Zenas BioPharma, Inc. (ZBIO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
September 14, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Judah Frommer
analystThank you. Welcome, everyone. Good afternoon. Thanks for being with us at this session of the Morgan Stanley Global Healthcare Conference. We're very excited to have Leon Moulder, CEO and Chairman of Zenas BioPharma, with us. I'm Judah Frommer, one of the SVB biotech analysts here at Morgan Stanley. Let me just read a quick disclosure, and then we'll jump into it: for important [disclosures], please see the Morgan Stanley Research Disclosure website at www.morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures. So with that out of the way, Leon, the company has evolved over the past year. Maybe we can start with a high-level overview of how the pipeline and the balance sheet have developed.
Leon Moulder
executiveWe saw you here last. Yeah, so first of all, thank you for having us here. It's been a great day so far. This is number 13 of 14 or 15 meetings we're having. And let me just make a comment on our disclosures. I would refer you to our SEC filings since we may be making some forward-looking statements here. Of course, the company has progressed quite a bit over the last year as we deepened our pipeline. If we talk just financially first, because you mentioned that, over the last year we put in place a royalty financing with Royalty Pharma that helps us fund the Abexolumab and its launch. We executed on a PIPE transaction. We then followed it up with an equity offering and concurrent convertible note transaction, loan with Pharmakon, and we do have an active ATM. We use that judiciously, and we had two opportunities this year where top mutual funds wanted to get a starter position, so we utilized the ATM twice that way. So we ended the second quarter with about $674 million in cash, and for us going forward, if our Abexolumab for IgG4-RD is approved next year, we're eligible for $75 million more on the Royalty Pharma financing, and then we have the potential to tap into another $75 million on the Pharmakon term loan, and that would provide us cash through the second quarter of 2029. And of course, with what we have going on in our pipeline that I'll mention in just a moment, that positions us really well. Priority number one, of course, for the company, now that we have a BLA under review with the FDA with a PDUFA date of late May, is preparing for the launch and then effectively launching Abexolumab, if approved, for IgG4-related disease in the U.S. Along the way, we're progressing other programs. I'll highlight a few, and we'll get into this more, of course, our two large Phase 3 global programs in progressive MS for our BTK inhibitor, Elobruzinib, and then our newer molecule, ZB001. It's an oral IL-17 inhibitor that's in the clinic now. And in addition, we're expanding the Abexolumab opportunity and have a lupus Phase 2b study reporting out at the end of this year.
Judah Frommer
analystGreat, and we'll touch on all of it. So maybe just starting with Abexolumab in IgG4-related disease. Maybe just set the stage for us a bit with unmet need here and the advantages that a B-cell inhibitor can offer versus a depleter. You've talked about the dosing profile, the ability to pause therapy, but maybe just, you know, highlight that unmet need and what you're trying to solve here. If we back up and look at this disease,
Leon Moulder
executivewhich is a newer disease. It was identified just about 20 years ago. And up until the recent approval, well, now just over a year, there were no approved drugs. A few drugs were put into randomized Phase 3 trials, but not by sponsors, typical sponsors; they were really Phase 4 trials of older DMARDs that were not highly effective. So patients were treated primarily with steroids, which are highly effective. The problem with steroids, because this is a chronic disease, is chronic steroid administration just isn't possible. It was identified that targeting B cells, specifically with Rituximab, could be beneficial. And if you administer a regimen of Rituximab, you can put a patient into remission, and if you periodically re-administer it, you can maintain that remission. Now, the drug, though, has not been the subject of a Phase 3 trial, so the evidence isn't necessarily there for some payers, and it's not approved by the FDA, so it made it a challenge to get it for the vast majority of patients. So if you look at the IgG4-related disease market in the U.S., there are about 20,000 patients who we know are diagnosed and are treated with a variety of different modalities. We believe the actual market may approach 30,000 to 40,000, but with 20,000 today and just over half of those patients flaring frequently enough that they require chronic therapy, the options are limited, except for the approval now of UPLIZNA. If we think about that, the opportunity is really to bring to the clinicians and the patients an alternative. So today, when a patient is flaring, they think about administering a steroid, and then whether that's a patient that should get continuous therapy because they flared enough in the past, and that they have a choice of UPLIZNA or Rituximab, and much of that is driven by that clinician's experience and whether they can get a payer to pay for Rituximab or not, which can be a challenge. So UPLIZNA is getting more and more use over time, and when we come to market, if I'm not wrong, approved next year in the second quarter. We anticipate that a large number of patients still haven't been started continuously on either UPLIZNA or Rituximab. So there'll be a lot of patients that will show up in a flare, show up in a clinician's office with the diagnosis, and have not been on a therapy in a long time other than maybe a steroid a few years ago, or they're a brand new diagnosed patient. And the clinician will need to make a decision. And our market research and work that's been done by many, many of your colleagues on the sell side has indicated that clinicians think about our drug as one approach. It's an inhibitory approach. It shuts down B-cell activity, meaning it reduces antibody production, cytokine production, presentation of T cells, or antigen to T cells, and that's how it works. Or they could deplete a large compartment of the immune system and eliminate B cells. So they think about that, and they generally talk about it as, well, maybe I'll use UPLIZNA, maybe I'll use [Rituximab], depends on the setting, depends on what I can get paid for, or I can use your drug, and for your drug, in my patient population, where almost 50% are over age 65, more than 1/3 of them have concurrent illnesses, that perhaps with your effective agent and inhibitor, that we can pull back at any time and based on the clinical Phase 3 data, where serious adverse events were lower in the drug arm compared to placebo, that the Grade 3 infections were lower in the drug arm compared to the placebo arm, that this could be a good first choice for my patients. So that's how many clinicians are thinking about it, and we think the data supports that thought process.
Judah Frommer
analystOK, great. And then maybe just the dosing profile, how could that specifically be tied into the kind of convenience for the patient? What's the feedback you've gotten? Is it more from patients versus from practitioners?
Leon Moulder
executivePractitioners on that front. And it's both, and both are important in the decision. Of course, in rheumatology, there are many, many medications that are administered by the patients at home via subcutaneous administration. It's sort of a standard now. So, with our drug being an at-home subcutaneous administration, it fits into a typical paradigm as opposed to having to schedule a patient at an infusion center and send them off to find that and have that done. So part of our market research, as we're thinking about the launch of our drug, was to ask that question and understand how important it is. From the survey that we conducted, about, you know, I'd say I think it's like 43% of the clinicians favored weekly sub-Q over every six-month infusions. About 5% favored six-month infusions over our sub-Q, and the rest were indifferent, right? And then we asked patients the question, and 75% of the patients said they'd rather do self-administered sub-Q. So I think that helps. It fits kind of the paradigm of how medicines are given in America today.
Judah Frommer
analystGot it. And maybe just like digging a little bit deeper. For the Phase 3 data, when those were reported, I guess in terms of the efficacy profile versus the convenience profile that's provided, Abexolumab, I guess can you help us with physician feedback on how that convenience profile and that ability to pause dosing, especially in this older population, is being factored in when considering the efficacy versus UPLIZNA as well.
Leon Moulder
executiveYes, so from an efficacy standpoint, obviously, the trial met the primary endpoint and all of the key secondary endpoints. And, you know, the hazard ratio didn't hit a number that some people had in mind, but to the clinicians, that's an impressive number across rheumatology. So in their minds, it's an effective drug. The next thing they think about is that patient population and what would cause them the least issues from a safety and tolerability standpoint. And they like the idea of this inhibitory approach and the data from our Phase 3 study, and then in addition, the convenience that you mentioned of the at-home administration. I think that's the hierarchy is a trade-off of efficacy and safety. This population, they want an effective drug, but they want something that they're really comfortable with from a safety standpoint. And it's not as if the alternatives have a high incidence of severe adverse effects. It's not really that. It's just that these clinicians have used B-cell depletion for many years in various indications off-label, and they occasionally have a catastrophic infection, something really serious. They don't want to experience that again. They don't want to subject one of their older patients to that. So that's where they hesitate and think about our inhibitory profile perhaps being a better first choice.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay, that makes sense. You mentioned, obviously, you have a PDUFA upcoming, but I guess between now and then, I think you've talked about some additional data you could share, maybe at medical meetings, you know, how could additional data kind of further round out the profile for [Abexolumab]?
Leon Moulder
executiveI think what will be important is the upcoming meetings, the IgG4-RD biannual symposium, and that's run by John Stone out of Mass General, and that's where the world's experts in IgG4-related disease get together. And then later in November, or late October, November, is the American College of Rheumatology meeting, ACR. So we submitted information from our open-label extension. Previously, we had released that at six months. Remember, the randomized control portion of the study was 12 months. Yep. At six months in the open-label extension, we had a 92% protection from flare. So we'll update that with the probability of flare at 12 months. So that was submitted. And then in addition to the flare protection, there's a vaccine sub-study underway in the open-label extension. And that's where patients at select sites pause their Abexolumab treatment, then are administered either a flu, COVID, or both vaccines, and then wait two weeks and then measure titers that would indicate protection, and then restart Abexolumab. So we also submitted those data sets and hope to have that presented.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay, great. And then you talked about.
Judah Frommer
analystAbout kind of the off-label nature of utilizing Rituximab. I guess, how could you see that dynamic changing with another drug potentially coming to market?
Leon Moulder
executiveAnd this is more a prediction. Yes. So if you look at the current utilization, Rituximab is still used more than Ocrelizumab. It's more... When you have a launch of a drug that has an indication in the disease and Rituximab is the current drug that's used but doesn't have an indication, you see the launch drug surpass it at some point in time. So I believe UPLIZNA will surpass Rituximab in utilization, but I don't think, of course, with an FDA-approved label and payer support. And we'll come along, if approved, with an approved drug with Phase 3 data. And, you know, payers will make that decision, recognizing that UPLIZNA and Rituximab are on the medical benefit side of a payer, as infusions, and our drug, Abexolumab, will be on the pharmacy benefit side. So the decision process is a little bit different, different group of people in many cases, but UPLIZNA has broad access across the country right now. And we would anticipate having the same as the only approved drug on...
Judah Frommer
analystThe pharmacy benefit that exists. Right. That makes sense. And maybe, I mean, I'll ask this question this way. I guess within the BLA submission process, and you mentioned the PDUFA kind of late in May, in this upcoming year. Any indication of FDA's appreciation of the remaining unmet need in IgG4-related disease that you could highlight?
Leon Moulder
executiveYou know, they're very actively engaged in the review. They don't really comment on it. Yeah. It's not a discussion point. They, you know, they correspond to any questions, you respond to the questions, and then you don't hear anything back. Or further clarification of a question, right. So there's nothing really to point to there, except the review is very active, and from a statutory standpoint, there'll be a mid-cycle of the review as we approach early November and then a late cycle in March. And this is all statutory. You can calculate it. And then if things are moving along, they'll give us feedback on the label in April.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay, perfect.
Judah Frommer
analystAnd you touched on the commercial opportunity briefly, and I think you'll have an investor event upcoming, so I don't want you to front-run your own event, but I guess maybe we could start with, I think you talked about a $3 billion opportunity domestically, and maybe we start with just how does pricing factor in there? How are you thinking about maybe...
Leon Moulder
executiveWhere pricing could come in relative to the appropriate comparators. The way we arrive at that is, I'll go back to what I said earlier, although we believe there are 30,000 to 40,000 patients with the disease in the U.S., we know there are 20,000 diagnosed and treated today, and then that other number of patients who flare frequently enough, they should have continual therapy, and that's 10,000 or 12,000. So that's a conservative TAM today. It could grow. If you just apply the UPLIZNA annual cost, which is $300,000 to that, that's how you get at $3 billion. What I'm not including in that is the first year of UPLIZNA, because there's an extra dose, it's actually $450,000 in the first year. So the $3 billion is maybe a slightly conservative way to look at it. We're not declaring our pricing for this type of disease, and the benefit that comes from that disease, and we've done some of the health economics work around this, that's a reasonable price point to consider for sizing the market as we enter it. We're not going to declare the price now, but that's in the range.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay. That's helpful.
Leon Moulder
executiveYes. No, that's great. And then maybe just kind of the second layer of that is you've done some payer and market access work already. What are you hearing on that front that kind of helps support your thinking on pricing? So this is an orphan disease. So from an overall budget and focus standpoint, it's not really moving the needle for the payer. And they look at orphan diseases like this a bit differently. It's not the type of thing that they manage. It's not a managed class or a managed disease. And as I said, on the pharmacy benefits side, there are no other approved drugs. And of course, Amgen has done a really nice job with their market access team, educating payers and others about the need in the disease.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay. And then, you know, you touched on kind of the armamentarium here. That has evolved, and obviously there's some off-label nature to it as well. But I guess when you talk to docs, is there a slotting dynamic that you expect to happen in terms of where Abexolumab could slot in terms of line of therapy, or you know, do you think, should we be thinking about this as, you know, first line for most docs when they use it?
Leon Moulder
executiveWe did market research before our Phase 3 study and after our Phase 3 study, and interestingly enough, regardless of what we put in front of them, we got the same answer that, and obviously this has to play out with our execution, but about 50% of the front line would be Abexolumab, and the remaining 50% would be split between UPLIZNA and Rituximab. So that's been confirmed in two large market research studies. Obviously, it's our job to make that happen. Yeah. And the reasons behind it, and we talked about this already, is the patient profile. That a lot of these patients are older, more susceptible to infections. If they have an infection, they have a lot of concurrent illnesses, which is more susceptible to greater morbidity or even mortality, and they think about that. That's top of mind for them. And then of course, the patient profile.
Judah Frommer
analystConvenience of the at-home sub-Q. Super helpful. All right, maybe we'll park IgG4 there for now, and then I want to make sure we touch on the SLE data that's upcoming in fourth quarter. It is an all-comer design trial. There's a biomarker sub-population analysis. I guess just maybe from a high level, talk about kind of what you're hoping to see. You know, is there any way to bifurcate that expectation by the overall population versus the biomarker-enhanced population?
Leon Moulder
executiveAnd you had commented on the event we have coming up for IgG4-RD. We'll also be sending out invitations soon. Instead of doing a large analyst day, we decided to have two bites: first, IgG4-RD, commercialization, September 29th, and the invite will be for an R&D investor day in late October, and there we're going to spend a lot of time taking people through the SUNSTONE SLE trial, the design of it, the biomarker, the science behind the biomarker, how we're analyzing the biomarker, and we'll also touch on other pipeline programs. We'll talk a lot about the IL-7 or IL-17 inhibitor and putting context to the results we'll have later this year of the SAD and MAD study. But to your question here on the SUNSTONE trial, it's a trial that took all comers, and we were very diligent about the population we entered into this trial. Obviously, there's inclusion-exclusion criteria, but once investigators did their work, the patients were then put in front of an expert. And it's interesting how high the screen failure rate is because that expert discerned that a number of those patients that investigators initially determined were eligible truly weren't eligible. They tend to be a little more mild than they should with their disease, and that increases the placebo response in ruin studies, so we took care of that. And I would point to the Roche study with their anti-CD20 antibody that had a decent effect size, SRI-4 and BILAG, just over 20%. They had a screen failure rate of over [50%]. So think about our study more in that range. We worked really hard to get the right patients. But the primary is BILAG, but we'll display BILAG and SRI-4 results. And then the biomarker population, which was first identified in the original sponsor's Phase 2a, we've taken that approach and we've put it in the hands of more of a commercial entity to develop it further. We've worked with them. So we'll put out the overall population, the biomarker population side by side. And this Phase 2 study is really designed to help us design a Phase 3 registration program. So we're able to look at SRI-4, BILAG, overall population, biomarker-positive population, the effect size, and determine what we want to do next.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay. All right.
Judah Frommer
analystThat sounds good. And then just, you touched on it, but the competitive landscape in SLE, it's active, but clearly room for improvement there. What's your sense of where unmet need stands and kind of what demand is for a product like this in SLE?
Leon Moulder
executiveYeah, I think, obviously, you know, this is a heterogeneous disease. The driver to the disease is different in different patients. I'm really excited about the opportunity with this biomarker approach to identify a population that's highly responsive to Abexolumab. You know, we learned a lot in oncology over the years and how to select patients and pick patients that are really going to benefit the most from the drug. We can do the same in rheumatology, specifically in SLE, where we're giving the drug to a patient that's more highly likely to respond to it. That would be a great outcome.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay.
Judah Frommer
analystAnd just moving kind of down the pipeline slide, you mentioned ZB001, which, again, oral IL-17 inhibitor. You're in Phase 1 with SAD and MAD dosing ongoing in healthy [volunteers], I believe. That's right. And initial clinical data by year end. So I guess what would be exciting, you know, for this asset? In terms of what you could see in Phase 1, you know, PK, safety, tolerability, anything beyond those measures that we should be thinking about?
Leon Moulder
executiveYes, I think in this case, because IL-17 is a well-validated target, you can bring a once-a-day oral option that has efficacy in the range of what's known in IL-17 and different diseases, that could be a significant product for us and really meaningful therapy for patients. So in this data set, we have the SAD, but then moving to the MAD study, we're going to have a comprehensive set of ADME properties, importantly, at once-daily dosing, what kind of exposure do you get relative to your IC50 and your IC90? And if you have what you want and you have the right safety and tolerability, that should be a drug. So then the next step is where do you put it into a treatment paradigm for patients, and the decision we need to make next year will go into patients, right, whether we do the typical, you know, rapid psoriasis program so you can benchmark or instead go into a Phase 2 indication or a Phase 2 for ultimately an indication you would do a registration study on. So we'll land on which one of those we'll do, but next year we'll have some patient data besides. But I think this data set of exposure, safety, tolerability really sets us up to have a significant program.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay, so it sounds like there could be some maybe proof of concept done in psoriasis patients, but that wouldn't necessarily be the go-forward indication?
Leon Moulder
executiveThat would be one.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay.
Leon Moulder
executiveOr we could do a Phase 2 next year in the go-forward indication.
Judah Frommer
analystGot it.
Leon Moulder
executiveSo when we have the results, we'll talk more about that.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay. And maybe just help us with the oral nature of this molecule and what the differentiation is there within the IL-17 development landscape.
Leon Moulder
executiveSo this is a true small molecule, which is important. The molecular weight around 600. In primates, it had 80% bioavailability, good metabolic stability, all the characteristics that say this is a developable molecule. Obviously, it's gone well through SAD, well into MAD. So we have internal data. We're pleased with what we're seeing.
Judah Frommer
analystGreat. And you touched on Elobruzinib up at the front. You in-licensed this asset from InnoCare in October of last year, and like you said, you have two global Phase 3s running. Can you help us with your thinking kind of just behind the in-licensing of the asset, what made this BTK inhibitor potentially best in class in your view for Progressive MS?
Leon Moulder
executiveFor us, we are focused on a rheumatology franchise around IgG4-RD, lupus. For our IL-17 inhibitor, there are rheumatology indications we're thinking about. And then leveraging first the Abexolumab to generate multiple sclerosis data, but we have our extended half-life model that might have potential in MS. So we have our neuroimmunology franchise. It's behind the rheumatology franchise. We have a brain-penetrant TYK2 inhibitor, and bringing in the BTK inhibitor, progressive MS is a significant unmet need. PPMS, SPMS, specifically, NSPMS which is the definition the FDA likes. So with this molecule really targeting, we think, a mechanism that's important in progressive MS, and specifically being one that has the greatest brain penetration, the IC90 ratio. So let's look at it this way. If you take the different BTK inhibitors that have been investigated in progressive MS and you line them up and you look at their, first of all, how clean they are. On the kinase scan, there's a very clean molecule. Then you look at the brain penetration, because central compartment macrophages, microglia, B cells are critical to this disease and especially impacting disability progression. So you want brain penetration and you want a highly potent molecule once you get to the brain. And Elobruzinib stands out there. And there's practical things, the BTK inhibitors that are moving forward, it's once a day, the other two are twice a day. And when we conducted our diligence on it, the Phase 2 data was best in class in RRMS, which is where you go in Phase 2. But importantly, and first of all, this came from InnoCare, but this was a global study run by a U.S. CRO. So this wasn't a Chinese-focused program, it was global. U.S. CRO ran the study, and when we conducted our diligence, we actually had 96 weeks of follow-up data. So we had disability progression data, NFL data, all the way out to 96 weeks. That gave us the confidence that this is a very special molecule, progressive MS, there's great unmet need, and we like the way this matches up compared to every other molecule in the class.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay, great, we'll look out for that.
Judah Frommer
analystJust touching maybe on the earlier stage assets, and you mentioned ZB002, the brain-penetrant TYK2. You also have ZB004, half-life extended, CD19, Fc gamma receptor, MAB. So, I guess just maybe high-level development plans for those earlier stage assets and, you know, what resource allocation could look like?
Leon Moulder
executiveThe brain-penetrant TYK2, as I mentioned before, fits in the neuroimmunology franchise. Obviously, there are a variety of diseases that people have thought of to apply that against. We're a little bit behind a few others, and I think we'll learn from them. Our molecule will go into the clinic next year, and we'll have our SAD and MAD data next year, and then we'll determine where we go from there. For ZB004, which is an extended half-life molecule that leverages CD19 and Fc gamma R2B, just like Abexolumab, a similar molecule, it just has two mutations in the Fc portion to extend the half-life, with Abexolumab being weekly subcutaneous self-administration. The preclinical data indicates this could be monthly. So next year we'll do SAD and MAD to support that, support whether it is in fact monthly. And as you think about this, because it really, in all of our non-clinical work, including in animals, we've kind of validated the CD19 binding is the same, the Fc gamma R2B binding is the same, that we could move quickly after we have that data, let's say a SAD study, a MAD study in a patient population, and then go to registration. So across our rheumatology and our neuroimmunology franchise strategies, what indications could we consider? Of course, in the neuroimmunology area, a lot of people are focused on myasthenia gravis, so [UPLIZNA is] doing well there. That could be possible, RRMS. If we can get to a point with the primary endpoint with the FDA as something other than annualized relapse rate, that could be somewhere to take it. And then in the rheumatology area, we've thought about things like Sjögren's disease and others. So let us first get the SAD and MAD study, and then we'll determine the path forward.
Judah Frommer
analystThat's fair. All right, maybe in the last couple of minutes, going to walk through sort of a mini survey we're asking all the management teams at the conference, so you know curious about your insight specifically on this one with the rise in Chinese biotech innovation, how are you thinking about competitive positioning and will this influence internal R&D efforts, business development or both? Yes, my perspective comes from experiences where many years ago, at a company called Abraxis,
Leon Moulder
executiveWhen I was CEO, we built a China organization. We launched Abraxane in China. China's changed quite a bit since then. I've been a member of the SciClone board for a number of years and spend time back and forth to China. And as you mentioned earlier, we did a significant transaction bringing in three molecules from InnoCare. We have, uh, InnoCare. We have a, uh, we actually have a team in China that manages all of our Asian clinical trial sites. So we're quite familiar with what goes on there. Visit it every so often, and it's just fascinating how fast things are moving. Some of the government policies that are evolving that are going to position them even better for developing innovative medicines and getting them paid for in China. The question is, how are those medicines going to make it to other parts of to the world? I think Europe is going to be an excellent outlet for them. What happens in the U.S. is determined by a lot of geopolitical conversations and I can't predict what's going on there. I just know that there's good science, good medicine, good collaborators, and we'll see where it all goes.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay, great. AI, how is Zenas leveraging AI in different parts of the organization?
Leon Moulder
executiveWe're probably a little newer to it. We don't do drug discovery. We in-license. So we don't leverage AI in drug discovery. We don't have drug discovery. But think about data scientists and what they do. We use AI that way to learn everything about targets, everything about other molecules, everything about clinical science. How do you put it all together and make some good decisions? In the commercial arena, all of the data we get that we interrogate with AI to bring different meaning to it, and then obviously a human steps in to understand it, medical writing, but I would say our BLA for Abexolumab was done the old-fashioned way.
Judah Frommer
analystAnd then lastly, just on the regulatory side of things, whether it's, you know, changes at FDA, which seem to be constant, or, you know, pricing, whether that's MFN pricing, anything on the regulatory side that keeps you up at night?
Leon Moulder
executiveIt doesn't necessarily keep us up. I know the agency is working hard, active. We're interacting with them. They're busy. I would say MFN considerations as we think about Europe. We retain rights. We don't want to out-license to Europe because we need to control the pricing. Our last several companies we successfully launched in Europe. We would like to do that again. [We're] going to submit, but launch will be dependent upon where MFN lands.
Judah Frommer
analystOkay, great. With that, we're out of time, but thanks again, Leon. This was great.
Leon Moulder
executiveThanks, Judah. This live transcript is auto-generated without human intervention or review.
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