Wise Group plc (WISE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 16, 2026

LSE GB Financials Financial Services trading_statement 34 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#1

[Audio Gap] Wise, and welcome to our Q1 FY '27 Results Call. I'm Sarah Lewandowski, Director of Investor Relations. I'm joined by our CFO, Emmanuel Thomassin. Emmanuel is going to run through our results before giving you a chance to ask questions. Before we start, we have a reminder that we will be making forward-looking statements today, including statements regarding Wise's future performance. These statements are not guarantees and can involve risks and uncertainties and other factors that may cause actual results to differ. Please refer to our SEC filings for more information on these risk factors. All forward-looking statements made in this call are based on current expectations, assumptions, estimates and beliefs and we undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, except as required by law. And with that, I'll now hand over to Emmanuel.

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#2

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our Q1 results call. Well, I'm pleased to present the financial results for the first quarter of the financial year 2027. We started the year with continued growth in customers and volumes. Today, I'm going to take you through first our financial highlights in the quarter; second, the drivers of our revenue growth; third, our approach to pricing. And lastly, I'll cover guidance for the year before handing over for Q&A. But now starting with our financial highlights for Q1 2027. During the quarter, we continued to see significant growth in our performance metrics as our customers accelerate the usage of Wise for more and not only for cross-border transactions but also for everyday needs. Our active customer base increased by 21% year-on-year to almost 12 million. Our cross-border volume increased by 26% year-on-year to $69 billion with especially strong growth in Wise Business of 39% year-on-year. Customer holdings grew by 31% year-on-year to $41.2 billion, including $10 billion held through Wise Assets. I will now take you through what this means for revenue growth in the quarter. In Q1, we generated $350 million in cross-border revenue from customers sending or converting currency. This represents a growth of 22% year-on-year. This increase is a little lower than the 26% growth in volume, reflecting a reduction of the average take rate from 52 basis points in Q1 '26 to 50 basis points in Q1 '27. We also generated $191 million in card and other revenues from customers using the Wise card abroad and at home, but also investing in our asset products and additional customer activities such as domestic transactions. This represents a year-on-year increase of 38% with the increase mainly due to card revenue, driven by the rise in business card spending in North America and growing personal card adoption in the U.S. and APAC. Taken together, transaction revenue totaled $541 million, representing a year-on-year growth of 27%. As highlighted in our full year results just 2 weeks ago, customers are also trusting Wise more and more with their money. At the end of June '26, customers held $31 billion on the Wise Account, up 24% compared to the previous year. As we invested these funds in liquid instruments, we generated $225 million in interest income during the quarter, up 15% year-on-year. Growth in customer balance didn't fully translate to interest income growth as we saw a reduction in gross yield from 3.3% in Q1 '26 to 2.9% in Q1 2027 as a consequence of the Central Bank decisions during 2026. So I covered different layers of our customer activities, including sending and converting money and growing with Wise assets, but also holding balance with us. Together with revenue from using the Wise Card and other revenue streams, including the fees from assets, this drive our net revenue growth. In Q1, we delivered $714 million in net revenue, up 25% year-on-year with an increasingly diversified revenue base with 51% of net revenue being driven by non-cross-border activities this quarter. So moving to a reminder of our investment framework. Overall, we believe in driving growth through continuous investment. Our investment framework is a clear evidence of this. And by targeting a medium-term 15% to 20% income before tax margins, assuming we are able to pay our target interest income back to the customers, we are able to invest in our growth and into our pricing. This, in exchange, drives more scale and operational efficiencies, providing us with additional margin for capacity or for reinvestment. With our investment framework alongside our direct investments in the business, we seek to invest into sustainable reductions in our prices. We do this always in a position of strength. This remains a long-term goal, driving down prices for customers while building a sustainable profitable business. In our full year '26 results, I gave details on how we expect to reduce the take rate this year. We expect to continue sharing efficiency with customers as we generate extra capacity for investments. This quarter, the take rate reduced to 50 basis points, down from 51 basis points last quarter and down from 52 basis points a year ago. As I said a few weeks ago, for 2027 and depending on the additional capacity that we can generate, we expect this to be reflected in a reduction of 1 to 2 basis points in each of the following quarters. Our investments into pricing are a core feature of our business model, which supports the long-term sustainability of our business. Finally, looking ahead, we expect to see a continuing trend of rapid growth, and we'll continue to invest to achieve this. For this year, we continue to expect net revenue growth to be around the middle of a 15% to 20% range on a constant currency basis. Due to the phasing of our investments into pricing, we expect this growth to be more pronounced in the first half of the year. We have seen this in Q1 with growth of 25% in net revenue year-on-year. And we also expect that the scheduling of our investments will drive a comparable trend in our income before tax margins. While we expect full year margins to be around the high end of the 20%, 25% range, we expect this to be front half weighted, delivering results slightly above this target in H1. Well, now let's move to the Q&A session.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#3

[Operator Instructions] And our question is from Mohammed Moawalla from Goldman Sachs.

Mohammed Moawalla

analyst
#4

Great. Emmanuel and Sarah, well done on the results. I had 2, if I may, Emmanuel. The first one, I know you sort of had flagged that you'd be running kind of ahead of your kind of annual guide in the first half of the year. When you look at the kind of the growth in Q1, I mean, was that sort of in line or above your expectations? And if we sort of assume this robust run in the first half, it would suggest that even for the 9 months, right, your kind of implied growth rate is kind of more to the low end of your guide for the remaining quarters. So does that suggest that maybe the landing zone is more likely kind of not at the midpoint, but more in the kind of upper half or towards the upper end? And if it isn't, what are the kind of factors that we should consider? And then secondly, I noticed business had a pretty strong performance. Can you also give us a sense, I know you don't always give us quarterly breakdown of platform volume and kind of unpack the kind of drivers around the strength in business, please?

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#5

Yes. Thank you very much, Mo. In terms of growth that we've seen in our Q1 2027, obviously, we are very pleased with what we see. This is in line with what we saw last year and also like confirmed our strategy to invest and reinvest the efficiency in our business. So we think the growth that we saw in Q1 is in line with our expectations. And concerning the full year, as you know, we expect to continue to pass the efficiency that we get also into pricing. I mean like this quarter, in April, we lowered our take rate by 1 basis point. We announced 3 weeks ago that we will do 2 basis [indiscernible] in the second quarter, followed by probably one and one in Q3 and Q4. So the first part of the year is obviously not impacted or not so much by the price reduction, while the rest of this -- or the second half of the year will be. So on a projection, we guide you or we guide the market that we would be at the middle of the range from 15% to 20%. It's fair to say that we always take a conservative view. And we feel comfortable with this guidance as of today. On platform, as you can imagine, we're super excited. This is always -- we leverage our infrastructure. This is the best way to acquire customers. We don't need to acquire them one by one. But then we provide this infrastructure to partners, which in reverse, opened the -- we again then indirectly their customers using us. So we are extremely bullish. We have a nice pipeline. And I'm very happy to announce that today, we're at 6%, roughly around 6% of our total cross-border volume generated by the partners. So as also Kristo mentioned, like 2 weeks ago, we have a nice pipeline. And yes, we're looking ahead with confidence.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#6

And next, we have Aditya from Bank of America.

Aditya Buddhavarapu

analyst
#7

Thanks for taking my questions. Just a couple. So customer growth was quite strong, up 21%. Could you just comment on how that maybe looked like by region? Are you starting to see some of the benefits of the marketing spend you've been doing across some of those markets? And second, you mentioned very strong spending on business cards in North America and growing adoption of the personal card in U.S. and APAC. Any color on that as well in terms of what's driving that and maybe is that more features or just part of the marketing of -- push as well?

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#8

Yes. Thank you for your questions. Well, in general, we have growth across the regions. We invest in all regions. As you know, because you mentioned marketing last year, we've done campaign in all segments almost. But we're very pleased with what we see the evolution in APAC, but especially in America, I mentioned businesses today, which are growing very nicely in terms of active customers and also volumes. That's fair to say that these regions is benefiting from our investments that we've done. And we will disclose a bit more in half year in terms of region development, but APAC as we mentioned before, and the North America, especially U.S., are overperforming. In terms of APAC card revenues, this is in line with the customer activities. And I think there is -- you could expect that APAC and also Americas are performing extremely well here.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#9

Thank you. Now we have Justin Forsythe from UBS.

Justin Forsythe

analyst
#10

Emmanuel and Sarah, a couple of questions, if I don't mind. The first one here, I just wanted to talk a little bit between the relationship between revenue growth and the IBT guidance. So both were confirmed here, and you're pointing everybody to the midpoint of the revenue guide and reiterating the high end of the IBT guide. So should we think about it as the 17.5%, let's say, the midpoint equals that, call it, 24%, 25% IBT margin, meaning if you were to overshoot and do, say, 20%, the high end of the revenue guide, how does the correlation with margins work there? Would you then invest down to the IBT margin, say, with price cuts, with additional headcount or something of that nature? And then second question, you flagged personal card adoption in the U.S., and that's really interesting because I feel like in the past, you've flagged actually challenges to winning in card adoption in the U.S. given all of the rewards from interchange that customers can get in spend. And so I just wonder if you could elaborate a little bit more on how you're winning in the U.S. Is that expats that are spending elsewhere? Is it people that are spending in the U.S.? I assume you mean U.S. domiciled people spending elsewhere on the Wise card. So maybe if you could just elaborate on that a little bit, if you don't mind.

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#11

Yes, absolutely. So yes, I mean, within the guidance on IBT that we give today, this is assuming that we will be at the middle of the range for our net revenue guidance, so between 15% and 20%. You mentioned like if we overperform what will be our reaction or what would be the consequence on IBT, we will first look at do we have space to reinvest, add good return. We will as mentioned, invest, not spend. So for us, we will consider to accelerate these investments. But if we don't find room to invest, then the consequence would be like it could have an impact on IBT. But it's too early to say. I think like today, we feel comfortable with this guidance. And we will always first look at reinvestment because these reinvestments are paying off. We see the growth rate in all metrics. And then we will continue -- as such, we feel like do we have enough room to invest and radically to gain more market share in terms of total TAM that you know is really, really large. In terms of card adoptions, this is correlated to our business customer growth. Clearly, in America, we see a very acceleration of these business customers. And accordingly, you have a correlation to the card spending and card revenue that we generate from this.

Justin Forsythe

analyst
#12

Got it. I thought -- Emmanuel, I thought you did also say personal card adoption in the U.S. was strong as well. But maybe, maybe I misinterpreted that. And thanks again for the questions and congrats on a great quarter. I appreciate it.

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#13

Thank you very much. I mean this is both. But like obviously, business will have larger volumes and hence, we generate more revenue per customer, if you will if you look at the business revenue on cards.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#14

Great. Thanks, Justin. Next question is from Cris Kennedy from William Blair.

Cristopher Kennedy

analyst
#15

Historically, you've talked about or you've given some interesting statistics about the outcomes when you establish direct connections in certain countries. Can you provide any color on kind of the benefits that you're seeing from Japan or Brazil, some of your more recent direct connections relative to history?

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#16

Yes. Thank you, Chris. I mean in general, as you know, this is core to our value proposition. This direct integration make us so unique. This is why we know we get partners joining us that they're using our platform or direct integrations. In general, the direct integration are beneficial for our cost base. I mean we generate efficiency with us. This is true with servicing direct -- instant payments, and we had 77% of instant payment in Q1 we continue to increase this percentage from 75% to 77% have their -- not only satisfying our customers, but also reduce the number of contacts that we have with the servicing. So this is direct cost savings. With that, also direct integrations, we are avoiding to work with partner banks for certain countries because then we can provide the liquidity faster. So that have also some savings on the cost of sales. So in general, direct connection, and we see that with all direct connection, a beneficial for, for efficiency, efficiency that we can then decide to reinvest either in OpEx or in pricing.

Cristopher Kennedy

analyst
#17

Got it. And just to follow up, are the benefits in Brazil and Japan in line with the other direct connections that you've had? Or any observations within those 2 markets.

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#18

Sure. Absolutely. I think like I'm not able to tell you right now exactly the amplitude of the savings. I mean, like as you know, in the past, we've seen like the [ cost EBITDA ] by 9x in the U.K. It's too early to say right now for this, but we will give you more color as we go through, and then we can start with H1 results.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#19

And now we have Sven from Barclays.

Sven Merkt

analyst
#20

Maybe first, can you comment what revenue growth was in the quarter on a constant FX basis and if there was any change in the underlying trends from where you exited the year? And then secondly, it's very encouraging to see that business active customer growth has accelerated again and now accelerated for a few quarters. I would be interested if you could share any color on how you see this developing from here?

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#21

Sure. Well, we don't give like constant currency revenue. But what I can give you is basically the constant currency on volume. So we were at 26% as we are defined today, and the constant currency growth rate for our cross-border volume would have been at 24%. So that gives you a bit the direction of travel, the difference between reporting currency and constant currency. I must confess, I forgot the second question, if someone can...

Sven Merkt

analyst
#22

Maybe I can quickly check on -- and in principle, should we -- should the volume and the gap between the constant FX and reported volume growth be similar or yes, a good proxy for what net revenue was in the quarter?

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#23

Yes, absolutely. I mean it's a proxy, right? I mean like it to give you a very good direction of the difference that you will see between constant currency and reporting currency. And on the business customer growth because that was, I think, the second part of your question. I think like what you see is there are all the investments that we've done in here, if I may highlight one in particular, this is the benefit of having a dedicated team in servicing, contacting our business -- the business customers proactively and making sure that not only we react to their questions, but we also look at the business and provide services that they might be not aware of or functions that they should use in their workflows. So more and more, we see the benefits of being proactive, and this -- the reward is the customers or businesses that are -- the satisfaction of those businesses and then grow the business with us.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#24

We now have Pavan from Citi.

Pavan Daswani

analyst
#25

Firstly, just on the elasticity of volumes, you reduced take rates slightly this quarter and plan to continue [ to see ] through the year. Could you maybe talk about the timing of when you expect to see the benefits of this? For example, have you already started seeing a benefit of the recent reductions within the quarter itself. And then secondly, volume per customer growth has slowed in Q1. I appreciate that VPC has more of an output and there's a mix effect there. But is there anything specific to kind of call out?

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#26

Okay. So on elasticity volume, I think clearly, elasticity for us is a long-term game, if I may say so. We don't expect short-term benefit from this, especially when we reduce the take rate by 1 basis point. But we know that on the long term, that is the reason why you or businesses or even partners are choosing to work with us. The combination of the infrastructure that we provide at a very low take rate will always be like the reason why people at the end choose to work with us. That's why the -- I will not expect a short-term positive impact or in terms of getting customers before -- because of their price reduction. This is a long-term game. And this is for us part of our core of the mission. We want to continue to reduce the take rate because we know that at the end, again, this is the reason why our customers use us. In terms of VPC, I don't -- I will not read too much into that. This is not really due to the combination of retail business and partners. The VPC is less and less KPI that we use. Also because of the diversification of our revenue structure. And yes, indeed, there's also like a volatility component to that.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#27

Next, we have Hannes from Jefferies.

Hannes Leitner

analyst
#28

Can you -- I mean, I appreciate the details around the take rate declines expected for this year? Can you just take a little bit help us how we should think of the moving parts from going from Q1 plus 25% growth to come to reach to the midpoint of the 15% to 20%. If I'm thinking you had quite a nice resilient gross yield, that was one part of it, then the take rate should decline. Should we expect card spend and other revenues to hold up and thinking about the customer growth, do you think that can remain above 20%?

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#29

Well, thank you, Hannes. In general, as you said, like the take rate reduction will take part in Q2 with 2 basis points and then 1 basis point most probably in Q3 and Q4. As I said, like your -- the vast majority still today or majority of our revenues is coming from cross-border volume. So the impact on pricing will be perceived on our revenue, on the net revenue. And that's why when we forecast for the rest of the year, we think that the pricing impact will be on the growth rate, and that's why we guide like between the 15% to 20%. Yes, that's basically the philosophy behind it.

Hannes Leitner

analyst
#30

Maybe you can comment on the other parts, like customer growth.

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#31

Oh, yes. So in terms of customer growth, I think you've seen like that we are -- still have a very high KPIs. We're very happy with the customer growth, especially in business. This is in line with what we saw last year. As we continue to invest in OpEx, in marketing and increase our quality -- the service of -- quality of our service, we expect basically this customer growth to continue. And hopefully, we're very happy with the return that we get in terms of customer growth, especially in business that we saw in Q1.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#32

We have Craig Mcdowell now from JPMorgan.

Craig Mcdowell

analyst
#33

I just want to pick up on a point Pavan made of VPC and in particular, on personal VPC. I know a year or 2 ago, you were talking about very deliberately targeting price reductions to generate higher VPC customers. It feels like that's run its course. Should we be thinking about stable VPC on the personal side of the business, going forward or even a decline, if you're moving into perhaps -- APAC regions, perhaps? And if you could comment on that, that would be helpful. The second question, just a brief tactical one. Any kind of benefit that we should sort of discount in the Q1, maybe even Q2 performance just from World Cup, presumably quite a lot of activity happening in the U.S. that you may well be benefiting from. Anything to call out there would be helpful.

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#34

Well, in terms of -- I'll start with the benefit of the World Cup. I think like it's not that significant in our Q2 -- Q1 results. I -- we're more looking at events that happened like a more geographic political event. I mentioned briefly like the 26% cross-border volume growth compared to last year where we did have some political decisions around liberation there and so on and so forth. I don't think that we have a massive benefit from the World Cup compared to the entire business. In terms of VPC, indeed, I mean, like the VPC per customers might be different from region to region, depending on the GDP of the countries or the region itself. That's depending on where the volume will grow, we will see VPC declining in a specific region. But overall, I think like VPC is not the metrics that we use for the reasons that I explained before. The customer mix make it very, very difficult to use this as a real KPI to measure the business. We prefer to look at the deposits of our customers, which is a very strong sign of the trust that they have in Wise and them growing their money. I think that's a very strong KPIs. This is true for retail, but this is true for businesses as well.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#35

Now we have Alex from BNP.

Alexandre Faure

analyst
#36

Yes, just a couple of questions. One is slightly technical, but just thinking of the share buyback program that you talked about a few weeks ago, just curious if this has started already. And if you're buying back shares on the U.K. line or the U.S. line, how we should think of the cadence of a share buyback? So that would be my first question. Second question, because you alluded to it just now Emmanuel, of customer deposit growth, which was quite healthy in the quarter. I think on the per customer basis, it's still down a little bit. How should we think about that sort of customer deposits on the per customer basis slowing down? Is it a function of say, a fiscal Q1 that might be a bit travel-heavy with people who might have lower current balances in their accounts. Just curious how to think about?

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#37

Thank you very much, Alex. In terms of buyback, we are an executive mode -- execution mode. We do have, for the full year, the approval of our regulators, so we are executing on this. Our aim is not to have any impact on the trading. So in terms of volume that we will buy per month nor on which market we will buy. So we aim to buy on both London market and New York market. We don't want to have any impact on liquidity or on the share price. That's a kind of philosophy. We will use, for example, ADTV as a metric, like we look at what is the average and we will put a threshold so that we make sure that we don't have any kind of -- we don't influence the trading. But we are in full execution mode, and that will last for the next 12 months. In terms of customer deposit and the growth of it, I will not read too much into it at this moment. We said this is a snapshot I think I would like to wait until we have a 6-month view in the year to be -- give you more detail and to comment a little bit more.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#38

Thanks, Alex. We don't have any more questions. So thank you, everyone, for joining us. Thank you for all your questions.

Emmanuel Thomassin

executive
#39

Thank you, everyone, for your support. Have a good evening.

Sarah Lewandowski

executive
#40

Thank you.

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