Waste Management, Inc. (WM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
June 1, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Sean Eastman
analystHello, everyone, and welcome to the KBCM Industrials & Basics Conference fireside chat with Waste Management. My name is Sean Eastman. I cover solid waste for KeyBanc, and I'm going to be your host for the discussion. We're joined today by newly minted Chief Sustainability Officer, Tara Hemmer; and by Mike Watson, Chief Customer Officer. Thank you both for connecting with us today. We really appreciate the time. I've got some questions prepared and investors are welcome to submit questions using the Q&A feature. I'd like to say just be mindful of the expertise we have with us today in terms of your questions. We've got about 30 minutes, so let's get into it. I guess it would be great to start high level. I mean, considering Waste Management's size and market positioning, I feel like there is a responsibility to sort of pave the way for change in the industry.
Sean Eastman
analystSo within your respective roles in the organization, where do you see the most meaningful change for the industry coming over the next 3 to 5 years? And where do you see WM as being most meaningfully ahead of the curve on those trends? Love to hear from both of you on that. Maybe Tara to start?
Tara Hemmer
executiveSure. Thank you so much, Sean, and happy to be here. And it's going to come as no surprise that my comments will be centered around sustainability. And here at Waste Management, we don't want to think of ourselves as an industry leader. We want to think of us as a -- ourselves as a sustainability leader in North America and in the world. And I like to say that the work we do each and every day makes living in cities and communities possible. If you think about what we do on behalf of society, the way that we move material from point A to point B and handle it responsibly, it's critical to everything that happens next. And when you think about where the industry is headed and where Waste Management is headed, certainly over the next 3 to 5 years, we see much more aggressive investment in recycling infrastructure within the circular economy and certainly the trends that we're seeing on decarbonization. And we think that Waste Management has a role to play in each of those elements. Our customers are looking for solutions to their waste needs and really rethinking what the things that are discarded, how they might have their next best life. One of the reasons why we've invested over the past 2 years over $200 million in recycling infrastructure, and we're continuing to make those investments. And at the same time, looking at ways to take our traditional businesses like landfills and take the energy that's generated within those landfills through biogas and convert that energy to renewable energy sources through our renewable natural gas platforms. And we're constantly looking for different ways to play in those spaces. So I certainly see the industry, and in particular, Waste Management, taking a leadership role in thinking through the circular economy and ensuring that those materials that are managed each and every day, that they find their next best home.
Sean Eastman
analystVery helpful. What about you, Mike?
Michael Watson
executiveWell, thanks, Sean. It's great to be here as well. Building on Tara's comment around technology and our customer differentiation, I think the next 3 to 5 years, I see the industry really developing more technology to differentiate itself from its peer group. And specifically for Waste Management, our investment in customer service digitalization, I think, has proven to our customers and to our operating structure that the investment in technology could be a differentiator, not only for growth but also for cost to serve. And that our customers are looking to engage with us in a much more digital platform. And that investment we've made over the last 2 or 3 years that are really accelerating now, I think, will pave the way not only from the customer interactions on the front end, but all the way through the operation and service delivery, whether that's container inventory management, routing, dispatching the like, or how we can improve the operation and the experience our drivers have on the street. So the whole continuum of digital investment, I think, is where we're really going to see some separation in our industry and also a big differentiator for Waste Management in the next 3 to 5 years.
Sean Eastman
analystGot it. So a lot of interesting stuff there. Hopefully, we can get back to all of those elements in more detail. But a couple of items I just want to hit in the interim is, firstly, pricing discipline. Clearly, it's been a bright spot in WM's recent financial performance, both at the landfill and residential pricing in particular. So could you explain to us what's enabled that? I mean is it cultural, is it technology enabled? Is it competitor behavior sort of supporting that? Could you sort of round that out for us?
Michael Watson
executiveSure. We would agree definitely that pricing has been a bright spot for Waste Management, primarily on our commercial industrial line of business before the last couple of years. We are very demonstrative on making sure we had the appropriate cost recovery mechanisms for both residential and disposal, specifically, residential. As we all know, it's a very costly business, a lot of labor, capital. And we aligned on process and some technology and some customer analytics to make sure we were making the appropriate investments really driving the change needed in that line of business residentially. And our yield in Q1 doubled to over 4% for residential, which we had never seen before in quite some time. So I think our leadership there really focusing on the cost recovery and really where we can get a premium and also to match the investment we're making in that line of business. So I would say similar to disposal, again, trying to recover some of the inflationary elements of that business. It is a scarce asset that really is a differentiator for Waste Management. We wanted to make sure we had the appropriate pricing and pricing leadership that was required for that line of business. And again, our core price in the landfill line of business is over 3%. And these are things we haven't really caught our stride until the last couple of years. I think it's a real alignment of the people, the process and then supporting technology and analytics that have really driven that.
Sean Eastman
analystOkay. That's helpful. And this kind of segues into inflation, which is a big topic for the investment community these days. I mean, is inflation a concern? How do these big CPI prints impact the model? And how would you tie this inflation topic back into the pricing discussion?
Michael Watson
executiveWell, very similar to what I mentioned in the previous question, I think ultimately, our goal is to make sure that we could pass through any type of cost impacts we have through our line of business, specifically on the landfill side. Landfill liners, the additional costs associated with managing these facilities is important. It's a huge asset. It's a competitive advantage for us, and we need to push those pricing levers forward. About 40% of our business is indexed to some level of CPI or CPI-WST. So obviously, ultimately, we could pass through those specific measures through those pricing levers. But also we have to understand that we're in a cost recovery approach and also trying to identify where we can get price premium for the services we provide. And we've done that across the entire landscape, hence, our pricing leadership and results over the last several years, really.
Sean Eastman
analystSo what would you say to investors concerned about inflation? Maybe the idea is that the pricing programs in place should keep you comfortably a spread above sort of inflation expectations going forward?
Michael Watson
executiveYes. I think that's a fair statement. The other thing, too, is I think as we look at the way we can differentiate, that's the whole goal of what we're trying to do as a brand. And the services we provide is to drive a differentiation wedge from our peer group and separate ourselves from the industry, as Tara mentioned, around sustainability. And I think ultimately, we've proven that we can get the pricing we need. And that we'll be able to pass that through, and we've done that considerably. And I think as we move forward, thinking about the impacts that this industry has, some of them are kind of homogeneous across landscape, some are not. But for the most part, we've had the capability and leadership to drive pricing and overcome the inflationary cost pressures.
Sean Eastman
analystThe other kind of positive takeaway from the first quarter was the nice downtick in churn. And I'd just be curious to hear what levers you have internally to keep that number trending in the right direction.
Michael Watson
executiveYes. That was definitely a bright spot. Coming off of 2020, I think we really showed up as a brand for our customers when our customers needed it the most. We made adjustments in service levels. We were very accommodating for our small medium business customers, that was a big leadership message that we had. We provided a free month service for our customers that were recovering through the COVID. And I think that's really played an important lever in our retention. In addition to that, we made some adjustments in our sales organization where we shifted a lot more resources to the inside with a better coverage model. And we feel like better coverage models allowed an improved customer experience and engagement that has driven down defection. In addition, as I mentioned before, we invested in customer service digitalization, which has allowed our customers to self-serve and communicate at their channel of choice with Waste Management. And we feel that's also been an additional driver of reduced defection.
Sean Eastman
analystGot it. So I mean, both of you guys have been in the organization since the '90s, I believe. You've seen a few up cycles. Clearly, the business seems sort of positioned and poised for growth here. I mean how would you kind of characterize the tools or other resources at your disposal kind of headed into this up cycle that really influence the business' ability to capitalize on this growth coming kind of relative to the last couple that you've seen with the organization?
Tara Hemmer
executiveWell, given that we've both been with the company since the mid- to late '90s, I would say that one of the biggest differences is when we started with the company very much an analog-type business. And now we're really leveraging digital tools. And I think that if you think through what happened during the pandemic, that was a huge accelerant for us. We had plans underway, as Mike mentioned and we talked about during Investor Day, but in a lot of ways, the plans to further digitize and digitalize the customer experience accelerated. And you're seeing us leverage many of those tools, including our smart truck technology. These are all examples where we have deep insights into what's happening with our customers so that we can build broader solutions in the future. The other key piece I would say is our people-first commitment, and this is something that certainly has been amplified again over the last 2 years. But during COVID, the way that we took care of our employees so they can take care of their families and then ultimately our customers was a differentiator for us. We had a 40-hour guarantee. We did not lay off any of our frontline employees, and that's paying off for us on the back end here. When we have these labor pressures, we saw our turnover decline during the period, and it seems to be holding. So how we treat our people is definitely different and something that I know Mike and I are very proud of, as is the rest of the SLT. So the last thing I'll just comment on, if you think through how both Mike and I started in the mid-'90s, when we were solidly a trash company at the time. And if you look at the transition over the 20-plus years that we've been here, we moved from a trash company to a recycling company to a trash and recycling company that's working in the energy space to an organization now that's leveraging all 3 of those and then thinking through how do we make those customer connections to solve some of their biggest problems when it comes to what's happening in the world with decarbonization and with the energy transition. And so we're well positioned to capitalize on that in the future.
Michael Watson
executiveYes. I think Tara summarized it well. I think the one thing I would add would be the balance of the revenue-generating portfolio, to kind of piggyback on what she's saying. We have opportunities and have seen great growth in our strategic business solutions or our national accounts. We see growth in our sustainability solutions on a consulting basis. We've seen growth on our SMB net churn, and the balance of our customer segments is very well in line. So we're not heavily weighted towards one sector or the other, which I think is a critical part to a solid business model, but also have the ability to kind of balance out the portfolio for continued growth. And we're seeing that happening here coming out of Q1 into Q2. And that growth is definitely accelerating, and we're seeing that across multiple lines of business. And I think as a leader in the industry around our people, I think that's where we can really see the growth happening as being able to attract and retain top talent through the return of the economy is something that we talk about every day, and that is a commitment we made from the top down through the tough parts of the pandemic even into the volume recoveries and around our people. And that's probably the biggest shift I've seen. We're much more asset-based operationally based. And the script really was flipped with Jim Fish's leadership around let's take care of our people, who take care of our customers and the shareholders will prevail. And that was -- that's really rang true through the toughest times of 2020.
Sean Eastman
analystSuper helpful. And then I've got to ask this one. I mean the industry generally saw solid waste volumes recover kind of at an accelerated clip exiting the first quarter. I mean has that continued? And kind of underneath that, are you able to comment on what we're seeing from a seasonal uplift perspective going into the summer months?
Michael Watson
executiveYes. Tara, you can jump in because you're connected on the operational side, but I would say that the seasonal uptick is almost muted because of the volume recovery. Usually, you have these kind of very seasonal elements of the spring. We still have some laggards regionally, whether that might be some of the provinces in Canada that are slower to open back up. But for the most part, the economic recovery, we're seeing in our service increases. As Tara mentioned, our smart truck technology is picking up opportunities for upgrades and service based on us capturing the [ overlies ] when we service our customers. Our e-commerce has really picked up specifically on the temporary roll-off side. We're seeing volume recover quite extensively in the majority of the lines of business. So I don't know if, Tara, if you have anything to add there.
Tara Hemmer
executiveYes. I mean the other thing I would say is there are certain places within the country where we're not seeing seasonality because people never left during COVID. Like a great example of that is the Florida Panhandle, where we normally have people who come there in sort of a spring break to October time frame, and they never left. And you're seeing business expansions in those locations, a lot of the beach locations. And then the other thing that we're really planning for is the school returns. So school districts, when they do return, they represented roughly about 10% of our commercial business. And so that will be huge. We're expecting that all schools will return in the fall. So that will give us a nice volume bump in the fall.
Sean Eastman
analystGot it. So I mean we've got sort of this COVID recovery and normalization dynamic. We've got some seasonal uplift. But what about just kind of general new sales, forgetting about all of those dynamics? You guys talked about the smart truck technology, et cetera. How would you characterize sort of new business wins of late?
Michael Watson
executiveThey've actually been very strong. I think that's one of the things we focused in on 2020 was how do we differentiate and build some value propositions for our customers. And as I mentioned, a bright spot for us was our strategic business solutions where we've seen a lot of really solid big brands coming into our portfolio into tail end of 2020 into 2021. Our net customer churn rate is one of the top that it's ever been. We mentioned that 8.2% defection. Our net customer churn is considerably positive coming out of '20 into 2021. I think that's also a testament of how we redesigned the sales organization. We took some sales cost out, and we reappropriated those from a channel-of-choice standpoint. I mean, specifically, we've seen some real nice improvement in our e-commerce platforms across all the lines of business, whether that's commercial, open market residential and/or temporary roll-off. And those have not cannibalized any of the other sales channels despite an augmentation of growth. So we -- that's also been a very bright story. So I think we've always got -- let's make sure we take care of our customers and that defection rate, keep that suppressed, and we're seeing that continue. But our growth rate of new customers coming in the portfolio has been really encouraging. And I think a lot of that has to do with what we've done for our brand and also just our overall e-commerce investment and self-help tools that I think is really driving a lot of that growth as well.
Sean Eastman
analystOkay. Got it. And let's shift over to sustainability. I mean, Tara, taking over the Chief Sustainability Officer role, ESG, clearly a big topic in the investment community, and in particular, in the solid waste space, it seems. What's sort of the pitch or message to the investment community in short? And what do you think might surprise people about where WM is today, whether from an emissions perspective or a circular economy perspective? And perhaps more importantly, where WM plans to be in sort of 3 to 5 years?
Tara Hemmer
executiveSure. You know what, it's fascinating because I really think that Waste Management is at the intersection of so many different sectors that we touch each and every day. And we are so well positioned to help those sectors meet their broader sustainability goals in a way that no other company really is able to. Because we touch the circular economy, we also play in the energy space and can help with renewable energy. And at the same time, Waste Management as a company, I think this is often misunderstood. We don't create any of the waste that's generated. We manage it in the most responsible manner possible based on the solutions that exist today and the solutions that we're looking forward to implementing in the future. And so trying to be innovative in that space. I think there are a couple of things that people don't really fully appreciate about Waste Management and our environmental platforms. The first is you go back to 2010, we've reduced our model landfill emissions by 40%. At the same time, our -- the amount of tons that we've been putting into our landfills has increased. So that's huge. We've done that through enhanced gas collection, cover, innovative technologies in our landfills. And at the same time, through our broader fleet strategy, we've reduced fleet emissions since 2010 by 36%. And that's because we've been transitioning to a CNG fleet. We're almost at 70% of our routed fleet is CNG, and we're continuing to push and press there. And then finally, we offset the emissions that we generate by 3x through the services that we provide, and that goes back to that customer connection. We're helping our customers recycle. That's a huge platform for us where we recycle over 15 million tons per year, the largest residential recycler in North America. And many of these consumer product organizations are coming to us to help them think through how do they package their products in a way where they can be recycled, how do we work with municipalities to help them pull more material out of the streams. So we're at a crossroads with the rest of the world, but also with our customers where we can help them serve and solve their bigger, broader needs. And I think when you look at the platforms and the different directions we can go, there's a lot of opportunity within the sustainability space for growth.
Sean Eastman
analystAnd my next question on sustainability is if we just look at the sustainability mandate holistically, should we view that as a cost for the business or as a revenue and earnings driver when we kind of boil it all down? And maybe, Mike, you could chime in here as well, just in terms of how sustainability intersects with the sales and marketing platform.
Michael Watson
executiveYes, I could start there. I do think that, as I mentioned earlier, our Strategic Business Solutions Group and our Waste Management Sustainability Solutions Group are really utilizing these platforms to help support our customers in meeting their own sustainability goals or helping them create and craft their sustainability goals and how to execute on achieving those. That's been a big focus and growth platform for our national footprint customers, whether that's environmental regulation and policy management, whether that's reporting how they build their own sustainability goals. So this is really an opportunity where we feel we have a strength, both on asset and customer base, to improve the value we provide to our customers. In addition to that, it's the zero-waste event that we have, our biggest brand event, the WM Phoenix Open, has been a platform for us to demonstrate how we can lead in this space, has actually created more opportunities for events and other customers to understand how they become zero-waste organizations or have a zero-waste event. So we've actually created a small team to help support zero-waste events across North America. So that's also been a unique way for us to walk the talk and also use zero waste as a driver of growth for Waste Management.
Tara Hemmer
executiveYes. I completely agree with what Mike said. And I think when you looked at Jim's announcement of my new role, it was very intentional. It was around leveraging sustainability as a growth engine and figuring out how we can continue to amplify that. You're seeing it in our investment in renewable natural gas facilities. It's a great example of how we can close the loop between our CNG trucks that we operate every day and the landfill gas that's generated at our landfills, where we clean that landfill gas up to pipeline quality gas that can ultimately fuel our trucks. And we're investing in those facilities. We have a pipeline of 18 to 20 RNG plants that we could potentially build. They have a strong economic return profile, and they also continue that circular loop when you think about the sustainability story. So I think that's really important. I would be remiss though if I didn't mention the risks. And of course, there are risks and potential costs that we're monitoring like carbon tax and some of the tax policy that could be implemented. But we do feel like we've done, and we're continuing to do many things to reduce our overall carbon footprint as a company and then thinking through other business lines that could potentially offset that.
Sean Eastman
analystGot it. And I mean, how do we think about sort of the potential for a dramatic shift in how waste streams are managed longer term? I mean, I guess, just the obvious one is sort of more volumes shifting away from the landfill and towards the recycling line of business. I mean can WM maintain the return profile or maybe even return -- improve the return profile of the business if we do see a dramatic shift like that over the next decade, say?
Tara Hemmer
executiveSo when you look at it on an ROIC basis, our recycling line of business has the second highest ROIC of our lines of businesses. So higher ROIC than landfills. So from a return profile, we definitely think that, that transition to more recycling is something that we fully support and want to work with our customers, municipalities and other entities on. So we're actively engaged there. Now I think it's important to note that while we have 270 landfills across our network, we also have a network of recycling facilities. And we've been investing in examining other technologies that could replace landfills in the future. And so we're going to continue to examine that and navigate the transition. But I think California is a great example where California has legislated many different things out of landfills. And our landfill volumes are still up, and that's because our landfills are taking in more special waste types, so maybe less organic material, but more contaminated soils and that sort of thing. And so there's going to be a place for landfills in the future, but we absolutely want to figure out how can we harness some of the value of the material that's currently going in there and figure out a way to do it in an environmentally responsible way and also continue to broaden the economics of many of those.
Sean Eastman
analystOkay. Well, our 30 minutes went by way too fast there. If you have any closing remarks, maybe a quick comment you'd want to leave with the investment community, let's have that and we'll wrap up.
Michael Watson
executiveI'll start. I just think Waste Management is uniquely positioned with its asset network, its differentiation value through technology, supported by a real strong brand and really has a real balanced growth profile over the next 3 to 5 years that would be very well suited for a continued investment. I think we've got a balance of sustainability and a growth portfolio with a strong brand that will definitely continue to grow.
Sean Eastman
analystTerrific.
Tara Hemmer
executiveI agree with Mike.
Sean Eastman
analystOkay. Great. Well, thank you both so, so much for the time. Could have used a lot more time with you, too. But hopefully, we get some more time together in the future. And everybody listening in, thanks for joining us.
Michael Watson
executiveThank you, Sean.
Tara Hemmer
executiveThank you. It's our pleasure.
Sean Eastman
analystTake care.
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