Vitalhub Corp. (VHI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 7, 2026

TSX CA Health Care Health Care Technology earnings 45 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Christian Sgro

executive
#1

Hi. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our 2026 2nd quarter conference call. With me on the call today are Vitalhub's CEO, Dan Matlow; and CFO, Brian Goffenberg. After our prepared remarks, we will open up the line to questions from analysts. [Operator Instructions]. Before we begin, I will read our cautionary note regarding forward-looking information. Certain information to be discussed during this call contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements. For a discussion of these risks and uncertainties, please review the forward-looking statements disclosure in the earnings press release and in our SEDAR filings. As well, our commentary today will include adjusted financial measures, which are non-IFRS measures. These should be considered as a supplement to and not a substitute for IFRS measures. Reconciliations between the 2 can be found in our SEDAR filings. With that, I'll hand the call over to Brian to cover financial highlights for the quarter. Over to you, Brian.

Brian Goffenberg

executive
#2

Thank you, Christian. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today. We are pleased to report the results for the second quarter of 2026. Vitalhub reached a new milestone this quarter exceeding $100 million of annual recurring revenue. We closed June at $101.5 million, representing 10% organic growth over the prior year. Our adjusted EBITDA margin continued to increase sequentially at 26% in the second quarter. Some of the key financial highlights for the quarter are as follows: we reported total revenue of $31.7 million an increase of 33% year-over-year. Recurring revenue or term License Maintenance and Support segment was $24.5 million or 77% of total revenue. Virtual Care term license revenue was $2.3 million. Perpetual license revenue was $800,000. Services, Hardware and other revenue was $4.1 million compared to $2.7 million in the prior year period. Our gross margin was 79% of revenue compared to 81% in the prior year period. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $8.2 million or 26% of revenues as we continue to gain synergies from the acquisitions of induction and vary compared to $6.3 million or 26% of revenue in the prior year period. We closed the quarter with $136.5 million of cash and investments and no debt. We had strong cash conversion this quarter. Our cash balance increased by over $15 million this quarter benefiting from collection activity and continued platform integration. Subsequent to quarter end, we completed the acquisition of Body Healthcare. And post the transaction, we continue to have over $120 million of gas that we reach to deploy on our M&A strategy. As well, with the addition of Buddy Healthcare, pro forma ARR as at June 30, 2026, would have been approximately $106 million. With that, I'd like to hand the call over to Dan for an update on the business.

Daniel Matlow

executive
#3

Thanks, everyone. Welcome today. just on reflecting that it's exciting to see us get over $100 million of recurring and I know our people and our staff. We're really excited about that. I think when we started this 8, 9 years ago, that was a goal, and it's achieved. So just take another one off of the bucket list and would continue to move forward. Just a little bit of it about the Buddy acquisition just before I get into some of the other things. We're really excited about that. It's an organization that we've been speaking to for 4 years. The technology is really strong. They're a group that has entered into the U.K. with it. But it gives us a really strong digital backdoor solution. So we already have a very good digital front door solution with SD that is moving through our markets. And our customers have been asking us to say that's good that you can get us into the hospital into the setting, but what about after we leave, we want to continue to communicate with you. So our plans will be to integrate that with that back to our solution. It also fits in nice with the Strata solution, which does the discharge process. And now we've got a way to communicate with the patients as we go through that discharge. So we expect once we get the technology all integrated and so forth, that will be a good addition into our cross-sell methodology. So it's good people, great technologies, and we're excited to add that piece on to it. In respect to the quarter, in terms of the numbers, you see the recurring recognized recurring growth services revenue a little bit behind the previous quarters, but it still reflects that. Services revenue is always tough to nail at 100%. I think we had a $5 million quarter, a couple of quarters ago and down here, it comes in ebbs and flows just based on revenue recognition and how that gets delivered to the customer. So we're happy with that. And we were happy with the way the virtual care, our renewal process came through about 85% to 9% of that attend anywhere renewal process comes at the end of March. And as you can see, the AR held up pretty hard for that. So we're happy with those outcomes. Revenue contribution came from really all of our products, but mainly from the in the Care Coordination products, the Strata and the Novare product. We're starting to Novare continues to move through Canada. But what we're really excited about is the momentum it's starting to get a little bit in our U.K. marketplaces. A little in other markets. But it's a unique solution, and we're excited and think it has a great opportunity to do that. that the revenue number was offset by still some challenges with our share product and the FCC that's the system control centers with and the FDP and the Palantir based solutions and along with the mergers and acquisitions. So we had some customers that I'm going to say, suspended use during the quarter waiting for the outcome of what's happening with the FDP and Palantir situation just to refresh people. The NHS has a national contract for Palantir. But there's a break clause in that contract in Q1 of 2027 and it's right up at the pomentary level, and indications are suggesting that, that product will be getting removed. And hopefully, that will continue that momentum for us on that food product through the U.K. marketplaces. In addition to that, we still have renewals coming through. So it's just some of our cases. In other cases, they are renewing. It just depends on the ICD and the approach. So it's a little bit just up in the flux, and we keep working on it. But even with that, we see a really good pipeline of all of our other solutions and still expect to continue with our organic growth profile. We've introduced AI products into the marketplaces. There's -- we have the protocoling solution. That started in the Novare product, but we're starting to move that into other products, and we're starting to see some revenue streams from that. And we're really excited about our transcription solutions for our community services base work. We've been working on that for about a couple of quarters that's now in the hands of customers to get ratification on that, and we expect that to start hitting the revenue streams, hopefully, end of this year, but definitely going into next year. we expect that to continue on that place. We're -- we're getting close to the complete integration of the Novare in the induction transaction. And as you can see, our thesis for both of those 2 large acquisitions have come to fruition, our adjusted EBIT is back to 26%. And we're generating some pretty good cash flow. I think I look back about 6 quarters ago, we were generating about $5 million of adjusted EBITDA and we're up over $8 million, and our goal is to continue to get that to grow. That's always been the thesis of the company. So I know there are a lot of question marks by people saying, "Hey, can you -- when we did those two acquisitions. Both of those were losing money at the time of that, and we've managed to integrate them. They're producing new organic revenue and they're adding to the bottom line pretty nicely. So we're excited about what our accomplishment was on that, and we continue to still work on it, but it's getting towards the visibility in terms of trying to get that number back up to the high 20s, which we're at. I also just want to talk about the NCIB. I know as we go through and have met investors, people have asked about that. We have put it in place. We do think our financial results have continued to improve. The stock to some degree, staying still. We think it is a good value for us to -- with lots of cash to start looking at buying back our own stock. So we decided a support to put that in place, and we expect to use it and as we see how the stock is reflected and so forth. So we do have it in place and we're working to do that. We continue to work on M&A deals. We have some large things that we're looking at and some small things. but the activity still seems to be there in that marketplace. And we continue to go and we do expect to do more M&A through 2026 and forward. But yes, we're happy where we are as a company. We're making money. We're growing. We're adding customers. We've got lots of cash for M&A, and we think we're in a good position. And I think we continue to improve our business model, and we're happy with what we've accomplished here. And any questions?

Christian Sgro

executive
#4

[Operator Instructions]. Today's first question comes from Gavin Fairweather with ATB Cormark.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#5

Maybe just on your referral in the U.K., Dan, you mentioned that I think you've had some marquee wins in the U.K. market, which is great. Curious if you've been able to uncover any funding envelopes referral or if this is coming out of general budgets? Do you see the potential for this to become a more strategic priority at the NHS level with some bigger funding attached?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#6

Yes, I do think the NHS is definitely, like other organizations, is looking to integrate and do a lot of different things. I think if you looked at the -- a lot of the parliamentary based approaches and things that NHS is integrating into social care and integrating into after care and rehab facilities has become a big issue, and we're expecting that to help with the state-based solutions to do that. We know by looking at other markets around the world that for all is a needed aspect of it, and we know that the NHS in the U.K. is behind relative to other places of the world, Canada included in those particular markets, and we can see the reactions to -- if we get to the right people on what the power of the solution does and how it can automate some of those things. So it's like anything else in our market is trying to get momentum, and we closed our first deal about 6, 8 months ago, and that's gone live and the natural processes referrals don't necessarily stay in 1 region and across other regions, of course, the 2 regions next to this region have seen what this 1 region is doing. So it only makes sense that those other 2 regions are now interested and we're looking at closing some business with those regions. So we're starting to see the behavior that we want in the test for those referral based products. And our sales force is pretty focused on referral about marketplace. And we are seeing available money for this. The business case is very easily justified for it.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#7

That's great. I appreciate that. And then just on body, I've seen Finland healthcare described as pretty digitally mature. Curious what products you think have maybe greenfield opportunities in Finland where there isn't a big amount of competition?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#8

Yes, I think they have a similar structure to regional base groups, and they've connected regions pretty nice again, we think there's opportunity for the referral-based project products within the Scandinavian-based marketplaces. We also see opportunities for the touch-based suite of products. in those marketplaces. So those would be the ones that we would primarily focus on. But yes, similar markets and Car Group has some pretty good connections to that. The Buddy product has also done some work in Germany, which is interesting, and they've done some work in that marketplace. Again, the biggest area where we see but really having opportunities would be in the Canadian and the U.K. marketplaces. So those are the areas that we focused on. Canada still is lagging behind on the digital backdoor. Based solutions, and this is a pretty comprehensive one in the U.K. is definitely lagging behind on the digital back door solutions. They've really focused on the front door. So we think we got a solution to help fill that happen to move in that traction.

Gavin Fairweather

analyst
#9

Great. And then just lastly for me on the Antero Health deal. Can you just discuss the contribution this quarter to ARR growth? And how would you describe the -- how ramped up you're on ARR versus the initial scope on that deal?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#10

I think clear I think it's adding somewhere between 500,000 to 1 million on a quarterly basis, and we expect that to continue on a ramp up over the next couple of years type of thing.

Christian Sgro

executive
#11

The next question comes from Doug Taylor with National Bank. Doug, your line is open.

Analyst Doug Taylor

analyst
#12

Yes. Thank you. I wanted to drill down a little bit more on the U.K. market. Obviously, the growth there has been flat with some puts and takes. So the question is, with the impact of Shred some of the pause that you're talking about. Is that something that is reflected in the net ARR growth? And you've outgrown it through some other cross-selling? And perhaps you could help us quantify that.

Daniel Matlow

executive
#13

Yes, we definitely took some AR reduction in the quarter with some of the shred work. but that's been offset by other products in that particular marketplace. So we're -- the net is the number that we've gotten here. I don't have the exact numbers my fingertips here, Doug. But yes, there's some of that has gone on.

Analyst Doug Taylor

analyst
#14

And so is the idea here that if you get some sort of resolution on the situation as it relates to Palantir, some of that might rebound in your financials next year.

Daniel Matlow

executive
#15

That's what we're hoping. We're each customer has -- we've really got two different scenarios that are cooking in here. One is we've got these new ICDs that have come together informed. So there's all new people in these particular groups. And then funding isn't really set up in some of these appropriately. So they're going like, well, hang on, there's a renewal here, what's going on here. And we got FTP. We're just going to hold here for a couple of quarters here until we see what's going on. And then reconvene this thing, it's not like they're putting FDP in these places, all of them. They're just saying we've got to suspend this well. In other cases, they're just going on as business as usual and they're renewing their contracts. So we hope within the next couple of quarters to get resolution of that. We -- even if the contracts are new, we still think there's opportunity to continue. And if it's not renewed, we're really excited about that because we continue to grow, but that's a scenario we're facing at right now.

Analyst Doug Taylor

analyst
#16

Okay. That's helpful. Next question, I mean, you described the integration process. for induction Ivaris being substantially complete or approaching completion. And you can see the EBITDA margins here at 26%, as you say, that's been well executed. So the question is, given that EBITDA margins have been higher in the past. I mean, is there something about the way the portfolio sits now or structurally that would prevent you from continuing to march the EBITDA higher from here?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#17

Well, every $1 million of ARR theoretically if we don't add more costs, that's a point of adjusted EBITDA, right? And we're still not completed on the other side of some reductions. There's still some work that's continued to move it, right? So the natural increase of new deals, not only does it increase new deals, it comes to the bottom line as well. So we continue to march on both of those fronts to fine-tune those things, but we continue to work our way through it.

Analyst Doug Taylor

analyst
#18

So summarizing costs transformation work largely done, but further...

Daniel Matlow

executive
#19

There's still work to be done, but we've taken a big chunk out of the apple.

Christian Sgro

executive
#20

Thank you, Doug. The next question comes from Paul Treiber with RBC Securities.

Paul Treiber

analyst
#21

Just, Dan, just now that the company has passed $100 million in ARR, how do you look at the cadence and the drivers of organic growth from here? And what I mean is, does it become less about point solutions, individual point solutions in their growth and more about perhaps like the broader platform in cross-selling? And how does -- how are you sort of shifting the organization to sell to sustain the organic growth as a larger company?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#22

Yes, I think a good point, Paul. I think we are -- the patient care coordination platform as we would describe it, which is really the combination of ZEST strata [indiscernible] in touch and MedCer. We've done work on integrating those products across different worlds. And we've also -- we're also adding AI injection into a lot of those base products. But we are working on moving our sales force into a regional based sales force and giving the most suite of products and merging them together in comprehensive solutions. And we're already seeing that in the field. customers asking for these things to be integrated. So just through osmosis, you get the customer and a customer already has 2 or 3 of those solutions. And they've asked to, "Hey, let's get these things working together, so we work with them in the field. We get it integrated, and then we start integrating into other places. And then we continuously add on other base products. So we are moving into that direction on our patient flow suite of based solutions, and we're starting to see it work in the field. the bigger ticket items and the more complicated ones being the Strata and Novare based implementations, yes, we're starting to see some really nice proposals going out for those products with high ticket and high numbers that get associated with. So we expect those core products to really be our -- most of our engine for our organic growth. We're still seeing work on our treat based product center and community services product set. We've successfully have moved that caseworks products into Australia, and we're having really good success with that product in those marketplaces as well. And we continue to work on those approaches. But essentially, that's how we're seeing it.

Paul Treiber

analyst
#23

That's great to hear. Second question, just on body Healthcare. With the management team on board in a footprint in the region, does that open you up and give you more insight into other acquisitions in the Nordics region? And then how would you describe M&A opportunity in the Nordics compared to other regions?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#24

We've done some work on that. There's a couple of other scenarios that we know of. And the CEO just told me about one other 1 yesterday. So yes, your question is very much done. Again, we our acquisition targets have really, in a lot of cases, are companies that we're well aware of because we work in the same markets and we would compete with them or complement them in many different situations. So every time we enter a new marketplace, we get expertise on that market and how that ecosystem works and what the gaps are in respect to that and those organizations that fill those gaps and what they do. So we'll definitely explore the Nordics marketplace. It is a pretty interesting marketplace. It's very similar to our other government-funded groups between the Scandinavian countries. So we'll continue to explore, and we'll continue to look at it. But yes, that is a byproduct you get by entering into another region is intelligence on that region and how that health care ecosystems are in who the players are in those areas. So we continue to work with it, and you see who's come over from Buddy very excited about the opportunity. He wanted to roll over stock into our organization, and he has and he is excited to help us in the Aus Nordics regions, and that's a good thing.

Christian Sgro

executive
#25

The next question comes from Michael Freeman with Raymond James.

Michael Freeman

analyst
#26

Congrats on the results. First question is I wonder if you could tell us a bit about the -- what you're seeing in the M&A environment right now and the sort of competitive dynamics you're seeing in bids and also, I guess, the pricing environment as you're poking around.

Daniel Matlow

executive
#27

Yes. It's -- it continues to be all over the map as it always has, Michael. And it's hard to predict in terms of everyone is a different world, and it all depends on who the founder is and how the thing is structured and what they are continuing to do. We are seeing more and more organizations that have had investments of some sort where there -- the cash is no longer going and the company is in a little bit of a stagnant standstill state in investors starting to think they want to get their money back. In some -- and then the challenge becomes either prepared to take a haircut on their money because of the valuations that they went into were higher. Buddy is one of those scenarios to a degree. So we continue to see some of those coming to market, but we still see founders and other situations coming to market as well. So it's all over the map relative to it, but probably we are seeing companies that did manage to take on investors potentially going to the market to see what their exits are because there's no more cash to be had in those particular companies. So we are starting to see that.

Michael Freeman

analyst
#28

Okay. Thanks, Dan. And for my next question, I wonder if you could touch on your AI road map and what you're working up with your R&D team and with your customers. I'm happy to hear that some of these have been deployed. Curious if you can just give us the [indiscernible]?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#29

We're really happy with some of the AI progressions we've built in our team. prior sometimes on these acquisitions, as you hear, some technical debt and we've had some projects that have helped us get out of some technical debt by using AI, which has relied some processes. It's helped us in our internal development group, and we continue to embrace it and starting to move in, and we've seen some benefits. We do have capital projects group that we're building in there. we built a protocol in form system, which is used to understand forms and give you AI descriptions on forms. And we look at all of our different products where we can add that is start evolving in the Novare product. I think it's been responsible for getting 2 deals that I know of over the finish line with Novare where radiologists have just loved that feature. So how we continue to do that, and we continue to upsell it to the rest of our Novare base, but now we've added it to other products as an add-on feature. And the other area, which we think we can add substantial revenue as we've taken on the journey of building our own scribing solution for our case management solutions and -- we have a fair amount of users between our 4 or 5 products in that suite that would be clinicians or case workers that would meet with patients all the time that are not using scribing at this point. So we are building our own scribing and we're integrating it into our own product sets, and we expect to get uptake on that product in 2027 with it. So we are adding AI products into the market, and we continue to build that. We're investing in it. And I think it's interesting to note that we are up to the 26% level. on the bottom line, and we've been investing in AI continuously and still supporting that number. So we're happy with what's going on in that group.

Michael Freeman

analyst
#30

All right. That's helpful to understand. Last question for me. Are there any -- perhaps outside of the U.K., are there any material that are coming down the pipeline are there that you're preparing to respond to now? We're starting to see some interest in the U.S. marketplace with our STRATA solution. through some groups. And it's still early to tell that, but we're seeing some pretty interesting responses on that. And in that. So we're -- we do have a U.S. group in with Strata with the search business when we decided to move the core referral management product into the U.S. marketplace and early indications are that we got something that's a little unique and in certain scenarios. So we're -- we continue to move on that front to explore what we can do to build that path that would open up an interesting market place so if we could start getting some references to there, which I think we will. Now in the -- does that provide an opening for other products to be introduced into the U.S.? Or is this a very strategy specific -- we have to be really careful. I think you can start with I think we are starting to add the patient engagement part of the Buddy product on to the other side of Strata. So as you get discharged, which it and refer to another area, the patient can be in the stream of the discharge to do that. So we're integrating those into one product, an example being a patient gets referred to of a hospital to a hospice and a lot -- most of the hospice is home care right now. So the referral goes into hospice, but we take the patient and the family all the way through that journey. By having an engagement platform in an app that they can download all the way through the process. And we allow the patient family to communicate with their caretakers during the whole end-of-life process. So before I think we got about 20 different hospices on the Strata platform that we do referral management based world to, and we came up with that new idea in the U.K., and we've implemented it now, and now we're rolling that we're looking to all the other ones to add that feature to it, right? So always on the other side of a referral, there's a whole patient engagement world on it, and that's just an example of 1 of the upsell platforms that we could add to the marketplace. So as we move into the U.S., with that, maybe there's an opportunity there, who knows, but it's still early days.

Christian Sgro

executive
#31

Next question comes from Kevin Krishnaratne with Scotia Capital.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#32

This is Richard on for Kevin. Just a quick question. I know you haven't provided any formal guidance on ARR growth, but I think you've been comfortable with it being in the low double-digit range. So I was just wondering if you have any thoughts on near term on where that's heading and you've -- I know that you've currently been running in the 10% to 11% range this year. And I was just curious on where that goes.

Daniel Matlow

executive
#33

Yes. It's really the wildcard with this FTP stuff that's going on, and that's really a Colby account to do that. But we still feel comfortable with the rest of our business that we -- even with that headwind that we should still be in the range where we were this quarter and above it for sure. So we continue to work with that. And we continue to work with the cards that were being dealt on that particular scenario. But even with that scenario where we're still getting 10%, 11% organic growth. So we're happy with that and the bottom line has come to the other side. So we continue to do that. And do you have any thoughts on capital allocation, particularly the balance between M&A and buybacks given your recently introduced NCIB Yes. At the core of what we are, we're -- we clearly buy up to 5%, right? So we're still sitting at a probably it's getting back up to the $130 million level even after the Buddy acquisition bids, we continue to produce cash. But, yes, I think we're definitely focused on M&A as our biggest thing. I think that's our best return for our shareholders. in the long run. But at these levels, I think we can do both and that's sort of what we decided at the Board meeting.

Christian Sgro

executive
#34

The next question comes from David Kwan with TD Securities.

David Kwan

analyst
#35

Just maybe getting back to the last question on the buybacks. Dan, so it sounds like once it gets approved, if the shares are still kind of at these levels, you'll be active with the buyback?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#36

Yes, I think we -- I think we discussed that at the Board and we'll continue to look at things as they continue to progress. But I don't want to commit to anything, but that could be the world that would go into as we go forward.

David Kwan

analyst
#37

Yes. Just wondering in terms of the buyback, even if you kind of max it out, you'd still have a lot of cash left over. So it seems like you could be active on both fronts.

Daniel Matlow

executive
#38

Well, I think we can to, David, and sort of the thought process on missing. With that being said, there's always larger transactions that are floating around where that might not be enough cash. So it's just weighing all those into the equation based on what's going on in our particular world. So we're constantly exploring it and making the proper decisions, which would be in the proper which we think would be the right for our shareholders. So we continue to look at it. And based on how we're doing now in terms of the level of the acquisitions that we've been making, we definitely do got enough to continue to do that. So that would be the case. But something larger is progressing and that may change that thought process.

David Kwan

analyst
#39

That's helpful. And when you talk about the M&A and larger deals, like are we talking stuff that could be meaningfully larger than Novare, are we kind of looking at on Novare type deals?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#40

I think meaningful larger than Novare to a degree, not that much larger but meaningful larger, I think.

David Kwan

analyst
#41

That's helpful. Just one or two more questions here. Getting back on the AI. Can you talk about -- to what extent are you seeing customers adopting AI? Like how quickly are they? And to what extent customers are kind of working with you to help fund projects that might be more specific to their use cases their needs, but maybe that also can be leveraged to other customers?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#42

Yes. Every single one of our AI projects are being done based off of customer input into the equation and not just 1 customer, multiple customers so that we actually get a feel for, does it add value in and what it's going to cost us to deliver and do they got the funding to deliver it. There's definitely a lot of intrigue within our customer base. There's also a fair amount of uncertainty in respect to things like privacy, security, compliance, regulatory-based approvals. The one area that definitely is the most adopted areas, the transcription side of the business. I think we see that all the way through. We've already seen that through the GP marketplaces with like the adoption of Heidi and things like that in the GP world. But there's lots of other caregivers that aren't there. And I think in the hospital setting, the big EHRs, we'll do those. But in the community social services area, we are the record of that the caregivers use. So they're looking for us to provide that transcription services. So we believe that's our lowest hanging fruit out of all of our projects to go get revenue. The other stuff is really working between the scenes and its injection into our applications. And we think we see things in our med current base where AI can help speed up the delivery of that clinical decision support system. We see things in our patient engagement platforms and so forth, where AI can do some things. So we continue to work with our group. It's not like they're screaming at the door saying, "Hey, we need this stuff tomorrow. That's not how our markets work. It's a little slow in bureaucratic, which is both a blessing and a curse, but it is the market that we deal with. So in terms of the transcription side, we definitely think, as soon as we get that product into the marketplace, we would like to think there's going to be adoption if we can create it properly and price it properly for our base.

David Kwan

analyst
#43

No, that makes sense. And maybe one last question for Brian. Just on the gross margin side, it was a bit weaker than what we were looking at, especially given the revenue mix. So wants to know if there was anything in particular that was worth flagging and how we should be looking at gross margins going forward?

Brian Goffenberg

executive
#44

No. I think we're still, I think, continue to be probably to be the 80% line. If you look at Q2, Q1, we were a little bit higher. And so overall, for the 6 months, it's been the 80% range. We, as Dan said earlier, some of the services revenue was a little bit lower, and that's kind of lower-margin stuff, you'll probably see that improve as we go forward.

Daniel Matlow

executive
#45

I think, David, part of the timing of services revenue where you get the revenue to match the expense is sometimes challenging. So we may incur expense on services revenue, but because we haven't hit a particular milestone, we haven't recognized the revenue accordingly for it yet. So we get the expense without the revenue in other quarters, we get it's the other way around, right? So sometimes the timing of that sort of just offsets that a little bit, but it should always be in that range.

Christian Sgro

executive
#46

The next question comes from Justin Keywood with Stifel.

Justin Keywood

analyst
#47

Understand that the cost side of the recent large M&A in 2025 has largely been integrated. But I was hoping to get an update on how the cross-sales opportunity is going with Novare Health and in particular, the opportunity within the subsegment of the Canadian Mental Health institutes where I understand that Novare has a substantial market share. But some of the competing options are not nearly at the level of functionality, including also just, frankly, some paper-based processes that are still being utilized. So just seeing how that sales opportunity is and what the TAM could be for the subsegment.

Daniel Matlow

executive
#48

Yes. Well, we're pretty active in the mids of Holt world because we own the predominary EHRs in that world, right? So we both Strata and or both have footprints in the mental half referral basis depending on what the different scenarios are [indiscernible], I think, a few years back, did the mental health referral business for CAMH and that's where a lot of that expertise was done, and they continue to have a footprint in those particular levels. Part of that is being addressed with the provincial-based transaction, and there's other opportunities all across Canada in the mental health world. The -- then the two implementations we've sold in the U.K. have been in the medical health based area as well, and we continue to see some stuff on that. So you're right, they have developed some pretty strong workflows. And we have added to that expertise by having our own EHRs in that space. So connecting our EHRs to their referral management so it is something that our customers like, and we continue to do that.

Justin Keywood

analyst
#49

That's helpful. Maybe just a follow-up. Epic, are they pretty active in the Canadian Mental Health area? And how do you see that competitor?

Daniel Matlow

executive
#50

Yes, I don't see [indiscernible] has not done anything in the Canadian. They just sell to the per hospital. [indiscernible] they probably would cover off a little bit on the mental hotbeds within hospitals, but they're not focused on community agencies, met-the-based world, that's not what they do. Whatever mental health care hospitals like we have like there's about 3 or 4 different hospitals across Canada or across Ontario MediTech seems to be the vendor that runs those bigger organizations to do that. But on the community and social services side, I think we would be the predominant vendor that would do that work.

Brian Goffenberg

executive
#51

Thanks, Justin. There are no further questions at this time. I'll hand the call back to you, Dan, for any closing remarks.

Daniel Matlow

executive
#52

Yes. I think the best thing to look from that quarter is -- we've always said this, we like organic wealth, we want organic growth, and we push organic growth, but at the core of what this business is really -- is cash flow driving in earnings on the other side. And as you guys can see, we're back executing on that side of the equation as we continuously always will and we're starting to see that come through. And we continue to take our organic growth as it comes to us and as to the bottom line. But yes, we're excited to get our adjusted EBITDA up there. We're excited to start seeing cash flow and we're excited about the suite of solutions that we've accumulated in how those are starting to come together as comprehensive solutions. So we continue to work, and we continue to progress in that space, and we continue to look at M&A and another quarter is behind us, and we look forward to the next one. So thanks, everyone, for attending today.

Christian Sgro

executive
#53

This now concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining. Bye-bye.

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