Alarm.com Holdings, Inc. (ALRM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 11, 2020

NASDAQ US Information Technology Software conference_presentation 34 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Brian Essex

analyst
#1

Thank you, everyone, for joining us. My name is Brian Essex. I'm Goldman Sachs' security software analyst. With me today I have Steve Valenzuela, who is the CFO for Alarm.com. So thank you for joining us. I do want to say a couple of things upfront. So one is that we are in a quiet period. So we can't really discuss fundamentals and forward-looking...

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#2

Financials like that...

Brian Essex

analyst
#3

Financials and stuff like that.

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#4

Yes.

Brian Essex

analyst
#5

So we're going to be respectful of that. And also because of that, we won't do Q&A from the audience. So hit them up afterwards. And it's very bothering when he steps off stage, but that way we're not responsible for those conversations. So Steve, thank you for joining us.

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#6

Great to be here. Thanks, Brian.

Brian Essex

analyst
#7

Maybe a great place to start off because it's a little bit of a different business model and a bit of a history behind how the company was founded. So -- perhaps, if you can give a little bit of background of the idea behind the company? And how it was founded? And how you've gotten to where you are today will be pretty helpful as a little bit of context?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#8

That's great. Yes. It's actually a very interesting story of how Alarm.com was started. Some of you may have heard the story. But before I get there, Alarm.com is a lot more than just an alarm system. It's actually an interactive system. It's actually the operating system for the smart home. And if you look at the way we go to market, it's actually very unique, as Brian talked about. We actually go-to-market through over 8,000 service providers that are independent businesses that really provide security solutions, and that's expanding with the event of the IoT, with all of the smart devices that are out there. And so when you think of Alarm.com, and you'll see, as we talk about today, it's a very broad offering, a lot of verticals, horizontals as well. There's a lot of capability. But let me talk a little bit about how Alarm.com was started. And as I said, it's -- I think it's a very interesting story. So Steve Trundle was the CEO -- CTO of MicroStrategy, and he was actually getting an alarm system installed, and he was asking the alarm installer, "What happens if somebody cuts this wire?" Well, the guy says, you have no alarm system. So Steve, being a technologist, realized that there's a lot of potential here to come up with a system that is a lot more robust but also, being a technologist, realized that the alarm system has a lot of value even when there isn't an alarm or when there isn't an active state occurring, right? So there's a lot of potential of being able to interact with your alarm system. So at MicroStrategy, Steve actually incubated Alarm.com, that was around 2001, and really built the team within MicroStrategy. And turned out that MicroStrategy had bought all these dotcoms in the late '90s, and Alarm.com was one of the dotcoms. So to kind of make a long story short, from 2001 to 2009, Steve and a team incubated, within MicroStrategy, Alarm.com. The company saw good growth. Around 2009, Alarm.com was spun out with ABS Capital to be a private company, out of MicroStrategy. Around 2010, then Alarm.com started signing up all these dealers. And it really took a number of years to really get all the dealers signed up. It was around from 2012 to 2014, we went from -- we got to about 1 million subscribers, and then we got to about 2 million subscribers. Today, we have over 6 million subscribers, and that's all a result of having all these dealers out there that are actually selling core dotcom. What happened as well is around 2010 -- 2008, Apple came out with the interactive iPhone and Alarm.com was one of the first apps on the App Store. So that was pretty interesting. And when you think about what Alarm.com does is we take a security system, the plain old security system that you go home and you punch in your control pad, we made an interactive security system. So meaning that you can actually use your smart device, so it kind of all coincided with the smart -- evolution of the smart device, the smartphone, your iPad, to be able to interact with your alarm system. So even when your alarm system isn't active, you can see what's happening in your property, you can see what's happening around your home, you can see and monitor when your kids are coming home from school. There's a lot more capability beyond just the alarm system itself. So that's kind of the evolution of Alarm.com. A lot of innovations along the way. One of the innovations was converting the system, as I talked about, from a landline system to a cellular-based system. And in fact, we invented the radio module, which actually goes into the control panel. So when you look at a typical security system, you have a control panel, typically it's in your faucet. And in the old days, it was all hooked up to a landline. Today, because of Alarm.com, it's hooked up to a cellular connection. So if the landline goes down and the cellular goes down, there are backup as well. So it makes the alarm system very robust for the end subscriber.

Brian Essex

analyst
#9

That's really helpful. And maybe we can think about the business model from a reporting segment perspective. Your SaaS and license revenue in 1 bucket and your hardware in another bucket. What is the go-to-market strategy? And how much of the company is software versus hardware? How do you anticipate that will trend going forward?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#10

So if you look at the -- if you look at our profile, about 70% is SaaS recurring revenue. The other is hardware. We really use hardware as an enabler to drive SaaS. SaaS, our margin is about 85%. Hardware, typically the gross margin is 18% to 20%. And over the last year or 2, what's really been driving hardware has been video. We came out with video analytics about a year ago, which really makes the video systems a lot more smart, and that's really driven a big uptick in hardware sales, mainly driven by video cameras and video doorbell. And so when you look at our financials, we have Alarm.com segment, as you talked about, we have the Other segment. And in fact, within the Other segment, it expands the Alarm.com's solution to unattended access, vacation rental property management. One of our businesses we have in the Other segment is called PointCentral. And what they do is they actually offer the system to property managers, to rental properties. Invitation Homes is one of our big customers there. They have like 70,000 rental properties, and they use our solution for unattended showings. So if you have a rental property, you can actually provide electronic key for the potential tenant. You have a security camera there. You have a Smart Thermostat to manage it. So again, it's a solution that doesn't necessarily tie into the security system. It's kind of a stand-alone unattended access solution. And then also within the Other segment, we have EnergyHub, which has actually been doing very well, provides a demand response system for utility companies. So what they do is they provide for the utility companies -- offer to their subscribers the ability to manage their energy usage. And what happens for utilities is if utilities have to go out and buy some energy out of the open market, it's very expensive. So it's a win-win for the utility and the consumer, the end subscriber. What the utility does is typically will subsidize a Smart Thermostat for the end homeowner and the homeowner agrees to allow the utilities to adjust their temperature, that might just be 1 or 2 degrees, but across millions of properties, that makes a big difference for the utility. EnergyHub charges the utility a per subscriber fee for that service. And so that's been doing very well. We've been signing up a lot of utilities for EnergyHub. And when you look at the overall Alarm.com revenue profile, about 6.5% to 7% of our revenue comes from the Other segment, but it's been growing at about 50%. So it's been generating nice growth.

Brian Essex

analyst
#11

And maybe we can drill into that a little bit because I think it's really interesting, like particularly initially, kind of the distribution model that you have. So what are the unit economics to Alarm.com versus the installers that you have, the distributors? And what is the value proposition, I guess, for the consumer or the business? Or -- like how does that revenue model flow back to economics for Alarm.com as well as the distributor and the value proposition for the end user?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#12

In fact, we call -- it's not really a distributor, we call them service providers or independent dealers. So the way the economics work is -- and there's residential and then there's commercial. So it's a little bit different. Let me start with the residential. Let me step back a little bit and talk about kind of the market overall. So North America, there's about 120 million homes and about 24 million to 25 million of those homes have professionally installed security systems. About 8 million of them have interactive security, and all of our solution is interactive, meaning that you can interact with your security system outside of the home with your smart device. A year ago -- we typically announce once a year the number of subscribers we have. A year ago, we had about 6 million, now it is 8 million subscribers. And so the way we go to market really is through these dealers. We have over 8,000 dealers. And the way the economics work is that we actually charge the dealer on a monthly subscription fee based upon the actual end subscribers set up and solutions. So the average ARPU that we charge a dealer for the subscriber is in the mid to upper $5 range. The dealer typically charges the homeowner anywhere from $45 to $55 per month, depending upon the solution. And what's happened over the last couple of years is that we've added more features. And if you look at what Alarm.com does, what we focus on and why our ecosystem is so valuable is we're able to focus on the technology, to continue to provide better technology for our dealers so that they're really leading the market and providing better solutions for the end subscriber. So whereas we charge the dealer mid-$5 range for the ARPU for residential and the dealer then is focused on customer acquisition. They're focused on marketing and selling, installing, servicing to the end subscriber. Now a lot of people will realize that the dealer is also using Alarm.com's software to operate their back end. So we have a cloud-based solution. So the data, the actual operating software is hosted by Alarm.com in our data centers, but also a lot of the back end dealer portal, what we call the dealer portal, is also hosted and managed by Alarm.com for the dealer. So there's a lot of stickiness and a lot of value-add that we provide the end dealer to be able to operate their system, to be able to see what kind of configuration the end subscriber has, to set up the end subscriber. And so what we do is we focus on adding new technology, new features. So for example, 1.5 years ago or a little bit less than 1.5 years ago, we came with video -- we came out with video analytics. What video analytics does, it makes the system a lot smarter. So if you, as a subscriber, have video cameras, you're getting a lot of alerts. But if you have video analytics, you can make your system much smarter, send you smart alerts. And so in many cases, it reduces the number of alerts from 30 to 7 alerts per day, and the system can detect people, animals and vehicles. You could set it up. One of my favorite use cases is setting it up to detect there's a deer in your backyard, and you can have the system turn on your sprinkler systems and your light, or you can set it up to tell you that your spouse came home at the time you're expecting. Because, again, the whole idea here is to make the system, first of all, very secure, but also make it very value add. So even when there isn't an alarm, which is most of the time there's not an alarm, there's a lot of value-add that you're getting out of the system to be able to detect what's happening in your property, what's happening around your property, to be able to be aware that you have your glass door open, to alert you to turn out -- to close your glass door, to see what's happening with -- around your neighborhood. So there's just a lot of value-added information there. And when you look at our financials and look at how, again, we focus, we spend a majority of our revenue in R&D, so about 23% or 24% of our revenues on R&D. But from a unit economics point of view, from the sales and marketing, we spend about 12% to 13% of revenue on sales and marketing because we're really focused on providing the best technology for our dealers who then can really go to market with the best solution, and then they're focused on really signing up subscribers. But one way I look at our unit economics is looking at -- if you look at the amount of sales and marketing we did prior year to how much additional SaaS we generate in the following year, that kind of give you an idea of the payback. And typically, that's been about 12 to 15 months payback, which is pretty favorable for SaaS economics. And then when you look at the retention rate, so our dollar retention rate has increased to about 94%, which is very good. So what that means from an LTV to CAC ratio is when we've looked at our LTV to CAC ratio, given the lifetime value of a subscriber and typical lifetime for 8 to 10 years, is usually when a subscriber signs up, they've moved into a home and they have -- or they have a home, we typically aren't moving, and so usually they sign up for a 3- to 5-year contract, many of them renew. And so the average lifetime again is 8 to 10 years. What that does for LTV to CAC ratio, it gives us a ratio that's quite high of around 4.5x to 5.5x LTV to CAC. So it's a very favorable unit economics given the relationship and the unique ecosystem we have with our dealers.

Brian Essex

analyst
#13

Right. And see -- you mentioned like how much you're spending on sales and marketing versus R&D, obviously, a very R&D heavy right spending profile. On the sales and marketing side, what are you spending on for sales and marketing? And whether it's commercial or residential, how do you drive traffic to customer acquisition for Alarm.com as opposed to maybe some of the peers? So from a dealer perspective, what are they doing to drive Alarm.com subscribers on to the platform?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#14

Right, right. So the way we really focus -- this relationship, the ecosystem with the dealers is that we do some awareness of the professional installed market. So we'll do radio advertisements, but many of you probably haven't seen any TV advertisements of Alarm.com because we really don't do a lot of advertising in Alarm.com. We really rely on our dealers to do the advertising. Because, again, we're focused on the technology, providing them the best solution, hosting the best software for them to be able to sell to the end subscriber. And because of the fact that we've, over the years, have signed up a good portion of the dealers out there. We have about, again, 8,000 out of around the 15,000 in North America dealers. So we really rely upon the dealers to do the end subscriber acquisition, to do the marketing. And we have a broad range of dealers anywhere from very large dealers to very small dealers. And so they're typically going to market in their local area, either sponsoring baseball teams or doing marketing on TV. And a lot of times, they're going to market and advertising based upon their company name, not Alarm.com. So in many cases, we're kind of the intel inside, if you will. So you may not even realize that -- the subscriber may not realize that it's Alarm.com. So that's how the ecosystem works really well. And the reason they work so well is because we can focus on what we do well, which is R&D and technology, and the dealer can really focus on customer acquisition and not have to worry about all the technology, all the system capabilities that we provide, which is pretty extensive. And again, we host the data, we host the solution. And so the dealer can really focus on their value add.

Brian Essex

analyst
#15

Got it. And maybe could you tell us what the barriers to accelerated or decelerating growth are? What are the primary factors that have driven because you have pretty robust growth and pretty healthy margins relative to other SaaS vendors? But what do you use as levers to kind of accelerate either growth or profitability depending on whichever one you're focused on?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#16

Right. So what we've done is, again, enabled our dealers to have additional features. So when we come out with, like, for example, video analytics, we actually charge the dealers about $0.80 to $1 more per month per subscriber. The dealer turns around and can charge a few dollars more to the end subscriber. So what we've done is added more features. So if you look at the evolution of the alarm system, when we initially came out with the interactive system, the ARPU is more around the $3 range. And now it's closer to around the mid-$5 range. The way we've increased that, that's been over many years, is by adding more capabilities. So we added the integrations with third-party devices like your glass door open or your front door, your door locks. We added the Smart Thermostat. And again, in the last 1.5 years, the video has really taken off. If you look at our hardware revenue, over 60% of hardware revenue is really the video cameras. And the beautiful thing about video is it does a couple of things for us and our dealer. It actually increases the ARPU. So if you get -- if you have a system today, interact the system of Alarm.com, no video, you're probably paying in the low $5 -- we're probably charging your dealer in the low $5 range, and the dealer is probably charging you $35 to $40. When you add video, depending upon how many cameras you have, we're going to charge the dealer closer to $6 per month and that dealer is going to charge you closer to $45 per month. And then you add on top of that, video analytics, the Smart Thermostat, all the third-party integrations, it increases that to, in some cases, the ARPU recharge for the dealer will be in the $7 to $8 per month for residential. And for commercial, it starts at around $10. Commercial typically has a higher ARPU because there are different features to it. And so the way we've been able to grow is by, over time, adding more features for residential so our dealers can also benefit from that. We also increased our -- actually added Alarm.com for business about 2 years ago, which expanded us into commercial and that was mainly targeted to SMB, which we think is a very large opportunity. Today, there's about 4 million properties in North America. And then for SMB, for small businesses, over 50% of them actually have a security system. Most of those are the plain old landline-based systems because their insurance company requires it. So we think there's a large opportunity just like we did for residential to upgrade commercial businesses to interact a solution. And then with international, we've expanded international as well. International, I think, last time we reported, it's about 2% of revenue, but it's growing about 50% per year because we've expanded into different geographies. And in fact, today, we're in about 40 different countries, right? So that's how we've been able to grow. And part of the philosophy all along with our growth is when we're looking at investments, we're looking at investments that actually have a payback. So that's one of the reasons why we're a unique SaaS company that's also, I think, quite profitable. So -- and that's kind of the discipline that Steve Trundle really instilled in the company from early on to make sure that when we're making investments, we're making them not just for the top line for growth, but we're also making those investments to return, maybe not initially but we want to make sure that, that investment is going to return a profit back to the company. So that's why we've been profitable, both on a GAAP and non-GAAP basis for many years.

Brian Essex

analyst
#17

Got it. And so if we take a step back and just look at the profile of your revenue and your market, how much is your standard residential? And then you've expanded to include utilities with smart meters, you've expanded into commercial. There are rental properties as well. You have interactive and rental and maybe vacation homes. How do we think about the standard TAM? And then what percentage of your revenue are these different markets that you're expanding into?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#18

Right. Yes. It's actually quite broad. So it's kind of hard to put your finger on the total TAM because it definitely continues to expand. And we just acquired OpenEye, which expands us into the commercial enterprise segment, which expands the opportunity within commercial by another $4 billion opportunity. But I guess the way to look at this, and there are some slides in the investor deck that's on our website, it shows that the CAGR for security systems over the next 5 years is growing 18% to 20%, and it's around $11 billion to $12 billion of potential. So there's a number of ways of looking at it. International, we know, is fairly low penetrated in terms of interactive solutions. So we think there's a lot of opportunity there. Commercial, again, as I talked about, there's 4 million properties that are mainly small businesses where Alarm.com business is targeted. And then there's OpenEye, which expands us into the enterprise segment where there's a $4 billion opportunity. And what they're doing is they're actually disrupting an existing market, which was mainly on-premises software and their market is targeted at customers -- their current customers, for example, are like Bed Bath & Beyond, Whataburger, Gonzaga University and a number of other enterprises. And so the way they go to market is through over 350 integrators that actually sell large solutions -- large security solutions to multi-locations, in some cases hundreds, if not thousands of locations. So we think that really expands our market. But if you had to look at kind of our total TAM, it's going to be certainly north of $10 billion potential.

Brian Essex

analyst
#19

And then if you had to rank order, so outside of residential, I mean, international, obviously, growing very quickly. How do you rank order those other kind of adjacent markets which are contributing to the incremental growth from this point forward?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#20

Yes. I like that question because it's kind of like which of your kids you like the best. I like them all. There are really good opportunities. The international is really a very good opportunity. We've been investing in international for 4 or 5 years now. And as a matter of fact, on the Q3 conference call in November, Steve Trundle talked about how -- based upon the progress we saw in 2019, we really think international is at the stage where we're going to see accelerated growth. We've signed up a number of dealers. We've expanded in some geographies. And it took a number of years to really get going in international because each country has different standards for hardware, and then there's also different cellular carriers. Because our system is cellular based, we have to make sure that we have the relationship with the carriers. So we think international is a very good opportunity. We think commercial, based upon the success we saw with Alarm.com for business and acquiring now OpenEye, we think there's a lot of opportunity for commercial. We think there's a lot of opportunity for EnergyHub with demand response. They've really become the standard within utilities for residential demand response. And what's interesting about EnergyHub, which is in our Other segment, with electric cars, when you put in an electric like charger in your home, and it's equivalent to like a whole block of homes and demand on the grid. And so typically people come home and they plug in their electric car and there goes the demand on the grid. What EnergyHub does, it allows the utility to be able to meter that. So you, as a homeowner, don't even know it, but your utility, if you're part of the demand response system through EnergyHub Alarm.com, the utility is actually delaying or slow charging that up until like a later time like after midnight and then it accelerates the charge. So it reduces the demand on the grid. So we think, if in fact, over the next -- this decade, in theory, is supposed to be the decade of electric vehicle, we think that's going to cause -- contribute to a lot of demand for EnergyHub, if you will, no pun intended. But -- and then you get into vacation rental property management within our Other segment, and all of these really kind of leverage off of the Alarm.com technology. So it's not like it's necessarily separate technology. So the vacation rental property management, Invitation Homes being one of our large customers there, it's using the security system features that, for example, the cameras, the thermostat that we make, the software that we provide for providing electronic ease to open up and lock you front door, so that's all leveraging that technology. And one other new area where we think is a good opportunity is under water meters and water sensors. So at CES in January, we announced our Smart Water Valve+Meter. And what that does is it actually allows the homeowner to be able to have a system in place where if there is a leak or if there's a frozen pipe or if there's even a slow leak, it will send you an alert. And in cases of emergency where there is a water pipe break, it will actually shut off your water main. So we think that's a very interesting opportunity because if you look at the insurance claims in terms of damage, water is about 10x the cost compared to fire. So that actually works well with the Alarm.com system. So if you have an Alarm.com system, you'll have alerts that there's a water leak and you'll have an alert if, in fact, there's an emergency. So we're, let's say -- and it will be smart enough to know that you're not home. So let's say, if you are home and if the system detects you are home, it may not shut off your water valve. It will send you an alert. But if it's system knows you're not home, it will shut off the water main on your system. And that's pretty innovative. But what's really innovative too is, a lot of people don't realize the amount of water leakage out of your bathrooms when it's not completely sealed, is pretty high. And in California, I know the water costs are pretty expensive. So this system will be able to tell you that there's a slow leak occurring and so you can have that addressed. About 60% of homes actually lose a lot of water that they don't even realize it through their bathrooms.

Brian Essex

analyst
#21

Interesting. Maybe if we can talk a little bit about competition. How do you view -- who are your primary competitors? I mean you can think of a variety of companies that may compete, whether it's Verint or an ADT or depending on whatever market you're in. And how do people think about you from a competitive standpoint? Part B of that question is, are most of your -- is most of your incremental revenue greenfield opportunities as opposed to competitive displacement?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#22

Yes. So you mentioned one, ADT. ADT is actually a customer of ours. So our competitors really would be Honeywell, which has now spun out Resideo. And then Comcast is a competitor as well. Because again, what we do is we sell-through the dealers and the dealers then are selling to the end subscriber, either commercial or for residential. So what we've done over the years is really expanded our dealer base and really taken away from, if you will, from the Honeywells of the world to sign up these dealers. And so because we're B2B2C, we don't really compete with the, if you will, the DIY providers out there or the individual security subscribers out there -- the dealers out there. We're really signing up these dealers that are coming from like a Honeywell or a Comcast, for example, or internationally, there's Verisure, who is a dealer in Europe that would be a competitor. And that's an area where we've been expanding within Europe.

Brian Essex

analyst
#23

Right. And are those dealers exclusive to you? Or do they sell a number of different products? And what do those price points look like for Alarm.com versus like a Honeywell?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#24

Right. So the dealers are not exclusive to us, and we're not exclusive to them except with ADT because of the relationship we have with ADT for professional install as a result of an acquisition we did in 2007 of a business called Connect out of Icontrol. But over 8,000 dealers, they are -- some of them do, in fact, though, some of them still have legacy Honeywell accounts, whether servicing. But typically, what occurs is that they're actually usually standardizing on one solution. Because if you think about, they have to train their technicians. They have to have -- they have to operate and understand all the different technologies. And so usually what we see is dealers over time, as we sign up new dealers, they may have some legacy accounts that they will then convert over to Alarm.com because it's a lot more efficient for their technicians to standardize on one solution, which really makes the dealer base very sticky to us. And in fact, because of the technology, the -- and the technology is not getting any easier. All this IoT, people think it's getting -- the smart home and the Smart Property is getting easier, it's actually becoming more complex. So the technicians of the dealers really have to be trained. And for them to be able to be trained in multiple systems, it's actually very hard.

Brian Essex

analyst
#25

Right. You mentioned IoT. So maybe a question there. Like how do you see everything playing out from a software versus hardware perspective? How reliant are you on Alarm.com specific hardware? How much do you envision interoperability with other hardware such as like Nest or Arlo or other solutions? And then what impact, longer term, do you think that has on your business model for software versus hardware [indiscernible]?

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#26

Yes, we definitely are very focused on the recurring SaaS revenue. So -- but we do integrate, like, for example, with the Nest thermostat. We have our own thermostat, we think it's better, but Nest has done a good job with the thermostat. But when it comes to video cameras and video doorbells, we do think that it's important that they're part of our ecosystem, that they're provided by Alarm.com because of the video analytics, because of the strategic nature of video. It's not to say that the camera itself is unique in that perspective other than the fact that we have a chip that's built into the cameras that enables video analytics. And we think we're just at the beginning stages of what the capabilities will be available for video analytics. So today, again, you can detect vehicle, animals and people. In the future, we'll be able to tell that someone went into a swimming pool, we'll be able to do line counting for commercial, A/B testing for commercial businesses, there's a lot -- there's so many capabilities for video analytics. But it's hard to say in the future what will happen. Again, we really see hardware as an enabler to drive staff. So when you think about, we invented the radio module, which made the systems cellular based. Today, we license those modules to the control panel manufacturers so we don't necessarily have to sell that. So we evolved over time so we don't have to sell that piece of hardware. So we still will continue to be focused on SaaS and continue to have the majority of our revenue SaaS given the margin profile. But there will be hardware components that we think that are important that really ultimately provide a lot of value-add that we need to have within our ecosystem. Because if you think of video analytics, you have to build this neural network, which you can't really, today, at least, you can't really leverage other people's network. So we build that with all millions and millions of feeds of -- to be able to detect different objects and people and be able to -- to be able to do that, you need to have a pretty much close system today.

Brian Essex

analyst
#27

Got it. With that, I think we're about out of time. So thank you very much for joining us today. Really appreciate it.

Steve Valenzuela

executive
#28

Thanks, Brian. Thanks for having us.

Brian Essex

analyst
#29

Thank you very much for joining as well.

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