WideOpenWest, Inc. (WOW) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
December 1, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Brian Russo
analystOkay. Perfect. So hello, and welcome to the 24th Annual Credit Suisse Technology Conference. I'm Brian Russo, part of the Crédit Suisse Research team here covering the communications sector, and I'm pleased to be joined today by Teresa Elder, Chief Executive Officer of WideOpenWest; along with John Rego, who recently joined as Chief Financial Officer. Thank you both for being with us today.
John Rego
executiveThank you.
Teresa Elder
executiveThanks, Brian.
Brian Russo
analystGreat. So our time is a little bit limited. So let's jump right in. I'll start with a question with -- for -- I'll start with a question for Teresa. So WOW! is a new strategy, sort of a broadband first approach that some of the others in the cable sector are also focused on. Can you help us understand how WOW! now operates differently than maybe just a year or 2 ago?
Teresa Elder
executiveYes. I can absolutely answer that. In the last year, we've done some really transformational things for the company. Specifically, it was a year ago at this time that we launched a trial in Charleston, South Carolina, for really emphasizing streaming services first rather than our video packages with our customers. That was so positive, we decided to launch that across the whole company. And it was really about giving customers' choice and leaning into it and being agnostic on what video services our customers subscribe to. We also, early this year, launched in our first market, WOW! tv+ which is our IPTV based service, which allows us to offer those video packages but in a way that is much more visually appealing and easier navigation for our customers, but operationally, much more efficient for us and allows us to reclaim bandwidth. So we've launched in the last year, WOW! tv+ as a service to over 80% of our footprint, our streaming services, and helping customers -- really customize that to their needs for 100% of our footprint. And the other big change, of course, we have to acknowledge is with COVID. We have dramatically accelerated our self-install capability. Since, of course, like all of us, customers don't want people in their homes. So that has been a win-win for customers. But also, it has been financially good for us as well, and it keeps our technicians safe.
Brian Russo
analystTerrific. That's a great intro. We'll touch on a bunch of the topics you just covered throughout the question. But I also wanted to give a question for John, just right off the bat. You joined the company relatively recently. Maybe you can tell us kind of what brought you to WOW! and why you're excited about the opportunity in front of you.
John Rego
executiveYes. That's great. Great one. Thank you. Yes, so I've been here, at the end of this month it will be 5 months -- 5 months [indiscernible] passed. So it's going so fast. But when I was looking for new opportunities, I had just sold my last company, and I was looking for new things to do, and I kept getting drawn back to WOW! And my early routes were in large telco companies. And I actually worked for time at RCN, which was part of Astound by the way. And I was fascinated that the company was sort of at that pivot point into the broadband first strategy and that this was going to become predominantly a high-speed data provider. When I started drilling into the numbers, like, it remained to be a little bit like a software business, like, it's high 90% like gross profit margins with less OpEx below the line and less CapEx in running that business. And just think can you -- in a period, a very short period of time, you like, could do something absolutely transformational. I also saw a company that had a stock price that struck me as somewhat depressed versus where peers were trading. And on many levels, it felt like this is like a pre-IPO startup, and we're getting in just as like something really good as we're going to get the big contract, something big is about to happen. It seems like a really great opportunity to help the team sort of further to -- for the broadband first story as we go forward. And it just -- everything kind of came together for me. And it's been nothing but wonderful being here for the past 5 months.
Brian Russo
analystTerrific. So sticking with the broadband first strategy, I think one of the things that investors saw when you reported your 3Q is that you sort of put through a significant price increase on the video side, and we saw a corresponding drop in WOW!'s video subs, probably the largest in the last 5 years. Would it be fair for investors to expect those kind of trends to continue in the coming years, given sort of the increased focus on broadband and the more agnostic view of video?
Teresa Elder
executiveYes. We're absolutely customer-led. So if customers are deciding they want to take more streaming services in lieu of a video package, we're right there with them. So we absolutely coach our customers on how they can manage their budget, if that's what they're asking us to do and we provide a wide array of choice for them. We actually have a pretty sophisticated system that allows our online customers as well as customers talking to our representatives to really go through the process of deciding what kind of genres, what kind of content they want. And helping them pick the package that's right for them. So yes, we'll always be customer-led on that. If streaming services continue to increase their prices, if there's a bit of a move back, we have that hedge with our IPTV service, which allows us to have a curated package for customers.
Brian Russo
analystOkay. So you may have actually answered the question I was about to ask, which was just a little bit more about WOW! tv+, your IP video product. It's available, 80% of your passings. And at the same time, like you said, you're offering these third-party video services like YouTube TV and fubo and that sort of thing. So maybe you could talk about like why invest in your own video product as a service at all? Is it -- have you -- do you find there's still a lot of customers that really prefer to deal directly with you instead of a sort of third party? Or maybe you can help us understand what the rationale is behind continuing to sort of invest to have a great robust video product of your own?
Teresa Elder
executiveWell, a couple of reasons. And the first always starts with the customer. There are customers who do like that kind of curated pay TV package. And so we have that for them. We also have a base of customers, many of whom have a video package. And so we'll migrate them eventually to the IPTV product, if that's what they want as well. But as we look at new customers, incoming customers, what we've seen is that 80% of the customers are signing up for high-speed data only. And that means they may also be subscribing to multiple streaming services. So when we say high-speed data only, it doesn't mean that they're not subscribing to video. Video consumption is up dramatically. For us, it's really about keeping the relationship with the customer. So we've been continuing to grow subscribers, even though the video product, or RGU, is declining. So it's about really being where the customers want to be and having those options for the customers.
Brian Russo
analystGot it. That makes a lot of sense. So I want to turn to WOW!'s broadband service. I think, when we just sort of look at the results in 3Q, I think there's a number of factors that sort of influencing the trends there, whether it was COVID or the Keep Americans Connected Pledge or some other things. So I was hoping to break these down a little bit, just to help folks understand what was going on underneath. Maybe we can start with COVID. So in your view, has COVID helped you grow subscribers sort of more than it has hurt perhaps. Maybe there's a demand pull forward or the need for businesses and consumers to have this versus maybe the inability to get into the customer's home or the lack of maybe when college starts up, that you would normally seasonally see a lot of broadband ads. So maybe you can talk through how COVID has influenced things this year with your broadband product.
Teresa Elder
executiveYou bet. And I'll start out, and John, feel free to kick in as well. So I think it's been a mixed bag, but probably for WOW! and really for our whole industry, a bit of a benefit in a way because we were there to help solve our customers' problems, which is what we're all about. And like all of us, we're working from home. Our kids are learning from home in many places. And then just all that demand for entertainment as well. We started out the year even before COVID in January was very, very strong net adds and then it just continued to accelerate. And one thing I'm especially proud of is how our network has been operating. We've been the first operator in the U.S. to have over 1 gig services and 95% of our footprint. So our advanced fiber-rich network really was built for a moment like this, so we were well prepared. And not only did we see the huge increase in demand for broadband subscriptions but we also saw our existing subscribers use much, much more bandwidth. And our network was able to take care of that and really served our customers well. So those things have happened extremely well. But the FCC pledge, clearly, we've participated in that Keep Americans Connected that ended June 30. We did see, for us, we had the net adds in the second quarter. We saw quite a few disconnects associated with that in the third quarter, which was more than our usual associated with that as customers have had economic challenges. We've also seen some economic challenges clearly in the commercial space, especially with some of our small business customers. We're there to help them become more digital if they have a business that's able to go online. And then the back-to-school this year was just different than usual. Because students might have moved back-to-school but then moved back home. And so it was different than our normal big third quarter back-to-school push. So things have just been different this year. Some of the city trends have kind of been thrown out the window.
Brian Russo
analystGot you. Just a follow-up on the Keep Americans Connected Pledge, I imagine you're constantly working with your customers to sort of, if they have financial hardships that may be temporary to kind of stick with them. Do you think that we've seen most of the impact of that pledge ending in the third quarter? Or are there still customers that you're continuing to work with that we may see something in the fourth quarter that like lingers on or what have you?
Teresa Elder
executiveYes. I don't know. There might be a few that linger on into the fourth quarter. We always have been a company that works with our customers in financial hardship. And I would say, not that it's published data throughout the industry, but just from my history of being at multiple companies, I can say this is some of the best churn I've seen anywhere in the industry. In terms of, WOW!, we really work with our customers. And also, our products, at the starting point are value priced. So we try to make sure that we fit in our customers' budget and work with them. So it remains to be seen. We'll see what happens as the quarter goes on.
Brian Russo
analystMakes sense. And just a follow-up on the churn comment. I think you put through sort of a modem fee increase we saw that in the ARPU. Can you tell us what you saw with respect to churn for the customers who maybe bought that increase?
Teresa Elder
executiveYes. I would say customers, if they didn't want to keep leasing the modem, there's an easy choice and that is to buy their own if they would like to do that. But we are still have a substantial number of our customers who felt that, that was a fair price, it's very competitively priced with all of our peers. And we provide wireless modems, which are it's a great product, too. So those who kept it, I think, are happy with the product that we're providing them. And if they decided not to do that, they bought their own modems.
Brian Russo
analystGot you. So let me follow-up on one of the questions -- or sorry, one of the things you mentioned about with regard to the speed. So I think there was a slide in your earnings presentation, showed in the past sort of roughly half of your new HSD only connects took 100 megabits a second speed. But in the past 2 quarters, it was the majority, roughly 80% or so that took 200 megabits or higher. Can you talk a little bit about sort of what you think drove this change? And is there anything sort of noteworthy in the behavior of those customers that are taking higher speeds? So I'm trying to understand if it's a certain type of consumer that would like that? Or is this just a trend that sort of everyone is realizing that faster is better?
Teresa Elder
executiveWell, I think it's -- the pandemic, our customer base, it's a lot of things that are coming together at once. We previously talked about all the streaming services. And I think the streaming services operate very well on higher speeds, especially if they're being used in multiple places in the home and maybe with a video gamer and somebody doing video conferences all day long. Customers just need higher speeds. We've encouraged that because our network can handle it, and we know customers like it and stick with us longer when they're happier with higher speeds. So we've made it an easy transition to upgrade for our existing base as well as we've had attractive rates for new customers. And those customers at the highest speeds, many of them also take advantage of our Whole-Home WiFi mesh network product which we think is a terrific product. I certainly have it in my home, so does John. And it really allows people to have that kind of high-speed WiFi throughout every part of their home and gives them additional security and control. So we like that add-on product for our customers and the customers who have it tend to be stickier and have longer lifetime value too. So that's all good with us.
Brian Russo
analystYes. Okay. Life is definitely better in my household for having the Whole-Home WiFi for sure. And so one last follow-up on this. So the vast majority of your new customers are taking these high speeds. Are you also seeing sort of a material percentage of your existing base of customers migrating up beyond the 100 megabits as well?
Teresa Elder
executiveYes, this year has been unprecedented in terms of seeing our existing base upgrade as well. And I think it's for the same phenomena that we're seeing with new customer acquisition, people are streaming more services, there's more home learning, there's more working from home. And all those things just mean that there's a need for more bandwidth consumption.
Brian Russo
analystGot you. All right. So I wanted to turn to ask a couple of questions about Edge-Out and your Edge-Out strategy. In your -- the earnings slide that we saw, you showed both your 2018 and 2019 Edge-Out vintages, have been growing penetration pretty steadily every quarter. The 2018 vintages are now up to 19.6% penetration. The 2019 vintages are now up to 14.8% penetration. Can you discuss sort of how the pace of the new Edge-Outs may be -- change this year? And what investors should expect, I guess, for next year?
Teresa Elder
executiveYes. I think there's a couple of changes that transpired this year. One is we actually have had such big years in terms of growing out new Edge-Out areas the last couple of years. We slowed a bit this year, both because of COVID and some challenges with build-outs but also just preserving CapEx as we were trying to figure out what exactly all the impacts of COVID were going to be on our business. We also saw that we really with prioritizing the safety of our employees, we took some of our field sales folks out of the field for about 4, 4.5 months at the beginning of COVID. And while they aren't our largest sales channel, they are an important one when it comes to Edge-Outs. Believe it or not, that kind of door-to-door sales really works when you're introducing yourself to a new neighborhood. Now they have been back in the field, and we have great protocols in place and we continue to grow our Edge-Out properties. We're very selective in how we choose those areas, and I've been pleased with the progress we've been making.
Brian Russo
analystGot you. So with respect to your -- how selective you are when you choose these areas, is there anything you can tell us about maybe what caused to pass a new home or what the ROI is for these new passings that you do select?
Teresa Elder
executiveSure. I'll take a breath and let John answer that.
John Rego
executiveYes. Well, we never -- sorry, we never quite got that granular with the disclosure. But I would say that the economics on Edge-Outs are really good. So to pass a home for, say, about $600. And the payback on that is pretty massive in comparison. When I look at Edge-Outs, it's part of our growth strategy for sure. It is not the lion's share of our growth. It's like 25% of the incremental growth that has come from Edge-Outs and the rest comes from thing the [ exiting the incumbent ] market. So it's been a good strategy for us, as Teresa said, we pulled back a little bit this year on the CapEx that we're spending to build out new territory with a greater focus on penetrating what's already been built. Across the whole 19 markets of WOW!, we're roughly 25%, 26% penetrated in the aggregate of everything, everything. And so when you talk about 19.6% or 14.5% as the initial get-to would be, well, let's get those 25% penetrated and see where that goes. We're going to still spend money doing Edge-Outs, but you might have noticed in the past couple of quarters disclosure we spent last this year on purpose. It's always been sort of focused on where those dollars get spent, but that's like really laser focus. Maybe we should build out 2 areas that, high concentration of multiple dwelling units to get 100 prospects as opposed to building out 10 houses and getting 2 prospects, that kind of thing. So it's just kind of different to it as we kind of level the thing out. So while all this is going on, we got helped little bit by COVID. We had a [ colder feet ] on the street for us out on the field for a while, about 4 months. And so it all kind of comes together, but the Edge-Out economics are still pretty going good and compelling. And most of our competitors are trying to do that just now as well [ consumer-focused ].
Brian Russo
analystYes. So that was going to be -- so that sort of dovetails into the next question I had, which is in the areas where you are edging out, do you notice that the competitive intensity there is similar or different from your main footprint?
Teresa Elder
executiveI would say we try to be very strategic in the areas that we choose where we know we can be successful. So we're always looking for things, like John said, the density of the population, the cost to build, the intensity of the competition, all of those factors come into play. And so no, I don't think we are -- I would say, if anything, they might be a smidge less competitive because that's our choice to go into some of those areas.
Brian Russo
analystRight. Makes sense. So let's talk a little bit more about competition in general, putting Edge-Out aside because WOW! is used to competing against some fairly large-scale players like Comcast and Charter and AT&T and such. Is there anything you can tell us about what you're seeing from maybe each of those as you sort of compete door-to-door, either this year or in general, has there been any sort of change in the competitive intensity anywhere in your footprint that you've noticed?
Teresa Elder
executiveReally, for the last 20 years since this company was started, we've been all about being the challenger brand. It's in our DNA, so it's not something new that the company is learning. We've always been very local and very agile. And I guess some of the things I'm very proud of are that our customers often refer us to other customers and view it as a different type of animal than our competitors. So unfortunately, in this industry, cable TV companies are -- have some of the lowest Net Promoter Scores and the dose reputation. We're viewed as different than that. We're viewed as a trusted adviser to our customers, and they're kind of rooting for us as the underdog. So I think that helps us a lot. And that's one of the advantages we have. We really guard that very carefully that relationship with the customer. We generally are more value-priced than our customers. But it's really about the speed and the reliability of our network. And that since Day 1, we have had a legacy of customer service. I think that higher Net Promoter Score that focus on customer service, and really giving our customers choice on things like video, makes them realize we're not just pushing things at them that we're there to help solve their problems. And that has been a winning combination for us.
Brian Russo
analystMakes a lot of sense. One last question on competition before we move on, which is I think Verizon launched a fixed wireless broadband service in Detroit, a market where you operate. Are you seeing anything there so far in terms of how that product competes? Does it compete any differently? Is it not even noticeable yet? Any comments there would be interesting.
Teresa Elder
executiveYes. I would say not really noticeable yet. We always are watching what any new competitors are doing as well as our existing ones. I spent half of my career in the wireless industry, so I'm always interested in what's going on there as well. And so I would say we know how to compete. We are a network that's already built out, already fast, already very competitive in that market in all of our markets. So we keep our awareness out. But so far, I don't think we've seen any impact.
Brian Russo
analystGot you. All right. So let's turn to the financials and a little bit of the outlook. So there are a few questions that are meant for John, but Teresa, feel free to jump in as you see fit. So starting with revenue, John. It sort of seems that if we think about the broadband first strategy, that is probably likely the video revenue because your RG user are sort of in decline, that the video revenue is probably going to decline along with it. And that's what -- and we're forecasting because that had been such a significant piece of your overall revenue that will probably be sort of a weight for the total revenue, but that's obviously underneath the next layer is sort of the incremental margin of these products. So maybe you can talk about what investors should think about in terms of total revenue for the company, but then underneath how the mix is changing and what that means for your adjusted EBITDA?
John Rego
executiveYes, it's a great one. So a couple of things on that. So when I -- when I was doing my diligence on the company before joining, I took a look at the road show deck from the IPO, which is only 3 years ago. And there was a slide in there that stick out because it showed high-speed data at 97% gross margin; TV, 40% gross margin. Well, the funny thing is, high-speed data is still around a 97% gross margin and TV is sub-20% in 3 years, that happened. Our cost of programming costs are so high. So we do like these price increases, that's just to keep pace with like the programming cost. So even though TV revenues are declining, the gross profits are going up. Okay. That's not a number we disclosed in the SEC financial statements, so folks don't always get to that. In the last earnings call, we published incremental contribution, which is the gross profit for [ other ] subscription-based services. And you can see that's up 300 basis points in a very short period of time. That's going to continue to climb, and that's the gross profits of the company continue to climb as TV starts to go away. So we're going to see this shift and we know all that's going on, we're selling more and more HSD, we're selling more and more higher tiers of HSD. So I believe we can reach a point a couple of years out, we're like we can actually get our revenues back up to, say, like 2019 level, but a significantly higher gross profit margin, and as I'll tell you in a second, at a significantly higher EBITDA margin below that. Because even at the gross profit level, TV really sort of hurts you, but in the operating cost to run the business, TV is really expensive. So TV drives a disproportionate amount of calls into customer care. They are long calls, they're not they are not you know, they're not the calls that are resolved in 30 seconds. They take time, often times they might resolve, without having a truck roll go out. So it puts a lot of burden on the business to support TV. Versus high-speed data when your internet goes down, we're all smart enough now to shut the modem off in 30 seconds, turn it back on. If it doesn't work, then we call customer care, and they basically tell us to do exactly the same thing. So as the sort of shift happens, we can expect increasing EBITDA and increasing EBITDA margins. But more importantly, or as important is also increasing cash flow generation. TV drives the largest amount of CapEx for the business, and the company's business has been fairly CapEx intense, as you know. So when you look at TV, the biggest drivers of CapEx there are the CPE because the set-top box is a pretty pricey. The truck rolls themselves, much of the cost of a truck roll is capitalizable under current accounting standards. And so as we start to see less and less TV, there'll be a natural decreasing of CapEx. We saw a bit of that this year with COVID and the drop-off of video sub. So we saw our CapEx 9 months this year versus a year ago is down around $33 million, sort of substantial. It's noticeable. The other area where we've taken CapEx down a bit has been in our Edge-Out strategy, which is spend less but get more. And so yes, we're at that stage now that the company sort of done all its operational things, has gotten the pivot going, the whole sort of dynamic of what this company is, is changing. So we should hopefully see ever-increasing EBITDA and ever-increasing cash flows. So that's kind of the plan.
Brian Russo
analystTerrific. No, I mean, that was sort of like 5 questions in one for me that you just knocked off, but I wanted to follow-up on one thing, to be clear on the CapEx, because I understand the CP costs going down as there's fewer video customers, I believe you did have to do investments in a better box related to your IPTV. But then the Edge-Outs, I don't want to say you're going to resume, but probably going at a faster pace than what we saw this year. And so do all of those sort of net out to like a lower capital intensity profile for WOW!? Or is it more of like they sort of even out or they net out and we're sort of at the right run rate, in your view?
John Rego
executiveNo, I would expect over time to see it being lower. And as I measure of capital efficiency, where folks take our CapEx over revenue. That's a bit best up because the revenues are coming down, become TV. But it is coming down. And bottom line, the spend is coming down. That's on purpose. That's part of the strategy. And the goal is more and more increasing cash flow out of this business, now the business is 20 years old. And I think we have a great opportunity as we give the pivot to see that keep happening. And that is part of the plan, because we hope to be able to start delevering the company in a meaningful way. So incremental cash flow being generated will clearly help us get to that spot. And then I think that's just nothing but positive for the equity.
Brian Russo
analystPerfect. Perfect. So I have only really time for one more. And so I wanted to ask about M&A, sort of, a jump ball for either of you. There was recently a transaction we saw in the marketplace involving private equity firms, and an asset that's not unlike, WOW!, maybe you could just comment, what did you find interesting about that deal?
John Rego
executiveYes. I'll take a jump. I mean, one, the fact that Astound, as we were talking about and the biggest component of Astound was RCN, where I worked 25 years ago. But yes, that's got all but 12.5x EBITDA, okay. Successfully the same business that we're in, whereas our business is trading at 6.5x EBITDA. And I think for a lot of investors, we can based it on either the increase we've seen in the stock price recently, I think people start to walk up and say, "Hey, maybe they've got something value there. Maybe that company is somewhat undervalued. So I think that was really very positive for us that that happened. From our perspective, it also got us to say, well home, gee whiz, so market is willing to pay 12.5x for some of these assets. That could be an opportunity, theoretically to delever a little bit quicker sooner as we look at maybe select markets of the company, 10x, 12.5x of market. Because I think a substantial delevering of the company would just be profoundly accretive to the equity. And still be left with a fairly sizable business that's still growing and generating great EBITDA, et cetera, et cetera. So I think Astound was an excellent comp for us. So we're happy that they got it done.
Brian Russo
analystAny notable differences in the competitive footprint between those 2 assets?
John Rego
executive[indiscernible] (00:09:52) last three markets are, I think a little tougher than ours.
Teresa Elder
executiveYes, I think they are.
Brian Russo
analystThey are more competitive, talk about that?
Teresa Elder
executiveThey're in some major cities, we're more in the suburbs. Certainly, the grounding and [ weighing ] pieces, I think, are a little bit different than ours and probably are a little bit more incumbent-like. So there are some differences, but I would say, substantially, the markets are very similar.
Brian Russo
analystUnderstood. All right. Terrific. That is -- we finished just on time, so I want to thank everyone. Thank you, Teresa; thank you, John, for participating with us. We hope to see you again at our conference here next year. And in the meantime, I'll look forward to your next earnings call.
John Rego
executiveSounds like, plan. Thanks.
Teresa Elder
executiveThanks, Brian.
John Rego
executiveHave a great day.
Brian Russo
analystTake care.Thank you, both.
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