W. P. Carey Inc. (WPC) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 10, 2023

New York Stock Exchange US Real Estate Diversified REITs earnings 46 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Peter Sands

executive
#1

Hello, all, and welcome aboard. We appreciate you spending part of your day with us for the earnings call covering the fourth quarter of 2022. Prior to getting started, please bear in mind that certain remarks shared during this session do not reflect historical events and might be classified as forward-looking statements. Details concerning elements that might lead actual outcomes to diverge substantially from what W. P. Carey anticipates can be found within the documents we file with the SEC. A web-based recording of this call will be posted within the Investor Relations area of wpcarey.com, our company site. There it will remain accessible for roughly 1 year, and that same location also offers our investor presentations along with other associated materials. Having said that, I will now hand things over to Jason Fox, our Chief Executive Officer.

Jason Fox

executive
#2

Thanks, Peter, and good morning to all of you. For W. P. Carey, 2023 brings a number of milestones. Bill Carey started this company 50 years back; 25 years have passed since we went public; and it was likewise 25 years ago when we made our first investments in Europe, a market where we were early movers in sale-leasebacks. Over the past half-century, this company has changed a great deal. The latest step in that evolution was leaving the non-traded REIT space, which finished with the CPA:18 merger. When we wrapped up our shift to being a pure-play net lease REIT in 2022, it showed how committed we are to real estate AFFO growth, powered by accretive acquisitions and rent escalations. Even with the difficult market conditions we faced in 2022, real estate AFFO per share grew 6.3% for that year. This morning, my comments will center on what we've been investing in lately and what lies ahead, and Toni Sanzone, who serves as our CFO, will walk through our results, the 2023 guidance we released this morning, and where our balance sheet stands. Joining us on the line to field questions are our President, John Park, and Brooks Gordon, who leads Asset Management. Let me begin with growth from external sources. During 2022, the U.S. 10-year treasury rate climbed by more than 200 basis points, and cap rates trailed far behind because sellers took their time adjusting expectations. Buyers struggled to hold onto spread, so deals frequently required more time to negotiate and finalize, particularly sale-leasebacks connected to corporate M&A. All told, our investment volume reached $1.4 billion for the year, with a weighted average cap rate of 6.3% and a weighted average lease term of 20 years. On top of that, through the CPA:18 merger we brought in over $2 billion of real estate at a cap rate in the mid-6s. October brought yet another increase in interest rates, so during the fourth quarter we took advantage of our pricing strength, insisting on stronger yields and opting to stay patient while cap rates began to move, which created opportunities for transactions at more attractive spreads. As a result, I'm pleased to share that our fourth-quarter closings came at significantly higher cap rates, even though deal volume was lower than anticipated, totaling $159 million. Across those investments, the blended weighted average cap rate was 6.8%, largely driven by warehouse and industrial purchases whose going in cap rates landed in the high 6s and into the 7s. Even though rates have eased somewhat compared to fourth-quarter levels, the bulk of deals we're currently evaluating also come with cap rates in the upper 6s and reaching into the 7s. That translates to investment spreads that look much better than what prevailed for the majority of 2022, and they're sitting at a point where we feel good about transacting. As we look ahead, we're well positioned to take advantage of present market conditions. Our diversified strategy lets us deploy capital across a range of property types, throughout both the U.S. and Europe, which ensures the widest possible set of opportunities involving companies in a wide array of industries. And although right now we’re finding more opportunities we can act on in the U.S., where cap rates have moved faster, we do expect European cap rates to catch up to higher interest rates. On top of that, the sale-leaseback backdrop is the most favorable we have ever witnessed, since high-yield debt and leveraged loans are still very costly. More and more companies are looking into alternative capital sources, sale-leasebacks among them. In fact, private equity firms that in the past we never saw turn to sale-leasebacks are now considering them as a way to raise capital, which lets us build new sponsor relationships; we anticipate these market conditions will persist for the foreseeable future and that, as the market leader in sale-leasebacks, we will be the main beneficiary of the growing deal flow. And naturally, the strength of our balance sheet, including substantial liquidity, gives us an edge with sellers who are still worried about execution risk. When you compare us with buyers who rely on debt at the asset level, our edge is especially clear, since that kind of financing has become either too expensive to pursue or simply unavailable—particularly for renters whose credit sits just under investment grade, the exact group we go after. Right now our short-term pipeline looks strong, with over $500 million in investments either far along in talks or covered by letters of intent. Add to that about $156 million in capital investments or commitments scheduled to close during 2023, plus the transactions we've already completed so far this year, and we can see at least $700 million in deal volume—all just a bit more than one month into the year. Taking everything into account, given current conditions, we anticipate that investment volume for 2023 will end up substantially greater, reaching approximately $2 billion, with cap rates that are higher and spreads that are wider. Now moving on to what we did in the capital markets. Despite interest rates climbing steeply and a rocky environment in the capital markets for a large portion of 2022, our share price performed very strongly, and by year-end we ranked among the best-performing REITs. Because our stock has been relatively strong, we've been able to issue equity capital at attractive prices, and at present we have roughly $560 million in equity available for settlement through forward sale agreements, which were raised at an average price of around $84 per share. Turning to borrowing: in 2022, only a fairly limited set of REITs—us included—managed to raise debt on favorable terms. Our first-ever EUR 350 million private placement bond came in September, carrying an interest rate in the mid-3s. I'm also happy to report that the ratings agencies took note of how our credit profile has strengthened: Moody's moved us up to Baa1 in September, and a few weeks ago S&P followed by raising us to BBB+. Each of these upgrades gives us a bit more access to debt and trims our cost of debt, which right now ranks among the most competitively priced in the net lease sector. Because we secured capital on favorable terms during 2022 and also have our revolving credit facility available, we came into 2023 in a very strong position, holding ample dry powder to complete the near-term pipeline we have without adding leverage. Given where this capital came from, we are fairly confident we can deploy it in a way that creates value, both through the deals already in our pipeline and through new investments, since capitalization rates on transactions appear to be stabilizing around present levels. We're likewise confident about our capacity to keep making accretive investments at cap rates tighter than the targets we currently hold, should appealing opportunities arise, in light of where we anticipate being able to bring in capital during 2023. Finally, I'd like to briefly address our portfolio's quality given worries regarding inflation and the possibility of at least a modest recession. Within net lease, we stay uniquely situated, boasting best-in-class rent growth along with demonstrated resiliency. Our ownership consists of a well-diversified collection of essential real estate, rented to sizable companies under long-term agreements having a weighted average lease term of slightly less than 11 years; it also continues to be healthy, with occupancy reaching 98.8%, fourth quarter rent collections exceeding 99% and a watch list that's benign. Before handing things to Toni, I want to use this moment to express gratitude to our staff, both past and present, who helped mold W. P. Carey across the last 50 years into what it is now. Every milestone we're marking this year and the strong results we've delivered couldn't have happened without our committed and gifted team; and I take pride in the fact that we've made the Bloomberg Gender Equality Index for a third consecutive year, among just a small number of REITs picked this year, underscoring our enduring dedication to gender equality and a culture of inclusion. With that said, I'll turn the call over to Toni.

Toni Sanzone

executive
#3

Thank you, Jason, and good morning to all of you. Earlier today, we announced AFFO per share of $1.29 for Q4, which brought our full-year AFFO per share to $5.29, while real estate AFFO per share came in at $5.20 — a 6.3% gain compared with the previous year. That reflects the accretive effect of new investments as well as our merger with CPA:18, completed in August, plus the strength of our rent growth. Through the fourth quarter, the inflation protection embedded in our portfolio kept working in our favor. On the whole, contractual same-store rent growth stayed at a record 3.4% versus a year earlier, which represents a 160 basis point improvement over the same quarter last year. Because of the timing lag in how our inflation-linked leases step up, we anticipate contractual same-store rent growth will stay elevated across 2023 and far into 2024, even should inflation decline. Our estimate is that it will rise to approximately 4% during the first quarter, when about 40% of ABR with rent increases tied to inflation undergoes scheduled rent bumps, and will hold near 4% for the entire year. Comprehensive same-store rent growth in Q4, calculated using the pro rata net lease rent included in our AFFO, was 1% year-over-year, mainly due to elevated rent recoveries during the prior-year period. Once those recoveries are normalized, comprehensive same-store comes in above 2%, roughly 100 basis points under our contractual same-store figure and consistent with historical trends. Comprehensive same-store in Q4 2022 also reflected downtime on vacant assets, and the vast majority of those are either being repositioned or are expected to be sold in the first half of this year. Leasing activity in the fourth quarter consisted of 9 renewals or extensions. All told, we kept achieving positive rent recapture, reaching 110% of prior rents, led by warehouse and industrial, while adding 8.3 years of weighted average lease term. Other lease-related income in Q4 included a $5 million settlement of a claim against the guarantor of a prior lease, and its timing was accelerated, which brought the full-year total for that line item to $33 million — slightly above what we had expected for the year. For 2023, we are presently assuming other lease-related income stays fairly consistent with 2022 levels. Nonoperating income in the fourth quarter was mostly made up of realized gains from currency hedges totaling $6 million, a decrease from nearly $9 million in the third quarter. For the full year, nonoperating income reached $30 million, which included $24 million of realized gains from currency hedges. Our 2023 guidance assumes currency rates stay at or near where they are now, which would produce anticipated gains from currency hedges of roughly $15 million. As a reminder, a stronger euro would benefit our cash flows and earnings, offset by lower hedging gains. Nonoperating income in 2022 also included $4 million of dividends received from our equity interest in Lineage Logistics. We did not receive a dividend from that investment in 2023 and do not expect one. Lineage keeps delivering strong results, and we now have just over $400 million invested in it. That figure includes a $39 million mark-to-market gain in Q4, which came from the valuation in its latest offering. When it came to dispositions in the fourth quarter, we sold 6 properties, generating $68 million in gross proceeds. That pushes disposition proceeds for the entire year to $244 million. A significant share of those were legacy CPA:18 assets, and their sale was envisioned as part of the transaction. Our operating properties produced $17 million of NOI in Q4, compared with $12 million in Q3. That rise mostly came from having a full quarter of contribution from the operating self-storage portfolio that came to us through the CPA:18 merger. As of year-end, our operating assets consisted of 84 self-storage properties, 2 student housing properties and 1 hotel. In a separate matter, this January, 12 Marriott hotels that we own, previously under net leases, became operating properties when their master lease expired. Marriott will keep operating and managing these hotels through long-term franchise agreements, and we anticipate their NOI contribution will be slightly above the $16 million of ABR they produced in 2022 as net lease assets. These are noncore assets we intend to sell, except for 3 where we are pursuing highly attractive redevelopment opportunities. We'll share updates as we move forward with the Marriott sales, but for our 2023 guidance we assume those sales close late in the year, while acknowledging they could slip into 2024. Looking at 2023, we anticipate NOI from all operating properties will come to approximately $100 million, with about 3/4 of that generated by self-storage, which we expect to deliver NOI growth in the mid- to high single digits versus 2022. As a reminder, the same-store metrics I mentioned earlier only cover net lease assets and nonoperating properties. Now on to expenses. Interest expense came to $68 million in the fourth quarter, which brought the full year figure to $219 million, an 11% increase from the prior year. Our debt carried a weighted average interest rate of 3% in Q4 and 2.7% for the full year. Our guidance right now assumes that higher base rates will push our weighted average cost of debt toward the mid-3s, though that depends on the specific timing and execution of capital markets activity, along with further moves in interest rates. Non-reimbursed property expenses reached $14 million in the fourth quarter, taking the full year total to $51 million. Both periods saw elevated amounts because of higher carrying costs on vacant assets, greater maintenance and legal expenses, and real estate tax accruals. For 2023, we currently expect non-reimbursed property expenses to fall to somewhere between $43 million and $47 million for the full year, driven by anticipated sales and leasing of vacant assets. How certain tenant-related back taxes get resolved and when asset sales occur could push us toward either end of that range. For the fourth quarter, G&A came in at $23 million, which puts the entire year at $89 million, within the range we guided to. Looking at 2023, G&A should land somewhere between $97 million and $100 million; that figure accounts for losing the reimbursements tied to CPA:18 and mirrors both our expanded asset base and the effects of inflation. On an AFFO basis, tax expense for the fourth quarter reached $10 million, mostly made up of foreign taxes related to our European portfolio; for 2023, we anticipate tax expense landing between $40 million and $44 million, pushed by inflation's effect on foreign rents plus the assets we picked up through the CPA:18 merger. Now shifting to the 2023 guidance that we put out this morning. We anticipate producing AFFO per share somewhere between $5.30 and $5.40, every bit of it generated by real estate following our departure from the non-traded REIT business, which works out to roughly 3% growth in real estate AFFO at the midpoint; underlying this is projected investment volume ranging from $1.75 billion to $2.25 billion. And per what Jason mentioned, we've currently got solid visibility into no less than $700 million of that total.

Toni Sanzone

executive
#4

At this point, we're working under the assumption that investment volume is spread fairly evenly across the year. As for disposition activity, we currently expect it to land somewhere between $300 million and $400 million for the year, with most of that expected later in the year, which mirrors the anticipated timing for the Marriott operating hotel sales I discussed earlier. Turning to capital markets activity and how we're positioned on the balance sheet: we continue to hold a very strong capital position, with substantial dry powder, plenty of liquidity, and only moderate leverage, all of which our capital raising efforts further reinforce. Late in the fourth quarter, we settled just under 2.6 million shares tied to our outstanding equity forwards, so that will be fully captured in our first quarter diluted share count; on top of that, we issued more equity forwards through our ATM program, both in the 2022 fourth quarter and during January of this year. Combined with the equity forwards already in place, that leaves us with roughly $560 million of forward equity available to settle at present. We closed out 2022 with $276 million drawn against our $1.8 billion revolving credit facility, and together with our undrawn equity forwards, that keeps us in an excellent liquidity position, totaling a bit more than $2.2 billion, which gives us plenty of liquidity to carry out our near-term pipeline on a leverage-neutral basis and ensures we retain significant flexibility regarding when we tap the capital markets; right now we have $430 million of mortgages coming due in 2023, some of which will be retired through our disposition plans, and nothing maturing in the bond market until 2024, all of which we still see as very manageable, particularly with debt capital markets improving and our demonstrated capacity to raise capital even through choppy markets, as happened in 2022. As of year-end, our leverage metrics stayed inside our target ranges. Debt-to-gross assets came in at 39.8%, at the low end of our mid- to low 40s target range, while net-debt-to-EBITDA was 5.7x against our target range of mid- to high 5x. Cash interest expense coverage was 6.3x, which came down relative to the 6.7x posted in the third quarter, mostly a reflection of rising interest rates. Finally, we keep delivering stockholders growing, well-covered dividend income, with a payout ratio of 80.2% for the year and an appealing dividend yield of roughly 5.2% at present. To wrap up, even with the difficult market backdrop, we delivered solid full year results, driven mainly by the accretive impact of new investments, our merger with CPA:18, and the strength of our rent escalations. And looking forward, we have a strong near-term pipeline that we're well positioned to execute on thanks to the strength of our balance sheet. With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for questions.

John Kim

analyst
#5

Eric here, filling in for John. I was wondering whether you might sort of take us through what's driving the AFFO guidance — the pluses and minuses. How much does FX affect it per share, and how much comes from interest expense?

Jason Fox

executive
#6

Toni, would you like to handle that question?

Toni Sanzone

executive
#7

Yeah, I caught that one. Thank you, John. So yeah, I believe we've pointed to several items during this call. Just to sort of wrap it up, we're experiencing quite a bit of expansion from our investment activity and from the embedded CPI-based rises within our portfolio, yet we're also encountering several counterbalancing items. Regarding interest expense, I'd say that's truly the largest headwind we're facing, and it accounts for roughly about 3% growth on the offset. As for FX, I'd say it matters less in terms of what we're forecasting for 2023, simply given where rates stand right now, and where they settled during the latter portion of the year. So I'd say FX might actually become a tailwind for us, unlike how it worked against us in 2022. So I'd certainly say the biggest drivers sit on the interest expense side; but beyond that, I mentioned several other points, including some leakage we'd anticipate from vacancy or downtime at certain assets, and then a few smaller items, which are the dividend payments we aren't getting from Lineage and WALTs that we got in the prior year, plus some higher G&A and tax expenses. So all of that really adds up against the growth we're seeing and brings us to about 3% for the year.

Analyst

analyst
#8

All right, thanks for that. I also appreciate the detail about cap rates trending wider as we head into Q1. Could you break down how cap rates differ across the various sectors and geographies? And where are the largest spreads you're currently observing?

Jason Fox

executive
#9

Yeah, absolutely. So our view is that cap rates have more or less settled into some balance during Q4, and that's continued into this year. Cap rates in Q4 came in around 6.8%, and that was 50 basis points above the full year average, on average — or higher than it, rather. I believe that's also showing up in the transaction markets. When it comes to regions, U.S. versus Europe cap rates, I'd describe them as perhaps comparable ZIP codes right now. My sense is the U.S. may have steadied somewhat more, since given the situation with borrower costs in Europe, we'd likely — we would probably need to observe somewhat more cap rate growth to produce the sort of spreads we believe we want to transact at in Europe. Then looking at property types, I'd say the smaller end of the increase is likely in U.S. retail, which has shown itself to be somewhat stickier. Perhaps that's logical — it's somewhat more crowded when it comes to competition in net lease, and perhaps there are still some 1031 trades hanging around. On the larger end, I think the area where we've witnessed cap rates shift would be industrial, especially sale-leasebacks. When you consider corporates as well as private equity firms making use of sale-leasebacks, they're really evaluating what other sources of capital they have, which would primarily be the leveraged loan market or high-yield debt markets, and those remain mostly dislocated. So I think we currently have some pricing power in that market, and cap rates are showing that.

Greg McGinniss

analyst
#10

Happy anniversary, and I appreciate the thorough way you kicked things off. Honestly, most of what I'd planned to ask has already been covered. That said, I've got a few held back; so first, Jason, could you speak to what kinds of assets are currently in the pipeline? From a tenant and property type angle, where are you finding the greatest success with assets that carry more sensible cap rates?

Jason Fox

executive
#11

Yes, absolutely. Let me walk through the visibility and deal volume we're seeing — I referenced over $700 million, and roughly $500 million of that consists of pipeline we describe as investments at advanced stages. The remainder is split between transactions already closed year-to-date and the capital projects and other commitments we take on annually that are set to wrap up in 2023. That piece accounts for roughly $150 million out of the $700 million. As for what kinds of deals sit in our pipeline, the weighting leans more toward the U.S. at present, or perhaps North America as a whole; that region appears to be where more actionable deals are coming from, and as I said before, transaction markets in Europe still have a bit of — some room left to adjust to the sharper rate increases we saw in Europe. So the tilt is somewhat more toward the U.S. and North America. On property type, it mirrors what we've historically acquired. It's 2022. My recollection is that 70% of our deals were industrial, covering warehouse and manufacturing plus some R&D; and I believe the rest was probably retail. The pipeline follows that same pattern; it will be mostly industrial, R&D, warehouse production, and we also have some retail opportunities under review in both the U.S. and Europe. And I want to note that the bulk of our activity, once again, is sale-leasebacks, and the bigger transactions in this pipeline involve private equity-backed deals, largely in support of M&A activity. So there's some uncertainty around how the timing shakes out, since more moving parts come into play when you're closing transactions concurrently with the buyout. But naturally, execution plays or execution risk is something the sellers are much more focused on. And I believe that's why we're a great partner, and it shows up in the pricing we can get from those deals.

Greg McGinniss

analyst
#12

All right, I appreciate the additional detail. I have a few brief questions regarding lease expirations. To start, is the 1% tied to Marriott part of that 3.9% rolling off in 2023? And given that rent recapture has been quite robust lately, particularly for industrial properties, should we think of this as potentially a more typical pattern going forward for those warehouse and industrial leases?

Jason Fox

executive
#13

Brooks, would you like to handle that?

Brooks Gordon

executive
#14

Okay. So Marriott is part of that 3.9%. If you remove it, you get roughly 2.8%, and another, let's say, 50 basis points has more or less been settled already; what remains, then, is approximately 2.3% of ABR set to expire during 2023. That's pretty manageable. As for what you asked about the leasing metrics themselves, we've certainly posted a solid stretch of results, and that has us feeling fairly optimistic. Even so, I wouldn't take any single quarter, or even two quarters, and project it forward. Our preference is really to focus on a trailing 8 figure, which sits at roughly 102% recapture. So projecting from one quarter is tough, since it depends heavily on the individual transaction. Still, I'd agree there are certain tailwinds, particularly among our warehouse and industrial assets, which have been working in our favor, and we intend to keep seizing that.

Joshua Dennerlein

analyst
#15

Dan here, alongside Josh Dennerlein. What do you anticipate for same-store in 2023? And we'd welcome any extra insight into what's behind your guidance.

Jason Fox

executive
#16

Sure. Toni, would you like to address that?

Toni Sanzone

executive
#17

Yeah, regarding the same-store side, I do have a few remarks there. Because of the lag in our leases, we anticipate inflation will keep flowing through. So we expect that figure to rise to roughly 4% and stay near that mark across the entire year, and that applies to the contractual same-store side. I missed the latter portion of your question.

Analyst

analyst
#18

Would you mind adding any further thoughts about what is behind the guidance you gave?

Toni Sanzone

executive
#19

Sorry — behind the what?

Analyst

analyst
#20

The guidance you provided.

Jason Fox

executive
#21

The guidance.

Toni Sanzone

executive
#22

In terms of the growth for the full year?

Analyst

analyst
#23

Yes.

Toni Sanzone

executive
#24

Yes. I believe I already touched on a portion of the challenges we'll face in the years ahead, with interest expense standing out as the biggest one, like I said. Beyond that, it's essentially a combination of several smaller things I pointed out — tax expense, G&A expense, plus a portion of the dividend we got during 2022 from Lineage and from WALT, which won't be there next year. So all of that is piling up, on top of some leakage tied to vacancy and some negative impact from downtime at certain assets.

Spenser Allaway

analyst
#25

Yes. Regarding the Marriott properties, I realize you'll share additional details down the road. Still, I'm wondering whether you could give a big-picture take on what the market for these properties looks like right now?

Brooks Gordon

executive
#26

Sure. So yes, as we mentioned, 12 of those properties were switched over to operations in January, an extremely smooth handover, with Marriott still running them, and they're performing nicely. It's difficult to judge precise timing and execution; however, we believe interest will be quite robust. Our guidance assumed we'd sell 9 of those properties and that they'd close at year-end; but once more, it's tough to pin down timing precisely, and we wouldn't discuss pricing right now. 3 of the properties that we're keeping are genuinely outstanding development possibilities. One is an industrial prospect in New York. Another is a potential lab opportunity in San Diego with a truly great location, and the third sits in Irvine, California. And once again, those will run without interruption in the interim while we chase those possibilities, but they're very strong redevelopment sites.

Spenser Allaway

analyst
#27

And then perhaps on a wider scale regarding the transaction market. Could you all just give us some insight into how overall deal volume that you've sourced so far this year in both the U.S. and Europe stacks up against last year?

Jason Fox

executive
#28

You mean up to now in the year versus the same time a year ago? Is that what you're asking, Spenser?

Spenser Allaway

analyst
#29

Yeah. I'm just attempting to understand what the broader market appears like, perhaps not regarding every single thing you're actively underwriting, but rather concerning the total amount of deals being sourced out there?

Jason Fox

executive
#30

Yeah. Well, what I mean is — like I said before, I believe the sale-leaseback market at present is likely the strongest we have ever witnessed, and several elements are driving that, among them being private equity companies and the way they fund their operations. I believe the other options simply aren't as competitive when it comes to cost, primarily high-yield debt or leverage loans. I think the second element, at least regarding how we contend in the sale-leaseback market, is that mortgage availability truly remains not particularly robust, or the execution is somewhat unpredictable; so many of the conventional real estate private equity purchasers we go up against, I would say, are still mostly watching from the outside; so I think those 2 elements are genuinely sort of merging to — plus the fact that debt rates have leveled off somewhat, which has resulted in perhaps a narrowing of the bid-ask gap between purchasers and sellers for deals. I think everything together has genuinely positioned us nicely for a transaction market. Relative to this same period a year ago, I mean, when we kicked off last year, we were pretty optimistic. And clearly, the steep interest rate hikes during the first quarter sort of altered the direction of the pipeline from last year. But given where we are at this moment, this is the strongest start-of-year pipeline we've had in quite a while. There are some larger deals included. As I said before, a number of those are backing M&A activity, so the timing might be somewhat unpredictable, but we feel positive about our current position. And so I think it's a solid market, and we'll observe how the year unfolds, obviously, but it's very favorable at the moment.

Mitch Germain

analyst
#31

No worries about that. My apologies — from what I understand, just roughly 5% of your debt matures during this year. How do you plan to handle that mortgage debt?

Toni Sanzone

executive
#32

Correct, that's accurate. I believe the figure is a bit more than $400 million in mortgages coming due during this year. When you look at how large our balance sheet is and where we're positioned, that strikes us as quite manageable. There's a great deal of flexibility available to us, in my view. Our credit facility has capacity exceeding $1.5 billion, and we also have roughly $560 million in equity forwards that are essentially parked on the balance sheet, ready to be taken out. So in my view, we have plenty of ways to tackle that. Given the scale of the pipeline and the transaction volume we anticipate this year, you should expect to see us active in the market on the debt side. That said, I believe we're well situated, with the $430 million being quite manageable for us.

Mitch Germain

analyst
#33

Great. And Jason, has anything shifted when it comes to how you view the operating storage portfolio?

Jason Fox

executive
#34

Yeah. Look, we continue to assess it. That's a category of property that we — that we're fond of. It's been in our hands for quite a while. Extra Space and CubeSmart give us solid property managers backing us; so I wouldn't claim our thinking has shifted. All the choices remain on the table. We could keep holding these, we could take some raw and turn them into net lease. We could also explore disposing of a few at appealing pricing if we believe that's the optimal route to finance fresh deals. So — and it very well might be some mix of everything just mentioned, but nothing major has shifted. In the interim, I'd say we're happy with the fundamentals. Growth may have decelerated from where the industry topped out in 2022, yet we still anticipate quite robust same-store growth from this portfolio in the current year. Based on the budgets at the property level, we're likely sitting in the mid- to high single digits for this portfolio. So I believe we can remain patient and keep capturing some of those increases. And on the whole, it pairs nicely with our net lease portfolio; so I suspect we'll simply be more opportunistic about which route we take here.

Anthony Paolone

analyst
#35

The first item concerns Lineage. I believe you increased its valuation, yet you mentioned not receiving a dividend during this year. Could you explain what is going on with that?

Toni Sanzone

executive
#36

In January of 2022, a dividend came to us from Lineage, and our understanding is that it reflected their taxable income positioning; in January of this year, that same dividend did not arrive. As you pointed out, though, what matters most to us is the investment's value, and it keeps rising; following an offering they completed this year, we marked it up, and now it stands at roughly $400 million. Their performance, in our view, remains consistently strong, but the cash flow produced by this investment likely varies somewhat annually.

Anthony Paolone

analyst
#37

All right, got it. Then, Toni, you talked about the difference between the year-over-year same-store increases and the overall same-store figure for 2022? So when we consider '23, that 4% you mentioned, do you believe that's what flows through to AFFO, or is it more like the overall same-store number? Or do you figure there are some things pulling it down?

Toni Sanzone

executive
#38

I believe you're correct — during 2022 and also 2021, there were quite a few shifting pieces in the overall figure, with rental recoveries and similar items, so it fluctuated between periods. Before the pandemic, and really going back through our history, what we typically observe is roughly a 100 basis point reduction from the top-line contractual same-store number. And I'd say that's a fair assumption for us going forward — there will always be certain offsets running through it. But that 100 basis point reduction relative to the top line is likely a solid expectation for us.

Anthony Paolone

analyst
#39

All right. And so, I believe, just to confirm that I've got this correct. So when we consider a build, you begin with the 4, perhaps there are 100 basis points of drag, and after that we apply whatever FX assumptions we like, I suppose, which would sit on top of that, and sort of reason through what actually causes the slowdown.

Toni Sanzone

executive
#40

That is correct, yes.

Anthony Paolone

analyst
#41

All right. Then only one more thing, and I want to be sure I have this right. My understanding is that you mentioned operating property NOI of $100 million for '23. I missed whether you also said the Marriott properties are in there for 11 months, or if the Marriott assets are excluded.

Toni Sanzone

executive
#42

Yes, the Marriott is in there. Those are part of that $100 million.

Brad Heffern

analyst
#43

Jason, you mentioned that the sale-leaseback sector is extremely strong. What I'm wondering is whether, beyond the increased volume and cap rates, you're also seeing improved lease conditions — things such as steeper escalators, extended terms, stronger lease protections, anything of that nature?

Jason Fox

executive
#44

Yeah, I'd say every one of those. That's among the advantages of sale-leasebacks, since we draft our own leases — or rather, we negotiate them ourselves — and to a certain degree, we're able to set the conditions that matter to us, and lease term has been something we prioritized for 2022. For new deals, our weighted average lease term, I believe, came to 19.9 years, which matches where we've historically been. My expectation is that 2023 will also match that figure. But that is something we pay attention to. Beyond cap rates, I think we continue to observe some upward pressure regarding the kinds of bumps we receive. As you might expect, we're encountering some resistance to inflation-linked increases. However, the caps we implement periodically — and that's perhaps more of the discussion at present — those sit higher than their historical levels. A portion of that has carried over into fixed rate increases too. Historically, I believe we've averaged roughly 2% fixed increases, and my expectation for this year is that we'll land somewhat above that. For 2022 leases, we are indeed above that on fixed increases. So look, I think we may possess slightly greater negotiating leverage in certain of these transactions, given that firms have fewer alternatives for raising capital. I believe sale-leasebacks represent a genuinely strong opportunity at the moment. There's less competition targeting sale-leasebacks, and even fewer — perhaps none — with a track record as lengthy as ours when it comes to execution. So I think all of those elements give us added structuring flexibility, and we'll sort of weigh what matters to us against what we obtain.

Brad Heffern

analyst
#45

All right, and next I'd like to ask about the watch list. Has it gotten bigger or smaller? And I suppose, is there anything we ought to be monitoring that might not be apparent from that 18% of ABR whose tenants you've named?

Brooks Gordon

executive
#46

Brooks here. Sure — credit quality on the whole is pretty solid. To repeat, roughly 32% of ABR carries an investment-grade rating. Most of our counterparties are sizable firms with excellent capital markets access, and we're gathering essentially all of the rent owed to us. As far as the watch list goes, it sits at approximately 2.5% of ABR — for context, the peak during COVID was a bit above 4%. Credit quality has therefore gotten better since that time. Even so, we are definitely monitoring macroeconomic and industry-specific headwinds carefully. You won't find real patterns or themes on the watch list; it's highly anecdotal and specific to individual tenants. Still, given where we are in the cycle, we want to keep extremely close tabs, and that's what we're doing. So that's roughly where the watch list stands, and I wouldn't say it looks any different as such versus recent quarters.

John Massocca

analyst
#47

Perhaps returning to the buy-side, and sale-leasebacks specifically, are you noticing a split when it comes to pricing among tenants with an investment-grade rating versus those without such a rating? I realize the second group is roughly where you usually complete transactions most frequently, but has there just been some shift regarding what people expect to pay across those 2 distinct categories of possible tenants?

Jason Fox

executive
#48

John, we aren't — I'd say we aren't truly encountering many sale-leasebacks from investment-grade rated parties. And like you said, that generally isn't where our attention has gone. My sense is there's a fairly significant split. The genuine chance we see sits right beneath investment grade, where such businesses and such credits possess far fewer options for obtaining capital. So once more, I'm not especially dialed in to what's happening with investment-grade sale-leasebacks, yet my guess is that space has stayed far steadier and likely hasn't risen nearly as much. In the same way that investment-grade bond markets haven't shifted to the degree the high-yield market has. I believe that shows up in how sale-leasebacks get priced too.

John Massocca

analyst
#49

All right, and when it comes to your company's own balance sheet, what's your current view on leverage? Based on the guidance, it seems you're expecting leverage to stay fairly level compared with where it sits in 4Q. That said, since equity pricing right now—especially next to debt pricing—maybe it makes sense over a longer horizon to reduce leverage, simply because that pricing gap looks quite favorable, particularly compared with prior periods?

Jason Fox

executive
#50

Yeah. Well, we are...

Toni Sanzone

executive
#51

please continue. My apologies, you first.

Jason Fox

executive
#52

no, I'll let you take it.

Toni Sanzone

executive
#53

Yeah, I believe we're still targeting leverage around that mid- to high 5x area. I'd say we've been favoring our equity. As a source of our cost of capital, the pricing on our equity has been quite favorable. I don't think we see the future environment regarding where we're able to issue debt as something that keeps us out of the market over the long term. So I think we'll keep staying in the range we're in at present, so roughly leverage neutral compared to what you're seeing there; but I do agree that we're definitely favoring the equity, given how well priced it has been.

John Massocca

analyst
#54

But I suppose there's been no shift in philosophy, meaning perhaps 4% to 5% in the middle is now the sort of goal range, simply due to the opportunities available in today's climate.

Toni Sanzone

executive
#55

No. What I'd say is that we keep examining the range we already have as our goal. And honestly, I believe our credit standing was just confirmed again through the upgrade we received from the rating agencies. So I think we feel at ease with the goal ranges we currently have established.

Greg McGinniss

analyst
#56

One more brief question. Toni, I value the detail you gave regarding anticipated revenue from the operating properties. What I'd like to know is, when examining the roughly normalized pro rata cash NOI for self-storage plus the other operating properties, I noticed a decline versus the prior quarter. So I'm simply asking what's driving that.

Toni Sanzone

executive
#57

Sure, quarter over quarter, there truly isn't anything worth flagging. Storage, I believe, keeps performing strongly. I described our outlook for the year ahead, and we anticipate mid- to high single-digit growth for storage. Seasonality likely plays a role. One hotel asset, rather than a hotel portfolio, sits in that line, so putting it on an annual basis probably pulls that figure down somewhat. Still, I'd suggest focusing more on our full-year projection, which across that entire portfolio comes to $100 million.

Peter Sands

executive
#58

Appreciate that, Donna. And thank you to everyone joining us on the line for your interest in W. P. Carey. Should any further questions come up, feel free to reach Investor Relations directly at (212) 492 to 1110. That wraps up today's call. You're welcome to disconnect now.

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