Vodacom Group Limited (VOD) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 23, 2020
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Operator
operatorWelcome to the Vodacom Group Limited results conference call for the quarter-ended June 30, 2020. Vodacom Group CEO, Shameel Joosub, will host the conference call. I will read the forward-looking disclaimer before handing over to Shameel. This announcement, which sets out the results of Vodacom Group Limited for the quarter-ended 30 June 2020 contains forward-looking statements. These statements have not been reviewed or reported on by the group's auditors with respect to the group's financial condition, results of operations and businesses and certain of the group's plans and objectives. In particular, such forward-looking statements include statements relating to the group's future performance, future capital expenditures, acquisitions, divestitures, revenues, expenses, financial conditions, dividend policy and future prospects, business and management strategies relating to the expansion and growth of the group; the effects of regulation of the group's businesses by the governments in the countries in which it operates; the group's expectations as to the launch and rollout date of products, services or its technologies; expectations regarding the operating environment and market conditions; growth in customers and usage and the rate of dividend growth by the group. If you do not have a copy of the results announcement, it is available on the Investor Relations website on www.vodacom.com. Please go ahead, sir.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveThank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and good morning to those joining the call in the U.S. I'm joined by Sitholizwe Mdlalose, our Interim CFO; and Shaun Biljon, our Head of Investor Relations. In quarterly results, we will only focus on revenue and key performance indicators today. As with prior quarterly results, Safaricom does not report on its performance, so we will therefore not be disclosing an update on their results during this call. Our results for this quarter were impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic, both positively and negatively. The South African business was resilient and delivered strong growth in service revenue despite the price reductions introduced on first of April. Our International operations were however, impacted by the lower economic activity, free or discounted peer-to-peer transfers in M-Pesa and customer registration requirements in Tanzania. Having a diversified portfolio resulted in the group benefiting from currency changes, pushing revenue up by 5.6% and service revenue up by 7.6%. Normalized growth was 1.3% for revenue and 2.6% for service revenue. Let's take a look at the South African segment. Service revenue increased 6.4%, driven by strong customer revenue growth of 4.3%. This was supported by the good uptick in data demand, with this increased usage offsetting the impact from a price reduction on our 30-day bundles from first of April. The demand for data increased in the quarter as people worked, entertained and studied from home during the various phases of the lockdown period. Data traffic doubled in the quarter and usage per smart device grew 75% year-on-year and 22% from the March 2020 quarter to 2.2 gigabytes per user. There are now 13.2 million 4G devices connected on to our network, an increase of almost 30% year-on-year. The overall trends in the contract customer segment improved with revenue growing at 3.4% and customers up 2.9% to 6.1 million customers. We offered a number of data products to support businesses to work from home and to assist schools and universities to continue education initiatives. Performance in the prepaid segment also improved with the customer -- with customer revenue growth of 5%. A significant growth in ARPU of 20.8% was added by the lower customer base in the quarter due to store closures and movement restrictions, which led to decrease in gross connections during the period, while you would still have had the churn from prior periods taking effect. The higher spend was partly due to telcos benefiting from a larger share of wallet during the lockdown period and our deliberate approach to increase active days and pick up opportunities, specifically around working and educating from home. Our growth in data bundle sales were driven by both lower data prices during the quarter and lockdown-related increase in demand. Following our price changes since the beginning of the year, we note that most customers continue to spend at a similar or better levels than previously, benefiting from higher allocation of data at these price points. On enterprise and wholesale segment, which now accounts for 27.2% of service revenue, this grew by 13.1%. This was driven by an increase in the take-up of MBB contracts and APN access as well as national roaming revenue. Please be reminded that from next quarter, the transition between roaming partners will be in the base of growth, will be moderated during the year. We were able to increase our homes and businesses connected to just over 79,000, up 121%. Financial services recorded ZAR 540 million in revenue in the quarter, growing by 10.9%. The air time value by the app almost doubled from the last quarter as customers are using this more convenient means to recharge and make bill payments. We advanced ZAR 2.8 billion in airtime via the Airtime Advance platform to 9.3 million customers, 38% of all the charges happened through Airtime Advance. Insurance growth continues with revenue increasing 8.2%. We also entered an exciting new partnership with Alipay to further the financial services strategy, which I will talk about towards the end of the call. Our International operations were impacted by the subdued economic activities as a result of slowed trading activities during the pandemic. We also discounted peer-to-peer services in M-Pesa to enable social distancing as a method of contactless payment which had an impact on M-Pesa revenue growth. In Tanzania, the barring of services to customers due to the biometric customer registration requirements in Q4 last year impacted its service revenue growth as expected. Data continues to perform well, supported by network investment and the expansion of 4G. This culminated in service revenue growth of 10.7% for the portfolio, emphasizing the rand benefits from these operations despite a decline of 5.3% on a constant currency basis. Our International operations contributed 30.2% to group service revenue. Data customers increased 5.2% to 20 million, representing 53% of our customers with data services. Data traffic was up 44.3% in the International segment, driven by the need to work from home. Mobile financial services revenue from M-Pesa reduced in the quarter due to low economic activity and movement restrictions in several of our markets. Active M-Pesa customers increased by 3.5% to 14.7 million. M-Pesa revenue grew 17% and declined 3.1% on a normalized basis, representing 18.7% of service revenue. We expect this to recover as free services are reduced during the next couple of months and economy start recovering. We processed $3.5 billion in value of M-Pesa transactions per month during this quarter. As a reminder, these M-Pesa numbers exclude Safaricom. So this illustrates the scale of what we have on M-Pesa outside of Kenya. We invested ZAR 803 million in capital expenditure in the quarter as we expanded our 4G rollout. We now have just over 2,900 4G sites across our international operations. Before I conclude for questions, I'll just give a quick update on some of the regulatory matters. One of the most pertinent issues in Tanzania has been biometric customer registration. After barring 2.9 million customers last quarter, we reconnected 745,000. Since April, the Tanzania Regulatory Authority suspended further services barring due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Currently, we have 1.9 million SIM cards, generating more than TZS 4 billion or almost ZAR 30 million per month that remained non biometrically registered. We await further instructions from the TCRA with regards to the barring of services to the remaining non biometrically registered SIM cards. There were further regulations in SIM card ownership on the first of July 2020. The TCRA issued a public release of required customers who biometrically registered more than 1 SIM card per service provider to verify the SIM ownership by 31st of July 2020 through their mobile phones. A customer may request an approval for additional SIM cards to service providers retail outlets, and we've just gone live with an automated USSD solution where customers can initiate the approval from their phones. This is a better process than the manual process originally envisaged and a better outcome than what was originally anticipated. In South Africa, to support the increase in network demand, ICASA allocated temporary access to spectrum which is available until the end of November or can be extended until just before the auction takes place. We have used the temporary spectrum to alleviate capacity issues where possible at the 3.5 gigahertz allocated spectrum to fast track our 5G launch and support the initial rollout. This is assisting us in getting real-world learnings of this new technology before spectrum allocation later in the year. ICASA is also making progress in allocating high-demand spectrum. By all accounts, from public statements made by them, they are still aiming to complete this process by the end of the year, while the one licensing will only happen in the following year. We expect the ITA in the next few weeks, which will provide more clarity on the spectrum lots and pricing. And finally, I'm happy to announce our partnership with Alipay to launch a super app in South Africa, which will allow customers to pay via the app, make peer-to-peer money transfers, borrow via the app, invest, do online shopping, stream music, watch movies, play games, book, travel and movies, hail taxis and Ubers without leaving there, all enhanced with in-app advertising, promotions, gifting and more. This is the first time Alipay, with 1.2 billion users worldwide, has partnered with a company they don't have equity in. Overall, this will help us to accelerate our financial services strategy in South Africa. This concludes my comments and Sitholizwe and I are now ready for any questions.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Preshendran Odayar of Nedbank CIB.
Preshendran Odayar
analystJust 3 quick questions from me. Nonservice revenue, can you give us a bit of color of what's in there and what's driving -- sorry, not nonservice revenue -- sorry, what's other nonservice revenue, what was driving that 76% increase? And what is in those numbers? The other 2 questions I have. One is, can you give us some color on what happened to voice usage in the quarter, considering this was the first quarter reported in South Africa lockdown. So what has happened there? And then the last question is, can you tell us how much enterprise is contributing to South Africa's service revenue in these quarterly numbers?
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveThanks for the question. So non-service revenue is really driven by 2 elements. So the first is we had a 22.5% decline in our equipment revenue, which was as a result of lower sales during the lockdown period on our handsets that did pick up towards the end of the quarter. So we're happy with our exit rates. The second element of that, which partly offset, if you're looking at that from a quarter-on-quarter basis, is an increase in our sites rental, which is coming through from higher sites on -- that Rain have with us. We've moved up from about 3,100 sites in prior quarter to 5,300 sites. On voice, what we saw is, firstly, as we went into lockdown in April, we saw voice dipped slightly. However, post that, what we've seen for the quarter as a whole, is that voice did pick up. And on a year-on-year basis for Q1, our voice revenue was up 5%.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveI think the important point is that we, in the month of May and June, we saw our highest voice revenue that we had for a period of over 17 months. So for some reason, people decided to talk a lot in May and June, and that seems to -- so in April, they were talking as much, but then they suddenly started talking a lot more in May and June. In terms of enterprise, the enterprise and wholesale segment constitutes 27.2% of service revenue in the quarter, and that grew by 13.1%. Remember in those numbers is also the impact of the roaming revenue, which came in from July last year or the uptick of having Telkom fully on board came in for July last year. So the numbers in the quarter, both for enterprise and overall, is boosted by that. So the growth rates will taper down slightly by about 1.3% as we go into the following quarter because of the lapping of roaming revenue.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Jonathan Kennedy-Good of Standard Bank.
Jonathan Kennedy-Good
analystJust to follow up on your -- on this non-service revenue growth, which I think was 76%. And you mentioned Rain and the increased cycle rollouts. Should we expect a similar kind of increase in the cost of roaming going forward as you experienced in the revenue line? That's question one. And then just want to get a sense from you on the CapEx side with the data traffic growth, what's capacity looking like? And does it affect your absolute rand CapEx envelope for the year? And then just one other thing was the prepaid subscriber numbers declining and the daily active users are stable or slightly up, should we expect lower subscriber acquisition costs as a result of declining gross connections? And is this kind of a change in how connections are churned in the market? Or is it just a lockdown impact?
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveThanks. I'll take those. I think with Rain, what you will see, while we have the other revenue and the other income, we'll equally have a cost coming through a cost line flowing through on direct cost, which largely, from an EBITDA perspective, will be neutral. However, it does provide a slight drag on margin, potentially something around 0.3 percentage points on a full year basis in terms of the incremental Rain sites that we've taken on. With regards the prepaid, what we did see was ultimately, as Shameel said, towards the start of the lockdown period, due to some of the mobility issues, store closures, et cetera, you did have low gross additions. And as a result, that does give us some of the acquisition cost savings. However, what we have seen is all of that starting to come back sort of May into June and July looks fairly strong as well. So the exit run rates are back to sort of normalized levels of what we'd expect on our gross connections.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOn prepaid. On contract, it's still slightly lower, but we're also seeing lower churn than what we would normally experience across the base. Also important to note, when you look at the customer base and why it's down, because remember, you've got this high-growth effect on what I call the washing machine part, what COVID has done is help to solve some of those issues. Although you have the churn coming through from previous quarters, the lower growth will also result in lower churn in the later quarters. So you had less, shall we say, fictitious SIMs. And therefore, you've also seen a nice jump in the -- so firstly -- sorry, firstly, important to note that the 30-day active customer base has continued to increase, that's one, as you would have seen in our announcements. And so that's the one part. But also it's given that a rise to a jump in ARPU of 20%.
Jonathan Kennedy-Good
analystSo as you say, these gross connections coming down, I mean, should we -- could there be lower subscriber acquisition costs going forward? Or was that not a permanent feature of the market now? No.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveNo. So what's happened is you'll have a bit of lower gross connections in contract. But what we're also doing is make sure that we're increasing our in-contract customer base, which then also has an impact on churn reduction. And so what we're saving on the one side, we're investing into retention to make sure that, in the end, we have positive customer base growth.
Jonathan Kennedy-Good
analystAnd then just a follow-up on the data traffic impact on CapEx.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveSo your CapEx for the year will probably be at a lower rate than the normal CapEx that we invest in South Africa, specifically. We've toned down the CapEx a little bit this year given some of the pressures on -- or rather some of the issues that we were anticipating with COVID that so far isn't materialized.
Jonathan Kennedy-Good
analystRight. And so network capacity is fine despite the traffic growth?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveYes. So capacity-wise, I mean, we basically front-ended some CapEx investment to make sure that we could cope with the capacity. And we're using a combination of, of course, additional CapEx investment or, let's say, our normal CapEx investment for capacity. We're also using the Rain spectrum or the Rain roaming, if we can put it that way. And we're using the temporary spectrum all to cope with the additional traffic.
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveJust to add to that on the CapEx, equally in this quarter, just a reminder, we have invested to ensure that the availability of our network remains high, so a lot in our battery rollout program to ensure that we can cope with any further SCOM loadshedding periods.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Slava Degtyarev of Goldman Sachs.
Slava Degtyarev
analystA couple of questions. Firstly, how do you see competitive environment during Q1? Has that become more rational? And is there any increased competition as lockdown measures are lifted? And secondly, on your opportunities with regards to the Alipay agreement. What are the couple of most exciting pillars within that agreement in your view? And would you expect any impact to be visible already in the near to medium term?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOkay. So I think on the -- so in terms of competition, I think a lot more rational. I mean firstly, us and MTN having both reduced prices. I think we both had to deal with that issue. COVID gave us the in-bolt, I call it in-bolt elasticity. So normally, remember what would happen is you would go negative and then you recover it over a period of 4 to 5 months, you try and get that usage back. COVID is that the effect of -- despite the price drops giving us enough traffic increase to offset those impacts. Yes, so that was quite positive and quite strong. And yes, so in terms of -- but generally, the market seems to be a lot more rational in terms of -- during this period. Telkom has actually pushed some prices up. And Cell C, I think, has its issues, so no more aggression or no more say aggressive offers or anything coming from that part. Also remember, us and MTN have moved the level down in terms of pricing. So any pricing gaps that would have existed has been narrowed between us and the smaller competitors. So that's one. And I think that probably played in our favor as well during the quarter, being more competitive during a crisis, I think, has turned out to be a very good thing. In terms of the Alipay agreement, I think hugely exciting for us. In terms of that, we now have access to the best tech in the world. And this super app will have the ability to aggregate a lot of the different services. From the app, you pay, you lend, you'll save, you'll invest, you get entertained. So if -- the way to think about it is multiple different merchants exposing their services through the app. It will be 0 rated within the app and you'll be able to access all kinds of things. The beauty of the service is that you never leave the app. So we haven't done a deal with Uber yet, but just using Uber as an example, you'll be able to book an Uber from the app itself without leaving the app. You'll also be able to do -- if you don't have money, we could advance you the Uber ride. So these are the type of services. Payments and lending will be into everything, but it's a full ecosystem in lifestyle app. Very interesting. If you haven't had an exposure to Alipay or WeChat Pay, interesting to download one of those or Paytm, which is an Alipay partner, to actually see how the app works. So you'll shop, you'll also shop from the app, so your online shopping everything from clothing to groceries to merchandise will be done from the app itself. So a very, very rich ecosystem, more boosted by very good data analytics, pop-up promotions, gifting. So it's got a -- it's -- we did some serious homework in terms of identifying what the best deck is and then decided to implement the full platform in South Africa. And we're looking at implementing elements of the platform on top of our M-Pesa platform as well.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Siphamandla Shozi of Coronation Fund Managers.
Siphamandla Shozi
analystGreat update. My question is, I guess, probably a little bit harder to even know what the answer is, but let me just try. I mean you've -- we've had this benefit now over the past quarter of COVID, with people working from home and traffic almost exploding in your network. Now I mean there's this other leg that you talk about, which is the economic leg where people don't have jobs and they don't have income and you don't know when that is going to come through. But you had, call it, a few weeks of the economy sort of like opening up and all of that. So my question is have you seen like a slowdown or sort of almost like a cliff in terms of traffic or in terms of ARPU, which gives you an idea of what's going to happen over the next few months, given the fact that the wallets -- or the competing services for the consumers' wallet will also increase over -- as we have opened up? So just maybe a bit of color of how you are thinking about it in terms of the economic challenges?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveI think with caution. And what I'm going to say now I will caveat with caution in inverse commerce. So what we've seen so far in July is not a slowdown, okay? The trends seem to continue. That said, remember that you have to back out the -- about at least 1.3% of roaming benefit in the quarter. That's one. But I think the important thing is, so far, so good. Trends are continuing. There will be -- and I think it's also important to just note a few things. I think consumer wallet spend, what's changed is where people were spending the money on travel and driving to work and these type of things, the new modus operandi of staying connected is data. So you have to connect somehow and to connect to the world and be able to continue to work. So that's the positive part, I think. And from that perspective, I think it's been strong. What we've also done, I think, proactively from the start, is look at our -- look at the opportunities around the pandemic. And one is what I call hyper personalization. So segmenting the base a lot more, understanding if a person is 10 days active, 15 days active. And we're busy implementing this across all the markets. And then more targeted network segmentation and offers to those customers. Also products like Airtime Advance is now 38% of our revenue, also helped with people who were using advances to access their time. So it's been very positive in that respect. And we're trying to make sure that we find new initiatives to continue some of the momentum. I can [ be it ] quite heavily because you don't really know what's going to happen on the positive front. Alcohol being banned is positive. Some of the social grants benefits that have been given to people is positive. The interest rate continuous cuts, including the ones today, is positive. On the negative side, job losses, I would say, it's probably the biggest impact and what would that impact really be. So I think we are claiming a bigger share of wallet at this stage. And hopefully, that continues. Yes, so we'll have to -- we're kind of making sure we can pick up all the opportunities around it. But yes, it's a little bit uncertain, still, to be honest.
Siphamandla Shozi
analystOkay. Just a follow-up on that. Maybe if you can, maybe comment just roughly what sort of the debtors or the contract booked in terms of cancellations and nonpayments, that sort of thing? And then lastly, what do you think is -- is Cell C going to come through in terms of roaming? I mean there were rumors that you might get. Just maybe an update on that?
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveThanks. Maybe let me take the first one on bad debt. So I think what we're seeing is obviously quite a lot of pressure on -- particularly in the enterprise segment on small to medium enterprises. So obviously, they've suffered quite a bit under the lockdown regime. So a few of those who haven't been able to trade in various sectors, obviously, under massive pressure. But we're seeing that pressure come through in terms of ability to pay. We're obviously working with all our customers in trying to set appropriate payment plans where possible and see how we can be creative around ensuring that they're able to continue to receive the services that they require to get back on their feet while making it sustainable for them to play in the long term. On our consumer customers, we have noticed a slight increase in pressure on settling accounts. It's not incredibly higher than our expectations at this stage, but we expect it will play a little bit of a feature as we go into quarter 2 and as we close H1.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveWhat was the second part of your question, Siphamandla?
Siphamandla Shozi
analystIt was Cell C roaming agreement, whether you're going to get more out of it. I remember there was a talk that you might. Just maybe an update of where that is.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveYes, Siphamandla. So the Cell C is still quite open at this point. So once we've got updates that we can go to the market on that, we'll let you know.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Dilya Ibragimova of Citi.
Dilya Ibragimova
analystI had a question on Alipay partnership that you've announced. Is it -- maybe just structurally, have you done it between South African entity and Alipay? Or is it something that you're doing via M-Pesa global? And how are you thinking? It's interesting that you're having the investor as a tool for P2P and everything you going for a very tacky franchise. Is there -- do you see an opportunity for M-Pesa maybe to learn and adapt some of the tech side from the partnership you're announcing maybe to kind of -- could become a -- whether you see this as an opportunity for M-Pesa to step up on the technological side as well? Any color will be appreciated.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOkay. So yes. Perfect. I think twofold. One is, remember now M-Pesa is now jointly owned by Safaricom and Vodacom. We bought that from Vodafone. And effectively, that -- or that's where we develop the central product road map, optimize CapEx and so on, yes. What -- so that's the first part. The second part is the deal that is being done is a South African deal and not for M-Pesa, but there will be elements that will be used in M-Pesa and I'll explain the difference why. So -- but let me first explain what we've done. So in South Africa, of course, what -- the way we structured the deal is by, as you say, putting in the best deck. But this opens up a lifestyle platform and a super app capability which is not what M-Pesa does today. The difference between the 2, this is an open service, I call it like an iOS or a Google store with multiple different players selling their products through the platform and you're always taking your cut, if we can put it that way, yes. And it's a very rich experience, highly data analytics and so on. So part of the logic is that we try the services in South Africa first, and we'll go for the full -- because we didn't have an M-Pesa platform in South Africa, it was much easier to do the transition to say let's implement a full platform. Also, smartphone penetration in South Africa is a lot higher. And what we've been doing over the period of the last 2 years is also by building some of the underlying capabilities that will form and help complement the end platform. So example is we've launched VodaLend. Another example is -- is that we have our own Android point-of-sale devices in the market from which you can lend from the device, you can lend from the device and so on. And most importantly, you can do QR payments from the device. We have our own payment gateway that we've established. So these things help to create a lot of the success. And of course, we're now building all the lending products and options and so on from there. So that gives us the ability to leverage this platform given the smartphone penetration in the country a lot higher. So that's the one. The second part is on M-Pesa. What we've done is, firstly, we want to upgrade the current platform from what we call G2 to G3, which is -- it's a Huawei platform that will be upgraded. And then effectively, on top of that, we will then implement what we call the mini apps capability from the end platform or from the Alipay platform, and that will give us a similar type of experience to what we have in South Africa. But also, it will also give us clear learnings. If the platform works, let's say, we can then share best practice between the 2. And I think that's going to leave us into a very good place. But also, I think the way to think about it is what we do in South Africa is where the evolution of M-Pesa will go to, which is the full lifestyle capabilities.
Dilya Ibragimova
analystOkay. So just to confirm, so for the vision for M-Pesa is still to have it as a product across the sub-Saharan or East Africa footprint, well, in sub-Saharan footprint, and it will evolve into more open and lifestyle products in the future.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveCorrect. So M-Pesa will evolve to what we're launching in South Africa, right? So I mean, we're evolving M-Pesa, of course, the lending part, all of those, things like Songesha and Fuliza, we're now launching in all the markets over to our facilities, expanding our merchant capability in all the markets and so on. But we're using the lifestyle full platform capability that we launched in South Africa almost as the learning to what we're going to do with M-Pesa in the rest of the markets. But we see it going the same way, open, thousands of vendors selling through the platform as opposed to what we do now, which is -- we have a few vendors for each service.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Sunil Rajgopal of HSBC.
Sunil Rajgopal
analystI just have maybe 2 questions. One is a clarification on the voice revenue trends in South Africa. If I heard it right, was it 5% year-on-year growth in terms of the voice revenues? And regarding that, what are you seeing in terms of the voice trends starting from July? And how do you think things will pace out for the year? And secondly, on Alipay, is there something more that you can add in terms of economics or how we would monetize it -- monetize the partnership? And also, I mean, how should we be thinking about, I mean, the logistics side of the probably when you start -- when you put in all the super -- within the super app and you put in all the applications of e-commerce or m-commerce? Is Vodacom also talk -- I mean, thinking about, let's say, going into logistics business?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveSo let me start with that one. No, we're not going into logistics and so on. It's -- it's a marketplace, actually. So what it does is -- so I mean, firstly, like all your online platforms, we'll be able to sell their products to the platform. You'll be able to see, look at a product, look at the advertising of our product, see a video on the product and then decide to purchase the product, but also lend against the product, okay? So you'll be able to pay it off in installments and that type of thing. So that's the one. The actual delivery and so on still happens through that channel and I think through the particular retailer and so on. So example would be, if you had a grocer like, say, Pick n Pay or Woolies on the platform, their ordering and everything will go through the platform. So it's essentially creating a mini app, which allows them to expose all their products within our platform and create experience where you don't need the platform. The actual deliveries and so on will still be done by the respective partner. And this is -- and these are proven use cases that have been adopted across Asia through the Alipay. Remember, they've got multiple countries in which they've launched Alipay into, with different partners from India to Pakistan to Bangladesh to Korea to Thailand and so on and so on.
Shaun Biljon
executiveSunil, we don't disclose the separate revenue lines anymore in terms of revenue and data since we moved to IFRS 15. But Sitho will just give you some color on the voice revenue, the voice traffic trends that he was discussing earlier.
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveYes. Sorry. Sunil, that 5% is actually voice traffic has gone up 5% for the quarter. So that's -- that's really obviously from -- sort of got stronger in May and June and quite weak in April, but we came back and rebounded in May and June. So that's on voice traffic to 5%.
Sunil Rajgopal
analystSure. And I mean, what have you seen starting in July in terms of the -- how voice traffic is shaping up? Any color on that would be useful.
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveYes. It's still early. But I think what we're seeing is we're seeing the trend holding on voice traffic. And I think both on voice and data, we seem to have reached a bit of a plateau in terms of the initial growth that we took on pre-COVID going into -- sorry, pre lockdown going into lockdown. So the trends are holding. But still that is sort of, call it, kind of 20% above your pre lockdown volumes.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from [ Shamila Vanderwaal ] of Oasis.
Unknown Analyst
analystThis is [ Timo ] from Oasis, and I have 2 questions for us. My first question is regarding if the services of Alipay will be rolled out to all the markets of Vodacom? Or are they being rolled out initially in South Africa only? And my second question is if it is going to cannibalize the existing user base of M-Pesa and the revenues of M-Pesa? And if there is a figure that you can guys put to the cannibalization of the existing user base of all the leverages. That's it.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveSorry, if I understood, your -- the line wasn't very clear, if I understood the question, it was is Alipay being rolled out to all the markets. One. And two, you were worried about the revenue cannibalization on the services, is that right?
Unknown Analyst
analystCannibalization caused to the M-Pesa services of Vodacom by the Alipay services.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOkay. Okay. So just to be clear, the Alipay services are not being rolled out in the other markets. And just to be also clear, there's no revenue shares on this. It's a pure vendor agreement where basically software and effectively what a normal purchase of software and maintenance agreements around it. So there's no revenue shares whatsoever in South Africa or in the International markets. The full platform will be rolled out in South Africa. Elements of it or specific services which is, of course, much cheaper and so on. But again, on a software purpose will be rolled out for M-Pesa. So there's no cannibalization of revenue, and there's no revenue share with anybody whatsoever.
Operator
operatorOur next question is from Ziyad Joosub of Nedbank. Our next question is from Myuran Rajaratnam of MIBFA.
Myuran Rajaratnam
analystI only have one question. Just trying to understand this interesting opportunity with the lifestyle platform and Alipay. Can you just elaborate a little bit more? Because you might have mentioned it in answering the earlier questions, but the question wasn't that clear to me. So is it still branded VodaPay or what happens to VodaPay in the meantime? Because it sounds like you're buying the software only from Alipay. So it's still a Vodacom subscriber app, if that makes sense. And is it exclusive to Vodacom? I mean so you want to take a cut from anyone who wants to use the app, I presume? Or are you only providing this as an exclusive app for Vodacom? And just a little bit more about the app, if you don't mind.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveOkay. So the -- firstly, I mean, it's a software arrangement with them. And effectively, you're right in saying that we're just getting the technology from them. What the brand will still be VodaPay, but it will be a new VodaPay. But obviously, what we have today is more a payments app or simplified payments app. What we're moving towards is a lifestyle app, okay, where everything comes together in one -- in one platform. And I think what we're launching more than the app is a platform, okay? And therefore, the richness of it will be there. The way you make money from it is basically, there could be 3 revenue streams. We're still busy finalizing that. But obviously, payments. If you're going through it, we want the -- that you use our payment gateway and so on. That's the first part. Secondly, the lending opportunities that, that will provide. And thirdly -- the -- thirdly would be an agreement between the vendor that when they sell with the merchant, when they sell their products through us, we get a small cut. In return, they obviously -- they get the richness of the data analytics, daily offers, promotions, gifting, very sophisticated data analytics that will tell the customers what to buy and when and so on and so on. And I mean, if you -- it's quite a -- for us, we see it as a game changer. And if you see -- if you've been to China and you try and use a card or you try to use cash, you then quickly get to understand what the power of these apps are because people just don't accept cards and they don't accept cash. So it's a very -- it's a very -- I would say it's transformational and very big in terms of the lifestyle services that will go through the platform itself. So a big change from the current one to where we're going. The current one, to be honest, was more -- we've been working on this for the last 2 years. It's the first time that they've done it with a partner where they don't have equity. In every other instance, they have equity in those businesses. And yes, so we've been working with it. The current app was more learning experience for the ultimate solution which is what we are now going to launch. Just also to manage expectations, the launch will probably be in Q4, yes. So we have only announced so far. Now all the hard work starts, and we're basically making sure that we build everything. I mean we have a team of 100 people, mainly software engineers, that are working on this solution.
Myuran Rajaratnam
analystSo it sounds like an exclusive products for Vodacom subscribers. I mean...
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveSorry, to be clear, it's exclusive. The relationship with them is exclusive to us in South Africa, okay? So it's completely -- it's exclusive from that perspective. That's one. And two, is the service itself will be available to Vodacom customers and non-Vodacom customers. But of course, if you're a Vodacom customer, you'll get free -- you get this app 0 rated. If you're an MTN customer, it will be sorry for you.
Myuran Rajaratnam
analystSo just following up on that, right? How does the user get money into the system? Is it similar to how it works in China? India? Or is it slightly different? I mean we have quite an entrenched banking system in South Africa and salaries going to the banking system. So just your thoughts on that, and I'll leave it there.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveSo you'll have a linked card initially. So you can link a card, you'll have a virtual card that you could apply for as well. You'll be able to directly link it into your bank account. And shortly after launch, we'll have what we call the store value. So like very similar to M-Pesa, which is a store value, you will have that as well. And you can top up your store value for moving money seamlessly from your bank account into it or even going to an outlet and converting it -- your cash into money in the VodaPay wallet.
Operator
operatorLast question from Ziyad, Nedbank.
Ziyad Joosub
analystTwo questions from me, please. The first one is on Telkom roaming traffic volume in Q1. What are the trends there? And how should we think of this going forward? And then just a quick follow-up or clear out maybe on the Alipay Vodacom super app. Can I just confirm that the app will allow optionality for the use of credit and debit cards as well as other payment platforms? Or is it going to be an exclusive payment channel that needs to be used here?
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveSo it will be -- basically, you can have -- it's multiple parts. You'll have a store value, okay, which is where you basically move money into the wallet itself. That's one option. You can do a link card, be it credit card or debit card. You can link an EFT. There will be multiple sources of how you can basically contract. So you can have a pass-through directly into your card and so on, or you could basically move money seamlessly from your bank account or your card into the VodaPay wallet. So customer will have complete flexibility.
Sitholizwe Mdlalose
executiveOn Telkom roaming, so we had a quarter-on-quarter step-up from Q4 into Q1. And really what we'd expect is to sort of maintain those levels. So we saw, in essence, a little bit of the step-up in Telkom traffic to what we have seen on our own through the COVID period. So there would potentially be some plateauing of that, but essentially, we'd expect to maintain those run rates.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, that is all the time we have for today. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your line.
Mohamed Shameel Joosub
executiveThank you.
Shaun Biljon
executiveThanks, everyone. Thanks for joining us.
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