AGT Food and Ingredients Inc. ($AGTF)
Earnings Call Transcript · May 13, 2026
Highlights from the call
In Q1 2026, AGT Food and Ingredients Inc. reported a resilient performance despite geopolitical challenges, with adjusted net earnings and free cash flow both increasing year-over-year. Revenue was impacted by approximately $200 million due to shipping disruptions related to the Middle East conflict, yet management expects to recover about $8 million of adjusted EBITDA losses throughout the year. The company maintained its guidance for fiscal 2026, projecting adjusted free cash flow to exceed $100 million, supported by strong operational discipline and a diversified product mix.
Main topics
- Resilience Amid Geopolitical Challenges: AGT demonstrated strong operational resilience despite the Middle East war impacting shipments. Management stated, "normalized operations have resumed in Q2" and they expect to recover the $8 million EBITDA shortfall from Q1, indicating confidence in their supply chain adaptability.
- Strong Free Cash Flow Growth: Adjusted free cash flow grew by 113% year-over-year, reaching a conversion rate of 42%. Management emphasized, "we expect to have more than $100 million in free cash flow in 2026," showcasing robust cash generation capabilities.
- Dividend Declaration: The Board declared an initial quarterly dividend of $0.05 per share, reflecting confidence in the company's financial stability. This move signals a commitment to returning value to shareholders amidst a strong cash flow outlook.
- Impact of Commodity Prices: AGT experienced a $110 million revenue impact due to lower pulse and grain prices following a strong 2025 harvest. However, management noted that "commodity price changes generally have a small impact on the absolute dollars of adjusted EBITDA," indicating effective margin management.
- Expansion Plans and Capacity Utilization: AGT is on track with its expansion projects, including the India pasta plant, which is expected to contribute significantly to revenue by 2027. Management indicated, "we expect robust demand for the rest of the year," highlighting strong pipeline visibility.
Key metrics mentioned
- Adjusted Net Earnings: $X million (compared to $Y million in Q1 2025, showing year-over-year growth)
- Adjusted Free Cash Flow: $100 million+ (expected for fiscal 2026, up from $Y million in 2025)
- Revenue Impact from Commodity Prices: $110 million (due to lower pulse and grain prices following the 2025 harvest)
- EBITDA Shortfall Recovery: $8 million (expected to be made up throughout the year)
- Dividend per Share: $0.05 (initial quarterly dividend declared)
- Adjusted EBITDA Margin: 12% (for the Packaged Foods and Ingredients segment in 2026)
AGT's Q1 2026 results indicate a strong operational foundation despite external challenges, with a clear path to recovery and growth. The company’s focus on margin improvement, strategic expansions, and strong cash flow generation supports a positive investment thesis. Investors should monitor geopolitical developments and their impact on supply chains as potential risks, while also watching for progress in expansion projects and margin enhancements.
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
OperatorThank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the AGT Food and Ingredients Inc. First Quarter 2026 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] The conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Harley Ulmer, Global Corporate Treasurer. Please go ahead.
Harley Ulmer
ExecutivesThank you, Drew. Good morning, and thank you to everyone for joining the call. My name is Harley Ulmer, Global Corporate Treasurer of AGT Food and Ingredients Inc. With me today on the call are Murad Al-Katib, our President and CEO; and our Board Chair, Bill McFarland, who will provide some brief introductory comments. After a brief presentation, we will take questions with the call ending by 9:15 Eastern Time. We will be commenting on our Q1 2026 results and outlook with the assumption that you have read the Q1 earnings press release, MD&A and financial statements. A slide presentation, which supports today's comments is posted on our website, and we encourage participants to access the slides and follow along with our presentation. Before we begin, I would like to make some comments about forward-looking information. In yesterday's news release and on Slide 2 of the presentation that we have posted to our website, you will find cautionary notes in that regard. We do claim their protection for any forward-looking information that we might disclose on this conference call today. With that, I will now turn it over to Bill McFarland for his introductory comments.
Robert McFarland
ExecutivesThanks, Harley, and thank you to everyone for joining us today. I'm pleased to report that our first quarter reporting as a public company highlights the strength and resilience of AGT's business. The Middle East war created some short-term challenges that management met head on, and we delivered a good Q1 2026 result. Murad, Huseyin and the team are committed to executing our business plan and growth objectives. And the positive adjusted net earnings and adjusted free cash flow results in Q1 2026 compared to 2025 show the progress being made, management's nimbleness and the direction of travel going forward. We are in a very strong financial position. Our expected free cash flow will comfortably fund future capital expenditure commitments, dividends and will allow us to support the stock buyback under the NCIB, which was approved by the Board and is subject to TSX approval. The Board declared an initial quarterly dividend because we are confident in management's ability to deliver strong and growing EBITDA and free cash flow in fiscal 2026 compared to 2025. We appreciate that our share price is undervalued today, trading at approximately a 6x multiple of 2025 adjusted EBITDA. And we are also optimistic that over time, AGT's intrinsic value will be better appreciated and understood by the market, and our shareholders will be rewarded accordingly. I'll now turn the call over to Murad to review the quarter in more detail.
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesThank you very much, Bill. Good morning, everybody, and excited to be on this first true quarterly call with our new results. So I'm going to take you through and refer to our slides. If you want to follow along, I'm going to start with Slide #4 in our presentation. Q1 demonstrated the resilience of our platform in the face of war in the Middle East. Although this region is an important region for demand, the actual stoppage of shipments was isolated to only a few ports, the most important for our business being Jebel Ali in the United Arab Emirates. It's important to understand that like any shock of the economy or the market, a regional war was accompanied by shock and worry about its implications. But as time passes, markets are resilient and adjust, and we're seeing that. Shipping stopped, but new services have opened up like new port services in alternative ports that are not reliant on the Strait of Hormuz like Port al Fakkan and Fujairah in the United Arab Emirates. AGT's deep supply chain relationships are a huge competitive advantage. We found new ports for our shipments, utilizing Mersin, Turkey and ports like Mundra in India to ensure that our product is either reaching clients or ready to reach clients as soon as the conflict is resolved. I'm happy to report that normalized operations have resumed in Q2. We do expect that the shifting of earnings due to a slowdown in shipments and general market reaction to the trade crisis is largely understood now and shipments have resumed normalized patterns. The Q1 financial statements show all the noncash items related to our IPO. We expect normalized financial results for the rest of the year. All this noise is washed through our statements. They're nonrecurring and noncash. We expect the financial results for the whole year will rebound, and we expect to make up materially all of the shortfall from the quarter, about $8 million of adjusted EBITDA. There's less impact on the packaged foods, but some impacts that were the result of some shipment slowdowns due to freight uncertainties and worries about shipping costs. It's not uncommon to see supply chains disrupted temporarily when there's a major global political event like war. But I will tell you that shipping has resumed. We see the adjusted EBITDA risk if the war continues the rest of the year as minimal. We expect losses related to shipment delays or port closures will ultimately be offset by new routes that will ultimately deliver food to these regions. Multimodal services are beginning with truck to container to ship to truck. Becoming a new way of shipping to avoid the Strait of Hormuz and to get product to the consumers that rely on these staples for daily consumption. Importantly, underlying operating performance and cash generation was strong, reinforced by our global diversified business. We're managing through heightened global uncertainty by leaning on our diversification geographically by customer type and by end market. A key note here is that the impacts of the war, to the pasta and packaged foods business have been nominal. Value Added Processing was very diversified lines of business, showing resiliency in our chickpea, bean, rice, lentils and pea business. Heightened demand in the countries where lanes are open are being observed in quarter 2 and beyond. Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Yemen, regular demand in Europe, South America and markets like China and India are buying products. The Turkish platform has been a key asset for this time, and we expect robust demand for the rest of the year. I want to remind those on the call that Turkey has famously been for many years a food corridor for the region. And with its land border connectivity to Iran, Iraq, Syria and its close proximity to North African markets in the Mediterranean, the Turkish asset platform is a strategic asset base for today, for tomorrow and for our future. And the policies of the government of Turkey are encouraging Turkey to be part of the societal solution to food security in the region, and our dominant position in this market will serve us well today and beyond. Our Packaged Foods platform continues to expand its reach and customer relationships while leveraging new manufacturing capacity. Tomorrow, I will visit Minot to see the new Better for You pasta line and our new high-speed robotic packaging line running at full capacity. Plant-based protein and dietary fiber are gaining steam as affordable and tasty alternatives. Our thesis continues that pasta snacks, breakfast and convenience meals are showing robust sales fundamentals, and I'm pleased with our progress in building our leadership position in the market and global retailers and brands are responding with more orders and expanding commercial relationships. Our Distribution segment benefited from our disciplined margin-focused approach and growing adjusted EBITDA by $4.5 million in the current year, benefiting from our global reach and the supporting internal operations of origination and trade execution and freight and logistics. All of this supports the core IPO thesis, strong cash flow, deleveraged balance sheet and long-term value creation. So we are on track with our IPO story. I want to flip you over to the next slide, if you're following along, Slide 5. A key differentiator for AGT is margin consistency across commodity cycles, which is supported by our diversified footprint and integrated supply chain. For AGT, resiliency means we have minimal impact on pasta and packaged foods. Commodity price is a small percentage of the overall sales price and the demand profile of the business is heavily weighted in North America, Asia and Turkey, all regions not affected fundamentally by the conflict. In our Value Added Processing, there is an impact in the areas of the business where less value-add is being provided to the product. However, in those parts of the business as well as the Distribution segment, our model targets an absolute dollar margin per ton. We continue to focus on back-to-back sales that give margin certainty. We are not interested in being a commodity company, and this quarter shows that discipline with a material reduction in revenue with consistent earnings. For those who have followed our story for years as a public company before and have delved into us as a new public company, the reduction in revenue of $200-plus million with flat earnings shows the resiliency of our platform and shows the laser focus under which we're executing margin opportunities in food, not commodities. Food security and staple demand in pulses provide base cash flows, while higher value-added products will continue to enhance our margins over time, this resiliency will be enhanced as the Packaged Foods and Ingredients segment continues to grow in absolute dollar volume and absolute percentage as a percentage of our overall business. On growth, we remain disciplined, scaling the platforms where we have structural advantages rather than pursuing volume for volume's sake. This is the advantage of a global footprint. We're nimble and we're able to pivot. I was in India 2 weeks ago. I visited the plant, our new pasta manufacturing plant and saw the construction is going well. We have interested customers that will be serviced from this facility from Canada, the United States, Europe and Asia. And we're targeting retailer visits to our new India plant to begin in Q4 2026 to begin audit of the new plants. I can tell you, we have excitement from major global retailers on this project, and India will be a high-quality, highly competitive, logistical and price advantaged jurisdiction for the supply of global pasta to the growing demand of the global consumer. The pasta and Better For You platforms are good examples, capital-light modular expansions, $10 million or less with 3- to 4-year paybacks that can be built as demand arises. The platform is built on strong customer relationships, growth and attractive returns. And we will build it as they come. We will not build it and hope they will come, and they are coming. The platform is performing to our expectation, and we're seeing the sales pipeline materialize to our expectation. We're financially strong with little debt, significant free cash flow, allowing us to fund growth, pay our dividends and maintaining the flexibility while maintaining our low leverage. This is a fundamental pursuit of this company, its financial strength. I'm excited as the IPO story is also resonating with our customers. It's not only about our investors and shareholders. Customers see our strength. Through our contacts and discussions with global retail players and global food manufacturers, the message is clear. We're here for the long term. We have great knowledge and innovation. We have a track record for success in developing and commercializing new innovations in food, and we're prepared to invest to grow capacity with our supply chain partners. We have a strong committed partner in Fairfax and a management team who are invested in the business long term. This reality post-IPO is advancing our commercial relationships and is leading many progressive conversations. Our momentum is growing and our pivot to packaged foods, including pasta and Better For You value-added pulses is clear to the market as a whole. I'm going to flip you over to Slide #6. Our Q1 performance highlights. We're pleased with the quality of earnings and cash flow generation in the quarter. Adjusted net earnings and adjusted free cash flow both grew year-over-year, reflecting strong operating discipline and margin management across the business. Adjusted free cash flow grew by 113% compared to the prior year when the impact of the rail sale is removed from free cash flow. Adjusted free cash flow conversion was strong, increasing to 42% from 19% in the prior year, supported by margin stability and reductions in leverage. Cash flow is how we measure the management performance and the management progress towards our business plan. Looking to fiscal 2026, we see that even when we consider seasonality into account, adjusted free cash flow will be greater than $100 million and growing. This is a compelling investment thesis in a difficult time in many industries around the world. AGT and our sector is defensive in a time of global uncertainty. Importantly, we maintained our adjusted EBITDA contribution and margins despite the reduction in revenue. The impact of the conflict in the Middle East, low food security sales, combined with weather challenges in South Africa affected our quarter by about $8 million. The quarter was further impacted by a 1-week Ramadan shutdown that occurs in our factory in Turkey for fumigation and maintenance every year. This year, it was in Q1. Last year, the shutdown occurred in Q2 with an approximate adjusted EBITDA impact of $2 million. It's important for everyone to understand why revenue is not a key performance metric for AGT. Lower commodity prices were expected and the result of the strong 2025 North American harvest has led to this commodity price reduction. And big picture, in a big part of the Value Added Processing in the entire Distribution segment, sales contracts factor in the cost of product, plus, as I mentioned, the target dollar margin per ton of sale. The profit element does not change dramatically if the volumes are held constant, but revenues widely fluctuate over the cycle. And of course, the commodity prices are based on external global factors, including weather and crops. So margin percentages will rise with falling prices as revenues fall. But as we continue our evolution of product mix in Value Added and Distribution, we'll see revenues fluctuate. This is normal. But what we target is consistent margin and cash flow. I repeat what I said earlier, we won't do business for the sake of showing growth in turnover. It's pointless. All of our performance measures are based on free cash flow, low leverage. And frankly, we target that margin growth should outpace our revenue growth. This is normal in food companies. As a reminder, AGT does experience seasonality in its operations, more notably in Value Added Processing and Distribution and quarterly performance is not indicative of full year performance with the first half of the year accounting for less earnings and the second half with Q4 being the strongest quarter in all segments. I want to flip you over now to Slide #7. Slide #7 gives us our deep dive on our Packaged Food and Ingredients segment. Packaged Foods and Ingredients continues to be our fastest-growing segment with adjusted EBITDA margin at 12% in 2026. This continues our solid progression of margins in this key business unit towards our target of around 14% by 2029. Turkey performed well with operationally strong pasta sales and margins despite some short-term shipping slowdowns that were prompted by customers' concern about rising freight costs during the war. We also executed the planned 1-week shutdown, as I mentioned, and the shutdown being aligned with the key religious holiday is smart business for us as we lose production days due to the holiday already. This is seen by our management as the best time to get these key hygiene and maintenance items completed. These items are key to maintaining our growth in the highest quality markets in the world like Japan, Malaysia and China. Volumes in pasta were consistent with the previous year with these effects, and we've observed recovery in export and domestic volumes in Q2 with material increases from Q1 to Q2 shipping already in the first 5 weeks of the quarter. We believe that volumes and earnings will be consistent with the growth forecast that we have in our business plan. For our pasta business growth, we see expanding relationships in the United States, Canada, Europe, Japan and China. And we do expect to have the new pasta lines in Turkey running at 70% utilization by the end of Q4. Adjusting for the Ramadan shutdown and combined with the decrease in South Africa results, which again are temporary related to a weather event, revenues in the segment increased by 3% and adjusted EBITDA increased by 5%. We expect this pace to accelerate in the back half of the year. In Q1, compared to last year, we are in line with our expectations. And in Turkey, our pasta brands like Pastavilla and Arbella showed strong growth of approximately 30% for the quarter 2026 Q1 year-over-year, while the category in Turkey only grew 1%. This is a credit to our strong retailer relationships and exceptional quality of our products. We see our brands and the brands of our customers continuing to grow in all corners of the globe. And it's amazing to see the strength of our supply chain fueling the sales of our customers and our processing operations. The U.S. Better for You pasta segment also grew and the new line became operational in Q1 2026, with March being a strong month. In fact, March 2026 was the strongest month in our operations since 2023. And April is showing results that will be even stronger than the March results. Expanding volumes in both store brand sales and North America Better for You pasta brands in major retailers like Whole Foods and Costco and in foodservice is growing our utilization. Our Veggipasta continued its strong sales in U.S. retail, advancing into the top 10 in the category in Whole Foods U.S.A. according to Nielsen data. Across our other retail and private label platforms, performance was solid with our Canadian retail brands, including CLIC and Tamam at Loblaws, performing well and growth seen in other Canadian retail channels such as Loblaws, Costco and Walmart. South African planting volumes and sales were affected by flooding and excessive rains. However, we expect 2026 results on a full year basis to recover as they have strong order books and strong sales pipelines forward and the weather issues have resolved for now. Finally, our capital projects are meeting budgeted dollars and time lines. As we mentioned, I visited India 2 weeks ago. Construction of the India pasta facility is progressing on schedule and on budget. So we hear concerns about the Middle East war and freight. I want to assure everyone, our contracts are fixed prices, our equipment is shipped and on route and our budgets are on track, and the project is going better than our expectations in terms of timing. The construction of the facility is expected to end before the end of 2026. In the U.S., we completed the Better for You pasta line, as I mentioned, and projects related to expanding our capacity to deliver pulse-based premixes and Better for You manufacturing blends like pasta, flower blends and snack flower blends are also on track for completion this year. We remain confident we're going to see positive results for these investments towards the end of this year and into 2027. And as I mentioned, sales and margins in March 2026 were at the highest level in years, and the positive trajectory continues into Q2. We're progressing rapidly in the business, but again, we will continue our laser focus. Going to Slide #8 on the Value Added Processing. Lower pulse and grain prices followed the strong 2025 harvest by an estimated $110 million impact on our revenue. So commodity price deceleration caused that contraction. But as I stated earlier, commodity price changes generally have a small impact on the absolute dollars of adjusted EBITDA and normally result in increased EBITDA margins, which we saw this quarter. Lower commodity prices also result in lower receivables, lower inventory and less trade financing, which is absolutely less cash out the door. So we see this as a very positive impact for the food business. We also proactively manage our product mix in the segment. And in Canada and Australia, we saw strong margins on faba beans, broad beans, lentils and chickpeas and our resilience on lower-margin products like yellow peas continues to decrease -- I'm sorry, our reliance on those commodities continues to decrease. The Middle East conflict delayed food security shipments in Q1, but medium-term demand remains intact and orders are in the pipeline with the expectation of full year food security revenues to be consistent with the prior year. The frequency of World Food Programme tenders is increasing, contracts that were awarded at the end of 2025, which were among some of our largest contracts in the history of our company are under execution at the end of Q1 and into Q2. Our integrated global footprint continues to be our competitive advantage, allowing us to redirect volumes and protect our profitability. We expect volumes sold in this segment to be strong over the rest of the year as Middle East shipments are rerouted and farmers in our origination jurisdictions like Canada and Australia begin to sell their withheld inventory in advance of a new crop harvest. We are upon seeding again in North America and remaining stocks will have to be liquidated prior to the new harvest. We've signed large orders covering the rest of the year and agencies and governments are watching inventory and price inflation and staples closely. We expect major food security programs not only in the Middle East but around the world. Any time we see increases in freight and disruptions in supply chains, governments wake up and recognize that full tummies and affordable food are keys to societal living in all the jurisdictions around the world. The estimated impact of the Middle East conflict on adjusted EBITDA in the quarter in this segment was around $5 million, and we expect that a large part of this will be recaptured throughout the rest of the year. We remain in close contact with government tenders, food security and aid agencies. And I want our investors to know, we are not the last call when it comes to large contracts in food security in our commodities. We are the first call of governments and agencies around the world due to our scale, our competitiveness, our quality and our ability to execute in a time of crisis. I'm going to turn it over now to Harley and take a couple of sips of coffee while Harley gives you a little bit on the financial side.
Harley Ulmer
ExecutivesThank you, Murad. I'll briefly discuss our financial position, building on what Murad has already discussed. Post IPO, AGT now has an equity base of close to $1.2 billion and a very strong balance sheet, giving us the ability to deliver on our modular capital and growth strategy and move forward with confidence. Those of you that joined us at the year-end call, you'll see the stark transformation. We now have nominal debt, strong free cash flow, as Murad noted, and we intend to fund the business needs out of free cash flow in the future. This approach is not only good for the business, but will be great for our shareholders going forward. AGT is now operating with low leverage with adjusted net debt to EBITDA of just 0.54x. This provides substantial financial flexibility to allow us to grow and adapt to changing global dynamics. The reported loss under GAAP in the quarter was impacted by onetime nonrecurring and noncash IPO-related items totaling $85 million. These were primarily related to share-based compensation and accretion interest on the settlement of the sponsor notes. These charges were adjusted out in arriving at adjusted net earnings, which is reconciled to the financial statements in the MD&A. As Bill referenced previously, we are excited to announce the first quarterly dividend to be paid on July 15, 2026, to the shareholders of record at the end of June 30, 2026, of $0.05 per share. AGT expects quarterly dividends to continue in the future quarters, and they will be reviewed by the Board periodically. Our goal is to provide shareholders with a combination of dividends and share price appreciation equating to a strong shareholder return. Additionally, as noted earlier as well, AGT's Board approved the filing of a normal course issuer bid for its common shares subject to TSX approval, which will provide AGT the ability to purchase shares for cancellation. Our goal is to selectively support the stock as appropriate rather than spend significant capital on the share buyback program. As Murad noted earlier, we expect to have more than $100 million in free cash flow in 2026, which gives us adequate cash to support capital expenditures and dividends and gives us adequate funds to strategically support the share price without relevering. Finally, I would point out to you that you will see hyperinflation reconciliations on Pages 15 and 16, 17 of the MD&A. We have not included these impacts in our presentation today as the impact is nominal and wanted to note again that the mechanical application of hyperinflation impacts the net earnings of AGT. I would like to emphasize that the impacts are noncash and removed from the adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow calculations. We manage the business on a pre-hyperinflation basis. Murad will now join us for some closing comments and the final slides.
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesPerfect. So again, to go to Slide 10 is our wrap-up. Look, we're just going to continue to focus on reliability and growth of our adjusted net earnings, EBITDA and free cash flow. More specifically, again, everyone knows our plan, grow the pasta business through utilizing the expanded Turkish pasta capacity where we're seeing strong domestic and export demand and attractive margins. We're going to continue to scale our U.S. Better for You platform, particularly the pulse-based pasta by getting high utilization for the recently completed line, driving sales in the breakfast and snack categories for the additional Canadian extrusion capacity and continuing to expand retailer and branded food company relationships. We're going to complete the India pasta facility, the Minot expansions, and we're planning the staging of further expansions to meet the projected pipeline demand in this segment. We won't overbuild, but we can't disrupt the momentum that we see in sales growth. In the Value Added, we're going to focus firmly on adjusted EBITDA growth with a diversified high-value product mix improve our plant efficiencies and provide support to our food security customers and governments around the world. I remind you, our target to expand margin in this segment with its large size, a 1 percentage improvement in overall margin leads to a $20 million free cash flow improvement. As we grow, we want to look to continue to build the skill of our team, enhance the team with new recruits and strengthen our system to enhance our growth trajectory. All these priorities are aligned around a single objective, building a strong, resilient business that generates strong cash flow, compound shareholder value over the long term. I want to assure you Fairfax and management are very large shareholders, as you know. We are aligned. We are shoulder to shoulder. We remain optimistic, excited and we will execute. With that, I'm happy to take your questions.
Operator
Operator[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Kyle McPhee with ATB Cormark.
Kyle McPhee
AnalystsI just wanted to talk about the India pasta plant project. It sounds like timing and the budget is all on track. Can you help us quantify the type of revenue ramp-up you would expect from a facility like this? What is the revenue capacity at the facility you're building? And how long do you see the utilization ramp-up period going based on the offtake and demand visibility you may already have? Any color around that, please?
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesYes. So we're on target, Kyle, to be commissioning late in the year. So again, you're going to start to see material contributions of cash flow and earnings starting in 2027. So we're building 3 manufacturing lines and we have roughly about 14 tons per hour of capacity. So when we look at that on an annual basis, we'll end up roughly about, call it, somewhere around 85,000 metric tons. So you'll be somewhere in the range of about, call it, USD 75 million in revenue through the ramp-up of that. We're likely targeting to get to -- again, our target pasta lines are not something that you start to run and you shut down and you restart. When you start to run a pasta line, you should be running that line 24 hours a day, 7 days a week only for shutdown on maintenance and material holidays and nothing else. So we will target to get to 70% utilization by the end of the 2027 period and be at full utilization by the end of 2028. In the manufacturing footprint, Kyle, we have 6 manufacturing lines of semolina capacity. That's the durum wheat milling capacity, but only 3 manufacturing lines. So that allows us -- if the plan goes according to our plan, we will then be in 2028 building new lines for 2029 and 2030. So that will take us a 4-year cycle to kind of ramp up. So again, material contributions. When you're looking at that, we look at the India pasta with the Turkish pasta running around that 12% EBITDA margin, we expect that we could improve that in India. And that will help us to get towards that better for you, plus the India pasta will help us to get to that 14% plus target by 2029 in the Packaged Food and Ingredients segment. So when we look at that particular side, again, $4 million, $5 million of contribution per year over '27 and '28 will give that plant a good, call it, $10 million contribution. It's going to be a material part of that growth trajectory in '27 and '28.
Harley Ulmer
ExecutivesAnd I think, Murad, just so everyone is clear, the $75 million you referenced is the full capacity of the plant. We don't expect that in year 1 as you noted.
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesThat's right. That's right. The $75 million.
Harley Ulmer
ExecutivesIt'll ramp up, so.
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesExactly.
Operator
OperatorThe next question comes from Luke Hannan with Canaccord Genuity.
Luke Hannan
AnalystsMurad, I just wanted to follow up on the Value Added business. It sounds like things are very durable and stable as things stand today there. When it comes to, I guess, specifically on fuel and then any additional freight charges that may be incurred as a result of ships staying in ports for a longer period of time than expected. Is that -- I just wanted to confirm, those costs are eventually borne by the customers?
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesYes, absolutely. Now just to be very clear, we don't have any ships sitting in ports delayed or anything like that. Our containerized shipments have all been dealt with in terms of rerouting to, say, ports or rerouted to customers. And when I look at the materiality of that, it was literally, Luke, maybe $1 million, a couple of million bucks worth of additional freight charges, largely which are borne by the customer, sometimes with very large -- good customer relationships, we could share some of that a little bit. But when I look at those ancillary costs in the current pipeline that was affected by the crisis, and I look at the gains we have in other markets like Turkey, where we had large amounts of inventory and the premiums we're receiving for prompt shipments to fill those gaps, we're likely to be ahead, not behind. On new contracts, we're being very clear. The one thing I want to make sure I reiterate is demand elasticity of these products, these are staple foods. So Luke, when you look at a staple food profile, your risk on not being able to pass on the ancillary freight charges or increases are that it's affecting your sector and not other substitutes. Freight is affecting every single food product in the world. So our products are still affordable, cheap staples that people consume every day. We say it's not chewing gum, right, that you have to decide, do you want to buy chewing gum or not? Do I want to buy a sweater or not? Do I want to buy running shoes or not? Do I want to buy my lentils and chickpeas to eat my basic food, I'm going to buy them. So we're seeing again an ability to manage that. Now again, we are realists that oil prices and freight are both commodities. So oil and freight are commodities. When the conflict resolves, we expect freight will rebound down to more normalized levels in a quick way. In the Value Added segment, our contracts are very much spot. So spot contracts are priced on today's freight. And so from that perspective, we don't see large needs. You mentioned also -- look, I hope as analysts who have covered us or are familiar with our company, I mentioned in my comments, $200 million reduction in revenue with consistent earnings. Everybody should realize one thing, this is not the AGT of the past that was heavily reliant only on red landfills on one commodity. We have a diversified book of global sales to packagers, canners and retailers who need product to feed their consumer demand. That's a totally different ball game than what we used to do, and our earnings showed that resiliency.
Operator
OperatorThe next question comes from John Zamparo with Scotiabank.
John Zamparo
AnalystsI think you said you expect to fully make up the shortfall of $8 million in EBITDA loss from Q1 into the rest of the year. I just want to clarify, is that also the case if we get a continuation of the current conditions in the Middle East?
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesYes. You know what, John? I mean, listen, I have to be very honest. There's a resumption. I mean multimodal shipping is happening. I mean Jebel Ali port is closed. And now we're able to ship to King Abdullah Port and then it goes by truck to another port, which goes across to the UAE or goes by truck. So product into that region is now starting to flow. The government of Abu Dhabi is actually sending vessels to India to take product into the region now, vessels that are owned by the government. So these are not -- again, as I mentioned, these are not luxury items. They're necessary items that are going to flow. We're seeing, again, the other side of the world, let's say, our pasta sales, everything is going normally now, right? I mean people adjust to the freight. The freight is a reality. The biggest cost, John, for a retailer is not the freight cost. It's a very small percentage of the price on the shelf. The biggest cost to a retailer is the empty shelf. That's the biggest cost. So we're seeing, again, the makeup is going to happen. I mean a large part of that was just delays that are shipping in Q2 and Q3. So we're not kind of saying, "Oh, we hope it's going to get made up. We have visibility that's going to get made up." Even with the prolonged conflict, what we're seeing is the rest of the world is taking product. And ultimately, we're very, very busy and the pipeline is full. And ultimately, our sales pipeline, I mean these are large government contracts and food security contracts, which weren't shipping in the beginning of a war that are now shipping. So we have product going from the United Nations into Ashdod to the Gaza refugees. It's moving. Ashdod port is open, right? Saudi ports are open. Yemen ports are open. The ground border with Turkey and Iraq is wide open. Even in the conflict, the Turkey Iran border is open. So from that perspective, you know what, it's a crazy time, but food's going to continue. Always, it will find its way to the market, John.
John Zamparo
AnalystsOkay. And then a quick one on the NCIB. When is the earliest you think you can have this in place from a regulatory perspective?
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesYou know what? Again, the TSX has to approve. So it will likely take 2 to 3 weeks for it to be in place. But again, we'll let our lawyers deal with that. And as Harley mentioned, the great side of this company is that we've got very low leverage, and we've got very strong free cash flow growth. And so again, obviously, our preference will be for investors to recognize where the stock is at and how undervalued it is and for investors to take care of what needs to be taken care of. But the NCIB makes sense. I mean, we're long-term shareholders, myself included, and I was saying as large shareholders, at this point, we'll get it in place, and we'll use it strategically.
Operator
OperatorThe next question comes from Steve Hansen with Raymond James.
Steven Hansen
AnalystsMurad, I think you touched on this, but I just wanted to focus a little more. Your market position in Turkey, in particular, do you think it's allowing you to grow share or perform better than average and relative to other partners or other players out there in times of crisis like this? I'm just trying to get a sense for whether some share gains can be had here in this type of environment.
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesThat's a great question, Steve. And there's 2 elements to that. One is the processing capacity and scale and our quality. But two, our access to financing and capital compared to our smaller regional competitors, it is a massive competitive advantage. And then the diversification with the packaged foods contributing such a strong free cash flow all the time, you ultimately are definitely were making gains. And when we look at food security and what's going to happen in the next 18 to 24 months, these are large contracts, right? So there's only a handful of companies in the world who would have a chance to execute these types of contracts. And so yes, our position is growing and Turkey's importance is growing. And the Turkish government's policies are recognizing that the world's supply chains are going to shift. It will take a long time for the UAE to get back to where it was. So we see Turkey as a very strategic point. We see our supply chain from Australia and Canada into India and India feeding into the region as being an important part. And we also want to -- I kind of see right now, Steve, all the efforts of the last 5 years to diversify Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines, South America, our domestic U.S. and our European book is booming. And so again, I want to tell you, we've got now oil inflation, right, and inflation is rising. Our products are affordable. We're seeing retail pull on pasta, pulses at retail as moving forward. Now interestingly, in the U.S. market, Steve, one of the knocks on the Better for You category was how expensive it was. It's interesting now, people are talking about snacks and pasta on the Better For You as affordable protein alternatives to meat. So we're starting to see affordability coming into one of our marketing strength. That's can like really take off demand. We're really excited about that.
Harley Ulmer
ExecutivesAnd I think Murad, one of the other points you raised this yesterday in our meetings was that, regional governments are again -- were woken up again to the supply chain exposure that was out there and they're looking to really focus on enhancing their local stocks and strategic stocks of food. So we see that as a good support for the food security programs that we have where governments are now being actively looking to build up those stocks strategically in their regions so that they cannot be susceptible to some of these supply chain disruptions as that have been right in their face right now.
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesYes. That's going to be, Steve, what I would call the significant upside to our forecast over the next few years is, we're going to see governments build buffer stocks in our staple foods, and we're going to be well equipped to that.
Steven Hansen
AnalystsThat's great color. One follow up just on your comments around Minot or the Better for You category ramping in March and I think in April, you suggested. Is that just incremental capacity Murad or is that a function of the products themselves gaining sort of incremental traction of the customers or probably combination of both. I'm just trying to get the sense on how much...
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesYes, I think -- it's a combination of both, Steve. We're seeing the milling capacity and the fractionation and flower milling side ramping up in utilization, which is great because it's getting there, underutilized. And then the new extrusion capacity, it's ramping up quick. And we also said to you, we have room to add new lines, our lease times are, call it 6 to 9 months. So maybe it's not accident that I'm visiting tomorrow because things are going really well. So I want to go see it myself, Huseyin and Gulcin who heads up our Global Pasta Business. We're all going together to Minot to go see what's going on. Because the sales pull is material and we're excited about the momentum that we're seeing with the retailer. And part of that is in the IPO roadshow I said, the Nielsen data on how our pasta selling in U.S. retail, I used to call that, Steve, the golden ticket. Right. That is evidence to retailers of how our products sells at retail. Affordability, taste and texture. Don't forget, that's what sells food: affordability, tase and texture. We nailed it and we're seeing sales pipeline growing as a result. So you're going to see it. It is product mix a bit. It's utilization of the existing capacity. But it's also in general, customer's volumes are growing and again, part of that is people want protein, people want dietary fiber and meat's really expensive and we're seeing alternative proteins growing.
Operator
OperatorThe next question comes from Ryan Neal with TD Cowen.
Ryan Neal
AnalystsThis is Ryan standing in for Derek, who's just on another call. Just a couple from me on the macro environment. How do you guys view the timing and pace of volume normalization in food security if the Middle Eastern conflict is resolved in the shorter term?
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesWell, first of all, Ryan, I don't think that the food security sales are dependent on the resolution of the Middle East conflict. So again that -- when I look at it, other governments in the region, North Africa, Middle East, even just around the world in general are looking at strategic buffer stocks. We have visibility on large contract that we've already been awarded in market like Algeria and Iraq and the United Nations programs which are growing. And so from that prospective, we see that ramp-up in normalization as inevitably happening quickly over the next couple of quarters. And again, we're not hopeful. These are contracts that we have in our award already. We're now into execution. It sounds like I didn't do anything but travel because I was also in Turkey last week. So I was in India, I was in Turkey and now I'm going to the U.S. In Turkey last week, I can tell you that the food security side of our business was extremely robust. I saw a single day where I believe we set a record for shipping out of our gate in terms of any volume I've ever seen in the history of our company. And the pasta side, all that pull that got kind of delayed in March because people were worried about the war in the rest of the world is all shipping. So good robust shipping going on in all our segments.
Ryan Neal
AnalystsJust a follow on for me. Are there any contingency plans in place if the conflict persists longer than expected? And would that affect your guidance at all?
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesTo be very honest, Ryan, the conflict continuing longer, we're already set. I mean all we had to do is deal with the cargo that was floating. The world is now a place where there's a conflict. So my contingency plan is South America, Europe, Asia, India, the Med region, North Africa and the land border that Turkey has and the alternative ports that are all open today are all buying cargo. So we're expecting that, again, the region is getting worried because they're short of food. And so we're expecting that no matter with a prolonged conflict, demand is going to continue to be robust. Our supply chain set, we have supply chain depth with relationships all over the world. And if a company was built for a conflict like this, it's AGT. And we spent 25 years to build that global integrated supply chain, and we're ready to rock and roll.
Operator
OperatorThe next question comes from Zachary Evershed with National Bank Financial.
Zachary Evershed
AnalystsCongrats on the quarter. I was hoping you could give us a bit more color on the ramp-up so far of the lines at Minot and the new capacity in Turkey, maybe in terms of retailer wins or new customers helping fill the new capacity.
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesYes. So let's start with Minot. Again, Zach, in all of these ramp-ups, so in particular, in the Better for You, again, on our roadshow, we did kind of talk about some of the big wins we've had around U.S. retail already in terms of the store brands, in terms of other brands that are in markets like Whole Foods, which is our own brand, Costco U.S.A., which is one of our customers' brands. We're seeing a lot of private label launches going on. And again, we've had a successful debut in Sprouts U.S.A. on their private label recently. So again, Sprouts is another chain that when we look at these, we're taking a surgeon scalpel precision approach to penetration of the retail in the U.S. Some of these chains are what we would call leader chains. They're not the biggest, like they're not the Albertsons and the Krogers, but they're the leaders in terms of the natural Better for You categories. We want Nielsen data on how this stuff sells. And we're getting that. That's our golden tickets as I keep calling it. On the Better for You blends and flower mixes, we're expanding capacity because products like the Better for You, Catelli PROTEIN+ as an example, these products are growing dramatically, Barilla Protein+ in the U.S. We're seeing very strong trajectory and dietary fiber and protein is not a fad. And again, Ozempic came off generic in Canada. We're going to continue to see the GLP-1 trends, and we're going to continue to see a recasting of those supply chains. On the Turkish pasta side, I want to be very clear. We are not reliant on new acquisitions of clients in order to fill that new utilization of the capacity built in 2025. Our existing client base and the retailers that we have today in terms of expanding SKUs and expanding product mixes is enough to fully utilize that capacity. Where we're focused now is new retailer acquisition for the India plant, and that's going well. I did give you a foreshadowing. I'm not going to tell you which ones, but I can tell you, major global retailers are scheduled to visit our plant in Q4 in India. And that's, again, it's not just talk. It's, okay, we like it. We like your price. We like your quality. Let's go visit it. We want to see it. So that's, again, a big part of the progression. I have a very strong optimism. I mean we're not new kids on the block here. We're not entering a business. We are one of the most globally successful store brand pasta manufacturers in the entire world. So you have to think it's -- now it's a matching process. Which retailer needs it, which retailer do I want? Which retailer fits? And how do the economics align? That's where we're focused now, Zach.
Zachary Evershed
AnalystsGreat color. And then for my follow-up, I was wondering how you're thinking about second order impacts, the straight closure like impacts on fertilizer costs and how that might affect crops going forward?
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesWell, you have to realize that on the pulse side, right, we are low nitrogen fertilizer, low, no nitrogen fertilizer. Now the Canadian and North American plantings will not be affected materially because farmers are very large in North America. They prebooked their nitrogen fertilizer prior, Zach. So we don't expect a change in seeding patterns in North America. Around the world, though, you may see more pulses actually because, again, if nitrogen fertilizer costs continue to rise, you may see low input crops becoming more prevalent. But in a general sense, I got to be very honest, farmers who are rotating are doing it for a large agronomic benefit. We don't see massive wholesale change even with fertilizer price changes. So I'm not expecting it to be something that is going to materially change supply chains around the world in our core products.
Operator
OperatorThis concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Murad Al-Katib for closing remarks.
Murad Al-Katib
ExecutivesOkay. Well, that's great. I think that, again, thanks, everybody, for joining us, and thanks very much for taking the time. We're excited about the future and onwards and upwards, that's where we're just going to continue that laser focus on execution. So thanks very much for joining.
Operator
OperatorThis brings to a close the conference call for today. You can now disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.
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