

I was a unit holder in 2018 so I have a slightly different perspective of Northwest. Since for the last 5 years, perhaps things have settled and may be opinion have changed.

Graham Stuart

executive
#45

Yes. I mean, you and I were there in 2018, Alan. It was pretty awkward for me, to be honest, if you recall at that time. So there's no question, particularly around the time of that Healthscope investment. And we dodged a bullet on that. And thank goodness, if you look in hindsight now, that experience. But so I'm only reflecting on my time on the Board, and I'm now the longest Board member. So I think let's just say the infection point was 2019. Nothing to do with my arrival, it just coincidental. And yes, it's a positive and constructive relationship.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#46

Yes. Could we move on to a second course. I've been trying to get through -- I'll refer you to the annual report, Page 59. There's a table and it refers to directors remuneration. We talked about this last year a little bit. I can't make the mathematics of it work. So I'll just go through it. If we go through 2025, there's a statement there that $280,000 was paid by the unitholders and Australia...

Graham Stuart

executive
#47

You want me to have a run at this? I think I know where you're coming from. It's complicated. So there are 3 independent directors and 5 directors. So the nonindependent directors don't get paid. They turn up because they're being paid by Northwest. That's part of their day job to do this. So a terrific contribution. They don't get paid. There's 3 independent directors, 2 of whom are independent directors by virtue of the trustee requirement to be there. And so at any given time, 2 directors are paid for by you, the unitholders of the fund. And the other director is paid by Northwest as the manager of the fund and they recoup that, of course, through the fees. Now the 3 of us have paid different amounts of money. So I get paid $180,000 a year for being the Chair. My 2 colleagues get paid a little bit less than that. One sort of relates to Australia and also Michael Chairs the Audit Committee and Angela. So what happens when every 3 years, one of us rotate out from being paid for by the fund to being paid for by Northwest. So when I'm being paid for by unitholders, then there's $180,000 plus the other director. When I'm not, that's just the 2 other directors, which are some less than that. It's just the math of how it goes through. And that's -- it's kind of awkward. But the reason we did this was, of course, this is another area where I think Northwest have been constructive and accommodated. We want to fall in line to the extent that we can with normal corporate practice around governance. So we want you to be able to vote every year directors. And we don't want any of us to have to be a director without having been voted on at least once within the last 3 years. So the next item of business, of course, is Angela's reelection. And once Angela's elected, if that's the case, then 2 will become paid for by Northwest. And then Michael will come on to your payroll. And so we do that in order to be able to cycle through the 3-year putting one director up to you every 3 years. So we know that if you get irritated or aren't getting happy about the Board, you want to do to have a no vote on something. And whichever one of us happens to cop that, that's how it works. So that's essentially, I think, the number of your question, Alan, how come that number is moving around all the time. There's 3 of us, two of them are people by unitholders. Each of us have paid different amounts of money depending on the roles that we play on the Board. And we rotate who makes up the two other paid by the unitholders.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#48

I was reasonably good at math, one thing I was pretty good at. And it doesn't make sense, I'm sorry. The table shares in 2025, there's AUD 110,000 Australia was paid by the manager and AUD 280,000 was paid by unitholders.

Graham Stuart

executive
#49

Yes. So $280,000 is me and one of my colleagues and $110,000 is the other of my colleagues

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#50

Yes. But there's a little script there under Angela's name, which was paid by the manager.

Unknown Executive

executive
#51

So Angela was up until the AGM last year to this time last year. So she was partly paid for by the manager for the period from June 30 or 1st of July 2024 through until effectively the same point in time at the AGM. And then it swapped over to Michael Stanford at that particular point in time to reflect ultimately his election and the retirement of Angela as part of the directors

Graham Stuart

executive
#52

Yes. So we have -- we operate on 2-year cycles. 1 year cycle goes from Annual Unitholder Meeting to Annual Unitholder Meeting. And at the table you're looking at is the financial year. So every financial year, there's a change. So you've got power of one and power of the other, just to make it even more confusing. I think when you cut through all of that, the key is the manager pays for one of the independent directors under the trustee arrangements. The other two are paid for directly by unitholders. The Board have modified that in order to be able to enable you to vote for one of the independent directors every year on a 3-year rotation, which is consistent with good practice across New Zealand listed companies. Well, thank you, Alan, for that. If no further questions on the two presentations, I'll now turn my mind to the formal part of the business.

Graham Stuart

executive
#53

And the formal part of the business, of course, relates to the reelection of Angela Bull as an Independent Director. The Board unanimously support Angela's reelection. So I now invite Angela to the floor to address you.

Angela Bull

executive
#54

Thank you, Graham. [Foreign Language] Good afternoon unitholders, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today as I seek reelection. I joined the Vital Board in April 2022 because of the strength and the significance of the portfolio in the health sector and the high-quality developments in both New Zealand and Australia, and you've heard a lot about that already today. This is a stable portfolio running at 99% occupancy a weighted average lease term of 18.5 years. And for me, Vital is in a very good shape. A little bit about me before we proceed further. My background is in commercial property and law. And after a number of years in the law firm environment, I was the General Manager of Property at Foodstuffs for around 10 years, and then I was the Chief Executive of Tremco Group, which is a privately held company managing 3 substantial land portfolios. Since the beginning of 2023, I focus full time on governance. I'm now a professional director and have been mindful of joining businesses where I believe I've got the skill sets, the passion and the time available to add value particularly with a property focus. I now have a complete portfolio. I'm on 3 listed companies, including Vital Healthcare and 3 private companies. I have a head of career of adding value to business through property development, commercial solutions and working for results-focused companies and businesses of scale. And for me, Vital really resonates in this space where the wider health care sector has had a share of challenges. But Vital has demonstrated its resilience and strategic focus throughout. I believe I can continue to contribute to the Board and make value for you and continuing to deliver all of these things well. Thank you for your support. I'm happy to take questions

Graham Stuart

executive
#55

Thank you, Angela. I'll open the floor for questions.

Unknown Shareholder

shareholder
#56

What are the other two listed companies you're on the Board of?

Angela Bull

executive
#57

Infrastructure and Property for Industry.

Graham Stuart

executive
#58

Okay. There being no further questions for Angela. We'll put this to the vote. The vote will be conducted by a poll comprising proxies lodged in advance of the meeting and votes lodged through the forms of those in the room and by the Computershare platform. So while that's occurring, the proxies will be shown on screen. I've been appointed as a proxy to vote and not yet had to vote, and I will vote in favor of the resolution. Once again, if you're online, you can vote by clicking For, Against or Abstain through the Computershare platform. And your vote occurs when the green tick arrives. To change your vote, simply change your vote. If you're attending a person, please pass your vote in the completed form to the Computershare representative. So now while voting is in progress, we have a short video highlighting some of our assets, and it's been recently completed ones and the RDX, which is another construction. I'll give you 15 seconds, 20 seconds advanced notice of when voting will come to a close. [Voting]

Graham Stuart

executive
#59

I declare voting closed. So once again, the results will be released to the Australia Stock Exchange later today. I'll now open the business for any general business -- sorry, the floor open. No? There being no true of the business, I will declare this meeting open (sic) [ closed ], and thank you, everyone, for attending and for the questions and the engagement today. It's your meeting. And thank you for your attendance both online and here in person. We look forward to seeing you and reporting some favorable outcomes in 12 months' time. Thank you.

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