Akamai Technologies, Inc. (AKAM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 24, 2023

NASDAQ US Information Technology IT Services conference_presentation 34 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Mark Murphy

analyst
#1

Okay. Good morning, everyone. I am Mark Murphy, software analyst with JPMorgan. And it is a great pleasure to be here with Ed McGowan, who is the CFO of Akamai. So first off, Ed, can't thank you enough. It's very generous of you to take the time out of your schedule and be here with us.

Ed McGowan

executive
#2

We're happy to be here. Thanks for inviting us.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#3

Maybe we could begin, Akamai is a big company, and I'm sure most people have heard of it, but maybe you could kind of give us the 30-second overview, just for the benefit of anyone out there who is more of a generalist.

Ed McGowan

executive
#4

Yes, sure. So Akamai Technologies, we've been around since 1999, went public back in October '99. About $3.8 billion in revenue, roughly, a very profitable company. We're in 3 lines of business. We started off in what's called the CDN business. So you probably interact with us many times a day, and you don't even know you're doing it. We carry about 1/3 of the world's internet traffic. We make the internet work basically. We also now our largest source of revenue is in security, primarily related to application security. So as we're delivering those websites and web applications, we're protecting them from all the bad things that can happen. We also have a smaller, but faster-growing business with enterprise security, some more traditional IT security. And most recently, our newest area is in the compute business. So think of that as now you can build your application, you can secure it, and you can run it and deliver it on Akamai.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#5

So that's a great overview. And that evolution is kind of exactly where I wanted to start. So we think back to kind of the very late '90s, Akamai got to start in delivery, you built a very large security business, and I think you just mentioned that, it became your biggest business...

Ed McGowan

executive
#6

Last quarter.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#7

Last quarter by revenue. And now you're leaning very heavily, very aggressively into compute as well. Can you help us connect the dots on. So this is the evolution that's where you're heading. And then what are the synergies that we should be seeing between delivery and security and compute.

Ed McGowan

executive
#8

Yes, sure. So originally, we started off solving a problem where the internet itself is not built for performance. The general routing protocols don't take performance into consideration. So we built this massive overlay network on top of the internet. We're distributed into over 4,000 locations. We basically put our servers close to where the users are. So where you connect to your local ISP, we have a server that's either in that ISP or very close to it. So that when you request content and it's one of our customers, you get served as close to the end user as possible. And the reason for that is if you think about there's massive amounts of capacity at your home, a lot of people have fiber to their home. And the choke point is the core of the internet. And so by building this distributed platform, we were able to get around that issue and be able to deliver superior performance. And it also gives you an enormous amount of scale. You can defend cyber attacks from where they're emanating from and shut them down and not actually bring the data to the data center, and that's the worse thing you could do. But basically, what -- that first evolution of the business, we became the largest CDN in the world. And if you think about the CDN business, there's a lot of synergies with security. First of all, we see every Internet user many times a day, as I mentioned. We're also the largest provider of recursive DNS, which DNS is essentially the on-ramp to the internet. So we have an enormous amount of data, and we moved from the CDN business into security was a natural evolution. You leverage the data, you leverage the platform. As I talked about, we handle a lot of denial of service attacks, where you have massive amounts of infected devices that will go and attack a site, try to take it down. But we can block that site -- that attack, right where the attack is coming from. And the same server that might be delivering a video to Mark's home is blocking an attack from his neighbors house. So we were able to leverage that same platform and build the technology that delivers the security as well as the content. So for example, one of our largest security offerings is our web application firewall. So it's protecting websites and web applications from all these various things that can happen, someone taking over your site. So I'm going to trying to steal information from it. We deliver those web application firewall rules. At the same time, we're delivering content. So we don't slow down the performance as we're providing that security. And then when it comes to compute, we've always been in what's called the edge compute business. And what do I mean by that? That essentially is using Java and technologies like that to do things on the Internet at the edge of the Internet that are sort of more functions of a service. So for example, personalization or image optimization or maybe you want to run an A/B test, you're doing advertising. You want to send show one group of people on ad, different group on another ad, dynamically at the edge, understand which one performed better. So sort of lighter weight compute, if you will. Maybe it's a waiting room, you're selling tickets, so you've got a -- so a big event and people are all coming and you don't want to overload the log-in server at the data center, so you just put a nice screen up within a waiting room and that sort of stuff. So we kind of lighter weight stuff. Now we're getting into actually building the application. So VMs as a service, containers as a service, block storage, et cetera. So competing with the big hyperscalers. That's the next evolution of us.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#9

Okay. That's a fantastic overview. If I ask you this way, what do you perceive as the kind of secret sauce for Akamai, kind of across all those layers and segmentations, is it -- is there a differentiation in the architecture of the network? Is there differentiated IP or patents? Is it the sheer number of points of presence because we're definitely aware that Akamai kind of eclipses everything else, right, in terms of the points of presence. So what is it that you think would -- what is insulating Akamai or kind of making it difficult to replicate?

Ed McGowan

executive
#10

Yes. Good question. So I would say from a technical standpoint, absolutely the architecture. So if you think about all the things we talked about, whether you're trying to deliver a big web event or you're delivering an e-commerce experience. Performance does matter. And the closer you are to the user, the better performance, and that has played out over the last 20 years. And from a CDN perspective, we are by far the largest, but it's also leveraging the technologies that we have and the data that we have, and to be able to build off that platform and continue to drive services that have higher margin on top. So I think that plus the data science, just the amount of information that we have is greater than pretty much anybody out there in the market. But I also think from a business perspective, we have some pretty big moats. And what I mean by that is the CDN business is about scale. So we were the first ones to get to massive scale. We're the only profitable CDN out there today. We've been able to build higher-margin products on top. So we've got a very profitable business model. We've got great customer relationships. We've got great people. So I think it's a combination of all that, that we were sort of the first ones to figure out that. There's some challenges with the -- in the CDN market in terms of pricing and things like that. You have to innovate and continue to stay ahead and find ways to use that scale and synergy, if you will, to continue to build your business and get into higher margin, higher value products.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#11

Okay. So there's the architecture, there's the data science. There's the fact that you've got the profitability kind of embedded into the business model.

Ed McGowan

executive
#12

That's right.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#13

Okay. If we double-click for a moment on the delivery business, that -- and we look at the contraction there, that has actually moderated a bit. If I look at it for the last 2 quarters. So it was 11%, I tried to put it in constant currency. It was 11% contraction and then it moved to about 8% to 9% contraction. What was interesting was that you pointed to an uptick in traffic late in Q1 and also with more favorable pricing.

Ed McGowan

executive
#14

That's right.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#15

So it felt like there were 2 good things happening there. Can you help us understand the dynamics that would be kind of driving an improvement in pricing and volume? And is it -- I mean, should we be -- are we calling a bottom? Is it too early to call a bottom? Is it a local trough, something like that?

Ed McGowan

executive
#16

Yes, good question. Always tough to call a bottom in the CDN business. But -- so there's always -- for the 20-plus years I've been at the company, traffic has gone up into the right. It's always grown. The Internet has grown generally 30% a year or more. And prices have come down. So there's a very tight correlation between unit economics, volume and price, and that has stayed consistent. We had a bit of a super cycle when it came to the delivery business during the pandemic. You had 3 things happen. You had a pandemic. So people are at home, spending a lot more time online. You had 4 major OTT services that came out, and you also had a console cycle, along with sort of a new gaming phenomenon, on this multiplayer gaming like Fortnite.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#17

So it was overheated.

Ed McGowan

executive
#18

Overheated. So we saw massive growth in traffic in '20. And I would have -- if I was on the stage at the end of '20, I would say I would expect to see '21 traffic decline a bit or may at least not grow at the same rate, I should say. We actually saw a very strong '21 in terms of traffic. It wasn't until March of last year that we started to see traffic really drop off the growth rate. It's still growing, but at, call it, half of what it normally does. We've gotten to the point where we've overlapped that, and we're starting to see our anniversary that. We're starting to see traffic grow again. It's growing a bit faster than it was last year, not quite what it normally does, but it is an encouraging sign. And on the pricing side, and I talked about this several years ago at an event that as volumes start to moderate, pricing declines will moderate. So prices still come down because volumes are still going up, but it's moderating. So it's not nearly as bad as the renewals I was doing in '20. The challenge with the CDN business is you've got big customers that -- and the good news for Akamai is we're very -- we don't have a lot of customer concentration risk. We only have about 8 customers or 10 customers that are 1% of revenue or greater. No customers that are 10%. So when those customers all renew, you can have some disruption. So it's -- you'll always have some variability in the CDN business, especially when you have concentrated renewals with large customers. That's why it's hard to call a bottom. But the dynamics in the business are better than they were last year, certainly.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#19

Okay. It's good to hear. What about gaming? I think you -- it was the first thing you mentioned actually when you were talking about the pandemic, and I know that over-the-top is another one I want to come back to, but is there something happening in gaming right now that gives you comfort?

Ed McGowan

executive
#20

Not yet. Gaming is sort of almost like a fashion, right? It's -- if you have a popular title, like when Fortnite came out, that was a massive boom for the gaming industry. And then you had a lot of me-toos that came up with similar type games. It really is about the development cycle and the popularity of games, and that's not something that we can control. So when you start to see, like there wasn't any major releases last year it was kind of a soft year, that tends to be pretty cyclical, not calendar cyclical, but cyclical in terms of there's times when there's new games that come out that are really popular and there's lots of them. And there's times when you're in sort of a lull, and we had been in that period. Hopefully, things -- I mean we're due for that to turn around at some point.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#21

Yes. Okay. Now what if we think about media delivery and e-commerce The e-commerce obviously went through this major pandemic gyration, it had the spike, you can pull up a stock chart of Shopify and BigCommerce and see that. And then the connected TV providers have had some fits and starts as well. What are you seeing behaviorally from -- I mean, if you can comment on both of this. I think we're just wondering what is the behavior like where you -- if you think across everything, Disney+ and Amazon and HBO and TikTok and even Apple. How does that part of it feel?

Ed McGowan

executive
#22

Yes. So I won't get into individual names, but just sort of at a high level. We'll start with commerce. So with commerce, while we had a boom in traffic for the commerce business during the pandemic, we had a lot of economic challenges. And one of the things I talked about that I think is the differentiator is our relationship with our customers. And we actually work with our customers, restructured a bunch of contracts, and I called all this out on the earnings call, so you can see if you want to go back and look. But we restructured contracts, we extended some payment terms did sort of the right thing by the customer to maintain that relationship. We get out of that, things are good. Customers are buying more security, which is great security business is growing. Now we're in a recession. So that business is going through another challenging environment, just from an economic standpoint, you're starting to see a few bankruptcies pop up and things like that. So that business is always really more tied to the economy than anything else. When a good economy, we tend to do better in e-commerce, bad economy, we tend to do a little bit worse. On the media side, we saw, like I said, a bit of a super cycle. You had 4 major content releases between the major OTT providers. And that just generates an enormous amount of traffic. And then what happens is that you start to see them go into different countries, right? So you start off big launch in the U.S. and Europe, then you go across Asia, across Latin America. So we're seeing some expansion, geographic expansion with the providers. We are starting to see an interesting phenomenon now with a few. We called this out on our last call that a lot of these providers will go with multiple CDNs. Okay? So it's fairly easy to build a load balancer that essentially will sign out users as they come to their site. And it can be as sophisticated as measuring performance to as easy as just round robin or just set a percentage, 10% goes to this one, 50% goes to that one. We're starting to see the number of vendors consolidate, because all of us generally will have volume-tiered pricing. So if you want to get the lowest unit rate, you consolidate volume, you get the lowest unit rate. So we're starting to see a little bit of that, which is a good trend for us because we have the highest performing CDN, we get usually the biggest share in those accounts. So that's a positive trend for us. That's also adding to some of the traffic growth.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#23

When did that start happening Actually, a narrowing of the list of CDN providers.

Ed McGowan

executive
#24

I would say that's been a phenomenon over the last 5 or 6 months.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#25

Interesting. Okay. And so -- and just to be clear on this, so you're not really -- you're not seeing the e-commerce vector pick up right now. You're saying that's economically sensitive...

Ed McGowan

executive
#26

Yes, check it out it's barely that...

Mark Murphy

analyst
#27

It's a little choppier...

Ed McGowan

executive
#28

Yes, it tends to be seasonal. Q4 is our biggest season, obviously. Really what the impact there is more on pricing. So you tend to get more pricing pressure in a downturn than you do when things are good. So that's more of a sort of a pricing dynamic issue. This is generally a slow season for retail, e-commerce type customers. Yes, you get graduations Father's Day, but really the big one is the, end of the year holiday season.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#29

Yes. Okay. How do you feel about the actual network capacity of your global CDN infrastructure. What I mean by that is when we think about this huge growth trend that you have, on over-the-top or what we think of as connected TV types of platforms. In online gaming, right, from a long-term perspective, is it more of an opportunity to grow? Or is it more of a hurdle in terms of -- you may have to -- you have to avoid maybe overloading in your own network during peak periods.

Ed McGowan

executive
#30

Yes. Good question. We've actually changed our posture a little bit. There's 2 things that drive peak. One is a major live event, so a big sporting event think Super Bowl, election, sometimes...

Mark Murphy

analyst
#31

Will be big...

Ed McGowan

executive
#32

World cup. Yes, exactly. And then the other one would be a big software update. So tens of millions of users need a patch for an OS or for OS update or from Microsoft patch. Those -- or game, say, Fortnite, a big update for that. Those tend to drive your biggest peak. So what we've said is we are no longer going to chase the peaks, and we are now saying no to certain things. So it used to be someone comes to me and say, I have the rights to ex Super Bowl, World Cup. I need why in capacity. And I say, I'm not going to chase that. I'll give you what I got. This is all I have, right? And that really is what drives your CapEx. And part of the reason we have changed our posture is we used to grow so fast that the traffic that is, that if I could -- if I spent to build out for, say, a World Cup, within a year, I'd be able to fill that in. Now it's taking me longer. So it's just simple economics, and we're just saying we're no longer going to play that game. If you want to put an update out, maybe it takes you 3 days instead of 1, right, or you go to other providers to find it. So not economical as it was in the past.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#33

But doing that is helping your margins.

Ed McGowan

executive
#34

Absolutely. Absolutely, yes.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#35

Maybe we can talk about the enterprise capabilities that you have we had recently caught up with one of your larger enterprise customers. And so he was saying that his firm's usage of Akamai CDN if you compared it to Cloudflare was something like 10:1 in this case. And I was talking about a key geography. It was a -- it was a big country, where the Akamai CDN one on speed. And then he said, they basically, they win the CDN business, the security piece kind of came along with it, right? So that you had won both of those pieces. So we'll have discussions like that. There is a narrative out there though that competitors can come up and perhaps move up market, and actually compete in the enterprise with you. So how would you respond to that kind of an assertion? And what do you view as Akamai's core differentiation in these enterprises?

Ed McGowan

executive
#36

Yes, it's a good question. It's hard to do. We made the decision early on that we're going to focus on the top of the period at the enterprise customer. And there, the challenges are much greater. The sophistication of the solutions are greater. And it's interesting the need for services is greater. We hear a lot about self-service ability and things like that. And when it comes to security, what's interesting is we always decided we weren't going to go after a small SMB types for the CDN business, the economics just don't work. Churn's too high, dollar volumes are so low, it just didn't really make sense. We didn't think you could make money there. So we focused on the top of the pyramid with security, what we found, and we have some examples of customers who have said, I'm going to go to a cheaper alternative for security and they come back. Let's say you're doing bot management. Most of the traffic today on the Internet is not humans, is machine. And understanding the machines that interact with your site is a pretty challenging endeavor. What do you do with it? You got a price scraping bot. Well, do you want them to scrape the prices? Do you want to show them a different price list? You have a search bot? that's probably good. You might have some -- you may in the airline industry and a bot comes and just reserves all the seats, right? Jacks up the prices in the market. You may have a malicious bot that's doing credential stuffing. It's got a bunch of user names and passwords and just trying to just keep it the site and see if they can get a match and then take that and sell it off to organized crime. Now that's pretty sophisticated stuff. And what we find is our customers say, we want you to manage that, even though you've given us the tools and technology do that, same with web application firewall. The threat landscape changes so fast that keeping your firewall rules updated is a lot of work. And while you have the tools to do it, we find that people want our expertise. So also the other thing, too, is we made investments years ago, you talked about outside the U.S. It's really important to have -- especially if you're selling a big enterprises, the local language, local time support and having people in market to be able to go and see your customers. It's hard to do that. You can do it remotely in the region, but it's hard to do that if you -- you're only U.S.-based. So it is possible that someone can try to compete in that area, competing on price doesn't work necessarily in that world. A lot of it is relationship, a lot of it is about having the trust of your customer. And you don't take as many risks with security. We find very few customers that say, okay, maybe I'll take a risk on the delivery side, but when it's security, it's very, very different.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#37

Yes. The risk reward is different. Can we talk for a moment about your term connected cloud, you've been referring to the platform that way, a continuum of compute from core-to-edge paired with security and CDN. And so you have these edge locations 4,100 plus more than anyone. The security is pretty robust. You're making investments in compute. Can you describe the -- can you describe what the connected cloud means and why are you using that? And I think people probably would like to know, well, how does it how does it kind of differentiate versus what you see coming out of -- the landscape is going to include the hyperscalers, it's going to include Cloudflare and Fastly and others. How do you differentiate it?

Ed McGowan

executive
#38

Yes. So let me start -- well, I'll start with the last part with Cloudflare and Fastly. So at the beginning of the conversation, I talked a bit about what we did with edge computing. It's been around for a long, long time, and it's where you're doing basic functions as a service. So things that augment the delivery experience. That's effectively what those companies are doing. They also have -- I think one of them has an object store. So uptick of object stores, you've got images and files for delivery might be a song or a movie or whatever. But what they don't do is, they don't do -- you can't build your full stack application. They don't have VMs or containers and whatnot, don't have block storage. We're getting into that business now. And if you think about all the major hyperscalers today, the CDN becomes a feature of your cloud business, right? Because if you think about it, you're building your application in a cloud, you probably have it in a data center or 2 and your users are far away from that, so you need to deliver good experience, right? If it has to go connect to that location. So a lot of them offer CDN. As a matter of fact, most of our customers, I'd say, a high percentage of exactly, but I'd be willing to bet it's 80% or 90% use a hyperscaler as their origin. So we're pulling from those origins. So it's a natural extension to have our CDN as part of a cloud offering. Now we are not going to have a full stack compute in 4,000 locations. One of the ways we are going to differentiate though is we are going to build out -- this year, we're adding about 15 core sites. So those are competitive with your AWS, your Microsoft. They won't be as large. You're talking call it, 1- to 5-megawatt type facilities. And we're also going to build out several dozens and upwards just of hundreds of smaller sites that will be more distributed. We won't get to thousands. It won't make sense to do that, economically, but we'll get to hundreds. And you might say, well, okay, why does that matter? Well, it matters for the latency applications. It also matters I was talking to a CEO the other day of a customer of ours, and he was saying, "I've got data localization requirements and there are certain things that I need to run just run in containers, so I've never bought any of the lock in things that you get to say the hyperscalers,but I have requirements that I need to be in said country, and they don't have that offering. So that's another opportunity for us to be able to take business where people have data localization or latency use cases.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#39

So -- okay. So then -- so 15 of these core larger sites and then you think it could end up being a couple of hundred of the...

Ed McGowan

executive
#40

Distributed. Yes. So think of those as more 0.5 megawatt to 1 megawatt in size for things like you might be doing say autonomous driving or you're using, say, sensors to get information on real time and do some processing heavier weight than what I talked about with basic functions on your website, but more lighter weight compute than what you would do on a core side.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#41

And is it -- I mean, should we be thinking of it as basically taking the Linode template and pushing it out into those facilities?

Ed McGowan

executive
#42

Exactly. Yes. We acquired about 11 facilities. We're building another 15, so about 26, give or take, big core sites that you would be analogous to what you'd get at a hyperscaler.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#43

So -- and when you have built this out, this kind of unique differentiated stack, which seems like it's pretty well thought out. What are going to be the best specific use cases or workloads that -- where you would say, okay, we're well suited to this, and it's not outside of our core, and we're going to do it better than these other providers.

Ed McGowan

executive
#44

Yes. So to start off with, media is the most logical right? And we've got a couple of customers. We've got some use cases we've talked about. So think about a social media site that's doing live ingest for uploading content. Well, having that distributed out over a few hundred sites makes a lot of sense. You're going to get better performance, it's cost-effective, et cetera. Anything that if you're using, say, your video delivery site, you're doing encoding, transcoding, content management, all that stuff makes a lot of sense to run in a -- with someone like us. We're going to be cheaper than the hyperscalers. We don't compete with them. A lot of companies have used their own proprietary stuff and they're not locked in. So that's where we're going to be focused, then we're going to be moving to commerce. We're starting to get. We're building up more functionality, capacity and compliance. So as you start to tick off things like PCI compliance, it opens up the market to your commerce customers, your media customers tend to have the lowest requirements from a compliance perspective. So it makes sense that they'll be the first ones. They are also the customers that we have. It's one of our biggest verticals and very trusted relationships with.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#45

Okay. So it's actually going to be a couple of your very largest...

Ed McGowan

executive
#46

That's right. There's a lot of synergy there.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#47

Super applicable to this, okay.

Ed McGowan

executive
#48

And to start, we're actually going to be our first biggest customer, right? I've talked on our calls that we're spending over $100 million with the hyperscalers we're bringing all of that in-house over the next 1.5 years. So we are going to be our biggest customer. And then the use cases there are range from security to running IT applications to you name it.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#49

Yes. And you could price it at a discount to yourself.

Ed McGowan

executive
#50

Oh, it is so much cheaper. Absolutely. I mean we're going to save a fortune. It is amazing the margins in the space.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#51

Where do you optimally want to sit? When you think about this connected cloud and you think about this build-out that you're getting into. There's a continuum, right, where on one end of it, you want to serve the kind of the world's largest websites and apps and games and over-the-top providers. And then on the other end of the scale, there's this really longer tail of smaller entities. And we know you've kind of sat on the one side of that much more historically. But is there interest in trying to expand maybe more of a self-serve motion and try to pursue the longer tail? Or is it not economically [indiscernible] calories?

Ed McGowan

executive
#52

Great question. And part of the Linode acquisition was to, one, pick up the capabilities that we need. And one of the things that, that's a little bit different than the CDN market is you need to be very developer-friendly. So you need to make it easy, simple to use. You could literally fall into a virtual machine in a matter of minutes if you go to the Linode site, very simple to do. That's not something that was core to Akamai, right? We're solving big challenging problems with really sophisticated solutions. So we needed to get that expertise. So we picked up that expertise. And what was amazing is they had a business that was about $100 million of accretive immediately, and it was profitable. While that won't be a primary focus, what happens when we're in the space and we're getting a bigger presence, advertising, all that stuff, you're going to get a drag along in that business. We're also adding a lot of features and functionality that accrete to that smaller SMB business as well. So while that's not a primary focus, that's a nice growing business. It's very profitable for us. It's very low touch. It's -- we've got a ton of synergy with our core network with our buying power, co-location costs are very low. We've got one of the largest backbone. So one of the big pain points that people have is with egress fees. We're going to be extremely cheap, if not free from an egress perspective. So -- and it doesn't cost us anything because we're running a CDN with hundreds of terabytes worth of traffic running across it, and the type of traffic that comes off the cloud is much smaller. So it's almost like a rounding error for us.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#53

Cheap, if not free from an egress perspective.

Ed McGowan

executive
#54

Yes.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#55

Okay. So in the time remaining, we've got a few minutes left. Maybe we can try to talk about what you're doing, like if we double-click on the compute piece of it. really significant investments in compute. And clearly, the long-term opportunity is there. The -- when we think about compute at the -- for most people in the audience, they would look at compute right now, and they would say, they'll think of the hyperscalers. And they'll say, Well, hyperscalers are undergoing this tremendous deceleration right now in their revenue growth. Customers are slowing the investments. And the cloud workloads is they're really optimizing them, right? They're really trying to crank it all down and get it all efficient. And it's just a world of deceleration. Can you talk us through that opportunity, and why are you looking at this and saying, well, now is the time to invest in that despite that current environment?

Ed McGowan

executive
#56

Yes. Well, I mean you just described the opportunity. We're hearing from all of our customers, this is their #1 pain point. It's the fastest-growing cost on their -- in their business. We have that same issue, where we said we have to go solve this and we decide to solve it ourselves and create a business out of it. We've got a huge backlog of customers that are saying, we want to move applications do you want to use you multi-cloud. There's customers that are coming to us for that distributed use case. And if you think about just the sheer size of that market, you're talking hundreds of billions of dollars still growing at 20%, 30%. We think we can carve out a niche in that market. We're not going to be the next AWS, but we think we can carve out a nice business there, generate several billions of dollars over the next couple of years at a very impressive profit. So we're going to disrupt some of that market. Are we going to be a major thorn in the side of these guys? No. If we double the size of the company, it's only $3-plus billion. That's a rounding error to these guys, but yet we have customers telling us that they want us to be in this space. They've been asking us. We've actually done a few things that were a little bit custom, it's an interesting use case where we helped out a big software company with something that they needed to run in hundreds of our locations. We said we need to make this a more scalable business for us. We see the demand. We have our own demand. We think we can do this very profitably, so we're going to give it a go.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#57

And I'm sorry, what did you -- did you say you think you can get it to a couple of billion in the next several years or...

Ed McGowan

executive
#58

Yes, next few years, we should. Yes, that would be the goal.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#59

Okay. And how commonly are you hearing that feedback from companies that are saying, our bill is just too high on AWS, Azure, Google, somewhere else, or having them come to you and saying, we feel kind of locked in here? We're not comfortable with the relationship.

Ed McGowan

executive
#60

Yes. So one of the things we hear commonly is if you have data that moves around a lot on the hyperscalers, you're paying enormous egress fees. Egress is just the data coming out and moving around. So our value proposition is that cost goes away if you come to us. So that's one of the big pain points, especially with anyone who has data that's moving around, and there's a lot of companies that have that. You also have the customer that will come to us and say, Hey, I just lost the rights to XYZ sporting event that I've had for 20, 30 years, guess, who I lost it too, one of those guys. I'm sick of funding them. I'd rather go with someone else.They're directly competitive, we're not competitive. So there's a niche here that could be a very attractive business for us. Obviously, there's a lot of execution between here and the promised land. But we're going in with a very informed decision. We're not big risk takers. This is some -- Tom and I have been working together. He's a CEO for over 20 years. We don't take giant risks that are not informed. We think, one, we're going to be customer one that's saving us a ton of money, and we're going to do there's a lot of learnings that go along with this, and we're going to bring customers along with us for the journey.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#61

It's an informed view and an educated bet. So I think that's a great note to end on, and we're right at the end of the allotted time. So Ed, again, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to be with us.

Ed McGowan

executive
#62

Well thank you, Mark. Really appreciate it.

Mark Murphy

analyst
#63

Thank you.

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