Voltas Limited (VOLTAS.NS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

January 29, 2026

NSEI IN Industrials Construction and Engineering earnings 52 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Voltas Limited Q3 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call hosted by PhillipCapital. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Ms. Natasha Jain from PhillipCapital. Thank you, and over to you, ma'am.

Natasha Jain

analyst
#2

Thank you, Sagar, and good evening, everyone. On behalf of PhillipCapital, I welcome all of you to the third quarter FY '26 Earnings Conference Call of Voltas India Limited. From the management today, we have Mr. Mukundan Menon, Managing Director; K.V. Sridhar, Chief Financial Officer; Nikhil R. Chandarana, Head, Corporate Finance; Sumana Tripathy, Head FP&A; and Vaibhav Vora, Head Commercial. I would request the management to give their opening remarks, post which we shall open the floor for Q&A. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#3

Thank you, Natasha. Good evening all. Glad to connect again for the quarter call. So just to give you a brief, Voltas strengthens its leadership in Q3, backed by room air conditioners recovery and sustained performance from other verticals. Global conditions in 2025 remain unsettled with geopolitical tensions, new tariff actions and periodic supply chain detours creating volatility across input categories such as energy, base metals and select electrical components. At the same time, uneven growth -- global growth, currency and commodity fluctuation and persistent policy uncertainty tempered sentiment across several markets even as emerging economies, most notably India, continued to demonstrate relative resilience driven by steady consumption and sustained public investment. This environment shaped a mixed demand backdrop for consumer-facing categories and infrastructure-linked sectors, forming the macro context in which Voltas Consumer and Projects business operated during the quarter. Voltas Limited announced its financial results for the quarter and 9 months ending 31st December 2025. Through this quarter, the company's performance was anchored by the room air conditioning business, driven by healthier channel activity following the GST rate cut and buying ahead of the BEE star label transition as customers anticipated price hikes on the new table. The projects business continued to lend stability through consistent execution and strong order pipeline, reinforcing the -- continued to lend stability through consistent execution and a strong order pipeline, reinforcing the strength of Voltas' diversified portfolio. Management remained focused on market leadership in the cooling segment, regulatory preparedness and disciplined performance across businesses. At an overall level for the quarter, total income was at INR 3,130 crores (sic) [ INR 3,120 crores ] against INR 3,164 crores last year. Profit before tax was INR 116 crores after factoring in the labor code impact versus INR 191 crores in Q3 '25. Net profit was at INR 84 crores against INR 131 crores last year. For the 9 months ending December '25, the total income was INR 9,552 crores compared to INR 10,890 crores last year same period. And profit before tax was INR 373 crores versus INR 848 crores in the corresponding period last year. Net profit was at INR 257 crores compared to INR 599 crores last year same period. In terms of the segment performance a bit in depth, in terms of segment A, Unitary Cooling Products, the segment delivered a relatively steady performance in both volume and revenue despite inherent seasonality and the impact of a shortened second summer. The room air conditioner business continued to anchor segment A, maintaining Voltas' leadership position with 17.9% year-to-date market share and benefiting from strong channel activity following the GST reduction and buying ahead of the upcoming BEE star label transition. Growth during the quarter was driven by structured network expansion with micro level targeting, improved channel readiness and sharper retail and digital activation across priority markets. These changes are expected to drive consumer upgrades in the coming quarter, providing a positive flip to demand and product mix improvement. Complementary categories such as air coolers, water heaters and fans, though facing some headwinds due to inventory overhang, continued to build relevance through refreshed lineups, wider retail reach and sharper digital activation, reinforcing Voltas' comfort solution positioning and broadening the nonseasonal share of cooling products. Together, these initiatives support brand preference and strengthen category resilience into the upcoming season. Within segment A, commercial air condition continued to act as a growth contributor, supported by corporate, commercial and industrial demand with healthy traction across product categories and AMC business. Commercial refrigeration delivered a softer quarter amidst lower product offtake and competitive intensity. The focus remained on sharpening the offer in priority segments and stabilizing the mix to support sequential improvement. Together, CAC and CSR reinforce the diversification within UCP and helps balance seasonal volatility in true cooling. Segment A margins in Q3 reflected the seasonal profile of the quarter and the competitive environment with profitability shaped by higher channel and customer support. In the coming quarter, management remains focused on mix improvement, cost optimization and structured network expansion to support sequential recovery. The company is fully ready and realigned for the new BEE efficiency table with refreshed lineups and calibrated pricing architecture in place and is geared to meet seasonal demand with aligned production plans across Pantnagar and the new Chennai factory. Production capacity utilization, operational efficiency improvements and supply chain actions have been tuned to support faster ramp-up into the season and improved availability of priority SKUs. Voltbek Home Appliances. Voltbek delivered a solid Q3, sustaining broad-based momentum across washing machines and refrigerators, led by dominant semi-automatic segment and a clear step-up in fully automatic. Top load alongside a stronger showing in the frost-free segment in an expanded energy-efficient locally manufactured lineup. In refrigerators, Voltbek's overall market share stands at 6.2% year-to-date and in washing machines at 8.2% year-to-date, reflecting improved portfolio relevance and tighter in-store execution. Voltbek will sustain momentum through a focused brand-led premiumization strategy, combining high-impact consumer engagement and an expanded energy-efficient portfolio across categories to deepen preference and conversion across priority channels while steadily broadening the franchise towards a full-scale home appliance platform that complements Voltas' end-to-end home solutions. In parallel, ongoing pricing and cost optimization initiatives across the portfolio are intended to support margin resilience as scale builds through the season. Together, these developments reinforce Voltas' progression from predominantly seasonal cooling business to a year-round full-stack consumer durables enterprise supported by a broader innovation-led portfolio and disciplined operational execution. Segment B, Electro-Mechanical Projects and Services. The domestic projects business continued to book and execute orders across all verticals, underscoring engineering depth and multi-vertical presence. Prudent selection of projects backed by on-time handovers, tighter project governance and cash conversion facilitated the margin expansion. The international environment remains competitive for fresh wins, but delivering momentum supported by a mix of ongoing projects and disciplined project engagement. During CY '25 year-to-date, Voltas secured new orders and lifted the order back and the international project business reported sequential exposure reduction, reflecting tighter commercial controls and collection. With a robust consolidated order book of around INR 6,100 crores and a healthy order pipeline, the segment is well positioned to drive steady growth and deliver consistent performance over the medium term. Segment C, engineering products and civil services. The Mining and Construction Equipment division delivered steady top line growth, supported by continuity in operations and maintenance contracts and sustained demand for power screen crushing and screening machinery. Going ahead, the mining and construction equipment service annuities and a healthy inquiry funnel provide performance visibility. The Textile Machinery division business was adversely impacted by macro backdrop, notably the 50% U.S. tariff imposition on certain textile products, which weighed on MSMEs and led to production cuts and softer domestic demand for yarns and fabrics. Execution of pending orders, strong aftersales run rate and post-spinning momentum helped cushion the effect. Looking ahead, TMD remains focused on aftersales, post-spinning mix and disciplined delivery while looking forward for a recovery in the core spinning category. Balance sheet and working capital. Working capital was tightly managed in Q3 with improved inventory and receivables ahead of upcoming season, supported by availability of priority SKUs and steady project billings and collections. Commercial controls, selective order intake and exposure reduction further supported a stable position despite uneven demand pockets and a competitive environment. Overall, the company exited the quarter with a balanced working capital profile. As Voltas enters Q4 focused on execution and seasonal readiness, the company is fully aligned to the new BE efficiency table with a refreshed RAC lineup and calibrated pricing and is geared to meet peak season demand with aligned production plan across factories, including the new capacity ramp-up at Pantnagar and Chennai. The priority is to boost all demand sources, core retail, organized retail -- organized trade and institutional while optimizing resources across manufacturing, supply chain and channel. The projects business will continue to selectively book and execute across all verticals in which we are present, supported by a healthy bid pipeline and a stronger project governance. Overall, the strategy remains simple and focused, be regulatory-ready, scale-efficient into the season using the expanded manufacturing footprint and convert demand with sharper in-market activation and disciplined delivery across businesses. In terms of margin, we are committed to further optimize costs through value engineering, better inventory planning while being cautious about the impact of commodity and currency fluctuations. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#4

Sir, should we open the floor for questions?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#5

Yes.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#6

Yes, please.

Operator

operator
#7

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Aditya Bhartia from Investec.

Aditya Bhartia

analyst
#8

So my question is on -- you kind of referred about raw material inflation and rupee depreciation impact. So my question is, what kind of price increases do you think are warranted? And given that we are coming from a fairly weak season, do you think that the industry would be in a position to pass on these price hikes or part of that may need to be absorbed by the company? And you also mentioned about cost optimization. So what are the measures that you can undertake to kind of partly offset this impact?

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#9

Thanks. Thanks for the question. I think it's a valid one given the environment that we are in. So see, this quarter will be a slightly mixed one in terms of navigating the old table sales and also the new table sales, right? So we would sort of be holding a very balanced approach in terms of trying to navigate the pricing. Will the commodity and the currency fluctuation have an impact on the pricing? Definitely, yes. There will be an impact of the pricing. But how much and when to sort of pass on is something -- it's a very dynamic decision that we'll have to sort of look at it fairly almost on a daily basis. And I think the pricing decisions will have to be fairly dynamic. So to put a number would be difficult, but is there an impact on the pricing? There is an impact on the pricing. We are looking at it ongoing basis, and we'll take a call accordingly. I think the new table also, I think, will take some time for also the pricing also to stabilize on that front. And that I think will also take a few months given that this quarter is likely to be a mix between old table and the new table sales.

Aditya Bhartia

analyst
#10

Understood, sir.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#11

Thank you.

Operator

operator
#12

Our next question comes from the line of Manan Goyal from ICICI Securities.

Aniruddha Joshi

analyst
#13

Hello?

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#14

Yes, we can hear you.

Aniruddha Joshi

analyst
#15

Yes. So this is Aniruddha Joshi here. So my question is what was the exit market share at the end of either November or December, if you can share, you have shared YTD market share? And secondly, was there any excess trade discount given to clear the inventory at the end of December? And last point, Voltas Beko, there is a very strong market share across both categories, refs and washers. But despite that, the profitability still remains in a way, still in red. So how do you see the profitability? Earlier, there was an indication by end of FY '26, it should be profitable. So how should we read about Voltas Beko? Yes, that's it from my side.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#16

Thanks, Aniruddha. So this Mukundan Menon here. So on the market share, our exit market share for the month of December is also at 17.9%, which coincidentally coincides with our YTD market share also, which is at 17.9%. So if you recall, when we began this calendar year, that is the Jan to March quarter, we had a market share of 15.8%, and that has grown to 17.9%. So over the last 12 months, we've gained market share of roughly 2.1%, which is a good -- I think it holds us in good stead. In terms of schemes, yes, the -- most of the channel partners had a lot of inventory with them, and it is imperative for us to help them to clear the stock. So the schemes were progressively being given to them during the quarter 3. But as we approach summer, these schemes will start becoming a little more market demand related. So indeed, to facilitate the secondary sales, schemes and discounts were offered in quarter 3, which is reflecting in our margin profile also, if you see. Going back to Voltas Beko, the story is a little different. Here, the primary focus is to gain market share, which we are doing consistently. Refrigerators, we are at a market share of 6.2%, and this is a gain of roughly 1.1% over -- yes, 6.2% for the YTD number. However, the exit November number, the December number, we haven't seen as yet is the better number at 6.8%. And the washing machine market share, YTD is 8.2%, but the exit November number is again a very healthy 10.2%. So here, the focus is about gaining market share, about making our presence fill. And the profitability in a way, the scale is slowly getting us to a place where in the very near future, we will see this getting to at least a breakeven kind of situation.

Aniruddha Joshi

analyst
#17

Okay. Sure, sir. This is very helpful.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#18

Thank you, Aniruddha. Yes.

Operator

operator
#19

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Natasha Jain.

Natasha Jain

analyst
#20

Sir, just one question. Given that we have one of the highest assembly capabilities and the season for calendar '25 was bad, so I assume that we were also left with higher number of inventory. And given that sequential growth for Voltas and UCP has been quite high, is it fair to assume that channel is sitting with larger inventory of Voltas? And by that logic, is it again fair to assume that if and when summer picks up, market share growth for Voltas in 4Q will be sharper than peers? That's it.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#21

Yes. So Natasha, very well said. The second point is the market share will see a very positive trend because of the volumes that -- the primary billings that we have done is also significant. So the market share gains will be visible in quarter 4 for sure. Inventory of Voltas, my sense is that we are talking about a few weeks, 5 to 6 weeks of inventory is there in the channel. And it's just a matter of time by March, middle, I suppose the entire inventory will get finished. So that's the way we see it. So it's not a very high number because the summer season is going to pick up. So February -- between February when the summer begins from Kerala and then moves on towards the Western region and Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and comes into Maharashtra. I think we are talking about a clear 45 days -- less than 45 days for the inventory of our channel partners to sort of deplete completely.

Natasha Jain

analyst
#22

That's helpful.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#23

Thanks, Natasha. Yes.

Operator

operator
#24

Our next question comes from the line of Girish Achhipalia from Morgan Stanley.

Girish Achhipalia

analyst
#25

Mr. Mukundan, I had one question on the price hike that the system and you would need because of the copper being where it is, aluminum being where it is and the rupee being where it is. My estimate says that it could be between 12% to 14% basis the commodity move as well as the new norms that have kicked in and also some e-waste tools, et cetera. So if you can comment, I know this is like going to be a mixed quarter, some old inventory, some new inventory. But once the new inventory comes through, is that a fair assessment of price increases needed? And how much has already been taken, if at all, in the month of January?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#26

Thanks. Girish, actually, Mr. Sridhar will address.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#27

Thanks, Girish, for the question. I think it's sort of comparable to the first question that sort of came up. So this quarter will be a mixed one between old table and new table. So obviously, the costs will be different, as you know. And by the time the prices stabilize as part of the new table, I think it will take maybe a couple of months, I think, that's likely to be the case, and that's what our sense is also. So we'll have to sort of do a wait and watch. But to your primary question, is there an impact of commodity and currency, there is, okay? To that extent, there is. But the exact quantum and how the price transition will happen, that I think we'll have to do a bit of wait and watch. We are sort of monitoring it almost regularly. And any pricing decisions, we are linking it to the market requirements. But there is an impact of currency and commodity hedging.

Girish Achhipalia

analyst
#28

But sir, can you -- I mean, directionally am I right in the ballpark for the new rules that have been applicable and the commodity, if they were to remain for the new inventory that you place in the system, is that commodity price remain...

Operator

operator
#29

Sorry to interrupt. Sorry to interrupt Girish, sir...

Girish Achhipalia

analyst
#30

I'm actually asking the same question, yes, I'm actually asking the same question.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#31

Yes, yes. So Sagar, we'll answer that. So essentially, the -- Girish, the thing is that the table change impact on the pricing is a little different for the 3-star and is a little different for the 5-star. 3-star is a little lesser, but 5-star is very, very significant increase. So the increase will -- impact on the 5-star will be more. Now the impact of the commodity, the copper and the dollar it's -- these are the moving pieces in this entire thing. So the overall numbers will be a summation of these 3 things: table change increase for 3-star plus the commodity and copper for the same. The table change impact for the 5-star and the copper and the currency impact for the same. So typically, 5-star will be a much higher number. We are -- as Sridhar said, it's still too many moving parts in the overall thing. We are unable to really quantify the number to whatever you mentioned. But the fact of the matter is these all will impact the -- sort of the pricing certainly because these are not small impact. These are not small numbers by any stretch of imagination yes.

Girish Achhipalia

analyst
#32

Best wishes, sir.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#33

Thank you. Thank you, Girish. Yes.

Operator

operator
#34

The next question comes from the line of Naushad Chaudhary from Aditya Birla Mutual Funds.

Naushad Chaudhary

analyst
#35

One question on the project business. This business is consistently -- order book consistently declining, though we are adjusting the domestic and international portfolio. But overall -- on an overall basis, this business seems struggling. So just wanted to understand when do you see by when the order book slide should stop and from when we should start experiencing growth in the order book? And is this business has a potential to be INR 8,000 crores, INR 10,000 crores of business? And if yes, how much time will it take to reach those scale.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#36

So Naushad, see, this projects business has got 2 parts, as you rightly pointed out. There is a domestic and there is an international business. So the general thing is that across both these businesses, the domestic and the international, we have been very careful in terms of picking up projects over the last 12 months, I would say. So we've been very prudent in selection of the clients. There are proper guidelines and frameworks for that in terms of nature of the client, the credentials of the client, the payment terms, the margin profile and the exposure of bank guarantees, the liquidity damages, we work around multiple things. So the -- if you ask the size of the order book might have diminished, but the health of the order book is very, very healthy compared to what it was a year ago. So we have been very prudent, and we have been extremely prudent, especially in the international business, where we have been very careful in selection of the clients. And essentially, we are going after projects where we get a sort of a preferred sort of a vendor thing compared to others. So we are not really bothered about the overall size of the order book because these are generally order books which sort of get built over a period of 2, 2.5 years or so. In terms of the domestic projects, again, if you see there are 3 different verticals. There is a mechanical and electrical and plumbing MEP vertical. The second one is the water vertical and the third one is the electrical and solar vertical. The electrical and solar as well as the water verticals predominantly operates in the government space, and these are long gestation projects with a fair amount of sort of working capital locked up for a larger period of time. We have been very prudent in picking up jobs in this category, and we've been very selective about it. However, in the mechanical and electrical and plumbing, we have been picking up fairly good, healthy jobs in the manufacturing segment. We are also focusing on the data center segment. And these are the general industrial segment and data center are the segments which are very fast track with completion, very low risk and in terms of profitability also, it's a quick turnaround. So we have been prudent in this. So the size of the order book less important compared to the health of the order book. That's the way we see it, Naushad.

Naushad Chaudhary

analyst
#37

We see growth in...

Operator

operator
#38

Sorry to interrupt. Naushad, sir, may we request you return to the queue for follow-up questions, please. Our next question comes from the line of Akshen from Fidelity.

Akshen Thakkar

analyst
#39

Congratulations on a good show on the market share. Just wanted one clarity from you on. How should we be thinking about margins in the unitary business? It's been a tough year right now. We've been used to making 8% to 10% margins here. Given what you know in terms of cost pressures, in terms of channel inventory, not in like Q4, but just generally over the next year or 2, what's the kind of margin should we be thinking about? Do margins go back to 8% to 10%? Or do you think we should first focus on getting top line right and then focus on getting the margins right? That's the only question.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#40

Sridhar here, again. So I think a fair question. I think in terms of where we see whether it's market share or margins, I think it's never quite possible to sort of give either or answer to be fair. I think it's -- both has to be sort of balanced. While we don't want to lose out on the market leadership that we have, we want to sort of focus on. At the same time, we have to continue to focus on the margins also, right? So in terms of -- if you see the intent is to sort of focus on the cost reduction initiatives very, very prudently in a very institutionalized manner, look at any pricing opportunities that we have. We're also looking at mix opportunities in terms of -- from a product portfolio point of view. So we are looking at all multiple aspects in terms of trying to see how we can sort of focus on the margin improvements also. So it's not either or in all fairness, it is an and, and the focus has to be there on both. Obviously, top line has to happen and also in terms of market share growth. At the same time, focus continues on margins also.

Akshen Thakkar

analyst
#41

Sorry, just continuing that question. There is no doubt that incremental margins will sort of improve and...

Operator

operator
#42

Sorry to interrupt, Akshen, sir, may we request you return to the queue for that particular part of...

Akshen Thakkar

analyst
#43

Sorry, this is a -- my question wasn't answered. I'm just seeking a clarification on the same question.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#44

Yes. That's fine, Sagar. Yes.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#45

Yes, tell me. Yes, please go ahead.

Akshen Thakkar

analyst
#46

Yes, yes, sorry. Sorry, just sort of want to belabor on that point a little more. Just to maybe think about margins. So you're saying incremental margins will move up with all the initiatives that you outlined, which is a fair summation and a good strategy. I'm just trying to understand the trajectory of that because from where we are to, let's say, where normative margins were is a decent gap. So I'm just trying to understand should our expectations be towards 8%, 10% right away? Or should it be over a period of time? That's the only clarification.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#47

So the recovery will be sequential as we sort of discussed, right? And also the -- there are too many moving parts, unfortunately, in this piece, I think the commodity inflation, the currency depreciation. So there are multiple moving parts and also the table change impact also. So there are multiple moving parts in this. Intent is to sort of get better. Will it be a sequential improvement? There will be a sequential improvement. When and what we will reach, unfortunately, it will be maybe too soon to sort of quantify. That's the only point where we are. But intent is to sort of definitely get better and come closer to the expectations that you have.

Operator

operator
#48

Akshen, sir, does that answer your questions?

Akshen Thakkar

analyst
#49

Yes, yes, it does.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#50

Thanks, Akshen.

Operator

operator
#51

Our next question comes from the line of Renu from IIFL Capital.

Renu Baid

analyst
#52

I have only one question. So what would be your strategy for the domestic MEP portfolio? How is our market share stacked up? And what is the strategy of getting Voltas back on the mainstream with a market-leading share and margin from a medium-term perspective?

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#53

Yes. So Renu, just you're referring to the domestic MEP projects segment.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#54

No, overall domestic.

Renu Baid

analyst
#55

Yes. The -- no, no, the domestic MEP or the HVAC portfolio that we are looking within the projects part of the business. Not water, not electrical solar, core MEP?

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#56

Understood. So as I said, we have decided that we will focus this time on the MEP part of the infra projects that is less of water, less of electrical, the way you have sorted. And essentially, within MEP also, there are 2 or 3 different customer categories. One is the industrial and data center category, which we call it manufacturing and data centers. And the second one is the commercial buildings, which is to do with shopping malls and so on and so forth. And there's a third category, which is metros, airports and so on and so forth. So the focus currently is that we want to have a larger pie of the manufacturing and the data center market. We are also looking at the -- a steady flow of -- these are generally fast-track projects, which will quickly give -- are turned around within less than 9 months to 12 months. And we are also looking at the metro and such infrastructure projects, which are generally spread over a longer period of time, but come with a lot of comfort with respect to the price variation clauses and the risks are very limited in this. So a mix of these 2 and a little lesser focus on the commercial is what we are looking at. And of course, the electrical and the water segments are areas which we have been very careful now, and we are just cherry picking the projects that we wish to do in this category.

Renu Baid

analyst
#57

Sure. And sir, what is the current market share, sanitary market share?

Operator

operator
#58

Sorry to interrupt. Renu, ma'am, sorry to interrupt.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#59

Just in this area, there is -- generally, these market shares don't get tracked because, for example, MEP, the overall size of the market and the overall sort of...

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#60

Yes, we don't capture the data from an external, there are no external data things. It is all depending on the orders that you quote and the orders that you win and versus the orders that you lose, we have some internal -- yes, I think which we...

Renu Baid

analyst
#61

First lens of the market share.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#62

Yes, very difficult to say because it could be even wrong because there are many projects which we would not even know that has been bid. It's possible. It's possible that way, yes.

Renu Baid

analyst
#63

Understand.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#64

Thank you, Renu. I appreciate it. Yes.

Operator

operator
#65

Your next question comes from the line of Pulkit Patni from Goldman Sachs.

Pulkit Patni

analyst
#66

Sir, some of your peers have interpreted the BEE norm change slightly differently, i.e., that they can continue to sell those ACs for a slightly longer period of time. And in which case, they have actually not liquidated that inventory. Now my question is, assuming all that's true, in the fourth quarter, which is the current quarter, is it fair to assume that whatever you sell in the primary market will be higher cost inventory and compared to companies which have old inventory basically benefiting. So I'm just trying to understand in the fourth quarter, is there a possibility that in the primary side, we may have slightly softer revenue? And as you rightly highlighted that by the time we get to summer, it will all normalize. Is that a fair assumption?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#67

Yes. Pulkit, I just wouldn't -- so there is -- I think the BEE norms, there was a guess which came in a year ago, which none of us have even noticed that -- when we got closer to the end of the year, all the industry woke up to that and realized that the -- it prohibits you from manufacturing the new products from 1st of December -- 1st of January 2026. But both the brands, that is the manufacturing brands as well as the channel partners can sell this till June end. So that most of us had a sense of this sometime by November end, we got to know that this is the rule. So most of the brands have stocks of the old table products and so do we have stocks of the old products. So -- and depending on when these stocks, like, for example, there's a bunch of product SKUs in the 3-star bucket, there's a bunch of SKUs in the 5-star bucket. Depending on when these stock levels deplete to 0, the new table products will be introduced into the market. And so each brand -- all the brands are almost on an equal level playing field with respect to availability of the old stock versus the new stock. All of them have started manufacturing new products right from November. But obviously, the focus would be to liquidate the old table stocks before you start selling the new table stocks. Does that answer your question, Pulkit?

Pulkit Patni

analyst
#68

Absolutely. That's very clear. So effectively, you are at even keel with others when it comes to the fourth quarter channel inventory.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#69

That's very much right.

Pulkit Patni

analyst
#70

Okay. Perfect.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#71

Yes.

Operator

operator
#72

Your next question comes from the line of Umang Mehta from Kotak Securities.

Umang Mehta

analyst
#73

Just building on to the last question. You mentioned about micro targeting markets, also greater focus on modern trade GP. In this performance, which you've shown in 3Q, have you added any new accounts on MT institutional? You mentioned about some gaps you had in the past with your first interaction with us. Could you share any insights on this?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#74

Yes, Umang, actually, so what we embarked on is we have started tracking almost like 29,000 counters across the country, which sell these products spread over 19,000 pin codes. And we have a structured -- very structured network acquisition plan, which we have put in place. We have added a decent number of channel partners either directly through our -- as a direct billing point. We have also done -- added a fair amount of counters through our distribution network. That's as far as the general trade is concerned. In terms of modern trade, we have a fair presence across all the 3 modern -- we call the 3 big the Reliance, the Chroma and the Vijay Sales as modern trade in our terminology. We have got a presence across all of this. The focus now is to have a higher share of their wallet. So that's the focus now. There is a bunch of roughly 85 or so regional retailers where we see that our presence can be improved. So there's a major focus in entering many of the regional retailers, especially in the South and the West markets, which are heavy on the regional retailer space. So we are making good progress on that as well actually. That's as far as the channel partner is concerned. Institutional sales is essentially we do a decent number in institutions. This comes from things like banks. It comes from builders. So we are making very good progress there as well.

Umang Mehta

analyst
#75

Understood, sir.

Operator

operator
#76

Your next question comes from the line of Tavishi Mehta from ICICI Potential Mutual Funds.

Tavishi Mehta

analyst
#77

Yes. Sir, as per my calculation, due to commodity price rise, the cost as a percentage of BOM is actually increasing by 8% to 9%. And as a percentage of selling price that we see, it will be somewhere around 6%. So correct me if I'm wrong, but basically, how does Voltas think to pass this on? And additionally, even BEE norm will also have around 5% cost increase. So overall, how do we think on pricing going forward?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#78

Yes. So Tavishi, what you said is like the BEE norms, as I just explained a little while earlier to a question regarding the price increase, which Girish had asked. So essentially, the price increase is also like the 3-star has a different impact. The 5-star has a far more sharper increase impact. So that obviously will get passed through. The commodity and the dollar. Actually, both of them are on an upward trend, as you can imagine, copper, essentially copper, aluminum -- the impact of aluminum is not like on the overall BOM is not that heavy, but copper is a big sort of item on the BOM. So again, model-wise, this changes because there is some amount of copper, which goes into a 3 star. There's another amount of copper, which goes into a 5-star. So these -- we are assessing the impact of all this, along with the third dimension, which is the dollar impact. And as our CFO, Mr. Sridhar mentioned, we are monitoring it very closely. And then closer to the time when the new table products start getting introduced into the market, we will take a call on this. But the direction is that actually, there is going to be a price increase and many of these will have to be passed through to the channel partners to consumers.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#79

Just to add to what Mr. Menon said, as you know, we are -- as you mentioned, we also are working on a clear cost optimization program also. So that is also a setup that we will have to sort of factor in. It's a fairly dynamic situation, a mix of products being sold. So we are monitoring that, and we'll take the pricing decision appropriately, factoring all these variables.

Tavishi Mehta

analyst
#80

But can we expect some price increase in coming quarter or it will be...

Operator

operator
#81

Sorry to interrupt, Ms. Mehta, sorry to interrupt may we request you return to the queue for...

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#82

And there would be an element of price increase. There would be -- I mean, that much, I think we have clarified. There will be. How much is something we will have to sort of see depending on all the variation.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#83

The price increases are reality, Tavishi, and the quantum amount and when the exact time when the new products will come into the market are the moving pieces in this entire thing. We also have some calls on projects which we are doing where the overall price will increase. Obviously, it will increase actually. The number is a little early to say as of now.

Tavishi Mehta

analyst
#84

Sure. Okay.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#85

Thank you, Tavishi. Yes.

Operator

operator
#86

Your next question comes from the line of Balasubramanian from Arihant Capital.

Balasubramanian A

analyst
#87

In MEP, our data center share is less than 5%, and we are aiming to 30% in the medium term. What specific orders or tenders you are pursuing in this space? And how does district cooling fit into your MEP strategy and you are partnering with international players for technology side?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#88

Yes. So MEP, the data center thing is just it's the -- it's opening up. We are doing a couple of projects now actually. And the sales funnel for the data centers is also very healthy. So we're bidding for quite a few projects. And as I mentioned earlier, the focus is to win data center projects using a combination of 2, 3 levers. One is essentially, we -- as you know, we -- a data center needs the cooling equipment, which is chillers. And mostly, it is screw chillers or centrifugal chillers where we have made significant progress with a new technology partner alliance, which I had mentioned in the last meeting. So we probably offer the best energy-efficient products in the screw category, and we also offer the best energy-efficient products in the centrifugal category. Centrifugal has 2 variants. One is the regular centrifugal chillers and the second oil-free chillers. Across these 3 segments, we have probably the most energy-efficient product and energy is a big portion of the OpEx of our data center. So we are very confident of getting these chiller orders from the data center. And we are bidding this together with our MEP division, which is mechanical, electrical and contracting that entire group. So that makes us a single-source vendor to the data center. So this cross-functional -- the cross-divisional approach to this entire data center, we will move towards the overall share, whether it will go to 30% so soon, I'm not sure we -- but the direction is very clear, and we are seeing some fairly early good sort of tailwinds for us in that thing. District cooling also because of our presence in the centrifugal chiller, this district cooling essentially comes with the -- district cooling comes with a centrifugal kind of scope mostly and a fewer screw. There again, because of our -- the most energy-efficient chillers in both the categories, we have a fair chance of getting a higher share from this. This is normally dominated by the 3 American brands, which is York, Trane and Johnson Controls, and we have a fair chance to compete with them in this space as well. So I think over the next 12 months, this entire story will pan out, Bala.

Balasubramanian A

analyst
#89

Got it, sir.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#90

Yes, thank you. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#91

Your next question comes from the line of Akshay Gattani from UBS.

Akshay Gattani

analyst
#92

Sir, given Voltas now have decent in-house capacity. So what will be your strategy for this upcoming season between in-sourcing and outsourcing at least for manufacturing? And do you expect the higher backward integration, which is there in the Chennai plant will start to flow into better margins if the demand for upcoming season turn out the way you're forecasting?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#93

Yes. So Akshay, the backward integration of Chennai has already started playing out. As I had mentioned in the last, I think, meeting that we had, there are many things which we were not backward integrated in Pantnagar, which we are backward integrated in Chennai. One is the entire sheet metal work, which is the outdoor body. Second is the powder coating and the painting of that outdoor thing, which is again a high value addition sort of process. The third is the entire indoor unit plastic injection molding of that internal plastic parts and a fully backward integrated coil and fin shop. We used to have partly the coil and fin shop in-house, and we used to do some sort of buying of the coils and fin assembly also in Pantnagar plant. So the entire play of the Chennai backward integration will play out fully. In terms of the outsourcing versus in-sourcing, Akshay, the thing is that our window air conditioners, as we have been doing all along, has always been outsourced from the local OEM manufacturers, and we continue with that sort of the same thing. We are not making any change. However, the split air conditioners, which is essentially now is predominantly the inverter splits, we are doing it in a way that -- there are 2 things. One is there's a steady sort of visibility about what will be certainly required that is in-house. And some of the spikes and the ups and downs, which come during a very good summer, those are generally being catered by the OEMs. So it's a blend of both. And we have taken a very judicious call in terms of picking up how much of these are from the OEMs. And we have also been very judicious about picking up from the right OEMs in terms of geography. There are some products which are closer to the West market, some products which could sell more in the South market. So we have been very selective in picking those OEMs, which cater to the products in that market. So very, very carefully planned out this season, Akshay.

Akshay Gattani

analyst
#94

Got it, sir. That was very helpful.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#95

Thank you, Akshay.

Operator

operator
#96

Your next question comes from the line of Dhruv Jain from AMBIT Capital.

Dhruv Jain

analyst
#97

Just one data point. All my other questions have been answered. If you could just spell out the capacity utilization of the current Chennai plant? And in the upcoming season, what is the level at which you expect it to run?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#98

Capacity utilization of -- actually, it is almost 90%. So we have 2 plants, one in Pantnagar, which is operating at, I think, 100% thing because it really has been juiced out like crazy. And the Chennai plant, we have built a capacity of 1 million units, which we have expanded to 1.5 million units. And we are in the process of doing that, another 1 or 2 months that 1.5 tonne capacity -- 1.5 million capacity will be done. Our sense is that this summer season, we would have maximized the capacity utilization to almost between 85% to 90% or so, Mr. Jain. Yes.

Dhruv Jain

analyst
#99

And sir, if you could just talk about the CapEx plan from [indiscernible] business, just one last question, sir. I hope...

Operator

operator
#100

May we request...

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#101

CapEx, the CapEx plan for -- yes, essentially, Mr. Jain, you're saying as an organization or it is mainly for room air conditioners?

Dhruv Jain

analyst
#102

If you could break it into both, that will be great.

Operator

operator
#103

Sorry to interrupt you, Dhruv, sir.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#104

So we'll -- we take this off-line Mr. Jain, if you don't mind, we'll get...

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#105

Expenditure to the same. Yes.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#106

Yes, we will find.

Dhruv Jain

analyst
#107

Sure. Sure, sir. Sure, sure.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#108

Sure. Thank you for understanding, Mr. Dhruv.

Operator

operator
#109

We will take the last question from the line of [ Sunny Gupta ], an individual investor.

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#110

Hello?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#111

Yes, [ Mr. Gupta ].

Unknown Attendee

attendee
#112

Sir, as you tell that there was a prebuying in December quarter. So will this effect sale in 1st January month vis-a-vis January 2025?

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#113

So actually, the prebuying in December actually was in a way a very positive thing for us. We were very pleasantly happy with the result that we have done. And a little bit of this might be the January thing. But as of now, we are not seeing -- that we are not seeing any decline in our numbers. So it's probably laying a runway for a good January and hopefully for a good February and March [ Mr. Gupta ]. Yes, yes.

Operator

operator
#114

Ladies and gentlemen, I now hand the conference over to Ms. Natasha Jain for closing remarks.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#115

We have -- actually, we have Mr. -- our CFO, K.V. Sridhar, making his closing remarks now.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#116

Yes. Thanks. Thanks all for the participation. Just maybe a few comments on the -- towards the end. So I think all these priorities, I think, position Voltas to enter the season with sharper readiness, stronger execution muscle and a more efficient operating base. As cost optimization efforts take effect, the company expects to strengthen margin resilience and create a more leveraged financial profile. With this foundation, Voltas remains well placed to enhance its leadership in the cooling segment while steadily expanding its portfolio as a comprehensive, diversified cooling, home appliances and engineering project solutions provider. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#117

Yes, over to you, ma'am.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#118

Yes, Natasha. Yes, yes.

Natasha Jain

analyst
#119

Yes, we're ending the conference...

Operator

operator
#120

Yes. Yes, ma'am. Sorry, please go ahead.

Natasha Jain

analyst
#121

Yes, participants can disconnect their lines. Thank you so much.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#122

Thank you, Natasha. Yes, thank you all.

Kadangode Sridhar

executive
#123

Yes.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#124

And Sameer (sic) [ Sagar ]?

Operator

operator
#125

Thank you so much, everyone. On behalf of PhillipCapital, that concludes this conference. Thank you all for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

Mukundan C. Menon

executive
#126

Thank you. Thank you.

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